Why Do These Cost $40k? | Tony Iommi's Monkey SG Story | 2020 Gibson Custom Replica | Review + Demo
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2020 Gibson Custom Shop Tony Iommi Monkey SG Review + Demo
🐕 Episode Guide:
0:00 - Intro - Check Links In Description!
0:33 - The Monkey SG
1:01 - How He Got It
2:00 - SG Special
2:37 - Iommi's Fingers Story
4:03 - Play Again Mods
4:54 - Tuning Issue Mods
6:50 - Sustain/Output Mods
John Birch Superflux
9:05 - The Monkey Sticker Story / What's on the Headstock
9:47 - When It Was Retired / CURSE
10:26 - Where It Is Now
10:36 - Gibson Custom Shop Replica
Price / How Many Made
12:26 - Case Candy - Cross
14:08 - Inside Look Lefty
26:08 - Inside Look Righty
29:08 - Lefty Tone Demo
33:44 - Righty Tone Demo
39:21 - Final Thoughts
41:34 - Blacklight Test
42:32 - Case
📹 Mentioned Videos:
Tony Iommi on Strat: • Jethro Tull
Tony Iommi Interview: • Tony Iommi - Interview...
Django Reinhardt Live: • Django Reinhardt CLIP ...
Tony Iommi Monkey with Tailpiece: • Video
📚 Description: 1964 Gibson Tony Iommi Monkey SG Replica by Gibson Custom Shop
The Guitar that birthed Heavy Metal - fun fact, almost a 60s pre-CBS Strat Sunburst Strat that was painted white - but the pickups died during the first song so he switched to this back up.
Story goes got in 1967 Birmingham UK - Iommi is a left handed player, but had a righty SG - he traded for a lefty in a parking lot was used on the first 4-5 Black Sabbath Albums until its retirement around 1975 for various reasons
Not Stock (talk about stock SG Special) - customized for Mr. Tony. Working accident lost 2 finger tips. Last day of work in 1964 before going pro with band, thought about calling off but mom urged him to go. Electric welding, but the sheet metal press operator was gone so they had him do the job - guillotine press came down, pulled back ripped off middle and ring fingers. Sawed bone down - depressed - Jango Reidhardt. Leather fingertip.
Light guage strings - 8s.
Filed Down frets
Lacquered fretboard
Tuning instability - light gauge strings and build design
Various setups - 1970 Installation of bridge/tailpiece - Leo Quan at time of retirement
Zero Fret - more even sounding open strings
Schaller Tuners
Low Sustain/output
John Birch. Modified pickups - Iommi was part of the company to get custom
Superflux pickup in neck 9vs6 pole pieces - wax potted to avoid squeal with shielding cavity. Later used John Birch built guitars after retired (epiphone crosses.) Sticker on headstock. Disconnected bridge pup tone for more output
Monkey Sticker - jacket he liked to put patches on since it was plain - decided to stick a monkey sticker on there and it just stuck
Retired it because it was just too valuable to take on the road. All the mods made it irreplaceable, no backup available. It was stolen at one point too for 6 months, but it turned up at a pawn shop and record label bought it back for him. Guy got rid of it because he just had so much bad luck while owing it. Cursed.
Original sits in Hardrock Cafe in New York.
2020 Custom Shop Replica - Aged in-house + Signed by Iommi
25 Sets (25 Right, 25 Left - total of 50 made) USA didn't get matches, Japan
Choose true to original or one I can play. Righties more popular sold fast
$20k a piece. $40k on the set
Bonus Candy
Heavy Leather NYC Leather Strap - $385
Iommi purple-lined Coffin w/ Cross - same given to artists that collabed in first solo album
Extra Monkey Decal
Iommi Brand COA
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The Story of Tony Iommi's "Cursed" Monkey SG | 2020 Gibson Custom Shop Replica | Review + Demo 
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🐕 Episode Guide:
0:33 - The Monkey SG
1:01 - How He Got It
2:00 - SG Special
2:37 - Iommi's Fingers Story
4:03 - Play Again Mods
4:54 - Tuning Issue Mods
6:50 - Sustain/Output Mods
John Birch Superflux
9:05 - The Monkey Sticker Story
9:47 - When It Was Retired / CURSE
10:26 - Where It Is Now
10:36 - Gibson Custom Shop Replica
Price / How Many Made
12:26 - Case Candy - Cross
14:08 - Inside Look Lefty
26:08 - Inside Look Righty
29:08 - Lefty Tone Demo
33:44 - Righty Tone Demo
39:21 - Final Thoughts
41:34 - Blacklight Test
42:32 - Case
Goofy question here......Just wondering, with the spinning guitars you show do you have a specific device to show and make them turn or do you do it by hand out of camera shot?
