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@@Lunamiin I agree with it being for el, 8 helped her be able to use her powers by telling her to use her past and she moved that bus which helped her close the gate
Before people complain and rant about this, let's just see what happens first. Her episode might suck, but maybe Kali could be of some use. Her powers could do 2 things that could really good. 1. She makes Vecna see things to trick him, like making him think he is alone, so the squad can kill him. Or option 2. Kali uses her powers to let Max see again.
1. 9/10 wouldn’t work bc who’s to say vecna can’t make people see things too considering he can put people in a trance 2. That wouldn’t work in a sense and it would only be able to work if she was to full time be there using her powers and it’s shown that the more you use your powers you grow weaker and weaker
1- maybe could work but i doubt it happens 2- nope ... Just no thats not how it works and im 100% confident that Max is in vecnas head or whatever so again no way But ... I see the episode not being as bad as the one from season 2 because we never realized whats with kali , how she escaped, got back to see el is not there and whatever so I don't think it'll be bad but but it definitely won't work like that
I have a feeling that Kali might make an appearance in the epic final battle of season 5. It seems like the Duffer Brothers are determined to tie up all the loose ends, including the storyline from 'The Lost Sister' episode. Can't wait to see how it all unfolds! 🤔
I hope not, I want them to just completely forget about that episode. I think it would be really dumb to have a character we haven’t seen in seasons come a play a big role in the final episode
@@RAZZPR0D It’d be even more dumb and disrespectful to Season 2 and the story they started if they choose to forget the only other living test subject who shares the same illusion abilities as Vecna… just because they’re afraid fans might be mad. 🗿 THAT is dumb. Not finishing what they started would be terrible.
@@RAZZPR0D That would be stupid. You are all saying you don't want her back but if she doesn't come back its going To be bad I feel like. Or maybe not bad but I NEED answers.
I always wanted her to come back. She’s the only other survivor and Henry probably filled her heart with hate saying that anger can achieve her true potential. She has a power that no one else possesses.
Kalli shares the one power with Vecna that Eleven doesn’t have. So it makes sense that they would bring her back to join Eleven , together they can fight him on equal terms- there has to be a reason she was introduced, hopefully this is why!
The others have been following Linnea since S2. Noah suddenly followed her the other day out of the blue after 7 years, just as they’re filming the back end of S5. Come on now lol. Definitely raises some eyebrows!
im almost 100% sure that kali will help defeat vecna because of three reasons 1- it felt very random to just show number 8 instead of showing all the kids 2- she's the only one that we know escaped the lab 3- her powers are different than the other kids as we saw in the lab they all could do things that eleven and vecna could so maybe they have an explanation for it or maybe they just got that random episode to introduce us with her before the others or whatever but i always felt like that episode was important (while i skipped it a couple times cuz i hate ot)
The lost sister wasn’t all that bad. Eleven was Luke and Kali was Yoda. Besides, the skills she learned from Kali were used to great effect when bringing Max back from the dead.
Personally I would love to know how 008 escaped / survived the massacre at Hawkins lab and even if she escaped before that happened also I would love to know why her powers in particular and very different from 011 and possibly all the other lab kids also I wanna know where she got their European accent from cause geographically it doesn’t make sense . Think a reason episode seven seems like a black sheep is because we don’t have any backstory on 008 and where she came from and how she escaped the lab just that the other. I also think it’s kind of odd that they didn’t highlight her in the mass at Hawkins lab episode mainly because she survived and we were told that no one survived so does that mean she escaped previous to that or did she manage to escape after the massacre? Edit :Btw I love your videos they are my one stop shop for all ST theories and updates and I hope you see this Edit : btw I rlly appreciate all of your interactions with my comment it means a lot that I have people to talk and theorize with ❤❤❤❤ and I always make sure I read all of the comment and react to them and stuff ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
She escaped before the massacre Henry / vecna /001 told eleven during a training session but I’m curious on how she escaped tho she might have used her powers to make the guards see things
Thats exactly what im saying , she also said she went back and El wasn't there anymore and i really hope they do something about it cuz that episode was very very random
@@Hashy68 I rlly hope that if they don’t tie up her story line in szn5 that they at least do a okay about it like the first shadow and stuff . I just find it kind of odd how most characters have a backstory and a past that has been pointed out in one way or another but then you just have 008 with no back story or anything that makes sense at least. I feel like if they spent episodes 1-6 giving us a back story or “flashbacks “ before we actually meet the character would of been great and might of made the episode less odd
Kali's power set could prove useful in a fight against Vecna. They introduced her for a reason, so I would think it was weirder if it didn't pay off in the last season.
It would be perfect to bring her back it would complete the story that is better than hanging her character without any ending and that episode of Kali wasn't bad it was kinda cool so people just stop crying about it if they think this is not good writing those people can Start writing their own series noone is stopping them lol
I think people hate on it because of its placement. Since it's put right after the adrenalin rush that is The Spy, it lets people down due to it being a much more lowkey episode, so it looks boring in comparison. If they moved it to episode 6, and moved the ending of Dig Dug to the end of The Lost Sister, it would have flowed much better. The end of Dig Dug is usually when they find Hopper in the tunnels, the scientists torch it, and Will freaks out. But right before that is the scene where El enters her mom's mind. If that was made the end, then it would seamlessly flow into The Lost Sister, then make the end of Dig Dug, the end of The Lost Sister, and it seamlessly flows into The Spy.
I love this new character because both 008 and 011 have the same connection like sister's and at least that Elle thought she's the last one of the family and now she has a sister that didn't died and I'm glad she didn't died
It's wild how much hate 'The Lost Sister' gets, especially from some creators. It almost feels like there’s something deeper going on when people go this hard against her. I hope Kali comes back-her character deserves redemption. Eleven needed to meet her to realize Kali’s way wasn’t her own; it helped her grow and figure out what kind of person she wants to be, much like most siblings do.
True!! I can confidently say that if Kali didn't come then everyone would lose at the end of season 2. Before Kali, El couldn't move a train. When Eleven learned from Kali and remembered to use her anger, she closed a portal to a different dimension and floated in the air. Kali is very important and deserves to come back more than anyone.
