Solmization and the Guidonian hand in the 16th century

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @arastoomii4305
    @arastoomii4305 7 лет назад +164

    if this is not the best channel on RUclips, i don't know what is.
    thank you for these great series.

    • @sgerianda
      @sgerianda 3 года назад +4

      Exactly. First like then watch

  • @pianopiano2761
    @pianopiano2761 5 лет назад +38

    I'm 35 years old and I regret I haven't learned music when I was a kid. However, I am mature enough (and crazy enough) to do it now. I feel stupid most of the time, but curiosity is a good booster. I've overcome the part of my life when I felt stupid because of asking questions. Love from Italy.

    • @lawrencetaylor4101
      @lawrencetaylor4101 Год назад +1

      The same story, but I started last year at 65 years old. Couragio della Svizzera.

    • @shakespeareaholic
      @shakespeareaholic 5 месяцев назад

      I've been in the same boat mate, how did you go 5 years on? Love from Aus

  • @christopherwarwick5956
    @christopherwarwick5956 7 лет назад +26

    This is like an old Open University T.V. broadcast! Brilliant!

  • @jai97guit
    @jai97guit 6 лет назад +45

    How can anyone dislike?? The ammount of work put into this is amazing. Subbed

  • @StephenBaggaley
    @StephenBaggaley 7 лет назад +18

    Revealing and explanatory of a system that long intrigued me.

  • @philiprobinson7332
    @philiprobinson7332 5 лет назад +17

    Brilliantly done. I need to watch this a few times to really 'get' all the points. So glad that I've found it.

  • @ivanravenski
    @ivanravenski 7 лет назад +33

    Extremely informative and very entertaining. Great upload.

  • @shantiglam
    @shantiglam 3 года назад +1

    This is one of the best music channels but not only for music. One of the best channels out here in general.
    The (modern as explained on wikipedia) system of solmization is the only one that makes sense to me because music is relative to a tonal center (tonic) not to any fixed freqeuncy. I don't understand how "do" can be equal to C. Do is a sensation that corresponds to the tonic of any given key, including keys that do not exist on instruments ! This is what is taught in indian classical music. There are only 12 notes that correspond to "colors" or "sensations" and then you fix the tonic, which determines the rest of the notes thanks to relationships. This is how we are able to sing any mode in any given key.... Thank you for the very nice video.

  • @박문각전공음악온율
    @박문각전공음악온율 8 месяцев назад +2

    0:50 Gamut 3:46 귀도의 손 4:47 16세기 푸가의 기보+노래 9:22 헥사코드로 노래하기

  • @CyberChapel
    @CyberChapel 7 лет назад +19

    So much to think about. Thank you for sharing your deep insights into these matters.

  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot1 4 года назад +4

    This video and your one on Hexachords has provided me with an important context for understanding what I was hearing in Early Music, but did not comprehend what was going on. Fascinating! Thanks

  • @carlosandres7006
    @carlosandres7006 7 лет назад +27

    You are my hero. Thanks ad infinitum. Can you make a video in order to learn to use the hand? 😍🤗👍👏

  • @petegalvs
    @petegalvs 5 лет назад +17

    Elam, you have a beautiful voice :)

  • @RafaelAAMerlo
    @RafaelAAMerlo 3 года назад +6

    Thanks Adam Neely for referencing this video and channel! Awesome work :D

  • @nicool1312
    @nicool1312 4 года назад +2

    damn it's incomprehensible !!! thank you for popularizing ... not everyone is familiar with these concepts

  • @matchboxmatt
    @matchboxmatt 4 года назад +3

    These videos have been incredible. I've been watching all your videos as a supplement to my Renaissance Performance Practice class, and I deeply appreciate the clarity, energy, and care you put into your videos. It's beautiful how you can take something as complex and confusing as solmization (or modes... or tuning... or anything) and make it so easy to understand. Thank you for all you do.

  • @JH_Phillips
    @JH_Phillips 3 года назад +1

    This was fantastic. I found an illustration of the Guidonian hand in an old lute music book. I was fascinated by the illustration and had not understood it fully until now. Thanks so much!

  • @jeremydittus
    @jeremydittus 3 года назад +2

    This is great; thank you for being so clear and specific! I will definitely share this with my students.

  • @joanaguine
    @joanaguine 3 года назад +1

    Thank you so much! I have just taught myself how to use the guidonian hand, thanks to this wonderful clear video!

