The Grove Street Families was the original gang until they started to lose power over disputes over drugs and other things. The Seville Boulevard Families (controlling only a small area in south-east Los Santos) and the Temple Drive Families (controlling western Los Santos territories) have split from the Grove and can be hostiles despite wearing green. So it basically became a 3 way civil war. In San Andreas they attempt to reunite the families when CJ returns. Sad to say not much has changed in the GTA 5 era as the sets seemed to have gotten worse and Grove Street don't even exist anymore. Chamberlain Gangster Familes (CGF). They are located in Chamberlain Hills. Hotspots include the Crystal Heights and All Swell complex apartments. Franklin is associated with them, as he does work for Gerald and Lamar. Davis Neighborhood Families (DNF). They are located in Western Davis. They don't really have any Hotspots, but are generally found in the Western Davis area. They have very distinct clothing, as unlike the other Families Sets which have green as a primary color, they wear mainly and exclusively black and grey, there clothing also usually has "Davis" written on it. Carson Avenue Families (CAF). They are located along the Western part of Carson Avenue. Hotspots are along the avenue in-between Strawberry and Chamberlain Hills. They are hostile to other sets, especially CGF. Forum Drive Families (FDF). They are located in the Strawberry half of Forum Drive) Hotspots include Forum Drive. They are not a standalone Set, as they are a Set within a Set (As FDF is within CGF). Most members of this Set are also members of CGF, including both Lamar and Franklin.
@@kevinbarbeau Obviously but they have universal similarities. Just because the exact events didn't take place does NOT mean those characters or original sets never existed.
Man is standing next to the last known place of CJ, the Sprunk machine, before he legendarily drank several thousand cans of Sprunk before breaking the space time continuum
Hes gotta be talking about sweet cuz cj was never really “gutter” he was more of a entrepreneur and wanted to get outta the hood. It was sweet that wanted to stay in it and keep it gutta
I still dont get why Rockstar had to put universe barriers when they have references and callbacks to the 3D universe games like in 5 you pick up a woman as a strangers and freaks mission who's last name is Forreli as Sonny Forreli the antagonist in Vice City
It started as a genuine attempt to make more realistic stories but they backpedaled after IV was severely criticized by the fanbase and hence why V is such a crowd pleaser with the tone all over the place
@@jamesmason9016 well Ray Liotta has beef w/ Rock star so I doubt we will ever see Tommy again b/c he was supposed to be in SA but the beef ruined that
What other characters? I know a big one was Johnny from the Lost and Damned DLC for GTA IV, showed him for one cutscene then immediately Trevor kills him.
Gta 5 staff really wanted to pretend like they're making something better than 4. Unfortunately they only could make it by shitting at 4's characters because their game mechanically is incredibly poor by comparison and a total downgrade. Marnie who is a stranger from an optional interaction in gta4 is about a hundred times more fleshed out character than an embodiment of cringe designed to appeal to 8 year olds known as trevor. Of course they knew it so they felt like they have to shit on her character in gta5.
@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONE dude no no you got it wrong. GTA V is in something we call the HD univers, which is the same one GTA IV is in, that's why we see more references to niko, and we have packie as a crew member. For GTA III, VC, and SA, they are in the 3D universe, that's why Ken Rosenberg and Claude Speed are in GTA SA.
Gta San Andreas stories would be great prequel to gta San Andreas..We should have Sweet as the main protagonist,see how big Grove Street family back then with him as the leader,how Brian death changed everything and CJ ran away,how Sweet struggle to keep both Seville Boulevard and Temple Drive family together as they fending off enemy gang,the establishment of CRASH,see how Sweet taking care both his mom and sister,and some other things..With this we can understand too why Sweet was so pissed off with CJ
I am actually very sad we wouldn't be able to see cj ever again or know his future I hope they at least make some more detailed references to him so we can know how it ended up
@@bigbadwolf0047 you might be right with the slang But In GTA San OG Aka OGF orange grove families but most likely you right cause in Gta 5 it seems that OGF doesn’t exist anymore
i think theres none to begin with. instead its like an era barier? iunno xD what im saying here is that all gta has the same universe but different timelines (obvoiusly), that doesnt really make so you can have the characters from the 3D era to the HD era, cuz i guess, time changed,
@@volkanloob513 i dont think its a different universe, instead its the same place (san andreas) but with different timeline, places gets different from time to time in the future, tho san andreas and 5's san andreas might not makes sense but hey, thats just my opinion.
There lived a certain man in USA long ago, he was big and strong and his eyes were flaming glow. Most people looked at him with terror and with fear, but to Grove street chicks he was such a lovely dear.
No matter how much Rockstar Games tries to deny the connection between Grand Theft Auto San Andreas & Grand Theft Auto V, there's many proof of connection of same universe all by just simply doing some investigation as a casual gamer. All this proves is that Carl Johnson "CJ" is somewhere in Los Santos if a Chamberlain gangster families member some how mistakens Franklin for CJ. You can thank whoever was on the development team that worked on Grand Theft Auto San Andreas before they left Rockstar Games years ago for leaving clues.
