@@M_Dutch97 That would contradict the prologue of A Link to the Past where we're _shown_ the original Imprisoning War which resealed Ganondorf after he was originally sealed away by Ocarina of Time Zelda and the 6 Sages of her Era. The only alternatives as far as the timeline is concerned is either after A Link between Worlds due to that Ganon having been released from the Dark World by Yuga or after Four Swords Adventures due to the geographical similarity between that game's Hyrule and the one we see in Echoes of Wisdom.
I figured it being a sequel to _Link’s Awakening,_ taking place after Link returned from his training journey that included his mental journey in Koholint.
The Ocean Zora are in Labrynna in Oracle of Ages in the downfall timeline. Considering Impa and Zelda were able to get to Labrynna with no problem, it probably wouldn't be hard for Labrynnian Zora to get to Hyrule at some point.
I'd be happy with it being a sequel to TP, but I'm more convinced it's a sequel to Link's Awakening. Which is amazing, for me, since the 2D games are my favorites, and that timeline is becoming more fleshed out than any others. A Link to the Past > Oracle of Seasons/Ages > Link's Awakening > Echoes of Wisdom > Link Between Worlds > Triforce Heroes
If the strongest evidence is the presence of a castle town and the fact that there’s a fountain, then it’s a weak argument. Any iteration of Hyrule could construct a similar town if there’s a short period of peace
That was the River Zora. The River Zora had to become Rito because they couldn’t survive very well in salt water. The OoT Zora seem to have shorter lives than the Ocean Zora based on how similar the Rito look to each other. The Zora queen from LBW is hinted at being a descendant of Ruto, having inherited her status as a sage. Ruto also has the frill that the classic Zora have.
This is the first thing I thought when I first saw the trailer and I am surprised not many people are speculating this ever since, the biggest outlier to me is the swirl hoodie and the business scrub,
My standing theory on why the Gerudo aren’t in TP is that they either left or were banished into the valley not the desert which is what we explore in TP. This is because after the civil war hyrule took the land as a punishment and left them just to have the valley which explains why just like the spirit temple, the arbiters grounds exist outside of the valley. Eventually after time without a true Gannonforf in between this game and TP a king or Zelda adds gerudo back into the kingdom of hyrule as the gerudo leave the valley and their fortress to build a more civilized town in hyrule major not the outside valley. This allows for the gerudo to be in this game and not in tp
@@EtaM29 I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion yet it's worth noting that the Mirror of Twilight was seemingly left at the top of Arbiter's Ground following the war between the Gerudo and Hyrule leaving open the possibility that many (if not all) of the Gerudo might have been exiled into the _Twilight Realm_ for their crime of following Ganondorf's ambitions in conquering the Sacred Realm to claim the Triforce. While i myself don't personally subscribe to such a theory given how harsh and unfair such a punishment would be, it's nonetheless a possibility worth considering given the mirror's pressence within Gerudo territory.
@@javiervasquez625 I believe the gerudo were the interlopers but the OOT gerudo instead were exiled, only gannonforf was banished to the twilight realm and even that was a last resort. Instead I believe when hyrule gained control of the arbiters grounds they moved their max security prison there because if someone like ganondorf was to escape he is far from the major villages. The twilight mirror was either a relic from hyrule or an ancient device that was found in the arbiters grounds and left there after the interloper war
@@EtaM29 That wouldn't make sense (for the original Interlopers to _be_ Gerudo i mean) as Lanayru states they were wielders of "evil magic" and nothing in either Ocarina of Time, Four Swords Adventures or Tears of the Kingdom points at the Gerudo been powerful magic power with which they created the Fused Shadow for the sole purpose of claiming the Triforce. Only magic wielders we ever see among the Gerudo across the timeline are Twinrova and she never shows any ability to create magic items like the Fused Shadow to deduce the Gerudo of the past could have created such a powerful weapon to help them make their to the Sacred Realm. As for Ganondorf been "arrested" and imprisoned within Arbiter's Ground there's no evidence he ever was as Rauru explicitly states that after he was captured by the king of Hyrule he was inmediatly condenmed to execution as punishment for his crimes back in Ocarina of Time leading to the 6 Sages to carry said execution with the Sword of Light. There is zero evidence in Twilight Princess explaining how and why the Mirror of Twilight was left at the top of Arbiter's Ground leaving open the possibility that it were the 7 Sages themselves who left it there after the Gerudo-Hyrule War for mere safekeeping rather than anything having to do with Ganondorf's execution been carried out in that very place at the same time.
And then a Lynel appeared in a later trailer. lol Because dev interviews HEAVILY imply that BotW & TotK are a soft reboot for the series. As such I have serious doubts any new games will ever be placed in the older timeline barring direct sequels or remakes. So the wild era is my default placement for EoW. Either after the TotK (re)founding or after TotK.
While I am a tad surprised that I haven't seen more theories on this game, I am not sure about this one. The presence or absence of a certain tribe or enemy isn't really proof. One can't really use the map either because hylian geography, while it does have a few general consistencies, is inconsistent at best. It could be a case where Nintendo lets the player decide in which timeline it takes place, much like they did with Breath of the Wild and its sequel. Honestly, I'm just going to fully enjoy the game before doing any sort of speculation.
The hood looks a lot like the default Hylian hood color and the Downfall Timeline did have Sea Zoras they were in Oracle of Ages in labrynna in the past and future of the game even Lord Jabu Jabu was there.
One memorable thanksgiving we were all around the table and we took quick notice that great uncle Ernesto hadn't shown up. We were worried because we hadn't heard from him in a while, so I went to go check on him and I got the keys from my mother (he was on her side of the family.) When I walked into his doublewide (he was always really poor because he went to Dotty's gambling casino every day) I was overcome by a great stench. This was normal because Ernesto always smelled pretty bad. I looked on the couch and Ernesto had kicked the bucket and expired like sour milk. He even smelled like that, and the only people happy about it were the flies and cockroaches and other various insects of different breeds, races, colors, and creeds. Anyway, his tv was still on and I took note that he was still stuck at the Guardian Statue puzzle in Twilight Princess. I'm pretty sure he died of desperation to get past that stupid guardian statue. He didn't end up going to thanksgiving dinner after all.
link's sword looking exactly like the fuse icon from totk to me means its zonai design, it's pretty much 1 to1, that being said, I also think interlopers were zonai
The Interlopers cannot be Zonai as the Light Spirits who sealed them away inside the Twilight Princess would have known they were sealing away _gods_ courtesy of their connection to the Golden Goddesses. Also, i recall the japanese version of Twilight Princess referring to the "Interlopers" as mere wizards who's dark magic lead the Light Spirits to imprison them in order to prevent them from corrupting the world. Nothing like the Light-bringing Zonai.
@@javiervasquez625 zonais appeared as if they were gods, but I find that rauru his sister being the last two survivors very suspicious, maybe as a whole they were evil? also there are theories about them actually coming from underground instead seeing as their floating islands are using zonite tech and there are multiple long dragon skeletons in the depths, so yea, for my money they were interlopers, oh yea, there is also the barbarian set to add to my theory of them being naughty violent angy magical greedy boys
@@javiervasquez625 also zonite are very similar looking to luminous stones, said to hold the power of spirits, which if you use as battery, then I have to question one's morality
@@GenMars The Zonai rarely come off as "evil" in Tears of the Kingdom considering all the great things they built for the many tribes of Hyrule such as the mines within the Depths, the city of Gorondia, the water purification facility for the Zora, the Airship for the Rito and of course their electrical engineering network for the Gerudo. Just because there are a bunch of skeletons in the Depths you shouldn't jump to conclusions of anything given the lack of _evidence_ of any kind pointing at any culprit who may or may not have anything to do with their deaths. For all we know all those dragons died fighting Ganondorf during the Imprisoning War with no evidence left of his involvement so again i don't see the argument in attacking the Zonai for things which could be attributed to anything else.
The geography of Hyrule is way to similar to ALttP, you can even see a lot of landmarks from the SNES game that are tied to that specific overworld, so yeah, probably a Dawnfall game IMO.
I am persuaded that this is a sequel to Zelda 1. We are starting in Ganons room with a few creative flourishes. However, the world is fleshed out as it appears in the Capcom games. At any rate, fans have wanted a true ZELDA mode for thirty years
I have a similar theory. I’m thinking that this game is going to be before Twilight Princess. For the same things that you exposed here and because of the backstory of Twilight. They mention that some “thieves” were exiled from Hyrule. I believe that, to seal the portal opened by Ganon, Zelda have to stay in that world. And to stay Anonymous, they made up the story and began a new civilization from scratch “The twili”. There’s a similarity also between Midna and Tri. Maybe Midna y a descendant of Zelda from the Twili.
I like the theory, you put in the work, but it's clearly a version of Hyrule caught in transition between Link between worlds and Loz 1. You can tell by the stone fields to the east Hyrule Castle, and the Lake Hylia Island that doubles as the Ice Dungeon in the Dark World. Not only that, but those aren't Skultulas, those are Deelers, a semi common spider enemy in Link's Adventure, I know this is true because of the presence of another forgotten Link's Adventure enemy, the Aneru which looks a lot like the Boku Babba but smoother. Finally is the fact that in the BotW-esque shot of Zelda overlooking Hyrule, we see Death to the Northwest of Hyrule Castle. Death Mountain is usually to the East side of the map, one exception is in Link's Adventure. Granted it's to the South West, but that's why I say it's a transitional period between LBW and LOZ 1. Loz 1 doesn't have a Death Mountain, but it's direct sequel Link's Adventure shows that the first game was working with a much smaller map and has the entire first game as a small fraction of its map.
