This idea that pep spends the most is false. Since he's been in England he's been outspent by both united and Chelsea. Arsenal have spent a lot in a short time and haven't won anything worthy of that investment. Arteta has spent more than city in the past few years. Arsenal need to start winning silverware to justify the spending
Yeah now do this with relevance of transfer fees when Pep came in vs now. They were spending £50m on defenders back in 2016, players at that price equate to 80-100mill now. Then look at their total wage expenditure vs Arsenal
@@ashugupta8037 didn't Arsenal spend 50 60 mil for Lacazet and Aubamayang each in 2017, also exchanges Sanchez for Mkhitarayan. They spent 80 on pepe the following years. People turn a blind eye on other clubs spending but blow city's spending out of proportions.
Nobody seems to understand what Symeou is saying, not even in the studio 😂😂😂 He's not talking about short-term spending for short-term gain.... He's simply pointing out that what you see now of Man City is Pep's ruthless spending over a long time getting his machine well-oiled..... Arteta isn't 4yrs at arsenal, it's 3yrs cause it was around new year when he started...
What spendings?? Are you telling me Salah, Mane, Firmino and Van Dijk are actually that cheap if money were the measuring stick for players abilities??
Dokus numbers are awful. 3 goals in 32 games? thats a 1 in 10 ratio? He has the same stats as Antony from United. Nowhere near even a good winger look. He just doesn't look absolutely shite (which he is) because he plays for city so they arent dependant on him
Before Arteta came into Arsenal, City have spent well over 2 billion dollars on transfers then.. Its only decency bias that people spend, but Arsenal have spent X, Y, Z more recently.
Pep inherited a billion pound squad and then spent a billion! not only but the whole staff receive brown envelopes. City is worth about 2 billion of spend, arsenal less than 1.
@@man.q I think you’re conflating ageing with average. Kompany, David Silva, Aguero, Yaya Toure……etc were the best players in the world. Not to mention young gems like sane, sterling, stones. It was a well built squad within a short period of time. Then Pep was given an open checkbook to buy and try players like mangala 50m, Nolito, Mendy 50m, De Bruyne. It has been money well spent but it has been money questionably obtained in such short period. There’s a reason Arsenal still can’t afford a top striker 5 years into building their squad.
Symeou on the point Pep spent double the money I think that can be misleading because Arteta’s probably spent close to a billion already and Pep has been in City since 2016 so of course the amount spent is gonna be higher he’s been there for close to 10 years now, running up to nigh on a decade now
Arsenal needed 23 players tbf. The team when Arteta took over was unbelievably poor. The marquee signings back then were Willian, Luiz etc. And before people say "they won the cup" etc. It's true, they did, but cups can be won with luck. Look at Liverpool winning 2001 FA cup, Arsenal winning 2005 FA cup, or even more recently Utd winning it last year by a millimetre vs Coventry in Semi Final
Here's the lineup for Arteta first match... Leno Saka Papasthotopoulous Luiz Mainland niles Xhaka Torreira Aubamayang Ozil Nelson Lacazette The Arsenal of today would beat that team 85 to 90 times every 100 matches
This is somewhat about optics. City can sign more “project-like” players because they don’t make that many signings. You work to embed one or two decent players into a culture after each window and you hope it works out. There are times when it doesn’t, but they were always moving in the market like that.
Pep has bought an entire team in a transfer window.. And that was 6 years ago. That's why every mancity is taking only last 5 years😂😂😂😂.. Can't complain also these fans just started watching football from 2012😂😂😂
@@legendaltair2733 what year was that bum. Season ticket hold3r for nearly 30 years seen it all from division 2 to TREBLE winners. If tour an Arsenal fan your n9t even part of the conversation. Turn up fro a few seasons as serial LOSERS and want the world to say your great. Your turd mate and yoir narrative arounr money spent is just jealousy. Come back when youve actually won a trophy then we can talk about players going down in history i dont get why thats so funny.
@@wayneholness6090 sp are Man City the only club im the leafue who cant have aspirations of winning trophies and challenging to be the best. Tell you what how aboutan City cant spend a penny until all you losers catch up would that be fair. What about the other 7 you tell me
When did money become the measuring stick for players' abilities?? My God! Haters need to stop using City's spendings to take the spotlight off their own failures and hide their jealousy of them.. Are you telling me if money was the marking stick for players abilities, do you think Grealish and Marguire would be £100M and £80M?? They're always using this excuses to mitigate and try to cope
It's getting boring now. In this world, if you want to win. You need to spend hundreds of millions. It's just a fact now. We need to stop going on about it.