I think it was just that Kali and her gang were so irritating to listen to and it didn't help the plot at all at the time. The episode was intended to be a backdoor pilot for a spinoff. Clearly that didn't work out but they might try to redeem it in season 5
@@joeklaas3176 I was a teenager in the 80s. Was 15 in 1985. I hung out with people like this. Looking back it’s cringe but in the moment this is how people were. LOL
I feel like too many people dislike Kali by association with The Lost Sister. By all accounts she's a pretty decent character; Relevant backstory, clear motivations, unique personality. I personally don't think she will be a main character if she returns, but I'd prefer it if she was. I do have faith she'll return in some capacity since they haven't completely decanonized her, due to her continuity being kept intact in Eleven's flashbacks in S4. And considering she's the only other number who's still alive, she needs to be referenced. Her best introduction would be saving Hopper, or Mike from a tight spot (nothing they couldn't deal with themself, but something easily dealt with, by illusions). Both have a strong connection to Eleven, so it would easily introduce her to other characters, while smoothly tying her into the plot. It's also very understandable why Kali wasn't in Season 3 or 4. Since she has no way of knowing where El was from, nor does she have a way of tracking her, she'd have no way to find her, but with a giant portal opening up to the Upside Down all over the news, Kali now has a decent chance of finding her, especially with the time jump.
I saw this theory basically pointing out that when playing D&D with Eddie Dustin rolled an eleven on his dice however it wasn’t enough to beat vecna ( in the game) but when Lucas hit the wining shot in his basketball game he was wearing the number 8 on his shirt. I feel like that’s kind of too much detail to be a coincidence but it could be a at of just hyping up the kali episode. Anyway have a good day
@@THESITHVIBE please don’t be rude. This guy is just pointing out what he knows the same way I was. Everyone is entitled to speak but it’s not nice to be mean.
Whether worst episode or not, I have always thought they need to bring her back. Otherwise, what was the point of showing her at all in Season 2. “Eight” was noticeably absent from the lab flashbacks in Season 4. There has to be a reason for that and I think we’ll find out more in Season 5.
They made a call on Lost Sister--they could parse it out, but that would mean breaking the dramatic tension of "The Spy." They could have Eleven around, but that would have made the stakes irrelevant; she could destroy the demodogs single handed. Kali has a lot of the same powers as Vecna--the illusion powers, in particular--and that really could have something to do with it.
I just don’t get how people didn’t like Kali..I thought the episode was really good and if it wasn’t for Kali eleven wouldn’t have known her true potential. Kali pushed her to her limits and I loved that bc it made 11 grow . It’s actually one of my favorite episodes out of season 2.
I would love to see her return after Hawkins has fallen to help, save the day, and I think you’re being a little bit negative about it lol 😂😂😂 but love your vids
I never considered 2x7 "the worst episode of ST", but I do agree about the placement of the episode, if they had Eleven's scenes spread across the episodes. I think bringing her back would make sense because both Kali and Henry rely on hate to make them strong. With El discovering herpowers are stronger with the power of love, maybe the sisterly love between them can help them defeat Vecna. I think it would be a great "redemption" for the people that didn't appreciate 2x7 like I did. She has been in Eleven's thoughts in season 4 as well. I don't think it "doesn't make sense" at all! The Duffers wrote this story and they know the story better than anyone. I trust them to bring it home. Congrats on all your success with the channel!
F the haters, The Lost Sister was a great episode! While I don't foresee a "Monster of the Week" style of episode making it into Season 5, perhaps the Duffers will tie Kali into the main storyline more cohesively. Would be cool to see some justice for this underrated episode and side-story.
THANK YOU SEE YOU ARE THE GOAT AND YOU MAKE ALOT OF SENSE THANK YOU HALF OF THE PPL SAYING ITS BAD DONT EVEN KNOW WHY ITS BAD THEY JUST JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON AND AGREE “yea it’s terrible” smfh
I honestly hope she comes back because first of all, they had to of introduced her for a reason, like it doesn’t make sense for them to just have her in one full episode then be done with her. Also, it would make the lost sister episode less weird and out of place. Maybe there is a reason why they would want to put her in the last season instead of s4 or s3 , but honestly considering Hawkins condition I feel like they would need her since she has powers, and she can trick people into seeing things, maybe she could do that with vecna or if there is a new villain.
the fact you say you do not want her to come back tells me you don't care about the story at all when infact shes key in defeating vecna there is no reason why they arent bringing her back
I always wanted to see more of the kids from Hawkins Lab help. Everyone always depends on Eleven to save the day. She’s only one person who. Now, the others are always good as backups and eleven comes for the finish. But id like to see two gifted people help stop vecna. And 008 gifts could be VERY useful. I wonder if Henry/001/Vecna would even remember her. Man I’m pumped .
Yes, absolutely bring her back. Her arc needs to be wrapped up. I dont like story threads left unfinished. Her episode wasnt even that bad and was required for Eleven's development.
I’m actually glad that they would bring kali back! Even though she wasn’t much loved by the audience, her story arc wasn’t finished! And her powers definitely are a strong addition for the end battle of all end battles.
You're right she should be there from the first episodes, it would be kinda cringe if she just appeared out of nth when there's a high stake fight going on. I used to have the theory dr. Owens could help terry and we could have el and kali looking for owens if he's with the military which is most likely.
I always considered that episode as a way for them to put it out there that there were others like 011/Ele. That there were more of Papa's children out there. It was a way to set the foundation to understand maybe even accept 001/Henry/Vecna. If not people may have been like "what the hell, where did he come from". From season 1 up to that episode we always thought she, 011, was the only one with "powers" because they never showed any other children. So they created 008/Kali as a precursor of sorts. Like, look there are others. That's the only way I can accept that episode, or else I cringe everytime it's mentioned.