I find this theory compelling, but I personally believe that "Echoes of Wisdom" (EoW) follows "Four Swords Adventures" (FSA) and serves as a prequel to both "Breath of the Wild" (BotW) and "Tears of the Kingdom" (TotK). There is substantial evidence to support this. In FSA, Ganondorf II transforms into Ganon, adopting a form similar to his appearance in the Downfall timeline. He wields the Trident, a weapon of darkness, capable of trapping people within a dark realm. This aligns with the rifts originating from Ganon's Trident seen in EoW. Notably, he is only sealed at the end of FSA, suggesting he could return at any time. The Gerudo in FSA are nomadic and live in tents, whereas EoW features a Gerudo town reminiscent of the one in BotW and TotK. Additionally, the Gerudo are presumably either dead or absent in the Adult and Downfall timelines, only existing in the Child timeline. Several species, such as the River Zora, Noble Zora, Skulltula, Bombfish, Lizalfos, and Deku Butler, are mostly exclusive to the Child timeline and all appear in EoW. While the Sheikah exist in all timelines, their iconography is especially prominent in the Child timeline, which could explain their presence in EoW. Additionally, EoW features an Octorok robot that could be a predecessor to the Guardians in BotW, as the Guardians were originally based on Octoroks. EoW's Hyrule has similarities to the Hyrule seen in "A Link to the Past'' (ALttP) and "A Link Between Worlds'' (ALBW), to such a degree you could say they are the same, but most people forget that FSA also shares this very same map, making it evidence for both timelines. But EoW also features a Castle Town and has architecture more in line with what we see in TP, FSA, and BotW/TotK. While many believe in the timeline convergence theory, I don't subscribe to it. Nintendo has never hinted at such a convergence in interviews or in-game. Our current understanding is based on what is believed in Hyrule today-fairy tales and legends during BotW/TotK, as stated in "Creating a Champion" (pages 360-361). Hyrule's long history is fragmented and partially lost due to the many Calamities, with most historical evidence, like monuments, leaning towards the Child timeline. Therefore, I believe everything presented in BotW and TotK fits well within the existing timeline. EoW just bridges BotW and the Child timeline, making TotK's placement in the timeline more cohesive as the end of the Child timeline, while also not retconning anything. That's my take on the potential timeline placement. If there are any questions or disagreements, I'm happy to explain my theory in more detail.
I’m pretty sure it’s a continuation of alttp story or albw story which I personally would prefer. I think you’re stretching this a little. I’m personally done with the timeline crap every since totk released
You (and many others) are likely putting more thought into this than Nintendo, who just care about making fun games, and then figure out how they fit in the timeline later, if at all.
I’d say a follow up to albw given the map i wouldn’t over complicate things into a tp sequel Totk was supposed to be all about the twilight before it came out… I know fans love TP 🤣
I think you look too much into it. The devs don’t restrict themselves, if they want Gerudo or something, they’ll throw in Gerudo regardless of timeline. That being said, the child timeline (post FSA) is my second guess for now, because there are similarities and possibilities- some of which you pointed out. My first pick is after LA and before ALBW. In my view, Nintendo don’t want to reuse the Alttp map a 3rd time, hence they took heavy inspiration from it, but changed and added things to make it fresh but still within that world. They aren’t going to say: “We can’t add a castle town because of the timeline”- they’re going to say: “Let’s add a Castle Town for players to have quests in!” … because it’s all gameplay driven, not timeline driven. If people ask: “How is there a Deku Tree? Gerudo? Sea Zora? Etc” … they’ll just say: “We just didn’t see them in Alttp” the same way we don’t see the Temple of Time in Minish Cap, despite that it’s meant to be there. Although I will note, Sea Zora are in OoX, so they do exist in the downfall timeline, but haven’t been seen in Hyrule anymore (yet). Also unrelated, but imo, the theory of a convergence destroys the creativity of the timeline and has way too many problems. Nearly all of what people claim is evidence of a convergence is stuff we already see in games on the 3 separate lines as is- and then other “evidence” is such a huge reach. But that’s just my viewpoint.
@@WindMageMaster It can't be before A Link between Worlds as the Ganon from that Era's Hyrule remains sealed away/dead following his battle with the Hero of Legend awaiting for Yuga to come along and bring him back giving us only 2 alternatives of a sequel to either A Link between Worlds after Ganon's sudden revival or Four Swords Adventures after the reincarnated Ganondorf from that game was sealed away within the titular Four Sword. The "convergence" theory (i prefer to call it the unification theory) makes sense for fans who simply wish to make sense of a timeline created by a lazy bunch of corporate executives more invested in keeping their profits by making fun games rather than writing a complex and engaging narrative to keep a bunch of grown adults invested in their specifically-made-for-children games so i personally don't see the "creativity" in allowing the aforementioned corporate executives to make their convoluted mess of a franchise even more convoluted than it ever needed to be.
@@WindMageMaster The only problem with it being after LA but before ALBW is that the Hebra range is snowy in EoW. ALTTP had a bare, mesa like mountain range and ALBW also reinforced this idea and made it slightly volcanic. I don't see how the mountains would become layered in a myriad piles of thick snow sheets and suddenly melts again. I would definitely say this happens after ALBW and TH with a different Zelda and Link.
@@javiervasquez625 Ganon is never sealed by the sages in Alttp or OoX. It doesn’t happen. Yet, in ALBW, we see he is sealed… meaning that a separate sealing event would need to happen before ALBW, but after AlttP and OoX. This game has the potential to depict that event. Depends on where the story goes and what happens at the end regarding Ganon. The unification can make sense for you or other fans, but I don’t abide by it.
@@Notorious_Notepad Right, but the devs never make maps to correspond with the timeline. They’re more concerned with what will be fun gameplay-wise. Locations change dramatically, certain elements get removed then reappear throughout the timeline. The maps only have minimal timeline influence. I won’t say “nothing” but definitely minimal. From a dev perspective, if they were to make another game before ALBW… their thoughts aren’t going to be: “Great, let’s copy and paste this map for a 3rd time”… they’re going to want to change and add things. It could be after ALBW, but currently, my position (without knowing much about the game) is that an LA sequel seems likely.
@@Notorious_Notepad The _only_ problem despite the explicit lack of Death Mountain on the northwestern side of the map back in A Link to the Past...? It clearly cannot take place prior to either Triforce of the Gods games as both Hyrules lack a Death Mountain on the northwest for it to casually show up in the one prequel game before disappearing entirely until the events of the original The Legend of Zelda come along.
Gerudo apear in the OoX games as do both types of Zora. The creatures that are called Lizalfos likely just get called Geru/Daira in the downfall timeline. Using the bomb fish as proof when it shares a scene with a fish only in the downfall tl is kinda disingenuous.
Sea zora do still exist in downfall timeline, but not in Hyrule (there are sea zora in Labrynna from oracle of ages) Also there is a very similar enemy to lizalfos named geru in Zelda 2
I didn't know about the zora in OoA, my mistake. I think Labrynna is a different realm from Hyrule, but I suppose they could've migrated back. The lizard-looking guys from Zelda 2 aren't lizalfos though; they're Gerus
That wouldn't make too much sense since the Ganondorf we see in Twilight Princess is the same Ganondorf we see from Ocarina of Time after Link warned Zelda of his deeds in the future and he was sentenced to be executed.
i hope not, i want it before ages and seasons and links awakening, would be WAYYY more cooler than just putting it with a game that dont really has an interesting connection with
Seems unlikely to make a sequal to a game but give it the opasite art style.. zelda always links the games together with the art style, for example Wind Waker and Spirit tracks
I thought about that too, but that's usually only the case with direct sequels. Wind Waker / Spirit Tracks is the series' only exception where they went and made other games and then came back to the same art style later
@@barbecuesos6242 That's not how zelda games work and we all know it. ALttP happens LONG before OoT and OoT happens a decent amount of time before TP, if anything it's a a sequel to either Link's Awakening or A Link Between Worlds. Hell it could even be a sequel to ALttP.
@@megaman37456 Four Sword Adventures Hyrule looks exactly like the one shown in the trailer for Echoes of Wisdom with Death Mountain to the northwest and Mount Hebra to the northeast so i can't see why some people simply can't compare the Hyrules from both games and reach the most logical conclusion.
@@javiervasquez625 Ehh, not really. I played the hell out of 4 sword adventures, sure the art style might resemble it, but the full shot of hyrule we got in the trailer shows landmarks from ALttP, such as the lake dungeon, Hyrule castle in it's ALttP design, Eastern Palace, and a couple of others who's names I forget atm.
This game for me has as many mixed timeline elements as BOTW and TOTK. For example, not to discredit your theory, this map is a near 1-1 expansion of the ALTTP and ALBW map, which both take place in the downfall timeline. These multiple locations that are similar are Lake Hylia, Lost Woods, the Eastern Palace, Kakariko Village, the boulder field and the Castle itself. Both species of Zora appear and are only seen together in the Oracle games. Zelda's dress design is most alike to ALBW's Zelda. And finally, Ganon would have to be a new entire Ganon seperate from TP and FSA, or resurrected; but that is unlikely as he isn't killed in his beast form. If you say this is after FSA, the four sword isn't mentioned at all, and most likely won't be as Zelda uses her Tri rod instead. The Deku returning is confusing and the Gerudo town here looks a lot like its FSA version. But, to disprove this, the Gerudo weren't seen in TP, but returned in FSA, displaying their resilience. They could reappear in the downfall timeline top, but this is merely a stretch. Overall, the Zelda timeline is broken twicefold, with BOTW and TOTK ruining continuity as a whole...
The map is explicitly more similar to that of Four Swords Adventures compared to either A Link to the Past or A Link between Worlds. Also, just because the Ganondorf from Four Swords Adventures was last seen sealed away inside the Four Sword that shouldn't be an impediment for him to appear in a sequel game provided he _escaped_ from the Four Sword in order to be the current incarnation of Ganondorf during the events of Echoes of Wisdom. Finally, you're very much right about the Gerudo appearing in Four Swords Adventures so in all due respect i feel one must be openly in denial to not accept all the evidence which points at the Child Timeline been the placement for Echoes of Wisdom given the aforementioned points you yourself have brought forward making it clear that it's the most plausible timeline for Echoes of Wisdom to take place in. ¿Does the evidence outright prove that it takes place in the Child Timeline...? No, it does not but that doesn't mean the evidence presented so far in the trailer cannot lead you to reach that conclusion. As for the Era of the Wild duology i see no problem in deducing they take place so far in the future of *all* 3 the timelines that it's simply not a problem.
