Speaking of Qui-Gon, I think an interesting matchup for him would be against Valenthyne Farfalla. I personally think they're relatively on-par with one another, and thematically, it's amazing. The last Jedi to fight the Sith before they went into hiding pitted against the first Jedi to fight the Sith following their reemergence. Congratulations on the 10 year anniversary!
Qui Gon is definitely an underrated fighter but it's hard to see how he wins this one. On a technique front Vader's relentless Djem style is more advanced then Qui Gon's retooled Ataru. On a physical front while Jinn is above average in hight and strength again Vader exceeds him. On top of that Vader has a near limitless amount of stamina which was one of the primary reasons behind Jinn's loss to Maul on Naboo and was blatantly evident after their skirmish on Tatooine. With the Force Jinn has been known to be powerful but painfully hesitant to use it in a fight whereas Vader is not only stronger but holds no such compunctions. I do not see how Jinn can win this.
Yeah, pretty much this. Jinn's legacy as a Jedi has almost nothing to do with using the Force, and everything to do with his philosophy and impact on those around him. While Vadar might not be as naturally quick and agile as Maul, he balances this out with raw power (both physical and Force), and is far more willing to mix in his Force powers when fighting. Unless Jinn forsaw his own death and allowed it to happen, PM Jinn would get battered aside.
I mean... there are multiple sources blatantly proclaiming PT Force users as superior to OT Force users, both in terms of power in the Force and skill with the lightsaber. Personally, I think the only way Vader can win this is by going full Soresu mode and capitalizing on his superior stamina and durability.
@@mc_rysiek5277 I really have no idea how you came to this conclusion. Even by _only_ going by the films, Vader is a relentless killing machine who only lost to Luke because he was hesitant to kill his own son. Jinn was in a battle with Maul twice, and both times he essentially avoided using the Force and suffered massively from stamina issues.
@@morlath4767 What conclusion? That Vader can win via attrition? I doubt I have to explain why Vader has better stamina than Qui-Gon. Are you going to pretend that Vader was the only one holding back in that fight? It's not like Luke disengaged and turned his lightsaber of on at least three separate ocassions... Speaking of Maul, you realize that Maul's doppleganger decisively outfought Vader, right? If I am being honest, Qui-Gon performed better than Vader against Maul.
First of all, I wanted to say thank you Jensaarai, for being the most thorough and professional Legends Versus RUclipsr. Your projects are always insanely well prepared and researched, which makes them a pleasure to watch and re-watch as well(I've seen Count Dooku vs Galen Marek like a hundred times and Darth Traya vs Inquisitor Jerec probably even more). Secondly, I wanted to propose a match-up, The Valiant Knights, Antares Draco versus Lucien Dray. The presence of the first one would be a good addition to the roster of characters from the Legacy period, one that does not fall into the ranks of the Sith. Lucien would be a bridge to your old Lucien Dray versus Galen Marek video, a connection for the old school fans. Both men had similar themes of darkness combined with loyatly and a saving female figure, both started as something and gradually became something very different, their final fates a fitting commentary about the fickle nature of Fate. Their styles and approaches as well as motivations have a pattern of strong similarities and stark differences. An interesting fight me thinks, in terms of the technicalities of the duel, the approach to fencing and fighting in general has changed so much between their respective periods - it will be exciting to see them contrast. Thank you.
Have you considered using Roan Shryne in a vs? I personally think he'd be a good match for Qui Gon. Both are tier 3 in my opinion and are veery unusual Jedi for the time period. I also personally believe him to be a Niman practioner, but unlike Cin Drallig his version is much more practical for the battlefield similar to how Qui Gon's modified Ataru is more practical than standard Ataru. Roan's odd relationship with the Force is also an interesting foil to Qui Gon's reverence for it. Just an interesting matchup and I feel like th vs community is really sleeping on Roan. Dude made Vader resort to his Force abilities and while he wasn't Vader's equal as a duelist, he was definitely fair competition which is more than we can say for most Jedi or Sith
Can't believe it's been 10 years since you started this series, that felt like eons ago. So much has changed about RUclips and the world at large, even my personal life. Considering you're one of the last channels standing out of that glut of Star Wars Versus series that arrived just prior to the House of Mouse takeover and pillaging of Legends canon, you must be doing something right =) As for this battle: I think the original vid had the right verdict and I have no intention of arguing otherwise. Vader 10/10 on even ground, all day long. That said, I look forward to your reappraisal/remastering of this matchup and if there's any new observations that can be gleaned from further analysis.
Qui Gon Jin has a a very particular set of skills, Skills that he has acquired over a very long career. Skills that make him a nightmare. For people Like Vader.
Alright I'm coming in with my analysis for the original video. Here I go... The original versus video of Qui Gon Jinn Vs Darth Vader is certainly not the most legendary in terms of editing and analysis but it is certainly legendary for opening the gateway to such matches. While I personally do feel the match is a tad one sided I do feel there are some interesting similarties in regards to their lightsaber dueling methods. Both Jinn and Vader reworked the techniques of their original styles (Djem So and Ataru respectively) to better compensate with their evolving situations (Jinn's waining stamina, Vader's complete cybernetic overhaul) Both were also muscle tanks that while capable of acrobatics never really employed them unless nessecary and instead operating as barbaric power duelists. Although never actually confirmed before I personally have theorized that Jinn did add elements of both Makashi and Djem So into his Ataru form (The blade binding/dynamic saber thrusts of Makashi and Djem So to enhance the powerbased fighting of Jinn's overall method. Interestingly this parralells Vader's own fighting style where he uses Djem So and Makashi as his primary forms and Ataru more as a backbone for implimented physical combat and occasional although rare acrobatics among the rest of the seven forms.
Congrats on your 10 year anniversary Jensaarai1! I dont remember the new first video of yours I watched that got me excited and into your channel. I think it was Teneb Kell vs Nadar? And that was 6 years ago. its always fun to do remakes of old videos. But I feel Vader still dominates Jinn. Jinn isnt strong enough either physically or the force to overpower Vader. Though Im sure there is some psychological fuel Jinn could use to pull a win ala episode 6 Luke? 0:48 Holy crap Im touched. My essay comments are basically me ranting every little random thought that comes to mind. And Darth Wredd vs Exal Kresh is 4 years old? I feel old. Btw, I stand by that original post. Darth Wredd is an edgelord.
How do you think Cal Kestis vs Teneb Kel would go? Force adepts whose training were cut short due to certain circumstances, with gaps left in due to their potential being largely untapped
@@lapplandkun9273 idk probably Cal. His weapon and style feels like a more developed Teneb Kel. But I think Kel has a greater variety of force abilities (mainly lightning). Unsure but leaning Cal.
Thank you Jensaarai1 for the heart! Always appreciate it. And again, thank you for mentioning me in your video. After a couple of years, I once again will recommend Coleman Trebor vs Grandmaster Zym as a joke matchup. And on a serious matchup, Kar Vastor vs Lord Nyax.
Darth Vader would be my first guess to who wins, but as I have not looked properly into it, I can not say. But since it is your 10th anniversary for your VS videos, perhaps you in the coming time (even if you begin working on them during the next year would count in my book) could bring back some charaters you have used in the past but have not used in a while like K'Kruhk, Tholme, Kit Fisto or Satele Shan (just to name a few) and introduce a few new charaters like T'ra Saa, Yaddle or Darth Stryfe. It would also be nice to see the return of your more different ligthsabers video with the like of Corran Horn, Ki-Adi Mundi or Kazdan Paratus (like you did with Darth Vader, Count Dooku, Darth Bane, Exar Kun). Looking forward to the celebration video, will Certainly be interesting.
Heh, a post-mortem of your first versus. Cheers to another 10 years, Connor ! Personally, I had an idea running in my head for days, after watching Vosa vs Aayla and coming across a comic, consider it a proposal for your "obvious verdict" videos : Luminara Unduli and Aayla Secura vs Asajj Ventress. How would it actually play out, under the assumptions that both Jedi already faced her before and this is EU Ventress ?