What clues? These are clearly just easter eggs and references that break the in-game lore. No one hid clues, especially since in this case, it’s a voice recording, it’s not something that someone can just hide without the higher ups knowing about it
GTA super fans really are a weird bunch, stop looking into things so deeply.. they're just Easter eggs. Reminds me of Rockstar saying they're gonna make a new announcement and people going "OMG GTA VI!! DOES THIS MEAN XYZ IS HAPPENING? LET'S TRY AND SOLVE THIS HIDDEN MESSAGE!" like turning into Columbo and shit
@@turnip5359 They're putting on the tinfoil hat and going nuts. Its ok to have head canon ,but saying it as fact with no real evidence is just plain dumb.
Epsilion program changed the past or seomthing. Episolon is found in Red Dead Redemption too , Manhunt and GTA SA. Out of every 3d crossover . It's even mentioned in RDR that Episolon has access to time travel.
One of the top devs even stated its not the same world. So no ones OPINION matters, its FACT that they are seperate. Just because CJ might exist it doesn't mean he followed the exact same path as 3D Universe CJ
On west coast classics, I heard the radio host saying how "franklin has been spotted in the streets lately doing all sorts of crazy shit" when I was playing gta online, cool detail ig
I kind of hate when people say that Franklin and CJ aren't in the same universe or how the 3D and HD universe is aren't connected when there's evidence proving they are, like it just takes place over a different timeline you know? Like if gta v was set in the 90s then yeah CJ would probably be in it
What makes them impossible for It be the same(besides Rockstar's own words in 2011) is that they changed too much from GTA LCS/3 in Gta 4 and San Andreas/Vice City to 5,they changed too much lore to a point where If the original ones are canon It would create massive plot holes, acording to Dan Houser they rebooted It in Gta 4 because they wanted to create new stories in more realistic depictions of Liberty City,Los Santos,etc without having to worry about old lore,only bringing back celebrities, brands and gangs,with new lore that contradicts the original ones
@Von Gotti the point is that rockstar didn't wrap up CJ's story. nobody knows what happen to him after the event of SA. what he do and where he goes is unknown. it's the lazy shortcut of "leaving everything to player's imagination". ubisoft actually put an ending to ezio and altair storyline with Revelation and Embers. it doesn't matter what universe it is they can just release a book or short film to conclude CJ and Sweet stories.
I'm not sure how the lore has changed over time but I think Rockstar originally said the universes were separate but once they decided to remake the trilogy in HD I wonder if that changes anything because GTA v has a lot of callbacks to the 3D universe even though it's supposed to be a totally different universe... Technically now that they are in an HD universe maybe there's an excuse for more carryover
They prolly ain't in the game but every gta talks and leads back to old protagonist and shi and we in Los Santos of course they gone have to be references to cj and shi there's like 5 or 6 I think
People who want R*'s games to be in 1 universe are like those toxic fanboys of the Pixar Theory. Why can't a company make references to previous successful products???
That’s a whole lotta bs with that universe thing just to troll us OG Loc records exist in this current “universe” and his first name “Jeffery” is name dropped in GTA online the contract Madd dogg as well with the posters Go to vinewood boulevard and you’ll see those celebrity star plaques of Tommy the nightmare smith and the funktopus who were djs for radio stations in GTA sa Grove street existed in gta 5 as Jimmy asks Franklin
I imagined CJ is sitting on the porch of his house trading stories for young bloods and them not believing it: "so you're telling me, that you broke into a military district, stole a jet pack to FLY with it, and brought it on a mountain top to stash it in a crazy dude's van. THEN USED IT again to steal some liquid weed off of a train? *snicker* this nigga."
Theres a theory that Franklin is CJs cousin, but that wouldnt make sense since Johnson and Clinton are different families. If CJ were to romance Denice, then why isnt he refrenced more in GTAV like Niko Bellic?
Yeah, I remember making almost all of Los Santos green. Why did they make that doable in the first place? All that work of taking over all of the Vagos and Balla territory just to discover that Grove Street would still disappear eventually. That's like saying all Grove Street OGs are complete idiots since they can't maintain the top spot even without rival gangs cause Cj and Sweet left
Although GTA 5 was cutting edge on just about everything. Graphics, gameplay, online etc. I do believe San Andreas was definitely the best game GTA game in the entire series. Ahead of its time even when it hit stores. I still remember it like it was yesterday. The chatacter customization, lifting weights, eating, sex appeal, BIKE RIDING! On and on.
"oh damn we need a new game/dlc with Claude/Tommy/CJ" Bruh this is the reason they say it´s different universes, so people didn´t ask for unnecesary stuff, we already suffering for a remaster of the classics you want a sequel that would 200% be a cashgrab? lmao the stories of the protagonist end in their game and that´s it, move on
People like the nostalgia stuff, no wonder why so many old franchises are being revived out of thin air with no care whatsoever, companies just straight up like to make money and the fanbases just don't cooperate
There is no evidence that any of the old characters existing in this universe, he is correct, it's just a nod / callback to the old games like OG Locs album, Red Dead Book, Cole Phelps dead body and many other references.
