Well... It needs to be on the t-shirt that Mr. DSLR uses in this video. Even though he said that quote in this very video, the dislike-button is already going rampant... 😂 Gotta love people! 😂
As a long time Panasonic user, I agree everything you said about the Panasonic, Sony and Canon cameras. But I think you missed the ball with Nikon. They have gone all out with the Z9, with 8K 60p, shutter angle, waveforms, internal Prores/Prores RAW and even a new internal N-RAW codec which seems very similar to Blackmagic's BRAW format. Granted its price is 5500$ and above the threshold you have set for this video, but I'am very excited for these features to trickle down to their cheaper more compact bodies. The S lenses are all breathing corrected, so Nikon seems to be heading in the right direction as far as video is concerned. It the system that i'am most excited about.
I agree the Z9 looks amazing, but he hasn't had his hands on it yet. Also, Nikon needs to add a bunch of features that Panasonic already has: timecode port, shutter angle, true 24 and 48fps, waveform. I'll also take built-in ND, vectorscope, XLR inputs and more.
@@robertfeliciano5723 Very true in Nikon needing more video focused features. I personally like the colors out of Nikons over the Sonys and Canons, as well as their lenses. I think Nikon is focusing and putting more effort into video with their mirrorless bodies compared to the DSLRs. I’ve preordered the Z9 as my photography camera, I am hoping that I can get good video footage for my needs. Caleb’s point is 💯. Nikon doesn’t have a cinema line to protect…they should add built-in ND, shutter angle…Hopefully they do in the Z9ii.
They need more of that in their less expensive cameras, Z6/Z7 ii can't even shoot log without a recorder. I hope they'll put more emphasis on video because otherwise Nikons are nice.
I’ll see you at the next Sony Potential Customer Meeting on January 1st then. An announcement about when the release of the GH6 will be made in March 2022.
@@ConstructionChannelLuxembourg On March 2022, they will make an announcement on when they will let us know the announcement for the shipping date will be.
Canon: "We make cinema cameras. Just buy one of those." Or I could just buy your competition's camera which doesn't cost $20,000 and isn't the size of a cinder block, and you can blow me.
Exactly! Get f'ed Canon. Not everyone's loaded with cash or does need high high end cameras (on which canon could also work some more and go forward, some of the competition is wrecking them in this departamant too)xD
@@gordongurley3982 With this attitudefrom them ill rent when i need high end. While Canon had their standoff with Nikon, Sony jumped over both of them.
Regarding the 30-minute recording limit: By European law, a camera that can record video for >30minutes is considered a professional video camera and therefore falls under different tax/importing rules.
Make 2 versions? They're big enough to do so. If they wanted to be nice, they could let the different firmwares be cross-platform so people could just mod it after the fact
Shot Panasonic for 6 years now. Love it. Upgraded from a G7 to a GH5 recently and you’re so correct. I hardly use autofocus because it isn’t very good. Haven’t tried Canon or Sony autofocus yet, but now I’m tempted.
Almost two years later, and you predicted the future - a bunch of these brands listened to you. Nikon: release video-beast Z8/9 Panasonic: added PDAF with the S5ii Sony: released the FX30 Fuji: loaded an APS-C with cinema specs in the XH2 Canon: removed 30-minute record limit from their cameras I will say, if you made this list today, Canon would be bumped much lower. Their cameras still overheat, they rob the non-cinema models of C-Log 2 dynamic range, no full hdmi, and obviously the 3rd-party lens issue.
I do agree that Blackmagic should adopt the micro body again. It was their best design really. I've asked them if they would ever do an update to the micro 4K but never got an answer. :/
Actually they got the best camera , just need a bit of work.The old Production camera 4k is with global shutter.If they keep that, but use the bmpcc 6k sensor and keep the ssd slot plus partner with small hd for the camera monitor and include dual iso from 4k and 6k cinema line, this will be top top top.Buttons, layot all is great.
The one thing that wasn't factored into this was price point. If all these were priced at a similar price point I would agree with the ranking a bit more, but with a price cap of $5000 there are vastly different cameras and feature sets at these price points. For example the Blackmagic Pocket 4k is offering a near untouchable image format at close to the lowest 5th of this price bracket, and I feel one is sacrificing the "niceties" to achieve that price point. If we also factor price into the equation then Blackmagic deserves a higher ranking given it also has an incredible user interface experience when compared to the likes of some of these other cameras that cost almost 3 times it's price. That means one could in theory have multiple cameras which in my opinion is a potentially a bigger deal then having autofocus for certain types of video/film shooting.
@@billyoung9538 I know, you mentioned the price cap, so this is if the price was extended, even just to 6K. If prices were a factor in this video, BMD would have a 12k camera for 6k$ which is is very good.
@@zacharyo_connor 12k is almost unusable at this point in time. Too much hard drive space and the files are extremely hard to edit so need to use proxy workflow. Camera size is huge, no autofocus, no full frame sensor, bad low light performance, cant use light weight gimbals etc. You get most resolution for lowest price but to make the camera work you need to buy a ton of expensive accessories.
Pocket 4k is a m4/3 sensor. It has a lot more limitaitons than only autofocus. Low light, slow motion, dof etc. I rather have a ff sensor than slightly easier menu system.
L Mount user and I think your ranking is pretty fair except Nikon. Way too harsh, especially as so many have said, with the arrival of the Z9. I’d have put them in C. But your video, your opinion!
@@dslrvideoshooter yeah, I think you're right, and Canon is far from awful but it can't be placed in the same league as Sony. It only really beats it on colour out the camera but Sony smashes Canon in the rest, as your thumbnail suggests 🤣. Still a great video, perfectly timed for Black Friday. I started out Canon, moved to Lumix G Series but stuck with Sigma glass, and it was a close call just now but I'm sticking with Lumix but moving up full frame to the S5. I picked it over the A7IV just on price, really and the S5 is £300 off right now. I pull focus manually and for interviews, the AF is good enough. I'm a hybrid shooter and now I don't have to worry about moving over to a new system, even if it's better, and smash thousands on the G master lenses, something I'm not prepared to do. It's better but not that much better.