Hello Jensarai1. I am very excited for this coming video! I am using this as an excuse to vent about Form IV Ataru - being that it is of course Qui-Gon's preferred form. It is personally my least favorite of the 7 Forms. It is in my view the least practical. Putting aside for a moment the fact that all the jumps, flips and spins would be useful in any real fight, as you've discussed in other videos it is established in the lore that Form IV is weak against multiple opponents and generally has both a poor defense and is exhausting to use. This means that the situations where it could actually be used is relatively small. Ideally in a one-on-one duel against a weaker opponent that can be quickly overwhelmed and neutralized. In a protracted duel against an opponent of equal, near equal, or greater skill, the Ataru practitioner would likely tire themselves out and then get overwhelmed (poetic justice really). It is a style that banks on aggression - given that it is literally called "the Aggression Form" - and yet Form VII is obviously much more aggressive. As I see it, seems to have the weakness of Niman in that it's not great anything but it lacks Niman's incredible practicality and versatility. It's good in a duel but Form II is better, it has a powerful offense but Form VII has an even more powerful one. It is versatile - at least in offense - but Form VI as mentioned is more so. Furthermore, it is my opinion that an absolute master of any other form - all else being equal - should be able to beat an absolute master of Form IV. A Shii Cho master slice through the Ataru master in less than a second, whilst the Makashi master would impale them in less than a second, a Soresu master would wait them out and cut them down as soon as they got tired, which wouldn't take too long, a Djem So/Shien master could just block and counter in two moves. A Niman master would show our poor Ataru master what it really means to overwhelm and opponent and come at them at all angles. And lastly the Juyo/Vaapad master would show our poor Ataru master would agression really means and likely would hack him to bits. In my view Ataru is useful only as a supplementary form to be paired with others. Or to be used as a training tool but not actually useful in a real (Star Wars) fight, at least not by itself. I also find all the flips, jumps and spins, to be utterly ridiculous and aesthetically distasteful. All this is to say that I find Form IV Ataru to be by far the most overrated of the 7 Forms and I find its popularity both among various Star Wars characters and among fans both odd and irritating. But with all that said, I find Qui-Gon's retooling of it to make it more practical to be a testament to his skill. What are your thoughts? P.S. I find the most underrated form to be Form I and I wish it was featured more, particularly as a primary form. I wish we could see a Jedi or Sith who mastered it absolutely and used it exclusively or almost exclusively. We have only 2 that I am aware of that come close to this. Those being of course Kit Fisto and Lucien Draay but they do not compare in either power or skill to the likes of Mace WIndu and Count Dooku. Imagine if a Master of their caliber mastered Shii Cho to its highest level. What would that be like? I actually think it'd be like a cross between Windu and Dooku. Being both powerful and precise. With a knack for finishing fights in less than a second. Much like a modern practitioner of Iaido. What are your thoughts on this as well? Thanks.
Congrats on the decade of amazing work! I think I mentioned this matchup previously, but Asajj Ventress vs Shado Vao has been living rent-free in my brain for ages. I remember you mentioning in Talon vs Kenobi you saw an equivalence between Kenobi and Vao, so flipping that script Ventress immediately came to mind! Thematically the two are young prodigal talents in combat; ●Ventress a covert agent of the Sith from an era just prior to the collapse of the Jedi Order working to bring about their downfall. ●Vao a jedi knight fighting for survival in an era after the One Sith shattered the New Jedi Order. Both are primarily swordsbeings while still making proactive and powerful use of force abilities. Both have gone toe-to-toe with the greats of their eras and lived to tell about it. Personally the most interesting aspect is their shared use of reconfiguring weapon-sets; but taking that concept in opposite directions: Ventress either using a single blade, Jar'Kai, or linking them into a saberstaff; Vao with a single blade, archaic short-hafted saberstaff, or using a telescopic hilt to shift his grip to a full saberstaff. Personally it's too close to call, it's one of those Kao Cen vs Kas'iim matches where whomever wins does so by a razor thin margin. I'd rather leave the verdict in your capable hands...Also because I know you appreciate a good Ventress matchup!
Congrats on 10 years vs vids xD time really flies. Your videos really stuck with me, from coming home after high school right to sitting in my first own flat when studying. They helped me learn english (mich better then high school). But mpre importantly, they helped to keep my enthusiam for Star Wars alive during some really trying times. Good to see the EU still getting its fair share of coverage. In fact, you even inspired me to start my fanart illustrations for the EU (the first being fanart to your video Kyle Katarn vs Darth Vader). Thank you for so much awesome content, I am definetly keen to see what the chanel has in store for us going forward.
I love all your work and use it as examples of Lightsaber Form theory when talking about Lightsabers in a Martial context, and I love how you keep the In-Universe considerations, like Qui-Gon modifying Ataru into a well rounded Full Fledged Martial art when classically it wasnt so, and the out of universe context, like the idea that Qui-Gon was retconned as a Djem-So specialist when he was clearly defined as Form IV from Day One, in balance in your explanations for further Holistic context. I'd still love to see the video you mentioned about the Marks of Contact and moves that originated in Form I but spread out to other forms, I assume Falling Leaf, Sai, Jung Ma, Flowing Water and Center of Being and the like will be in it, and I eagerly look forward to it, as I often use your Shii Cho video and your old video about the Situational Origins of the Lightsaber, as a Begining intro for my students. Thank you so much for your hard work.
So I think your best video wasn't star wars at all, your commentary on the benegeserit sisterhood was brilliant. As a long time fan I would so appreciate your thoughts on DUNE related content. What are your thoughts on the depiction of the fremen in the most recent DUNE movie? Your ability to comprehend and get inside of the mind of characters can be really interesting. My second favorite video was your Voldemort vs Thulsa Doom. On that note, it might be interesting if you were to do videos specifically dedicated to battle of the minds. Which two or more characters would outwit or manipulate the other? I've been a long time fan (maybe 9 years). Thank you and congrats on 10 years on RUclips.
Love you jensarri man your versus series is amazing and you impressed me so much with your passion that it inspired me to look into the star wars expanded lore. Honestly i cant say im too thrilled with direction start wars has been taking for the past few years but i still cherish the memories. Thank you!!!!
Wow has it already been 10 years that is really amazing. I'm also really surprised that you showed off that you were inspired by the 3 seasons of Deadliest Warrior as that was show that I too enjoyed watching on Spike TV. In an interesting way you being inspired by that show makes alot of sense because my Versus Series was directly inspired by your format just applying to alternate franchises outside of Star Wars. I look forward to your updated thoughts on your Vader vs Jinn match up and who knows I may have to do similar idea when my first match up hits its 10 year anniversary. Keep up the amazing work as I will sure to be watching.
Man, I remember watching that video almost 8 years ago, this was the very first Star Wars versus video I'd ever watched. Thanks to you, I have your full support and likes in all of the content that you put your efforts to. Happy 10th anniversary to Qui-Gon Jinn vs Darth Vader Connor!
It's good to see you still going strong. I've always loved analysing things and watching you through this channel has been a true delight for me. One thing I'm interested in seeing is a redux of your video on the shorts battle, Darth Malgus vs Darth Vader. I'm mainly interested to see what, if anything, has changed considering your more experienced outlook on each character and ways of analysing their combative and tactical abilities. Even if the verdict remains the same as before, even if it remains a short video, I'd be interested to see your current views on such a match-up. Also I remember the first comment of mine you gave a heart to, that being my analogy of the hypothetical fight between Heavyweight boxers Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson on your latest versus video of Yoda vs Darth Vader. (Though that heart seemed to disappear after I edited a grammatical error in that comment). I was hopeful that such an analogy wouldn't be lost on you, as I'm wholly unaware if you're at all familiar with either boxer. But to see my comparison of the two hypothetical match-ups earn a heart from you, it helped to confirm that what I said had merit there, at the very least in your eyes and has improved my confidence in my own thinking and analysis skills. So I thank you so much for that. Whatever match-ups you have planned, I know I'll always be intrigued and eager to see them. Final thing, love your view of the new Disney Canon. If Legends is deemed superior for Versus videos, then as you say, "Legends all the way!".
Congrats on making it to 10 years connor! Ur videos really opened up my view of star wars, and made me a meganerd, and for that i am grateful!🙏🏼 I still havent forgotten about ur kasim video though, will never forget.. What are your thoughts on doing kaan, sirak, githany (and my personal favorite:) kopesz?