Nope. Nada. They butchered Johnny in GTA V and got rid of all his character development. Unless they pull in with some rdr2 level writing, I hope CJ stays in the past.
OG Bobby Johnson is a character in s movie set in 90s LA about gang banging, CJ is most likely based off of him, I think it's more of a reference to the movie and not CJ or Sweet.
I don't think that is canonical at all! CJ and most certainly Sweet seem to stay in LS, as for Kendall and Ceasar i could see SF working and probably being canon Reason being, CJ owns the best property in LS, Sweet is dedicated to the grove, and CJ is dedicated to his brother. I don't think they would leave LS after the game ending at all
@@frankbacon1002 Idk bro, CJ had Friends or Family in the 3 cities, Sweet in LS (I agree he cannot leave the Grove Street Families). Cesar and Kendll liked the time they spend in San Fierro. And Woozie has His Four dragons casino, CJ could be anywhere, I know he is proving His brother that he is not a buster, but he doesn't need to Do that forever, I think he proves himself and then he was going to the other cities to manage His properties, and maybe finding His place. While Sweet and all the hood look at him as a legendary OG.
@@SacapuntasDeMetal Oh good point, its more than likely that CJ is just invested in all three cities, travelling around a bunch just like the player does after the game ends. I don't think that you can even pinpoint his location canonically. Sweet is likely stuck to LS though after the game is ended Cesar and Kendall would also likely move around a bunch and would probably gravitate to SF, since Kendall seems to love that place the most. Cesar even mentioned how much he loves the place in some dialogue! Woozie would almost certainly stay in LV for the casino, Zero returns to his shop in SF, etc etc. Also btw, maybe they could set GTA 6 in San Fierro instead of Vice City?? I feel like modern San Francisco is more interesting than modern Miami as a setting, even though 80s Miami is definitely one of the best settings to use in general. That is if GTA 6 ever comes out and if it ends up being good at all Oh PS all this being said the HD universe is an alternate version of the 3D universe, the events are probably a bit different than 3D canon. Maybe CJ just stayed in LS the whole time or smn in HD
@@frankbacon1002 Oh SF for gta 6? Nice, even LV could be great. I Just hope Rockstar make this game with love like old times, We Don't want another definitive Edition fail.
They're probably old. If they were on their 30's in GTA: SA's 1992, GTA V sets in 2013, that's about 21 years. If CJ had a son he could already buy alcohol 😅
Definitely talking about CJ, Sweet got locked up while CJ was still putting in work on the streets. GTA San Andres literally is about CJ getting his respect(respect meter)back up and becoming a Street Legend like he is today…
@@Magno_Money How? If OG Johnson was “gutter as a motherfucker” in the 90s, that would make him an OG(original gangsta) today. He’s wasn’t an OG in San Andres, he became an OG by the end. How did I contradict anything?
I mean Johnson's one of the most common male names around, and CJ and Sweet don't exist in the world of GTA 5... It's just a reference if anything. But! I say it's a twist and he's really talking about Kendal! It's really stupid how Rockstar separates the old games from the new ones. Like that's one of their dumbest moments. I've never even heard of another company being that stupid. Like you don't see Ubisoft saying "so any ac game that came out on PS3, isn't connected to the PS4 and PS5 era of our games" I still remember seeing that CJ billboard and those pages in GTA IV and being both excited and angry -_- same with the "Rip Claude Rip Tommy" graffiti. Well, at least we know Niko got to have a nice quiet life in the end.
I just said it's probably a reference. But okay. Also doesn't matter if there's an image of CJ in Lester's house, he still doesn't exist in this timeline. Hell in the GTA trilogy Rockstar games themselves actually exist and created GTA 3 Years before GTA 3 took place.
@@brziperiod How they felt was valid, even if they maybe went about it in the wrong way. These are some of the most popular games of all time, they definitely didn’t get paid enough considering they were voicing the protagonists. If they don’t want to come back, sadly for fans of (mostly Niko since him coming back would be a lot more likely than CJ), that’s their call.
The Grove Street Families was the original gang until they started to lose power over disputes over drugs and other things. The Seville Boulevard Families (controlling only a small area in south-east Los Santos) and the Temple Drive Families (controlling western Los Santos territories) have split from the Grove and can be hostiles despite wearing green. So it basically became a 3 way civil war. In San Andreas they attempt to reunite the families when CJ returns.
Sad to say not much has changed in the GTA 5 era as the sets seemed to have gotten worse and Grove Street don't even exist anymore.
Chamberlain Gangster Familes (CGF). They are located in Chamberlain Hills. Hotspots include the Crystal Heights and All Swell complex apartments. Franklin is associated with them, as he does work for Gerald and Lamar.
Davis Neighborhood Families (DNF). They are located in Western Davis. They don't really have any Hotspots, but are generally found in the Western Davis area. They have very distinct clothing, as unlike the other Families Sets which have green as a primary color, they wear mainly and exclusively black and grey, there clothing also usually has "Davis" written on it.
Carson Avenue Families (CAF). They are located along the Western part of Carson Avenue. Hotspots are along the avenue in-between Strawberry and Chamberlain Hills. They are hostile to other sets, especially CGF.
