Hi TM44. Nice series of videos! I am a recently retired sheet metal worker and your videos make me feel nostalgic for the old days! I turned out of my apprenticeship in 1984!! I spent a good part of my time in the trade as a layout man in sheet metal shops, and sad to say, not many people are doing it the old way anymore. I have laid out patterns for fittings so small they would fit in my coat pocket and fittings so large I could park my pickup truck in it! Those were the happiest days of my working life! The last 10 years or so not so much. If I had a dollar for every hour I spent in front of a hand brake braking up duct as you show, I could have paid cash to have my hips replaced!!! ( hahaha!!!) Anyway thanks for reminding me of my "glory" days in the trade! I still work a little but I keep things on the small side because I tend to get carried away! In fact looking at your shop reminds me of the shop I started in. Plus, and please don't take this the wrong way, You kind of look like me to boot!! HAHAHAHA!!!! (God help us both!!!!!) Thanks again, Bill
Dang William, I didn't know there'd be TWO of us this ugly....LOL. But that's good to know anyway. I got into the field in the mid 70's working for a couple little shops out here in the country. The first guy I worked with had an 1800's WOODEN brake. The only thing metal was the nose and bending bars, counterweight and handle. It operated from only the right side so the nose wasn't able to be set down one side at a time. BUT it DID eliminate walking back and forth to set the left handle. It sure strained your eyes to see your marks 8 feet away though. LOL. Actually it was horrible, it had the right side wooden legs partially rotted, so it sat unlevel left and right, front and back as a result. Every movement was filled for loud wooden creaks like a casket opening in a '60's horror movie. LOL. But that was the first guy I worked for. The second guy let me stay in his shop after work and play with the machines to learn how they worked. Then....I went to the big city and never looked back. Well, I still live out here in the country though. Luckily I still have most of my internal parts and they still work halfway decently but some of the joints creak occasionally kinda like that old wooden brake. Yeah I pretty much stopped all the metal stuff except for the occasional buddy or family member now that I'm really settling into retirement. Its kinda nice to work on some of my old tractors but then again its kinda nice to wrinkle up a piece of flat metal ever now and then too. Thanks for watching sir and I do have a couple pretty good projects coming up later this fall though. Glad to have brought back a memory or two for you too !!
@@tractorman4461 LOL!!!!! My own brother said we look like twins, gray hair, gray beard, glasses and hat, and by all appearances, both pretty handy with a knife and fork!!!!! LOL!! I love the story about that old brake! I have seen several of them, never worked with one. I'd love to find an old 4 footer to restore and use, just so I can say I have one. It looks like you have a nice place and you sure do a lot of interesting things. I'll be looking at all your videos and I look forward to the new ones you mention. Anyway, Thank you again for your videos and sharing them and I hope you will enjoy your retirement as Much as I do. Take care, Bill
This sure brought back memories of my late ex husband and all his sheet metal mechanic work. I was able to follow you and understand what you were doing. The things that he made with sheet metal not associated with his work belong to our daughters now and they display them in their homes. Thanks for jogging some of the good memories from back then with your video. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Here's hoping for a wonderful holiday for you and your family. Thank you for the thoughtful comment and I am glad to have sparked some good memories within your past to boot. I have seen some awesome decorative and functional items that real tinners can produce and I admit to be woefully short in that venue. Thank you ma'am for taking the time out of your busy Thanksgiving schedule to watch.
Well Jacob, I am glad to hear that. I do have a few playlists of sheet metal up top and here is my last sheet metal upload here: ruclips.net/video/i2KFLZGbZwI/видео.html In case you missed it.
I really; like this video Tractorman....I use to do odd jobs for my brother like building all the inside of them chip trucks ....cupboard and all and the stainless diamond plate at the bake of the friers...them were the days....only worked for him in my younger days when it was slow in electrical....father was a carpenter...brother was a tin banger and I was electrician....we had it all....like looking at you laying it out....always looks so easy....good one again....CHEERS
I have gotten to do a small bit of 'ornamental' work years ago as well as some limited stainless steel kitchen work but not to any excess. I'm sure your brother is hands down a lot more adept at that than I. I've even built some pretty fancy shop cabinets back in the day..... not that me and you could use any additional storage in both of our 'highly organized' shops huh. lolol Thanks Gator, for watching and commenting....always a pleasure man, always a pleasure.