Congrats on the 10 years and here is hoping for many more years with many more of your quality videos! It’ll be fun to see what influenced you at the beginning of your RUclips career and seeing how things have changed and advanced over the years! Regarding the match up it really is a stomp for Vader in my opinion. Vaders blade work is so much more advanced than Qui Gon and the same goes for his force power level and abilities. Qui Gon is no slouch but he’s utterly outclassed by Vaders insane strength and he’s not going to out speed him either. Let’s be honest if Anya Qu’ro for example isn’t blitzing Vader then Qui Gon wont be either. He’s also not going to be attacking him in unorthodox and unique ways with the force either. Either way I’m looking forward to this anniversary video! :)
10 years Jesus. I've been watching your channel for a verrrrrryyyyyyyy long time and it's cool that a decade later your still making videos. Honestly with matchups I just want a new character to debut that hasn't been used before or one that has been used once and never again and that could be interesting say a kin to Antares Draco, TCW Bariss Offee (Ik you don't like TCW same with me as well but the one retcon I actually do like is that Offees a Rogue Jedi at the end of the war), Agen Kolar, Jolee Bindo from Kotor, Cay Qel-Droma, Arca Jeth (if Evan can do one on Hoth, Jeth isn't that much of a stretch), Kaan, hell even Qa'sim. Just more analysis on different characters. Like you did one on Odion, that's fucking awesome and out of nowhere, shit like that. But that's just me. But congratulations on 10 years dude, and hopefully many more to come
Just finished watching the original. I think it has a great baseline. There was three parts I thought very interesting though. One is on predictability, at 4:16 in the original you say Qui-Gon is extremely predictable. Where at 6:17 you say Vadar is crisp and unpredictable. When I put those two together I reached your original empire strikes back verdict. Though I think you should discuss Don-maw(The sith technique to goad opponents. Forget how to spell it) I think that would have a large part in the predictability issues and refine why Vader easily wins. along with 3:03 you say Qui-Gon focuses on strength and power which plays into Vader's style both physically and with form V. Another idea is to look over the effects masters had on padwan's. I think Kenobi's Sokan was Vader's vice, Though I don't know Dooku's for Qui-Gon. But Dooku being a form II specialist I find it odd Qui-Gon would be weak to form V defensive counters. I don't know a thing about Dooku and Qui-Gon's training though. Another odd thought is mentioning Qui-Gon's rebellious side and distance from council norms. Which reminds me of Anya Kuro. She herself had her dealings with Vader but she was more combat orientated then Qui-Gon and also strongly connected to the force.With Qui-Gon I think it was his laid back counselor approach that is limiting him in combat scenarios. Though I think re-exploring it and fleshing it out more is a great idea. I do appreciate your research and knowledge put into your vs videos they are very enjoyable.
What would be interesting to see are direct matchups between TCW characters and their original counterparts. I think this would be good to demonstrate how nerfed TCW characters are in general in comparison to the glory of the originals. A TCW Grievous vs. Actual General Grievous would be a good example. They are so vastly different from one another that they can even scarcely be considered the same character anymore, not just in combat ability but also in personality and tactics. TCW fans are so insufferable about how great the show is, but most of them simply favor it because it was the first Star Wars media they consoomed and seem to lack the ability to ingest other forms of the IP simply because they're not as shiny and new. Other interesting matchups would perhaps be response videos toward matchups other RUclipsrs have made that you disagree with. While some people complain about your overall presentation style being "too negative" or "too critical," I actually think the style suits you best and I most enjoy your videos where you are channeling the dark side, so to speak. Finally, I'd like to see more KOTOR and KOTOR II matchups (i.e. more Kreia, Revan, Sion, etc.) They don't have to be between exclusively KOTOR characters but it would be nice to see at least one of them in a matchup with a more modern Jedi or Sith character.
Honestly, no. Insulting the show is not going to do the show or anyone any favors. Again, I am a fan of TCW and I can freely admit it’s flaws. I don’t like TCW grievous the same reasons no one here likes him. I have mixed feelings on ventress’s retcons. I’m not saying this because I’m a triggered fanboy, because if I am, why am I admitting the shows flaws? I’m saying that complaining about the shows flaws is not going to do anyone favors, whether youre a fan of the show or not. It’s a waste of time. Instead, I propose this. How about doing a rewrite of TCW? Write out and fix the show’s flaws by developing your own version. Also, Jen already did a livestream of TCW and what and why he didn’t like about it. I doubt he’s going to create a review of a show he already stated he doesn’t care for unless it’s a “retrospective” review of the show as a follow up to his previous livestream
Damn, to think that I was at the end of Junior year when this came out. I still had a love for Star Wars and finding out more of the EU at that time. As for the match up, I'm of two minds. If both knew who they were fighting, Qui Gon could win but not in a lightsaber battle. Instead, I think Jinn would appeal to Anakin and try to talk Vader down akin to Luke. Though the question of if Jinn got through to Anakin is up in the air. However, when dropped in cold, Vader would be the victor. His physicality and more active use of the Force makes this apparent. Jinn would be able to contend at first and could land hits, but this wouldn't last. So, yeah, you got it right the first time though maybe a bit closer than one thinks.
There some combatants I'd be interested in seeing in future versus series. Dark Jedi Sariss, Hutt Jedi Beldorian, Tyvokka, Darth Phobos, Darth Desolous, Padawan Obi Wan Kenobi, Agen Kolar, Darth Bandon,and Bariss Offee. I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say about these characters.
Yeah Boi! *Cough* I mean, must excellent news, good sir. Edit: Also since we have a few essay comments, might as well add my two cents. In terms of raw power, Vader has the advantage, hands down. While Qui-gon is far from the conventional Ataru master and has a greater understanding of the higher mysteries of the Force, I don’t think he has the might to overcome Vader’s suit. The major advantage that might make it Jinn’s game is the emotional baggage he’ll likely give Vader. This was the man that set Anakin on the road he walked and it’s clear that he does think fondly of him (his outburst to Obi-wan just before he was knighted and in that vision he had of an alternate future where he didn’t fall to the dark side where he named his son Jinn). If there ever was a Jedi that could shake Vader enough to reconsider, Qui-gon would be it. Would it be enough to give Qui-gon a victory? Probably not, but it’s certainly something to consider.
This should be a fun banger! Qui-Gon Jinn's version of Ataru will not hold up against what Vader brings to the table. As far as the force goes, Vader is leaps and bounds more agressive with his force powers. I cannot see any situation in which my beloved Jinn, claims a win.
Pretty sure it'll end the same way as last time. I do hope, however, that you'll acknowledge that Vader's armor isn't as lightsaber-resistant as you once claimed: yes, Luke failed to sever his arm in ESB, but Vader roared in pain and flailed about, and Luke could have killed him with a follow-up decapitation strike had he not been so terrified of Vader and desperate to get away.
Since EvanNova95 did a video on Darth Caedus versus Mace Windu, two battle ideas have been eating at my mind. Could Caedus stand up to Darth Sidious, and can he defeat Darth Krayt as well (but not at the same time)?
Hey man. What is your opinion on a mustafar Kenobi or Vader vs Yoda in a sabers only? Novels only. I think they have a very real chance to tire him out considering that yoda tried against Dooku in AOTC. They should also have the speed to keep up with yoda considering Anakins accolades and improvement toward the end of rots..
Quigon Jinn vs Galen Marek. Lucien Draay vs A’Sharad Hett. Depa Bilaba vs Aryn Leneer. Ki Audi Mundi vs Antares Draco. Darth Baras vs Arcann. Darth Azard vs Quinlan Vos. Wolf Sazen vs Lord Vindican. Shado Vao vs Quinlan Vos.
I will likely edit this comment once I've had time to properly condense my thoughts but, despite how underrated a fighter Qui Gon is, I don't see him getting out of this one. Do not get me wrong, he's a competent fighter, and a great force adherent but this fight will likely come down to how their blade to blade combat matches up with one another as Qui Gon is usually too hesitant to use the force in many of his engagements with other force sensitives. With this in mind, this wouldn't be a stomp, as Qui Gon would give Vader a run for his money in terms of bladework, but, in Vader-esque fashion, after the early fight, Vader would not only adapt to his unique style, but he'd exploit his lack of stamina in a long running engagement. Qui Gon's options from here are to either run or die, but this is a versus match, so, I think we know how this ends.
I honestly think qui gon would still be at a disadvantage even in the early stage of the fight. His make things as you go along approach would be terrible against Vader’s calculating approach.
@@lapplandkun9273 Not exactly. Vader's calculating approach is based on established forms. Qui Gon is unorthodox so it would keep him in the fight for the early fight, especially considering that Vader's early game calculating approach is more of a probing assault like Makashi, rather than the destructive cleaves one would expect from Form 5. However, once the mid fight comes, Vader would likely turn things up, unleash the form five cleaves that he's known for and things would go down hill from there for Qui Gon. Qui Gon just DOESN'T have the agility or technique required to either exploit Vader's weaknesses or to subvert his technique. And all of the aspects that Qui Gon IS bringing to the table: Strength, Defense, and Finesse... Vader has that in spades. Vader ends up folding him like an Omelet, but Qui Gon is still skilled and unorthodox enough to remain in the fight long enough to not make this a stomp.
Qui-Gon is certainly no pushover. I'd call him an above average Jedi when it comes to combat. However, "above average" just isn't going to cut it against someone of Vader's caliber. Physical ability, Force power and usage, lightsaber skills, tactical acumen....Vader's got all the edges. Qui-Gon will make Vader work for it, but I think the outcome is obvious.