I’d like to see that Sony apsc 10 bit camera at around $2000. It would significantly reduce the barrier of entry. They would need to develop some lens that are more affordable then their 16-55mm g. Maybe like at the $500-$1000 price point. I decided to go all in with the a7siii and fx3, but I’m still paying for it….love them though.
As a Nikon shooter, I thoroughly disagree with the ranking. I use my Z6ii to film weddings, and the colors are great. Also, it shoots good 10-bit 4:2:2, albeit externally as well as 12-bit RAW. I wish you would have waited on this video, especially with the Z9 coming out soon with its insane specs.
I own both a Panasonic and a Nikon and every time I pick up the Panasonic I remember I cannot rely on autofocus lol. It's almost non existent. Nikon's got a really impressive autofocus along with fantastic straight out of camera colours. Sorry if it's a "boring" brand to you lol, their Z line is simply amazing
It feels like every time I watch a video where a creator shoots in log or raw and then color grades their footage, I'm like...oh, it looks just like what my Nikon shoots.
I started with a D5300 waaay back. I liked Nikon cameras, but I think Caleb is referring more to their lack of innovation or significant breakthrough in the video space to make people pay attention. The only thing I saw Nikon do that other companies picked up on was raw over HDMI for the Atomos Ninia V. I’m glad they did that.
Right on, Caleb! If I were to add to the improvements Canon can make to their cameras for video, it would be to also increase their dynamic range. They have consistently limited their DSLRs and mirrorless cameras to 12 stops of dynamic range, even in their own RAW codec. If they were to perhaps maybe adjust their log curves or something in order to bring their dynamic range to about 14 or more stops, then I would be more inclined to lean towards Canon along with no overheating and record limits.
If Z Cam had a CST in Resolve it would go a long way. But there are other quirks in their cameras that I’d like to have addressed too, to call them tier 1. It’s a decently long list, but even as is they’re still have a long list of things they do well. For the money they are a really compelling option for anyone needing a narrative or commercial camera.
I am sure he wasn't aware about Z9 when he was making this video. otherwise he should have knew now Nikon is focusing on Video also. not expecting modular cinema camera body but they are not holding anything when its come to Z9.
The tech that is in the Z9 will filter down the product line. It’s price is outside the range of what Caleb is covering. I would encourage redoing this evaluation one year from now and see where things are then.
BMD has big form factor but it offers amazing 5 inches monitor with nice exposure tools no other camera offers ! I think it s quite unfair to blame BMD for the size.
Size isn't necessarily the issue. It is how that size is shaped and distributed. Love the screen quality and your right, 5 inch included monitor is great, but would be infinitely better if separate.
You are also forgetting that Caleb is shooting in a studio where nothing changes. Go rake these other cameras on the road and see how happy you will be without proper sound inputs, built in ND, proper post production workflow, no record limits, an actual menu screen that’s intuitive. Not sure why Caleb would even care about the form factor his cameras live on tripod. Bang for buck you cannot touch BMD. Yes. Battery sucks.....by a pocket full of them and a cheap cage and you’ll be all set.
It’s a good video but I largely disagree on your opinion towards blackmagic. I think the problem with these cameras are that they aren’t all arounder like Sony or canon mirror less, but if they match your needs, they are by far the best option on the market, for a lot of budgets. The fact that they have such a big impact on the market (the Komodo is a direct answer to that camera) means that it is a compelling option for a lot of people.
We all know the Gh6 for all of its improvements and crazy specs it may have, still won’t have PDAF. At this point it’s a philosophical issue with the company leadership and given it’s based in Japan, likely won’t see any improvements in that department for a while. X-H2 I think has potential to be a serious pseudo cine camera, the only issue is that they still do not have any good video AF lenses, so unless they announce them together, I don’t know how much AF improvements we’ll see. Perhaps with them letting Sigma and Tamron make some lenses now that will change.
Phew! Since I am terrible unsecure about my camera choices I was relieved to see Sony rank a "B". Could you please do a special video about the classic A6300 as the unsung hero of APS-C I'd be ever so grateful. :) (Seriously, a nice take on cameras and brands. Thank you.)
Great video! I agree 100%. Message to Canon, if they read it, stop protecting your video cameras. Most of content creators are hybrid shooters. I have Canon M50 and run 4 RUclips channels with that but when I decide to upgrade for 4k, I have no choice but to go for Sony. I am sure there is more people like me. We are not going to buy your video cameras, we will give our money to competition who listens what we need and want. I am currently saving for Sony a7 IV as I don't like 30 min restriction on R6 and overheating problems. Canon wake up!
I've never seen a perfect camera or a perfect videographer (hence the need to aquire more gear) - disclaimers out of the way, everyone has an opinion. The best camera is the one you know how to use and can get the results your after.
For the 99% you are absolutely right. Just with the Blackmagic close to last place i cant agree. You did not mention prices. Only because of the great image quality and the only brand with proper pricing, Blackmagic deserves at least one or two positions up. Raw, no overheating, great price,great image, good durabilty, top of the world menu, come on, they deserve more. I did critisize them too in my videos, but they did so much for the last 2 years, that Canon for the same developing will need a decade or two.
I agree with your list, except for Nikon. With the way they are going, I think they should be a C. Sure they're late to the mirrorless party but better late than never. And their autofocus has improved over the last firmware updates (especially the mark 2s)
I never ever had an issue with the form factor of the blackmagic pocket cameras or the URSA models. I love the form factor the amazing rig customization you need to build to make the camera a cinema beast. Blackmagic is S class for me. But, the camera is just the tool and it’s all subjective.
A Lumix S5 is around £1500 in the UK, with 20-60. Sometimes less, depending on trade in deals. That puts the S5 half to a third the price of the competition. Better autofocus would be handy for vloggers, but AF is definitely usable with appropriate settings (-1 speed, -3 sensitivity for most of my shooting). If Sony style AF makes the S5 cost the same as other brands, no thanks, the Lumix beats everyone for video. Sub 5k is too big a range from entry level. Interesting comparison even so.
I think whats make a good camera brand is that what they're offering for the price range, in terms of features, lens choice . etc (and i think Panasonic are really good at making budget friendly cam with cool features) 🙌. If they can improve their AF they'll be a tough competitor to other brands.