WHEN IS THE EPIPHONE SG REVIEW/GIVEAWAY COMING OUT?!!
Very cool guitars, but I do feel Gibson should have shielded the cavities and spent more time on making the finish checking accurate. I get that it will never be 100% accurate to the original, but for $20K it should be on point. Also I would definitely look into getting the nut soldered back on that pick up (especially now that it has been documented) people will just use that as an excuse to try to get it discounted ( and on a guitar of that caliber f**k that). Anyhow thanks for sharing, this is the only way I would have been able to see the in depth demo (20K is way out of my budget).
Best I can do is $3.50
I would love this guitar but it's a little bit out of my price range. Well, a lot out of my price range. Just a random question...what's the lowest you will go? Asking for a friend ya know.
Tony iommi with the cross: evil, scary, misterious
Trogly with the cross: a sunday school teacher who wear crocs and pastel polo shirts tucked in his cargo shorts
this is the funniest comment ever
Lawyer Morty “tugged”. Surely you mean “tucked”?! I suggest you buy yourself a dictionary before posting future comments. It avoids embarrassment.
You forgot "misterious"
and don't forget, that pronounces metal "metthul"
there is a complete tool in this comment thread. Can you spot them?
"A town called Birmingham"
lol, just a quaint little village with a mere 4.3 million inhabitants
He's American. Its a wonder if he knows where the UK is anyway.
The *real* Birmingham.
AKA "Bermingam", or just "Brum".
yes just a lill place where black sabbath are from
2nd largest city in England a "town"????
@@dougjeynes5351 Dude, your entire country only has 55 million inhabitants and we could fit five of it in Texas alone. If you were a state you would be the 51st poorest. You barely qualify for thinking about at all. The sun set on the British Empire a hundred years ago.
There’s gotta be one of those that weighs exactly 6.66 pounds, it must exist
MOST COLLECTABLE ONE !!!
They should just have chiseled away in a pickup cavity until they all where exactly 666
Kilos
Add some shielding until it weighs 6.66
for the lake of fire.
The only way these guitars are worth 40 thousand dollars is if they come with a 36 thousand dollar car that they drive the guitars in, over to your house to deliver it, and leave you the car.
4:15 Fun fact, it actually WAS really difficult to find light gauge guitar strings for Iommi. So difficult, in fact, that he used banjo strings.
Didn’t Chuck Berry do that as well?
@@pugzz6931 Yes, actually, he did. However, I'm not sure whether it was Iommi or Berry that did (or at least publicly claimed to have done) it first. Because, even though Chuck Berry made his musical debut MUCH earlier than Black Sabbath, it's always Iommi who is credited with inventing (or, at least, popularizing) the idea of light gauge guitar strings.
Jimmy Page also mentioned that he would substitute a banjo string for the high E and then string everything else with the E-A strings to make bends easier, this was back when he was a session player so it's possible a lot of players in Britain during the 60s were doing the same thing.
@@EpictheEpicest Really? I had no idea about that one.
a 20K dollar guitar with a broken pickup right out of the box?! come on Gibson! that is inexcusable.
Yes, but that way you get to "Play Authentic"
my friend has a guitar shop. he got in 12 new gibsons and 8 of them had real problems. 6 he sent back. from what i have seen and experienced personally gibson has build problems right now . is it that hard to build a good quality guitar? we are talking gibson for goodness sakes.
@@gregwilson2721 , long story short, we have nothing for shops where I live, so found a 2014 LP 1960 Custom Shop online at a GC, they described as collector owned and mint, but it arrived with buckle rash and dings. But - and this almost had to be from the factory - it had poorly finished fretboard edges and binding edges along the treble side. Like file marks. I returned it and found a 2018 used on Reverb that's about perfect, and recently bought a 2019 SG used that also has an excellent finish. But my experiences are very limited compared to what a shop would see. Still I hope they will get their act together.
As a part time guitar tech for 2 shops in my city, Gibson has shown the most inconsistencies in their quality both workmanship and electronically, and I’ve worked on hundreds upon hundreds of guitars in the past 20 years...