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I don't think Qui Gon would die immediately, but he can't win. He might last several minutes, but Vader is just a superior combatant. The only advantage Qui Gon Jinn might have is speed, but this is something Vader has successfully combated in the past.
Hmm... I think that Jinn is outclassed in terms of developed skill, combat effectiveness both with and without the lightsaber, and in terms of force power and force abilities. With that being said, I'd say that he's faster, taller and nearly as strong as Vader, even if his stamina would burn out fairly quickly. He might have a reach advantage as well. I reckon that he might give Vader a better fight than ROTJ Luke did, but Vader would be going in for the kill, so he probably wouldn't lise any limbs. If Maul can beat Jinn, then Vader definitely can. I would love to see a speculative match up between young (50 +) Dooku, and ROTS Anakin if you're looking for any ideas.
Given the power level video of Qui-Gon Jinn Vs Darth Vader, there is no way someone who would be 20 times weaker than someone who last ten seconds in that fight with ten seconds being a generous number to give there, Qui-Gon would die in one hit in that fight, and Vader would only get that immensely power by either concentrated force power or by using his full power. The fact that a Darth Maul clone was able to put up a good fight against Vader in the legends continuity should indicate that Qui-Gon should not be that inferior to Vader in a fight and while do I understand why you guys aren't for ABC logic in Star Wars that doesn't mean ABC logic doesn't have credential in these matchups, meaning Qui-Gon could put up a better fight against suppressed Vader, who rarely uses his full power.
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Alema Rar vs A’sharad Hett. Darth Malak vs Darth Baras.Roan Shryne vs Wild Sazen. Antares Draco vs Shado Vao. Beyghor Sahdett Vs Galen Marek. Starkiller( clone) vs Darth Malak.
Who would win? Qui-Gon-Jinn, or Komari Vosa? Both characters were trained by Count Dooku in their Padawan years, so, imagine a meeting of the students in battle.
And, on top of that, how about Qui-Gon-Jinn versus Asaji Ventress, or Asaji Ventress versus Komari Vosa? Or, even, a three-way-battle between all three characters? Make a whole series of videos that Qui-Gon-Jinn fans would love.
Jinn should easily take Vosa who was always unstable and rather compromised as a duelist but loses a narrow majority to Ventress. He gives her a good fight but she's simply too agile, versatile and powerful in the Force for an aging Master like Qui Gon.
Honest question is darth wredd vs warb null a viable match up or is it a obvious forgone conclusion I just finished rewatching your video of warb null vs k’kruhk
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I’m in favor of Vader, but it’s honestly a lot closer than many would believe. Vader has quite a few examples of anti-feats, accolades and scaling, so much so that I think it would be wrong to ignore them. Vader has a lot of big wins, but quite a few losses, and if you go off of word of god quotes, Vader isn’t that overwhelmingly impressive at all. There are plenty of quotes from Lucas, Gillard, and the like which hurt Vader, such as calling him and Ben crippled old men in comparison to Prequels era Jedi, highly implying that Vader didn’t use the Force against Ben because the latter was more powerful (and going as far as to put Ben several tiers above Vader) and the like. Realistically, this should put Vader well below ROTS Kenobi, which is also supported by Vader basically losing to Resurrection Maul (yes he did kill Maul, but Maul was in control most of the fight). Don’t get me wrong, Vader has his strengths, and you shouldn’t take what Lucas and his group said and blindly run with it, but it’s worth noting that they were the highest form of canon for the EU, so these statements shouldn’t be ignored either.
I got a couple I was thinking obi wan vs darth vader specifically rots obi wan facing darth Vader form return of the Jedi or new hope ether or I’ve always wondered if obi wan would be able to win that fight on the Death Star if he was in his prime, galen marek vs asajj ventress they have a similar upbringing so it be cool to see who’s the stronger secret apprentice, Galen marek vs obi wan during revenge of the sith obi specifically that fight was unintentionally teased in forced unleashed so I’d like to see an actual conclusion and last but not least Zayne Carrick vs Cal Kestis or if not cal kestis vs the grand inquisitor aka (the only good villain in rebels that isn’t maul Vader thron or palpatine)
Galen marek vs obi wan during revenge of the sith obi specifically that fight was unintentionally teased in forced unleashed so I’d like to see an actual conclusion and last but not least Zayne Kenobi wins. Galen was fighting proxy who was using the kenobi module and only won because he utilized his force abilities mixed in with saber combat against proxy kenobi. Galen isn't on kenobi level, much less his prime in ROTS
I honestly think RUclipsrs need to stop using Qui-gon Jinn in versus videos simply because it's always one sided that he's going to lose in a fight he is definitely a great character story wise but in terms of combat skills he just isn't developed enough to have a chance of winning in a versus video
Even if the explanation ends up being out of date.. And none of that is a given its hard to see how the outcome could be any different. Qui gons a monster but I don't see him beating vader.
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I love your videos been watching since I was a teenager. Just curious what happened to fanalysis.? I just watched the videos where you guys covered the plaguise novel and I was thinking to myself why so few videos like what happened?
I would love if you would talk about the philosophical differences these characters have and how they were formed or changed over time. Just doing a video over how one guy can beat up another guy. How they are swinging a saber or throwing punch is not as interesting as why they are taking these actions. A lot of times I get the feeling you do not like to talk about character motivations , just did they hold that saber right!!!!!!!! Oh did he defend they way some old comic showed. Oh they did!!!!!!! Great great finally a good Star Wars story. You see that Jedi block!!!!!!!! This seems so ridiculous and childish.
Beg your pardon but I have to respectfully disagree. There is nothing childish or ridiculous about analysing a character's combative capabilities. It's just as valid a part of writing as anything else. I myself enjoy writing both fan-fiction and original fiction, and when it comes to writing fight scenes there is a lot of thought that needs to be put into them. I need to ask myself, "how does this character fight? What are their strengths and weaknesses? What kind of training did he/she have? Does it fit their personality and mindset? How do I keep their portrayal consistent without being repetitive?" and so on. "How they are swinging a saber or throwing a punch" needs to fit the character's background. For example if the character is a Kung Fu expert then you need to ensure that they are using Kung Fu technique rather than Western boxing. Again, determining a character's combative capabilities requires a lot of thought and effort. It is not childish or ridiculous in the slightest.
@@Wright805 Why they are physically fighting will always be more interesting than how. That’s just my opinion bud, you go ahead though and fantasize about how a man can beat on another man. I personally would hope you would get more out of Star Wars than just cool fighting. Yoda said wars not make one great. Maybe think why he’s saying that. Luke not killing his father and showing compassion for him after their fight in front of Palpatine. That’s bigger things to say than how a physical fight “should look”.
@@DandGBears Did I say otherwise? No I did not. I get LOTS more out of Star Wars than "just cool fighting." Does that mean I can't enjoy said cool fighting or learn from it? No it does not. I know why Yoda's saying that. Luke showing compassion for his father is why he's a great character. Again, did I say otherwise? No I did not. Again, I love writing stories. I know there's "bigger things to say than how a physical fight “should look.” That doesn't make studying a character's combative capabilities ridiculous or childish. All you're doing is showing your own immaturity.
Speaking of Qui-Gon, I think an interesting matchup for him would be against Valenthyne Farfalla. I personally think they're relatively on-par with one another, and thematically, it's amazing. The last Jedi to fight the Sith before they went into hiding pitted against the first Jedi to fight the Sith following their reemergence. Congratulations on the 10 year anniversary!
Qui Gon is definitely an underrated fighter but it's hard to see how he wins this one. On a technique front Vader's relentless Djem style is more advanced then Qui Gon's retooled Ataru. On a physical front while Jinn is above average in hight and strength again Vader exceeds him. On top of that Vader has a near limitless amount of stamina which was one of the primary reasons behind Jinn's loss to Maul on Naboo and was blatantly evident after their skirmish on Tatooine. With the Force Jinn has been known to be powerful but painfully hesitant to use it in a fight whereas Vader is not only stronger but holds no such compunctions. I do not see how Jinn can win this.
Well said
Yeah, pretty much this. Jinn's legacy as a Jedi has almost nothing to do with using the Force, and everything to do with his philosophy and impact on those around him. While Vadar might not be as naturally quick and agile as Maul, he balances this out with raw power (both physical and Force), and is far more willing to mix in his Force powers when fighting. Unless Jinn forsaw his own death and allowed it to happen, PM Jinn would get battered aside.
I mean... there are multiple sources blatantly proclaiming PT Force users as superior to OT Force users, both in terms of power in the Force and skill with the lightsaber.
Personally, I think the only way Vader can win this is by going full Soresu mode and capitalizing on his superior stamina and durability.