Thanks Wild Bill...I was wondering if very many would find it of interest. I will probably be a long drawn out job that's going to show a few things that may be considered a little out of the ordinary when it comes to just a plain jane run of the mill system. Residential sheet metal-wise that is. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment sir !! ...And feel free to ask for an explanation if you see something questionable. Remember I am not beyond making a mistake....lolol.
Love the video, just started special layout sheet metal fabrication 2months ago. Love the the stainless steel scribe, I’m gonna make me one the old timers will be impressed😂
David Waters make sure you put a pop rivet in it so it’s easy to pick up. It won’t lay flat that way. You can buy a scribe in the HVAC supply houses that have all the sizes running up one side. I’ve never used one though. Good luck with your training David. It’s a very good career choice. I’m actually a commercial HVAC service tech and mostly just self taught in sheet metal. Thanks for the comment sir !!
@@thepyrochannel8560 Yes, its much easier to pick up and for the times it gets covered by another piece of metal, the 'bulge' in the top sheet shows where it is too.
Thats great to hear Terrell. I know its hard to follow sometimes because I don't use a highly visible marker. Thank you for the words of encouragement. Being retired, I only do a little metal here and there. But there is a good one or two coming up pretty soon. Thanks for watching....and comment anytime.
s man thank you for the supportive comment sir. I am currently editing another video that is extremely detailed on a three directional plenum adapter for a furnace change out. Thanks for watching !!
By now, you may have seen how many parts there are to this playlist. Of course there are quite a number of jobs these different vids went to. Thanks Harry for another visit. Always welcome here !!
A Saturday evening video with me JO that I haven't seen! I toast you TM44! Now I'm in to it, though I have seen some in this series. I can renew because my old mind is like a sive! Or a colander, or a window screen or chicken wire but I just can't remember! Oh well, time for another gulp and video! Thank You my Friend! DaveyJO
Happy Sunday to you mon ami....wait a minute. Pennsylvanians don't speak French....that's for Canadians. Anyway...glad to see you are catching up on a lot of the old ones. And I doubt big time that your mind is as you describe. Now if you're talking computers....I agree, because I have a devil of a time grasping stuff because they change the way it works all the time. I'm sippin and tippin your way buddy. Have a wunnerful weekend !!
Tractorman44 I do know a little Canadian my Friend, eh? And the wannaful wannaful and a one and two I believe is Minnesotian, right? And now we will hear fromma Lemon sisters with bubbles ofcourse. Laurence Welk was a favorite of the old timers, although I thought it sucked back in the day. But I have grown to appreciated it but not that I watch it. They do still repeat those old shows. I think they just came out with cars when they began that show. I know Laurence was born and raised up on a farm in Minnesota and had a pretty rough childhood. But besides this perhaps I was a bit over on my mind! My mind is really like a steel trap but I can't open it up! Hey, did I tell you my mind is like a steel trap? Did you hear about the Skelton that walked into a bar and ordered a beer and a mop? So on these notes and confusions of wisdom, DaveyJO in outta here to get mother cuppaJO! Enjoy your slurpin this fine morning Friend Wendell! And give the Missus a Squeeze for me, eh? Did You tell me your mind was like a steel trap?
@@daveyjoweaver5183 hahahahahahha.... Holy cow....where does a reply to that begin..?? LOL !! I waited and waited every Saturday night just to see the beeeUtiful Lennon sisters. I was in love with the youngest one, but she didn't know it. Heck fire DaveyJO, my mind is so good it can remember stuff that never happened !!. Done wrapped up for the day. We are in the middle of a huge thunderstorm...so i'm sitting on the porch with the cool wet breeze sippin some hot hot coffee !!