I feel like kali kinda has to come back. It would be pretty useless to just have her be a character and make her leave without her dying because well... It's stranger things. But she isn't my favorite and I don't hate her, I wouldn’t be sad to not see her. AHHHH I'm so excited 😝😝😝
In there d&d game they had to roll a 20 to beat vecna rightttt well eleven is only 11 and she is gonna need someone to get her to 20 and kali is 08 and vecna is 001 and if I did the math right that is 20 🎉(just a theory but I really think I’m on to something)
I honestly feel like it wouldn't make sense NOT to bring her back... like what would be the point of that entire episode if not? She has powers that eleven doesn't and they're gonna need her and maybe other kids from the lab even... I'm sure Cali isn't the only kid with powers not like Eleven's. Also, her powers are too close to Vecna's to just throw her character aways.
She will definitely be back and I bet they have something awesome planned to tie her into the final season to make up for the lost sister episode. I wouldn't count her out she definitely has a big role in all of this
i would love to see her make a comeback, and i think they really could make it work properly. I feel like the show needs to bring her back one more time so she isn't isn't this out of the blue bad episode character that every stranger things fan seems to be ashamed of. They need to fully commit to her and not just hide her away and hope we forget
I want kali to return because she's also part of a plot hole if they also didn't bring back or mention eleven mom or aunt that still bugs me we haven't seen any of them and if I don't see kali or eleven mom or aunt in the final season it would ruin it for me...listen the duffers had said there will be no loose ends so that is a loose end cause once season 5 comes that's it no more so they can't erase that episode so they have to build on it ...I mean come on kali was mentioned in season 4 doesn't anyone remember when when Peter before he was vechna and we knew he was Henry in the flashback mention 8 to eleven come on if they don't bring her back it would be a loose end and then the duffers would have fallen back on there word and I'm sorry I like kali I would love to see her return I understand why people hate the episode but she is part of the kids in hawkens lab whether you like it or not
IMO: i think it would be weirder if Kali didn’t come back. I mean shes the only other remaining number alive that we know of. I feel that in season 5 we will probably need all the help we could get but thats just me 😂
I find it really interesting to think about the possibility of Kali returning to help with the fight. The rainbow colors coming from the Hawk on the side of the new WSQK van seem to hint at this. It makes me wonder if the rainbow children will unite to confront Vecna or, possibly, The Mindflayer (dragon). I realize I might be a bit off with my ideas sometimes, but it's fun to speculate!
the new pictures have to have some connection to spiders, so I guess there is some spider-like creatures in this next season, and for Kali, I think her character will be trapped and experimented on by Linda Hamilton's new character...
I feel like since eleven (I’m pretty sure) wasn’t in the radio station, she may have gone to find kali for back up. I also feel like her crew will, be killed idk tho
Yes, as a person who was “absorbed” by Henry previously and she is in his mind fighting with Max and Eddie and all the others who have been “absorbed.”
I still can't see how people missed the easter egg in Season 3 when Eleven was spying on Hopper and Joyce walking through the woods and when she was telling the other kids about what she heard she was like "CHI-CA-GO" and everyone just looked at each other and shrugged. As if to say sorry for that episode. 😂
I actually like season two it wasn’t that bad it was different in its own way and I’ll be surprise if she come back to help EL out with the Demogorgon Mind flayer and vecna it will be interesting to see Its just one of her and three of them I think she could use some help
To me, that episode wasn't horrible. Sure, it added nothing at all to the S2 storyline except for Kali, but I thought it was written well and kind of interesting. It did offer one other thing, though. Towards the end of the episode the man that the gang tries to kill tells 011 and 008 that Brenner is still alive. Then Kali puts Brenner in 011's head and is like "you really never looked for me??" It added an opening for Brenner to come back. I gotta hand it to the Duffers and the writers, that was pretty smart. I wouldn't be at all opposed to Kali coming back. Anything to help defeat Vecna.
No. I think they should bring her back. There are lots of positives to bring her back and help in the fight. Also, I never thought this episode was bad. Out of place within the sequence of episodes? Maybe, but it would be interesting to bring her back.
The duffers bringing Kali back isn't a mistake. Sure the episode is out place, but she plays the character really well. And remember, they emphasize that Eleven's mother (who is important in the shows lore) sent El there for a reason to reunite with Kali. I think she sent her there because Kali is important in teaming together to defeat Vecna. Afterall, she is the last surviving test subject and also the only one that has abilities similar to Vecna, which could be key to defeating him. For some reason El's mom knew this. Holy shit I almost forgot, and add to the fact that Kali was the one who taught El to channel a hurtful memory to make her powers stronger, and who was it that ALSO taught her that... not coincidence.
I have mixed emotions about " The Lost Sister" episode. However, the more I watch this season, the more I like the characters, writing, and special effects in this episode. Eleven has to grow up and discover who she is. She can't do this in Hoppers' cabin. I have no problem bringing Kallie back. I see the actress who plays Kallie walking the halls of the high school and in other scenes. I think that they took some of their most talented actors who had minor roles and developed characters to bring them into the spotlight. Eleven and the gang are going to need all the help they can get fighting Vecna. One reason I like The Lost Sister episode is because it shows the city of Atlanta. I think they play some Allman Brothers in this episode. Stranger Things is very sentimental to me because I grew up in Georgia, and went to high school in the early 1980s.
I think you are also forgetting that the Duffers are huge 80’s nostalgia buffs! And they referenced Star Wars in regard to this show. Multiple times with season 4 being “empire strikes back” (Han in carbonite/Max in coma) and this last season being “return of the Jedi” (Jaba getting choked out, Vader killing The Emperor/Vecna being defeated yet again, time jump to him turning on the mind flayer). This means that they are also huge fans of the last minute save by a long thought gone character. Like when Han Solo took off and left, only to come back at the last second and shoot Vader’s pod ship away so he couldn’t kill Luke while Luke was trying to end the Death Star. So yeah, it could happen in some way shape or form. But the most likely is that Vecna has already absorbed 8 and her illusion powers and that’s why she hasn’t come back yet, and when Max is absorbed and inside his mind in season 5, she runs into Chrissy, Frankie, the jock Pete, 8 and Eddie and a bunch of others. I think Vecna will absorb Eddie and use his bitten body after being defeated this time; in the first act of season 5. Then use Eddie’s body in the end when he turns on the mind flayer (now a red dragon) and it will look like Eddie is a freaking hero. Redeeming both his character and Henry’s. And that’s why the stage play is important. The team must use Henry’s ex girlfriend that he thought he killed accidentally when she fell off the stage, to get him to see the good in himself and help him fight the evil urges.