Good morning. I didn't watch thr video yet just came straight to the comments lol.. I used a few canons in the past, never used a Sony but I use a nikon Z6 for filming and for me it meets all my needs.
It's kinda funny that the exact two things you said Sony should do to get in your A ranking just happened with the recent release of their new entry level Aps-c cine line camera.
Man, you graded hard! I love the idea of leaving the A category for "perfect" cameras only. In that case, none of those companies should get an A until they have in-built wireless mics AND monitoring. This would replace a set of Rode wireless go mics (at least the receiver side) and something like airpods for wireless monitoring. That one improvement would remove SO much hassle and bulk from my kit - and I'm sure I'm not alone. Anyone who's stepped away from a camera on a tripod to have their earbuds ripped out unexpectedly, or pull the tripod down, upvote this comment! =) And if we're going EXTRA hard, those "A" cameras also have to have internal RAW recording and accept standard SSDs as media, like the Ninja V but built in.
Thank you for this awesome video, great job! One topic that is always neglected is SOUND! Man, if these cameras could have at least one XLR input with (optional) phantom power, plus 32 bit float recording, life would be perfect! No more bulky external sound recorders, less or no external microphone wiring and no more need to sync audio in post. And why 32 bit float? Because of the insane dynamic range, which will make it impossible to clip your audio or to introduce a lot of noise when amplifying very low sound (check out recorders like Zoom F6, Sound Devices Mixpre 3 ii or Tascam Portacapture X8).
Cameras have never been the most important factor in production quality. Your ranking should be... 1. Story 2. Audio Quality 3. Composition 4. Lighting 5. Lens 6,7,8,9. Other important things 10. Camera
That's great be he's talking about cameras specifically here. Dude has dozens of videos covering that other stuff. And BTW, cameras ARE important for production quality. You try making a video on a camera that overheats every 2 minutes or burns through a battery in 10 minutes. There is no video without a working camera, it's like hunting without a weapon.
From what I recall that 30 minute limit is a legal/tax thing, where if a camera films under it, it's a photo camera but longer and it's a video camera which adds some sort of hassle enough to warrant it. Rusty on the details, but that's why that exists.
Great video again, Caleb! I went back and forth with Sony A7Siii and Canon R5 but ended up buying R5. Eliminated the 2 mentioned problems (record limits and overheating) by buying Ninja V and will be upgrading to Ninja V+ now that they have the $999 promo. With original 24-70 lenses on both cameras and taking that Ninja V+ promo into account price difference is around $1,000 in Sonys favour. Sony has better low light performance but Canon+Ninja has 4K HQ, 8K, Prores + Prores Raw, big screen, SSD recording and as a big bonus high quality pro stills capability. A no-brainer for me.
I personally don't have autofocus issues with Fuji with 16-55 F2.8 lens, but yeah their other lenses, especially the older primes aren't good for video autofocus.
Great video, Caleb. I agree. You know what is funny? Canon EOS M with MagicLantern can record probably for days straight on h264, but may even 1080p raw without overheating. The only thing limiting time on that old camera is power and sd card. You can solve the power but I don't think you can do much about the SD Card other than get a 1TB.
@@dslrvideoshooter I don't blame you at all. This definitely wasn't a criticism. I was only curious. I think about it every time one of your videos pop up. Obviously when we started all those years ago we were all using DSLRs. Who new it would all change like it did.
Fair ranking. I love Panasonic and have shot with the GH5 for over four years now, but the autofocus really needs to be improved. If the GH6 doesn't drop by Q1 of 2022 with improved autofocus, I'm jumping ship lol
You should write camera brands for video, these are hybrid camera they have limitations, these camera brand like Nikon or Fuji dedicated for photography and videos came second.
I'm the rare Fuji shooter, and couldn't agree with you more about lenses. Some lenses work and some suck. The ones that do work are outstanding. The ones that don't are the ones I want to use most. Still don't know why a 50mm at f4.0 to 11 can't clutch a subject in autofocus. It's frustrating.
I’ve been a Lumix shooter for a while now, and I don’t know if I see myself switching to anything else, despite the subpar autofocus (I prefer to manual focus anyway).
I too love Lumix. AF would be a thicc cherry on top.
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It’s very occasional for me to dislike a video on RUclips, and it looks like it won’t matter for a long time since RUclips’s going to hide dislikes soon. Anyways ! The reason why I did here is I feel like you lacked objectivity and fairness on all those brands. Even the ones that I’m not a huge fan of. You are comparing camera brands for videos but for most of them, you’re comparing stills cameras that also do videos (canon, Panasonic, Nikon, Fuji…). That works for people who want to buy cameras that do both, but that’s not the whole picture. For instance, when you say that blackmahic should go boxed cameras , they already did. It’s just not what the BMPCC is. Panasonic to make a camera that is more video targeted ? They have the B1h that does exactly that ! Canon having trouble with recording limits ? How about the C100 or the C70? I understand what you did, meaning you went for DSLR shaped cameras (that being said the ZCam is not) but again that’s not the whole picture and i think that comparing camera brands for video based on cameras that are designed as an extra feature is not ideal I hope you won’t get my comment wrong and I usually like your content A LOT but heh I felt like my input would be useful there
I just love how this is more a list for shooting RUclips videos. You walk into a professional Hollywood set using or requesting autofocus and you'll pretty much get kicked out 😂
The problem with Canon's cine cameras is that they don't have a compelling feature set for the price. $2700 for 1080p/60 8-bit 420 with an 8MP super35 sensor is laughable. (C100 mark II) A Sony a6400 has better video options for 1/3rd of the price.
Great points, agree completely and I use Panasonic. Personally though I would've put BMD higher as I'm not too bothered about a cinema camera having AF as it's a different workflow + THE PRICE ALONE lmao great video though boss!
RED/ Canon user here. The 30 minute record limit and overheating are completely solved with an Atomos Ninja V+. My BIGGEST gripe with Canon at this point is a lack of Clog2. This would almost stop me from purchasing another cinema camera.
