I agree with the first one pretty much. the xp problem yeah, it is a problem, not in started characters, in general, I'm able to max low wins characters even after low wins but that's my case. Normally I agree. someone who just left low wins may have problems. Nega Isn't very good tbh, is a glass cannon, even standing still it drains more stamina that it uses. His reverse move only work against players who fought him for a few times or a xbox player. It is pretty counter with any ranged weapons if the user know how. koffin k needs a nerf or make it unable to fly when there's a barrier active. It being able to just wipe 30 stamina without a drawback is OP as hell and god have mercy ifthere's more than one. yeah, swap is the worst char in the game, being unable to save stamina, even worse than nega. and his moveset being just luck than a chara is bad enough to tank your bone rush and even if underverse is good it isn't worth 100 kills .
the "whatever this is" part really resonates with me. who the hell likes being oneshot by an unescapeable combo? i mean atleast in normal fighting games you can react and try to get out of the combo but this aint a fighting game. i can't do that. i just gotta watch as my hp goes down to 0 because i got hit with 1 attack.
the only point I don’t agree with is the dull knife one seriously how in the world do you guys struggle so much with dull knife if you stay in your attacks (or on the other side of your attack) they can’t do anything because they have almost no ranged dmg attacks
@@Polyridofyou who is “you guys”? I rarely have to fight dull knife and I’ve never struggled against it before. I put it there because I find it really good. Also I usually just switch to sad when fighting campers and they’ll likely not know to avoid sad poems so camping helps me
Another one that i would like to add (which was partially fixed) is Dustbelief terrible story. I swear every match had like 500 bugs at the same time. Double reppel, reppel not working against bone m1 afterhits, that one bone rain move *literally* spending your stam only to do absolutely nothing, you dying at half hp/stam for landing reppel. The list goes on
Old, goofy looking Dustbelief Snowdin without upgrades, being able to just glide to either side of the map in a mere second because of collision issues.
If the characters suck with no upgrades the people wouldnt have fun plsying since you going to lose most of the time so they wont use those characters or stop playing
@D4tonatorS-9372 so your saying little mac is good in smash bros? Some characters are just bad, they might jave a gimic, but it cant save the entire character
Here's what all dull knife emotions do if you don't know happy: gives you a ton of walk speed and attack speed depending on what phase your in but you deal less damage and takes away less stamina also the ability blinds the sans when hit (only on ph1)not sure for how long though and i forgot got the stab effect lol sad: not much just a bunch defense and slower speed also changes on your phase too (hit stab on ph2 to give toast to every chara) anger: way higher damage and takes away more stamina from the sans but you take more damage yourself stab ability will make them bleed if hit and does damage over time (better in ph2) I hope this helped sorry for yapping so much💀
abt dullknife: it is pretty busted, but in my opinion one of the only weapons that can replace old DT, which is good against characters who were made to hardcounter old DT (examples being dustbelief or littlehyper) which i only use it against op chars tbh. abt dustfell or the dust evos generally: to be honest, in a server with bad teammates its not worth it teamplaying, for example, against a waterfall, its harder to fight 1v1 (and it takes way longer) its a thing ive noticed they really need to fix hitboxes from some box attacks, tho.
Also I do agree on the low win characters being such a pain to grind I inevitably deleted my reset just to get to grind them because most of them cannot even get a kill on a afk player whos actively being healed by teammates before being slaughtered Another complaint is Charas get pity xp when losing sans doesnt. Another complaint is fresh bat still instakills older models. Another complaint is the fact that if you dont grind low win characters in the low win servers you will have to reset then delete your reset to get a second chance because even with afk players you wont get that kill as you cannot get them before being inevitably killed.
Yeah, new ulc has ALOT of issues. There are a handful of Sans’s that you can NEVER BEAT (Red, Outer, ETC) And then the rest of them are kinda shit. Not to mention how OP the Chara team is, with weapons like Backbone, Chaos Sabers, Dull Knife, Ballet Shoes, the list goes on. (also now i know you LITERALLY said “it’s not a skill issue” with Swap but i soloed 3 1-2k wins with upgrade 0 sooooooo)
@@joeypickering5273 I’ve beaten red before. Thing about red is that once you successfully approach her, she doesn’t have much to keep you off her. I’ve also beaten outer, but that’s because the people I fight that unironically use outer are bad players. I change my mind about swap sans. After playing with him a tiny bit more. I realized that bone shield has a lot of coll setups that do a bit of damage, and with how longlasting the fight is, any sort of damage goes a long way. Though I think they should rework his upgrades.