Forum Drive Families (FDF). They are located in the Strawberry half of Forum Drive) Hotspots include Forum Drive. They are not a standalone Set, as they are a Set within a Set (As FDF is within CGF). Most members of this Set are also members of CGF, including both Lamar and Franklin.
That’s cool
And Groove street now is a balla street
@@besmiraka2016 yep
GTA SA and GTA V don’t take place in the same universe
@@kevinbarbeau Obviously but they have universal similarities. Just because the exact events didn't take place does NOT mean those characters or original sets never existed.
I like to imagine Old CJ is around telling crazy stories about Area 69 and working for the CIA and no one believes him
"This crazy mofocka just told us he jumped from a plane and hijacked a private jet full of mafiosos and shit, he tripping bru"
Except he had plenty of proof of that happening so everyone would believe him
@@miketheq7739 I doubt he was able to upkeep maintenance on the Hydra on his roof lmao
@@GangStalker17 He could always steal another one.
@@keith8880 true😂
Man is standing next to the last known place of CJ, the Sprunk machine, before he legendarily drank several thousand cans of Sprunk before breaking the space time continuum
I feel bad for Joel's switch 💀
Sprunk moment
It was a good 1980s time man
And becoming fat cj
Sprunk'd
Hes gotta be talking about sweet cuz cj was never really “gutter” he was more of a entrepreneur and wanted to get outta the hood. It was sweet that wanted to stay in it and keep it gutta
Truuuuuue, but CJ was the real main shooter, putting in work for the grove, that's why I think he's referencing CJ.
@@elicapri6918 facts his rep did outshow everyone else’s
I agree it’s sweet how can CJ be the OG Johnson when he left for so long
Yeah its Sweet Johnson.
Actually cj was real gutta in liberty city before he went back to los santos
Random guy : *breathes*
Franklin : YOU’RE SO COOL MAN
I guess his mind is playin' tricks on Franklin…
I see what you did there
XD
Why do I always see u commenting everywhere?
cultured
and make big money….
FUN FACT: Shawn Darnell Fonteno, the voice actor of Franklin, is a cousin of Young Maylay, the voice actor of CJ.
If he could read he would be very upset
Old
Fonteno also voiced one of the gangsters in SA
Double fun fact: Shawn Fonteno voiced one of Grove Street's NPCs you can recruit. The fat dude with the bandana over his head.
FUN FACT: pretty sure everyone knows that
rockstar should at least make an online dlc with CJ so we know his future since it's a mystery.
The problem with that is the voice actor for CJ thinks that Rockstar is a fucked up company and he doesn't ever wanna work with them again he said.
At least he knows to say it.
Not going to happen. The voice actor for CJ is a whiny SJW.
It'd be a different cj since gtaV and gtaSA are different universes
@@Shushkin how? For unfair reasons? Not getting paid exactly how the game went out, sounds like you're the SJW
I still dont get why Rockstar had to put universe barriers when they have references and callbacks to the 3D universe games like in 5 you pick up a woman as a strangers and freaks mission who's last name is Forreli as Sonny Forreli the antagonist in Vice City
It started as a genuine attempt to make more realistic stories but they backpedaled after IV was severely criticized by the fanbase and hence why V is such a crowd pleaser with the tone all over the place
I know. It'd be cool to play gta6 in vice city and meet an older Tommy Vercetti that still runnin stuff
@@jamesmason9016 well Ray Liotta has beef w/ Rock star so I doubt we will ever see Tommy again b/c he was supposed to be in SA but the beef ruined that
@@TheLakabanzaichrg i thought 4 was fun as hell. The story was a little boring from time to time though.
???? Just because it’s a different universe doesn’t mean the same family gangs dont exist. Forreli Family exists in the HD universe, big deal!
what do yall think he means when he says "OG Johnson"?
OG, johnson, and that guy wear grove color
I can confirm he talks about CJ or sweet
@@Bocchi4516 thank you
@@simple3545 and isn’t grove the original set tho
@@Southstar-SuperStar yea i think so
What the heck is gutter as a mf
"I'm bout to retire from this shit"
"We gotta get that money, yo"
I mean who wants to retire broke
@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONEikr
Yea you really are cool man
Either Sweet or CJ, could be both
@Trapmoralez maybe, but Sweet was actually the leader of the Grove Street Family.
If you think it's sweet just stop because sweet died and he was locked up
@@glendjunuslodoli211 Imagine caring about sweet. Who cares about that trashcan?
@@jacobnankervis2537 When did sweet die? Lmao you mean after the events of san andreas?
Yall high
We know CJ's future, he became a male model, we saw his pictures in gta 4 billboards 😂
Really? 😂😂😂
@@afonsocarvalho2695 yeah I believe it was in gta 4, supposed to be an Easter egg to gta sa, you can look it up, rockstar does it all the time
That's actually Brucie.
@@SeriousDragonifyThat...black man with sunglasses, Brucie? Idk
@@STUG8002 Yep, that's the shadow.
It's really low quality but on other pics he doesn't have hat and sunglasses.
