This problem could be fixed. The problem is, it will take technical skill and time. Whoever does it will be doing so on their own time just for the fun of it. Then you have to find out that someone has ported a better/faster emulator to the thing and then figure out how to install it. The SNES, even with a Super FX 2 chip is 30 year old technology. The Super FX chip was available at launch of the SNES. The FX2 chip is only a minor upgrade to it. What emulator you are using makes a huge difference. Some are designed 100% around accuracy and speed is not a huge concern. Others will eschew accuracy and compatibility for speed so that it will run some of the hard game at full speed, while others will crash.
@@handheldgaming4life Do you know what chip set is in it? I quick google came up blank. I just have a hard time believing you can find a new SOC for sale in 2023 that cannot handle emulating a SNES even with the FX2 chip running a decent emulator. Low end chips from 12 years ago can do it.
@@tarstarkusz From Vonmillhausen - "the community has determined that it's a HCSEMI B210, a single-core MIPS processor running at 810 MHz (or 918 MHz with the 1.6 firmware onwards). It appears to be a clone of an ALi Tech chip."
Got my Sf2000 yesterday from Ali Express. It seems to be the latest firmware 1.7.1. At one time, I was testing precisely this game and it had terrible screen tearing and it didn't run well like this. I actually liked it a lot for a 20 dollar console, but this Multicore seems very promising making it even more worth it.
I believe the multicore is a hack that runs on 1.6 firmware rather than 1.7.1. 👌. Latest version of multicore is the best yet but as you'll see still struggles to get decent FPS. But the tearing is mostly gone and range of platforms has increased.
If this thing gets really popular, all the problems should be fixed. The problem is, there are so many of these machines now, all running different chips and different emulators that there is no one big one that everyone has. The emulators used makes a HUGE difference. To give you an idea of what a difference the emulator makes, back in 2006 the open source GP2X handheld was released. It was very popular for the time. We started with Dr MD and Genesis games not really running full speed even when overclocked to 220mhz and ended with PICODrive (a different Genesis emulator) running every Genesis game at a solid 60fps with 16bit 44.1khz stereo sound while the GP2X could be under-clocked to save battery. He even got Virtua Racing running full speed with stereo 16bit sound. Virtua racing has a chip in it similar to the Super FX chip. Hopefully this thing will continue to be popular and get a large base so that more developers start looking at it. All of these retro game consoles and computers are extremely primitive compared to today's hardware. Even a 1 Dollar system on a chip (SOC) should be able to accurately emulate every one of these old systems up to the PSX.
That'll be because they're 50hz rather than 60hz. But as I've found, now that you can then on an FPS counter. What "feels" ok is often as low as mid 20s. I'm not an FPS snob. So long as it's fairly fluid I'm ok, but that usually means at least 30fps and stable. So yoyo-ing from 19fps to low 40s feels bad.
Hi, thanks for the info! I have ordered my SF2000 and have been watching videos on how to upgrade to the multicore system. I plan to do this on a new SD card . Will the download of multicore have the games also? thanks
Multicore doesn't come with Roms. Personally I'd say save your money and try to get a Trimui Model S. Funkier design, better performance and if you shop wisely you can get it for the same price as SF2000.
I have some great results with heatpads on the processor and memory. It's overclock but there is nothing to cool it. I have the foam heatpads but think if you glue a coin on it it will be better. Lookout there ain't no room fore big cooling blocks
I think it is a big improvement to the early original fw and even an update to the last version that i had. Screen brightness control would be great for the future 😂
I agree its a bit improvement, but still the FPS isn't great. I just don't understand all the people claiming "it runs at full speed for me" when now there is an FPS counter its clear its not full speed. The screen tearing fix is very welcome though.
@@handheldgaming4life i got a lot of different Handhelds, so i know the difference. But when you can't compare it the people say it's fine. It's like driving in cars. I'am from Germany and fast starts with 250km/h and more, because im used to fast speed. 😉
@@handheldgaming4life I do believe the screen tearing fix slows the system down slightly, however even then it still would'nt run at full speed in Yoshi's Island as you have demonstrated. We just have to accept that's always gonna be the case with this device. The dev's have done a great job squeezing everything out of it they can. For the price I paid I love mine. Its more down to the form factor. Its pockatable & comfortable to hold & cheap enough if I lose or break it I can just buy another one. I own much more expensive devices but always end up carrying the SF2000 with me.
