Why people in Brazil believe in spirits like orisha | VPRO Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
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Why do people in Brazil believe in spirits like orisha? What is an orisha and what does he mean to people in Brazil that are Candomble practitioner? Do people talk with an orisha or other spirits or how do they get in contact with them? In this documentary we visit Brazil and get to know Candomble practitioner that are believing in spirits like orisha.
Sunny meets Samantha that is a Candomblé practitioner, a religion that originated during slavery. It's a mix of several West African religions, Catholic saints and native Brazilian influences. In Salvador you see depictions of orishas, the gods of nature everywhere.
In the west we believe in what we call `being normal`. If you behave outside the norm, you get pigeonholed. In Brazil they believe that the spiritual dimension, spirits or orishas, have a huge impact on your state of mind and the course of your life. In this episode Sunny Bergman visits Brazil where spirituality is very popular. There, feeling "normal' doesn't mean the same as it does in The Netherlands. Sunny explores the Afro-Brazilian religion and rituals “Candomble”, where behavior isn't seen as part of your personality, because it's influenced by ghosts. Blurring the frontiers of what is normal or not, making any behavior more easily accepted in society.
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So interesting to see how the Orishas are openly embraced in Brazil yet are not so within Nigeria. Many thanks for this wonderful documentary!
If you haven't been to the city of Salvador in Brazil you should definitely try to go. I've been to several of the location they show in this documentary. If you want, you could look at the documentary on my channel that I did in Salvador about Capoeira. It's quite an experience learning about Afro-Brazilian people & culture.
@@Qtownbrown I have been to 24 states in Brazil and the complaint from Brazilians about this alleged 'documentary' is that it is leftist and one sided from the interviewers perspective. She has taken a very small specific area on the east coast of Brazil in the state of Bahia and around there and try to generalize about all of Brazil being this way, and that's just not the case in addition, she bastardizes the things that she's supposed to be learning about and instead imposing her perspective on those people
And the Caribbean Islands. Am from Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 and you can't get all the info from a video. Love this video
It's not openly embraced here at all. It's a demonic thing. Brazil is huge. And it's a christian country.
Infelizmente sofremos muito preconceito ainda por escolhermos as religiões de.matriz africana, por ignorância ja fomos atacados varoas vezes ,.. porem como sempre falo quando o calo aperta.. é la que vão procurar ajuda
Definitely not all Brazilians believe in Orixás. Brazil has continental extensions and there are several cultures that overlap and coexist. Unfortunately many people are prejudiced and still reject these religious manifestations, especially the ruling classes that have a very strong influence on education and society ...
People are free to reject belief in the orishas, just as many reject Christianity nowadays.
@@EspelhodaLuz It's one thing to reject a belief but it's a different matter to allow a prejudice based on a rejected belief to influence someone in a position of political or social power to mistreat or marginalize those of other beliefs. Historically, those of African-based beliefs get mistreated by institutions who are hostile to African-based beliefs.
Here in Brazil there is a great religious syncretism: it is very common for people who claim to be christians to also attend spiritualism, umbanda or other religions. There are many paths that connect heaven and earth. This is the great lesson for humanity in the third millennium: God has no religion.
That's what you believe but a true Christian would never believe in these pagan religions
That's wrong. People who think they are following God by going to these demonic places never read a bible in their life. Catholics never read the bible, that's why they make those mistakes.
@@mrnarason there is a difference between religion and spirituality, pagan is indigenous, and spirituality not limited to what is only within custom, though there are some pagan folk who are closed and religious, plus Jesus is of pagan, originally before the rewrites, he is a demigod, if you want to know how I'll tell, but if you're not open to knowing, then ok, but just really think on things
@@mrnarasonwho are to define a true Christian? You r just a racist! Maniac!
@@mrnarasonJesus loves all orishas and the Orishas love Jesus
The filmmaker encounters the limited way of thinking of western culture. I think being open minded, as is meant with the expression, isn't as open as westerners like to say/think about themselves.
We've all heard reports of spirits that come in soft and then wreak havoc..
i.e. ouija is one example
So we take a cautious approach..
Ouija is not a traditional religion. It’s totally different. You can respectfully approach without believing, like myself, an atheist. Non believers have to study, from anthropological and historical perspective, not try to “experience” such a think. Non believers shouldn’t try to believe and have to make it clear to the religious people: “I’m here to study”
The interviewer was very judgmental and the natives perceived it and did not appreciate it. Her bias towards her own world view was very evident.
its the contrary
No she was very gentle
Well.. you can't blame her. There ain't anything paranormal going on.. just people dancing in religious outfits.
@@peterbneto ..and excellent integrated psychiatric care
For those interviewers to not feel anything, is because they don't have a connection to the spirituality, nor they'll get access because it's not for them to experience, so of course they are going to see the natives as looney when they're not, they are just scared and very judgemental, and they don't know what possession looks like nor how it feels to be touched by a spiritual
41:58 'you don't feel', majorly underrated moment
She feels curious, concerned and finally hurt at the mysterious sudden defensiveness . . .
...did a spirit tell them to block her out?
because she may discover something dark going on ...?
unknown
Emotions are overrated
Religions aren’t very “rational”.