@@javiervasquez625 It doesn't look like the FSA map... If he escaped, I doubt Zelda would be able to defeat him with chairs; FSA's incarnation took 4 links, 6 maidens + Zelda and an enormous amount of force gems together to just seal him. I don't believe EoW's Ganon is FSA Ganon at all if he was vanquished by one Link without the Master Sword or silver/light arrows.
@@Notorious_Notepad In one game it took "4 Links, Zelda and the 6 Maidens" to take him down while in _others_ it just took 1 Link, the Master Sword and the 7 Sages so i wouldn't take the gameplay-oriented Lore without a pinch of salt given Nintendo's track record of inconsistency when it comes to the many ways Ganondorf has been beaten throughout the series's history. Even if he's not the same Ganon from Four Swords Adventures nothing in the trailer refutes the possibility for the Ganon shown to be from the Child Timeline.
@@javiervasquez625 1. Ganon is not the same as Ganondorf. 2. If that Ganon is from the Child timeline, FSA still exists, there cannot be two Ganons in the same era. 3. The map is ALTTP and ALBW, this most likely happens in the downfall timeline with the new additions of other species 'just because'. There were no Gorons in ALTTP, but were added in ALBW. Therefore, other species can be added. 4. FSA had no Master Sword. The Four Sword cannot properly dispell evil as properly as the Master Sword; a pure, goddess blessed sword. Also Zelda is one of the seven sages, so there isn't any true inconsistencies present there. 5. It could take place in the child timeline, but only if FSA's Ganon is mentioned in backstory and is defeated before the new Ganon is reborn.
@@Notorious_Notepad 1) "Ganon" IS the same as GanonDORF, the only difference been him becoming a large, anthropomorphic pig representative of his newfound demonic power. King Daphnes even refers to the Gerudo Ganondorf as "Ganon" following his transformation into a pig at the end of Ocarina of Time as an aknowledgement of his status as a Demon King. 2) Just because we never see the proper end of the one Ganondorf from a forgettable multiplayer game from 2004 it shouldn't be impossible for you to make the educated guess that should the Ganon from Echoes of Wisdom be revealed as a _reincarnation_ *after* the events of Four Swords Adventures that would most likely mean that any previous incarnations prior to the birth of this new Ganondorf must have been vanquished in order to justify this new reincarnation's appearance. 3) (Sigh) Have you even done the homework of actually comparing the map of Four Sword Adventures with that of Echoes of Wisdom before making the completley misinformed, contrarian conclusion that this new Hyrule's map is specifically based on the ones from A Link to the Past and A Link between Worlds...? Also, when did Gorons ever appear in A Link between Worlds??? Are you talking about Rosso? He's a _Hylian_ who only ressembles a Goron for reference's sake so i can't see how a Fire Sage who merely references the Gorons would magically lead you to deduce he IS a Goron when nothing in the game even entertains the idea. Finally, you completley missed the point of what i meant regarding Nintendo's complete apathy when addressing the myriad of ways in which Ganondorf has been vanquished across the timeline to insist that the Ganondorf from Echoes of Wisdom must be vanquished in the exact same way as his hypothetical predecessor was just because you wrongfully deduce that's how it MUST be done despite all the evidence proving otherwise. 4) Sure there's no Master Sword in Four Swords Adventures that vanquished the reincarnated Ganondorf... ¿So what? The original The Legend of Zelda didn't have the Master Sword around to vanquish that Ganondorf either proving that regardless of the Master Sword around it IS POSSIBLE to defeat Ganondorf without provided there's another strong sword around that can do it in its stead (eg: the Four Sword, Noble Sword, Biggoron Sword, White Sword, Magic Sword, etc.). 5) ¿Why should it be needed for the previous Ganondorf to be mentioned at all in order to justify this new reincarnation? ¿Did Four Swords Adventures even reference the one from Twilight Princess in order to justify the one we meet in the game...? No reason at all to aknowledge the previous one unless Nintendo wants it so.
I see where your coming from. Especially when Eiji Aonuma said botw was kinda supposed to explain things from the after math of TP but i assume they scrapped it and did something else w it so i wouldnt be surprised if this was that something else
When and where did Aonuma made such a statement? As i recall Breath of the Wild was always intended as a "soft reboot" of the timeline courtesy of it referencing all three timelines without specific evidence pointing at either one making it clear that the "Era of the Wild" is its own self contained Saga appart from all the previous ones in the "Era of Myth".
You kinda had my interest with the Child Timeline theory as I believe it is possible that it can be in the Child Timeline, but more likely after FSA due to BotW and TotK vibes from this version of Hyrule, as I'm believer that BotW and TotK take place at the end of the Child Timeline (please don't question this, I have my reasons, but that's not the main focus of what this comment is about), not an logically impossible merged timeline. Which is where you almost lost me by merely mentioning the convergence, especially as if it were already confirmed fact, which it isn't. There is NO timeline convergence. It hasn't even been confirmed. And it won't or rather should NOT ever be since the idea of a literal convergence makes absolutely ZERO logical sense. You can believe that the Adult Timeline is somehow due to the same reason as the Child Timeline (Link being sent back), even though that makes no sense either. But believing in something that's literally completely illogical makes even less sense. But alas, you do you, I guess.😞 This timeline convergence theory honestly NEEDS to just die already! The only real reason it ever existed in the first place, even before BotW was even shown in 2014 was because so many people didn't like the idea of the timeline being split to begin with. I know this because that was me once upon a time. But at the end of the day, the theory is just an excuse to make the timeline linear again, which at that point they might as well just make the timeline linear again, but that makes no sense in itself. While the idea of a split timeline seems heard hurting as it is, at least you actually make sense of such thing. You can NOT however make sense of a convergence timeline, unless it's not a literal convergence, but rather additional split timeline branch where knowledge of all prior timelines exists. And that's where I think this game more likely sets place in. A brand new timeline split from OoT, where Young Link was triumphant against Ganondorf, but Ganondorf still becomes Ganon, and the timeline from OoT finally takes a better more natural course of progression than the Downfall Timeline or Child Timeline, as Link didn't lose or didn't have to let the Hyrulean military and ancient sages deal with Ganondorf w/o him. Link actually wins against Ganon the intended way as truly according to the Hero of Time prophecy. Where Link not only has knowledge of Ganondorf's plot to take over Hyrule, but also knowledge of events that occur in all three timelines. Which I believe might even be covered in the "Modern Ocarina of Time Remake" that has been teased by Aonuma himself. The idea probably won't be as story heavy as I imagine, but they could find some clever way for Link to obtain knowledge of his and Zelda's faults from the three currently known timelines to prevent them in a sort of Zero Mission or Samus Returns like re-imagining of OoT. We have seen that kind of remake more often in today's "Modern" time, like the Resident Evil Remakes and Final Fantasy VII Remake. No, I'm not saying that the OoT remake would be just like FFVII Remake or the Resident Evil Remakes. However, the remake might take notes from them, but follow more with how Zero Mission and Samus Returns did it by still having the original ending(s), but also including a new one. In the OoT remake, it may be possible to experience all three currently known endings, including the one leading to the Downfall Timeline to finally conclude the era of those three timelines by solving the mystery around the split timeline. Through new gameplay made possible due to the remake being in the same sort of engine as BotW and TotK, Link is able to acquire the means of stop Ganon(dorf) in his own present time and closing the door way through time with the Sword of Time (Master Sword) to prevent the split from ever happening again. However, the way these actions play out, eventually brings unseen consequences for Hyrule in far future, in this new game, Echoes of Wisdom. Due to Link gathering knowledge of events in three timelines through new Gossip Stones of Time, then that knowledge being shared with the King, Zelda, the ancient sages (this includes Rauru), the OoT chosen sages, the rest of Link's and Zelda's most trusted friends in Hyrule, heroes are not only aware of the prior timelines, but the villains too. But not only that, but with rumors coming out to majority of people in Hyrule of these differing takes on Hyrule's history, a villain utilizes this chaos their advantage to beat the Hero of Time when he least expects it. In this new timeline, the Royal Family finally acknowledges Link as the Hero of Time as he was always meant to be. In more adventures following OoT in this timeline, before EoW, Link obtains an prehistoric powerful sword mostly ever known only to that of the Zonai, the sword that EoW Link has in the EoW trailer. The next 3D Zelda could even be an interquel of the OoT remake and EoW, set in a more expansive version of OoT's Hyrule, with more areas to explore. It is likely that in that game, Ganondorf inevitably becomes pig beast Ganon, meaning that could finally officially get to see the classic pig beast Ganon with his trident and everything in full 3D. Explaining more of why EoW happens the way that does. Perhaps EoW isn't actually the first time the rifts appeared. Maybe the Hero of Time's reincarnation in the new 3D Zelda had to close them because the villains are trying to break or tear through the barrier of time. And in EoW, the villain of that game was finally successful in using those rifts to not only trap the Hero of Time's incarnation in that game but also their competition in Ganon. Before we conclude, a fun fact is that the sword that Link has in the trailer is actually the same design as the sword featured in the Fuse Ability icon. Anyways, as for the identity of the villain or villains behind these rifts, we don't really know for sure. However, a video done by Quest with Aaron tells us that villain responsible is likely that of angry or even evil god. The RUclipsr was able to find the word Kami used, which means god. And the words spirited away, which, in Japanese culture, usually happens when upsetting a vengeful deity or awakening or disturbing an evil deity. I believe that an evil deity is likely the villain of this new story arc starting with this game. And that villain is likely a character closely related to Zelda and potentially connected to even Link. It's likely that this villain is one that likely predates even that of Demise. They likely wanted the incarnations of Demise, the Ganon(dorf)s to do all the bad stuff for them so that they wouldn't have to. But due to all of Ganon's failures, this evil usurper deity, like Thanos in Marvel, has finally taken it upon themself to do everything themself. And also, like Thanos, they're sending everyone and everything in their path into the void, including even Hyrule's multiversal hero, Link, just like how Marvel's true multiversal heroes, Spiderman and Doctor Strange were spirited away in that franchise. I think it's very likely that Nintendo might've took some inspiration from Avengers Infinity War for this new game. I apologize for the long comment, I just had a lot to say. And I know you believe a more convoluted head hurting timeline structure than I do. I just wanted to share my thoughts and feelings on why I don't believe in a literal convergence and why I believe that EoW sets in a fourth timeline that functions kind of like a convergence timeline, but isn't because a literal timeline convergence is logically impossible because physically merging timelines into one not only defeats the whole point of a split timeline, but in science, it just doesn't work in the end. And no, arguing that the rifts is somehow proof that a convergence happened wouldn't work because then that'd just make EoW boring by having the threat simply be the rifts themselves or by Goddesses trying to merge the timelines for no reason other than Nintendo dishing out fan service to appease split timeline haters. I understand we all have right to believe what we want, but causally mentioning a convergence like it's confirmed canon fact when it isn't only just turns people who don't believe in it like me off. Just wanted to state that for some advice to you, hoping that it helps improve your Zelda discussions. And to spread awareness that stating theories as fact is just outright unacceptable. That's literally why most MatPat haters hated him because of his theory videos being treated as fact when they're not (at least, not at the time they were made). Nintendo making a couple of them more factual only made those haters despise him even more. So I'm staying the majority of this last paragraph as warning. Please do not become the next MatPat! At least do not continue to do what made some people not like MatPat. You are only gonna turn people off!