  • @augustomariogoulartpimenta4727
    @augustomariogoulartpimenta4727 7 лет назад +3

    Guys, you're amazing. Thank you!

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 Год назад

    I'm still watching the video so I don't know how much detail you give about the hand, but that is something that interests me. I studied to be a Chiropractor, practice of the hand in Greek. I had a shoulder injury and so had to learn a host of other techniques, and even specialized in the shoulder as well as the arm and hand. I never had music training until last year (at 65 yoa!) and am making up for lost time.
    I'm a horrible singer, but I've treated numerous singers, since my area is known for it's choirs. And singers use their hands to help them reach notes. But this information blew me away since the hand is the joint in the body with an incredible amount of brain connections. I also took a fascinating seminar that showed that there are 16 different postural and movement patterns that correspond exactly with the personality traits of Jung. They mentioned during their teachings that maybe it's not the brain that controls the body, but the body that controls the brain.
    Our bodies have evolved over generations, and maybe by singing and using the hands, we have adapted at being better singers. This should be taught in schools to children, to get back to our roots.
    I have a patient with a major orthopedic and neurological problem with his neck. When he does piano fingering exercises, his neck works better. He is happy to do the exercises each day.

  • @surgeeo1406
    @surgeeo1406 Год назад

    This is a most valuable video for me at this time. I'm trying to self educate with solmization on plainchant, now I can focus without worrying about useless detais.

  • @tiniomi
    @tiniomi Год назад

    Excellent! Thank you very much!

  • @MrJonahWhaler
    @MrJonahWhaler 6 лет назад +4

    Bach's quote at the end is so beautiful. He actually described the principle of functional tonality, it's all about this fami, mifa.

    • @musicdirector8046
      @musicdirector8046 Год назад +1

      At the end of the day, it’s all about the so fa for me.

  • @Isabel-fy1er
    @Isabel-fy1er 3 месяца назад

    Sorry. I have English as second language, and this is the third time with this video. The first was two years I think. But today I had time to see what you were actually holding in your hands when you said "Playing". Thank you guys. You fixed my fryday night. 😂😂

  • @MrJonahWhaler
    @MrJonahWhaler 6 лет назад +7

    It is invaluable video! It is interesting that this system of hexachords seems to be much better for teaching solfege than modern systems. Of course it does not fit modern music requirements... but at the basic level when kids or adult beginner gets into it seems to be much more convinient for introduction into singing and hearing intervals.

  • @meriangelicaarakawa4106
    @meriangelicaarakawa4106 7 лет назад +2

    Very interesting and enlightening. Thanks ad infinitum too!

  • @IWantMyTimTV
    @IWantMyTimTV 7 лет назад +2

    So great!

  • @ladonnalisa5926
    @ladonnalisa5926 6 лет назад +2

    Mil gracias por este video. Esto me va ayudar con el contrapunto

  • @garydmcgath
    @garydmcgath 3 года назад

    Very useful! I'm doing a writing project where a character in the 16th century is learning to notate melodies, and this will help me to get it right.

  • @lostapple4039
    @lostapple4039 Год назад

    Thank you for the video!

  • @nyc88s
    @nyc88s 5 лет назад +1

    I really love your channel!

  • @yoshiisland4467
    @yoshiisland4467 4 года назад +16

    Very useful, thanks! There's just a mistake: "lascia fare mi" doesn't means "leave me alone", but, letteraly, "leave it to me" or "let me do it myself"! 🙂

  • @miguelullaberdullas
    @miguelullaberdullas 7 лет назад +3

    i love this channel

  • @patrickcunningham618
    @patrickcunningham618 3 года назад

    thoroughly enjoying this study. thank you very much, it has come at a perfect time and place in my own, slowly progressing voice and music studies.

  • @gastonduroc201
    @gastonduroc201 3 года назад

    Thank you for this...

  • @micrologus
    @micrologus 7 лет назад

    Wonderful! Thank you very very much!!!! You are the best!

  • @aaronkrucher2306
    @aaronkrucher2306 Месяц назад

    I love when my prof sends me your videos for better understanding a topic.
    PS: Greetings from Felix ~ you know which one :D

  • @musodave
    @musodave 2 года назад

    Fascinating and very informative video. Interesting that they used both letters and sol-fa syllables to identify notes. I wonder when the two systems parted company, and when the fixed do system established itself in many countries

  • @sagamusic2008
    @sagamusic2008 4 года назад

    Your channel is fantastic!

