Hi Jimmy, I have seen almost all your videos and listened to your talks for many hours. Totally honestly, this is far the best I have seen from you. Respect 👍👍💯💯
You started very well touching the sore areas asking how a new generation of "true" photographers - interested in aestgetic questions - could be fostered but then you slided into a gear and social media frenzy that let me assume you had been well breeded by the industry, by our frenzy system. The once enigmatic and unfortunately so prophetic statement of Marshall McLuhan "the media is the message" now becomes a terribly realistic meaning where the reality (whatever that may be) is replaced by multimedia spectacles and their endless reflections in the multimedia multiverse.
Fascinating, I had a conversation with a professional photographer who mainly specialises in portraits and event photography who relies on the smart features of their kit. Anything outside their comfort zone was avoided.
My employers tried the "Everybody just take pictures and videos with their smartphones" approach but not surprisingly the quality of portraits and event photography was not up to scratch. We're back with real cameras again.
Thanks for the honest opinion. I am probably, like most, a hobby photographrer. My OMD EM-1 mk 1 and mk 2 still do what I want and they both look great and still bring me alot of joy in my weekend photo outings. I print for myself and family only so 20 MP is plenty. The system and lenses is small, light weight and fantastic for travel. If I ever get into videography it would be a DJI pocket, GoPro or maybe even a pockable camcorder.
just make a small camera with two dials weather sealed with Ibis how hard can it be. They always make them with bits missed off and add stuff we don't need!!!! so frustrating. I think the biggest problem is that they don't listen to the consumers, manufacturers just make stuff they think we might like !. Your right Jimmy
Exactly. I don't mean any offense by saying this, but I don't care about all the AI based subject detect stuff. I don't want it and I don't use it. I would imagine that adds to the cost of the camera. I would love to see a camera company forget that stuff and make a camera out of high quality material, weather sealed (like you said) and a viewfinder. I actually feel like we are seeing lesser quality items for the same (or in most cases more expensive) price. Makes me sad. I picked up an old dslr recently since they were so cheap and it had everything I needed to take photos. I forgot how much I really enjoy using and ovf as well.
@@just_A_Hack You might not need subject detection but some of us do. Different needs = different tech for different people. Having animal detect and high frame rates is helpful when I'm doing wildlife photography. If you don't need that stuff just stick with the cheap old dslr's like you said and be happy you don't have to pay the premiums that we do.
I absolutely agree - I have long thought that, in many ways, modern digital cameras have become too complex. They have systems to speed up the process of taking a photograph by giving tracking and auto-everything, but it can often take more time and effort to decide what combination of features to use to take the photos. For some time now I have yearned for a camera that is, essentially, based upon the Olympus OM1 - small and compact is part of it, but the fantastic way that shutter speed, focus and aperture are all controlled with one hand - the one that is supporting the camera body - using controls that are concentric to the lens. This was a superb design decision, and it would be lovely if that could be replicated now. Things like tracking would be nice to have on a control. Iso could be done in much the same way that the OM1 did it - lift and turn a dial to select ISO, and turn without lifting to select compensation. That camera was a master-class in design for usability, and it would be wonderful if we could get something essentially similar. TBH, I would forgo many of the facilities available nowadays - including tracking - for a camera the same size and shape as an om1, full frame, similar size lenses. I'd even forgo autofocus...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. You are right about the manufacturers losing the site of the customers demands. Obviousely the young are still interested in photography and shoot film. Only Pentax came with a new film camera. The truth is that when the trends change it takes some years to produce new camera due to production lines. When the small kameras like Fuji x100 models became popular, only Panasonic and now Fuji responded to what we wanted but only partially looking at the specs. Extra megapixels is not a must but EVF and good and light lenses are for exemple.
Cheers Jimmy , this is Sean in Atlanta! I totally agree with you, my friend! The camera market has gone absolutely bonkers! I am a photographer and I take zero, zero videos. Mybiggest dislike with modern cameras are those idiot flip out screens that I only use as a handle! I get it if you take videos, I do! But I do not and so I absolutely cannot stand the thought of a camera with that type of screen. The second thing that’s out of control are the prices ! If I wanted to spend $4000 to $6000 on a new camera body , I would get a used Leica. And I honestly don’t appreciate having to manually focus every single image I take! And lastly, it’s the mega pixels! Stop, already! We have more than enough! So I am in total agreement with you and I’m sure there will be folks who disagree with me. Fine. I want a camera with a tilt screen, or a fixed screen because that’s how a camera ends up being if it has my hated screen. Sorry! I feel better getting this off “my chest”, whatever that means! Sean
Jimmy, you are spot on. Many photographers today call cameras unusable simple because the autofocus is not the fastest on the market or the tracking and frame rates are not super fast or low light performance doesn't match the grain structure of Kodachrome 25. Sometimes my sarcasm comes out and I wonder out loud how any images were captured back when focus was manual, the fastest motor drives were 5 frames per second and the highest color film was ISO 400 or a very grainy Konica 1000. Yet, there are many iconic images from that era in all categories, wildlife, sports, concerts. How? By today's standards those cameras are unusable to many modern photographers. Photographers needed to anticipate plays in sports. They needed to observe wildlife and anticipate behavior patterns and they didn't have the luxury or shooting 3,000 images during a wedding just to create an album with 24-48 photos. They had to find ways or resolving lighting issues with strobes of other lights. You had to have knowledge and be very selective before pressing that shutter button. I think manufacturers need the digital equivalent of a Pentax K1000, basic, fully manual exposure and no bells and whistles (okay, maybe keep the autofocus so you can repurpose the lenses when you upgrade). BTW: I have an EP1, an EM1 MKIII and an OM1 MKII.