@@PapertoolsareniceYou have a fair point, but most Red players don’t realize they can actually aim her covering the map attack slash away, forcing you to either jump or take heavy damage. You still do have a fair point, however.
1:50 - the moment of being an idiot and spamming all of your attacks without any care for an incoming attack. He got evaporated because of the amount of high dealing attacks. Dust Papaya skin is a Geno type. In other words to vaporize someone you need to land an attack, and in his case: multiple attacks. 2:36 - his attacks cost hell of a fortune, and his stamina regen speed isn't the best, plus his defensive moves can be easily avoided. Basically: good zoners are a counter to this one. 2:52 - ... OK, Koffin K IS busted, I can agree with that 100%. 3:48 - Real. I can agree with that too. 4:50 - Dull knife 3rd phase is still kinda weak imo. It's countered by camping, and happy mode m1's don't deal much dmg. It's just infinite hit/heal for Sans. Sad mode's durability is almost useless, as you can't hit Sans if he's moving, and anger mode literally makes you die faster, with already having the 60 hp. Basically: second phase is the best (The dull knife rant in a nutshell: me, who mains dull knife, backbone, and the BONKer, just tries to justify my point with selective hearing and useless argument (basically, I wasted your time)).
As a former sweat player of the game, I heavily agree with most, if not all of the points stated. *Dust characters* get the benefit of not really needing to plan as carefully as characters without the stam/hp heal on kill, on top of the points you brought up *Starter characters* (mainly pacifist, papyrus, negatale, outer and nowadays last breath) are hard to play as due to their high stamina cost for comparably low damage output, with rarely ever good tools to keep chara team on the edge. Little (mainly because of his bonezone), science (due to his blasters), and the sloppily designed reworks are the exceptions to this. The Snowdin dustbelief* clip just showcases the lack of proper analysis on new additions for balance, which I could go on a tangent for hours. *True negative* is unbeatable for different reasons to murder sans, while murder can blind the enemy and destroy them in a couple seconds with his blasters (which you have to bait at every interaction to survive), true negative has a strong camping tool that has essentially no cooldown, high damage blasters with good coverage, a general confusion tool that is as good if not better than murder's blindness, and bone advantage which is essentially free damage. *Koffin K* is a general annoyance to deal with as sans thanks to the debuff attacks and the flying abilities making them generally harder to hit, and due to his ease of playability he's also not very engaging to play as, with or without patience. HP characters getting demolished is not exclusive to Koffin K though, a good chunk of weapon reworks are just busted in damage for no reason. *Swap Sans* without UV is dogwater because of his lack of focused attack tools. His entire toolkit is just map attack after map attack. The bonezone is not threatening because it's blue (and they can just jump to move inside of it) and the bone shield is barely a stamina surplus when you stand still for the entirety of it, nevermind it getting broken early. His ONLY good move is the bonethrow, which is ruined due to its lengthy cooldown. -that being said UV Swap is by far the most fun i've had with a character so he's worth it- *Dull knife* on top of being stupidly powerful with their abilities, also has the added bonus of having _210 health_ which, even if they were to stay as a singular emotion or just not use any abilities, would still make them way better than other weapons if only because of his tankiness. Anything other points you've mentioned but I didn't bring up, I probably completely agree with. That being said, the game's flaws run way deeper than these, and there's a plethora of points I haven't heard you or anyone in the community bring up. Thanks for shedding some light on these flaws regardless, it's important to keep pointing at what is not good design.
As waterfall dust main i confirm thath first one is bull#### base dust moveset without kills is kinda bad and spear is to isolate rushers since you get rushed so easy aslo thath why you got a blink to run from rushers counter is to punish rushers for agresive bahivior with sans +1 kill and some stamina bone spears lets you get a breathe from rushers and if your playing more aggerise is good for area denial like memory blaster and block the path were the guy is going blaster is harder to hit beacuze of waterfall being x2 the size of normal last corridor so if you know how to handle a dust and be patient wich your rushdown +dont froget spear only has 3 uses before it turns into melle and it’s harder to hit beacuze of map aslo most of people dont understand thath you have about 5 min to kill him its enoguh to bait a lot of attacks and stamina and thath why cryes about it is just incompitent
Btw pro tip to increase content quality get obs recorder beacuze when you use roblox recorder i can see induvidial pixels and audio is cryspy put text lower so footage can be seen and dont use swears too often since you can get your pay cutrd off
"lv mechanic sucks!!!" dude this isn't about a game where you solo, its about you beating a boss, we can say raid boss in this context because you shouldn't win solo. So you have to have good teammates.