  • @kungfuasgaeilge
    @kungfuasgaeilge 6 лет назад +1

    Great channel by the looks of it! Subscribed, hoping to gorge on more of the content later today. Thanks A.Neely for the recommendation

  • @monkeyrilla
    @monkeyrilla Год назад

    Thanks for the video! Extremely informative ^.^

  • @AlexTuble
    @AlexTuble 6 лет назад +20

    Where do you get that narwhal? It's adorable 😍

  • @susanbreitung7584
    @susanbreitung7584 4 года назад

    This is so fascinating and informative. Thanks so much for this!

  • @qf1150
    @qf1150 3 года назад

    Excellent!!!

  • @mariajosepire
    @mariajosepire 7 лет назад

    Awesome chanel!! Please make more videos!

  • @stupidhatonthefloor3
    @stupidhatonthefloor3 6 лет назад +8

    Liked and subbed. Adam Neeley sent me!

  • @adolflazary5864
    @adolflazary5864 Год назад

    Uy uy muchas gracias por tu trabajo. Es muy útil. Salute

  • @gringasud
    @gringasud 6 лет назад +1

    Brillante!!!

  • @still451
    @still451 4 года назад +6

    I have attended three hours counterpoint lesson with my professor from Hamburg still dunno what he is talking about 😅 now I started to slightly understand of it...

  • @emiliomini4024
    @emiliomini4024 4 года назад

    Amazing video! you are amazing!!

  • @OmarzLiszt
    @OmarzLiszt 3 года назад

    Thanks, this is amazing!

  • @concetto11
    @concetto11 2 года назад

    ありがとうございます!

  • @QuintaEssentiaBR
    @QuintaEssentiaBR 7 лет назад +1

    We have clues other than altering pitch or dynamics to play hard and soft. I mean, using articulation and length of the notes, that is possible to do even on recorders or organ. It has almost the same effect in performance comparing to dynamics

  • @alexfiredarksymphony8385
    @alexfiredarksymphony8385 3 года назад

    Thanks! It's an amazing explication

  • @NoaShemer
    @NoaShemer 4 года назад

    אתם אדירים!!!

  • @tunglamle9443
    @tunglamle9443 5 лет назад +2

    Thank you a lot. You did a really good job. I really appreciate it. Your lecture has helpt me learing solmization easier. I am a fellow student in Viet Nam. I wish I could share all things in the video for my friends, my teacher, and my students. Vietnam's music theory is still poor. Could you share to me the picture "the Gamut", I hope I have it to print it out.

  • @monscarmeli
    @monscarmeli 2 года назад +1

    While it's elementary enough to grasp the objective application of the hexachord system to the gamut of notes, still once you began singing examples and mutating hexachords, my instinctive thought was "why doesn't he just sing it according to scale degrees and scalar note names?" It would take much deliberate practice to begin to "internalize" the logic behind the hexachord system, but I can see that doing so would open up a much deeper musical sensitivity - like truly understanding Bach's famous quote, etc.

  • @G.B.P.
    @G.B.P. 6 лет назад

    Beautiful video, subscribed

  • @mandalajose
    @mandalajose 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you for these video. Only one thing, sharps, B duro, turns the note into a mi. Also attention thay avoided calling a note ut, because of the end of the hexacordium. For example at the end of the solmization of ancor, the G cannot be called Ut, because the mutation points are DEA.

  • @jakemoll
    @jakemoll 6 лет назад +95

    Adam Neely crowd

    • @rjwusher
      @rjwusher 6 лет назад +5

      Liked and subscribed.

    • @lizkelley-tavernier4864
      @lizkelley-tavernier4864 6 лет назад +3

      Same here! This channel is so awesome!!

    • @MsBettyRubble
      @MsBettyRubble 6 лет назад +1

      Me too!

    • @ganaelschneider
      @ganaelschneider 5 лет назад +5

      seriously? I had no idea Adam would make a video about early music sources, that's awesome.
      I know both of them from totally different worlds

    • @ganaelschneider
      @ganaelschneider 5 лет назад +1

      can you give the link of the video where Adam mentions this?