The fact is... hybrid is not the way to go for most professional work. It's best to invest in a great photo camera and then get a great video camera on the side. You can simply rent a Canon c80 or a Red if you need better video. Hybrid is good in of both worlds but will never deliver the best results. There is a reason Medium format is still the best for a lot of photography. Phase one wont be adding video for a reason.
The upside about all of this is that the cameras that are now seen as obsolete are still pretty damn good and can be bought for a decent price. The EM1.3 is crazy good for 600USD.
I found one for less than $600. Santa has possession of it now, but it will be under the tree on Christmas. Why spend the big bucks for a newer OM model for a few features that you don't need most of the time.
E-M1 III in what condition? Because anytime I look for one that has under 10k shutter count and in good shape is $800+ unless at a lower price in an active auction. The E-M1 III is a beast of a camera.
@@corykphotography Shutter count was 25, 051 and that wasn't an issue for me when the shutter is rated for 400,000 activations. The camera was like new, just a few small blemishes. It came with two Oly batteries and charger, and 2 aftermarket batteries with charger and a cheapie L bracket.
A few nights ago my 90D’s battery ran out of energy while doing street photography. I switched to my old and beginner’s Rebel T7 to keep shooting. I was actually amazed at the quality of the pictures. You’re right that knowing or learning what makes a picture a picture is the most important skill. You can take good pictures with any camera as long as you understand how to use them and their limitations. Great video and message!
Well said! I have the OM 1, and an EM 1 Mark 2, and numerous lenses with a field of view from 18-1200 (2400 with teleconverters). The OM 1 has great stabilization and I’m perfectly happy with its subject detection. I don’t plan to buy the OM 2. It’s not enough of an upgrade. I will take a look at the next upgrade, but I’m not sure I need more technology than I already have.
Camera manufacturers don't dare to do anything these days or have become totally unimaginative. I have a few ideas. 1. Replaceable/interchangeable monitor, foldable/swivelling, or optionally with cable >5 inches or a WiFi module. 2. Interchangeable viewfinders have existed before (prism viewfinder, shaft viewfinder), optionally with cable or WiFi. 3. And why not just have an interface that covers both options, prism hump down, monitor or WiFi module on. 4. Built-in wireless flash control (preferably compatible with Godox or something like that). Hot shoe makes room for point 3. 5. More cross-brand standards such as L-Mount or MFT, hasn't hurt any of the companies involved so far. 6. GPS, every cell phone can do that these days. 7. As far as I'm concerned, the inch indication on the focus scale can disappear (sorry to all the poor Americans). Okay, I'm just rambling again. Sorry, I'm an electronics engineer. I would have to think about it again for more. The filmmakers should come up with something themselves.
Photography is still about the artistry, compositions, framing and choices. That does not mean that the new tech is bad, harmful or unnecessary. The new tools are for those who need them or it can improve their quality of life, helping them take photos they could not take before. I think what people are going through is the same as what happened when digital surpassed film or the introduction or automatic modes and autofocus - a mix of gatekeeping and fear that the skills they learned were no longer required to take a basic photo. When I want to go slow with photography i just pull out my DSLR or shoot film, that always still available to you and much cheaper too. I see modern cameras as my "work" camera and old ones as my "fun" camera. Still, people need to learn that if they don't need a feature they should not buy it. The camera industry thrives on GAS which is a bad and a good thing. It means continual improvements for those who those features are relevant to and it also allows manufactures to have a consistent income stream. If people only need the most basic camera (MF, sealing, glass) the used market is saturated with those and many are well made and won't need to be replaced for a while. If the manufacturer can't sell what they normally do they may have to step out of the camera market which has already been stifled by smartphones or completely switch to only catering towards expensive high-end/collector products that won't be available to most people. All in all I think people unproductively complain too much about this and instead should focus on getting manufacturers to add the features we want rather than random ones they seem to think we need. I would love to manufactures add safety features so we won't worry about our gear being stolen etc. but none of the major ones have done anything.
Picked up a Lumix GF3 for £80 this week for a trip. It's a lovely camera, 13 years old: any decent photographer could use it to make great images. Makes me wonder what everyone's been doing for the last decade!
You are so right about the pursuit of technology and how it drives the market and gets consumers to buy gear that isn't really needed or has minimal improvement over their current gear. As an amateur, I've kept my costs lower by buying used which means you can save at least half of the original price. My second camera body, an Olympus M10 Mark II is pretty old by today's standards, but it's images are great and very comparable to the ones produced by my M1 Mark II.
Very interesting analysis. I have been analysing the camera technology market and companies in this sector for a number of years and there are parallels with other tech sectors, such as mobile phones. The hardware technology has evolved almost to a point where consumers dont really need more ( 4k, 8 k, video, 120fps, 60MP sensors, AF tracking, AI assistance) these are all small differentiators to many photographers rather than essentail features. Cameras have become hybrid still and video devices - whether we need it or not. Sales have declined from a peak of c121M units pa in 2010 to c 8M units in 2023, so manufacturers focus on higher margin, feature rich devices. Keen amateur photographers are currently interested in uniquely designed, quality stills cameras such X100VI, Leica Q3 and I expect we may see a time lag before manufacturers respond. As you pointed out current cameras still lack wider connectivity, an operating system, internal storage and cluncky and irregular firware updates. This doesnt happen with laptops or mobile phones. Perhaps manufacturers need a rethink ..........