@@rockkstah2550 , yes it seems there are still problems at Gibson. I played a little in the 70's, quit, tried in the 80's quit, and got more serious from 2015 on. I've had several Gibsons, Martins and Fenders over the years, esp. more recently, and getting a good quality Gibson has been the toughest. The closest good guitar shops are two hours from me, so it's hard to try something out, and check out neck size, QC, playability, and people lie about condition, buying online, so it's been frustrating. But I have two nice Martins, a great Strat, an old LP Special, a nice LP 1960 Reissue, and recently a '64 SG Reissue. Peace.
Fun fact getting the board lacquered and using a zero fret was suggested to Tony by Brian May, who also has those features on his guitar.
Birmingham is a city much like the Detroit of England
So it's a shit hole too? I live in the D I'll call it a shit hole if I want to. 😆
@@misterknightowlandco I live in Birmingham, many parts are indeed a shithole however there are some nicer areas
lmao this isnt even compareable
Insofar as it’s large, quite poor, and suffers a lot of racism, yeah!
Well it depends parts of it are fucking great
We are living in a golden age of guitars right now. There’s so many boutique makers surpassing “vintage“ guitars. Get yourself one of these new guitars and you’ll be happy 30 years from now when people are screaming for it.
Sweet man Tony Iommi is why i got an epiphone sg as a kid
"I spent 40 grand because I can't do a playing demo on a lefty"
*starts playing demo on the lefty*
Are you OK Trogly?
At least he didn't "glarryify" the SG
He did ok on the lefty I hope he gets his money back on these guitars
He did do well on the lefty, until he tried to play it left-handed. not easy, but he tried. I felt relieved when he got to the right handed one. Nicely done.
@@ericbutler6881 reverb.com/item/33099259-video-2020-gibson-custom-tony-iommi-monkey-1964-sg-special-right-and-left-handed-faded-red-set
more confused by the fact hes not very good playing righty either. Dudes got passion or just alot of money to waste because he kind of sucks at guitar
Man if I spent $20k on a replica guitar with finish checking that lazy, i'd send it back in a heartbeat.
You would have never noticed if he didn't point it out.
Then you would be charged 10% restore fee
@@YeatzeeGuitar Just because you don't pay attention doesn't mean everyone has 20k to blow on shitty work.
@@bronsoncarder2491 😂 what???
@@bronsoncarder2491 yeah that baggy o blow should be there no??
Those "Special Symbols" on the back of the cross are British Silver Hallmarks. You can tell which city, what year and who made it. I'm guessing as it is Tony it would have been 'Assayed' in the Birmingham proof office. If so it will bear the 'Anchor' mark and 925 denoting 'Sterling Silver'
Yep, I thought this, it needs checking. If they aren't stamped Birmingham I'd be so triggered.
I love the SG Special, I have a 1967 that my parents bought me when I was in high school, in excellent shape and plays great, fantastic guitar, not a Tony Iommi, but my own SG Special!!!
Thank you Trogly, you are the only way most of us will get such an extended in depth view of an iconic guitar(s).
I’m sorry but if you bought one of these for 20 grand you plain got robbed! 8k would have been crazy. Gibson laughed all the way to the bank!
dude he makes money off of these videos then flips these guitars in his reverb store for a profit. I believe trogly is the one that's going to be laughing all the way to the bank
@@MrJam1001 You vastly over-estimate how much youtube pays. Think roughly 1K per million views. So if this video gets 100K views he makes, what, $100? Trogly also has these guitars listed on reverb for WAY less than he paid.... I really hope he gets some of his money back on these.
He doesnt pay full retail when buying new. So no, He isnt losing money.
mac525 since when is 25k less than $20k
@@maclean525 You get a lot more than $1000 USD for 1million views. Likewise, a lot more than $100 for 100k views. I have maybe 28k views on my channel in the past month, and over $100 in revenue for those views.
I could never afford one. I think its cool. The downside: Gibson. $20k and they don't make it accurate. Ridiculous.
They're complete morons. The only Gibson I'd ever buy is a 77 RD but I don't think they ever made any lefty models. I'm not gonna drop $10000(probably more honestly) on a custom shop build either, which is hard to even do in the first place because you have to actually locate a store that takes custom orders, rather than do it online, because Gibson is stuck in the 50s for the sake of TraDiTiOn
@@ATthemusician you can even look for 70's made guitars like Orville or Greco, guitars that sound like vintage gibson for % of the $$. People always find tone by the headstock name and price tag...
You could, however, afford a BETTER guitar crafted by the folks at the Heritage custom shop. These are the guys who built Kalamazoo Gibsons, when the company was relevant. In 2015, I ordered a totally custom Prospect: Duncans with push/pull pots, 14" radius plain rosewoid board, 1 3/4" black tusq nut, Schaller roller bridge/trapeze tailpiece, Sperzel locking tuners, and highly fugured woods. The cost: $3400; the wait: 6-8 months. NO REGRETS. Fits my style and hands perfectly; nearly effortless playing experience.
