Watch Part 1 on the crazy printer used for this insane print here: ruclips.net/video/JqIZqXl464c/видео.html All static parts like the AB motor drives, AB idlers, Z-drive and more were printed from EXTRUDR'S ASA CARBON FIBER. Get 20%(!) DISCOUNT with code "EX_247PRINTING" at www.extrudr.com/ Dry their ASA CF out of the box to get the best results! For example with the awesome EIBOS filament dryer (affiliate link, 21% discount atm): amzn.to/3BX1Lqm
id really like to see what you do to a annex engineering k3 😮seems like a more rigid setup than the v0 , wich should allow for faster prints also you could drill aditional holes into the linear rail on the gantry, a 3d printer doesnt need the strength it offers and since its steel it would reduce weight quite a bit🤔
Ever thought about counter balance on the boom weight? Driven on each side in opposite directions by extra motor, so no mass added to print system? Should run on same signal out, just have own driver and stepper. Just to help with quality without speed penalty 🤓🤔
@@Cretan-un6ul okay should i upload a timelapd of a bench its about 4 seconds long or should I upload a timepöaps of a poop shute its a big print and guess what 12 seconds long
To be fair this is what all FDM prints looked like in the very early days so it is incredible that it's possible to produce the quality of those early prints at these crazy speeds now.
@@thewatcher9778 The reality is it'll never get to that point. The material properties (and thus the cooling requirements) will never support this speed with high quality.
I think the MOST exciting thing about this video is that it is SO easy to share! When friends or family ask what’s so cool about 3D printing, this mind bendingly fast print can easily be viewed without skipping or looking for the amazing part. They can see the whole process and be really impressed! TYVM, this is truly an achievement for the whole community and I know it will inspire others to start 3D printing! ❤️❤️❤️
Are you kidding me/us? When friends and family ask you about 3D printing, you will show them this ugly abomination of a part? That's an absolute waste of filament, whatever you print at these speeds can only be thrown away. Looks like crap, mechanical properties like crap, will not fit to any other parts - oh my god. What inspiration should this be for 3D printing newbs? I cannot believe anybody would want to 3D print anything after seeing this. Looks like the result from a printer 40 years ago to somebody without proper explanation and "expectation management". Just speed up any other video which produces something presentable and show it to them. It is maybe a milestone of speedbenchy engineering but not usable to convince anybody that 3D printing is useful and a production-ready technology.
@@Freakyprinter Most that want to see how a 3D printer works don’t want a 15min time lapse… of course you can see pretty prints in pics anywhere. Your lack of insight and perspective is appalling. Obviously many things can inspire and Short pretty time lapses are everywhere on social media, EVERYONE has seen those. This is Unique, technical, and impressive in a way rarely seen or available in short format. Everyone has different interests and it is a great opportunity to capture the attention of people who may have seen 100 pretty flexi dragons and said why do you want toys? This printer can make beautiful functional prototypes in 15min, not hours, that is a game changer if the information 247 helps develop and design faster printers for the future. That you want to call them newbs, and take such offense to a slightly different perspective makes me worry for those that encounter you as an ambassador to 3D Printing… maybe try relaxing and don’t watch speed printing if you find it so ugly and impractical.
@@Freakyprinter There are only 2 reasons this part is "ugly": printer not bolted down/reinforced against vibrations, and flow borderline. Those are both very fixable, the latter by going slightly slower or hotter if nothing else. You can totally print functional and accurate parts at speeds like this.
The patience was worth it, this build is wild! I can't even believe what I'm seeing is in real time lol. I genuinely think your giving us a glimpse into the future where designers and makers can have quality, rapid prototypes. Thanks for continuing to put in work on this build!
Don’t forget your missing 3/4-4/5ths of the printing happening… even at 120fps your still missing out on half. You would need an hour long slo-mo to even view how awesome this is.
All machines that require accuracy can be improved with more rigidity. Standard milling machines and lathes are made from huge cast iron pieces for the rigidity, vibration dampening, and weight. Also, granite is often used in high precision applications for the same purposes. You can see the frame flexing a lot and the amount of flex in your setup is certainly impacting the quality. You could probably increase the quality of the prints by mounting the printer on a granite slab, as well as securely attaching granite slabs to the sides to increase the overall rigidity in each dimension. If you don't want to go to that extreme, you could add some triangulation by cross bracing the corners with taught diagonal cables running from corner to corner. The sides of your frame are squares right now, so you need to put an X in the middle to form many triangles.