Although it's pointed, we have seen the swirl like design before. Not only does it look like zonai and twili symbols, it also matches some of the picori motifs we see in minish cap and four sword. Personally, I think the game is in the downfall timeline, I was thinking in the Hyrule we haven't seen that link comes from in ages and seasons. Somewhat debunked because they take place between alttp and a link between worlds. Although the link from OoS and OoA is a different link from alttp and link between worlds. My other reasoning being is beast ganon. It could also be set in the downfall timeline after a link between worlds or even after the original game. Again it all comes down to the fact that we've just seen Ganon, not Gannondorf.
@@UwUvatar Where is it stated that the Link from Oracle games is _not_ the same one from A Link to the Past? I'm pretty sure they are in fact the same Link as stated in both the Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia so i can't say i agree with your statement given the lack of any evidence within the canon Lore pointing at the "Oracles Link" been a seperate incarnation of him.
I'm okay with saying this is set somewhere relative to FSA... but not somewhere relative to TP. The degree to which people these days accept Hyrule Historia as canon is crazy. If people actually played the games, they would know just how much that book's timeline makes things up and spits in the face of creator intent. FS and FSA have always been about the same Link and Zelda. FSA has always been set in the world of ALttP, giving a backstory to that version of Ganon. Now, could all the stuff from the "downfall timeline" be after TP? Sure, I don't see why not... but I'm hesitant. TP's ending makes absolutely no sense, and the game just kinda... stops, without any conclusion for what happens to Ganondorf. We see a character who has already died do a cute little curious head tilt, and Ganondorf... just kinda stands there in shock. Link is apparently okay with just leaving Ganondorf standing there, and runs off. Is Ganondorf dead? Is Zant alive? There's no way to know is, and we know nothing set in ALttP's world can happen until a new male Gerudo is born, so... again, it's hard to place anything after TP without knowing what actually happens at the end of that game.
Timeline makes perfect sense based on events in game. You just aren't paying attention and are listening more to fan interpretation and headcanon than the literal games. Only thing wrong with the HH timeline is the ad hoc "downfall" explanation. The actual placement of the games lines up exactly with the events of the games as told in the games. All of your nitpicks are either just tiny nitpicks or misunderstandings on your part. Again, Hyrule Historia literally just describes the events of the games as described either by the games themselves, manuals, or creator statements. It's people like you spitting in the face of creator intent by screaming that the creators are wrong and YOUR timeline/interpretation of the games is actually correct. Considering everything in HH is sourced from the creators and simply compiled by Dark Horse, the whole "it's not canon" dogshit you guys have pulled out of nowhere is silly. It has a list of sources, the info is based on interviews, and the only really issues is a grammatical error or two from translation issues causing a little confusion that is easily cleared up- if you actually paid any attention. Pull your head out of your ass, get over yourself and listen to the creators when they speak instead of ignoring them and making up stupid reasons why they're actually wrong. You do not know better than the creators, and considering they're *literally* the people behind Hyrule Historia, your silly fan fiction version of Zelda doesn't override anything here. If you're so eager to rewrite Zelda to your personal liking, I have some news for you: you aren't actually a Zelda fan. That was obvious enough based on your clear ignorance of basically the entire plot of the series. Quit taking the word of speculative RUclipsrs so seriously and go play the damn games, and if you have before, fucking pay attention this time because you seem to have missed the fact the time line is laid out almost entirely in game. Maybe take a media literacy class first, so you don't walk away completely ignorant of what you played like you seemingly did last time.
ya know, disagreeing with someone without hearing their reasoning is very bad practice; often times you can learn something from the other perspective, even if you don't end up agreeing with them. I'll still take the comment though, algorithm loves those things
I've given up on the timeline ever since they published the official one, and especially after they later changed it. But I appreciate the speculation game from people like you.
Why? The official timeline is very much consistent to this day ever since the published it in the Hyrule Historia so i can't see why you would give up on it when it's clear Nintendo does care about it to the point of keeping it consistent with every new title that comes out.
@mandatorial I agree, the convergence of the timelines just seem like a reset to the franchise, so they aren't limited to previous lore, events and limitations.
But the official timeline is literally just a list of the events that happen in game. The games consistently tell us when they take place on the timeline without fail and the official timeline is just.. laying that out. Exactly as the games describe. You being too attached to whatever headcanon you made up at whatever point doesn't overwrite the literal events of the game and statements from the creators. The ONLY actual contentions of the official timeline are "downfall" explanation and the eventual swapping of Links Awakening and the Oracle games. Everything else is just.. laying out what the games already told us. You guy's insistence that it doesn't make sense just shows you didn't pay attention whatsoever when playing the games, because anyone who did understands the timeline was basically laid out to shut up the people who didn't, except then you guys decided you know better than the literal creators of the games. Sorry, but I'll take the word of the developers and writers over arrogant fan fiction writers who learned everything they know about Zelda from speculative theorizers on RUclips who seemingly also didn't pay attention. Stop speaking for the creators, go play the games again, and pay attention to this time. You'll never complain about anything but the "downfall" aspect again because- and you actually have to pay attention here- you'll realize the timeline is laid out in the games. It's very easy to understand, too, as fans had laid out most of the timeline years before it was revealed. And, again, the only difference was the explanation about the downfall timeline. This is not a mystery, it's not confusing, it's clearly laid out and either largely intuitive or *literally spelled out for you*. If you don't actually like Zelda, just say that. I don't know why else you'd insist what the games tell you is somehow a lie. That makes absolutely no sense.
In fact, the speculation game from channels like this and people like you seemingly getting your Zelda knowledge from exclusively from them instead of like, I dunno.. the fucking games, is EXACTLY why you're whining here. If you'd just play the games and pay attention, you'd get it. You refuse to do that, and instead just eat up whatever headcanon some random speculator pulled out of their ass because they also refused to pay attention. I mean, you literally cannot play Wind Waker without the game basically laying out half the timeline in LITERALLY THE FIRST MINUTE. And that was just describing what happened in Ocarina of Time, so if you played that, you should be more than caught up. Considering there are 3 confirmed direct sequels to Ocarina, bam. The rest of the timeline more or less immediately falls into place, even if the "downfall" explanation is less than elegant. I've been paying attention to the timeline argument for like, 20 years now, and I honest to god still don't understand why it even is an argument. Just play the damn games, and it explains itself.
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Maybe this is the actual start of the downfall since Link was defeated here. Perhaps Zelda obtains echos of the Sages in order to seal Ganon?
@@M_Dutch97 That would contradict the prologue of A Link to the Past where we're _shown_ the original Imprisoning War which resealed Ganondorf after he was originally sealed away by Ocarina of Time Zelda and the 6 Sages of her Era. The only alternatives as far as the timeline is concerned is either after A Link between Worlds due to that Ganon having been released from the Dark World by Yuga or after Four Swords Adventures due to the geographical similarity between that game's Hyrule and the one we see in Echoes of Wisdom.
I figured it being a sequel to _Link’s Awakening,_ taking place after Link returned from his training journey that included his mental journey in Koholint.
That would put it between LA and Oracle games. They are the same link
@@firenze6478It's also the same Link from ALTTP
@@Zogef1996 true
The demo implies this is a new Link.
The Ocean Zora are in Labrynna in Oracle of Ages in the downfall timeline. Considering Impa and Zelda were able to get to Labrynna with no problem, it probably wouldn't be hard for Labrynnian Zora to get to Hyrule at some point.
Nah its a sequel to wand of gamalon
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I didn't even think about this game taking place in the Child Timeline. Honestly, with what you mentioned I could definitely see it being the case.
I'd be happy with it being a sequel to TP, but I'm more convinced it's a sequel to Link's Awakening.
Which is amazing, for me, since the 2D games are my favorites, and that timeline is becoming more fleshed out than any others.