The problem I have with my SF2000 i can’t save game progress I try to load where I left and it crashes every time did it get a defect or dose anyone else have this issue
would you be able to test super mario advance 2? (super mario world) the snes version of the game is playable enough imo even if a bit laggy, but the gba version is terrible. i want to know whether or not i did something wrong or if it's just worse with the gba. i prefer the gba version and it's a bummer i can't play it on the froggy
@@handheldgaming4life it might also be worth trying the gba port of yoshi's island as well, it *might* run better than the snes version but i'm not sure. either way i'm looking forward to it!
@@jumbo999614 There isn't a new GUI as such. The Multicore sits on top of the V1.6 firmware that you download from Datafrog. You burn that image to the SD card then copy the Multicore alpha over it.
Multicore .10 is definitely a big improvement, especially over stock FW (and a very easy upgrade), its not perfect at all but honestly if you want something almost indestructible to give your young kids to play sonic on.... THIS is the device.
Not sure it's indestructible. Pretty sure one drop on a hard surface would explode the whole unit.😂 But at least the fire hazard battery is screwed in. I've got a video in the works with cheap but good alternatives. Although one is just as fragile but can be strengthened up with 3M VHB tape. The market is really opening up with some great cheap alternatives.
@bigstreetguns6619 It plays Nes, MD/Genesis, GB, GBC, and Arcade pretty well. Some Arcade games have sound stuttering but seem to be playing at full speed. Nes and MD are full speed or very close. If you install mutlicore 0.10 PC-Engine plays really well. PC-E CD and Sega -Cd also run well. SNES and GBA have issues but a lot of SNES games play fine. I was playing through Super Metroid and it was good. Keep in mind this device is $10 - $20 and not $60 - $100 so don't expect amazing quality.
Personally I'd say you can't go wrong with the Miyoo mini+. Anbernic RG35XX is also a good option and if you buy the older version of it it's pretty cheap too.
15 years ago I possessed an emulator device called "Gemei A30". It could not run SNES well but at least most GBA games were fine. It's sad a device made in 2024 cannot be better than my cheap Gemei A30 from 15 years ago.
Yeah but it's only $10. 🤢😂. I totally agree. It's 2024, we shouldn't be settling for something that was barely acceptable 10years ago just because it's cheap. On that note I've got something arriving today that will destroy the SF2000 for performance and is only 3x more expensive.😉. And it's an even more iconic design.
@@handheldgaming4life Look at the specs of the Gemei A330: CPU - CC1800, ARM-11 @ 600 MHz (Under-clocked to 500 MHz) RAM - 64MB Internal Storage - 4GB NAND The specs of the Datafrog sf2000: .CPU: SL4350 1G Dual-core CPU .RAM: 1GB The GemeiA330 wasn't a very powerful device in terms of hardware but it was able to do GBA emulation better than the Datafrog, I dunno how.
@@danilomenoli The SF2000 isn't 1Ghz dual core, and haven't got that amount of ram by any means. The CPU is HCSEMI B210 1-core running at 918Mhz (starting from fw 1.6) and the amount of RAM is 128MB (1Gbit). But even so, it is faster than the Gemei A330. But as usual, unpolished software makes things way worse, because if we had access to a native CFW using Retroarch even some easy to run PS1 games would be playable. It was released on 2023, we need to give it time, maybe 1-2 years :)
It's just a standard electronics film that comes on a lot of devices. I don't think anyone was claiming it was supposed to be an actual screen protector.
@@hatoriihanzou I have seen many trying to claim it is an actual screen protector, but I agree its not. My screen looked so much better when I removed it.
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This problem could be fixed. The problem is, it will take technical skill and time. Whoever does it will be doing so on their own time just for the fun of it. Then you have to find out that someone has ported a better/faster emulator to the thing and then figure out how to install it. The SNES, even with a Super FX 2 chip is 30 year old technology. The Super FX chip was available at launch of the SNES. The FX2 chip is only a minor upgrade to it.
What emulator you are using makes a huge difference. Some are designed 100% around accuracy and speed is not a huge concern. Others will eschew accuracy and compatibility for speed so that it will run some of the hard game at full speed, while others will crash.
The CPU is weak more than emulators being poor.
@@handheldgaming4life Do you know what chip set is in it? I quick google came up blank.
I just have a hard time believing you can find a new SOC for sale in 2023 that cannot handle emulating a SNES even with the FX2 chip running a decent emulator. Low end chips from 12 years ago can do it.
@@tarstarkusz From Vonmillhausen - "the community has determined that it's a HCSEMI B210, a single-core MIPS processor running at 810 MHz (or 918 MHz with the 1.6 firmware onwards). It appears to be a clone of an ALi Tech chip."