Franklin talking kills me Franklin and Lamar together are funniest 🤣 😂
NAH Lanar and Trevor together are away kills me
It makes it even better that GeTo Boys is playing in the background
i truly hope they never show CJ in a gta game again because when they show characters from other GTA games is just to kill them out of nowhere.
What other characters? I know a big one was Johnny from the Lost and Damned DLC for GTA IV, showed him for one cutscene then immediately Trevor kills him.
@@Spooderman77You forget Vic Vance dying at the beginning of Vice City...
@@Ratzmoonmopes
But Vice City came out before VCS, so Vic was never “brought back” to be killed off, just given a prequel.
i like that tbh, but hopefully they dont overdo it
Gta 5 staff really wanted to pretend like they're making something better than 4. Unfortunately they only could make it by shitting at 4's characters because their game mechanically is incredibly poor by comparison and a total downgrade. Marnie who is a stranger from an optional interaction in gta4 is about a hundred times more fleshed out character than an embodiment of cringe designed to appeal to 8 year olds known as trevor. Of course they knew it so they felt like they have to shit on her character in gta5.
Love seeing references to the older games, Ik Franklin has an OG Loc gold plaque in his house too lol
bruh it's the same timeline, there should be much more "references" of the older games actually, like having a mission with old version of CJ
@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONE dude no no you got it wrong. GTA V is in something we call the HD univers, which is the same one GTA IV is in, that's why we see more references to niko, and we have packie as a crew member. For GTA III, VC, and SA, they are in the 3D universe, that's why Ken Rosenberg and Claude Speed are in GTA SA.
They can't seem to make up their minds whether the HD era and PS2 era are connected or not.
Gta San Andreas stories would be great prequel to gta San Andreas..We should have Sweet as the main protagonist,see how big Grove Street family back then with him as the leader,how Brian death changed everything and CJ ran away,how Sweet struggle to keep both Seville Boulevard and Temple Drive family together as they fending off enemy gang,the establishment of CRASH,see how Sweet taking care both his mom and sister,and some other things..With this we can understand too why Sweet was so pissed off with CJ
the mc should be cesar not sweet
Toreno
@@sheriff332 nah
they did add a stories except it wasnt a playable game except a video explaining the before of gta sa
@@jesseramirez3536 where? I need this
I am actually very sad we wouldn't be able to see cj ever again or know his future
I hope they at least make some more detailed references to him so we can know how it ended up
You can see me 1 more time
Imagine if we play as CJ's grandson or son in gta 6
The only issue is convincing Young Maylay to reprised his role of voicing CJ but that ain't ever happening.
Yea dude, CJ and company are IN gta5 bro. Look it up. It's an Easter egg. You can see them 1 more time
@@CarlJohnsonGroveStreet See you around, Carl.
This npc also gets on the phone and talks to a “og Johnson”. Always wondered if anyone else caught that. I assume it’s CJ
Og Johnson would be sweet.
CJ isn't much of an OG after he left the grove to liberty lmao
@@mzov_1724 when they say OG I think they mean Orange Grove which was the same set CJ claims
@@chickenwitrice761 OG is slang for " Original Gangster"
@@bigbadwolf0047 you might be right with the slang But In GTA San OG Aka OGF orange grove families but most likely you right cause in Gta 5 it seems that OGF doesn’t exist anymore
@@chickenwitrice761 the Balla’s called themselves “Balla OG’s” so it definitely meant Original Gangster.
I thought he's gonna say busta, straight busta.
Rockstar shouldn’t have created that universe barrier.
i think theres none to begin with. instead its like an era barier? iunno xD
what im saying here is that all gta has the same universe but different timelines (obvoiusly), that doesnt really make so you can have the characters from the 3D era to the HD era, cuz i guess, time changed,
@@StellaNBellaOfficial the problem is Man gta sa and 5 take place in diffrent universe
@@volkanloob513 i dont think its a different universe, instead its the same place (san andreas) but with different timeline, places gets different from time to time in the future, tho san andreas and 5's san andreas might not makes sense but hey, thats just my opinion.
@@StellaNBellaOfficial Just because you thinks it isnt dosent mean itu does
@@volkanloob513 opinion mate
There lived a certain man in USA long ago,
he was big and strong and his eyes were flaming glow.
Most people looked at him with terror and with fear,
but to Grove street chicks he was such a lovely dear.
Hvala Serbian dude
He could preach the book like a preacher
Full of ecstasy and fire
But he also was the kind of gangster
Women would desire
@@flopsinator5817 what f ing book
Cool Easter Egg. Glad my boy CJ is recognized as an OG.
No matter how much Rockstar Games tries to deny the connection between Grand Theft Auto San Andreas & Grand Theft Auto V, there's many proof of connection of same universe all by just simply doing some investigation as a casual gamer.
All this proves is that Carl Johnson "CJ" is somewhere in Los Santos if a Chamberlain gangster families member some how mistakens Franklin for CJ.
You can thank whoever was on the development team that worked on Grand Theft Auto San Andreas before they left Rockstar Games years ago for leaving clues.