A Link to the Past > Oracle of Seasons/Ages > Link's Awakening > Echoes of Wisdom > Link Between Worlds > Triforce Heroes
If the strongest evidence is the presence of a castle town and the fact that there’s a fountain, then it’s a weak argument. Any iteration of Hyrule could construct a similar town if there’s a short period of peace
Really nice video! i can’t wait to play this game on stream! Im playing Twilight Princess as we speak. It is so great to play it again 😍
I want to watch it
@@songoku9348 Your welcome!!
Another thing to add is how the Sea Zoras evolved into the Rito Tribe in the Adult Timeline.
That was the River Zora. The River Zora had to become Rito because they couldn’t survive very well in salt water. The OoT Zora seem to have shorter lives than the Ocean Zora based on how similar the Rito look to each other. The Zora queen from LBW is hinted at being a descendant of Ruto, having inherited her status as a sage. Ruto also has the frill that the classic Zora have.
This is the first thing I thought when I first saw the trailer and I am surprised not many people are speculating this ever since, the biggest outlier to me is the swirl hoodie and the business scrub,
My standing theory on why the Gerudo aren’t in TP is that they either left or were banished into the valley not the desert which is what we explore in TP. This is because after the civil war hyrule took the land as a punishment and left them just to have the valley which explains why just like the spirit temple, the arbiters grounds exist outside of the valley. Eventually after time without a true Gannonforf in between this game and TP a king or Zelda adds gerudo back into the kingdom of hyrule as the gerudo leave the valley and their fortress to build a more civilized town in hyrule major not the outside valley. This allows for the gerudo to be in this game and not in tp
@@EtaM29 I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion yet it's worth noting that the Mirror of Twilight was seemingly left at the top of Arbiter's Ground following the war between the Gerudo and Hyrule leaving open the possibility that many (if not all) of the Gerudo might have been exiled into the _Twilight Realm_ for their crime of following Ganondorf's ambitions in conquering the Sacred Realm to claim the Triforce. While i myself don't personally subscribe to such a theory given how harsh and unfair such a punishment would be, it's nonetheless a possibility worth considering given the mirror's pressence within Gerudo territory.
@@javiervasquez625 I believe the gerudo were the interlopers but the OOT gerudo instead were exiled, only gannonforf was banished to the twilight realm and even that was a last resort. Instead I believe when hyrule gained control of the arbiters grounds they moved their max security prison there because if someone like ganondorf was to escape he is far from the major villages. The twilight mirror was either a relic from hyrule or an ancient device that was found in the arbiters grounds and left there after the interloper war
@@EtaM29 That wouldn't make sense (for the original Interlopers to _be_ Gerudo i mean) as Lanayru states they were wielders of "evil magic" and nothing in either Ocarina of Time, Four Swords Adventures or Tears of the Kingdom points at the Gerudo been powerful magic power with which they created the Fused Shadow for the sole purpose of claiming the Triforce. Only magic wielders we ever see among the Gerudo across the timeline are Twinrova and she never shows any ability to create magic items like the Fused Shadow to deduce the Gerudo of the past could have created such a powerful weapon to help them make their to the Sacred Realm.
As for Ganondorf been "arrested" and imprisoned within Arbiter's Ground there's no evidence he ever was as Rauru explicitly states that after he was captured by the king of Hyrule he was inmediatly condenmed to execution as punishment for his crimes back in Ocarina of Time leading to the 6 Sages to carry said execution with the Sword of Light.
There is zero evidence in Twilight Princess explaining how and why the Mirror of Twilight was left at the top of Arbiter's Ground leaving open the possibility that it were the 7 Sages themselves who left it there after the Gerudo-Hyrule War for mere safekeeping rather than anything having to do with Ganondorf's execution been carried out in that very place at the same time.
My theory is that a lot of races and places are there, but because they aren't meaningful for the story, we just don't explore them.
And then a Lynel appeared in a later trailer. lol
Because dev interviews HEAVILY imply that BotW & TotK are a soft reboot for the series.
As such I have serious doubts any new games will ever be placed in the older timeline barring direct sequels or remakes.
So the wild era is my default placement for EoW.
Either after the TotK (re)founding or after TotK.
I think this is between Triforce Heroes and the past of Zelda 2 based on Hyrule’s size.
While I am a tad surprised that I haven't seen more theories on this game, I am not sure about this one. The presence or absence of a certain tribe or enemy isn't really proof. One can't really use the map either because hylian geography, while it does have a few general consistencies, is inconsistent at best. It could be a case where Nintendo lets the player decide in which timeline it takes place, much like they did with Breath of the Wild and its sequel.
Honestly, I'm just going to fully enjoy the game before doing any sort of speculation.
The hood looks a lot like the default Hylian hood color and the Downfall Timeline did have Sea Zoras they were in Oracle of Ages in labrynna in the past and future of the game even Lord Jabu Jabu was there.
One memorable thanksgiving we were all around the table and we took quick notice that great uncle Ernesto hadn't shown up. We were worried because we hadn't heard from him in a while, so I went to go check on him and I got the keys from my mother (he was on her side of the family.) When I walked into his doublewide (he was always really poor because he went to Dotty's gambling casino every day) I was overcome by a great stench. This was normal because Ernesto always smelled pretty bad. I looked on the couch and Ernesto had kicked the bucket and expired like sour milk. He even smelled like that, and the only people happy about it were the flies and cockroaches and other various insects of different breeds, races, colors, and creeds. Anyway, his tv was still on and I took note that he was still stuck at the Guardian Statue puzzle in Twilight Princess. I'm pretty sure he died of desperation to get past that stupid guardian statue. He didn't end up going to thanksgiving dinner after all.
Sorry? I genuinely have no words
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link's sword looking exactly like the fuse icon from totk to me means its zonai design, it's pretty much 1 to1, that being said, I also think interlopers were zonai
that...could be true. I'll have to ponder that one, it may very well be
The Interlopers cannot be Zonai as the Light Spirits who sealed them away inside the Twilight Princess would have known they were sealing away _gods_ courtesy of their connection to the Golden Goddesses. Also, i recall the japanese version of Twilight Princess referring to the "Interlopers" as mere wizards who's dark magic lead the Light Spirits to imprison them in order to prevent them from corrupting the world. Nothing like the Light-bringing Zonai.
@@javiervasquez625 zonais appeared as if they were gods, but I find that rauru his sister being the last two survivors very suspicious, maybe as a whole they were evil? also there are theories about them actually coming from underground instead seeing as their floating islands are using zonite tech and there are multiple long dragon skeletons in the depths, so yea, for my money they were interlopers, oh yea, there is also the barbarian set to add to my theory of them being naughty violent angy magical greedy boys
@@javiervasquez625 also zonite are very similar looking to luminous stones, said to hold the power of spirits, which if you use as battery, then I have to question one's morality
@@GenMars The Zonai rarely come off as "evil" in Tears of the Kingdom considering all the great things they built for the many tribes of Hyrule such as the mines within the Depths, the city of Gorondia, the water purification facility for the Zora, the Airship for the Rito and of course their electrical engineering network for the Gerudo. Just because there are a bunch of skeletons in the Depths you shouldn't jump to conclusions of anything given the lack of _evidence_ of any kind pointing at any culprit who may or may not have anything to do with their deaths. For all we know all those dragons died fighting Ganondorf during the Imprisoning War with no evidence left of his involvement so again i don't see the argument in attacking the Zonai for things which could be attributed to anything else.
The geography of Hyrule is way to similar to ALttP, you can even see a lot of landmarks from the SNES game that are tied to that specific overworld, so yeah, probably a Dawnfall game IMO.
I am persuaded that this is a sequel to Zelda 1. We are starting in Ganons room with a few creative flourishes. However, the world is fleshed out as it appears in the Capcom games. At any rate, fans have wanted a true ZELDA mode for thirty years
the sequel to zelda 1 is the adventure of link
Twinrova does appear in the Downfall in the Oracle games and they are Gerudo, so technical the Gerudo does appear in the Downfall split.
I have a similar theory.
I’m thinking that this game is going to be before Twilight Princess.
For the same things that you exposed here and because of the backstory of Twilight.
They mention that some “thieves” were exiled from Hyrule. I believe that, to seal the portal opened by Ganon, Zelda have to stay in that world.
And to stay Anonymous, they made up the story and began a new civilization from scratch “The twili”.
There’s a similarity also between Midna and Tri. Maybe Midna y a descendant of Zelda from the Twili.
I like the theory, you put in the work, but it's clearly a version of Hyrule caught in transition between Link between worlds and Loz 1. You can tell by the stone fields to the east Hyrule Castle, and the Lake Hylia Island that doubles as the Ice Dungeon in the Dark World.
Not only that, but those aren't Skultulas, those are Deelers, a semi common spider enemy in Link's Adventure, I know this is true because of the presence of another forgotten Link's Adventure enemy, the Aneru which looks a lot like the Boku Babba but smoother. Finally is the fact that in the BotW-esque shot of Zelda overlooking Hyrule, we see Death to the Northwest of Hyrule Castle. Death Mountain is usually to the East side of the map, one exception is in Link's Adventure. Granted it's to the South West, but that's why I say it's a transitional period between LBW and LOZ 1. Loz 1 doesn't have a Death Mountain, but it's direct sequel Link's Adventure shows that the first game was working with a much smaller map and has the entire first game as a small fraction of its map.
I find this theory compelling, but I personally believe that "Echoes of Wisdom" (EoW) follows "Four Swords Adventures" (FSA) and serves as a prequel to both "Breath of the Wild" (BotW) and "Tears of the Kingdom" (TotK). There is substantial evidence to support this.
In FSA, Ganondorf II transforms into Ganon, adopting a form similar to his appearance in the Downfall timeline. He wields the Trident, a weapon of darkness, capable of trapping people within a dark realm. This aligns with the rifts originating from Ganon's Trident seen in EoW. Notably, he is only sealed at the end of FSA, suggesting he could return at any time.