Why the hell should i be forced to buy a 600$ piece of gear just in order to make my 4000$ camera be able to work as advertised??? That’s completely nuts..... And as someone who shoots for a living ime having to “rely” on other gear is a pain in the ass.... what if i cant travel with the monitor, or it breaks, or the hdmi cable stops working. Now the camera is bricked and i cant film that wedding or whatever. Nah.
@@baqcasanke All valid concerns, and why I always carry backups of everything as prepared pros should take into consideration. Backup cameras, monitors, cables, all to CYA in the event of disaster which will happen to everyone from time to time.
Well there are somethings I agree and some I don’t. And all depends on what are you evaluating / comparing. For example autofocus goes to Sony and canon. But record options go to z cam ( has raw, prores and other modes), open gate etc.. BM has a great workflow, Plus you are comparing cinema camera vs mirror less. So it’s not that fair
I agree but id bump Blackmagic up to C. Image quality/price ratio is OFF THE CHARTS. Worfklow and menu system/ease of use also off the charts. Quality control, and build quality is another story. Id leave Z Cam alone in D i own one too, barely D to make it interesting, but very good camera. BM is better though. Form factor on the blackmagics is something we all complain about really, been asking for a cube(micro reboot?) for 2 years and they keep making fat cameras lol. That is their problem as a company to me, they dont listen much. But hey, Its their company not mine!
Love the video and agree with a lot of the points you made. IMO Canon and Sony (even with their respective flaws) are a fair amount ahead of the rest of the brands right now, primarily because of AF and lens ecosystems. Closed lens ecosystems are not helping any of the brands, and Sony seems to be the only company who realizes that having an open ecosystem continually boosts sales of your cameras. Technically Canon is a closed ecosystem too but I give them a pass since you have the option of adapting EF glass, and that opens your options up quite a bit. Panasonic does seem right on the cusp of competing with Sony/Canon but in addition to their AF woes, the L-Mount is pretty limited right now and that is a big turnoff for new buyers. Even their nifty 50 retails for ~$500 USD when other brands comparable lenses are hundreds less. Although Sigma is already doing L-Mount lenses, I think Panasonic needs to lean on the third parties even more and get some budget options out there for prospective buyers of their FF bodies.
I think Sony is head and shoulders above the competition for one reason... They publish parts lists and schematics for their older cameras. You can repair their older cameras after they've gone out of their service life if you REALLY want to and that just adds so much value to a purchase. Im not aware of any other company doing this.
I think the price factor should have been addressed as well because it's a huge impact not just on buying but on making these cameras. That being said, it's a neat and smart video as always.
“Don’t get offended unless you place all of your security in what other people think about your camera”. THIS NEEDS TO BE ON A T-SHIRT 😂😂😂
Ha! Thanks Joseph!
Well... It needs to be on the t-shirt that Mr. DSLR uses in this video. Even though he said that quote in this very video, the dislike-button is already going rampant... 😂
Gotta love people! 😂
@@finnman89 Oh wow, yea. A lot of people all mad about this video.
I am not a videographer but I loved how thoughtful you were in ranking these brands, can't agree with you more. Great video man!
Thank you so much for the kind words and watching!
oh man some feelings are about to get hurt from just reading the title lol
As a long time Panasonic user, I agree everything you said about the Panasonic, Sony and Canon cameras. But I think you missed the ball with Nikon. They have gone all out with the Z9, with 8K 60p, shutter angle, waveforms, internal Prores/Prores RAW and even a new internal N-RAW codec which seems very similar to Blackmagic's BRAW format. Granted its price is 5500$ and above the threshold you have set for this video, but I'am very excited for these features to trickle down to their cheaper more compact bodies. The S lenses are all breathing corrected, so Nikon seems to be heading in the right direction as far as video is concerned. It the system that i'am most excited about.
I agree the Z9 looks amazing, but he hasn't had his hands on it yet.
Also, Nikon needs to add a bunch of features that Panasonic already has: timecode port, shutter angle, true 24 and 48fps, waveform.
I'll also take built-in ND, vectorscope, XLR inputs and more.
@@robertfeliciano5723 for that they will need to release another version of Z9 which need to be mainly focused on video.
@@robertfeliciano5723 Very true in Nikon needing more video focused features. I personally like the colors out of Nikons over the Sonys and Canons, as well as their lenses. I think Nikon is focusing and putting more effort into video with their mirrorless bodies compared to the DSLRs. I’ve preordered the Z9 as my photography camera, I am hoping that I can get good video footage for my needs. Caleb’s point is 💯. Nikon doesn’t have a cinema line to protect…they should add built-in ND, shutter angle…Hopefully they do in the Z9ii.
All great points! Hopefully that mindset will work its way throughout their camera lines.
They need more of that in their less expensive cameras, Z6/Z7 ii can't even shoot log without a recorder. I hope they'll put more emphasis on video because otherwise Nikons are nice.
Nikon Z9 is supposed to be a really good video camera. It can shoot raw and ProRes internally!
I'm Panasonic shooter but I completely agree with this. Really hoping the GH6 will give us decent autofocus or I'll give up and switch to Sony
Apprently the GH5ii fixed much of the autofocus issues from the first one, but haven't had the chance to test it myself.
I’ll see you at the next Sony Potential Customer Meeting on January 1st then. An announcement about when the release of the GH6 will be made in March 2022.
I'm in the same boat, the GH6 will determine whether I switch to Sony's full frame S-range in the next few years.
@@ConstructionChannelLuxembourg On March 2022, they will make an announcement on when they will let us know the announcement for the shipping date will be.
I love panasonic, no sony for me.
I like how Canon actually did what Caleb said in this video with the R5C
Canon: "We make cinema cameras. Just buy one of those."
Or I could just buy your competition's camera which doesn't cost $20,000 and isn't the size of a cinder block, and you can blow me.
looooool fair enough...
Or buy one of their cheaper, smaller Cine cams. See?
Exactly! Get f'ed Canon. Not everyone's loaded with cash or does need high high end cameras (on which canon could also work some more and go forward, some of the competition is wrecking them in this departamant too)xD
@@gordongurley3982 With this attitudefrom them ill rent when i need high end. While Canon had their standoff with Nikon, Sony jumped over both of them.
you missed the most important thing with Sony for them to become A in an instant, giving us internal raw recording like Canon. That's it, game over!