Tractorman44 you brought back a few memories my Friend, yeah that younger sister was a babe now that you mentioned it! And I as well remember things that never happened but I can't remember them at this time, I guess. A cuppaJO onna porch in a storm, well it's a joy! But do run a ground wire from your cup, don't want burnt JO! DaveyJO
Hahahaha...I take that as a compliment Patrick !! (-; Thank you. Hey, have you found my playlists on sheet metal up above..?? Of not, here's a sample: ruclips.net/p/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx Thanks for stopping by today. I hope you find some interesting stuff !!
Earl Duff thank you for watching. And I will put up videos of projects as they come along. I only wish I’d had a RUclips channel before I retired. There are a few pretty good ones coming up later in the fall. Take care. Stay cool.
Most of the time I use an old fashioned ice pick because its much longer than a standard scratch awl. Sometimes I use an awl though, but not if I have to stretch all the way across a 4' wide sheet. I keep the points supremely sharp on the belt sander. Thanks for the question.
Me too, I'm waiting to get some constructive input from people that know those Belsaw grinders to learn more too. Btw.. are you well versed in the subject of sheet metal fabrication? Like most other stuff I do I have no formal training except for HVAC service.
@@tractorman4461 What littl I know I got from making machine guards, body work, and building fuel tanks for Catapiller dump trucks. I repaired and rebuilt Belsaw sharpening systems and read the books. I have experience with grinders and grinding wheels on all manner of grinders from die grinders with 1/4" wheels up to Cincinnati Centerless grinders with 36" wheels. There are two basic types of wheels. Resin bond, that has the grit glued together to form the wheel, and vitrified that fused the grit together under heat and pressure. You talked about heating during grinding the gullets. Having a coarse open grit stone with sharp grit and a weaker bond means it stays sharp longer, cuts cooler, but wears down faster. The rule of thumb is hard steel soft wheel. Saw steel isn't all that hard. Back in the Belsaw hayday of the 50's aluminum oxide was a big step up from sandstone. Grey stone is a good bet that it is aluminum oxide.
Awesome !! You will have a rewarding and long lasting career I guarantee it. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. If you have the time, check out this playlist: ruclips.net/video/PvDab537ul4/видео.html Sure was warm as well as nice and tight !! Good Luck going forward.
Great !! I enjoy sheet metal work as well. But I am retired and only do it when helping out someone now. Thanks for watching and take care way over there in Pakistan !!
When I was much younger, I hung dozens of 8 footers and didn't enjoy it one bit !! I never understood guys using the fat markers back in the day. Nowadays they have the fine point markers and those are MUCH better, but I still prefer the awl. Always did and too old to change. You'll see on some videos I'll highlight the scribe marks just so they show up on the camera. I had a few complaints about not being able to see the scribe marks. Thanks for watching another one Harry !!
@@tractorman4461 I’ll dot my points during triangulation and sometimes on a fitting but I’ll punch it and scribe it Worse case red pencil. Marker is for Pittsburgh and inside of fittings because I forget sometimes. True Tin Knocker traits.
@@harrygilbert4593 Hahahaha....I forgot all that I don't remember, its so bad !! If I am laying out multiple fittings before folding, I just put a big "I" on the insides of the sheets. On bigger jobs, I may lay out 10 or 15 fittings before folding the first one. I'd do it all in stages...layout/cut, then fold and insulate if required, then assemble. If I'm laying out multiples of the SAME fitting, I sometimes punch the junction of the notches with the pieces in a stack,, then just notch them to the punch marks. But I don't get in too much of a hurry anymore....and the big jobs are behind me now.
Hi TM44. Nice series of videos! I am a recently retired sheet metal worker and your videos make me feel nostalgic for the old days! I turned out of my apprenticeship in 1984!! I spent a good part of my time in the trade as a layout man in sheet metal shops, and sad to say, not many people are doing it the old way anymore. I have laid out patterns for fittings so small they would fit in my coat pocket and fittings so large I could park my pickup truck in it! Those were the happiest days of my working life! The last 10 years or so not so much. If I had a dollar for every hour I spent in front of a hand brake braking up duct as you show, I could have paid cash to have my hips replaced!!! ( hahaha!!!)