@@KToMmiWhat I am referring to is most evident during the "Albert's favorite part (CRAZY MOVES)" section of the video, when printing the roof supports, roof, and smokestack. If you look at the edges of the screen, you can clearly see the vertical structure of the printer wiggling in response to rapid forward and rearward movement. Furthermore, there are clear rearward and forward shifts in smokestack layers, or port and starboard on the boat. The layers of the smokestack appear to be better lined up in the left and right direction or bow to stern. I don't believe these are lost steps, but the flex or resonance causing misalignment. There is less mass moving left and right than moving forwards and rearward but there also appears to be a bit more rigidity left and right because of the back panel that all of the circuit boards are attached to. I'm not saying that rigidity is the end all be all solution, but that it is something that could certainly use improvement. However, increasing the rigidity could cause lost steps if the steppers aren't strong enough because changes in direction or impulse experienced would be that much more abrupt
I have a background with industrial CNC machines and production. I am researching 3D printers, and my conclusion is there is not one single printer under several thousand that are even close to being heavy and rigid enough. And, I have my doubts that many of the more expensive printers are really optimum. So, I am in the process of designing my own printer. The majority of people in the field of 3D printing apparently are clueless about how much flex, low mass, and vibrations affect accuracy and finish. When you can watch a printer shake you cannot expect a great looking part even if everything else is working well.
I think I read "real time" about 60X watching that. It just wouldn't register that this could be real! Then the shock that only the filament was melting. How can the motors and extruder not be melting?! It's so quick! That thing moves so fast that it might be pressing against wind resistance! Nicely done. Very beastly!
Sure I was expecting it to be faster than the previous version but holy crap that is WAY faster!!!! You truly are the speedboat king. Great job! Also I know there's a lot of folks clamoring for info but let me just say, as someone who's 1st printer was an Anet A8 I genuinely appreciate your commitment to thorough testing & safety before dumping details. I love showing these videos. It's truly inspiring stuff.
I habitually watch videos at 2x+, you're certainly one of the few creators I keep needing to check my playback setting while watching *despite* always making a point of setting it to 1x at the start haha Congrats on the new record, I'm fully expecting you to continue absolutely destroying all semblance of common sense I have with 3d printing.
ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!! i remember when you first started your channel, i was very impressed with what you had achieved back then, but this? this is madness! i love it, and i hope you will just get a full research grant at some point to push the limits of what was thought possible with filament printing
Thanks a lot - it's great to know that you follow from the beginning! I should we should leave the "faster faster faster" field now and research on how we can do quality at those print times. Super tough, but not impossible imo.
You're the inspiration for me for building a mecury 1.1, a ender 5 pro conversion to corexy with higher end parts since i couldn't exactly build a voron 2.4 like I really wanted to. And since its my first big build, i wanted to keep my expectations more in line of what i can do. You've done a lot for printing enthusiasts, veterans and newcomers all alike.
I jumped on twitter as myself just now.. amazing work on your printer, sir. Your benchy shaped object is still better than my first print. I am especially impressed with the smokestack and the roof pillars. WOW!
This printer has reached a point where it can print regular mechanical parts with a slight decrease in speed just as good in a fraction of time. Great work!
There was a point in the video where I went cross eyed just trying to keep my focus on the print head. All the way through I just had a cheesy grin on my face though. This is the perfect combination of madness and genius!
I really don’t blame anyone for thinking this is fake, it’s almost more believable than this being possible! This is amazing work on your part and it’s insane how quick this thing is, with no video editing required too
IIRC he had them but took them off because they didn’t help. I think the system would benefit from anchoring each of the 4 x/y sides to a large mass, like concrete blocks that weight 50+ pounds.
@@247printing I think by using pictures from that rig, you could make a grading sheet, or heck even some machine vision based thing, that can go somewhat objectively based off of those pictures, but yeah defining “quality” is hard.
Amazing! It feels like we are approaching the physical limits as far as printer mechanics goes. Probably with a stiffer frame you can push it a little more but that's probably not gonna get you sub 2 minutes. I keep wondering what effect optimization of the g code could have. If one could mod the slicer such that the pathing minimizes accelerations and reduces travel moves.. maybe even go non planar, e.g. print 3 layers of the forward cabin wall before jumping back down to print 6 of the aft wall and so on..
I went the complete opposite direction. set my layer height at .04 ended up with 1198 layers. ran it at 35mm per second set the bottom layer at 0 and top layer at 999999 so every layer was treated as a top layer. My first benchy, and you can barely see layer lines. of course it took about 17 hours to print. but faster isnt always better lol. i got this idea from the 3D Printed Tabletop youtube channel. he credits a reddit user that goes by the name Seipie. but this video shows how fast you can print one. nice to see what can be done.
people be like: i don´t need no highspeed printer that produces a blobby mess!1!!!11!! 247printing: who asked? (proceedes to break records) Love it! keep it up!!