Regarding the 30-minute recording limit: By European law, a camera that can record video for >30minutes is considered a professional video camera and therefore falls under different tax/importing rules.
Make 2 versions? They're big enough to do so.
If they wanted to be nice, they could let the different firmwares be cross-platform so people could just mod it after the fact
that’s a stupid law lmao
@@vchambliss24 - The EU is the new Soviet.
Shot Panasonic for 6 years now. Love it. Upgraded from a G7 to a GH5 recently and you’re so correct. I hardly use autofocus because it isn’t very good. Haven’t tried Canon or Sony autofocus yet, but now I’m tempted.
Almost two years later, and you predicted the future - a bunch of these brands listened to you.
Nikon: release video-beast Z8/9
Panasonic: added PDAF with the S5ii
Sony: released the FX30
Fuji: loaded an APS-C with cinema specs in the XH2
Canon: removed 30-minute record limit from their cameras
I will say, if you made this list today, Canon would be bumped much lower. Their cameras still overheat, they rob the non-cinema models of C-Log 2 dynamic range, no full hdmi, and obviously the 3rd-party lens issue.
I do agree that Blackmagic should adopt the micro body again. It was their best design really. I've asked them if they would ever do an update to the micro 4K but never got an answer. :/
Actually they got the best camera , just need a bit of work.The old Production camera 4k is with global shutter.If they keep that, but use the bmpcc 6k sensor and keep the ssd slot plus partner with small hd for the camera monitor and include dual iso from 4k and 6k cinema line, this will be top top top.Buttons, layot all is great.
I appreciate the courage it took to make this video 😁
Ha! Thanks Tom :-)
The one thing that wasn't factored into this was price point. If all these were priced at a similar price point I would agree with the ranking a bit more, but with a price cap of $5000 there are vastly different cameras and feature sets at these price points. For example the Blackmagic Pocket 4k is offering a near untouchable image format at close to the lowest 5th of this price bracket, and I feel one is sacrificing the "niceties" to achieve that price point. If we also factor price into the equation then Blackmagic deserves a higher ranking given it also has an incredible user interface experience when compared to the likes of some of these other cameras that cost almost 3 times it's price. That means one could in theory have multiple cameras which in my opinion is a potentially a bigger deal then having autofocus for certain types of video/film shooting.
With the new lowered price, BMD is selling a 12k camera for 6000$ which (if I’m not mistaken) blows every other brand’s prices out of the water.
@@zacharyo_connor The problem with that argument is it falls outside the $5000 price range established in this video.
@@billyoung9538 I know, you mentioned the price cap, so this is if the price was extended, even just to 6K. If prices were a factor in this video, BMD would have a 12k camera for 6k$ which is is very good.
@@zacharyo_connor 12k is almost unusable at this point in time. Too much hard drive space and the files are extremely hard to edit so need to use proxy workflow. Camera size is huge, no autofocus, no full frame sensor, bad low light performance, cant use light weight gimbals etc. You get most resolution for lowest price but to make the camera work you need to buy a ton of expensive accessories.
Pocket 4k is a m4/3 sensor. It has a lot more limitaitons than only autofocus. Low light, slow motion, dof etc. I rather have a ff sensor than slightly easier menu system.
L Mount user and I think your ranking is pretty fair except Nikon. Way too harsh, especially as so many have said, with the arrival of the Z9. I’d have put them in C. But your video, your opinion!
Bring all that love on down the price list and I'm in!
Surely Canon is a C based on your own judgement? How is Canon two places better than BMD? Crazy stuff, Caleb. Especially for a BMPC fan like yourself.
That is fair. Maybe more of a C. That said, autofocus and image are incredible and they make amazing camera bodies.
@@dslrvideoshooter yeah, I think you're right, and Canon is far from awful but it can't be placed in the same league as Sony. It only really beats it on colour out the camera but Sony smashes Canon in the rest, as your thumbnail suggests 🤣. Still a great video, perfectly timed for Black Friday. I started out Canon, moved to Lumix G Series but stuck with Sigma glass, and it was a close call just now but I'm sticking with Lumix but moving up full frame to the S5. I picked it over the A7IV just on price, really and the S5 is £300 off right now. I pull focus manually and for interviews, the AF is good enough. I'm a hybrid shooter and now I don't have to worry about moving over to a new system, even if it's better, and smash thousands on the G master lenses, something I'm not prepared to do. It's better but not that much better.
@@framedman specs aren’t the same as actually using the camera, where Sony and BMD fall down
I’d like to see that Sony apsc 10 bit camera at around $2000. It would significantly reduce the barrier of entry. They would need to develop some lens that are more affordable then their 16-55mm g. Maybe like at the $500-$1000 price point. I decided to go all in with the a7siii and fx3, but I’m still paying for it….love them though.
Yes! A 4K 10-bit S35 Sony camera with those Sigma baby primes would be killer!
Fuji xt4 with 16-55 f2.8 is a stunning combo.
The fx30 just came out but its not any smaller :(
I wish we had an a6300 size body with 10bit 422 internal 4k60. That would
Be a dream for me
As a Nikon shooter, I thoroughly disagree with the ranking. I use my Z6ii to film weddings, and the colors are great. Also, it shoots good 10-bit 4:2:2, albeit externally as well as 12-bit RAW. I wish you would have waited on this video, especially with the Z9 coming out soon with its insane specs.
He clearly never used a Nikon camera, or at least not recently.
You're in the top BEST Camera Channel from RUclips! #1
Aw thanks Ariel!
I own both a Panasonic and a Nikon and every time I pick up the Panasonic I remember I cannot rely on autofocus lol. It's almost non existent. Nikon's got a really impressive autofocus along with fantastic straight out of camera colours. Sorry if it's a "boring" brand to you lol, their Z line is simply amazing
It feels like every time I watch a video where a creator shoots in log or raw and then color grades their footage, I'm like...oh, it looks just like what my Nikon shoots.