Anyway thanks for reminding me of my "glory" days in the trade! I still work a little but I keep things on the small side because I tend to get carried away! In fact looking at your shop reminds me of the shop I started in. Plus, and please don't take this the wrong way, You kind of look like me to boot!! HAHAHAHA!!!! (God help us both!!!!!) Thanks again, Bill
Dang William, I didn't know there'd be TWO of us this ugly....LOL. But that's good to know anyway. I got into the field in the mid 70's working for a couple little shops out here in the country. The first guy I worked with had an 1800's WOODEN brake. The only thing metal was the nose and bending bars, counterweight and handle. It operated from only the right side so the nose wasn't able to be set down one side at a time. BUT it DID eliminate walking back and forth to set the left handle. It sure strained your eyes to see your marks 8 feet away though. LOL. Actually it was horrible, it had the right side wooden legs partially rotted, so it sat unlevel left and right, front and back as a result. Every movement was filled for loud wooden creaks like a casket opening in a '60's horror movie. LOL. But that was the first guy I worked for. The second guy let me stay in his shop after work and play with the machines to learn how they worked. Then....I went to the big city and never looked back. Well, I still live out here in the country though.
Luckily I still have most of my internal parts and they still work halfway decently but some of the joints creak occasionally kinda like that old wooden brake. Yeah I pretty much stopped all the metal stuff except for the occasional buddy or family member now that I'm really settling into retirement. Its kinda nice to work on some of my old tractors but then again its kinda nice to wrinkle up a piece of flat metal ever now and then too. Thanks for watching sir and I do have a couple pretty good projects coming up later this fall though. Glad to have brought back a memory or two for you too !!
@@tractorman4461 LOL!!!!! My own brother said we look like twins, gray hair, gray beard, glasses and hat, and by all appearances, both pretty handy with a knife and fork!!!!! LOL!!
I love the story about that old brake! I have seen several of them, never worked with one. I'd love to find an old 4 footer to restore and use, just so I can say I have one. It looks like you have a nice place and you sure do a lot of interesting things. I'll be looking at all your videos and I look forward to the new ones you mention. Anyway, Thank you again for your videos and sharing them and I hope you will enjoy your retirement as Much as I do.
Take care, Bill
This sure brought back memories of my late ex husband and all his sheet metal mechanic work. I was able to follow you and understand what you were doing. The things that he made with sheet metal not associated with his work belong to our daughters now and they display them in their homes. Thanks for jogging some of the good memories from back then with your video. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Here's hoping for a wonderful holiday for you and your family.
Thank you for the thoughtful comment and I am glad to have sparked some good memories within your past to boot. I have seen some awesome decorative and functional items that real tinners can produce and I admit to be woefully short in that venue.
Thank you ma'am for taking the time out of your busy Thanksgiving schedule to watch.
I'm 38 years old been doing sheet metal hvac work for 12 years now and I still find your videos helpful keep on keeping on tractor man love it
Well Jacob, I am glad to hear that. I do have a few playlists of sheet metal up top and here is my last sheet metal upload here: ruclips.net/video/i2KFLZGbZwI/видео.html In case you missed it.
I really; like this video Tractorman....I use to do odd jobs for my brother like building all the inside of them chip trucks ....cupboard and all and the stainless diamond plate at the bake of the friers...them were the days....only worked for him in my younger days when it was slow in electrical....father was a carpenter...brother was a tin banger and I was electrician....we had it all....like looking at you laying it out....always looks so easy....good one again....CHEERS
I have gotten to do a small bit of 'ornamental' work years ago as well as some limited stainless steel kitchen work but not to any excess. I'm sure your brother is hands down a lot more adept at that than I. I've even built some pretty fancy shop cabinets back in the day..... not that me and you could use any additional storage in both of our 'highly organized' shops huh. lolol
Thanks Gator, for watching and commenting....always a pleasure man, always a pleasure.
Thanks for the video. I am looking forward to this series of videos. I find this topic very interesting.