I think this is extremely useful for drafting. I mean when you wanna prototype something you don't have to wait hours for a rough shape only to find out you missed something about the design. :)
The fact that it can run that fast and still come out as a full benchy, although be it not perfect in any way, it is very impressive, shows what is possible with 3d printing for now and the future
WOW! the footage looks insane! Incredible too see what a 3d printer is capable of Also I think frame rattle is quite often overlooked when it comes to quality, especially with very high accelerations like shown here. You can try something simple like having 4 wood clamps, 1 in each corner, and clamping the top of the machine frame to a solid base
Very cool machine and video, as a german I love the outtakes😂. I assume quality of the Benchy with dual Z (und besser gelagert) would already be better. The bed must vibrate like hell at those speeds.
6:30 you ran out of mcu power. Probably because of a 168mhz clock on your board. The octopus pro 723 board with a 550mhz clock speed is currently the best for this
Thx, yeah, but that's really extreme stuff 99% of the people won't go. E3EZ is more than enough - so do not put too much emphasis on those MHz of the MCU
I have quickly learned the only evolution of a 3d print hobbyist, is just printing/buying new upgrades for your 3d printer to make your 3d printer better at printing 3d printer upgrades
@247printing haha it makes some great content, and did not believe how fast yours worked! I'm excited for the next 10 years where the ender 3 equivalent can do those speeds with great quality!
This is super impressive. I'm more interested in the fastest "perfect" benchy times, because I feel like the extreme speedboats just don't give us useful information about how to eliminate bottlenecks in FDM printers.
I had to double-check that I wasn’t playing the video at 2X speed. Yet makers of the future will laugh at the speed and quality of this 😂 Cool time to be alive!
Do you think you could you add an active mass damper to cancel out the frame vibration? Basically a second X-Y axis printer on top but with just a weight instead of an extruder. It should roughly perform scaled inverse motions to the actual printing arm.
You, You are the kind of man pushing tech to it's limit for the entertainment AND progress ! I think you inspire brand's like FLSUN to create fast printers for the mass people like Super Racer ! "little question : the vibrations of the printer we see when printing i guess is a quality factor?"
If you use liquid nitrogen gas as an intake for the cooling fan - you could cool it much more rapidly I would assume. Or perhaps some kind of air conditioning system, or air flowing over dry ice etc. You can only print so fast cleanly because of the limitations of the filament and that there's no time for it to cool at those speeds at room temperature.
Next step is to get in touch with fireballtools and get a properly made square tube welded steel frame I think. At a certain point I suspect you won't be able to see the frame moving on you and will only know you need to go stiffer by going stiffer and seeing the difference in the print quality. Adding walls with sufficient contact points may also help to reduce movement. The ancient all-steel bed slingers seem to outperform on both quality and speed (when modified for speed) vs the aluminum extrusion equivalents in my observations, though they are still limited by being bed slingers so it isn't a perfect comparison. It may be time to go back to steel (welded, not bolted).
I imagine when Bambu Labs stated that their printers were A 55/100 that this is the speed they would like with their implementation of consistency and quality. Totally building one of these when it releases!
I have a suggestion. I see you have belts moving the head around. Have you considered weighing the moving parts, and adding a counterweight to the other side of the belt? The fore-aft motion, you'd want to put half-weights on those two belts, but the lateral motion, a single counterweight with guide rails would be needed. You'd want rails on that one so, if the print head is way off to one side, the counterbalance isn't rattling loose on the crossbeam, and it should keep the load on the two side drives balanced, minimize skewing loads when you give fore/aft impulses.
Mhm has 247 discovered HIPS filament? Guess we'll know eventually. I'm wondering about the flange bearing belt idler assembly in the spots where the belt rides on them toothside. My printer isn't similar and i use garbage belt but for me i didn't like the smooth idler, because depending on the phase of the belt, there's a different number of teeth touching down on the idler, so different effective contact length and thus different effective belt tension, so it's a source of periodic artefacts. At lower belt tensions i didn't feel it at all, but when tightening harder it was easy to feel the cogging sort of effect there. I tried to replace the idler a couple times, first time i bought garbage idlers and it was not a good time, after all you absolutely don't want the bearing in a toothed idler to jam up, and the shape of the teeth didn't seem to be deep enough either. Second time i splurged a little, and the idlers came out fine, i haven't had a problem with them, they feel really smooth regardless of tension. You lot certain the idler type isn't limiting your performance? Because i'm thinking, that you have a pretty bonkers dynamic belt tension when you run accelerations up, and so if there's any such tension modulation effect, can't be good.