You are pointing a problem that is not for the manufacturers. They need to sell cameras as that is their revenue stream. If they dont sell they go broke. Your points may also applies 50 years ago into the 1970's when autoexposure and in the 80's when autofocus came. Professional photographer said that you need to measure the light properly and manual focus the lens. That is the correct skill of photography at that time.
I totally with you on this issue. I simply cannotn understand why Panasonic has gone FF for videographers. A DJI or even a smartphone is all that 95% of bloggers need to create their content and easily post it online. Those manufacturers that has gone all in into FF and video are chasing the wrong market. Also, I still use older cameras, the newest being introduced in 2018. They are good enough for me and even at 24MP, I lack nothing for heavy crops or large enlargements. Photographers should first learn the exposure triangle, composition techiniques, lighting and mastering the genre they are interested in first. The camera gear is secondary. I no longer watch product videos and have not watched any video of the latest cameras from any manufacturers. They just bore me to death and I simply do not need the latest and greatest gadgets.
The BIGGEST mistake of the camera industry - seperating product lines by features even if the models share the same chipset. Instead they should have seperate by things like BUILD QUALITY and WEATHER SEALING. there ARE ways to make current cameras much more attractive - but for that "thinking outside the box" is required. The Alice camera is a good starting point - not because of its hardware, but the SOFTWARE SDK. That could enable a NEW WAY of taking photos and such a NEW kind of photograhpy ART... Somebody WILL MAKE IT, so photography has a bright future, even if seperated into AI-Smartphone/Product-, Documentary and new ART Photography... can't wait for it to happen.
of course there are things to advance. make a sensor smaller than MFT with tiny pixels that are able to get the clarity and low light/high ISO performance of 10x full frame. put 20ev stops IBIS and put it in a camera the size of say the OM5 or EM10. and then make lenses smaller. with the AI revolution, make small tiny lenses that max out at F4 but have the ability to choose literally any F stop and allow computations to create a photo with that F stop. a lot of ppl will push back saying "this isn't photography anymore" but honestly if you look at what already goes on under the hood of modern cameras and especially smartphones which are replacing the cameras, its already heading in that direction. i predict next gen cameras not about capture a moment, rather it is capture a memory or create art/aesthetic images.
Last week I bought new om5, after firmware update to 1.2, the raw file can't be processed by my om workspace, and the error opening raw file. Jpeg is fine. My om work space and om5 is on the latest version.
I stopped looking at modern digital cameras a long time ago. All of my cameras are at least 10 years old, a few are 25 years old. eBay is our friend. Whenever I have bought a new/old digicam, mainly for its sensor and JPEG engine, I switch everything off. I dont need any of it. Oh, and by the way, I am a retired professional photographer who everything that was possible in my career to succeed at excellence. We dont need any of this stuff to do excellent work. Just read the manual, switch everything off, and get to work.
Dont get me started; I just renewed my cameras; probably for the last time. I cant see anybody making me a camera I would want to buy in the future. AND I blame luvvie US RUclips reviewers. What I now do with a new camera is spend half a day turning off the "new features" that I dont want and will never use Pictures I take today are no better than I was taking on my brownie in 1957; I still have a couple of those in my online gallery. The last advance in cameras was IBIS. There has been nothing of much value to me since then. I take photos!!! Not video and most people dont take video either; they take snaps. Every camera on the market now seems to have no tilt screen because vlogers cant see themselves!!! They solved this problem with Sony A6600 & Z50. It fell on deaf ears. All cameras since have articulating screens. It would be nice if only video slanted cameras had that yet, the new Z50ii has no tilt screen and I bet the Z5ii will have it despite it being poor for video. Sorry Nikon I will keep my Z5. I would rather have a fixed screen than articulated as its at least robust. I will be able to buy these cameras I now have used, for the rest of my life. Sorry manufacturers; your new cameras suck. I will stick with my current cameras for rest of my old life. Frankly they have brought their decline on their own hands. If they found out what real people want instead of listening to reviewers; most of whom are totally rubbish, then photographers would be much happier buying new product - have fun ;-)
Hey good to see you Vici!! ahah no doubt, everything we buy these days have video features. It's a norm. I don't dislike them, because I make videos, but then again, I am a photographer by heart and really would love to see a 'photographers' camera. Some get close but let's see :)
@@Red35Photography Well I cant see me changing my present lineup which is predominantly Sony (A7ii, A7cii replacing my A6500, A6000 but I have Nikon for my legacy Nikon lens collection which is substantial. I just bought the A7cii to replace my APS camera but, the articulated screen sucks so I wont buy another. I treat it as fixed like my Leica TL2. Its useless for street where a tilt is far more convenient. Whatever, I wont stop taking photos and I canm get great stuff 20yrs old online which at age 73 should see me out. I just need good quality images for my online art installations ;-)
Wanted a good point and shoot pocket camera for my daughter (canon g7x mk3 or similar) but no stock and no idea when these cameras will be available. Prices are mad! Just bought her an older oly e-pl8 instead. Given up waiting for companies to get their sh*t together 😡
@@kiwipics yep, totally agree. My daughter was after a Fuji originally for the film simulations…must be a bit of a trend amongst the youngsters now that they’ve done the retro film camera thing. Spotted the used oly epl8 with a lens in immaculate condition in white that she liked the look of so we’ll see how that goes instead for less than half the cost of a new Fuji xm5 (which isn’t available for some time yet).