That extra sticker will become uncomfortabley rare and collectible one day, and I feel happy knowing that.
You can buy them quite cheap from ebay haha, but yea
Bro it’s a fucking sticker.
Tony Iommi is one of my idols (I'm also a lefty with a missing fret-hand fingertip). I'd rather just mod an SG Special than drop $20k...but I certainly wouldn't having one of these as a display piece with my Sabbath collection!
Yea man, or even buy sg classic... That thing is almost ready from stock.
Kylie! How'd you lose your fingertip?
Wow... For $20K, and being sold as a "replica", I would think that everything should be exacting to the original. Marks, dents, sticker damage, etc.. I know it would be hard to do, and I surely wouldn't want to do it.. And of course, the shielding and the bridge. They should sell this as Tribute model or something. IIRC, back when Fender did the EVH replica, it was supposed to be pretty much accurate. Same year quarter, cig stains. The only real differences were that it didn't smell of years of smoke and sweat and I think I heard the frets were bigger or some small thing like that. Back to the point about the bridge on the Iommi being different. Supposedly for the EVH, they went thru heck sourcing the correct year quarters and the accurate reflectors and such to make it authentic. The EVH was $15k. I actually got to play one. Was pretty cool. Thanks for the vid on this !
As amazing as this guitar is it’s a shame how expensive they are :/ hopefully epiphone will make a budget model
I believe the they do
Edit: I was thinking of Peter Framptons, so no sg monkey
Look at the amount of detail it has, imagine how much work goes to it. Its not worth 20k but its a fair price for what is essentially an art guitar
@@otavio048 it would if it actually would be perfect. It's not, as trogly pointed out quite clearly.
Unfortunately I can assure you that the closest epiphone will ever get to this guitar probably is the 2020 SG special. Its just a too specific guitar with just too outlandish features for epiphone to reproduce.
That said, take a Epi SG special with P90 routing, throw in a set of John Birch for hundred bucks, get a wrap around with adjustable intonation for 40 bucks, and you are preeeeetty damn close.
This aged well, lol. Just over 2k for the Gibson USA model.
Yep and the headstock will absolutely ruin it too.
$20k for an imperfect replica with time saving repeated finish checking? That's pretty unacceptable
Not usually a fan of aged/collector guitars like this, but I gotta say those guitars sound amazing. I don't think you've ever had a guitar on this channel that's sounded as good as those to my ears. I hope they get played and don't end up in a case somewhere.
Tony was moding out guitars way before Eddie Van Halen hit the scene. From the polyurethane 24 fretboard to high output custom john birch pickups.. the guy was doing things that even gibson said couldn't be done to a guitar. The guys injury was actually a blessing in a way because of him lowering the tuning on his guitar to make it easier on his fingers aloud him to invent a new genre of music. The hand of doom, he's created some of the most iconic riffs, ever.
This is the best effort here.
Two guys got me 'started' in late '72, Leslie West and Tony Iommi.
Credit to Austin for being so forensically critical about the workmanship on guitars he's already looking to sell!
Back in the day, guitarists would take a set of strings, probably 10s, throw the low E out and string it up starting with hr A string as the E. Then they got banjo strings for the high E and sometimes B.
Lots of players did this, including Hendrix, Jimmy Page, and Terry Kath.
Ernie Ball came out with Slinky’s because of this trend.
Another thing about Iommi is he tuned down a half step with those 8s.
"Another thing about Iommi is he tuned down a half step with those 8s"
Wasn't a lot of the early stuff in standard though. First few albums etc.
@@eurostenners Yes
He tuned down a WHOLE STEP AND A HALF for songs like "Snow blind" and "Sabbath bloody sabbath"!
@@curtisprice9806 I think he used 9s for that. But still!
I've been waiting for this to come out. Though I'm not a huge Sabbath or Iommi fan, I do respect what they have done over the years. Also, a very respectable playing job with the left-handed version. Well done, thanks for documenting this guitar.
Gibson is smoking some pretty heavy shit lately! $40,000? I don't think so.
You are thinking of it as something to play...that's not who Gibson is targeting here. These are collector pieces. The collecting market is very lucrative. As a player, would I buy one of these and gig it? Not a chance. If I were a rich Black Sabbath fan or autograph and memorabilia collector wanting to display it? Probably.