What clues? These are clearly just easter eggs and references that break the in-game lore. No one hid clues, especially since in this case, it’s a voice recording, it’s not something that someone can just hide without the higher ups knowing about it
GTA super fans really are a weird bunch, stop looking into things so deeply.. they're just Easter eggs. Reminds me of Rockstar saying they're gonna make a new announcement and people going "OMG GTA VI!! DOES THIS MEAN XYZ IS HAPPENING? LET'S TRY AND SOLVE THIS HIDDEN MESSAGE!" like turning into Columbo and shit
@@turnip5359 They're putting on the tinfoil hat and going nuts. Its ok to have head canon ,but saying it as fact with no real evidence is just plain dumb.
Epsilion program changed the past or seomthing. Episolon is found in Red Dead Redemption too , Manhunt and GTA SA. Out of every 3d crossover . It's even mentioned in RDR that Episolon has access to time travel.
One of the top devs even stated its not the same world. So no ones OPINION matters, its FACT that they are seperate. Just because CJ might exist it doesn't mean he followed the exact same path as 3D Universe CJ
CJs literally just chilling in a mansion somewhere
Man, now I am reminded as well how Tommy should be 70 by now and we also don't know how his life went.
I think he talks about Sweet and not Carl. CJ now probaly will be a millionare and oblivous Madd Dogg's new manager.
GTA6 should be years later where lamar and franklin are OG and you a youngsta hearing stories of how franklin went from gutter to multi billionare.
what a nice conversation
He was talkin bout O.G. Bobby Johnson 😭🤣😂
"OG Johnson is gutter as a mofo"
On west coast classics, I heard the radio host saying how "franklin has been spotted in the streets lately doing all sorts of crazy shit" when I was playing gta online, cool detail ig
franklin looking like he about to say "un bideo ma mi gente" ‼️‼️☠️😭😭😭
Don Pollo
Imagine GTA 3D universe trilogy getting a reboot and take place in the HD universe, same universe as GTA 5
There's something super cursed about bald Franklin.
I kind of hate when people say that Franklin and CJ aren't in the same universe or how the 3D and HD universe is aren't connected when there's evidence proving they are, like it just takes place over a different timeline you know? Like if gta v was set in the 90s then yeah CJ would probably be in it
What makes them impossible for It be the same(besides Rockstar's own words in 2011) is that they changed too much from GTA LCS/3 in Gta 4 and San Andreas/Vice City to 5,they changed too much lore to a point where If the original ones are canon It would create massive plot holes, acording to Dan Houser they rebooted It in Gta 4 because they wanted to create new stories in more realistic depictions of Liberty City,Los Santos,etc without having to worry about old lore,only bringing back celebrities, brands and gangs,with new lore that contradicts the original ones
Imagine talking to someone while they're on their phone
they should pay homage to CJ or GSF, man. even ubisoft did something with Ezio.
@Von Gotti the point is that rockstar didn't wrap up CJ's story. nobody knows what happen to him after the event of SA. what he do and where he goes is unknown. it's the lazy shortcut of "leaving everything to player's imagination". ubisoft actually put an ending to ezio and altair storyline with Revelation and Embers. it doesn't matter what universe it is they can just release a book or short film to conclude CJ and Sweet stories.
I swear it’s like Franklin doesn’t care to keep on a conversation 😂
I lowkey feel like Franklin was a dry texter at some point
The most pain about gta v
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Npc’s talk more than what cyberpunk claimed they had
He’s definitely talking about CJ lol I have a theory I’ll have up soon
It feels like 1992 with mind playing tricks playing
That sprunk machine I always used when playing GTA San Andreas 😂
When GTA V was first released CGF members would be otp asking “What’s Up CJ” I’m surprised no one else mention this
I'm not sure how the lore has changed over time but I think Rockstar originally said the universes were separate but once they decided to remake the trilogy in HD I wonder if that changes anything because GTA v has a lot of callbacks to the 3D universe even though it's supposed to be a totally different universe... Technically now that they are in an HD universe maybe there's an excuse for more carryover
They prolly ain't in the game but every gta talks and leads back to old protagonist and shi and we in Los Santos of course they gone have to be references to cj and shi there's like 5 or 6 I think
Rockstar makes references to their games all the time.
People who want R*'s games to be in 1 universe are like those toxic fanboys of the Pixar Theory. Why can't a company make references to previous successful products???
I could see them adapting bits and pieces from the 3d universe and molding them to fit the current canon
That’s a whole lotta bs with that universe thing just to troll us
OG Loc records exist in this current “universe” and his first name “Jeffery” is name dropped in GTA online the contract
Madd dogg as well with the posters
Go to vinewood boulevard and you’ll see those celebrity star plaques of Tommy the nightmare smith and the funktopus who were djs for radio stations in GTA sa
Grove street existed in gta 5 as Jimmy asks Franklin
"Okay, I'll catch you later then"
I imagined CJ is sitting on the porch of his house trading stories for young bloods and them not believing it:
"so you're telling me, that you broke into a military district, stole a jet pack to FLY with it, and brought it on a mountain top to stash it in a crazy dude's van.