Honest question: in terms of quality, when can you no longer call it a benchy? Like do you have rules for how acceptable it has to look? If someone does one 10 seconds faster but it looks worse, does that count? At what point do you say “ok no that looks too bad that doesn’t count”
Wow, this build is absolutely INSANE! 🤯 As @Nathan Builds Robots said below, we get to enjoy your descent into madness without having to go there ourselves 😂
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Watch Part 1 on the crazy printer used for this insane print here: ruclips.net/video/JqIZqXl464c/видео.html
All static parts like the AB motor drives, AB idlers, Z-drive and more were printed from EXTRUDR'S ASA CARBON FIBER.
Get 20%(!) DISCOUNT with code "EX_247PRINTING" at www.extrudr.com/
Dry their ASA CF out of the box to get the best results!
For example with the awesome EIBOS filament dryer (affiliate link, 21% discount atm): amzn.to/3BX1Lqm
id really like to see what you do to a annex engineering k3 😮seems like a more rigid setup than the v0 , wich should allow for faster prints
also you could drill aditional holes into the linear rail on the gantry, a 3d printer doesnt need the strength it offers and since its steel it would reduce weight quite a bit🤔
great fillament, thanks for the discount
@@Basement_CNC On my list! Unfortunately I lack the time atm :/
Ever thought about counter balance on the boom weight? Driven on each side in opposite directions by extra motor, so no mass added to print system? Should run on same signal out, just have own driver and stepper. Just to help with quality without speed penalty 🤓🤔
If its not quality it don't count.tired of these speed benches you are just gunna trow away.
this is faster than some timelapses lol
Than all timelapses.
@@Cretan-un6ulno
@ prove it haha 🤣
@@Cretan-un6ul okay should i upload a timelapd of a bench its about 4 seconds long or should I upload a timepöaps of a poop shute its a big print and guess what 12 seconds long
To be fair this is what all FDM prints looked like in the very early days so it is incredible that it's possible to produce the quality of those early prints at these crazy speeds now.
Yup
now they just need to focus on quality at these speeds
My dad has some prints from like 1992 that look way better than this
seems like the quality isnt following the speed
@@thewatcher9778 The reality is it'll never get to that point. The material properties (and thus the cooling requirements) will never support this speed with high quality.
I think the MOST exciting thing about this video is that it is SO easy to share! When friends or family ask what’s so cool about 3D printing, this mind bendingly fast print can easily be viewed without skipping or looking for the amazing part. They can see the whole process and be really impressed! TYVM, this is truly an achievement for the whole community and I know it will inspire others to start 3D printing! ❤️❤️❤️
Have never seen it this way! Thanks a lot for your statements, Theodore - means a lot to me!
Are you kidding me/us? When friends and family ask you about 3D printing, you will show them this ugly abomination of a part? That's an absolute waste of filament, whatever you print at these speeds can only be thrown away. Looks like crap, mechanical properties like crap, will not fit to any other parts - oh my god.
What inspiration should this be for 3D printing newbs? I cannot believe anybody would want to 3D print anything after seeing this. Looks like the result from a printer 40 years ago to somebody without proper explanation and "expectation management".
Just speed up any other video which produces something presentable and show it to them.
It is maybe a milestone of speedbenchy engineering but not usable to convince anybody that 3D printing is useful and a production-ready technology.
@@Freakyprinter Most that want to see how a 3D printer works don’t want a 15min time lapse… of course you can see pretty prints in pics anywhere. Your lack of insight and perspective is appalling. Obviously many things can inspire and Short pretty time lapses are everywhere on social media, EVERYONE has seen those. This is Unique, technical, and impressive in a way rarely seen or available in short format. Everyone has different interests and it is a great opportunity to capture the attention of people who may have seen 100 pretty flexi dragons and said why do you want toys?
This printer can make beautiful functional prototypes in 15min, not hours, that is a game changer if the information 247 helps develop and design faster printers for the future.
That you want to call them newbs, and take such offense to a slightly different perspective makes me worry for those that encounter you as an ambassador to 3D Printing… maybe try relaxing and don’t watch speed printing if you find it so ugly and impractical.
@@Freakyprinter This better be bait
@@Freakyprinter There are only 2 reasons this part is "ugly": printer not bolted down/reinforced against vibrations, and flow borderline. Those are both very fixable, the latter by going slightly slower or hotter if nothing else. You can totally print functional and accurate parts at speeds like this.