  • @coteemartee
    @coteemartee 6 лет назад +1

    Excelente. Estas de la croqueta

  • @TheseAreMyHooves
    @TheseAreMyHooves 4 года назад

    Great videos, very informative! Any chance you could do a video on mensural notation ? :)

  • @d.o.7784
    @d.o.7784 3 года назад +1

    I am lost 😵‍💫

  • @DanielSilva-gc4xz
    @DanielSilva-gc4xz 2 дня назад

    Solmization feels like that meme from Ratatouille where the small guy is reading the mail with his eyes wide open.

  • @HumbleNewMusic
    @HumbleNewMusic 3 года назад +2

    Tell me you made this beauty using Doodly and I'm getting it today!!!!

  • @GrimLordofOregon
    @GrimLordofOregon 5 лет назад +3

    I find it interesting that the low G letter looks like the Cyrillic letter for the g sound.

    • @OrbiliusMagister
      @OrbiliusMagister 5 лет назад +4

      Not Cyrillic, but in fact Greek. The letter identifies the "low G" and the start of the system. In Italian the word "gamma" meaning "range" derived from it.

    • @agogobell28
      @agogobell28 5 лет назад +2

      In this case, it’s the Greek gamma.

    • @kam7286
      @kam7286 4 года назад +1

      Yes, it's Greek as mentioned by others. When the Cyrillic alphabet was devised, it borrowed already existing letters from Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, and also invented a few of its own for sounds that did not already have widely used symbols in these other alphabets.

  • @y11971alex
    @y11971alex 3 года назад

    The contest for the choirmastership seems like one of those challenges to read the names of colours written in other colours

    • @DanielSilva-gc4xz
      @DanielSilva-gc4xz День назад

      While writing other different colors with both hands at the same time.

  • @Barde_Jaune
    @Barde_Jaune 5 лет назад +3

    Okay, time to tatoo my hand the Guidonian way. ;o

  • @glauciamelo701
    @glauciamelo701 4 года назад

    Muito bom! A explicação foi bem didático.

  • @dorontirosh
    @dorontirosh Год назад

    Thank you

  • @arielshikoba1857
    @arielshikoba1857 4 года назад

    I now know more of what I don't know. Lol But awesome video and details 👌

  • @chmendez
    @chmendez 2 года назад

    In latin countries we still use Do, Re , Mi,etc as note names for C, D, E, etc.

  • @bluebird3878
    @bluebird3878 Год назад

    8:06 9:23 Thank you so much:)

  • @trompetakentron
    @trompetakentron 6 лет назад

    Excelent!!!!

  •  3 года назад

    Please, make a video on how solmization and hexachords were used in the 18th century. The soft hexachord was removed from the system, but a diatonic semitone was still mi-fa in every situation. This is the solmization Bach used, for example.

    • @Williamegert
      @Williamegert 3 года назад

      Do you have more information on this? Thanks!

    •  3 года назад

      @@Williamegert check out this book:
      Nicholas Baragwanath, The Solfeggio Tradition: A Forgotten Art of Melody in the Long Eighteenth Century, Oxford University Press (2020)

    • @Williamegert
      @Williamegert 3 года назад +1

      @ Thank you. Just bought it. :D

  • @VivianStreet
    @VivianStreet Год назад

    I should have watched this video before I watched the musica ficta one! I hadn't realized how important the Guidonian hand was. It makes sense that in a system where you can (and do!) indicate notes just by pointing to a spot on your hand, the notes that aren't on the hand seem...less important? That is, if you can't indicate it on your hand, why would you indicate it in writing?

  • @patrickcunningham618
    @patrickcunningham618 4 года назад

    great

  • @windowsforvista
    @windowsforvista 7 лет назад +1

    Please do the musica ficta video!

  • @urssulas
    @urssulas 4 года назад

    I always hear you say “de la Motte” 😄

  • @castl_n
    @castl_n Год назад +2

    Hi! Could you tell more about how the solmization concept basically killed our ability to play harp? That would be interesting, thank you.

  • @janheuvelmans7096
    @janheuvelmans7096 Год назад

    Is of komt er een bijdrage over de voces belgicae van Huibrecht Waelrant in de late zestiende eeuw in zijn lekenmuziekschool in Antwerpen? Hij 'vond de si uit', leerde ik, waardoor het ingewikkelde muteren niet langer nodig was. De techniek bleef echter bruikbaar voor een nieuwe compositietechniek: de modulatie. Klopt dit?