I started with a D5300 waaay back. I liked Nikon cameras, but I think Caleb is referring more to their lack of innovation or significant breakthrough in the video space to make people pay attention. The only thing I saw Nikon do that other companies picked up on was raw over HDMI for the Atomos Ninia V. I’m glad they did that.
@@DefiniteFiction they may be a bit late to the “insane specs no one actually needs” party but the Z9 is truly an innovating camera
Right on, Caleb! If I were to add to the improvements Canon can make to their cameras for video, it would be to also increase their dynamic range. They have consistently limited their DSLRs and mirrorless cameras to 12 stops of dynamic range, even in their own RAW codec. If they were to perhaps maybe adjust their log curves or something in order to bring their dynamic range to about 14 or more stops, then I would be more inclined to lean towards Canon along with no overheating and record limits.
That Nikon ranking was a difficult pill to swallow. Their autofocus still needs a lot of work… but I still love the files my z6 produce!
Crazy how Sony did exactly what you said on this video and released a 10 bit cropped sensor camera (a6700) and a smaller version of the FX3 (FX30)
If Z Cam had a CST in Resolve it would go a long way. But there are other quirks in their cameras that I’d like to have addressed too, to call them tier 1. It’s a decently long list, but even as is they’re still have a long list of things they do well.
For the money they are a really compelling option for anyone needing a narrative or commercial camera.
Nikon Z9 is pretty interesting!
I am sure he wasn't aware about Z9 when he was making this video. otherwise he should have knew now Nikon is focusing on Video also. not expecting modular cinema camera body but they are not holding anything when its come to Z9.
The tech that is in the Z9 will filter down the product line. It’s price is outside the range of what Caleb is covering. I would encourage redoing this evaluation one year from now and see where things are then.
@@DeanAllman He ignored the Nikon S lenses which have minimal breathing & 50fmm f1.2 has virtually zero breathing.
BMD has big form factor but it offers amazing 5 inches monitor with nice exposure tools no other camera offers !
I think it s quite unfair to blame BMD for the size.
Size isn't necessarily the issue. It is how that size is shaped and distributed. Love the screen quality and your right, 5 inch included monitor is great, but would be infinitely better if separate.
You are also forgetting that Caleb is shooting in a studio where nothing changes. Go rake these other cameras on the road and see how happy you will be without proper sound inputs, built in ND, proper post production workflow, no record limits, an actual menu screen that’s intuitive. Not sure why Caleb would even care about the form factor his cameras live on tripod. Bang for buck you cannot touch BMD. Yes. Battery sucks.....by a pocket full of them and a cheap cage and you’ll be all set.
That uncalibrated big as screen ? Yeah very useless tbh. The menu system is however, amazing !
@@bluestv8161 he's using them in a studio so he has AC power.
Notice how he didn't mention RED or other cinema cameras.
It’s a good video but I largely disagree on your opinion towards blackmagic. I think the problem with these cameras are that they aren’t all arounder like Sony or canon mirror less, but if they match your needs, they are by far the best option on the market, for a lot of budgets. The fact that they have such a big impact on the market (the Komodo is a direct answer to that camera) means that it is a compelling option for a lot of people.
You know Caleb puts effort into his vids when he's literally lightning his computer
Hoping that the X-H2 is the X-C1 you mentioned! Agreed on Panasonic. I want to be all in on them but I just can’t. Fingers crossed on the GH6!
We all know the Gh6 for all of its improvements and crazy specs it may have, still won’t have PDAF. At this point it’s a philosophical issue with the company leadership and given it’s based in Japan, likely won’t see any improvements in that department for a while.
X-H2 I think has potential to be a serious pseudo cine camera, the only issue is that they still do not have any good video AF lenses, so unless they announce them together, I don’t know how much AF improvements we’ll see. Perhaps with them letting Sigma and Tamron make some lenses now that will change.
Watching this while consoling my Sigma FP saying "no, no, he doesn't mean it. you're ace in my book". Excellent stuff as always!
Phew! Since I am terrible unsecure about my camera choices I was relieved to see Sony rank a "B". Could you please do a special video about the classic A6300 as the unsung hero of APS-C I'd be ever so grateful. :)
(Seriously, a nice take on cameras and brands. Thank you.)
Ha! Glad I could back you up!
Great video! I agree 100%. Message to Canon, if they read it, stop protecting your video cameras. Most of content creators are hybrid shooters. I have Canon M50 and run 4 RUclips channels with that but when I decide to upgrade for 4k, I have no choice but to go for Sony. I am sure there is more people like me. We are not going to buy your video cameras, we will give our money to competition who listens what we need and want. I am currently saving for Sony a7 IV as I don't like 30 min restriction on R6 and overheating problems. Canon wake up!
I've never seen a perfect camera or a perfect videographer (hence the need to aquire more gear) - disclaimers out of the way, everyone has an opinion. The best camera is the one you know how to use and can get the results your after.
Let's just send this video to all of these companies cause if they make all the changes you mention, I think the world would be a better place.
For the 99% you are absolutely right. Just with the Blackmagic close to last place i cant agree. You did not mention prices. Only because of the great image quality and the only brand with proper pricing, Blackmagic deserves at least one or two positions up. Raw, no overheating, great price,great image, good durabilty, top of the world menu, come on, they deserve more. I did critisize them too in my videos, but they did so much for the last 2 years, that Canon for the same developing will need a decade or two.
What about nikons Z9?
I agree with your list, except for Nikon. With the way they are going, I think they should be a C. Sure they're late to the mirrorless party but better late than never. And their autofocus has improved over the last firmware updates (especially the mark 2s)
I never ever had an issue with the form factor of the blackmagic pocket cameras or the URSA models. I love the form factor the amazing rig customization you need to build to make the camera a cinema beast. Blackmagic is S class for me. But, the camera is just the tool and it’s all subjective.
A Lumix S5 is around £1500 in the UK, with 20-60. Sometimes less, depending on trade in deals. That puts the S5 half to a third the price of the competition. Better autofocus would be handy for vloggers, but AF is definitely usable with appropriate settings (-1 speed, -3 sensitivity for most of my shooting). If Sony style AF makes the S5 cost the same as other brands, no thanks, the Lumix beats everyone for video. Sub 5k is too big a range from entry level. Interesting comparison even so.