Not Gibson. The idiots who would pay it. If Gibson can sell them, well done them!
Only 20. He bought two. But yeah Gibson are the ones smoking heavy shit
@@ferox965 I only half-agree. Serious collectors would buy the actual guitar played by the artist at historical concerts, or laying down studio tracks. The buyers of these SGs may BELIEVE that the value will appreciate, but true collectors KNOW that their vintage or custom instruments with provenance are valuable. A gifted high-school woodworker could probably build a better version of these things. Gibson is desperate to find a market sector. A few years back, they offered a Le Grande pressed-top jazz box (I believe that current iterations now feature a carved top) - at the same price point, Mark Campellone artisan crafts exceptional instruments of substance, and value.
@@williambarabanitz3858 People will buy this. Just like cars. Limited edition etc. Gibson brand name. As far as quality goes, the person who can afford this likely isn't a working musician. So it doesn't really matter-it's a collector's piece. It will be displayed probably in a display case of some sort. I haven't checked Trogly's store but I bet these are gone. I have a stage played Les Paul from an underground legend. Would I gig it? Depends...but it sees LOTS of studio time.
Thanks for making this - where else could you see someone tearing apart a $20K guitar? I have to say I have always thought SGs were hideous, and these seem like a conspicuous waste of money, but to each his own, and the video is a winner!
I initially hated the way sg guitars looked, but now they're my favorite style. A part of me still wishes the horns were even, instead of one horn bigger than the other lmao
For 20,000 and no Brazilian and not accurate aging/relicing? No thanks, great review though. Edit: And No Shielding? Jesus
There at least should be Shielding!
This beasts sound so good!! Incredible investment Trogs-mad respect. I was waiting for another review, and boy have you obliged, this was awesome! Incredible guitars, the both of them.
These are pretty dissapointing considering the price and the fact that Gibson refers to them as an exact replica...
Bill Rowse I have to agree even if I had the money I still wouldn’t buy this guitar
Good thing you can always buy Fender Custom Shop Jimmy Page Dragon & Mirror Telecaster set for around $55k.
SwirkH ur right about this
It's impossible to do an exact replica, I don't get why they advertise these ones as that.
Usually guys who can’t play over pay for a guitar to compensate.
Tony not only changed his guitar to overcome his injury, he invented METAL
It's like he had first dibbs on all the cool riffs
@@melvynobrien6193 these are base prototypes. These were blues based rock players who in no world would be called metal players. Iommi crystallized it and gave it a face more than anyone else.
Listen to the first LP. It's blues. Vanilla fudge was the same.
Listen to the first LP. It's blues. Vanilla fudge was the same.
Helter Skelter!
It's about freakin time! Great review too!
I like the pickups! They sound freaking amazing with distortion! They crunch up like a humbucker but 100% retain the sparkle.
Those are CRAZY prices for Tony's CS guitars and clearly aimed at the American market. I'm a 'Brummie' born very near to Tony a few years later and a guitar-collector. Tony must be laughing himself to death that anyone would be stupid enough to pay $40k for this.
Ok this a huge video ! I am excited ! I’ll put my comments later 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Tony was well known to use guitars that were custom made for him, to his specifications, by builders known as, "ghost," builders, contracted by the big name company, to build instruments that may not be their strong suit. This way the company retains the big name musician, the credibility of that name, and the musicians get the instruments they're looking for. This may be where the John Birch association began. Many well known signature artists use ghost built instruments, and that's guitars, basses, drums, but also brass instruments, classical instruments. There is also a similar situation in firearms used by elite operators, and a few well known hosts of outdoor sporting shows focused on hunting and shooting.
Tony's control cavity is always shielded, and I believe that the pickup cavities are as well.
One other quick note, Tony said recently that he went home at lunch on his last day, wasn't going to return for the afternoon, but his mother convinced him to finish the day. Ouch.
JD guitars the luthier iommi and angus young use aren't ghost builders the logos right on the headstock. Gibson signature models are marketing deals.
You can get JDs iommi old boy and JD customs (that iommi uses) and JD standards (angus youngs guitar spec)
Thanks for making this video, you madman. Definitely one of the more informative and cool ones.
Honestly, this was probably the best tone in any of your videos so far. John Birch makes some awesome pickups, and you can buy them on Reverb. And they're quite affordable actually.
Been waiting for this video, thankyou!
I just heard that Clapton used 8s for the “Beano’” album in 1966. He used a banjo string for the high E, with the five thinnest strings from a 10 gauge set for the rest.
five watt world?