Last season Arsenal came to city who had a weakened squad and still played for a point and played to not lose. If you want to be champions you don't play your title rivals to not lose. It's a mentality difference.
All this nonsense about who spent the most and net spend etc. it’s not just transfer fees that matter, agent fees, signing on fees and wages are often more than the transfer fee and all need to be taken into account
Can we get someome on here who knows what they are talking about please. I kmow i watched the Arsenal game and thought we can tear them apart on sunday!! Cmon blues
Harry Symeou always makes the same argument against ETH and Man Utd: context aside, ETH has spent money that demands a certain level of success. That's fair... but, when the same argument is made against Arteta and Arsenal, he won't put context aside.
@@amakky1989 ETH finished 8th, with a decimated squad, and still managed to win a second trophy in as many years... but we can't see that as work in progress? Harry Symeou insists that ETH should be sacked for the 8th place finish - refuses to the context of that 8th place finish. On 90min Football, he explicitly said injuries can't be an excuse for Utd finishing 8th but now he won't stop whinging about losing Martin Odegaard.
@@melvinnkwe It’s about the poor performances and drubbing ETH gets every now and then. It’s not purely for finishing 8th. Also he signed duds. Mate if you think Man Utd are heading in the right direction then good for you
Arteta has been there for 5 years, soon to be 8. arsenal should be further a head then they are after the Money they have spent. That’s a fact! No squad depth or quality is just poor management after 3/4 of a billion
Your math isn’t the best is it, how does 4.5 years soon become 8 years! 😂🤦🏾♂️ And Tottenham, Chelsea and Man U have all spent either more or similar amounts to Arteta but none of their clubs have won a major in the past 3 years, why ain’t they further ahead, winning titles and CL’s if it’s all down to money, hilarious! 😂
When looking at net spend, use a bigger window, otherwise it lacks meaning. And look at wages, agent fee, transfer fee, etc. Arsenal have spent way lower compared to likes of man city and liverpool in last 10 years. The difference is even bigger if you look at last 20 years. Context matters! This argument by the man city fan is meaningless and borderline misinformation.
If thats an argument then, how about in the early 2000s was arsenal cheating man city, arsenal spent more .and in the 90s was man utds treble cheating. Hypocrits. Calculate all of arsenals transfers since premier league began and compare it.
Why compare Arteta spend with city, Arsenal build new whole squad.. when Guardiola came they already have core good player at city.. different dimension.. now they gonna say net spend, its because they already build their academy team long time ago to be their cow cash.. they buy another club too, so they can got more link on many good player ..
Not spend 😂 Arsenal had to pay some of their players to leave a few years ago. City net spend is tainted by the 115 because a lot of those players they sold for big money would never have been at the club if it wasn’t for their dodgy contracts
I know Arsenal fans hate facts but perhaps Harry should learn a few: firstly, how Harry is framing it is wrong. Of course Pep will have spent more than Arteta as he’s been at City nearly 4 years longer than Arteta has been at Arsenal. Harry is making a false equivalency So let’s compare what each manager has spent since Arteta has arrived at Arsenal. Super Duper Mik has spent £681.8m while Pep has spent £532.5m and both values are gross (net is a made up metric but if you want to go there, Arsenal have also spent more on a net basis too). Some might say that it’s not fair bc Pep has been at City longer and is a checkbook manager. Ok. Let look at how much each team has spent since Pep arrived at City in order to have a fair comparison, since 2016 City have spent £1.184b while Arsenal have spent £1.178b (again, both in gross terms). So this idea that Pep has far outspent Arteta only works if you’re being disingenuous (as Harry was) comparing 2 different lengths of time - Peps nearly 9 yes vs Arteta nearly 5yrs. Then let’s look at what counts the most and why owners spend so much: trophy return on money spent. Comparing Artetas time at Arsenal he’s spent £681.8m and won 1 FA cup; over the same time period, Pep has spent £532.5m and won 4 PLs, 1 CL, 1 FA, 1 Club World Cup and 1 Super cup and 2 League Cups. So Pep has spent roughly £150m less and won 9 more trophies. If you want to look over the time period since Pep came to City having spent £1.184b, 6 PLs, 1 CL, 2 FA, 1 Club World Cup and 1 Super cup and 4 League Cups While Arsenal have spent £1.178m and won 2 FA Cups So City have spent £6m more than Arsenal yet they’ve won 13 more trophies. And on a trophy/money spent ratio City is £78.99m/trophy while Arsenal is £589m/trophy. Yikes!