I don't like koffin k, so i just run away from him, he's just gonna waste it his time lol if i just run in the opposite direction of the barrier warning he won't be able to do anything lol, swap sans? eh, decent enough in my opinion, could be good if used right but you are not always going to win (this is with every character) if you got at least 30 just be glad, don't like dull knife too so i just aim dull first, i still don't know how to deal with the new trident edit: about dust: snowdin is stronger than waterfall and uh, i don't have any problems with dust, are playing the game for one billion dollars or just to have fun? and about afk players, you don't need them, the more you play with a character the more skill you will get (yes even with base) about the one shot characters like negative tale true form i just don't care tbh i just play and uh i die, die, and die, but hey! that's part of the game isn't it?
Is a game to have fun. But it doesn't mean you should play a game with clearly flaws as a character that can overkill any player if your teammates aren't good enough to survive. and yeah, you don't need afk players but there's the reason why they mentioned it. The example he use was a bad or average player can use an afk player to get a buff and win against a good player without being able to do much about dust getting stronger just 'cause there's someone who decided to left the game open. It isn't fair.
@@Clonmare about overkill sanses, just deal with it like everyone else, i know i might be an asshole like this but what can we do till next good update? nothing we just have to deal with it... thing that i don't really like overkill sanses too! but what can we do? we just need to wait till next update...
@@Mortimer-89 I never said we as players should just start don't dealing with them. But is a clear issue, really is very tedious to play a match against a sans that can win without much issue just 'cause someone doesn't know how to dodge. I hope the next upd change dust's LV system but as is now, it is clearly unfair.
When fighting KK I just ruin the fun for everyone and use true form negatale, seeing as I despise Koffin more than SnowRing or Dull Knife, the third I hate the least.
@sfsd_ 1. nerfed 404 stick dmg means it's not the go to option anymore 2. even before the 404 stick nerfs, he can literally choose his interactions with the sheer speed rage gives. not to mention, smart horrorfells will lock in on you the SECOND you miss a swing and you'll lose either your entire life or 50 hp since horrorfell is fair and balanced and cleaver is not a broken melee!
You know swap is a old character right. As mosy old characters are absolute dog shit (besides killer) and his last upgrade makes up for his lack of uniqueness. And swap sans aint even that bad if you know how to use him correctly
@@UltraS0nic2361 Imo killer also isn’t that good and his littletale version is much better but that’s beside the point This comment is you agreeing with me but I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be a counterargument.
swap is really bad. The unique way to deal consist dmg is with the bone cage combos, cause if you don't is just luck than a chara walks in your bone rush. And yeah, he's a old character but in the old char there's per example outer, epic, fresh. Char that are very solid
You're literally dead without a dash move against Horrorfell even as Dull Knife. Sansta (And maybe Ice Sans but I've never fought one for obvious reasons) can outright permanently freeze you and helptale Chara has a slow move, which in this game is VERY powerful. P.S. F*ck Dull Knife mains.
@Papertoolsarenice well vs this new meta yea. (Tho max killer is still annoying) but I found swap easy to upgrade even with his annoying moves. Because its not hard to land bone throw.
I agree with the first one pretty much.
the xp problem yeah, it is a problem, not in started characters, in general, I'm able to max low wins characters even after low wins but that's my case. Normally I agree. someone who just left low wins may have problems.
Nega Isn't very good tbh, is a glass cannon, even standing still it drains more stamina that it uses. His reverse move only work against players who fought him for a few times or a xbox player. It is pretty counter with any ranged weapons if the user know how.
koffin k needs a nerf or make it unable to fly when there's a barrier active. It being able to just wipe 30 stamina without a drawback is OP as hell and god have mercy ifthere's more than one.
yeah, swap is the worst char in the game, being unable to save stamina, even worse than nega. and his moveset being just luck than a chara is bad enough to tank your bone rush and even if underverse is good it isn't worth 100 kills .