In the native religion of the Yoruba people, Orisha (spelled òrìṣà in the Yoruba language, orichá in Cuban practice and orixá in Brazilian practice of Latin America) are spirits sent by Olodumare for the guidance of all creation and of humanity in particular, on how to live and be successful on Àiyé (Earth). Most Òrìṣà are said to have previously existed in the spirit world (òrún) as Irúnmọlẹ̀, and then become incarnated as human beings here on Earth. Others are said to be humans who are recognised as deities upon their death due to extraordinary feats accomplished in life.
Practitioners traditionally believe that daily life depends on proper alignment and knowledge of one's Orí. Ori literally means the head, but in spiritual matters, it is taken to mean a portion of the soul that determines personal destiny.
Demons
Exactly. Summoning spirits? How do they know the spirits aren't lying? Very dangerous.
@@friendlyfire7509 A friend of mine believes entities can travel through space and time and infect people like viruses do , some are pure evil he says , he says be careful what u open the door (yourself) to !
@@friendlyfire7509 unless you have a deep connection to a Divine to call in aid or honor, you'll never understand, Catholic and Christian folks never understand, and for the record, Jesus is a demigod, think on that
@@thiagom1054 You don't know what demons look like truly, if you call divines you know nothing about nor know personally a nega-divinity, keep your Catholic and Christian bullshit, ohh and also, Jesus is a demigod, if you want to not have a closed mind and know how is that, then I'll tell you
The narrator's obsession with "normality" borders upon the pathological. Just keeping tallies on how often she uses the word "normal" suggests that conformity is so deeply rooted in her understanding of reality, that she may need to reconsider why being regarded as "normal" matters so much to her...
The interviewer is irritating, but this is a good documentary
"People in Brazil" Brazil is a predominantly catholic country. Some Brazilians not "Brazilians believe". A small minority of Brazilians believe in orishas
Uuuh tem uma cética brasileira aqui. (isso se não for crente)
@@meldelsful não sou cética eles são tendenciosos em fazer as pessoas acreditarem que todos os brasileiros praticam religiões africanas
Thank God this is just the minority of people here in Brazil that believes this demonic thing.
@@meldelsful , ele falou alguma mentira? A religião católica é predominante no Brasil, seguida da religião evangélica.
Orisha is a City in India.
Orissa , now called Odisha .
African Brazilian religion is only practiced for 3-5% of the population. Brazil is a predominantly catholic and protestant country. Yoruba religion is a small minority of Brazil. The documentary don't say this detail 🙄🙄🙄
It's Brazil, no U.S. Brazil is the land of all saints.
still, most practicioners of African Brazilian religion identified themselves mostly as Roman Catholics
To ask why someone believes in something is contradctive in itself, it´s the very opposite of faith. Unless you are already prone to this type of energy, you need to 1st believe it to then experience it, not the opposite. The main character there is also not knowleadgeable or iniciated enough to give this doc some consistency, When asked difficult questions, she flips, or escapes. Her lots of mood swings, etc, comes from an underveloped spirituality that she obviously has. Deriving out of the main character misguiding this, the lack of precision in many concepts expressed are frustrating, even mixing different religions such as Candombé and Umbanda. The director is most likeky an atheist, wich is ok, but she is very disrespctfull to say the least. Just because you dont feel it or see it, does not mean it´s not true. There are hacks in those religions? Of course there are as in any other religion or even medical doctors, for example. In summary, lost 50 minutes of my life. 45 watching this and 5 to write this comment that I feel I just needed to.
Samantha is an empath
"Why people in Brazil believe in spirits like orisha" omg they have visit just ONE city in Brazil and said that the whole population believe in it! I am from the south where there is a huge community of catholics (portuguese, spanish and Italian descendents), protestants (mostly german descendents), orthodox (ukranian and russians) and ALSO Candomblé/Umbanda (african descendents). Bahia is the state with the most african heritage in Brazil and that's why Candomblé is stronger there. Brazil is very diverse we can't take one small sample of the culture and say that you have the whole profile of a continental country.
@Moshing Dutchman I just didn't link the way it was portrait, like when the girl had a mental breakdown in USA and was sent to a mental hospital and the interviewer asked "if it happened in Brazil, would this be treated differently?" And she said "yes", man if you have a mental breakdown anywhere in Brazil you will be sent to a hospital, people will not try to treat you with "magic". Perhaps you can understand that this is not our averyday life, but some other person less informed could think that we (Brazilian society) don't praise our modern scientific development in health issues and seek to get spiritual treatment, which is VERY inaccurate, we are as much into modern medicine than any other modern county. I thought that the way that this documentary portrait "the Brazilian culture" is misleading and could feed a distorted view of our society, that's what pissed me off.
Concerning the "better than see latin people dancing like germans", well I am proud of what we have accomplished as a young civilization, and most of our culture that I am proud of came from the same african roots as Candomblé and Umbanda like Samba, Capoeira, african influence in our language, literature and so one.
Eles querem a todo momento mostrar que a cultura do Brasil é de pretos. Vai entender.