I think she should. I think eight should come back because she can also win help 11 to beat Ana💕 and think that should be a good potline and I would like to have the other other, but if it was just her, I will be bored with it and I will be very happy about it, she would be more character in season five character because she is colored and she should be not a site character in the show
I think it's a 50/50, but the duffer magic is real😂 I honestly don't want her to be in season 5. ALSO I LOVE WHEN YOU POST UPDATE VIDEO/THEORYS DO MORE PLEASE 🙏
Yes, the episode did seem somewhat detached. I think she will return, and in some kind of really awesome way. And yes, without the gang. It would make sense for her to come back as it's one of those loose ends that needs tying up.
It would make sense her coming back this season and not before. Hawkins just because a MASSIVE News story and it would have come to her attention since she escaped from there and she might believe (correctly) that the events at the end of S4 were not natural. She might return to help 11. It might be a character growth moment. I'm not saying I'd LIKE it to happen, but I can see how it could make sense.
Ok so I think they could bring her back well IF they needed her to bring down Vecna. We have seen that El can not create visions & from I gathered(after rewatching) that Kali can. They could need her to bring down Vecna as they might need his full power which would be them combined
Lol I like that episode I wouldn't mind seeing her in this season. I think her showing up in s5 could make since. I mean the upside down is right side up lol now monsters everywhere. End of the world type stuff. Why wouldn't she come to help her sister. I agree just her though.
I feel like she needs to come back, she literally can do what Vecna does she'd be so useful. This season would also be the perfect time for her to show up cause its the biggest battle the group has had to deal with they need all the help they can get. The lost sister episode gets way too much hate and the people who hate on the actress makes me look at you with a side eye cause whats your real reason.? I liked the actress and I also wish we got more of her backstory in maybe a previous season. Her power is really interesting considering she also seems to be different then the rest of the kids with powers.
I think they missed their opportunity with Callie. Our Hawkins squad have faced this danger alone. I'd like to just focus on them. I do think that, That episode, as bad as it was, was due to the storyline surrounding Callie. Not Callie as a character. I never understood how the Duffers got that so wrong. I just don't want an outsider coming in during overtime to save the day. (Just my opinion)
I want kali to come back because we didn't see enough of her story and history,i also think eleven and her reuniting would be cool aswell , i think shes coming back because at the start of S4 hellfire couldnt win with the number 11 and lucas was number 8 for basketball and lucas won the game so mabye they needto work together to stop vecna
I think and hope kali will be back in Season 5 because kali has a power similar to vecna of showing visions or illusion and eleven shares all the power same that of vecna except the kali's one so if they're together means they're equal to vecna so it's easy to defeat him. Eleven powers + Kali power = vecna power Still i want kali just to share the minor role in the finale not the major but i want her tbh
I think it's unfair to make such a big ordeal about horrible the lost sister was. It wasn't THAT bad. I liked Kali. It was cool to see another person with super natural gifts which mostly has rested on elevens shoulders. Also she helped eleven realize her potential. I've been waiting for her to make a comeback. If she doesn't I'm okay with but I wouldn't mind it if she did.
I always wondered... How could they bring Kali back? I feel there was more they could have done with her. And I absolutely agree with it happening in S4. Bringing her back into season 5 seems pointless from a character development standpoint, and storyline would just feel forced.
the lost sister wasnt as bad as you make it out to be. eleven was such a bada$$ in this episode. you saying such offensive things about this makes me want to unsubscribe.
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what if she is at the radio station
@@belacfnbr what if she is the radio station 🫢😮😮
i think if he comes back he can help cuz he can make illusions
I hope not like you I think it was the worst episode out of the full 4 seasons
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I hope they bring Kali back. They introduced her for a reason. The episode wasn’t even bad. They need to tie up all loose ends.
for real. Everyone is saying it's horrible, but I enjoyed it. Also, I agree they need to tie it all together.
Yea when I watched that episode it wasn't even that bad
Yah it wasn’t a horrible episode so they do need to tie it up
I didnt like the episode but it was necessary for El and her character development
@@Lunamiin I agree with it being for el, 8 helped her be able to use her powers by telling her to use her past and she moved that bus which helped her close the gate
Before people complain and rant about this, let's just see what happens first. Her episode might suck, but maybe Kali could be of some use. Her powers could do 2 things that could really good. 1. She makes Vecna see things to trick him, like making him think he is alone, so the squad can kill him. Or option 2. Kali uses her powers to let Max see again.
1. 9/10 wouldn’t work bc who’s to say vecna can’t make people see things too considering he can put people in a trance
2. That wouldn’t work in a sense and it would only be able to work if she was to full time be there using her powers and it’s shown that the more you use your powers you grow weaker and weaker
Valid valid
1- maybe could work but i doubt it happens
2- nope ... Just no thats not how it works and im 100% confident that Max is in vecnas head or whatever so again no way
But ... I see the episode not being as bad as the one from season 2 because we never realized whats with kali , how she escaped, got back to see el is not there and whatever so I don't think it'll be bad but but it definitely won't work like that
@@RandomTeen07 you don't know anything about the show and it shows.
So main characters will just be overshadowed by Kali's powers
Go watch Marvel movies if you wanna see superheroes fighting
I have a feeling that Kali might make an appearance in the epic final battle of season 5. It seems like the Duffer Brothers are determined to tie up all the loose ends, including the storyline from 'The Lost Sister' episode. Can't wait to see how it all unfolds! 🤔
Agreed
I hope not, I want them to just completely forget about that episode. I think it would be really dumb to have a character we haven’t seen in seasons come a play a big role in the final episode
@@RAZZPR0D It’d be even more dumb and disrespectful to Season 2 and the story they started if they choose to forget the only other living test subject who shares the same illusion abilities as Vecna… just because they’re afraid fans might be mad. 🗿 THAT is dumb. Not finishing what they started would be terrible.