@dingoeatswolf3663 .. The Olympus EP and EPL have custom profile settings in all of their exposure modes. The colour and monochrome settings can be changed via the menu, and those can also be used as a 3 shot burst .. ie: 1@natural 1@vivid 1@b&w ... one shot at each with one press of the shutter button, and you can shoot like that even in RAW plus JPEG. The best option for easy colour profile changes are the Pen F (high prices s/hand) and the EP7, as they have a switch on the front for quick changes in JPEG only mode.
I did like my Lumix G90 a lot, but that crop in video shooting got annoying. But while looking at the market I couldn't find any good "upgrade" for me. I want to stick with M4/3, I like this system's glass so much, but any "upgrade" from the G90 is overkill for me. I looked at the E-M5 iii and OM-5 but I felt that for that money, even used, it wasn't a worthy G90 replacement. So I just found a pretty good deal with a used G9. And I still feel it is overkill. Seriously the G9 from 2017 is a beast ! What I actually want is a G90 without video crop or a better priced (or actually new) OM-5.
0:55 exactly! Why does the X-M5 have to be a hybrid photo/video, the T50 does that, the S20 does that. The X-M1 was photo first the 5 has a flippy screen instant turn off. On connecting to the internet yes they should have been working on this a long time ago.
0:745 :) I think we'll see a consolidation of camera brands, Sony buying Canon, or more ventures like Panasonic and Leica. Sony seem to make most of the sensors anyway! On prices, MPB are charging way more than RRP on some products now which is a shame.
I use manual exposure 99% of the time ... why not a very basic camera at a fair price ? ..... it would have a great sensor (whatever size) and be easy to use .... and for advanced photogs a manual only camera ..... :)
I dodn't agree with your statement that there isn't more to advance anymore. The camera industry is selling minor, 10% upgrades with every itteration, instead of really pushing the tech forward. For example, with all the milions of dollars invested into R&D, Nikon managed to release a Z50 II with the same 2018 sensor! Guess they have a few more from the old stock! No IBIS, are crop over cop for 4K60fps! Then they wonder why the sells went down! People are not stupid, at least not all of them. Why should I not get a Pocket 3 instead of spending on lenses and old tech cameras if I'm not a professional? Why should I pay thousands for a +500gr camera and sometimes over 700gr lens to vlog when I have the phone that gives me sufficient results? And then you need sd cards (V60 or even V90), card readers, batteries and chargers... and so on!
The thing is that most of the new models actually do not offer a new sensor at all and it could perfectly be a firmware update, for example EM1mkII -> EM1mkIII and OM1 -> OM1mkII. I would happily pay for an update if its worth it but I am definetly not paying thousands for another camera body
Saving that OM-1 to OM-1mk2 involves more & faster memory plus improved focus functions, which are hardware and cannot be done by firmware update. It is not always possible to squeeze a quart into a pint pot. There again, if you are not predominantly shooting wildlife, there seems little point upgrading from one to the other.
Your comment makes me ask, is any camera manufacturer willing to open their camera processor code to third party software developers to have a go at adding capability to that camera?
Its mad... Thats why Nikon released the z50ii without ibis.... They think newbies would just hear about pets tracking etc and be like... oh wow yeah... gimme some of that lol.
If you believe all that, the camera companies might as well throw in the towel and shut their factories. There are plenty of used cameras and existing cameras to satisfy the market for the next two decades. Long before then, smartphone cameras will have advanced so far anyway that nobody will miss dinosaur dedicated cameras. Apart from composition skills, no other skill will be necessary.
WHERE are the ENTRY-LEVEL CHEAP MFT cameras? Which have MODERN STANDARDS like USB-C and being able to used as a webcam? I have (buying order) Panasonic GF2, GF6, Olympus E-PL8 and Panasonic GX1. Buying the GF6 was a mistake as no click wheel.. no wonder that line was discontinued by Panasonic. But: these all are SMALL cameras. And there are NO REAL SUCCESSORS. Without entry level cameras for those Smartphone users who want to try out "something MAYBE better" - the Industrie doesn't offer anything then USED MARKET. And if the product managers would be smart, they would take a look at the prices there to find out WHICH models they should bring to life again... Panasonic GM1 ? "insane" money...
Hi Jimmy, I have seen almost all your videos and listened to your talks for many hours. Totally honestly, this is far the best I have seen from you. Respect 👍👍💯💯
You are 100% right mate!
You started very well touching the sore areas asking how a new generation of "true" photographers - interested in aestgetic questions - could be fostered but then you slided into a gear and social media frenzy that let me assume you had been well breeded by the industry, by our frenzy system. The once enigmatic and unfortunately so prophetic statement of Marshall McLuhan "the media is the message" now becomes a terribly realistic meaning where the reality (whatever that may be) is replaced by multimedia spectacles and their endless reflections in the multimedia multiverse.
Fascinating, I had a conversation with a professional photographer who mainly specialises in portraits and event photography who relies on the smart features of their kit. Anything outside their comfort zone was avoided.
My employers tried the "Everybody just take pictures and videos with their smartphones" approach but not surprisingly the quality of portraits and event photography was not up to scratch. We're back with real cameras again.