Arsenal fans pointing out pep buying keeper when arteta bought Ramsdale, raya, matt turner, runnerson and neto on loan.😂😂
Bravo still got city a trophy
This city fan opitimises Man city; logical, realistic, knowledgeable. Arsenal guy is waffling baesd on emotions.
How ya dope? 😅
@@gunnermac1971 watch the video again, if still can't see it, then I guess you're a lost cause as well.
@@man.q dope 😅
@@gunnermac1971Man City fans will never be relevant let them talk to them selves bro 🤣
This idea that pep spends the most is false. Since he's been in England he's been outspent by both united and Chelsea. Arsenal have spent a lot in a short time and haven't won anything worthy of that investment. Arteta has spent more than city in the past few years. Arsenal need to start winning silverware to justify the spending
Yeah now do this with relevance of transfer fees when Pep came in vs now. They were spending £50m on defenders back in 2016, players at that price equate to 80-100mill now. Then look at their total wage expenditure vs Arsenal
Money spent isn’t just transfer fees. It’s agent fees, signing on fees and wages. All of this should be looked at when looking at money spent
Also when pep came to City the squad was in a great place, he wasn’t walking into Everton….
@@ashugupta8037 didn't Arsenal spend 50 60 mil for Lacazet and Aubamayang each in 2017, also exchanges Sanchez for Mkhitarayan.
They spent 80 on pepe the following years. People turn a blind eye on other clubs spending but blow city's spending out of proportions.
Pep inherited galaticos at City ffs 😂
If Harry serious? Pep has won silverware while spending money and the same can’t be said the same about Arteta.
Nobody seems to understand what Symeou is saying, not even in the studio 😂😂😂
He's not talking about short-term spending for short-term gain....
He's simply pointing out that what you see now of Man City is Pep's ruthless spending over a long time getting his machine well-oiled.....
Arteta isn't 4yrs at arsenal, it's 3yrs cause it was around new year when he started...
What spendings?? Are you telling me Salah, Mane, Firmino and Van Dijk are actually that cheap if money were the measuring stick for players abilities??
Arteta has no responsibility to win the game. City are at home and onus is on them
No responsibility to win the league you mean. That rests on City too
City have spent wisely 85% of the time and gotten value for investment. Look it up. Akanji, Ake, Doku most recently.
Dokus numbers are awful. 3 goals in 32 games? thats a 1 in 10 ratio? He has the same stats as Antony from United. Nowhere near even a good winger look. He just doesn't look absolutely shite (which he is) because he plays for city so they arent dependant on him
City have spent nearly £3 billion. I’ve got 115 reasons why they win everything.
For the same period that Artetta’s been at Arsenal , he’s spent much more than Pep .
That’s why he came in with Arsenal struggling to be 8th and city comfortably champions.
Before Arteta came into Arsenal, City have spent well over 2 billion dollars on transfers then.. Its only decency bias that people spend, but Arsenal have spent X, Y, Z more recently.
Pep inherited a billion pound squad and then spent a billion! not only but the whole staff receive brown envelopes. City is worth about 2 billion of spend, arsenal less than 1.
Pep Guardiola inherited an aging squad, he sold more than half the squad 🤷🏿 it wasn't a great squad.
@@man.q I think you’re conflating ageing with average. Kompany, David Silva, Aguero, Yaya Toure……etc were the best players in the world. Not to mention young gems like sane, sterling, stones. It was a well built squad within a short period of time. Then Pep was given an open checkbook to buy and try players like mangala 50m, Nolito, Mendy 50m, De Bruyne. It has been money well spent but it has been money questionably obtained in such short period. There’s a reason Arsenal still can’t afford a top striker 5 years into building their squad.
Rory “Arsenal have to win”, also Rory when the host predicts Arsenal to win “don’t be crazy” 😂
Symeou on the point Pep spent double the money I think that can be misleading because Arteta’s probably spent close to a billion already and Pep has been in City since 2016 so of course the amount spent is gonna be higher he’s been there for close to 10 years now, running up to nigh on a decade now
Arsenal needed 23 players tbf. The team when Arteta took over was unbelievably poor. The marquee signings back then were Willian, Luiz etc.
And before people say "they won the cup" etc. It's true, they did, but cups can be won with luck. Look at Liverpool winning 2001 FA cup, Arsenal winning 2005 FA cup, or even more recently Utd winning it last year by a millimetre vs Coventry in Semi Final
Here's the lineup for Arteta first match...
Leno
Saka
Papasthotopoulous
Luiz
Mainland niles
Xhaka
Torreira
Aubamayang
Ozil
Nelson
Lacazette
The Arsenal of today would beat that team 85 to 90 times every 100 matches
850 million zero pl!!