@@mc_rysiek5277 I really have no idea how you came to this conclusion. Even by _only_ going by the films, Vader is a relentless killing machine who only lost to Luke because he was hesitant to kill his own son. Jinn was in a battle with Maul twice, and both times he essentially avoided using the Force and suffered massively from stamina issues.
@@morlath4767 What conclusion? That Vader can win via attrition? I doubt I have to explain why Vader has better stamina than Qui-Gon.
Are you going to pretend that Vader was the only one holding back in that fight? It's not like Luke disengaged and turned his lightsaber of on at least three separate ocassions...
Speaking of Maul, you realize that Maul's doppleganger decisively outfought Vader, right? If I am being honest, Qui-Gon performed better than Vader against Maul.
First of all, I wanted to say thank you Jensaarai, for being the most thorough and professional Legends Versus RUclipsr. Your projects are always insanely well prepared and researched, which makes them a pleasure to watch and re-watch as well(I've seen Count Dooku vs Galen Marek like a hundred times and Darth Traya vs Inquisitor Jerec probably even more).
Secondly, I wanted to propose a match-up, The Valiant Knights, Antares Draco versus Lucien Dray. The presence of the first one would be a good addition to the roster of characters from the Legacy period, one that does not fall into the ranks of the Sith. Lucien would be a bridge to your old Lucien Dray versus Galen Marek video, a connection for the old school fans. Both men had similar themes of darkness combined with loyatly and a saving female figure, both started as something and gradually became something very different, their final fates a fitting commentary about the fickle nature of Fate. Their styles and approaches as well as motivations have a pattern of strong similarities and stark differences. An interesting fight me thinks, in terms of the technicalities of the duel, the approach to fencing and fighting in general has changed so much between their respective periods - it will be exciting to see them contrast.
Thank you.
Thank you ! I have been pitching this match up for almost 3 years!
Have you considered using Roan Shryne in a vs? I personally think he'd be a good match for Qui Gon. Both are tier 3 in my opinion and are veery unusual Jedi for the time period. I also personally believe him to be a Niman practioner, but unlike Cin Drallig his version is much more practical for the battlefield similar to how Qui Gon's modified Ataru is more practical than standard Ataru. Roan's odd relationship with the Force is also an interesting foil to Qui Gon's reverence for it. Just an interesting matchup and I feel like th vs community is really sleeping on Roan. Dude made Vader resort to his Force abilities and while he wasn't Vader's equal as a duelist, he was definitely fair competition which is more than we can say for most Jedi or Sith
Roan Shryne is what I imagine a jedi guardian would be like if they studied and niman only.
Can't believe it's been 10 years since you started this series, that felt like eons ago. So much has changed about RUclips and the world at large, even my personal life. Considering you're one of the last channels standing out of that glut of Star Wars Versus series that arrived just prior to the House of Mouse takeover and pillaging of Legends canon, you must be doing something right =)
As for this battle: I think the original vid had the right verdict and I have no intention of arguing otherwise. Vader 10/10 on even ground, all day long. That said, I look forward to your reappraisal/remastering of this matchup and if there's any new observations that can be gleaned from further analysis.
Qui Gon Jin has a a very particular set of skills,
Skills that he has acquired over a very long career.
Skills that make him a nightmare.
For people Like Vader.
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Alright I'm coming in with my analysis for the original video. Here I go...
The original versus video of Qui Gon Jinn Vs Darth Vader is certainly not the most legendary in terms of editing and analysis but it is certainly legendary for opening the gateway to such matches. While I personally do feel the match is a tad one sided I do feel there are some interesting similarties in regards to their lightsaber dueling methods. Both Jinn and Vader reworked the techniques of their original styles (Djem So and Ataru respectively) to better compensate with their evolving situations (Jinn's waining stamina, Vader's complete cybernetic overhaul) Both were also muscle tanks that while capable of acrobatics never really employed them unless nessecary and instead operating as barbaric power duelists. Although never actually confirmed before I personally have theorized that Jinn did add elements of both Makashi and Djem So into his Ataru form (The blade binding/dynamic saber thrusts of Makashi and Djem So to enhance the powerbased fighting of Jinn's overall method. Interestingly this parralells Vader's own fighting style where he uses Djem So and Makashi as his primary forms and Ataru more as a backbone for implimented physical combat and occasional although rare acrobatics among the rest of the seven forms.
Congrats on your 10 year anniversary Jensaarai1!
I dont remember the new first video of yours I watched that got me excited and into your channel.
I think it was Teneb Kell vs Nadar? And that was 6 years ago.
its always fun to do remakes of old videos. But I feel Vader still dominates Jinn. Jinn isnt strong enough either physically or the force to overpower Vader.
Though Im sure there is some psychological fuel Jinn could use to pull a win ala episode 6 Luke?
0:48 Holy crap Im touched. My essay comments are basically me ranting every little random thought that comes to mind.
And Darth Wredd vs Exal Kresh is 4 years old? I feel old. Btw, I stand by that original post. Darth Wredd is an edgelord.
How do you think Cal Kestis vs Teneb Kel would go? Force adepts whose training were cut short due to certain circumstances, with gaps left in due to their potential being largely untapped
@@lapplandkun9273 idk probably Cal. His weapon and style feels like a more developed Teneb Kel.
But I think Kel has a greater variety of force abilities (mainly lightning). Unsure but leaning Cal.
Thank you Jensaarai1 for the heart!
Always appreciate it. And again, thank you for mentioning me in your video.
After a couple of years, I once again will recommend Coleman Trebor vs Grandmaster Zym as a joke matchup.
And on a serious matchup, Kar Vastor vs Lord Nyax.
@@robertgeorge4602 Kar Vastor Vs. Lord Nyax
Two of the most violent and visceral characters in the lore.
...Fuck.
@@Jensaarai1 Ive had this matchup cooking up in my head for at least a year.
im happy to see its caught your attention.
Clicked the second I saw the notification; abandoning what I was watching in the process
Darth Vader would be my first guess to who wins, but as I have not looked properly into it, I can not say. But since it is your 10th anniversary for your VS videos, perhaps you in the coming time (even if you begin working on them during the next year would count in my book) could bring back some charaters you have used in the past but have not used in a while like K'Kruhk, Tholme, Kit Fisto or Satele Shan (just to name a few) and introduce a few new charaters like T'ra Saa, Yaddle or Darth Stryfe. It would also be nice to see the return of your more different ligthsabers video with the like of Corran Horn, Ki-Adi Mundi or Kazdan Paratus (like you did with Darth Vader, Count Dooku, Darth Bane, Exar Kun). Looking forward to the celebration video, will Certainly be interesting.
Heh, a post-mortem of your first versus.
Cheers to another 10 years, Connor !
Personally, I had an idea running in my head for days, after watching Vosa vs Aayla and coming across a comic, consider it a proposal for your "obvious verdict" videos : Luminara Unduli and Aayla Secura vs Asajj Ventress. How would it actually play out, under the assumptions that both Jedi already faced her before and this is EU Ventress ?
Congratulations on your ten year anniversary
It's always good to hear from you
Hello Jensarai1. I am very excited for this coming video! I am using this as an excuse to vent about Form IV Ataru - being that it is of course Qui-Gon's preferred form. It is personally my least favorite of the 7 Forms. It is in my view the least practical. Putting aside for a moment the fact that all the jumps, flips and spins would be useful in any real fight, as you've discussed in other videos it is established in the lore that Form IV is weak against multiple opponents and generally has both a poor defense and is exhausting to use. This means that the situations where it could actually be used is relatively small. Ideally in a one-on-one duel against a weaker opponent that can be quickly overwhelmed and neutralized. In a protracted duel against an opponent of equal, near equal, or greater skill, the Ataru practitioner would likely tire themselves out and then get overwhelmed (poetic justice really). It is a style that banks on aggression - given that it is literally called "the Aggression Form" - and yet Form VII is obviously much more aggressive. As I see it, seems to have the weakness of Niman in that it's not great anything but it lacks Niman's incredible practicality and versatility. It's good in a duel but Form II is better, it has a powerful offense but Form VII has an even more powerful one. It is versatile - at least in offense - but Form VI as mentioned is more so. Furthermore, it is my opinion that an absolute master of any other form - all else being equal - should be able to beat an absolute master of Form IV. A Shii Cho master slice through the Ataru master in less than a second, whilst the Makashi master would impale them in less than a second, a Soresu master would wait them out and cut them down as soon as they got tired, which wouldn't take too long, a Djem So/Shien master could just block and counter in two moves. A Niman master would show our poor Ataru master what it really means to overwhelm and opponent and come at them at all angles. And lastly the Juyo/Vaapad master would show our poor Ataru master would agression really means and likely would hack him to bits. In my view Ataru is useful only as a supplementary form to be paired with others. Or to be used as a training tool but not actually useful in a real (Star Wars) fight, at least not by itself. I also find all the flips, jumps and spins, to be utterly ridiculous and aesthetically distasteful. All this is to say that I find Form IV Ataru to be by far the most overrated of the 7 Forms and I find its popularity both among various Star Wars characters and among fans both odd and irritating. But with all that said, I find Qui-Gon's retooling of it to make it more practical to be a testament to his skill. What are your thoughts?