The patience was worth it, this build is wild! I can't even believe what I'm seeing is in real time lol. I genuinely think your giving us a glimpse into the future where designers and makers can have quality, rapid prototypes. Thanks for continuing to put in work on this build!
Don’t forget your missing 3/4-4/5ths of the printing happening… even at 120fps your still missing out on half. You would need an hour long slo-mo to even view how awesome this is.
@@MakerBees333 I knowwwww I wish youtube could support higher frame rates. My fancy monitor is useless if im watchin vids
All machines that require accuracy can be improved with more rigidity. Standard milling machines and lathes are made from huge cast iron pieces for the rigidity, vibration dampening, and weight. Also, granite is often used in high precision applications for the same purposes. You can see the frame flexing a lot and the amount of flex in your setup is certainly impacting the quality. You could probably increase the quality of the prints by mounting the printer on a granite slab, as well as securely attaching granite slabs to the sides to increase the overall rigidity in each dimension. If you don't want to go to that extreme, you could add some triangulation by cross bracing the corners with taught diagonal cables running from corner to corner. The sides of your frame are squares right now, so you need to put an X in the middle to form many triangles.
Cast iron Voron, let's goooooo 😎
Pretty evidently here the main source of inaccuracy isn't insufficient stiffness, but insufficient cooling.
@@KToMmiWhat I am referring to is most evident during the "Albert's favorite part (CRAZY MOVES)" section of the video, when printing the roof supports, roof, and smokestack. If you look at the edges of the screen, you can clearly see the vertical structure of the printer wiggling in response to rapid forward and rearward movement. Furthermore, there are clear rearward and forward shifts in smokestack layers, or port and starboard on the boat. The layers of the smokestack appear to be better lined up in the left and right direction or bow to stern. I don't believe these are lost steps, but the flex or resonance causing misalignment. There is less mass moving left and right than moving forwards and rearward but there also appears to be a bit more rigidity left and right because of the back panel that all of the circuit boards are attached to. I'm not saying that rigidity is the end all be all solution, but that it is something that could certainly use improvement. However, increasing the rigidity could cause lost steps if the steppers aren't strong enough because changes in direction or impulse experienced would be that much more abrupt
@KToMmi you can literally see the frame flexing by a significant distance. That's causing huge amounts of inaccuracies.
I have a background with industrial CNC machines and production. I am researching 3D printers, and my conclusion is there is not one single printer under several thousand that are even close to being heavy and rigid enough. And, I have my doubts that many of the more expensive printers are really optimum. So, I am in the process of designing my own printer. The majority of people in the field of 3D printing apparently are clueless about how much flex, low mass, and vibrations affect accuracy and finish. When you can watch a printer shake you cannot expect a great looking part even if everything else is working well.
I think I read "real time" about 60X watching that. It just wouldn't register that this could be real! Then the shock that only the filament was melting. How can the motors and extruder not be melting?! It's so quick! That thing moves so fast that it might be pressing against wind resistance! Nicely done. Very beastly!
Sure I was expecting it to be faster than the previous version but holy crap that is WAY faster!!!! You truly are the speedboat king. Great job! Also I know there's a lot of folks clamoring for info but let me just say, as someone who's 1st printer was an Anet A8 I genuinely appreciate your commitment to thorough testing & safety before dumping details. I love showing these videos. It's truly inspiring stuff.
I habitually watch videos at 2x+, you're certainly one of the few creators I keep needing to check my playback setting while watching *despite* always making a point of setting it to 1x at the start haha
Congrats on the new record, I'm fully expecting you to continue absolutely destroying all semblance of common sense I have with 3d printing.
Wow your adhd is way worse than mine bro
ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!!
i remember when you first started your channel, i was very impressed with what you had achieved back then, but this?
this is madness!
i love it, and i hope you will just get a full research grant at some point to push the limits of what was thought possible with filament printing
Thanks a lot - it's great to know that you follow from the beginning!
I should we should leave the "faster faster faster" field now and research on how we can do quality at those print times.
Super tough, but not impossible imo.
@@247printing i mean, would making a rig to anchor it from the top as well as the bottom help?
Insane what you're managing to achieve, and yes, can't wait to see what a ~5 minute benchy looks like
Thats some REAL "Rapid Prototyping"...
It’s been wonderful to watch the progress over the last… uh I guess it has been over a year since I started following your work.
Congratz!
It's wonderful to have you within the 247printing family!