@@watson494 science has been corrupted for a couple of centuries. The real cures for.disease have been hidden from the masses. When I lived in Brazil, I never went to the doctor. We did clay packs and herbal tintures, and natural remedies. To this day, these are the things that I find actually CURE, not just enslave you to ongoing pilll treatments.
Eles tentam africanizar o Brasil da uma raiva
I know what you meant... they should change the title to "why SOME people in Brazil believe......." and I have a cool fact, The most Afro-religious city in Brazil is Cidreira, located in Rio Grande do SUL, ;)
In Candomblé, we do not believe in the possession of the body by a spirit. When we are born, we are each born with the energy of a certain Orixá. During the ceremonies, we believe that that energy that you have already in you since birth arise from the inside of your body outwards putting you in trance. Also, it isn't everyone that can get into trance. Candomblé is a religion with hierarchy. Also there are different types of Candomblé (Ketu, Bantu, Djedje, Efon). In the Candomblé Ketu, when you start in the religion, you are called Abia, after the iniciation you will be called Yawo which gets into trance, Ekeji or Oga. There is another religion in Brazil called Umbanda which believes in the possession of the body spirits. Also, one could guess which Orixá reigns on the head of a person but only the buzios can say which Orixas a person has and only during the roncó zeit you will really learn which Orixá will reign your head.
In Yoruba religión THE ONLY WAY YOU KNOW WHAT ORISHA IS QITH YOU IS WITH CARACOLES CEREMONY NO LOOKING THE PEOPLE
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Slavery and colonisation put a lot of barriers that were overwhelmed by changing a little bit the original isese and ifa. Mojuba!
The caracoles didnt answered me my guidance orisha, still many priests straightly says they see the same Orisha-energy within me. Of course I do need the caracoles to confirm
Samantha is highly sensitive and empath soul. It is very rude from the interviewer to have those misbelieves inspite she was showned around with trust.
So we are made up of spirits, we can have one, none? or several . some we what to keep some we don't, some we learn from and let go and others we identify with and keep, seems like a good way to live but also seems like a lot of work.
sounds like a community ... a VERY large one, including all those spirits ...
Seems like demonic posession.
@@thiagom1054 Again, you know nothing of what a true demon looks like, don't dare talk about divines you know nothing about nor know personally
on a regional variance, awareness on spiritual matters is superior in Brazil.
Wow. There is so much wrong here lol
Hey, brazillian who grew up with umbanda here.
If someone claims they know something like your head shakra Orisha (like they said you're a daughter of Oxossi), or someone who says they hear the orishas without being a very sensitive medium who listen to their entities since they were a child, they're very probably full of shit.
People have their own ego and can get drunk in power no matter the religion. This religion can make people say they are certain of things cause they feel it or worse, hear it. I've met mediums who listen to their entithies and they are different than a cult leader drunk in power. (I'm not saying that the guy who said it were it, but the woman who were with you was saying things she wasn't actually sure. She liked being cerrtain and being in a position of teaching). And just a side note, they don't hear the orishas as far as I know, just the enthities that work closer to them, your guardian angels you could say. All of the mediums do learn how to listen to their intuition that doesn't come from their unconcious brain. This intuition, everyone, medium and non medium can hear if they develop their spirituality and learn how to differentiate it from their own thoughts.
Catholic preist were known to be rapists. the message of the religion is there but people don't know any better. The entithies would stop working with you if you would be that catholic priest equivalent.
this is simal to what the dark spiritss in benin and togo seems they followd them
What you mean
Falou merda
Yungian vibes
I wanna dress like Exu, have whiskey and whiskey. Good video.
O Ceará é católico 😊
Samantha is indeed very bipolar. I wouldn't be able to spend 5mins with her.
And Samantha finds it hard to spend time with a grounded person like the narrator.
I thought the narrator was trying to learn, good on her. She didn't really understand much about the culture, but we can't blame her for that. She is trying.
I feel like samantha was facing some trouble and was hoping her religion would fix her, so she was very angry when the interviewer showed the least sign of skepticism, because if she was wrong about the "power" of her religion, it would mean that her hope of feeling better would be lost. I hope she feels better now.
Jesus Christ is Lord. Turn to Him.
This is f****** nuts over there for sale
What she getting mad for? If it ain't worth showing, it ain't worth doing.
2 rd corinthians 11.14..Satan can transform himself as an angel of light. These guys need to meet Jesus
Our magic will deal with your own god.
Jesus is weak. Sango and oshun will deal with your “god”
You mean the religion of the people who committed the indigenous genocide in the Americas ?
Exactly. And catholics don't read the bible, that's why they let those things enter their religion. These are demons. Just read the bible...
You are clearly misguided, you don't know anything about the órisá nor know personally through spirit, you quote rewritten formats that came from books long before the Catholic and Christian tainted bible, and Jesus is a demigod, if you want to know and come out that open mind, I'll tell you but if you are religious and want to stay in your trapped cage of enforced through all times customs, and according to your customs the Lucifer you believe is the enemy was an angel until defiance happened and cast him out, and Lucifer means light bringer or bringer of light, Satan also has a different means of name