P.S. I find the most underrated form to be Form I and I wish it was featured more, particularly as a primary form. I wish we could see a Jedi or Sith who mastered it absolutely and used it exclusively or almost exclusively. We have only 2 that I am aware of that come close to this. Those being of course Kit Fisto and Lucien Draay but they do not compare in either power or skill to the likes of Mace WIndu and Count Dooku. Imagine if a Master of their caliber mastered Shii Cho to its highest level. What would that be like? I actually think it'd be like a cross between Windu and Dooku. Being both powerful and precise. With a knack for finishing fights in less than a second. Much like a modern practitioner of Iaido. What are your thoughts on this as well? Thanks.
Howdy Bub! Glad to see a new video, even if it is just an update video.
Congrats on the decade of amazing work!
I think I mentioned this matchup previously, but Asajj Ventress vs Shado Vao has been living rent-free in my brain for ages.
I remember you mentioning in Talon vs Kenobi you saw an equivalence between Kenobi and Vao, so flipping that script Ventress immediately came to mind!
Thematically the two are young prodigal talents in combat;
●Ventress a covert agent of the Sith from an era just prior to the collapse of the Jedi Order working to bring about their downfall.
●Vao a jedi knight fighting for survival in an era after the One Sith shattered the New Jedi Order.
Both are primarily swordsbeings while still making proactive and powerful use of force abilities. Both have gone toe-to-toe with the greats of their eras and lived to tell about it.
Personally the most interesting aspect is their shared use of reconfiguring weapon-sets; but taking that concept in opposite directions: Ventress either using a single blade, Jar'Kai, or linking them into a saberstaff; Vao with a single blade, archaic short-hafted saberstaff, or using a telescopic hilt to shift his grip to a full saberstaff.
Personally it's too close to call, it's one of those Kao Cen vs Kas'iim matches where whomever wins does so by a razor thin margin. I'd rather leave the verdict in your capable hands...Also because I know you appreciate a good Ventress matchup!
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Congrats on 10 years vs vids xD time really flies. Your videos really stuck with me, from coming home after high school right to sitting in my first own flat when studying. They helped me learn english (mich better then high school). But mpre importantly, they helped to keep my enthusiam for Star Wars alive during some really trying times. Good to see the EU still getting its fair share of coverage. In fact, you even inspired me to start my fanart illustrations for the EU (the first being fanart to your video Kyle Katarn vs Darth Vader). Thank you for so much awesome content, I am definetly keen to see what the chanel has in store for us going forward.
Clicked on this the second I got the notification, I’m curious to see what comes next.
I love all your work and use it as examples of Lightsaber Form theory when talking about Lightsabers in a Martial context, and I love how you keep the In-Universe considerations, like Qui-Gon modifying Ataru into a well rounded Full Fledged Martial art when classically it wasnt so, and the out of universe context, like the idea that Qui-Gon was retconned as a Djem-So specialist when he was clearly defined as Form IV from Day One, in balance in your explanations for further Holistic context. I'd still love to see the video you mentioned about the Marks of Contact and moves that originated in Form I but spread out to other forms, I assume Falling Leaf, Sai, Jung Ma, Flowing Water and Center of Being and the like will be in it, and I eagerly look forward to it, as I often use your Shii Cho video and your old video about the Situational Origins of the Lightsaber, as a Begining intro for my students. Thank you so much for your hard work.
Glad to see your back chief
Congratulations to 10yrs of RUclips cant wait to see it
Can’t fucking wait man. Congrats
Woooo congrats!! Been watching you since high-school and still rewatch your old vs vids, keep it up!!
So I think your best video wasn't star wars at all, your commentary on the benegeserit sisterhood was brilliant. As a long time fan I would so appreciate your thoughts on DUNE related content. What are your thoughts on the depiction of the fremen in the most recent DUNE movie?
Your ability to comprehend and get inside of the mind of characters can be really interesting. My second favorite video was your Voldemort vs Thulsa Doom.
On that note, it might be interesting if you were to do videos specifically dedicated to battle of the minds. Which two or more characters would outwit or manipulate the other?
I've been a long time fan (maybe 9 years).
Thank you and congrats on 10 years on RUclips.
Love you jensarri man your versus series is amazing and you impressed me so much with your passion that it inspired me to look into the star wars expanded lore.
Honestly i cant say im too thrilled with direction start wars has been taking for the past few years but i still cherish the memories.
Thank you!!!!
“Deadliest warrior it has been a long time since I have heard that name.”
Wow has it already been 10 years that is really amazing. I'm also really surprised that you showed off that you were inspired by the 3 seasons of Deadliest Warrior as that was show that I too enjoyed watching on Spike TV. In an interesting way you being inspired by that show makes alot of sense because my Versus Series was directly inspired by your format just applying to alternate franchises outside of Star Wars. I look forward to your updated thoughts on your Vader vs Jinn match up and who knows I may have to do similar idea when my first match up hits its 10 year anniversary. Keep up the amazing work as I will sure to be watching.
Man, I remember watching that video almost 8 years ago, this was the very first Star Wars versus video I'd ever watched. Thanks to you, I have your full support and likes in all of the content that you put your efforts to. Happy 10th anniversary to Qui-Gon Jinn vs Darth Vader Connor!
It's good to see you still going strong. I've always loved analysing things and watching you through this channel has been a true delight for me.
One thing I'm interested in seeing is a redux of your video on the shorts battle, Darth Malgus vs Darth Vader. I'm mainly interested to see what, if anything, has changed considering your more experienced outlook on each character and ways of analysing their combative and tactical abilities. Even if the verdict remains the same as before, even if it remains a short video, I'd be interested to see your current views on such a match-up.
Also I remember the first comment of mine you gave a heart to, that being my analogy of the hypothetical fight between Heavyweight boxers Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson on your latest versus video of Yoda vs Darth Vader. (Though that heart seemed to disappear after I edited a grammatical error in that comment). I was hopeful that such an analogy wouldn't be lost on you, as I'm wholly unaware if you're at all familiar with either boxer. But to see my comparison of the two hypothetical match-ups earn a heart from you, it helped to confirm that what I said had merit there, at the very least in your eyes and has improved my confidence in my own thinking and analysis skills. So I thank you so much for that.
Whatever match-ups you have planned, I know I'll always be intrigued and eager to see them. Final thing, love your view of the new Disney Canon. If Legends is deemed superior for Versus videos, then as you say, "Legends all the way!".
I love the "hello youtube, this is jensaarai" intro haha
Congrats on making it to 10 years connor! Ur videos really opened up my view of star wars, and made me a meganerd, and for that i am grateful!🙏🏼
I still havent forgotten about ur kasim video though, will never forget..
What are your thoughts on doing kaan, sirak, githany (and my personal favorite:) kopesz?
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When can you do a video on Darth Revan versus Thrawn? It would be great to see your breakdown of a space battle between these two tacticians.
Congrats on the 10 years and here is hoping for many more years with many more of your quality videos! It’ll be fun to see what influenced you at the beginning of your RUclips career and seeing how things have changed and advanced over the years!
Regarding the match up it really is a stomp for Vader in my opinion. Vaders blade work is so much more advanced than Qui Gon and the same goes for his force power level and abilities. Qui Gon is no slouch but he’s utterly outclassed by Vaders insane strength and he’s not going to out speed him either. Let’s be honest if Anya Qu’ro for example isn’t blitzing Vader then Qui Gon wont be either. He’s also not going to be attacking him in unorthodox and unique ways with the force either.