@@RAZZPR0D That would be stupid. You are all saying you don't want her back but if she doesn't come back its going To be bad I feel like. Or maybe not bad but I NEED answers.
@@digitalbritt2kKali served for El's arc in sep 7
Expecting more from her just cause she has powers is dumb
I always wanted her to come back. She’s the only other survivor and Henry probably filled her heart with hate saying that anger can achieve her true potential.
She has a power that no one else possesses.
YES!❤
Imo The Lost Sister is overhated, and I'd really like for Kali to return.
@RogongodIdk: Completely agree.!
people didnt like el's and kali's episode??? I love it. Kali taught El how to use her anger to increase her powers.
its super cringe
fr i loved it
I think people liked it they just didn’t like how the episode was placed in the show
Kalli shares the one power with Vecna that Eleven doesn’t have. So it makes sense that they would bring her back to join Eleven , together they can fight him on equal terms- there has to be a reason she was introduced, hopefully this is why!
Did anyone even checked David, Sadie, Millie and Finn's accounts? The four of them are following Linnea. its not just noah.
The others have been following Linnea since S2. Noah suddenly followed her the other day out of the blue after 7 years, just as they’re filming the back end of S5. Come on now lol. Definitely raises some eyebrows!
@digitalbritt2k true but there's only one way left to prove Linnea is gonna be in s5 is that we wait until the duffer brothers confirm it.
08 has powers that mirror what Vecna has that 11 does not have. Together 11 & 8 could combat him in a much better way, maybe 11 will piggyback her in?
Exactly what I was thinking
im almost 100% sure that kali will help defeat vecna because of three reasons
1- it felt very random to just show number 8 instead of showing all the kids
2- she's the only one that we know escaped the lab
3- her powers are different than the other kids as we saw in the lab they all could do things that eleven and vecna could so maybe they have an explanation for it or maybe they just got that random episode to introduce us with her before the others or whatever but i always felt like that episode was important (while i skipped it a couple times cuz i hate ot)
The lost sister wasn’t all that bad. Eleven was Luke and Kali was Yoda. Besides, the skills she learned from Kali were used to great effect when bringing Max back from the dead.
Personally I would love to know how 008 escaped / survived the massacre at Hawkins lab and even if she escaped before that happened also I would love to know why her powers in particular and very different from 011 and possibly all the other lab kids also I wanna know where she got their European accent from cause geographically it doesn’t make sense . Think a reason episode seven seems like a black sheep is because we don’t have any backstory on 008 and where she came from and how she escaped the lab just that the other. I also think it’s kind of odd that they didn’t highlight her in the mass at Hawkins lab episode mainly because she survived and we were told that no one survived so does that mean she escaped previous to that or did she manage to escape after the massacre?
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I completely agree. And I think she escaped by making them think she was still there.
She escaped before the massacre Henry / vecna /001 told eleven during a training session but I’m curious on how she escaped tho she might have used her powers to make the guards see things
Thats exactly what im saying , she also said she went back and El wasn't there anymore and i really hope they do something about it cuz that episode was very very random
@@Carolineintoodeep1288thanks I didn’t notice that lol 😂
@@Hashy68 I rlly hope that if they don’t tie up her story line in szn5 that they at least do a okay about it like the first shadow and stuff . I just find it kind of odd how most characters have a backstory and a past that has been pointed out in one way or another but then you just have 008 with no back story or anything that makes sense at least. I feel like if they spent episodes 1-6 giving us a back story or “flashbacks “ before we actually meet the character would of been great and might of made the episode less odd
Cali might be one of the people whose faces were blurred in the picture in which there were all the stuff members but also some actors
Yeah, she’s coming back. They need all hands on deck. I’ve even think that Mama is going to come back in her mind and help her as well.
Same
Kali's power set could prove useful in a fight against Vecna. They introduced her for a reason, so I would think it was weirder if it didn't pay off in the last season.
It would be perfect to bring her back it would complete the story that is better than hanging her character without any ending and that episode of Kali wasn't bad it was kinda cool so people just stop crying about it if they think this is not good writing those people can Start writing their own series noone is stopping them lol
I think people hate on it because of its placement. Since it's put right after the adrenalin rush that is The Spy, it lets people down due to it being a much more lowkey episode, so it looks boring in comparison.
If they moved it to episode 6, and moved the ending of Dig Dug to the end of The Lost Sister, it would have flowed much better.
The end of Dig Dug is usually when they find Hopper in the tunnels, the scientists torch it, and Will freaks out. But right before that is the scene where El enters her mom's mind. If that was made the end, then it would seamlessly flow into The Lost Sister, then make the end of Dig Dug, the end of The Lost Sister, and it seamlessly flows into The Spy.
I love this new character because both 008 and 011 have the same connection like sister's and at least that Elle thought she's the last one of the family and now she has a sister that didn't died and I'm glad she didn't died
It's wild how much hate 'The Lost Sister' gets, especially from some creators. It almost feels like there’s something deeper going on when people go this hard against her. I hope Kali comes back-her character deserves redemption. Eleven needed to meet her to realize Kali’s way wasn’t her own; it helped her grow and figure out what kind of person she wants to be, much like most siblings do.
True!! I can confidently say that if Kali didn't come then everyone would lose at the end of season 2. Before Kali, El couldn't move a train. When Eleven learned from Kali and remembered to use her anger, she closed a portal to a different dimension and floated in the air. Kali is very important and deserves to come back more than anyone.
@@THESITHVIBEyes! Great points
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Agreed! Kali is necessary and the hate seems forced!
I do hope they bring her back as someone who didn't like her character but it's been a while I think they could really do something cool with her.
So crazy, I liked this episode.. never knew it was considered the worst LOL
Same
I think it was just that Kali and her gang were so irritating to listen to and it didn't help the plot at all at the time. The episode was intended to be a backdoor pilot for a spinoff. Clearly that didn't work out but they might try to redeem it in season 5
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@@SeanInVegas oh really? geez I'm glad I wasn't alive back then lol
I feel like too many people dislike Kali by association with The Lost Sister. By all accounts she's a pretty decent character; Relevant backstory, clear motivations, unique personality.