Thanks for the honest opinion. I am probably, like most, a hobby photographrer. My OMD EM-1 mk 1 and mk 2 still do what I want and they both look great and still bring me alot of joy in my weekend photo outings. I print for myself and family only so 20 MP is plenty. The system and lenses is small, light weight and fantastic for travel. If I ever get into videography it would be a DJI pocket, GoPro or maybe even a pockable camcorder.
just make a small camera with two dials weather sealed with Ibis how hard can it be. They always make them with bits missed off and add stuff we don't need!!!! so frustrating. I think the biggest problem is that they don't listen to the consumers, manufacturers just make stuff they think we might like !. Your right Jimmy
+ a decent EVF with PDAF AF - for me. :)
Exactly. I don't mean any offense by saying this, but I don't care about all the AI based subject detect stuff. I don't want it and I don't use it. I would imagine that adds to the cost of the camera. I would love to see a camera company forget that stuff and make a camera out of high quality material, weather sealed (like you said) and a viewfinder. I actually feel like we are seeing lesser quality items for the same (or in most cases more expensive) price. Makes me sad. I picked up an old dslr recently since they were so cheap and it had everything I needed to take photos. I forgot how much I really enjoy using and ovf as well.
@@just_A_Hack You might not need subject detection but some of us do. Different needs = different tech for different people. Having animal detect and high frame rates is helpful when I'm doing wildlife photography. If you don't need that stuff just stick with the cheap old dslr's like you said and be happy you don't have to pay the premiums that we do.
@@AstairVentof Don't get me wrong, I can see where it is helpful in some regards. I am glad it works for you and for those who use it.
I absolutely agree - I have long thought that, in many ways, modern digital cameras have become too complex. They have systems to speed up the process of taking a photograph by giving tracking and auto-everything, but it can often take more time and effort to decide what combination of features to use to take the photos. For some time now I have yearned for a camera that is, essentially, based upon the Olympus OM1 - small and compact is part of it, but the fantastic way that shutter speed, focus and aperture are all controlled with one hand - the one that is supporting the camera body - using controls that are concentric to the lens. This was a superb design decision, and it would be lovely if that could be replicated now. Things like tracking would be nice to have on a control. Iso could be done in much the same way that the OM1 did it - lift and turn a dial to select ISO, and turn without lifting to select compensation. That camera was a master-class in design for usability, and it would be wonderful if we could get something essentially similar. TBH, I would forgo many of the facilities available nowadays - including tracking - for a camera the same size and shape as an om1, full frame, similar size lenses. I'd even forgo autofocus...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. You are right about the manufacturers losing the site of the customers demands. Obviousely the young are still interested in photography and shoot film. Only Pentax came with a new film camera. The truth is that when the trends change it takes some years to produce new camera due to production lines. When the small kameras like Fuji x100 models became popular, only Panasonic and now Fuji responded to what we wanted but only partially looking at the specs. Extra megapixels is not a must but EVF and good and light lenses are for exemple.
Cheers Jimmy , this is Sean in Atlanta! I totally agree with you, my friend! The camera market has gone absolutely bonkers! I am a photographer and I take zero, zero videos. Mybiggest dislike with modern cameras are those idiot flip out screens that I only use as a handle! I get it if you take videos, I do! But I do not and so I absolutely cannot stand the thought of a camera with that type of screen.
The second thing that’s out of control are the prices ! If I wanted to spend $4000 to $6000 on a new camera body , I would get a used Leica. And I honestly don’t appreciate having to manually focus every single image I take!
And lastly, it’s the mega pixels! Stop, already! We have more than enough!
So I am in total agreement with you and I’m sure there will be folks who disagree with me. Fine. I want a camera with a tilt screen, or a fixed screen because that’s how a camera ends up being if it has my hated screen.
Sorry! I feel better getting this off “my chest”, whatever that means!
Sean
Jimmy, you are spot on. Many photographers today call cameras unusable simple because the autofocus is not the fastest on the market or the tracking and frame rates are not super fast or low light performance doesn't match the grain structure of Kodachrome 25. Sometimes my sarcasm comes out and I wonder out loud how any images were captured back when focus was manual, the fastest motor drives were 5 frames per second and the highest color film was ISO 400 or a very grainy Konica 1000. Yet, there are many iconic images from that era in all categories, wildlife, sports, concerts. How? By today's standards those cameras are unusable to many modern photographers. Photographers needed to anticipate plays in sports. They needed to observe wildlife and anticipate behavior patterns and they didn't have the luxury or shooting 3,000 images during a wedding just to create an album with 24-48 photos. They had to find ways or resolving lighting issues with strobes of other lights. You had to have knowledge and be very selective before pressing that shutter button.
I think manufacturers need the digital equivalent of a Pentax K1000, basic, fully manual exposure and no bells and whistles (okay, maybe keep the autofocus so you can repurpose the lenses when you upgrade). BTW: I have an EP1, an EM1 MKIII and an OM1 MKII.
The fact is... hybrid is not the way to go for most professional work. It's best to invest in a great photo camera and then get a great video camera on the side. You can simply rent a Canon c80 or a Red if you need better video. Hybrid is good in of both worlds but will never deliver the best results. There is a reason Medium format is still the best for a lot of photography. Phase one wont be adding video for a reason.
The upside about all of this is that the cameras that are now seen as obsolete are still pretty damn good and can be bought for a decent price. The EM1.3 is crazy good for 600USD.