Rick DeNatale but he wasn’t tuned down to B/C like Tony
Keith Williams I see
Support of Keith Williams, and the 5 watt world
I recall hearing Iommi mention that he used a banjo string as well.
awesome review, great to see them side by side. nice sabbath-suite riffage and guitar playing overall. you even sounded a bit like geezer in there at one stage dude! that bridge pickup on the righty sounds GNARLY. rock on Trogly
I’ve been waiting for this. I bought a 1986 Gibson SG special YEARS ago because I was so into Tony in the late 80s.
I will never understand why would somebody pay this much for a replica of a famous guitar. I'm not even sure I'd be willing to pay 20k for the original.
Its called being rich and a collector of sabbath memobilia
Wouldn't pay this much for a replica but if I had 20 grand to spend on the original if it was up for grabs I wouldn't hesitate a second.
I would gladly pay this for that beautiful thri g
I love Black Sabbath and Tony Iommi but unless I thought I could resell this custom shop guitar for more $$$ there is NO WAY I'd ever pay 20 grand. It's a beat up guitar with a missing tailpiece and a monkey sticker! And it's not even an exact replica! Of course the original one has nostalgic value for Iommi himself, but for anyone else is seems frivolous to me. He tailored his guitar to himself not anybody else. So get a tuba playing penguin sticker and put some Gretsch pickups in a black Gibson EB-6 and I'll get it!
@@vonjunzt4130 x actly - it's 99% bcz others have set the price, and the hope of it being an investment.
The Cross is much smaller than the only Tony wore.
This is an amazing video. Thank you so much for all the detail and great information and the objective criticism. I still can't believe you paid out of pocket for 2 of them.
Know that I really appreciate your entire video.
I’m only 15 minutes in and this has already been the most interesting and engaging video I have ever watched on youtube. Once again, excellent job Trogly on this awesome video!
The pickups on these guitars sound fantastic. I think those stole the show.
As much as I love that they made this model, the execution, especially the aging and choice of fretboard material, feels shoddy to say the least. I've also had the pleasure of examining and playing a perfect replica of Steve Vai's very own EVO guitar made by Ibanez in 2012, which a dealer tried to sell to me when I went to buy a J Custom RG. Let me tell you that in comparison to this, that felt like a passion project, despite being about a third of the price and being part of a series of 100 instruments. Not only that they did a fantastic job with the finish and reproducing the cracks and repairs on the original, but it felt like they really scanned it to get it right. It's probably not entirely perfect, but it's as close as one could get. I really wish Gibson put as much effort into their ludicrously expensive instruments. The fact that pickup fell out is absolutely ridiculous to say the least and they should be the ones reaching out to you to get that remedied.
Same with Fender, no one makes replicas quite as good as them. They seem to be able to copy things you just wouldnt think is possible.
The $299 epiphone plays better
You're the only guy that I know of who gives a time stamp list like you do. 👍👍
I think this is my favorite video of yours! Was really interesting to learn about the history of the guitar and Tony Iommi.
impressive that Gibson doesnt even care enough to do a 20k replica right
Pretty much. They emotionally withdrew from aspiring players to cater to collectors whom wouldn't hardly play it in the first place
I think it's more impressive that Trogly has $20K to spend on a LH guitar that he can't even play because he's right handed.
Whats wrong with it?
@@mvp019 Pee-wee Herman's secret love child #1 Idiot cant play guitar, so spends $20, 000 for a shamefully crap overpriced and un authentic guitar. Gets ripped then cry's, wtf so buys another for $40,000 just cos he's bi curious. Rinse repeat.
This guitar really reminds me of a Brian May Red Special
-red
-metal pickup covers
-lacquered fretboard
-zero fret
Coincidence? Yes. It is absolutely probably 100% a coincidence. Still interesting to note though.
And they both used treble boosters
They were great friend/ Still are :D
I kept watching and at no point did I think.. I want one.
Thanks for documenting these, your playing is really improving too! Keep up the great work!
I’ve been waiting for this video ever since I saw both sg’s being unboxed
Same haha
Sg’s are my favorite
Well done episode Trogly. Your playing is consistently getting better all the time too.
The pickups sound amazing,thanks for a great episode you really outdid yourself on this one
I've been waiting this episode patiently and finally it's here. I love SG very much. I'm very excited when you do SG episodes. Since you already documented player series like Tony Iommi, Buckethead, Derek Trucks and Frank Zappa, this is some recommendations for you in future and love to watch it
- SG special Pete Townshend CS (cherry red)
- SG special 50th anniversary Pete Townshend (alpine white)
Love to see them side by side 🤘
- SG Angus Young
- SG Brain Ray
I hope to see this on your channel in future 🤘and thanks for the awesome channel 👍👍
Awesome guitars. Nice review dude
You knocked this out of the park!! Thanks for the awesome content.