The Gerudo in FSA are nomadic and live in tents, whereas EoW features a Gerudo town reminiscent of the one in BotW and TotK. Additionally, the Gerudo are presumably either dead or absent in the Adult and Downfall timelines, only existing in the Child timeline.
Several species, such as the River Zora, Noble Zora, Skulltula, Bombfish, Lizalfos, and Deku Butler, are mostly exclusive to the Child timeline and all appear in EoW. While the Sheikah exist in all timelines, their iconography is especially prominent in the Child timeline, which could explain their presence in EoW. Additionally, EoW features an Octorok robot that could be a predecessor to the Guardians in BotW, as the Guardians were originally based on Octoroks.
EoW's Hyrule has similarities to the Hyrule seen in "A Link to the Past'' (ALttP) and "A Link Between Worlds'' (ALBW), to such a degree you could say they are the same, but most people forget that FSA also shares this very same map, making it evidence for both timelines. But EoW also features a Castle Town and has architecture more in line with what we see in TP, FSA, and BotW/TotK.
While many believe in the timeline convergence theory, I don't subscribe to it. Nintendo has never hinted at such a convergence in interviews or in-game. Our current understanding is based on what is believed in Hyrule today-fairy tales and legends during BotW/TotK, as stated in "Creating a Champion" (pages 360-361). Hyrule's long history is fragmented and partially lost due to the many Calamities, with most historical evidence, like monuments, leaning towards the Child timeline.
Therefore, I believe everything presented in BotW and TotK fits well within the existing timeline. EoW just bridges BotW and the Child timeline, making TotK's placement in the timeline more cohesive as the end of the Child timeline, while also not retconning anything.
That's my take on the potential timeline placement. If there are any questions or disagreements, I'm happy to explain my theory in more detail.
Lorulean historian timeline rearrange would tell this is a sequel to four sword adventures and a prequel to alttp
Lol believing Nintendo puts any actual thought on the whole timeline thing.
I’m pretty sure it’s a continuation of alttp story or albw story which I personally would prefer. I think you’re stretching this a little. I’m personally done with the timeline crap every since totk released
Yeah, it has fallen hero timeline ganon in it.
Twightlight timeline has ganondorf
Downfall timeline: Wm i ajoke to you?
You (and many others) are likely putting more thought into this than Nintendo, who just care about making fun games, and then figure out how they fit in the timeline later, if at all.
I’d say a follow up to albw given the map i wouldn’t over complicate things into a tp sequel
Totk was supposed to be all about the twilight before it came out…
I know fans love TP 🤣
I think you look too much into it. The devs don’t restrict themselves, if they want Gerudo or something, they’ll throw in Gerudo regardless of timeline. That being said, the child timeline (post FSA) is my second guess for now, because there are similarities and possibilities- some of which you pointed out. My first pick is after LA and before ALBW. In my view, Nintendo don’t want to reuse the Alttp map a 3rd time, hence they took heavy inspiration from it, but changed and added things to make it fresh but still within that world. They aren’t going to say: “We can’t add a castle town because of the timeline”- they’re going to say: “Let’s add a Castle Town for players to have quests in!” … because it’s all gameplay driven, not timeline driven. If people ask: “How is there a Deku Tree? Gerudo? Sea Zora? Etc” … they’ll just say: “We just didn’t see them in Alttp” the same way we don’t see the Temple of Time in Minish Cap, despite that it’s meant to be there. Although I will note, Sea Zora are in OoX, so they do exist in the downfall timeline, but haven’t been seen in Hyrule anymore (yet).
Also unrelated, but imo, the theory of a convergence destroys the creativity of the timeline and has way too many problems. Nearly all of what people claim is evidence of a convergence is stuff we already see in games on the 3 separate lines as is- and then other “evidence” is such a huge reach. But that’s just my viewpoint.
@@WindMageMaster It can't be before A Link between Worlds as the Ganon from that Era's Hyrule remains sealed away/dead following his battle with the Hero of Legend awaiting for Yuga to come along and bring him back giving us only 2 alternatives of a sequel to either A Link between Worlds after Ganon's sudden revival or Four Swords Adventures after the reincarnated Ganondorf from that game was sealed away within the titular Four Sword.
The "convergence" theory (i prefer to call it the unification theory) makes sense for fans who simply wish to make sense of a timeline created by a lazy bunch of corporate executives more invested in keeping their profits by making fun games rather than writing a complex and engaging narrative to keep a bunch of grown adults invested in their specifically-made-for-children games so i personally don't see the "creativity" in allowing the aforementioned corporate executives to make their convoluted mess of a franchise even more convoluted than it ever needed to be.
@@WindMageMaster The only problem with it being after LA but before ALBW is that the Hebra range is snowy in EoW. ALTTP had a bare, mesa like mountain range and ALBW also reinforced this idea and made it slightly volcanic. I don't see how the mountains would become layered in a myriad piles of thick snow sheets and suddenly melts again. I would definitely say this happens after ALBW and TH with a different Zelda and Link.
@@javiervasquez625 Ganon is never sealed by the sages in Alttp or OoX. It doesn’t happen. Yet, in ALBW, we see he is sealed… meaning that a separate sealing event would need to happen before ALBW, but after AlttP and OoX. This game has the potential to depict that event. Depends on where the story goes and what happens at the end regarding Ganon.
The unification can make sense for you or other fans, but I don’t abide by it.
@@Notorious_Notepad Right, but the devs never make maps to correspond with the timeline. They’re more concerned with what will be fun gameplay-wise. Locations change dramatically, certain elements get removed then reappear throughout the timeline. The maps only have minimal timeline influence. I won’t say “nothing” but definitely minimal. From a dev perspective, if they were to make another game before ALBW… their thoughts aren’t going to be: “Great, let’s copy and paste this map for a 3rd time”… they’re going to want to change and add things. It could be after ALBW, but currently, my position (without knowing much about the game) is that an LA sequel seems likely.
@@Notorious_Notepad The _only_ problem despite the explicit lack of Death Mountain on the northwestern side of the map back in A Link to the Past...? It clearly cannot take place prior to either Triforce of the Gods games as both Hyrules lack a Death Mountain on the northwest for it to casually show up in the one prequel game before disappearing entirely until the events of the original The Legend of Zelda come along.
Considering that we have the fallen hero timeline ganon, I doubt it.
Good ass theory
Gerudo apear in the OoX games as do both types of Zora.
The creatures that are called Lizalfos likely just get called Geru/Daira in the downfall timeline.
Using the bomb fish as proof when it shares a scene with a fish only in the downfall tl is kinda disingenuous.
Sea zora do still exist in downfall timeline, but not in Hyrule (there are sea zora in Labrynna from oracle of ages)
Also there is a very similar enemy to lizalfos named geru in Zelda 2
I didn't know about the zora in OoA, my mistake. I think Labrynna is a different realm from Hyrule, but I suppose they could've migrated back.
The lizard-looking guys from Zelda 2 aren't lizalfos though; they're Gerus
@@barbecuesos6242 Labrynna is just another country. Impa travels from Hyrule to Labrynna and Holodrum by traditional means
@@Nyarlabrotep So does princess Zelda.Also, evidence is strong that this Zelda is the 1 from A Link to the Past.
all i hear is it could be after twilight princess, doesnt mean that it isnt possible it could potentially take place before twilight princess.
That wouldn't make too much sense since the Ganondorf we see in Twilight Princess is the same Ganondorf we see from Ocarina of Time after Link warned Zelda of his deeds in the future and he was sentenced to be executed.
i hope not, i want it before ages and seasons and links awakening, would be WAYYY more cooler than just putting it with a game that dont really has an interesting connection with
Lizalfos first appearance was in the downfall timeline, in Zelda 2.
There's a lizard-like enemy in Zelda 2, but it's a different critter; they're called Gerus
Seems unlikely to make a sequal to a game but give it the opasite art style.. zelda always links the games together with the art style, for example Wind Waker and Spirit tracks
I thought about that too, but that's usually only the case with direct sequels. Wind Waker / Spirit Tracks is the series' only exception where they went and made other games and then came back to the same art style later
The sea zora are in the downfall timeline.
Easy to shoot down this theory as when you look at the picture of Zelda overlooking Hyrule you can tell it's the Hyrule from ALttP.
why would that discount anything? Hyrule's geography in the Downfall and Child timelines would be the same
@@barbecuesos6242 That's not how zelda games work and we all know it.
ALttP happens LONG before OoT and OoT happens a decent amount of time before TP, if anything it's a a sequel to either Link's Awakening or A Link Between Worlds. Hell it could even be a sequel to ALttP.
@@megaman37456 Thank you! This map is clearly the ALttP map expanded!! Meaning it has to be in the downfall timeline!
@@megaman37456 Four Sword Adventures Hyrule looks exactly like the one shown in the trailer for Echoes of Wisdom with Death Mountain to the northwest and Mount Hebra to the northeast so i can't see why some people simply can't compare the Hyrules from both games and reach the most logical conclusion.
@@javiervasquez625 Ehh, not really. I played the hell out of 4 sword adventures, sure the art style might resemble it, but the full shot of hyrule we got in the trailer shows landmarks from ALttP, such as the lake dungeon, Hyrule castle in it's ALttP design, Eastern Palace, and a couple of others who's names I forget atm.
Or perhaps it doesnt belong to the old timeline , like botw and totk
not impossible
This game for me has as many mixed timeline elements as BOTW and TOTK.
For example, not to discredit your theory, this map is a near 1-1 expansion of the ALTTP and ALBW map, which both take place in the downfall timeline. These multiple locations that are similar are Lake Hylia, Lost Woods, the Eastern Palace, Kakariko Village, the boulder field and the Castle itself. Both species of Zora appear and are only seen together in the Oracle games. Zelda's dress design is most alike to ALBW's Zelda. And finally, Ganon would have to be a new entire Ganon seperate from TP and FSA, or resurrected; but that is unlikely as he isn't killed in his beast form. If you say this is after FSA, the four sword isn't mentioned at all, and most likely won't be as Zelda uses her Tri rod instead.