I found one for less than $600. Santa has possession of it now, but it will be under the tree on Christmas. Why spend the big bucks for a newer OM model for a few features that you don't need most of the time.
E-M1 III in what condition? Because anytime I look for one that has under 10k shutter count and in good shape is $800+ unless at a lower price in an active auction. The E-M1 III is a beast of a camera.
@@corykphotography Shutter count was 25, 051 and that wasn't an issue for me when the shutter is rated for 400,000 activations. The camera was like new, just a few small blemishes. It came with two Oly batteries and charger, and 2 aftermarket batteries with charger and a cheapie L bracket.
For me, seeing cameras like the D3 and D4 go for prices around the 400 to 850 dollar mark really blows my mind
A few nights ago my 90D’s battery ran out of energy while doing street photography. I switched to my old and beginner’s Rebel T7 to keep shooting. I was actually amazed at the quality of the pictures. You’re right that knowing or learning what makes a picture a picture is the most important skill. You can take good pictures with any camera as long as you understand how to use them and their limitations. Great video and message!
Well said!
I have the OM 1, and an EM 1 Mark 2, and numerous lenses with a field of view from 18-1200 (2400 with teleconverters). The OM 1 has great stabilization and I’m perfectly happy with its subject detection. I don’t plan to buy the OM 2. It’s not enough of an upgrade. I will take a look at the next upgrade, but I’m not sure I need more technology than I already have.
I use a lumix gx80 and still get some great shots, I must say I would like a newer version of this with good focus
point and shoot cameras are instant on, ready to capture an image, phones are clumsy and never ready for a fast shoot
Camera manufacturers don't dare to do anything these days or have become totally unimaginative.
I have a few ideas.
1. Replaceable/interchangeable monitor, foldable/swivelling, or optionally with cable >5 inches or a WiFi module.
2. Interchangeable viewfinders have existed before (prism viewfinder, shaft viewfinder), optionally with cable or WiFi.
3. And why not just have an interface that covers both options, prism hump down, monitor or WiFi module on.
4. Built-in wireless flash control (preferably compatible with Godox or something like that). Hot shoe makes room for point 3.
5. More cross-brand standards such as L-Mount or MFT, hasn't hurt any of the companies involved so far.
6. GPS, every cell phone can do that these days.
7. As far as I'm concerned, the inch indication on the focus scale can disappear (sorry to all the poor Americans).
Okay, I'm just rambling again. Sorry, I'm an electronics engineer. I would have to think about it again for more.
The filmmakers should come up with something themselves.
Photography is still about the artistry, compositions, framing and choices. That does not mean that the new tech is bad, harmful or unnecessary. The new tools are for those who need them or it can improve their quality of life, helping them take photos they could not take before. I think what people are going through is the same as what happened when digital surpassed film or the introduction or automatic modes and autofocus - a mix of gatekeeping and fear that the skills they learned were no longer required to take a basic photo. When I want to go slow with photography i just pull out my DSLR or shoot film, that always still available to you and much cheaper too. I see modern cameras as my "work" camera and old ones as my "fun" camera. Still, people need to learn that if they don't need a feature they should not buy it. The camera industry thrives on GAS which is a bad and a good thing. It means continual improvements for those who those features are relevant to and it also allows manufactures to have a consistent income stream. If people only need the most basic camera (MF, sealing, glass) the used market is saturated with those and many are well made and won't need to be replaced for a while. If the manufacturer can't sell what they normally do they may have to step out of the camera market which has already been stifled by smartphones or completely switch to only catering towards expensive high-end/collector products that won't be available to most people. All in all I think people unproductively complain too much about this and instead should focus on getting manufacturers to add the features we want rather than random ones they seem to think we need. I would love to manufactures add safety features so we won't worry about our gear being stolen etc. but none of the major ones have done anything.
Picked up a Lumix GF3 for £80 this week for a trip. It's a lovely camera, 13 years old: any decent photographer could use it to make great images. Makes me wonder what everyone's been doing for the last decade!
You are so right about the pursuit of technology and how it drives the market and gets consumers to buy gear that isn't really needed or has minimal improvement over their current gear. As an amateur, I've kept my costs lower by buying used which means you can save at least half of the original price. My second camera body, an Olympus M10 Mark II is pretty old by today's standards, but it's images are great and very comparable to the ones produced by my M1 Mark II.
Very interesting analysis. I have been analysing the camera technology market and companies in this sector for a number of years and there are parallels with other tech sectors, such as mobile phones. The hardware technology has evolved almost to a point where consumers dont really need more ( 4k, 8 k, video, 120fps, 60MP sensors, AF tracking, AI assistance) these are all small differentiators to many photographers rather than essentail features. Cameras have become hybrid still and video devices - whether we need it or not. Sales have declined from a peak of c121M units pa in 2010 to c 8M units in 2023, so manufacturers focus on higher margin, feature rich devices. Keen amateur photographers are currently interested in uniquely designed, quality stills cameras such X100VI, Leica Q3 and I expect we may see a time lag before manufacturers respond. As you pointed out current cameras still lack wider connectivity, an operating system, internal storage and cluncky and irregular firware updates. This doesnt happen with laptops or mobile phones. Perhaps manufacturers need a rethink ..........
You are pointing a problem that is not for the manufacturers. They need to sell cameras as that is their revenue stream. If they dont sell they go broke. Your points may also applies 50 years ago into the 1970's when autoexposure and in the 80's when autofocus came. Professional photographer said that you need to measure the light properly and manual focus the lens. That is the correct skill of photography at that time.