@@irieite9666 stop waffling 850 million to buy players, bought players nothing won!!! pep spend money and won everything in his first 6 years you
Pep never went for a draw at home vs Liverpool now we’re gonna do it vs arsenal 👀
City fan makes good points about the game on Sunday. Again its down to arsenal to show how much they want it.
Not at all. A draw is better than a loss
This is somewhat about optics. City can sign more “project-like” players because they don’t make that many signings. You work to embed one or two decent players into a culture after each window and you hope it works out. There are times when it doesn’t, but they were always moving in the market like that.
Do you want the league Arsenal? This loser mentality that is coming from Arsenal fans is crazy
😂😂😂😂
@@TheMercWithMouth Crazy how this fanbase has the chance of topping the league but dont want it
@@GermanChickenwingwhat do you want? A hard luck story for city? You’ve had it easy
@@wayneholness6090 What? What are you talking about?
@@wayneholness6090lmao yeah we had it easy in the championship, or that Shaun Goater moment against Gillingham. Stop waffling
Well said Kothari spot on bro. Over the last 5 years man city are 11th for net spend Harry the plum is talking Arsenal toilet as per.
What about the other 7?
@@wayneholness6090prat
Pep has bought an entire team in a transfer window.. And that was 6 years ago. That's why every mancity is taking only last 5 years😂😂😂😂.. Can't complain also these fans just started watching football from 2012😂😂😂
@@legendaltair2733 what year was that bum. Season ticket hold3r for nearly 30 years seen it all from division 2 to TREBLE winners. If tour an Arsenal fan your n9t even part of the conversation. Turn up fro a few seasons as serial LOSERS and want the world to say your great. Your turd mate and yoir narrative arounr money spent is just jealousy. Come back when youve actually won a trophy then we can talk about players going down in history i dont get why thats so funny.
@@wayneholness6090 sp are Man City the only club im the leafue who cant have aspirations of winning trophies and challenging to be the best. Tell you what how aboutan City cant spend a penny until all you losers catch up would that be fair. What about the other 7 you tell me
A fan debate. Newsworthy. Great “content”
When did money become the measuring stick for players' abilities?? My God! Haters need to stop using City's spendings to take the spotlight off their own failures and hide their jealousy of them..
Are you telling me if money was the marking stick for players abilities, do you think Grealish and Marguire would be £100M and £80M?? They're always using this excuses to mitigate and try to cope
100% m8
Nothing to do with money lads eh? Deluded
English football fans in a nutshell, all victims
It's getting boring now. In this world, if you want to win. You need to spend hundreds of millions. It's just a fact now. We need to stop going on about it.
@@eL--RaL mate your on loads of other City videos talking them down make your mind up
This is so stupid guys, Arteta had to start the team from scratch how can you compare City and Arsenal guys.
Last season Arsenal came to city who had a weakened squad and still played for a point and played to not lose. If you want to be champions you don't play your title rivals to not lose. It's a mentality difference.
lol city drew with the brilliant inter and arsenal drew with err atalanta and were out played
"Spending..." Buying.." yeah yeah, look at the players City sell each year aswell!
Arsenal first 11 actually costs more then man citys so there shouldnt be any complaints when arsenal lose this weekend
All this nonsense about who spent the most and net spend etc. it’s not just transfer fees that matter, agent fees, signing on fees and wages are often more than the transfer fee and all need to be taken into account
Can we get someome on here who knows what they are talking about please. I kmow i watched the Arsenal game and thought we can tear them apart on sunday!! Cmon blues
Good luck with that!
Harry Symeou always makes the same argument against ETH and Man Utd: context aside, ETH has spent money that demands a certain level of success. That's fair... but, when the same argument is made against Arteta and Arsenal, he won't put context aside.
Bro he never said ETH needs to win the league. But surely you don’t think finishing 8th is a success!!
@@amakky1989 ETH finished 8th, with a decimated squad, and still managed to win a second trophy in as many years... but we can't see that as work in progress?
Harry Symeou insists that ETH should be sacked for the 8th place finish - refuses to the context of that 8th place finish. On 90min Football, he explicitly said injuries can't be an excuse for Utd finishing 8th but now he won't stop whinging about losing Martin Odegaard.