Tony Iommi is the master of riffs. Thank you for sharing the storie. In sane! Amazing story
I’ve been waiting for this for so long. It was worth it
you gotta stop eating imo. then you might be able to save up for one of these. but it won't be worth it.
OK, so hold on - a $20,000 Artist signature model that has been relic'd to supposedly look like the actual one played by the artist - but no two are the same? No shielding where he customized his with it? Things like that matter!
I don't see why they did it this way then, they only made 50, that's not that many and certain things are kind of essential, like that chipped away piece of wood by the insert, that is something that seems like it would really stick out.
Ron Just Ron, yes and...I suppose the value is in the collectibility in the rareness so if you have one of the 50 you have one of the 50 and that’s how it’s gonna go.
For 20 000$ pretty sure most people would be willing to try and mimic every single ding perfectly. Honestly just pure laziness.
I hope at some point the bubble bursts, like the Dutch tulip craze, and people decide that these reliced signature models are just silly.
Having said that, I purchase the Epiphone version of the Peter Frampton Les Paul last year. Because I'm stupid, too. No relic.
@@JohnnyArtPavlou Nothing wrong with buying a signature series IF it's got the stuff you want. I have a Lee Malia Les Paul, a Tommy Thayer Les Paul , a Paul Stanley Black Ibanez Iceman and now I just added the Lzzy Hale White Explorer - all Epiphones accept for the Iceman, to my collection. I bought them because I wanted them, who they were from didn't mean anything. Well, the Tommy Thayer silver Spaceman was the first one I bought and I only bought it because they only made 1,000 of them and I figured one day some KISS fan would pay me a lot of money for it lol. Turns out that it's a great Les Paul, all Gibson electronics, long neck tenon, grover tuners and the thing just rocks the house so instead of keeping it locked away for that big sale someday, lol it's my number 1 lol. I did buy an Epiphone Johnny A but it had to go back due to blemishes and I am considering sending the Lzzy Hale Explorer back due to a few blemishes on it. The Explorer and Iceman I only bought because of their color, the Iceman is black and I wanted a black iceman and the only one was his signature model all the others were natural.
Before I even watched it I clicked the like button 😅 thanks for this great Video and in generous for all your very informative videos you definitely need more subscribers. cheers dude and keep up the good work. Stay safe and healthy. Best greetings from Austria
I love the solo collaboration album he did back in the 00’s, is so good. It’s one of my favorite albums ever, every song is good.
As far as I knew, John (Ozzy) Osborne's father made the crosses for every member of the band.
Tony should bring you his own to document, once you've sold your stock of course ;)
Awesome review Austin thanks for demo nice playing love those pups,Cheers
What a fantastic insight/demo/review - Really enjoyable and superbly made video.. Thank you
So... they cost you $40,000 and your asking $37,000? Hmmmm. Seems like they already lost value that they never had. They do sound good though.
Vence McAdams it’s a Gibson custom shop it’s naturally overpriced (all custom shops are but Gibson is a good example)
John it shouldn’t really be like that for something so expensive and exclusive, you’d hope something that expensive would gain value
@@mubodude It's also of value to Tony/Black Sabbath collector's...not necessarily players.
As of 6-9-2020 their price has been lowered to $31,999. I hope Trogs gets a buyer.
@@pleromicpastry5445 How many did you snap up at that bargain basement price? HAHAHAHA!
Pickups sound really good. I especially like the cleans.wow!
Great video! Awesome job on documenting a piece of history.
I owned a 60's SG that now sells for about $5k. It was never 'worth' that but that's what it sells for. There's plenty of good guitars around that are as good or better for under $1k. $20k guitars are what you get when old, rich farts want the guitars they pined for as teenagers.
they should sell those pickups, they sound great
That's what I was thinking. Wouldn't mind picking up a set myself.
You can absolutely buy those by John Birch himself from the UK via reverb. A set is 130 bucks. It's hell of a deal if you got Something to put them into.
@@ithemba Yes, but good luck finding a set.
@@MrShadowofthewind what are you talking about? Just checked before I commented that, they are on sale on reverb right now, by a shop called John Birch UK
@@ithemba john Burch died in 2000. The ones you see listed are made by his old business partner.