Got my Sf2000 yesterday from Ali Express. It seems to be the latest firmware 1.7.1. At one time, I was testing precisely this game and it had terrible screen tearing and it didn't run well like this.
I actually liked it a lot for a 20 dollar console, but this Multicore seems very promising making it even more worth it.
I believe the multicore is a hack that runs on 1.6 firmware rather than 1.7.1. 👌. Latest version of multicore is the best yet but as you'll see still struggles to get decent FPS. But the tearing is mostly gone and range of platforms has increased.
If this thing gets really popular, all the problems should be fixed. The problem is, there are so many of these machines now, all running different chips and different emulators that there is no one big one that everyone has. The emulators used makes a HUGE difference.
To give you an idea of what a difference the emulator makes, back in 2006 the open source GP2X handheld was released. It was very popular for the time. We started with Dr MD and Genesis games not really running full speed even when overclocked to 220mhz and ended with PICODrive (a different Genesis emulator) running every Genesis game at a solid 60fps with 16bit 44.1khz stereo sound while the GP2X could be under-clocked to save battery. He even got Virtua Racing running full speed with stereo 16bit sound. Virtua racing has a chip in it similar to the Super FX chip.
Hopefully this thing will continue to be popular and get a large base so that more developers start looking at it.
All of these retro game consoles and computers are extremely primitive compared to today's hardware. Even a 1 Dollar system on a chip (SOC) should be able to accurately emulate every one of these old systems up to the PSX.
You can leave the plastic film screen protector on
The Green pull tab is held by adhesive.
Yeah I've finally done just that. 👍
I've heard today that Europe roms run well, but I haven't tested it.
That'll be because they're 50hz rather than 60hz. But as I've found, now that you can then on an FPS counter. What "feels" ok is often as low as mid 20s. I'm not an FPS snob. So long as it's fairly fluid I'm ok, but that usually means at least 30fps and stable. So yoyo-ing from 19fps to low 40s feels bad.
@@handheldgaming4life Thanks for the info!
Hi, thanks for the info!
I have ordered my SF2000 and have been watching videos on how to upgrade to the multicore system. I plan to do this on a new SD card . Will the download of multicore have the games also? thanks
Multicore doesn't come with Roms. Personally I'd say save your money and try to get a Trimui Model S. Funkier design, better performance and if you shop wisely you can get it for the same price as SF2000.
I have some great results with heatpads on the processor and memory. It's overclock but there is nothing to cool it. I have the foam heatpads but think if you glue a coin on it it will be better. Lookout there ain't no room fore big cooling blocks
What do these great results translate to in FPS increases.
Why when i save game on pc engine game the picture file mixed up with snes save game, does anyone experience the same problem?
Think this is a limitation of the hacked OS. It's not a very capable handheld.
How did does Star Fox 1 & 2 run? ⭐ 🦊
Starwing in UK.
Also Doom, Dirt Racer, Dirt Track FX, Vortex, and Winter Gold.
I think it is a big improvement to the early original fw and even an update to the last version that i had. Screen brightness control would be great for the future 😂
I agree its a bit improvement, but still the FPS isn't great. I just don't understand all the people claiming "it runs at full speed for me" when now there is an FPS counter its clear its not full speed. The screen tearing fix is very welcome though.
@@handheldgaming4life i got a lot of different Handhelds, so i know the difference. But when you can't compare it the people say it's fine. It's like driving in cars. I'am from Germany and fast starts with 250km/h and more, because im used to fast speed. 😉
@@handheldgaming4life I do believe the screen tearing fix slows the system down slightly, however even then it still would'nt run at full speed in Yoshi's Island as you have demonstrated. We just have to accept that's always gonna be the case with this device. The dev's have done a great job squeezing everything out of it they can. For the price I paid I love mine. Its more down to the form factor. Its pockatable & comfortable to hold & cheap enough if I lose or break it I can just buy another one. I own much more expensive devices but always end up carrying the SF2000 with me.
The problem I have with my SF2000 i can’t save game progress I try to load where I left and it crashes every time did it get a defect or dose anyone else have this issue
i've made save states before and they've worked. But I didn't use the cheap provided SD card, perhaps that's your issue?
would you be able to test super mario advance 2? (super mario world) the snes version of the game is playable enough imo even if a bit laggy, but the gba version is terrible. i want to know whether or not i did something wrong or if it's just worse with the gba. i prefer the gba version and it's a bummer i can't play it on the froggy
Sure! I'll attempt to post a short video during the week with my experience.