@@melvinnkwe It’s about the poor performances and drubbing ETH gets every now and then. It’s not purely for finishing 8th. Also he signed duds. Mate if you think Man Utd are heading in the right direction then good for you
Man united fan arguing is like a pig in sheeet. (Bruno at old Trafford) captain😂😂😂😂😂 they love there sheeet
Arteta has been there for 5 years, soon to be 8. arsenal should be further a head then they are after the Money they have spent. That’s a fact! No squad depth or quality is just poor management after 3/4 of a billion
Your math isn’t the best is it, how does 4.5 years soon become 8 years! 😂🤦🏾♂️ And Tottenham, Chelsea and Man U have all spent either more or similar amounts to Arteta but none of their clubs have won a major in the past 3 years, why ain’t they further ahead, winning titles and CL’s if it’s all down to money, hilarious! 😂
Arteta spent 700 mil in 5 years hardly breaking the bank ffs
The City fan made about 115 good points 😮
Look at the academy players Mancity are feeding the league
When looking at net spend, use a bigger window, otherwise it lacks meaning. And look at wages, agent fee, transfer fee, etc. Arsenal have spent way lower compared to likes of man city and liverpool in last 10 years. The difference is even bigger if you look at last 20 years. Context matters! This argument by the man city fan is meaningless and borderline misinformation.
surely pep been there twice of long so pep would of spent more ,harrys argument does not stand
the bank of england club fan saying you have spent to much get to this level....oh my days
If thats an argument then, how about in the early 2000s was arsenal cheating man city, arsenal spent more
.and in the 90s was man utds treble cheating.
Hypocrits. Calculate all of arsenals transfers since premier league began and compare it.
Arsenal have literally spent more since Arteta joined
Wonder when he started supporting city.
Arsenal gave us £88 million for Jesus and zinchenko ffs 😂
The charges against Man City have no relevance to the players on the pitch or trophies won.
Try telling that to salty Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal fans, they all think the likes of Kdb and Haaland are dodgy accountants
Sorry did city only start spending in the last 5 years
Fans are just like the owners deflecters
Arsenal should be used to Th-Sun from their many Europa League years
Harry get a grip mate
Klop and jose didn't win at Etihad why are people making up false info to to try play arsenal down is mad how arsenal rattles everyone
Always funny to watch waffle from arsenal fans 🤣
Man city brought some arsenal best players greedy rats pisses me off
Yes. Arsenal couldn't keep them. Man city just took whoever then wanted.
Why compare Arteta spend with city, Arsenal build new whole squad.. when Guardiola came they already have core good player at city.. different dimension.. now they gonna say net spend, its because they already build their academy team long time ago to be their cow cash.. they buy another club too, so they can got more link on many good player ..
Context is everything. They won’t make that point also arsenal did spend a lot to go for the title they have to win
Surprised they managed to find a city fan
Not spend 😂 Arsenal had to pay some of their players to leave a few years ago. City net spend is tainted by the 115 because a lot of those players they sold for big money would never have been at the club if it wasn’t for their dodgy contracts
Well done Harry
Well done harry 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who says we are going for a draw ? 😂😂😂😂
Keep underestimating us.
I know Arsenal fans hate facts but perhaps Harry should learn a few: firstly, how Harry is framing it is wrong. Of course Pep will have spent more than Arteta as he’s been at City nearly 4 years longer than Arteta has been at Arsenal. Harry is making a false equivalency
So let’s compare what each manager has spent since Arteta has arrived at Arsenal. Super Duper Mik has spent £681.8m while Pep has spent £532.5m and both values are gross (net is a made up metric but if you want to go there, Arsenal have also spent more on a net basis too).
Some might say that it’s not fair bc Pep has been at City longer and is a checkbook manager. Ok. Let look at how much each team has spent since Pep arrived at City in order to have a fair comparison, since 2016 City have spent £1.184b while Arsenal have spent £1.178b (again, both in gross terms). So this idea that Pep has far outspent Arteta only works if you’re being disingenuous (as Harry was) comparing 2 different lengths of time - Peps nearly 9 yes vs Arteta nearly 5yrs.
Then let’s look at what counts the most and why owners spend so much: trophy return on money spent. Comparing Artetas time at Arsenal he’s spent £681.8m and won 1 FA cup; over the same time period, Pep has spent £532.5m and won 4 PLs, 1 CL, 1 FA, 1 Club World Cup and 1 Super cup and 2 League Cups. So Pep has spent roughly £150m less and won 9 more trophies.
If you want to look over the time period since Pep came to City having spent £1.184b, 6 PLs, 1 CL, 2 FA, 1 Club World Cup and 1 Super cup and 4 League Cups
While Arsenal have spent £1.178m and won 2 FA Cups
So City have spent £6m more than Arsenal yet they’ve won 13 more trophies. And on a trophy/money spent ratio City is £78.99m/trophy while Arsenal is £589m/trophy. Yikes!
City fan was talking facts looool 🤣