Thanks Wild Bill...I was wondering if very many would find it of interest. I will probably be a long drawn out job that's going to show a few things that may be considered a little out of the ordinary when it comes to just a plain jane run of the mill system. Residential sheet metal-wise that is.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment sir !! ...And feel free to ask for an explanation if you see something questionable. Remember I am not beyond making a mistake....lolol.
Love the video, just started special layout sheet metal fabrication 2months ago. Love the the stainless steel scribe, I’m gonna make me one the old timers will be impressed😂
David Waters make sure you put a pop rivet in it so it’s easy to pick up. It won’t lay flat that way. You can buy a scribe in the HVAC supply houses that have all the sizes running up one side. I’ve never used one though. Good luck with your training David. It’s a very good career choice. I’m actually a commercial HVAC service tech and mostly just self taught in sheet metal. Thanks for the comment sir !!
Pop rivet is a good idea👍🏻. I have 4 regular scribes, just like yours for smaller stuff cause there is no adjustment.
@@thepyrochannel8560 Yes, its much easier to pick up and for the times it gets covered by another piece of metal, the 'bulge' in the top sheet shows where it is too.
Great video and explanation of details very helpful I really enjoy all videos thanks
Thats great to hear Terrell. I know its hard to follow sometimes because I don't use a highly visible marker. Thank you for the words of encouragement. Being retired, I only do a little metal here and there. But there is a good one or two coming up pretty soon. Thanks for watching....and comment anytime.
wow this is a great video. Just what i needed to redo my plenum.Thanks so much for making this its awesome.
s man thank you for the supportive comment sir. I am currently editing another video that is extremely detailed on a three directional plenum adapter for a furnace change out. Thanks for watching !!
I hope you keep it going
By now, you may have seen how many parts there are to this playlist. Of course there are quite a number of jobs these different vids went to. Thanks Harry for another visit. Always welcome here !!
A Saturday evening video with me JO that I haven't seen! I toast you TM44! Now I'm in to it, though I have seen some in this series. I can renew because my old mind is like a sive! Or a colander, or a window screen or chicken wire but I just can't remember! Oh well, time for another gulp and video! Thank You my Friend! DaveyJO
Happy Sunday to you mon ami....wait a minute. Pennsylvanians don't speak French....that's for Canadians. Anyway...glad to see you are catching up on a lot of the old ones. And I doubt big time that your mind is as you describe. Now if you're talking computers....I agree, because I have a devil of a time grasping stuff because they change the way it works all the time. I'm sippin and tippin your way buddy. Have a wunnerful weekend !!
Tractorman44 I do know a little Canadian my Friend, eh? And the wannaful wannaful and a one and two I believe is Minnesotian, right? And now we will hear fromma Lemon sisters with bubbles ofcourse. Laurence Welk was a favorite of the old timers, although I thought it sucked back in the day. But I have grown to appreciated it but not that I watch it. They do still repeat those old shows. I think they just came out with cars when they began that show. I know Laurence was born and raised up on a farm in Minnesota and had a pretty rough childhood. But besides this perhaps I was a bit over on my mind! My mind is really like a steel trap but I can't open it up! Hey, did I tell you my mind is like a steel trap? Did you hear about the Skelton that walked into a bar and ordered a beer and a mop? So on these notes and confusions of wisdom, DaveyJO in outta here to get mother cuppaJO! Enjoy your slurpin this fine morning Friend Wendell! And give the Missus a Squeeze for me, eh? Did You tell me your mind was like a steel trap?
@@daveyjoweaver5183 hahahahahahha.... Holy cow....where does a reply to that begin..?? LOL !! I waited and waited every Saturday night just to see the beeeUtiful Lennon sisters. I was in love with the youngest one, but she didn't know it. Heck fire DaveyJO, my mind is so good it can remember stuff that never happened !!. Done wrapped up for the day. We are in the middle of a huge thunderstorm...so i'm sitting on the porch with the cool wet breeze sippin some hot hot coffee !!