@@handheldgaming4life it might also be worth trying the gba port of yoshi's island as well, it *might* run better than the snes version but i'm not sure. either way i'm looking forward to it!
just format SD to fat32 and copy download files/folders to it?
its a single SD card setup, you need to have the boot files on the card. But yeah, its just a format and dump the files recovery.
@@handheldgaming4life The console start without any problem.
I get all new GUI but it won't load any games.
@@jumbo999614 There isn't a new GUI as such. The Multicore sits on top of the V1.6 firmware that you download from Datafrog. You burn that image to the SD card then copy the Multicore alpha over it.
@@handheldgaming4life Thank you for replying. Now I'm able to load games.
Can I add games using Tadpole on Purple Neo 0.10?
@@jumbo999614 I've not tried Purple Neo. But its something I might look into. 👍
how do you turn on the fps counter?
You need to edit the multicore.opt file on the SD card with a PC, its switched off by default so switch to on and then reinsert the card. 👍
Multicore .10 is definitely a big improvement, especially over stock FW (and a very easy upgrade), its not perfect at all but honestly if you want something almost indestructible to give your young kids to play sonic on.... THIS is the device.
Not sure it's indestructible. Pretty sure one drop on a hard surface would explode the whole unit.😂 But at least the fire hazard battery is screwed in.
I've got a video in the works with cheap but good alternatives. Although one is just as fragile but can be strengthened up with 3M VHB tape.
The market is really opening up with some great cheap alternatives.
So what systems can it emulate now with full speed?
8 Bit will be fine, wouldn't be any point pushing to 16bit unless you prefer your games to run sub original FPS.
@bigstreetguns6619 It plays Nes, MD/Genesis, GB, GBC, and Arcade pretty well. Some Arcade games have sound stuttering but seem to be playing at full speed. Nes and MD are full speed or very close. If you install mutlicore 0.10 PC-Engine plays really well. PC-E CD and Sega -Cd also run well. SNES and GBA have issues but a lot of SNES games play fine. I was playing through Super Metroid and it was good. Keep in mind this device is $10 - $20 and not $60 - $100 so don't expect amazing quality.
So what a good 16 bit + GBA machine?
Personally I'd say you can't go wrong with the Miyoo mini+. Anbernic RG35XX is also a good option and if you buy the older version of it it's pretty cheap too.
@@handheldgaming4life which costs almost 100$ in comparison to the 16 eur I paid in the Datafrog.
Just checked, right now, you can get a MM+ for £39 without even searching on AliExpress right now. So no where near $100. 🤷
15 years ago I possessed an emulator device called "Gemei A30". It could not run SNES well but at least most GBA games were fine. It's sad a device made in 2024 cannot be better than my cheap Gemei A30 from 15 years ago.
Yeah but it's only $10. 🤢😂. I totally agree. It's 2024, we shouldn't be settling for something that was barely acceptable 10years ago just because it's cheap.
On that note I've got something arriving today that will destroy the SF2000 for performance and is only 3x more expensive.😉. And it's an even more iconic design.
@@handheldgaming4life Look at the specs of the Gemei A330:
CPU - CC1800, ARM-11 @ 600 MHz (Under-clocked to 500 MHz)
RAM - 64MB
Internal Storage - 4GB NAND
The specs of the Datafrog sf2000:
.CPU: SL4350 1G Dual-core CPU
.RAM: 1GB
The GemeiA330 wasn't a very powerful device in terms of hardware but it was able to do GBA emulation better than the Datafrog, I dunno how.
@@danilomenoli The SF2000 isn't 1Ghz dual core, and haven't got that amount of ram by any means. The CPU is HCSEMI B210 1-core running at 918Mhz (starting from fw 1.6) and the amount of RAM is 128MB (1Gbit). But even so, it is faster than the Gemei A330. But as usual, unpolished software makes things way worse, because if we had access to a native CFW using Retroarch even some easy to run PS1 games would be playable. It was released on 2023, we need to give it time, maybe 1-2 years :)
Did you know that piece of plastic in the topleft corner is not a screenprotector? its just a tiny piece of plastic, a fake screen protector, lol.
Is it... I left it attached as I literally fling the SF2000 into a drawer after I've tested each update. Presumed it was a tab on a protector. 🤣
It's just a standard electronics film that comes on a lot of devices. I don't think anyone was claiming it was supposed to be an actual screen protector.
@@hatoriihanzou I have seen many trying to claim it is an actual screen protector, but I agree its not. My screen looked so much better when I removed it.
I keep it on as I take mine to work in my rucksack and it will get scratched up. An accidental screen protector 😁