The Deku returning is confusing and the Gerudo town here looks a lot like its FSA version. But, to disprove this, the Gerudo weren't seen in TP, but returned in FSA, displaying their resilience. They could reappear in the downfall timeline top, but this is merely a stretch.
Overall, the Zelda timeline is broken twicefold, with BOTW and TOTK ruining continuity as a whole...
The map is explicitly more similar to that of Four Swords Adventures compared to either A Link to the Past or A Link between Worlds. Also, just because the Ganondorf from Four Swords Adventures was last seen sealed away inside the Four Sword that shouldn't be an impediment for him to appear in a sequel game provided he _escaped_ from the Four Sword in order to be the current incarnation of Ganondorf during the events of Echoes of Wisdom. Finally, you're very much right about the Gerudo appearing in Four Swords Adventures so in all due respect i feel one must be openly in denial to not accept all the evidence which points at the Child Timeline been the placement for Echoes of Wisdom given the aforementioned points you yourself have brought forward making it clear that it's the most plausible timeline for Echoes of Wisdom to take place in. ¿Does the evidence outright prove that it takes place in the Child Timeline...? No, it does not but that doesn't mean the evidence presented so far in the trailer cannot lead you to reach that conclusion.
As for the Era of the Wild duology i see no problem in deducing they take place so far in the future of *all* 3 the timelines that it's simply not a problem.
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It doesn't look like the FSA map... If he escaped, I doubt Zelda would be able to defeat him with chairs; FSA's incarnation took 4 links, 6 maidens + Zelda and an enormous amount of force gems together to just seal him. I don't believe EoW's Ganon is FSA Ganon at all if he was vanquished by one Link without the Master Sword or silver/light arrows.
@@Notorious_Notepad In one game it took "4 Links, Zelda and the 6 Maidens" to take him down while in _others_ it just took 1 Link, the Master Sword and the 7 Sages so i wouldn't take the gameplay-oriented Lore without a pinch of salt given Nintendo's track record of inconsistency when it comes to the many ways Ganondorf has been beaten throughout the series's history. Even if he's not the same Ganon from Four Swords Adventures nothing in the trailer refutes the possibility for the Ganon shown to be from the Child Timeline.
@@javiervasquez625 1. Ganon is not the same as Ganondorf.
2. If that Ganon is from the Child timeline, FSA still exists, there cannot be two Ganons in the same era.
3. The map is ALTTP and ALBW, this most likely happens in the downfall timeline with the new additions of other species 'just because'. There were no Gorons in ALTTP, but were added in ALBW. Therefore, other species can be added.
4. FSA had no Master Sword. The Four Sword cannot properly dispell evil as properly as the Master Sword; a pure, goddess blessed sword. Also Zelda is one of the seven sages, so there isn't any true inconsistencies present there.
5. It could take place in the child timeline, but only if FSA's Ganon is mentioned in backstory and is defeated before the new Ganon is reborn.
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1) "Ganon" IS the same as GanonDORF, the only difference been him becoming a large, anthropomorphic pig representative of his newfound demonic power. King Daphnes even refers to the Gerudo Ganondorf as "Ganon" following his transformation into a pig at the end of Ocarina of Time as an aknowledgement of his status as a Demon King.
2) Just because we never see the proper end of the one Ganondorf from a forgettable multiplayer game from 2004 it shouldn't be impossible for you to make the educated guess that should the Ganon from Echoes of Wisdom be revealed as a _reincarnation_ *after* the events of Four Swords Adventures that would most likely mean that any previous incarnations prior to the birth of this new Ganondorf must have been vanquished in order to justify this new reincarnation's appearance.
3) (Sigh) Have you even done the homework of actually comparing the map of Four Sword Adventures with that of Echoes of Wisdom before making the completley misinformed, contrarian conclusion that this new Hyrule's map is specifically based on the ones from A Link to the Past and A Link between Worlds...? Also, when did Gorons ever appear in A Link between Worlds??? Are you talking about Rosso? He's a _Hylian_ who only ressembles a Goron for reference's sake so i can't see how a Fire Sage who merely references the Gorons would magically lead you to deduce he IS a Goron when nothing in the game even entertains the idea. Finally, you completley missed the point of what i meant regarding Nintendo's complete apathy when addressing the myriad of ways in which Ganondorf has been vanquished across the timeline to insist that the Ganondorf from Echoes of Wisdom must be vanquished in the exact same way as his hypothetical predecessor was just because you wrongfully deduce that's how it MUST be done despite all the evidence proving otherwise.
4) Sure there's no Master Sword in Four Swords Adventures that vanquished the reincarnated Ganondorf... ¿So what? The original The Legend of Zelda didn't have the Master Sword around to vanquish that Ganondorf either proving that regardless of the Master Sword around it IS POSSIBLE to defeat Ganondorf without provided there's another strong sword around that can do it in its stead (eg: the Four Sword, Noble Sword, Biggoron Sword, White Sword, Magic Sword, etc.).
5) ¿Why should it be needed for the previous Ganondorf to be mentioned at all in order to justify this new reincarnation? ¿Did Four Swords Adventures even reference the one from Twilight Princess in order to justify the one we meet in the game...? No reason at all to aknowledge the previous one unless Nintendo wants it so.
5:43 bro just lying
I see where your coming from. Especially when Eiji Aonuma said botw was kinda supposed to explain things from the after math of TP but i assume they scrapped it and did something else w it so i wouldnt be surprised if this was that something else
When and where did Aonuma made such a statement? As i recall Breath of the Wild was always intended as a "soft reboot" of the timeline courtesy of it referencing all three timelines without specific evidence pointing at either one making it clear that the "Era of the Wild" is its own self contained Saga appart from all the previous ones in the "Era of Myth".
Source?
You kinda had my interest with the Child Timeline theory as I believe it is possible that it can be in the Child Timeline, but more likely after FSA due to BotW and TotK vibes from this version of Hyrule, as I'm believer that BotW and TotK take place at the end of the Child Timeline (please don't question this, I have my reasons, but that's not the main focus of what this comment is about), not an logically impossible merged timeline. Which is where you almost lost me by merely mentioning the convergence, especially as if it were already confirmed fact, which it isn't.
There is NO timeline convergence. It hasn't even been confirmed. And it won't or rather should NOT ever be since the idea of a literal convergence makes absolutely ZERO logical sense. You can believe that the Adult Timeline is somehow due to the same reason as the Child Timeline (Link being sent back), even though that makes no sense either. But believing in something that's literally completely illogical makes even less sense. But alas, you do you, I guess.😞
This timeline convergence theory honestly NEEDS to just die already! The only real reason it ever existed in the first place, even before BotW was even shown in 2014 was because so many people didn't like the idea of the timeline being split to begin with. I know this because that was me once upon a time. But at the end of the day, the theory is just an excuse to make the timeline linear again, which at that point they might as well just make the timeline linear again, but that makes no sense in itself. While the idea of a split timeline seems heard hurting as it is, at least you actually make sense of such thing. You can NOT however make sense of a convergence timeline, unless it's not a literal convergence, but rather additional split timeline branch where knowledge of all prior timelines exists.
And that's where I think this game more likely sets place in. A brand new timeline split from OoT, where Young Link was triumphant against Ganondorf, but Ganondorf still becomes Ganon, and the timeline from OoT finally takes a better more natural course of progression than the Downfall Timeline or Child Timeline, as Link didn't lose or didn't have to let the Hyrulean military and ancient sages deal with Ganondorf w/o him. Link actually wins against Ganon the intended way as truly according to the Hero of Time prophecy. Where Link not only has knowledge of Ganondorf's plot to take over Hyrule, but also knowledge of events that occur in all three timelines. Which I believe might even be covered in the "Modern Ocarina of Time Remake" that has been teased by Aonuma himself. The idea probably won't be as story heavy as I imagine, but they could find some clever way for Link to obtain knowledge of his and Zelda's faults from the three currently known timelines to prevent them in a sort of Zero Mission or Samus Returns like re-imagining of OoT. We have seen that kind of remake more often in today's "Modern" time, like the Resident Evil Remakes and Final Fantasy VII Remake.
No, I'm not saying that the OoT remake would be just like FFVII Remake or the Resident Evil Remakes. However, the remake might take notes from them, but follow more with how Zero Mission and Samus Returns did it by still having the original ending(s), but also including a new one. In the OoT remake, it may be possible to experience all three currently known endings, including the one leading to the Downfall Timeline to finally conclude the era of those three timelines by solving the mystery around the split timeline. Through new gameplay made possible due to the remake being in the same sort of engine as BotW and TotK, Link is able to acquire the means of stop Ganon(dorf) in his own present time and closing the door way through time with the Sword of Time (Master Sword) to prevent the split from ever happening again. However, the way these actions play out, eventually brings unseen consequences for Hyrule in far future, in this new game, Echoes of Wisdom. Due to Link gathering knowledge of events in three timelines through new Gossip Stones of Time, then that knowledge being shared with the King, Zelda, the ancient sages (this includes Rauru), the OoT chosen sages, the rest of Link's and Zelda's most trusted friends in Hyrule, heroes are not only aware of the prior timelines, but the villains too.