I personally don't think she will be a main character if she returns, but I'd prefer it if she was.
I do have faith she'll return in some capacity since they haven't completely decanonized her, due to her continuity being kept intact in Eleven's flashbacks in S4. And considering she's the only other number who's still alive, she needs to be referenced.
Her best introduction would be saving Hopper, or Mike from a tight spot (nothing they couldn't deal with themself, but something easily dealt with, by illusions). Both have a strong connection to Eleven, so it would easily introduce her to other characters, while smoothly tying her into the plot.
It's also very understandable why Kali wasn't in Season 3 or 4. Since she has no way of knowing where El was from, nor does she have a way of tracking her, she'd have no way to find her, but with a giant portal opening up to the Upside Down all over the news, Kali now has a decent chance of finding her, especially with the time jump.
Thanks again for the update . Currently rewatching stranger things at the moment and loving it
I saw this theory basically pointing out that when playing D&D with Eddie Dustin rolled an eleven on his dice however it wasn’t enough to beat vecna ( in the game) but when Lucas hit the wining shot in his basketball game he was wearing the number 8 on his shirt. I feel like that’s kind of too much detail to be a coincidence but it could be a at of just hyping up the kali episode. Anyway have a good day
Lucas wore the 8 on his jersey to honor Kobe Bryant, Caleb and the duffers confirmed it- it has nothing to do with Kali- it was just a coincidence
So some random girl that was in one episode beats Vecna and overshadows main characters
Wow Sounds like a really great finale
@@RandomTeen07 shut up.
@@THESITHVIBE please don’t be rude. This guy is just pointing out what he knows the same way I was. Everyone is entitled to speak but it’s not nice to be mean.
@@anaivanic7303 ye exactly lol. I hope she doesn’t return.
Whether worst episode or not, I have always thought they need to bring her back. Otherwise, what was the point of showing her at all in Season 2. “Eight” was noticeably absent from the lab flashbacks in Season 4. There has to be a reason for that and I think we’ll find out more in Season 5.
Henry told eleven that 8 already escaped
@@prismo7546then why not just show her in the process? Probably was always the plan to show her in the last season.
You guys are hating on her for no reason! Her powers are OP compared to the other numbers.
i don’t think they just threw her in season 2 for no reason. i’ve always believed Kali would come back into the plot somehow
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They made a call on Lost Sister--they could parse it out, but that would mean breaking the dramatic tension of "The Spy." They could have Eleven around, but that would have made the stakes irrelevant; she could destroy the demodogs single handed.
Kali has a lot of the same powers as Vecna--the illusion powers, in particular--and that really could have something to do with it.
I just don’t get how people didn’t like Kali..I thought the episode was really good and if it wasn’t for Kali eleven wouldn’t have known her true potential. Kali pushed her to her limits and I loved that bc it made 11 grow . It’s actually one of my favorite episodes out of season 2.
I would love to see her return after Hawkins has fallen to help, save the day, and I think you’re being a little bit negative about it lol 😂😂😂 but love your vids
I never considered 2x7 "the worst episode of ST", but I do agree about the placement of the episode, if they had Eleven's scenes spread across the episodes. I think bringing her back would make sense because both Kali and Henry rely on hate to make them strong. With El discovering herpowers are stronger with the power of love, maybe the sisterly love between them can help them defeat Vecna. I think it would be a great "redemption" for the people that didn't appreciate 2x7 like I did. She has been in Eleven's thoughts in season 4 as well. I don't think it "doesn't make sense" at all! The Duffers wrote this story and they know the story better than anyone. I trust them to bring it home. Congrats on all your success with the channel!
F the haters, The Lost Sister was a great episode! While I don't foresee a "Monster of the Week" style of episode making it into Season 5, perhaps the Duffers will tie Kali into the main storyline more cohesively. Would be cool to see some justice for this underrated episode and side-story.
THANK YOU SEE YOU ARE THE GOAT AND YOU MAKE ALOT OF SENSE THANK YOU HALF OF THE PPL SAYING ITS BAD DONT EVEN KNOW WHY ITS BAD THEY JUST JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON AND AGREE “yea it’s terrible” smfh
Unpopular opinion! I saw nothing wrong with 11 and her sister.
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I don't think it was the worst episode. I liked Kali
I honestly hope she comes back because first of all, they had to of introduced her for a reason, like it doesn’t make sense for them to just have her in one full episode then be done with her. Also, it would make the lost sister episode less weird and out of place. Maybe there is a reason why they would want to put her in the last season instead of s4 or s3 , but honestly considering Hawkins condition I feel like they would need her since she has powers, and she can trick people into seeing things, maybe she could do that with vecna or if there is a new villain.
The episode wasn’t bad at all. I hope she comes back.
the fact you say you do not want her to come back tells me you don't care about the story at all when infact shes key in defeating vecna there is no reason why they arent bringing her back
Fr without 008 everyone is fucked
I always wanted to see more of the kids from Hawkins Lab help. Everyone always depends on Eleven to save the day. She’s only one person who. Now, the others are always good as backups and eleven comes for the finish.
But id like to see two gifted people help stop vecna. And 008 gifts could be VERY useful. I wonder if Henry/001/Vecna would even remember her. Man I’m pumped .
Yes, absolutely bring her back. Her arc needs to be wrapped up. I dont like story threads left unfinished. Her episode wasnt even that bad and was required for Eleven's development.
I’m actually glad that they would bring kali back!
Even though she wasn’t much loved by the audience, her story arc wasn’t finished!
And her powers definitely are a strong addition for the end battle of all end battles.
You're right she should be there from the first episodes, it would be kinda cringe if she just appeared out of nth when there's a high stake fight going on. I used to have the theory dr. Owens could help terry and we could have el and kali looking for owens if he's with the military which is most likely.