Either way I’m looking forward to this anniversary video! :)
10 years Jesus. I've been watching your channel for a verrrrrryyyyyyyy long time and it's cool that a decade later your still making videos. Honestly with matchups I just want a new character to debut that hasn't been used before or one that has been used once and never again and that could be interesting say a kin to Antares Draco, TCW Bariss Offee (Ik you don't like TCW same with me as well but the one retcon I actually do like is that Offees a Rogue Jedi at the end of the war), Agen Kolar, Jolee Bindo from Kotor, Cay Qel-Droma, Arca Jeth (if Evan can do one on Hoth, Jeth isn't that much of a stretch), Kaan, hell even Qa'sim. Just more analysis on different characters. Like you did one on Odion, that's fucking awesome and out of nowhere, shit like that. But that's just me. But congratulations on 10 years dude, and hopefully many more to come
Just finished watching the original. I think it has a great baseline. There was three parts I thought very interesting though. One is on predictability, at 4:16 in the original you say Qui-Gon is extremely predictable. Where at 6:17 you say Vadar is crisp and unpredictable. When I put those two together I reached your original empire strikes back verdict. Though I think you should discuss Don-maw(The sith technique to goad opponents. Forget how to spell it) I think that would have a large part in the predictability issues and refine why Vader easily wins. along with 3:03 you say Qui-Gon focuses on strength and power which plays into Vader's style both physically and with form V. Another idea is to look over the effects masters had on padwan's. I think Kenobi's Sokan was Vader's vice, Though I don't know Dooku's for Qui-Gon. But Dooku being a form II specialist I find it odd Qui-Gon would be weak to form V defensive counters. I don't know a thing about Dooku and Qui-Gon's training though. Another odd thought is mentioning Qui-Gon's rebellious side and distance from council norms. Which reminds me of Anya Kuro. She herself had her dealings with Vader but she was more combat orientated then Qui-Gon and also strongly connected to the force.With Qui-Gon I think it was his laid back counselor approach that is limiting him in combat scenarios. Though I think re-exploring it and fleshing it out more is a great idea. I do appreciate your research and knowledge put into your vs videos they are very enjoyable.
What would be interesting to see are direct matchups between TCW characters and their original counterparts. I think this would be good to demonstrate how nerfed TCW characters are in general in comparison to the glory of the originals. A TCW Grievous vs. Actual General Grievous would be a good example. They are so vastly different from one another that they can even scarcely be considered the same character anymore, not just in combat ability but also in personality and tactics. TCW fans are so insufferable about how great the show is, but most of them simply favor it because it was the first Star Wars media they consoomed and seem to lack the ability to ingest other forms of the IP simply because they're not as shiny and new.
Other interesting matchups would perhaps be response videos toward matchups other RUclipsrs have made that you disagree with. While some people complain about your overall presentation style being "too negative" or "too critical," I actually think the style suits you best and I most enjoy your videos where you are channeling the dark side, so to speak.
Finally, I'd like to see more KOTOR and KOTOR II matchups (i.e. more Kreia, Revan, Sion, etc.) They don't have to be between exclusively KOTOR characters but it would be nice to see at least one of them in a matchup with a more modern Jedi or Sith character.
Honestly, no. Insulting the show is not going to do the show or anyone any favors. Again, I am a fan of TCW and I can freely admit it’s flaws. I don’t like TCW grievous the same reasons no one here likes him. I have mixed feelings on ventress’s retcons. I’m not saying this because I’m a triggered fanboy, because if I am, why am I admitting the shows flaws? I’m saying that complaining about the shows flaws is not going to do anyone favors, whether youre a fan of the show or not. It’s a waste of time.
Instead, I propose this. How about doing a rewrite of TCW? Write out and fix the show’s flaws by developing your own version. Also, Jen already did a livestream of TCW and what and why he didn’t like about it. I doubt he’s going to create a review of a show he already stated he doesn’t care for unless it’s a “retrospective” review of the show as a follow up to his previous livestream
Suggestion: Qui-Gon vs K’Kruhk
Damn, to think that I was at the end of Junior year when this came out. I still had a love for Star Wars and finding out more of the EU at that time.
As for the match up, I'm of two minds. If both knew who they were fighting, Qui Gon could win but not in a lightsaber battle. Instead, I think Jinn would appeal to Anakin and try to talk Vader down akin to Luke. Though the question of if Jinn got through to Anakin is up in the air.
However, when dropped in cold, Vader would be the victor. His physicality and more active use of the Force makes this apparent. Jinn would be able to contend at first and could land hits, but this wouldn't last. So, yeah, you got it right the first time though maybe a bit closer than one thinks.
There some combatants I'd be interested in seeing in future versus series. Dark Jedi Sariss, Hutt Jedi Beldorian, Tyvokka, Darth Phobos, Darth Desolous, Padawan Obi Wan Kenobi, Agen Kolar, Darth Bandon,and Bariss Offee. I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say about these characters.
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Edit: Also since we have a few essay comments, might as well add my two cents.
In terms of raw power, Vader has the advantage, hands down. While Qui-gon is far from the conventional Ataru master and has a greater understanding of the higher mysteries of the Force, I don’t think he has the might to overcome Vader’s suit.
The major advantage that might make it Jinn’s game is the emotional baggage he’ll likely give Vader. This was the man that set Anakin on the road he walked and it’s clear that he does think fondly of him (his outburst to Obi-wan just before he was knighted and in that vision he had of an alternate future where he didn’t fall to the dark side where he named his son Jinn). If there ever was a Jedi that could shake Vader enough to reconsider, Qui-gon would be it.
Would it be enough to give Qui-gon a victory? Probably not, but it’s certainly something to consider.
This should be a fun banger! Qui-Gon Jinn's version of Ataru will not hold up against what Vader brings to the table. As far as the force goes, Vader is leaps and bounds more agressive with his force powers. I cannot see any situation in which my beloved Jinn, claims a win.
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Pretty sure it'll end the same way as last time. I do hope, however, that you'll acknowledge that Vader's armor isn't as lightsaber-resistant as you once claimed: yes, Luke failed to sever his arm in ESB, but Vader roared in pain and flailed about, and Luke could have killed him with a follow-up decapitation strike had he not been so terrified of Vader and desperate to get away.
Since EvanNova95 did a video on Darth Caedus versus Mace Windu, two battle ideas have been eating at my mind. Could Caedus stand up to Darth Sidious, and can he defeat Darth Krayt as well (but not at the same time)?
Eeeeehhhh... honestly? Would Qui-Gon stand a ghost of a chance?
Vader has everything on Jinn. Stamina, strenght, skill and force power.
He actually does. Better than any ignorant fuck who says Kylo ren has a chance against vader
@@lapplandkun9273 Kylo Ren is pathetic, he gets defeated by someone who has never even used a lightsaber and by a none force sensitive.
@@theshadowman0174 I know. SethTheProgrammer thinks kylo has a chance against vader
@@lapplandkun9273 haha wow. Maybe he has a chance against Johun Othone, but even I'm skeptical about that.
There's no way Qui Gon would win, he might put up a decent fight but he can't win.
Will you do a VS battle with The Witch King of Angmar
I was there for that.
Hey man. What is your opinion on a mustafar Kenobi or Vader vs Yoda in a sabers only? Novels only.
I think they have a very real chance to tire him out considering that yoda tried against Dooku in AOTC.
They should also have the speed to keep up with yoda considering Anakins accolades and improvement toward the end of rots..
Quigon Jinn vs Galen Marek. Lucien Draay vs A’Sharad Hett. Depa Bilaba vs Aryn Leneer. Ki Audi Mundi vs Antares Draco. Darth Baras vs Arcann. Darth Azard vs Quinlan Vos. Wolf Sazen vs Lord Vindican. Shado Vao vs Quinlan Vos.
You should make Ulic Qel Droma vrs Malgus or Vader… that would be a solid match up
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I will likely edit this comment once I've had time to properly condense my thoughts but, despite how underrated a fighter Qui Gon is, I don't see him getting out of this one.
Do not get me wrong, he's a competent fighter, and a great force adherent but this fight will likely come down to how their blade to blade combat matches up with one another as Qui Gon is usually too hesitant to use the force in many of his engagements with other force sensitives.
With this in mind, this wouldn't be a stomp, as Qui Gon would give Vader a run for his money in terms of bladework, but, in Vader-esque fashion, after the early fight, Vader would not only adapt to his unique style, but he'd exploit his lack of stamina in a long running engagement.
Qui Gon's options from here are to either run or die, but this is a versus match, so, I think we know how this ends.
I honestly think qui gon would still be at a disadvantage even in the early stage of the fight. His make things as you go along approach would be terrible against Vader’s calculating approach.
@@lapplandkun9273 Not exactly. Vader's calculating approach is based on established forms.
Qui Gon is unorthodox so it would keep him in the fight for the early fight, especially considering that Vader's early game calculating approach is more of a probing assault like Makashi, rather than the destructive cleaves one would expect from Form 5.
However, once the mid fight comes, Vader would likely turn things up, unleash the form five cleaves that he's known for and things would go down hill from there for Qui Gon. Qui Gon just DOESN'T have the agility or technique required to either exploit Vader's weaknesses or to subvert his technique. And all of the aspects that Qui Gon IS bringing to the table: Strength, Defense, and Finesse... Vader has that in spades.
Vader ends up folding him like an Omelet, but Qui Gon is still skilled and unorthodox enough to remain in the fight long enough to not make this a stomp.