Hey Austin. This played next in my TT feed and wasn’t even watching anything guitar related!!
428k views? Impressive.
I’ll add this to watch later.
Cheers
Love your reviews man, excellent work on every video thumbs up always
I would like to get this guitar, but it's WAY out of my price range, and i'm happy with my newest weapon in my arsenal, A PRS SE Custom 24.
Still a cool guitar.
I had a prs se custom 24 Floyd for a little while and absolutely hated it. I couldn't wait to sell it and get something else. I ended up putting that money towards an explorer and I couldn't be happier
Ultra light gauge strings were not as hard to find in the UK in the late 60s as you might think: Rotosound even made strings as light as .006!!!
They were known as “Cosmic Lights” and even Jimi Hendrix played those at one point in his career 😊
Great video! Love the history lesson! Rock on! 😎👍🏻
Those "special marks" on the back of the Iommi cross are called Hallmarks which are symbols used to identify the artist who made it. Typically used for items made from precious metals.
Surely the “special symbols” on the cross are a hallmark to show its silver?
For those people complaining about the price, These guitars are not made for the average player. These were made for people who are collectors and have serious cash. Hell some may not even play guitar but are huge fans. Someone is not going to buy one of these and play it on stage. Gibson knows the market these will cater to and those who do buy them, Will have no problem paying 20K for one. The average player like myself cannot justify the price.
Though i do agree that Gibson left out A LOT to consider this a true. 20k Replica.
The resale value will be pretty high tho. So I guess, stonks
Your comment makes no sense. You go on a whole tirade about how people shouldn't complain about the price, and then end with acknowledging why it isn't worth the price...
Thats the point it's a money grab , they will not be played other then by rich dudes
Gibson knew what they're doing lol. Collectors are going to buy these without thinking because it's a guitar their favorite guitarist played.
That comment you made about fingertips for case candy cracked me up! This is definitely an interesting guitar! When I first saw the fretboard, I thought you went a little crazy with the fretboard oil, never saw a lacquered rosewood fretboard before. I was also floored when you checked the dc resistance on those pickups, never seen single coils/p-90's that read that hot in my life! They sound great! I do have to say though, that super repetitive faux finish checking on one of them was pretty pathetic, I'd be quite disappointed in it if it were mine.
--- Hey Mate - UK here! - I understand the old-school boys like Iommi, to source 9 gauge and even skinnier, they had to order 'banjo' strings and break the sedts up. - Like a lot of things in our rock n roll guiutar world; easy to take for granted just buying your fave gauge strings all over the country.... BUt yeah - from wehat I have heard, they used to buy banjo strings, to get those skinnier buggers.
Bless you, Trog - I adore the channel, youve doner a great job over the years, Take it easy sonic brother!
plz do a Jimmy page dragon tele
Thanks for all man! :D
Both of them sound AMAZING! Wow!
A brummie myself and musician. My main guitar atm is a Gibson SG standard. Love SGs and that thing is next level. Cool vid, cheers!
Hell yeah! Troglodyte 4 life!
I think it’d be cool if along with this gibson made an SG that just has the pickups bridge and tuners like this one but not all the expensive relicing and case candy. Just an SG that’ll sound and play like this one but isn’t a custom shop replica.
New SUBBED ,new veiwer & Left handed , great review
Credit where credit is do. Apart from your usually superb investigative job. Your left handed playing was amazing. I tried it many times. You did very well.
"A town called Birmingham"!!!! Birmingham is the second largest city in the UK. Home of Sabbath, ELO, Moody Blues, Judas Priest and Duran Duran. metropolitan area has a population of 4.3 million.
Also, it's not pronounced like the city in Alabama
A town called New York City.
A town called New York City.
good point until you mentioned Duran lol
ps & Half of Zeppelin are Brummies
Cool guitar but not 20k cool. I'd go for the Zappa Roxy SG if I was shelling out big bucks for a replica
That's what I jam on, i don't like the whole cross inlay look. It looks cool but not for the style of music I play which is that hard blues style. Alvin Lee, Iommi, Zappa. I own a pair of the jaydee pickups as well, waiting to get them installed one day on a project guitar.
I'd buy a Zappa Roxy SG.
Those John Birch pickups are great added onto a Tele as well as for Gibsons. And they are not terribly expensive. I like the lots-of-polepieces setup. Since Kiesel/Carvin has discontinued their humbuckers with this setup, these are great for mandocellos, keefocasters, or other odd arrangements of strings.
Great video. For such a weird a primitive guitar i thought it sounded really good! Cool pickups.