That is why I am slowly going back to chemical photography!
Snapping with 5D MRK III, Hasselbald 503CX+CFVii 50MP. : )
Great vid! What’s that drone you’re using? Love it…👋🇦🇺
I totally with you on this issue. I simply cannotn understand why Panasonic has gone FF for videographers. A DJI or even a smartphone is all that 95% of bloggers need to create their content and easily post it online. Those manufacturers that has gone all in into FF and video are chasing the wrong market. Also, I still use older cameras, the newest being introduced in 2018. They are good enough for me and even at 24MP, I lack nothing for heavy crops or large enlargements. Photographers should first learn the exposure triangle, composition techiniques, lighting and mastering the genre they are interested in first. The camera gear is secondary. I no longer watch product videos and have not watched any video of the latest cameras from any manufacturers. They just bore me to death and I simply do not need the latest and greatest gadgets.
The BIGGEST mistake of the camera industry - seperating product lines by features even if the models share the same chipset. Instead they should have seperate by things like BUILD QUALITY and WEATHER SEALING. there ARE ways to make current cameras much more attractive - but for that "thinking outside the box" is required. The Alice camera is a good starting point - not because of its hardware, but the SOFTWARE SDK. That could enable a NEW WAY of taking photos and such a NEW kind of photograhpy ART... Somebody WILL MAKE IT, so photography has a bright future, even if seperated into AI-Smartphone/Product-, Documentary and new ART Photography... can't wait for it to happen.
of course there are things to advance. make a sensor smaller than MFT with tiny pixels that are able to get the clarity and low light/high ISO performance of 10x full frame. put 20ev stops IBIS and put it in a camera the size of say the OM5 or EM10. and then make lenses smaller.
with the AI revolution, make small tiny lenses that max out at F4 but have the ability to choose literally any F stop and allow computations to create a photo with that F stop.
a lot of ppl will push back saying "this isn't photography anymore" but honestly if you look at what already goes on under the hood of modern cameras and especially smartphones which are replacing the cameras, its already heading in that direction.
i predict next gen cameras not about capture a moment, rather it is capture a memory or create art/aesthetic images.
Last week I bought new om5, after firmware update to 1.2, the raw file can't be processed by my om workspace, and the error opening raw file. Jpeg is fine. My om work space and om5 is on the latest version.
I stopped looking at modern digital cameras a long time ago. All of my cameras are at least 10 years old, a few are 25 years old. eBay is our friend. Whenever I have bought a new/old digicam, mainly for its sensor and JPEG engine, I switch everything off. I dont need any of it. Oh, and by the way, I am a retired professional photographer who everything that was possible in my career to succeed at excellence. We dont need any of this stuff to do excellent work. Just read the manual, switch everything off, and get to work.
There are young ones who can't count money. Watching the screen constantly has taken away brains. It's not just a photography problem.
Dont get me started; I just renewed my cameras; probably for the last time. I cant see anybody making me a camera I would want to buy in the future. AND I blame luvvie US RUclips reviewers. What I now do with a new camera is spend half a day turning off the "new features" that I dont want and will never use Pictures I take today are no better than I was taking on my brownie in 1957; I still have a couple of those in my online gallery. The last advance in cameras was IBIS. There has been nothing of much value to me since then. I take photos!!! Not video and most people dont take video either; they take snaps. Every camera on the market now seems to have no tilt screen because vlogers cant see themselves!!! They solved this problem with Sony A6600 & Z50. It fell on deaf ears. All cameras since have articulating screens. It would be nice if only video slanted cameras had that yet, the new Z50ii has no tilt screen and I bet the Z5ii will have it despite it being poor for video. Sorry Nikon I will keep my Z5. I would rather have a fixed screen than articulated as its at least robust. I will be able to buy these cameras I now have used, for the rest of my life. Sorry manufacturers; your new cameras suck. I will stick with my current cameras for rest of my old life. Frankly they have brought their decline on their own hands. If they found out what real people want instead of listening to reviewers; most of whom are totally rubbish, then photographers would be much happier buying new product - have fun ;-)
Hey good to see you Vici!! ahah no doubt, everything we buy these days have video features. It's a norm. I don't dislike them, because I make videos, but then again, I am a photographer by heart and really would love to see a 'photographers' camera. Some get close but let's see :)
@@Red35Photography Well I cant see me changing my present lineup which is predominantly Sony (A7ii, A7cii replacing my A6500, A6000 but I have Nikon for my legacy Nikon lens collection which is substantial. I just bought the A7cii to replace my APS camera but, the articulated screen sucks so I wont buy another. I treat it as fixed like my Leica TL2. Its useless for street where a tilt is far more convenient. Whatever, I wont stop taking photos and I canm get great stuff 20yrs old online which at age 73 should see me out. I just need good quality images for my online art installations ;-)
PS. YOu are right about point and shoots - my Pixel 7 has completely replaced my Olympus Tuff 5 as my always carry camera.
Wanted a good point and shoot pocket camera for my daughter (canon g7x mk3 or similar) but no stock and no idea when these cameras will be available. Prices are mad! Just bought her an older oly e-pl8 instead. Given up waiting for companies to get their sh*t together 😡
I have my Cnn G5X-II always with me; it brings me good quality (raw).
@ would love one but none available either down under…discontinued I think…imports from Japan are commanding AUD$2000! Mad!