Qui-Gon is certainly no pushover. I'd call him an above average Jedi when it comes to combat. However, "above average" just isn't going to cut it against someone of Vader's caliber. Physical ability, Force power and usage, lightsaber skills, tactical acumen....Vader's got all the edges. Qui-Gon will make Vader work for it, but I think the outcome is obvious.
Will you do a ten year anniversary video for Dooku vs Maul?
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Qu Rahn vs Qui Gon? The old shepherds of the Old Jedi order
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Will you be doing any other Versus matches soon?
Hes already doing dooku vs Malak with Evan nova.
I don't think Qui Gon would die immediately, but he can't win. He might last several minutes, but Vader is just a superior combatant. The only advantage Qui Gon Jinn might have is speed, but this is something Vader has successfully combated in the past.
Hmm... I think that Jinn is outclassed in terms of developed skill, combat effectiveness both with and without the lightsaber, and in terms of force power and force abilities. With that being said, I'd say that he's faster, taller and nearly as strong as Vader, even if his stamina would burn out fairly quickly. He might have a reach advantage as well. I reckon that he might give Vader a better fight than ROTJ Luke did, but Vader would be going in for the kill, so he probably wouldn't lise any limbs. If Maul can beat Jinn, then Vader definitely can.
I would love to see a speculative match up between young (50 +) Dooku, and ROTS Anakin if you're looking for any ideas.
Do you mean young dooku as a jedi?
@@lapplandkun9273 Yep I did.
Given the power level video of Qui-Gon Jinn Vs Darth Vader, there is no way someone who would be 20 times weaker than someone who last ten seconds in that fight with ten seconds being a generous number to give there, Qui-Gon would die in one hit in that fight, and Vader would only get that immensely power by either concentrated force power or by using his full power. The fact that a Darth Maul clone was able to put up a good fight against Vader in the legends continuity should indicate that Qui-Gon should not be that inferior to Vader in a fight and while do I understand why you guys aren't for ABC logic in Star Wars that doesn't mean ABC logic doesn't have credential in these matchups, meaning Qui-Gon could put up a better fight against suppressed Vader, who rarely uses his full power.
Damn that long ago?
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Alema Rar vs A’sharad Hett. Darth Malak vs Darth Baras.Roan Shryne vs Wild Sazen. Antares Draco vs Shado Vao. Beyghor Sahdett Vs Galen Marek. Starkiller( clone) vs Darth Malak.
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Who would win? Qui-Gon-Jinn, or Komari Vosa? Both characters were trained by Count Dooku in their Padawan years, so, imagine a meeting of the students in battle.
And, on top of that, how about Qui-Gon-Jinn versus Asaji Ventress, or Asaji Ventress versus Komari Vosa? Or, even, a three-way-battle between all three characters? Make a whole series of videos that Qui-Gon-Jinn fans would love.
Jinn should easily take Vosa who was always unstable and rather compromised as a duelist but loses a narrow majority to Ventress. He gives her a good fight but she's simply too agile, versatile and powerful in the Force for an aging Master like Qui Gon.
Against Vosa? I'd give it to Qui-Gon.
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Honest question is darth wredd vs warb null a viable match up or is it a obvious forgone conclusion I just finished rewatching your video of warb null vs k’kruhk
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Hello again Jensaarai. If you see this comment would you mind if i asked what happened to the Malgus vs Sora Bulq versus??????
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I’m in favor of Vader, but it’s honestly a lot closer than many would believe. Vader has quite a few examples of anti-feats, accolades and scaling, so much so that I think it would be wrong to ignore them. Vader has a lot of big wins, but quite a few losses, and if you go off of word of god quotes, Vader isn’t that overwhelmingly impressive at all. There are plenty of quotes from Lucas, Gillard, and the like which hurt Vader, such as calling him and Ben crippled old men in comparison to Prequels era Jedi, highly implying that Vader didn’t use the Force against Ben because the latter was more powerful (and going as far as to put Ben several tiers above Vader) and the like. Realistically, this should put Vader well below ROTS Kenobi, which is also supported by Vader basically losing to Resurrection Maul (yes he did kill Maul, but Maul was in control most of the fight).
Don’t get me wrong, Vader has his strengths, and you shouldn’t take what Lucas and his group said and blindly run with it, but it’s worth noting that they were the highest form of canon for the EU, so these statements shouldn’t be ignored either.
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I got a couple I was thinking obi wan vs darth vader specifically rots obi wan facing darth Vader form return of the Jedi or new hope ether or I’ve always wondered if obi wan would be able to win that fight on the Death Star if he was in his prime, galen marek vs asajj ventress they have a similar upbringing so it be cool to see who’s the stronger secret apprentice, Galen marek vs obi wan during revenge of the sith obi specifically that fight was unintentionally teased in forced unleashed so I’d like to see an actual conclusion and last but not least Zayne Carrick vs Cal Kestis or if not cal kestis vs the grand inquisitor aka (the only good villain in rebels that isn’t maul Vader thron or palpatine)
Galen marek vs obi wan during revenge of the sith obi specifically that fight was unintentionally teased in forced unleashed so I’d like to see an actual conclusion and last but not least Zayne
Kenobi wins. Galen was fighting proxy who was using the kenobi module and only won because he utilized his force abilities mixed in with saber combat against proxy kenobi. Galen isn't on kenobi level, much less his prime in ROTS
@@lapplandkun9273 true but I still think the fight would be close
I honestly think RUclipsrs need to stop using Qui-gon Jinn in versus videos simply because it's always one sided that he's going to lose in a fight he is definitely a great character story wise but in terms of combat skills he just isn't developed enough to have a chance of winning in a versus video
There's no way Jinn beats Vader he's older, and has less stamina than the big black machine.
Even if the explanation ends up being out of date.. And none of that is a given its hard to see how the outcome could be any different. Qui gons a monster but I don't see him beating vader.
Vader Rolfstomps lol
What do you think about Obi wan Kenobi vs Exar kun?
This match one was obvious. Qui Gon would not stand a chance against Darth Vader, even if he was in his physical prime.
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Mace windu vs count dooku
Exar Kun vs Darth Kryat?
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Dude Vader would stomp Qui-Gon
I love your videos been watching since I was a teenager. Just curious what happened to fanalysis.? I just watched the videos where you guys covered the plaguise novel and I was thinking to myself why so few videos like what happened?
GL has pretty blatantly said QGJ is above Vader and C-canon echos this. Coming to any other conclusion seems disingenuous.
He has never stated this at all. Where did he even state this?
I would love if you would talk about the philosophical differences these characters have and how they were formed or changed over time. Just doing a video over how one guy can beat up another guy. How they are swinging a saber or throwing punch is not as interesting as why they are taking these actions.
A lot of times I get the feeling you do not like to talk about character motivations , just did they hold that saber right!!!!!!!! Oh did he defend they way some old comic showed. Oh they did!!!!!!! Great great finally a good Star Wars story. You see that Jedi block!!!!!!!! This seems so ridiculous and childish.
Beg your pardon but I have to respectfully disagree. There is nothing childish or ridiculous about analysing a character's combative capabilities. It's just as valid a part of writing as anything else. I myself enjoy writing both fan-fiction and original fiction, and when it comes to writing fight scenes there is a lot of thought that needs to be put into them.
I need to ask myself, "how does this character fight? What are their strengths and weaknesses? What kind of training did he/she have? Does it fit their personality and mindset? How do I keep their portrayal consistent without being repetitive?" and so on. "How they are swinging a saber or throwing a punch" needs to fit the character's background. For example if the character is a Kung Fu expert then you need to ensure that they are using Kung Fu technique rather than Western boxing.
Again, determining a character's combative capabilities requires a lot of thought and effort. It is not childish or ridiculous in the slightest.
@@Wright805 Why they are physically fighting will always be more interesting than how. That’s just my opinion bud, you go ahead though and fantasize about how a man can beat on another man. I personally would hope you would get more out of Star Wars than just cool fighting. Yoda said wars not make one great. Maybe think why he’s saying that. Luke not killing his father and showing compassion for him after their fight in front of Palpatine. That’s bigger things to say than how a physical fight “should look”.
@@DandGBears Did I say otherwise? No I did not.
I get LOTS more out of Star Wars than "just cool fighting." Does that mean I can't enjoy said cool fighting or learn from it? No it does not.
I know why Yoda's saying that. Luke showing compassion for his father is why he's a great character. Again, did I say otherwise? No I did not.
Again, I love writing stories. I know there's "bigger things to say than how a physical fight “should look.” That doesn't make studying a character's combative capabilities ridiculous or childish. All you're doing is showing your own immaturity.
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