Koffin Ks text not letting you see the ability bar gets very annoying
Koffin. K should lose a good chunk of mischief if you use the barrier since he would view it as "cheap" or "too easy".
3:26 that poof was perfectly on beat
the "whatever this is" part really resonates with me.
who the hell likes being oneshot by an unescapeable combo?
i mean atleast in normal fighting games you can react and try to get out of the combo but this aint a fighting game. i can't do that. i just gotta watch as my hp goes down to 0 because i got hit with 1 attack.
It's not unavoidable, but it's super matchup dependent. If you don't have any mobility on your weapon, then "dodging" it, is just never approaching.
Disbelief bone users with dash:
as a guy with 19k wins in undertale last corridor i agree with mostly all points has been stated in this video massage
As a guy with 20k wins. I disagree with you completely! Not because you are wrong but because I can and it is funny.
batman we already knew about this over 2 years ago
the only point I don’t agree with is the dull knife one
seriously
how in the world do you guys struggle so much with dull knife
if you stay in your attacks (or on the other side of your attack) they can’t do anything because they have almost no ranged dmg attacks
@@Polyridofyou who is “you guys”? I rarely have to fight dull knife and I’ve never struggled against it before. I put it there because I find it really good.
Also I usually just switch to sad when fighting campers and they’ll likely not know to avoid sad poems so camping helps me
@@Papertoolsarenice most of ulc players = you guys
Another one that i would like to add (which was partially fixed) is Dustbelief terrible story.
I swear every match had like 500 bugs at the same time.
Double reppel, reppel not working against bone m1 afterhits, that one bone rain move *literally* spending your stam only to do absolutely nothing, you dying at half hp/stam for landing reppel.
The list goes on
Old, goofy looking Dustbelief Snowdin without upgrades, being able to just glide to either side of the map in a mere second because of collision issues.
I didn’t max any low win characters until I had 900 wins, don’t see a problem, and every character can oneshot with one move, or multiple.
If the characters suck with no upgrades the people wouldnt have fun plsying since you going to lose most of the time so they wont use those characters or stop playing
@@maddoxreddish4352 well, no character really sucks, it’s the balancing.
@D4tonatorS-9372 even in balanced games theres still f and s tiers somr character are objectively bad
@@maddoxreddish4352 objectively bad characters only seem bad but they really have a high skill ceiling for moderate gameplay.
@D4tonatorS-9372 so your saying little mac is good in smash bros? Some characters are just bad, they might jave a gimic, but it cant save the entire character
Here's what all dull knife emotions do if you don't know happy: gives you a ton of walk speed and attack speed depending on what phase your in but you deal less damage and takes away less stamina also the ability blinds the sans when hit (only on ph1)not sure for how long though and i forgot got the stab effect lol sad: not much just a bunch defense and slower speed also changes on your phase too (hit stab on ph2 to give toast to every chara) anger: way higher damage and takes away more stamina from the sans but you take more damage yourself stab ability will make them bleed if hit and does damage over time (better in ph2) I hope this helped sorry for yapping so much💀
Also I'm not going to do the other abilities bc there's too many and I'm lazy💀
abt dullknife: it is pretty busted, but in my opinion one of the only weapons that can replace old DT, which is good against characters who were made to hardcounter old DT (examples being dustbelief or littlehyper) which i only use it against op chars tbh.
abt dustfell or the dust evos generally: to be honest, in a server with bad teammates its not worth it teamplaying, for example, against a waterfall, its harder to fight 1v1 (and it takes way longer)
its a thing ive noticed
they really need to fix hitboxes from some box attacks, tho.
Also I do agree on the low win characters being such a pain to grind I inevitably deleted my reset just to get to grind them because most of them cannot even get a kill on a afk player whos actively being healed by teammates before being slaughtered
Another complaint is Charas get pity xp when losing sans doesnt.
Another complaint is fresh bat still instakills older models.
Another complaint is the fact that if you dont grind low win characters in the low win servers you will have to reset then delete your reset to get a second chance because even with afk players you wont get that kill as you cannot get them before being inevitably killed.
You say this, yet I was able to max all the lobby characters outside of low wins, excluding Fell, which was done through low wins.
i maxxed out all of the lobby characters except in nega in public servets
Yeah, new ulc has ALOT of issues. There are a handful of Sans’s that you can NEVER BEAT (Red, Outer, ETC)
And then the rest of them are kinda shit. Not to mention how OP the Chara team is, with weapons like Backbone, Chaos Sabers, Dull Knife, Ballet Shoes, the list goes on.