I just bought the Pentax K3, I am very happy. (For Stills)
Excuse me?! If you are not using the same gear I’m using you’re using the wrong gear. Excellent vid.
I think whats make a good camera brand is that what they're offering for the price range, in terms of features, lens choice . etc (and i think Panasonic are really good at making budget friendly cam with cool features) 🙌. If they can improve their AF they'll be a tough competitor to other brands.
I love how you predicted both the a6700 and the fx30
Good morning. I didn't watch thr video yet just came straight to the comments lol.. I used a few canons in the past, never used a Sony but I use a nikon Z6 for filming and for me it meets all my needs.
It's kinda funny that the exact two things you said Sony should do to get in your A ranking just happened with the recent release of their new entry level Aps-c cine line camera.
Man, you graded hard! I love the idea of leaving the A category for "perfect" cameras only. In that case, none of those companies should get an A until they have in-built wireless mics AND monitoring. This would replace a set of Rode wireless go mics (at least the receiver side) and something like airpods for wireless monitoring. That one improvement would remove SO much hassle and bulk from my kit - and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Anyone who's stepped away from a camera on a tripod to have their earbuds ripped out unexpectedly, or pull the tripod down, upvote this comment! =)
And if we're going EXTRA hard, those "A" cameras also have to have internal RAW recording and accept standard SSDs as media, like the Ninja V but built in.
Thank you for this awesome video, great job!
One topic that is always neglected is SOUND! Man, if these cameras could have at least one XLR input with (optional) phantom power, plus 32 bit float recording, life would be perfect! No more bulky external sound recorders, less or no external microphone wiring and no more need to sync audio in post. And why 32 bit float? Because of the insane dynamic range, which will make it impossible to clip your audio or to introduce a lot of noise when amplifying very low sound (check out recorders like Zoom F6, Sound Devices Mixpre 3 ii or Tascam Portacapture X8).
You are a the gold standard of these videos, sir!
Cameras have never been the most important factor in production quality. Your ranking should be...
1. Story
2. Audio Quality
3. Composition
4. Lighting
5. Lens
6,7,8,9. Other important things
10. Camera
That's great be he's talking about cameras specifically here. Dude has dozens of videos covering that other stuff. And BTW, cameras ARE important for production quality. You try making a video on a camera that overheats every 2 minutes or burns through a battery in 10 minutes. There is no video without a working camera, it's like hunting without a weapon.
From what I recall that 30 minute limit is a legal/tax thing, where if a camera films under it, it's a photo camera but longer and it's a video camera which adds some sort of hassle enough to warrant it. Rusty on the details, but that's why that exists.
Thank goodness my self-worth was not damaged by this video! :) Well done, Caleb. Great observations - totally agree.
Thank you Carl! Hope you are well friend :-)
Great honest review of these camera bodies. I own multiple cameras by one of the brands you reviewed and have exactly the same comments. Thank you.
Great video again, Caleb! I went back and forth with Sony A7Siii and Canon R5 but ended up buying R5. Eliminated the 2 mentioned problems (record limits and overheating) by buying Ninja V and will be upgrading to Ninja V+ now that they have the $999 promo. With original 24-70 lenses on both cameras and taking that Ninja V+ promo into account price difference is around $1,000 in Sonys favour. Sony has better low light performance but Canon+Ninja has 4K HQ, 8K, Prores + Prores Raw, big screen, SSD recording and as a big bonus high quality pro stills capability. A no-brainer for me.
I personally don't have autofocus issues with Fuji with 16-55 F2.8 lens, but yeah their other lenses, especially the older primes aren't good for video autofocus.
Oh yes! I would love an a7000 or the next sony apsc with 10-bit.
I would love a cinema camera from Fuji
I am looking forward to X-H2
Great video, Caleb. I agree. You know what is funny? Canon EOS M with MagicLantern can record probably for days straight on h264, but may even 1080p raw without overheating. The only thing limiting time on that old camera is power and sd card. You can solve the power but I don't think you can do much about the SD Card other than get a 1TB.
I agree with all of this! Sony surprised me big time with the A74
Nikon "I think they're just floating along with life." LOL
Sony just needs to add Object tracking to the FX6 to go to S-Tier imo
🌞 Many Thanks, Caleb, and well wishes to you and your family! Excellent content, as always!
Thank you so much SA!
@@dslrvideoshooter Very Welcome, bro! :)
Ever thought about changing the channel name or do you think it'll hurt your branding?
How long has it been since we've used DSLRs?
I'm too lazy and scared to change it at this point. By the time I'm 70 maybe the cool kids will go back to vintage DSLRs ;-)
@@dslrvideoshooter I don't blame you at all. This definitely wasn't a criticism. I was only curious. I think about it every time one of your videos pop up. Obviously when we started all those years ago we were all using DSLRs. Who new it would all change like it did.
Fair ranking. I love Panasonic and have shot with the GH5 for over four years now, but the autofocus really needs to be improved. If the GH6 doesn't drop by Q1 of 2022 with improved autofocus, I'm jumping ship lol
Very accurate ranking. I use Panasonic and never use autofocus. I guess I get why it matters to some people though.
You should write camera brands for video, these are hybrid camera they have limitations, these camera brand like Nikon or Fuji dedicated for photography and videos came second.
I love that he pointed to a fantastic idea. BMD should buy sigma or Z cam. Dude I love your savyness. Great work yet again.
I'm the rare Fuji shooter, and couldn't agree with you more about lenses. Some lenses work and some suck. The ones that do work are outstanding. The ones that don't are the ones I want to use most. Still don't know why a 50mm at f4.0 to 11 can't clutch a subject in autofocus. It's frustrating.
it finally happened, Lumix got phase detection with the S5II and imo opinion it´s crushing the competition now in every aspect
Fuji is what i chose to go with, never look back ever since
why? I love Fuji’s colour science and tactile dials over any touch screen menu tho.
Shadows in your background have different direction. I can’t unsee it now.
Shhhhh...
I was about to make a snarky comment but I then I remembered that you were talking about $5000 or under cameras, so whoops my bad!