Tractorman44 you brought back a few memories my Friend, yeah that younger sister was a babe now that you mentioned it! And I as well remember things that never happened but I can't remember them at this time, I guess. A cuppaJO onna porch in a storm, well it's a joy! But do run a ground wire from your cup, don't want burnt JO! DaveyJO
Don't worry! Everybody wants to see a craftsman at work.
Hahahaha...I take that as a compliment Patrick !! (-; Thank you. Hey, have you found my playlists on sheet metal up above..?? Of not, here's a sample: ruclips.net/p/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx Thanks for stopping by today. I hope you find some interesting stuff !!
Keep the sheet metal videos coming
Earl Duff thank you for watching. And I will put up videos of projects as they come along. I only wish I’d had a RUclips channel before I retired. There are a few pretty good ones coming up later in the fall. Take care. Stay cool.
Interesante, me podrían decir dónde conseguir una tigera de ese estilo!!??
¿Podrías decirme qué es una tigera?
So what do you use to layout again?
Most of the time I use an old fashioned ice pick because its much longer than a standard scratch awl. Sometimes I use an awl though, but not if I have to stretch all the way across a 4' wide sheet. I keep the points supremely sharp on the belt sander. Thanks for the question.
Even the stuff I know how to do can always be improved on. I try and learn something from everyone.
Me too, I'm waiting to get some constructive input from people that know those Belsaw grinders to learn more too. Btw.. are you well versed in the subject of sheet metal fabrication? Like most other stuff I do I have no formal training except for HVAC service.
@@tractorman4461 What littl I know I got from making machine guards, body work, and building fuel tanks for Catapiller dump trucks.
I repaired and rebuilt Belsaw sharpening systems and read the books. I have experience with grinders and grinding wheels on all manner of grinders from die grinders with 1/4" wheels up to Cincinnati Centerless grinders with 36" wheels.
There are two basic types of wheels. Resin bond, that has the grit glued together to form the wheel, and vitrified that fused the grit together under heat and pressure.
You talked about heating during grinding the gullets. Having a coarse open grit stone with sharp grit and a weaker bond means it stays sharp longer, cuts cooler, but wears down faster. The rule of thumb is hard steel soft wheel. Saw steel isn't all that hard. Back in the Belsaw hayday of the 50's aluminum oxide was a big step up from sandstone. Grey stone is a good bet that it is aluminum oxide.
Just turned out. SMART Local 85.
Awesome !! You will have a rewarding and long lasting career I guarantee it. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. If you have the time, check out this playlist: ruclips.net/video/PvDab537ul4/видео.html Sure was warm as well as nice and tight !! Good Luck going forward.
I love duct work my workshop Pakistan lahore
Great !! I enjoy sheet metal work as well. But I am retired and only do it when helping out someone now. Thanks for watching and take care way over there in Pakistan !!
8’ joints are garbage. To hard to manage all around. Oh you don’t want to be a magic marker mechanic. Love it
When I was much younger, I hung dozens of 8 footers and didn't enjoy it one bit !! I never understood guys using the fat markers back in the day. Nowadays they have the fine point markers and those are MUCH better, but I still prefer the awl. Always did and too old to change. You'll see on some videos I'll highlight the scribe marks just so they show up on the camera. I had a few complaints about not being able to see the scribe marks. Thanks for watching another one Harry !!
@@tractorman4461 I’ll dot my points during triangulation and sometimes on a fitting but I’ll punch it and scribe it Worse case red pencil. Marker is for Pittsburgh and inside of fittings because I forget sometimes. True Tin Knocker traits.
@@harrygilbert4593 Hahahaha....I forgot all that I don't remember, its so bad !! If I am laying out multiple fittings before folding, I just put a big "I" on the insides of the sheets. On bigger jobs, I may lay out 10 or 15 fittings before folding the first one. I'd do it all in stages...layout/cut, then fold and insulate if required, then assemble. If I'm laying out multiples of the SAME fitting, I sometimes punch the junction of the notches with the pieces in a stack,, then just notch them to the punch marks. But I don't get in too much of a hurry anymore....and the big jobs are behind me now.