(also now i know you LITERALLY said “it’s not a skill issue” with Swap but i soloed 3 1-2k wins with upgrade 0 sooooooo)
@@joeypickering5273
I’ve beaten red before. Thing about red is that once you successfully approach her, she doesn’t have much to keep you off her.
I’ve also beaten outer, but that’s because the people I fight that unironically use outer are bad players.
I change my mind about swap sans. After playing with him a tiny bit more. I realized that bone shield has a lot of coll setups that do a bit of damage, and with how longlasting the fight is, any sort of damage goes a long way.
Though I think they should rework his upgrades.
@@PapertoolsareniceYou have a fair point, but most Red players don’t realize they can actually aim her covering the map attack slash away, forcing you to either jump or take heavy damage. You still do have a fair point, however.
1:50 - the moment of being an idiot and spamming all of your attacks without any care for an incoming attack. He got evaporated because of the amount of high dealing attacks. Dust Papaya skin is a Geno type. In other words to vaporize someone you need to land an attack, and in his case: multiple attacks.
2:36 - his attacks cost hell of a fortune, and his stamina regen speed isn't the best, plus his defensive moves can be easily avoided. Basically: good zoners are a counter to this one.
2:52 - ... OK, Koffin K IS busted, I can agree with that 100%.
3:48 - Real. I can agree with that too.
4:50 - Dull knife 3rd phase is still kinda weak imo. It's countered by camping, and happy mode m1's don't deal much dmg. It's just infinite hit/heal for Sans. Sad mode's durability is almost useless, as you can't hit Sans if he's moving, and anger mode literally makes you die faster, with already having the 60 hp. Basically: second phase is the best (The dull knife rant in a nutshell: me, who mains dull knife, backbone, and the BONKer, just tries to justify my point with selective hearing and useless argument (basically, I wasted your time)).
completely agree with you
As a former sweat player of the game, I heavily agree with most, if not all of the points stated.
*Dust characters* get the benefit of not really needing to plan as carefully as characters without the stam/hp heal on kill, on top of the points you brought up
*Starter characters* (mainly pacifist, papyrus, negatale, outer and nowadays last breath) are hard to play as due to their high stamina cost for comparably low damage output, with rarely ever good tools to keep chara team on the edge. Little (mainly because of his bonezone), science (due to his blasters), and the sloppily designed reworks are the exceptions to this.
The Snowdin dustbelief* clip just showcases the lack of proper analysis on new additions for balance, which I could go on a tangent for hours.
*True negative* is unbeatable for different reasons to murder sans, while murder can blind the enemy and destroy them in a couple seconds with his blasters (which you have to bait at every interaction to survive), true negative has a strong camping tool that has essentially no cooldown, high damage blasters with good coverage, a general confusion tool that is as good if not better than murder's blindness, and bone advantage which is essentially free damage.
*Koffin K* is a general annoyance to deal with as sans thanks to the debuff attacks and the flying abilities making them generally harder to hit, and due to his ease of playability he's also not very engaging to play as, with or without patience. HP characters getting demolished is not exclusive to Koffin K though, a good chunk of weapon reworks are just busted in damage for no reason.
*Swap Sans* without UV is dogwater because of his lack of focused attack tools. His entire toolkit is just map attack after map attack. The bonezone is not threatening because it's blue (and they can just jump to move inside of it) and the bone shield is barely a stamina surplus when you stand still for the entirety of it, nevermind it getting broken early. His ONLY good move is the bonethrow, which is ruined due to its lengthy cooldown. -that being said UV Swap is by far the most fun i've had with a character so he's worth it-
*Dull knife* on top of being stupidly powerful with their abilities, also has the added bonus of having _210 health_ which, even if they were to stay as a singular emotion or just not use any abilities, would still make them way better than other weapons if only because of his tankiness.
Anything other points you've mentioned but I didn't bring up, I probably completely agree with.
That being said, the game's flaws run way deeper than these, and there's a plethora of points I haven't heard you or anyone in the community bring up.
Thanks for shedding some light on these flaws regardless, it's important to keep pointing at what is not good design.
In 3rd life dull knife u can use red hands in furious and then switch to manic to be faster than the sans
Thing is.