I always considered that episode as a way for them to put it out there that there were others like 011/Ele. That there were more of Papa's children out there. It was a way to set the foundation to understand maybe even accept 001/Henry/Vecna. If not people may have been like "what the hell, where did he come from". From season 1 up to that episode we always thought she, 011, was the only one with "powers" because they never showed any other children. So they created 008/Kali as a precursor of sorts. Like, look there are others. That's the only way I can accept that episode, or else I cringe everytime it's mentioned.
I feel like kali kinda has to come back. It would be pretty useless to just have her be a character and make her leave without her dying because well... It's stranger things. But she isn't my favorite and I don't hate her, I wouldn’t be sad to not see her. AHHHH I'm so excited 😝😝😝
In there d&d game they had to roll a 20 to beat vecna rightttt well eleven is only 11 and she is gonna need someone to get her to 20 and kali is 08 and vecna is 001 and if I did the math right that is 20 🎉(just a theory but I really think I’m on to something)
is it sad that that episode is one of my favorite?
I honestly feel like it wouldn't make sense NOT to bring her back... like what would be the point of that entire episode if not? She has powers that eleven doesn't and they're gonna need her and maybe other kids from the lab even... I'm sure Cali isn't the only kid with powers not like Eleven's. Also, her powers are too close to Vecna's to just throw her character aways.
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She will definitely be back and I bet they have something awesome planned to tie her into the final season to make up for the lost sister episode. I wouldn't count her out she definitely has a big role in all of this
i would love to see her make a comeback, and i think they really could make it work properly. I feel like the show needs to bring her back one more time so she isn't isn't this out of the blue bad episode character that every stranger things fan seems to be ashamed of. They need to fully commit to her and not just hide her away and hope we forget
I want kali to return because she's also part of a plot hole if they also didn't bring back or mention eleven mom or aunt that still bugs me we haven't seen any of them and if I don't see kali or eleven mom or aunt in the final season it would ruin it for me...listen the duffers had said there will be no loose ends so that is a loose end cause once season 5 comes that's it no more so they can't erase that episode so they have to build on it ...I mean come on kali was mentioned in season 4 doesn't anyone remember when when Peter before he was vechna and we knew he was Henry in the flashback mention 8 to eleven come on if they don't bring her back it would be a loose end and then the duffers would have fallen back on there word and I'm sorry I like kali I would love to see her return I understand why people hate the episode but she is part of the kids in hawkens lab whether you like it or not
IMO: i think it would be weirder if Kali didn’t come back. I mean shes the only other remaining number alive that we know of. I feel that in season 5 we will probably need all the help we could get but thats just me 😂
You need her for her unique abilities. Illusions will work against Vecna.
I find it really interesting to think about the possibility of Kali returning to help with the fight. The rainbow colors coming from the Hawk on the side of the new WSQK van seem to hint at this. It makes me wonder if the rainbow children will unite to confront Vecna or, possibly, The Mindflayer (dragon). I realize I might be a bit off with my ideas sometimes, but it's fun to speculate!
the new pictures have to have some connection to spiders, so I guess there is some spider-like creatures in this next season, and for Kali, I think her character will be trapped and experimented on by Linda Hamilton's new character...
I feel like since eleven (I’m pretty sure) wasn’t in the radio station, she may have gone to find kali for back up. I also feel like her crew will, be killed idk tho
What radio station are you referring to?
Yes, as a person who was “absorbed” by Henry previously and she is in his mind fighting with Max and Eddie and all the others who have been “absorbed.”
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I still can't see how people missed the easter egg in Season 3 when Eleven was spying on Hopper and Joyce walking through the woods and when she was telling the other kids about what she heard she was like "CHI-CA-GO" and everyone just looked at each other and shrugged. As if to say sorry for that episode. 😂
I'm sure Kali seeing the Hawkins aftermath all the way in Chicago will prompt her to help e11even. That's how it could happen.
It would make sense, she is the only other 1 with powers. But they haven't brought her back at all. So it would be so weird!!
I actually like season two it wasn’t that bad it was different in its own way and I’ll be surprise if she come back to help EL out with the Demogorgon Mind flayer and vecna it will be interesting to see
Its just one of her and three of them I think she could use some help
To me, that episode wasn't horrible. Sure, it added nothing at all to the S2 storyline except for Kali, but I thought it was written well and kind of interesting. It did offer one other thing, though. Towards the end of the episode the man that the gang tries to kill tells 011 and 008 that Brenner is still alive. Then Kali puts Brenner in 011's head and is like "you really never looked for me??" It added an opening for Brenner to come back. I gotta hand it to the Duffers and the writers, that was pretty smart. I wouldn't be at all opposed to Kali coming back. Anything to help defeat Vecna.
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Am I the only one who doesn’t mind her coming back?
No. I think they should bring her back. There are lots of positives to bring her back and help in the fight. Also, I never thought this episode was bad. Out of place within the sequence of episodes? Maybe, but it would be interesting to bring her back.
i want her back too 😉
The duffers bringing Kali back isn't a mistake. Sure the episode is out place, but she plays the character really well. And remember, they emphasize that Eleven's mother (who is important in the shows lore) sent El there for a reason to reunite with Kali. I think she sent her there because Kali is important in teaming together to defeat Vecna. Afterall, she is the last surviving test subject and also the only one that has abilities similar to Vecna, which could be key to defeating him. For some reason El's mom knew this. Holy shit I almost forgot, and add to the fact that Kali was the one who taught El to channel a hurtful memory to make her powers stronger, and who was it that ALSO taught her that... not coincidence.
Theory : Max wakes up from coma blind and Kali uses her powers to bring back her sight
That would be interesting
We shall see if she does come back
I have mixed emotions about " The Lost Sister" episode. However, the more I watch this season, the more I like the characters, writing, and special effects in this episode. Eleven has to grow up and discover who she is. She can't do this in Hoppers' cabin. I have no problem bringing Kallie back. I see the actress who plays Kallie walking the halls of the high school and in other scenes. I think that they took some of their most talented actors who had minor roles and developed characters to bring them into the spotlight. Eleven and the gang are going to need all the help they can get fighting Vecna. One reason I like The Lost Sister episode is because it shows the city of Atlanta. I think they play some Allman Brothers in this episode.