The easy answer is buy older tech secondhand... You don't need new or latest tech. Take the X100 VI for example, it's overpriced and not needed.
@@kiwipics yep, totally agree. My daughter was after a Fuji originally for the film simulations…must be a bit of a trend amongst the youngsters now that they’ve done the retro film camera thing. Spotted the used oly epl8 with a lens in immaculate condition in white that she liked the look of so we’ll see how that goes instead for less than half the cost of a new Fuji xm5 (which isn’t available for some time yet).
@dingoeatswolf3663 .. The Olympus EP and EPL have custom profile settings in all of their exposure modes. The colour and monochrome settings can be changed via the menu, and those can also be used as a 3 shot burst .. ie: 1@natural 1@vivid 1@b&w ... one shot at each with one press of the shutter button, and you can shoot like that even in RAW plus JPEG.
The best option for easy colour profile changes are the Pen F (high prices s/hand) and the EP7, as they have a switch on the front for quick changes in JPEG only mode.
!Used a Fuji X100 6 and an old Ricoh 500 g film rangefinder.The Fuji was better in every way - but the 500 as more fun 😎
I did like my Lumix G90 a lot, but that crop in video shooting got annoying. But while looking at the market I couldn't find any good "upgrade" for me. I want to stick with M4/3, I like this system's glass so much, but any "upgrade" from the G90 is overkill for me. I looked at the E-M5 iii and OM-5 but I felt that for that money, even used, it wasn't a worthy G90 replacement. So I just found a pretty good deal with a used G9. And I still feel it is overkill. Seriously the G9 from 2017 is a beast ! What I actually want is a G90 without video crop or a better priced (or actually new) OM-5.
What is the brand of your backpack please.
0:55 exactly! Why does the X-M5 have to be a hybrid photo/video, the T50 does that, the S20 does that. The X-M1 was photo first the 5 has a flippy screen instant turn off. On connecting to the internet yes they should have been working on this a long time ago.
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At 10.55 is that Shibuya Crossing in Tokyo ? Very interesting video.
0:745 :) I think we'll see a consolidation of camera brands, Sony buying Canon, or more ventures like Panasonic and Leica. Sony seem to make most of the sensors anyway! On prices, MPB are charging way more than RRP on some products now which is a shame.
I use manual exposure 99% of the time ... why not a very basic camera at a fair price ? ..... it would have a great sensor (whatever size) and be easy to use .... and for advanced photogs a manual only camera ..... :)
I dodn't agree with your statement that there isn't more to advance anymore.
The camera industry is selling minor, 10% upgrades with every itteration, instead of really pushing the tech forward. For example, with all the milions of dollars invested into R&D, Nikon managed to release a Z50 II with the same 2018 sensor! Guess they have a few more from the old stock! No IBIS, are crop over cop for 4K60fps!
Then they wonder why the sells went down!
People are not stupid, at least not all of them. Why should I not get a Pocket 3 instead of spending on lenses and old tech cameras if I'm not a professional?
Why should I pay thousands for a +500gr camera and sometimes over 700gr lens to vlog when I have the phone that gives me sufficient results? And then you need sd cards (V60 or even V90), card readers, batteries and chargers... and so on!
The thing is that most of the new models actually do not offer a new sensor at all and it could perfectly be a firmware update, for example EM1mkII -> EM1mkIII and OM1 -> OM1mkII. I would happily pay for an update if its worth it but I am definetly not paying thousands for another camera body
Saving that OM-1 to OM-1mk2 involves more & faster memory plus improved focus functions, which are hardware and cannot be done by firmware update. It is not always possible to squeeze a quart into a pint pot. There again, if you are not predominantly shooting wildlife, there seems little point upgrading from one to the other.
Your comment makes me ask, is any camera manufacturer willing to open their camera processor code to third party software developers to have a go at adding capability to that camera?
@@jeffslade1892 apart from the bigger memory, I think the focusing modes could be easily ported
@@RWROW not that I know of. I wish there was something like that because being a software engineer myself I would look into it for sure
Easily said when we have all of the Newest Stuff.......... :) :) :)
Its mad... Thats why Nikon released the z50ii without ibis.... They think newbies would just hear about pets tracking etc and be like... oh wow yeah... gimme some of that lol.
If you believe all that, the camera companies might as well throw in the towel and shut their factories. There are plenty of used cameras and existing cameras to satisfy the market for the next two decades. Long before then, smartphone cameras will have advanced so far anyway that nobody will miss dinosaur dedicated cameras. Apart from composition skills, no other skill will be necessary.
You said, "art". That's what it is . A phone takes snaps, it is possible to reprocess them but few bother.
WHERE are the ENTRY-LEVEL CHEAP MFT cameras? Which have MODERN STANDARDS like USB-C and being able to used as a webcam? I have (buying order) Panasonic GF2, GF6, Olympus E-PL8 and Panasonic GX1. Buying the GF6 was a mistake as no click wheel.. no wonder that line was discontinued by Panasonic. But: these all are SMALL cameras. And there are NO REAL SUCCESSORS. Without entry level cameras for those Smartphone users who want to try out "something MAYBE better" - the Industrie doesn't offer anything then USED MARKET. And if the product managers would be smart, they would take a look at the prices there to find out WHICH models they should bring to life again... Panasonic GM1 ? "insane" money...
OM5 vs XM5 video soon? 👀
Your two cents makes too much sense
9up 🙄
I decided to buy an EM1-X and a five year old camera tech is fine for me