  • @szilardjofoldi6849
    @szilardjofoldi6849 2 года назад

    Excellent performance! Do you know the Kodály method in Hungary? Relative solmization is used in music education from kindergarten to high school. It is very useful and can help ordinary people learn to sing

  • @HoffmannVdg
    @HoffmannVdg 4 года назад

    Thank you very much for this and many other lessons, especially for the both serious and light way of presentation.
    I have one request: Could you please give the reference to the pages within the "Practica Musica" where Finck writes about the different performances of the syllables? I think it lacks in your footnotes. Thanks again.

    • @EarlyMusicSources
      @EarlyMusicSources  4 года назад +2

      You are correct! I will add it:
      You can read about it Anne Smith' "The Performance of 16th-Century Music" p.28. And here is the original place: Hermann Finck, Practica musica, Wittenberg, 1556; facsimile, Hildesheim-New York, 1971, Bv
      - Biiv

  • @MrJonahWhaler
    @MrJonahWhaler 6 лет назад +1

    I wonder if there is any descritption/or any idea in the sources how they taught Guidonian hand, the methodology of it. I mean how they did it in practice... for example when they taught kids, obviously it was through singing but how they adopted it to voice range, what was the approach... If not in the sources, maybe you have some suggestion from your own experience. Thank you

  • @MySuperAnt
    @MySuperAnt 6 лет назад +1

    Subbed

  • @susanvaughan4210
    @susanvaughan4210 5 лет назад

    No wonder I've never been overly fond of a Maj. 3rd!

  • @mojeo522
    @mojeo522 4 года назад +5

    7:16 the 's' on his harpsichord is shaking

    • @harrympharrison
      @harrympharrison 4 года назад

      How bizarre..

    • @keithforbes4544
      @keithforbes4544 4 года назад +1

      It's a blur/motion correction from his camera, since the pig is moving around slightly

  • @Tomsfilipsons
    @Tomsfilipsons 5 лет назад

    The first thing I do with every video is find the pig with the sunglasses. Otherwise it just suddenly jumps out at me and I have bad dreams afterwards. Know your enemy.

  • @jdanielcramer
    @jdanielcramer 4 года назад +2

    So well done, if only you’d let Monsieur Plushy Narwhale sing once in awhile? 🙃

  • @MrJoedonaghey
    @MrJoedonaghey 7 лет назад +2

    What animation software do you use??

  • @cartoman2503
    @cartoman2503 7 лет назад +1

    What about the Kodaly method using a new version of solisation ?

    • @PamelaMou1
      @PamelaMou1 6 лет назад +1

      Cartoman yes, which was taken from a system taught in Wales.

  • @hunterharris4869
    @hunterharris4869 2 года назад +1

    Why was the scale at that time limited to a hexachord and not, let's say, a heptachord or the full octave? Mutations are pretty cool as a concept but it's always bugged me why 6 notes instead of 8.

    • @marimba628
      @marimba628 Год назад

      Because Guido d'Arezzo invtented the system (hexachord) in the 11th century for learning Gregorian chant. The solfege syllables come from first syllable of the first 6 phrases of the Latin hymn "Ut queant laxis"

  • @preludefugue4859
    @preludefugue4859 3 года назад

    Wow … what is the software to zoom in and zoom out the image in this great video ? Thank you..

  • @easter.bunny.6
    @easter.bunny.6 7 лет назад +1

    I love that stuffed little animal, can I have it plzzz....

  • @fabiocasadeiturroni
    @fabiocasadeiturroni 7 лет назад +7

    Very useful!!!! Thanks for sharing!!! But LASCIA FARE MI does not mean LET ME ALONE, but LET ME DO, that is a nicer statement to start a new piece of music. :-)

    • @federico4639
      @federico4639 5 лет назад +1

      Maybe it's like "let me be", it's not modern italian, I guess it's tuscan or some other dialect

    • @musicdirector8046
      @musicdirector8046 Год назад

      Perhaps the appropriate English idiom would be, “leave it to me.”

  • @tuyetmuahe
    @tuyetmuahe 2 года назад

    What books or resources are helpful to learn this Italian solfeggio?

  • @pianjitsu2857
    @pianjitsu2857 4 года назад

    ¿Cuántos géneros de Mutanza hay en el canto llano y qué es disyunta?

  • @flugelflugel4556
    @flugelflugel4556 3 года назад +1

    I see that you put alot of effort in this video. But i am totally lost when you got to mutations, how do you know when to do a mutation in piece that you sang?

  • @MatSomers_dev
    @MatSomers_dev 6 лет назад +4

    Coming over from Adam's :)