THEN USED IT again to steal some liquid weed off of a train? *snicker* this nigga."
Or him saying, 'I met a white dude named Toreno, CIA, and he wanted to steal a fighter jet, also bringing in drugs'
I like to think that the events of San Andreas did happen in the HD universe, and that CJ did exist, but with a different outcome.
Theres a theory that Franklin is CJs cousin, but that wouldnt make sense since Johnson and Clinton are different families. If CJ were to romance Denice, then why isnt he refrenced more in GTAV like Niko Bellic?
@D Adams Ah, I see.
Different families how? I'm over here thinking maybe he had an aunt lol.
There’s literally a picture of cj in lesters house
@@chopsyoutube Really?
Thats pretty sick to be honest.
Impossible because CJ story was in 1994 and the franklin exists in 2013 so they cannot be cousins but it is possible that they have some connections
I love how in GTA 5, GSF is (even though it is subtle) treated as some kind of mystical or legendary group
Fun fact the "skate sneakers" from GTA V are GTA's version of the Nike Cortez
They have to be in the same universe because you can find a OG LOC album in Franklins house
As if this video came up in my feed again😂💀
Why did rockstar make gta 5 and other gtas in different universes tho ? I wouldev loved to see cj crossed paths with Franklin
It's kinda sad to realize that in modern days the Grove Street gang lost the actual Grove Street territory to the Ballas.
Yeah, I remember making almost all of Los Santos green. Why did they make that doable in the first place? All that work of taking over all of the Vagos and Balla territory just to discover that Grove Street would still disappear eventually. That's like saying all Grove Street OGs are complete idiots since they can't maintain the top spot even without rival gangs cause Cj and Sweet left
Although GTA 5 was cutting edge on just about everything. Graphics, gameplay, online etc. I do believe San Andreas was definitely the best game GTA game in the entire series. Ahead of its time even when it hit stores. I still remember it like it was yesterday. The chatacter customization, lifting weights, eating, sex appeal, BIKE RIDING! On and on.
And most importantly the story
But.. GTA V has all of this
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damn, Franklin got rid of his entire yee-yee ass haircut.
OG Johnson doesn't have to mean like CJ or Sweet...
I can’t believe nobody found this
"oh damn we need a new game/dlc with Claude/Tommy/CJ"
Bruh this is the reason they say it´s different universes, so people didn´t ask for unnecesary stuff, we already suffering for a remaster of the classics you want a sequel that would 200% be a cashgrab? lmao the stories of the protagonist end in their game and that´s it, move on
People like the nostalgia stuff, no wonder why so many old franchises are being revived out of thin air with no care whatsoever, companies just straight up like to make money and the fanbases just don't cooperate
He really is cool
This is an alternate universe. Even if the ones being referred to are "CJ" and his brother, they are not the same CJ we played in GTA San Andreas.
How dense are you? It's very clearly intended to be a call back to GTA:SA
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There is no evidence that any of the old characters existing in this universe, he is correct, it's just a nod / callback to the old games like OG Locs album, Red Dead Book, Cole Phelps dead body and many other references.
@@StatiCRjm Sure. That's what I also meant.
@@Niani23455 no, we aren't on the same page. I'm saying they don't exist AT ALL in this new universe.
I like how he refers to him as OG Johnson
I love the little details man!
Isn’t this the place near the pizza parlor CJ and Ryder rob? Where the grenades spawn next to the appartments.
Cj sounds like gangster from the majestics
He be wearing green=Grove so definitely talking about sweet or cj
Thanks chops
Franklin: "Hey u kool"
I miss cj in gta games, maybe after definitive edition they will add old gta characters in gta 6
Nope
Nope. Nada. They butchered Johnny in GTA V and got rid of all his character development. Unless they pull in with some rdr2 level writing, I hope CJ stays in the past.
Nah rumor has it that the protagonist is gonna be a girl in vice city sadly
@@EbK_KJx17 nah the next protagonist will be a matherpacker
@@EbK_KJx17 I remember seeing that idk what RUclips channel it was
Man changed the title 😂
GTA 5 FRANKLIN TALKS ABOUT CJ AND SWEET (FAMILY MEMBERS?
I did change I accidentally clickbaited a lil bit. But he does mention cj obviously
OG Bobby Johnson is a character in s movie set in 90s LA about gang banging, CJ is most likely based off of him, I think it's more of a reference to the movie and not CJ or Sweet.
That random NPC’s voice sounds so familiar
it does, huh.
Man i miss CJ let us all wish he gets a scene or a main reference in GTA 6
More like A Cool Drunk dialogue between 2 gangsters lol
I believe Johnson brother are legends at that point, but they are living in Las Venturas (CJ and maybe Sweet) And San Fierro (Kendll and Cesar)
I don't think that is canonical at all! CJ and most certainly Sweet seem to stay in LS, as for Kendall and Ceasar i could see SF working and probably being canon
Reason being, CJ owns the best property in LS, Sweet is dedicated to the grove, and CJ is dedicated to his brother. I don't think they would leave LS after the game ending at all
@@frankbacon1002 Idk bro, CJ had Friends or Family in the 3 cities, Sweet in LS (I agree he cannot leave the Grove Street Families).