I’ve been a Lumix shooter for a while now, and I don’t know if I see myself switching to anything else, despite the subpar autofocus (I prefer to manual focus anyway).
I too love Lumix. AF would be a thicc cherry on top.
It’s very occasional for me to dislike a video on RUclips, and it looks like it won’t matter for a long time since RUclips’s going to hide dislikes soon.
Anyways ! The reason why I did here is I feel like you lacked objectivity and fairness on all those brands. Even the ones that I’m not a huge fan of. You are comparing camera brands for videos but for most of them, you’re comparing stills cameras that also do videos (canon, Panasonic, Nikon, Fuji…). That works for people who want to buy cameras that do both, but that’s not the whole picture. For instance, when you say that blackmahic should go boxed cameras , they already did. It’s just not what the BMPCC is. Panasonic to make a camera that is more video targeted ? They have the B1h that does exactly that ! Canon having trouble with recording limits ? How about the C100 or the C70?
I understand what you did, meaning you went for DSLR shaped cameras (that being said the ZCam is not) but again that’s not the whole picture and i think that comparing camera brands for video based on cameras that are designed as an extra feature is not ideal
I hope you won’t get my comment wrong and I usually like your content A LOT but heh I felt like my input would be useful there
I appreciate your insight and feedback!
I just love how this is more a list for shooting RUclips videos. You walk into a professional Hollywood set using or requesting autofocus and you'll pretty much get kicked out 😂
The problem with Canon's cine cameras is that they don't have a compelling feature set for the price. $2700 for 1080p/60 8-bit 420 with an 8MP super35 sensor is laughable. (C100 mark II) A Sony a6400 has better video options for 1/3rd of the price.
The thumbnail shows a Canon with a down arrow and a Sony with an up arrow, with the title "BEST and WORST", let me consider Canon the worst one...
Clickbait, and it works!
Came for the tier list, stayed for the soothing voice
I’m definitely happy with my Sony choice. I don’t know enough about video cameras to complain about anything 😊
Great points, agree completely and I use Panasonic. Personally though I would've put BMD higher as I'm not too bothered about a cinema camera having AF as it's a different workflow + THE PRICE ALONE lmao great video though boss!
1:06 Pike Drop!
Oooooo I am excited for this!!! :D
So if Canon gave the C70 a full frame sensor and dropped the price to $4999, then Canon would be a-tier right? They could call it the EOS C7!
RED/ Canon user here. The 30 minute record limit and overheating are completely solved with an Atomos Ninja V+. My BIGGEST gripe with Canon at this point is a lack of Clog2. This would almost stop me from purchasing another cinema camera.
Why the hell should i be forced to buy a 600$ piece of gear just in order to make my 4000$ camera be able to work as advertised???
That’s completely nuts.....
And as someone who shoots for a living ime having to “rely” on other gear is a pain in the ass.... what if i cant travel with the monitor, or it breaks, or the hdmi cable stops working. Now the camera is bricked and i cant film that wedding or whatever. Nah.
@@baqcasanke All valid concerns, and why I always carry backups of everything as prepared pros should take into consideration. Backup cameras, monitors, cables, all to CYA in the event of disaster which will happen to everyone from time to time.
Fuji also has recording limits. Drives me crazy. Bought a Ninja V just to eliminate some of the issues.
A zcam blackmagic collab would be epic.
Well there are somethings I agree and some I don’t. And all depends on what are you evaluating / comparing. For example autofocus goes to Sony and canon. But record options go to z cam ( has raw, prores and other modes), open gate etc.. BM has a great workflow, Plus you are comparing cinema camera vs mirror less. So it’s not that fair
R5 is my daily driver, favorite camera I've ever owned. My journey: T3i > 60D > 5D3 > A7RII > A7RIII > A7III > EOSR > R5
Also, some some affordable RF glass options would be nice!!
Yes!
Title should be "Camera Brands Tier List" lol :))
Tuesday just became awesome
I’m surprised Built in ND is not on the list of features
I agree but id bump Blackmagic up to C. Image quality/price ratio is OFF THE CHARTS. Worfklow and menu system/ease of use also off the charts. Quality control, and build quality is another story. Id leave Z Cam alone in D i own one too, barely D to make it interesting, but very good camera. BM is better though. Form factor on the blackmagics is something we all complain about really, been asking for a cube(micro reboot?) for 2 years and they keep making fat cameras lol. That is their problem as a company to me, they dont listen much. But hey, Its their company not mine!
also when you dont have money for adobe to edit which is required for video, s-tier for accesssability.
I can't rank every camera brand but i just want to say that i only use Panasonic cameras with sigma lenses forever and it works great for me
Love the video and agree with a lot of the points you made. IMO Canon and Sony (even with their respective flaws) are a fair amount ahead of the rest of the brands right now, primarily because of AF and lens ecosystems. Closed lens ecosystems are not helping any of the brands, and Sony seems to be the only company who realizes that having an open ecosystem continually boosts sales of your cameras. Technically Canon is a closed ecosystem too but I give them a pass since you have the option of adapting EF glass, and that opens your options up quite a bit.
Panasonic does seem right on the cusp of competing with Sony/Canon but in addition to their AF woes, the L-Mount is pretty limited right now and that is a big turnoff for new buyers. Even their nifty 50 retails for ~$500 USD when other brands comparable lenses are hundreds less. Although Sigma is already doing L-Mount lenses, I think Panasonic needs to lean on the third parties even more and get some budget options out there for prospective buyers of their FF bodies.
This may just be entertainment for some, but for people new to the camera scene like me, this kind of info is incredibly useful!
I shoot with black magic and some days I regret it, some days I love it. If they would give me auto focus, it would make my life so much easier
I think Sony is head and shoulders above the competition for one reason... They publish parts lists and schematics for their older cameras. You can repair their older cameras after they've gone out of their service life if you REALLY want to and that just adds so much value to a purchase.
Im not aware of any other company doing this.
I think the price factor should have been addressed as well because it's a huge impact not just on buying but on making these cameras. That being said, it's a neat and smart video as always.
I agree. Price and how filled out each line of cameras would have made this video better for sure.
The first thing Fuji needs to do is to enable AF tracking in video, also remove 30 min record limit