You're the inspiration for me for building a mecury 1.1, a ender 5 pro conversion to corexy with higher end parts since i couldn't exactly build a voron 2.4 like I really wanted to. And since its my first big build, i wanted to keep my expectations more in line of what i can do. You've done a lot for printing enthusiasts, veterans and newcomers all alike.
I just did a Mercury 1.1, it is so much better than the Ender 5 before and if you source carefully it's not even that expensive.
I jumped on twitter as myself just now.. amazing work on your printer, sir. Your benchy shaped object is still better than my first print.
I am especially impressed with the smokestack and the roof pillars.
WOW!
This printer has reached a point where it can print regular mechanical parts with a slight decrease in speed just as good in a fraction of time. Great work!
What if there is bad layer adhesion.
For mechanical parts....
My mind is officially blown. Subscribed! 3D printing just keeps getting better, keep bringing on the speed benchies!
Thanks a lot - that action was a good choice!
There was a point in the video where I went cross eyed just trying to keep my focus on the print head. All the way through I just had a cheesy grin on my face though. This is the perfect combination of madness and genius!
Hey Luke, thanks a lot! That's super nice to read from you
I can actually see some slight ringing and probably a few minor artifacts. But beside this it seems .... Perfect!
Exactly as designed, right?
"When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit."
I really don’t blame anyone for thinking this is fake, it’s almost more believable than this being possible! This is amazing work on your part and it’s insane how quick this thing is, with no video editing required too
have you thought of adding diagonal supports in both the front-back and side-side directions off the corners of the machine to keep it from shaking?
IIRC he had them but took them off because they didn’t help.
I think the system would benefit from anchoring each of the 4 x/y sides to a large mass, like concrete blocks that weight 50+ pounds.
Watching your hand move while the machine enters hyper warp is almost tear jerking
I’d LOVE a competition for fastest quality benchy!
There is a
“smartphone photo studio for 3dbenchy and tiny stuff” that you can 3D Print that should allow for verifiable print quality control.
I'd LOVE to participate, but judgement (and finding judges) is super hard to do.
There have been a lot of discussions about that.
@@247printing I think by using pictures from that rig, you could make a grading sheet, or heck even some machine vision based thing, that can go somewhat objectively based off of those pictures, but yeah defining “quality” is hard.
0:31 - that one mustang 5am in the morning
Amazing! It feels like we are approaching the physical limits as far as printer mechanics goes. Probably with a stiffer frame you can push it a little more but that's probably not gonna get you sub 2 minutes.
I keep wondering what effect optimization of the g code could have. If one could mod the slicer such that the pathing minimizes accelerations and reduces travel moves.. maybe even go non planar, e.g. print 3 layers of the forward cabin wall before jumping back down to print 6 of the aft wall and so on..
cant believe the acceleration and precision especially using belt drive. shocked
This benchy looks freaking good for that insane speed! Mind blowing!! 😮
It's an art project
I like it, picasso! 😂
🤣
I went the complete opposite direction. set my layer height at .04 ended up with 1198 layers. ran it at 35mm per second set the bottom layer at 0 and top layer at 999999 so every layer was treated as a top layer. My first benchy, and you can barely see layer lines. of course it took about 17 hours to print. but faster isnt always better lol. i got this idea from the 3D Printed Tabletop youtube channel. he credits a reddit user that goes by the name Seipie. but this video shows how fast you can print one. nice to see what can be done.
Amazing speed. That’s not a bad quality speed Benchy either!
Thanks Jon! It's bad, but yeah, not bad - I double this!
This 2 minute benchy looks like my first benchy which took a whole hour to print
people be like: i don´t need no highspeed printer that produces a blobby mess!1!!!11!!
247printing: who asked? (proceedes to break records)
Love it! keep it up!!
😂
I think this is extremely useful for drafting. I mean when you wanna prototype something you don't have to wait hours for a rough shape only to find out you missed something about the design. :)
I would have been interested in a decibel meter overlay as well, seemed really loud from this side of the screen 🙂
It’s between 85 to 95dB 🥹
@@247printing Hoo boy, that's hearing protection territory!
The fact that it can run that fast and still come out as a full benchy, although be it not perfect in any way, it is very impressive, shows what is possible with 3d printing for now and the future
WOW! the footage looks insane! Incredible too see what a 3d printer is capable of
Also I think frame rattle is quite often overlooked when it comes to quality, especially with very high accelerations like shown here. You can try something simple like having 4 wood clamps, 1 in each corner, and clamping the top of the machine frame to a solid base
put the frame in concrete
might break the printer. The wobble is like a spring suspension at this speed.