Stranger Things is very sentimental to me because I grew up in Georgia, and went to high school in the early 1980s.
I reckon 11 will seek out kali because they’re the only 2 numbers left aside from Henry, so she’d be good backup for fighting him
I hope she comes back in season 5. It would be so epic to see her on Eleven's side fighting Vecna. (Sorry if my english's bad, I'm french)
I think you are also forgetting that the Duffers are huge 80’s nostalgia buffs! And they referenced Star Wars in regard to this show. Multiple times with season 4 being “empire strikes back” (Han in carbonite/Max in coma) and this last season being “return of the Jedi” (Jaba getting choked out, Vader killing The Emperor/Vecna being defeated yet again, time jump to him turning on the mind flayer). This means that they are also huge fans of the last minute save by a long thought gone character. Like when Han Solo took off and left, only to come back at the last second and shoot Vader’s pod ship away so he couldn’t kill Luke while Luke was trying to end the Death Star. So yeah, it could happen in some way shape or form.
But the most likely is that Vecna has already absorbed 8 and her illusion powers and that’s why she hasn’t come back yet, and when Max is absorbed and inside his mind in season 5, she runs into Chrissy, Frankie, the jock Pete, 8 and Eddie and a bunch of others. I think Vecna will absorb Eddie and use his bitten body after being defeated this time; in the first act of season 5. Then use Eddie’s body in the end when he turns on the mind flayer (now a red dragon) and it will look like Eddie is a freaking hero. Redeeming both his character and Henry’s. And that’s why the stage play is important. The team must use Henry’s ex girlfriend that he thought he killed accidentally when she fell off the stage, to get him to see the good in himself and help him fight the evil urges.
i wanttt herr back with el
I think she should. I think eight should come back because she can also win help 11 to beat Ana💕 and think that should be a good potline and I would like to have the other other, but if it was just her, I will be bored with it and I will be very happy about it, she would be more character in season five character because she is colored and she should be not a site character in the show
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I honestly wouldnt mind Kali coming back but I would also hate it if she just came back for a couple scenes in the final battle part of the season.
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I think it's a 50/50, but the duffer magic is real😂 I honestly don't want her to be in season 5. ALSO I LOVE WHEN YOU POST UPDATE VIDEO/THEORYS DO MORE PLEASE 🙏
Yes, the episode did seem somewhat detached.
I think she will return, and in some kind of really awesome way. And yes, without the gang. It would make sense for her to come back as it's one of those loose ends that needs tying up.
She absolutely needs to return. I get people hate her and the episode but she’s part of El’s history
It would make sense her coming back this season and not before. Hawkins just because a MASSIVE News story and it would have come to her attention since she escaped from there and she might believe (correctly) that the events at the end of S4 were not natural. She might return to help 11. It might be a character growth moment. I'm not saying I'd LIKE it to happen, but I can see how it could make sense.
Ok so I think they could bring her back well IF they needed her to bring down Vecna. We have seen that El can not create visions & from I gathered(after rewatching) that Kali can. They could need her to bring down Vecna as they might need his full power which would be them combined
I think 008/Kali helped 011/Ell honey in on her abilities...she needs to help the group defeat Vecna!
I hope they bring kali back it would be fun
Let's hope Vecan doesn't "consume" Kali/008, otherwise he will channel her power.
I don't want to see her either, but she may save 11 and Kali may die? Maybe just the thought!
Lol I like that episode
I wouldn't mind seeing her in this season. I think her showing up in s5 could make since. I mean the upside down is right side up lol now monsters everywhere. End of the world type stuff. Why wouldn't she come to help her sister. I agree just her though.
I feel like she needs to come back, she literally can do what Vecna does she'd be so useful. This season would also be the perfect time for her to show up cause its the biggest battle the group has had to deal with they need all the help they can get. The lost sister episode gets way too much hate and the people who hate on the actress makes me look at you with a side eye cause whats your real reason.? I liked the actress and I also wish we got more of her backstory in maybe a previous season. Her power is really interesting considering she also seems to be different then the rest of the kids with powers.
I hope they send a pic of Linnea on costume (if she is infact in the final season)
I think they missed their opportunity with Callie. Our Hawkins squad have faced this danger alone. I'd like to just focus on them. I do think that, That episode, as bad as it was, was due to the storyline surrounding Callie. Not Callie as a character. I never understood how the Duffers got that so wrong. I just don't want an outsider coming in during overtime to save the day. (Just my opinion)
I want kali to come back because we didn't see enough of her story and history,i also think eleven and her reuniting would be cool aswell , i think shes coming back because at the start of S4 hellfire couldnt win with the number 11 and lucas was number 8 for basketball and lucas won the game so mabye they needto work together to stop vecna
I think and hope kali will be back in Season 5 because kali has a power similar to vecna of showing visions or illusion and eleven shares all the power same that of vecna except the kali's one so if they're together means they're equal to vecna so it's easy to defeat him.
Eleven powers + Kali power = vecna power
Still i want kali just to share the minor role in the finale not the major but i want her tbh
KALI IS LIKE YODA IN STAR WARS 5
I think it's unfair to make such a big ordeal about horrible the lost sister was. It wasn't THAT bad. I liked Kali. It was cool to see another person with super natural gifts which mostly has rested on elevens shoulders. Also she helped eleven realize her potential. I've been waiting for her to make a comeback. If she doesn't I'm okay with but I wouldn't mind it if she did.
I don’t think the lost sister is a terrible as people say
I think they can redeem this character. Elle might just need her but I don’t think it’s gonna happen.
I always wondered... How could they bring Kali back? I feel there was more they could have done with her. And I absolutely agree with it happening in S4. Bringing her back into season 5 seems pointless from a character development standpoint, and storyline would just feel forced.
the lost sister wasnt as bad as you make it out to be. eleven was such a bada$$ in this episode. you saying such offensive things about this makes me want to unsubscribe.
Kali/008 might join Ele/011 in the final showdown against Vecna/001.