But not only that, but with rumors coming out to majority of people in Hyrule of these differing takes on Hyrule's history, a villain utilizes this chaos their advantage to beat the Hero of Time when he least expects it. In this new timeline, the Royal Family finally acknowledges Link as the Hero of Time as he was always meant to be. In more adventures following OoT in this timeline, before EoW, Link obtains an prehistoric powerful sword mostly ever known only to that of the Zonai, the sword that EoW Link has in the EoW trailer. The next 3D Zelda could even be an interquel of the OoT remake and EoW, set in a more expansive version of OoT's Hyrule, with more areas to explore. It is likely that in that game, Ganondorf inevitably becomes pig beast Ganon, meaning that could finally officially get to see the classic pig beast Ganon with his trident and everything in full 3D. Explaining more of why EoW happens the way that does. Perhaps EoW isn't actually the first time the rifts appeared. Maybe the Hero of Time's reincarnation in the new 3D Zelda had to close them because the villains are trying to break or tear through the barrier of time. And in EoW, the villain of that game was finally successful in using those rifts to not only trap the Hero of Time's incarnation in that game but also their competition in Ganon.
Before we conclude, a fun fact is that the sword that Link has in the trailer is actually the same design as the sword featured in the Fuse Ability icon. Anyways, as for the identity of the villain or villains behind these rifts, we don't really know for sure. However, a video done by Quest with Aaron tells us that villain responsible is likely that of angry or even evil god. The RUclipsr was able to find the word Kami used, which means god. And the words spirited away, which, in Japanese culture, usually happens when upsetting a vengeful deity or awakening or disturbing an evil deity. I believe that an evil deity is likely the villain of this new story arc starting with this game. And that villain is likely a character closely related to Zelda and potentially connected to even Link. It's likely that this villain is one that likely predates even that of Demise. They likely wanted the incarnations of Demise, the Ganon(dorf)s to do all the bad stuff for them so that they wouldn't have to. But due to all of Ganon's failures, this evil usurper deity, like Thanos in Marvel, has finally taken it upon themself to do everything themself. And also, like Thanos, they're sending everyone and everything in their path into the void, including even Hyrule's multiversal hero, Link, just like how Marvel's true multiversal heroes, Spiderman and Doctor Strange were spirited away in that franchise. I think it's very likely that Nintendo might've took some inspiration from Avengers Infinity War for this new game.
I apologize for the long comment, I just had a lot to say. And I know you believe a more convoluted head hurting timeline structure than I do. I just wanted to share my thoughts and feelings on why I don't believe in a literal convergence and why I believe that EoW sets in a fourth timeline that functions kind of like a convergence timeline, but isn't because a literal timeline convergence is logically impossible because physically merging timelines into one not only defeats the whole point of a split timeline, but in science, it just doesn't work in the end. And no, arguing that the rifts is somehow proof that a convergence happened wouldn't work because then that'd just make EoW boring by having the threat simply be the rifts themselves or by Goddesses trying to merge the timelines for no reason other than Nintendo dishing out fan service to appease split timeline haters. I understand we all have right to believe what we want, but causally mentioning a convergence like it's confirmed canon fact when it isn't only just turns people who don't believe in it like me off. Just wanted to state that for some advice to you, hoping that it helps improve your Zelda discussions. And to spread awareness that stating theories as fact is just outright unacceptable. That's literally why most MatPat haters hated him because of his theory videos being treated as fact when they're not (at least, not at the time they were made). Nintendo making a couple of them more factual only made those haters despise him even more. So I'm staying the majority of this last paragraph as warning. Please do not become the next MatPat! At least do not continue to do what made some people not like MatPat. You are only gonna turn people off!
Although it's pointed, we have seen the swirl like design before. Not only does it look like zonai and twili symbols, it also matches some of the picori motifs we see in minish cap and four sword.
Personally, I think the game is in the downfall timeline, I was thinking in the Hyrule we haven't seen that link comes from in ages and seasons. Somewhat debunked because they take place between alttp and a link between worlds. Although the link from OoS and OoA is a different link from alttp and link between worlds.
My other reasoning being is beast ganon. It could also be set in the downfall timeline after a link between worlds or even after the original game.
Again it all comes down to the fact that we've just seen Ganon, not Gannondorf.
Ganon's in the Child timeline too
@@barbecuesos6242 The ALttP map isn't though, that's why most people think it takes place in the downfall timeline.
@@UwUvatar Where is it stated that the Link from Oracle games is _not_ the same one from A Link to the Past? I'm pretty sure they are in fact the same Link as stated in both the Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia so i can't say i agree with your statement given the lack of any evidence within the canon Lore pointing at the "Oracles Link" been a seperate incarnation of him.
@@Notorious_Notepad (Sigh) Someone who hasn't played Four Swords Adventures i see.
I'm okay with saying this is set somewhere relative to FSA... but not somewhere relative to TP. The degree to which people these days accept Hyrule Historia as canon is crazy. If people actually played the games, they would know just how much that book's timeline makes things up and spits in the face of creator intent. FS and FSA have always been about the same Link and Zelda. FSA has always been set in the world of ALttP, giving a backstory to that version of Ganon. Now, could all the stuff from the "downfall timeline" be after TP? Sure, I don't see why not... but I'm hesitant.
TP's ending makes absolutely no sense, and the game just kinda... stops, without any conclusion for what happens to Ganondorf. We see a character who has already died do a cute little curious head tilt, and Ganondorf... just kinda stands there in shock. Link is apparently okay with just leaving Ganondorf standing there, and runs off. Is Ganondorf dead? Is Zant alive? There's no way to know is, and we know nothing set in ALttP's world can happen until a new male Gerudo is born, so... again, it's hard to place anything after TP without knowing what actually happens at the end of that game.
Timeline makes perfect sense based on events in game. You just aren't paying attention and are listening more to fan interpretation and headcanon than the literal games.
Only thing wrong with the HH timeline is the ad hoc "downfall" explanation. The actual placement of the games lines up exactly with the events of the games as told in the games.
All of your nitpicks are either just tiny nitpicks or misunderstandings on your part. Again, Hyrule Historia literally just describes the events of the games as described either by the games themselves, manuals, or creator statements.
It's people like you spitting in the face of creator intent by screaming that the creators are wrong and YOUR timeline/interpretation of the games is actually correct.
Considering everything in HH is sourced from the creators and simply compiled by Dark Horse, the whole "it's not canon" dogshit you guys have pulled out of nowhere is silly. It has a list of sources, the info is based on interviews, and the only really issues is a grammatical error or two from translation issues causing a little confusion that is easily cleared up- if you actually paid any attention.
Pull your head out of your ass, get over yourself and listen to the creators when they speak instead of ignoring them and making up stupid reasons why they're actually wrong. You do not know better than the creators, and considering they're *literally* the people behind Hyrule Historia, your silly fan fiction version of Zelda doesn't override anything here.
If you're so eager to rewrite Zelda to your personal liking, I have some news for you: you aren't actually a Zelda fan. That was obvious enough based on your clear ignorance of basically the entire plot of the series.
Quit taking the word of speculative RUclipsrs so seriously and go play the damn games, and if you have before, fucking pay attention this time because you seem to have missed the fact the time line is laid out almost entirely in game. Maybe take a media literacy class first, so you don't walk away completely ignorant of what you played like you seemingly did last time.
People gotta stop calling breath of the wild BREATH 🤢
Like the Zelda theory though 😆
Im not gonna watch the video i just wanted to say that youre wrong.
ya know, disagreeing with someone without hearing their reasoning is very bad practice; often times you can learn something from the other perspective, even if you don't end up agreeing with them.
I'll still take the comment though, algorithm loves those things
I've given up on the timeline ever since they published the official one, and especially after they later changed it. But I appreciate the speculation game from people like you.
Why? The official timeline is very much consistent to this day ever since the published it in the Hyrule Historia so i can't see why you would give up on it when it's clear Nintendo does care about it to the point of keeping it consistent with every new title that comes out.
@mandatorial I agree, the convergence of the timelines just seem like a reset to the franchise, so they aren't limited to previous lore, events and limitations.
But the official timeline is literally just a list of the events that happen in game.
The games consistently tell us when they take place on the timeline without fail and the official timeline is just.. laying that out. Exactly as the games describe.
You being too attached to whatever headcanon you made up at whatever point doesn't overwrite the literal events of the game and statements from the creators. The ONLY actual contentions of the official timeline are "downfall" explanation and the eventual swapping of Links Awakening and the Oracle games.
Everything else is just.. laying out what the games already told us. You guy's insistence that it doesn't make sense just shows you didn't pay attention whatsoever when playing the games, because anyone who did understands the timeline was basically laid out to shut up the people who didn't, except then you guys decided you know better than the literal creators of the games.
Sorry, but I'll take the word of the developers and writers over arrogant fan fiction writers who learned everything they know about Zelda from speculative theorizers on RUclips who seemingly also didn't pay attention.
Stop speaking for the creators, go play the games again, and pay attention to this time. You'll never complain about anything but the "downfall" aspect again because- and you actually have to pay attention here- you'll realize the timeline is laid out in the games. It's very easy to understand, too, as fans had laid out most of the timeline years before it was revealed. And, again, the only difference was the explanation about the downfall timeline. This is not a mystery, it's not confusing, it's clearly laid out and either largely intuitive or *literally spelled out for you*.
If you don't actually like Zelda, just say that. I don't know why else you'd insist what the games tell you is somehow a lie. That makes absolutely no sense.
In fact, the speculation game from channels like this and people like you seemingly getting your Zelda knowledge from exclusively from them instead of like, I dunno.. the fucking games, is EXACTLY why you're whining here.
If you'd just play the games and pay attention, you'd get it. You refuse to do that, and instead just eat up whatever headcanon some random speculator pulled out of their ass because they also refused to pay attention.
I mean, you literally cannot play Wind Waker without the game basically laying out half the timeline in LITERALLY THE FIRST MINUTE. And that was just describing what happened in Ocarina of Time, so if you played that, you should be more than caught up.
Considering there are 3 confirmed direct sequels to Ocarina, bam. The rest of the timeline more or less immediately falls into place, even if the "downfall" explanation is less than elegant.
I've been paying attention to the timeline argument for like, 20 years now, and I honest to god still don't understand why it even is an argument. Just play the damn games, and it explains itself.