Cesar and Kendll liked the time they spend in San Fierro.
And Woozie has His Four dragons casino, CJ could be anywhere, I know he is proving His brother that he is not a buster, but he doesn't need to Do that forever, I think he proves himself and then he was going to the other cities to manage His properties, and maybe finding His place.
While Sweet and all the hood look at him as a legendary OG.
@@SacapuntasDeMetal Oh good point, its more than likely that CJ is just invested in all three cities, travelling around a bunch just like the player does after the game ends. I don't think that you can even pinpoint his location canonically. Sweet is likely stuck to LS though after the game is ended
Cesar and Kendall would also likely move around a bunch and would probably gravitate to SF, since Kendall seems to love that place the most. Cesar even mentioned how much he loves the place in some dialogue! Woozie would almost certainly stay in LV for the casino, Zero returns to his shop in SF, etc etc.
Also btw, maybe they could set GTA 6 in San Fierro instead of Vice City?? I feel like modern San Francisco is more interesting than modern Miami as a setting, even though 80s Miami is definitely one of the best settings to use in general. That is if GTA 6 ever comes out and if it ends up being good at all
Oh PS all this being said the HD universe is an alternate version of the 3D universe, the events are probably a bit different than 3D canon. Maybe CJ just stayed in LS the whole time or smn in HD
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Oh SF for gta 6? Nice, even LV could be great.
I Just hope Rockstar make this game with love like old times,
We Don't want another definitive Edition fail.
They're probably old. If they were on their 30's in GTA: SA's 1992, GTA V sets in 2013, that's about 21 years. If CJ had a son he could already buy alcohol 😅
The music in the background is the best
Wich music is please?
Im literally listening to my mind is playing tricks on me right now💯
great song!!
OG is usually somebody older which is sweet he might be talking about cj though
Good old cj
Lol
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Ive never seen families dressed like that
wait? you have greet and antagonize options? is that a PC feature? thought only rdr2 did that
yea I'm hella confused too, maybe it's a mod
@@alanmueller2027 Its a mod called dialogue system by jedijosh ill put it in the description!!
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This is secretly a sprunk campaign ad... 🤣
Since Lazlow appeared at GTA San Andreas the same age he appeared here, I'm sure CJ is somewhere making moves in the present
3d universe believers looking really goofy right now
Definitely talking about CJ, Sweet got locked up while CJ was still putting in work on the streets. GTA San Andres literally is about CJ getting his respect(respect meter)back up and becoming a Street Legend like he is today…
He said “OG Johnson was gutter as a motherfucker” so everything you said just contradicted itself
@@Magno_Money How? If OG Johnson was “gutter as a motherfucker” in the 90s, that would make him an OG(original gangsta) today. He’s wasn’t an OG in San Andres, he became an OG by the end. How did I contradict anything?
Og John son
Me: what did you just said
A families member can also get on the phone and say “carl” when referring to them
OG johnson, yup hes talking about the brothers sweet and cj johnson. by 2013 cj put in so much work for grove that hes an OG in the gang by now.
What did he even say?
"Og Johnson is gutter than a mf"
I'd rather say "Og Johnson is gutter as a mf "
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Sprunk moment
I mean Johnson's one of the most common male names around, and CJ and Sweet don't exist in the world of GTA 5... It's just a reference if anything. But! I say it's a twist and he's really talking about Kendal! It's really stupid how Rockstar separates the old games from the new ones. Like that's one of their dumbest moments. I've never even heard of another company being that stupid. Like you don't see Ubisoft saying "so any ac game that came out on PS3, isn't connected to the PS4 and PS5 era of our games" I still remember seeing that CJ billboard and those pages in GTA IV and being both excited and angry -_- same with the "Rip Claude Rip Tommy" graffiti. Well, at least we know Niko got to have a nice quiet life in the end.
“OG Johnson” is obviously a reference to CJ/Sweet stop kidding yourself. There is literally an image of CJ in Lester’s house.
I just said it's probably a reference. But okay. Also doesn't matter if there's an image of CJ in Lester's house, he still doesn't exist in this timeline. Hell in the GTA trilogy Rockstar games themselves actually exist and created GTA 3 Years before GTA 3 took place.
Fr I stay grabbing that Uzi on the dead homies
This may not make sense but it should've been Grove Street Johnson.
Atleast someone said OG to Mr.Johnson.
I hope Rockstar makes a DLC for GTA Online about CJ’s future and how he lost Grove Street to the Ballas in GTA 5.
IIRC CJ’s VA was basically $ hungry about shit. Same reason why we don’t have Niko.
@@brziperiod How they felt was valid, even if they maybe went about it in the wrong way. These are some of the most popular games of all time, they definitely didn’t get paid enough considering they were voicing the protagonists. If they don’t want to come back, sadly for fans of (mostly Niko since him coming back would be a lot more likely than CJ), that’s their call.
@@brziperiod it wasnt about the money lol
@@FoxeralArt eh, you shouldn't get payed more than what your contract calls for. If you agreed to it, they are not inclined to give you anymore.