The institute registered a 2.1 Earthquake.
Very cool machine and video, as a german I love the outtakes😂. I assume quality of the Benchy with dual Z (und besser gelagert) would already be better. The bed must vibrate like hell at those speeds.
Thx! I double all this - that platform is "done" for that :-)
The "slowdown for quality" is 4 times faster than my printers peak
6:30 you ran out of mcu power. Probably because of a 168mhz clock on your board. The octopus pro 723 board with a 550mhz clock speed is currently the best for this
Until Hypernova. 😁
@@daliasprints9798 solid point
Thx, yeah, but that's really extreme stuff 99% of the people won't go.
E3EZ is more than enough - so do not put too much emphasis on those MHz of the MCU
@@247printing I ran into the same issue as well thus why I know this. Was having issues at 256 microsteps 1.3m/s lmao
This is insane. Can’t wait until all prints are this fast with great quality
Nice run!
Thanks! Waiting for your take! I didn't expect it to be so hard to achieve... 03:27 was super easy at that time.
@@247printingI hope the nema 17 motor on mine will give me the upper hand ;).
I have quickly learned the only evolution of a 3d print hobbyist, is just printing/buying new upgrades for your 3d printer to make your 3d printer better at printing 3d printer upgrades
YES, for so many people (including me) it is!
@247printing haha it makes some great content, and did not believe how fast yours worked! I'm excited for the next 10 years where the ender 3 equivalent can do those speeds with great quality!
I love how there is Noctua fans on the motors, the sound of the fan is silent accompanied by the loudest motor in a 3D printer
This is super impressive. I'm more interested in the fastest "perfect" benchy times, because I feel like the extreme speedboats just don't give us useful information about how to eliminate bottlenecks in FDM printers.
I had to double-check that I wasn’t playing the video at 2X speed.
Yet makers of the future will laugh at the speed and quality of this 😂
Cool time to be alive!
2:54 man, his hands are even fast!… 🤨
I could have you make waiting two minutes until I took of the build plate...
Albert, you're a madman, and I LOVE IT! 😂 I can't wait to convert one of my LDO kits to your spec!
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Absoluten non-sense!
that printer needs Googly Eyes
How does this not have more views lmaooo omfg this printer is insane
RIGHT?! I totally agree 😘
Im very new to 3d printing, but the algorithm is important so i have liked and commented haha. Thank you for the very enjoyable video!
Please add a spool camera to the side! This is awesome 👍
That's insane and I think that benchy turned out very well! 2,5 minutes is just crazy! Nice video :)
Do you think you could you add an active mass damper to cancel out the frame vibration? Basically a second X-Y axis printer on top but with just a weight instead of an extruder. It should roughly perform scaled inverse motions to the actual printing arm.
You,
You are the kind of man pushing tech to it's limit for the entertainment AND progress !
I think you inspire brand's like FLSUN to create fast printers for the mass people like Super Racer !
"little question : the vibrations of the printer we see when printing i guess is a quality factor?"
Congratulations on your engineering efforts. I can't believe what I am seeing.
The key to improving accuracy without sacrificing speed is to scale up the model 6x but use 12 printers.
“Yo bro can i have a toy boat?”
“Sure gimme 2 and a half minutes.”
That benchy was violently thrusted into life.
imagine starting up this machine at 2am the amount of noise it produces must be insane
Richtig geil was du da für ein monater geschaffen hast. Mein Glückwunsch 🎉
I'mma be real with you chief, watching the afterimages of that extruder is terrifying
If you use liquid nitrogen gas as an intake for the cooling fan - you could cool it much more rapidly I would assume. Or perhaps some kind of air conditioning system, or air flowing over dry ice etc. You can only print so fast cleanly because of the limitations of the filament and that there's no time for it to cool at those speeds at room temperature.
Geils Video vom 3dDruck Bayer!
Mease dir!
I wonder if the speed of the toolhead is fast enough that the side air ducts generate downward airflow simply from moving
I will not stop thinking about these 4 driver boards in their own little wind tunnel for years to come
My first thought was “ugh speed printing…” but after watching that thing speed print…HOLY CRAP 😮
Absolutely mind-blowing! Congrats!
Utterly insane. All of it. Everything.
My mans hacked a Casio to make this timelapse look real time, idk what’s more impressive 😭
Congrats Albert! Seriously impressive!
Thanks man! I thought it was easier...Asymptote is coming closer.
Next step is to get in touch with fireballtools and get a properly made square tube welded steel frame I think. At a certain point I suspect you won't be able to see the frame moving on you and will only know you need to go stiffer by going stiffer and seeing the difference in the print quality. Adding walls with sufficient contact points may also help to reduce movement. The ancient all-steel bed slingers seem to outperform on both quality and speed (when modified for speed) vs the aluminum extrusion equivalents in my observations, though they are still limited by being bed slingers so it isn't a perfect comparison. It may be time to go back to steel (welded, not bolted).
When I sat the thumbnail, I thought the print wasn't that great in quality but seeing the speed more than makes up for that
*insert "did you try leveling the bed for better quality" joke here*
Absolutely incredible, love it
Highspeed 3D drucken und fluchen auf Bayrisch was will man mehr 😂 Absolut Geil wie der abgeht.
I sense the start of a new type of overclocking contest
"I never operate this printer a these settings unattended"
... mate...
You wouldn't have time to even go and take a piss at these speeds.
Luv it! 😂
Hahaha, lol - great one, thanks!
I imagine when Bambu Labs stated that their printers were A 55/100 that this is the speed they would like with their implementation of consistency and quality.
Totally building one of these when it releases!
Whoa! "The marvel is not that the bear dances well, but that the bear dances at all."
Now do the slowest benchy ever printed. I actually think it would be funny and the video would do well. Haha! Do it👍🏆
Dude this needs to be enclosed in a bullet proof enclosure. Awesome stuff
Man had a good taste in watches too
Absolutely f-ing insane! Well done!
Truly impressive. In all honestly, that bency is really high quality for the speed. I have seen hour long benchys that come out the same.
I like the idea of making it a 5 min benchy, no faster or no slower, but with the end goal is quality and precision
Phew! It's a good job you're using those Noctua's on the steppers, otherwise it might be noisy :P
(They look great with you're colour scheme ❤)
lol yeah! 🤣
best looking speed benchy ive seen and fastest
I have a suggestion.
I see you have belts moving the head around.
Have you considered weighing the moving parts, and adding a counterweight to the other side of the belt?
The fore-aft motion, you'd want to put half-weights on those two belts, but the lateral motion, a single counterweight with guide rails would be needed.
You'd want rails on that one so, if the print head is way off to one side, the counterbalance isn't rattling loose on the crossbeam, and it should keep the load on the two side drives balanced, minimize skewing loads when you give fore/aft impulses.
My computer crashed watching this.
Honestly I wouldn't feel safe standing close to that thing.
It appears fear inducing on the screen, but quite harmless in reality (except for the noise) as it is small and low moved mass
@@247printing right and the secret to its speed.
has the vibe of: I can do math really fast in my head.
What’s the fastest it can print with a good quality at the end?
Mhm has 247 discovered HIPS filament? Guess we'll know eventually.
I'm wondering about the flange bearing belt idler assembly in the spots where the belt rides on them toothside. My printer isn't similar and i use garbage belt but for me i didn't like the smooth idler, because depending on the phase of the belt, there's a different number of teeth touching down on the idler, so different effective contact length and thus different effective belt tension, so it's a source of periodic artefacts. At lower belt tensions i didn't feel it at all, but when tightening harder it was easy to feel the cogging sort of effect there. I tried to replace the idler a couple times, first time i bought garbage idlers and it was not a good time, after all you absolutely don't want the bearing in a toothed idler to jam up, and the shape of the teeth didn't seem to be deep enough either. Second time i splurged a little, and the idlers came out fine, i haven't had a problem with them, they feel really smooth regardless of tension. You lot certain the idler type isn't limiting your performance? Because i'm thinking, that you have a pretty bonkers dynamic belt tension when you run accelerations up, and so if there's any such tension modulation effect, can't be good.
Ah, overlooked that the bed is only 50°C and that it's a "Secret PLA" - which is... fair, fair!
THAT was satisfying to watch! 🤣 Kudos to you! 👍
Thank YOU!
Honest question: in terms of quality, when can you no longer call it a benchy? Like do you have rules for how acceptable it has to look? If someone does one 10 seconds faster but it looks worse, does that count? At what point do you say “ok no that looks too bad that doesn’t count”
That's the big problem, yes. There is no judging and nothing is official about this. Still it looks a bit better than the previous fastest ones.
That cooling sounds like a hurricane. Awesome!
It‘s for sure only authentic with that bavarian swearing 😂
Great result, I really like the integration of the new cooling ducts.
Parts on fire, parts on fire, printing, printing with desire!
Wow, this build is absolutely INSANE! 🤯 As @Nathan Builds Robots said below, we get to enjoy your descent into madness without having to go there ourselves 😂
That is the most violent 3d printing I have ever witnessed