Ruins dust sucks even if the whole team has skill issue, he won't deal enough dmg to get a single kill.
2:29 oh hey thats me
I can’t believe I maxed out little tale in high wins server
same I got BUGED in fr =>
As waterfall dust main i confirm thath first one is bull#### base dust moveset without kills is kinda bad and spear is to isolate rushers since you get rushed so easy aslo thath why you got a blink to run from rushers counter is to punish rushers for agresive bahivior with sans +1 kill and some stamina bone spears lets you get a breathe from rushers and if your playing more aggerise is good for area denial like memory blaster and block the path were the guy is going blaster is harder to hit beacuze of waterfall being x2 the size of normal last corridor so if you know how to handle a dust and be patient wich your rushdown +dont froget spear only has 3 uses before it turns into melle and it’s harder to hit beacuze of map aslo most of people dont understand thath you have about 5 min to kill him its enoguh to bait a lot of attacks and stamina and thath why cryes about it is just incompitent
Additional true negatale sans attacks is very dodgable
@@iliasherstov1584 YES 🙌 THESE ARE THE COMMENTS IM LOOKING FOR ‼️ THANK YOU 🙏
@@iliasherstov1584 if I didn’t already have a comment pinned I would definitely pin this
Btw pro tip to increase content quality get obs recorder beacuze when you use roblox recorder i can see induvidial pixels and audio is cryspy put text lower so footage can be seen and dont use swears too often since you can get your pay cutrd off
As the person who put FPKiller on the wiki (well the screenshots) yeah it’s just a glorified skin
man i remember in the old days of ulc swap sans used to be so pay2 win
DT is easy cheese for him tho ? Especially now cause his shield is just free dt%
Also on true form you can win with corner camping every game it’s so brou
I have 6000 exp on swap sans and ye uv Preety good I love jumpscare noobs with big daddy blaster
Any character with karma and blasters will kill dull knife, I don’t see an issue.
That requires the Dull Knife to be ass at the game to be true, otherwise you're just cooked unless the character you're using is also OP as balls.
@@The-Core-of-Time-and-Space aim.
@@D4tonatorS-9372 That requires the character you're using to have a pretty fast blaster.
@@The-Core-of-Time-and-Space literally doesn’t have to be fast, I’ve beaten dull with literally every character
@@D4tonatorS-9372 I feel bad for the Dull Knifer that died to you as Littletale Sans, dispite how much I hate them.
the spear isnt really hard to dodge
and im kinda bad
"lv mechanic sucks!!!" dude this isn't about a game where you solo, its about you beating a boss, we can say raid boss in this context because you shouldn't win solo. So you have to have good teammates.
@@Aajd549 “lv mechanic sucks! And I’m going to explain why I think it sucks, but in a tone that sounds like I disagree with you!”
@@Papertoolsarenice yes
about swap sand
he was pretty good last time i played him (pre sins of the past tho)
3:20 no i’m so fr rn he’s not bad
I am koffin k's number 1 hater
Underverse swap.
I don't like koffin k, so i just run away from him, he's just gonna waste it his time lol if i just run in the opposite direction of the barrier warning he won't be able to do anything lol, swap sans? eh, decent enough in my opinion, could be good if used right but you are not always going to win (this is with every character) if you got at least 30 just be glad, don't like dull knife too so i just aim dull first, i still don't know how to deal with the new trident
edit: about dust: snowdin is stronger than waterfall and uh, i don't have any problems with dust, are playing the game for one billion dollars or just to have fun? and about afk players, you don't need them, the more you play with a character the more skill you will get (yes even with base)
about the one shot characters like negative tale true form i just don't care tbh i just play and uh i die, die, and die, but hey! that's part of the game isn't it?
Is a game to have fun. But it doesn't mean you should play a game with clearly flaws as a character that can overkill any player if your teammates aren't good enough to survive. and yeah, you don't need afk players but there's the reason why they mentioned it. The example he use was a bad or average player can use an afk player to get a buff and win against a good player without being able to do much about dust getting stronger just 'cause there's someone who decided to left the game open. It isn't fair.
@@Clonmare about overkill sanses, just deal with it like everyone else, i know i might be an asshole like this but what can we do till next good update? nothing we just have to deal with it... thing that i don't really like overkill sanses too! but what can we do? we just need to wait till next update...
@@Mortimer-89 I never said we as players should just start don't dealing with them. But is a clear issue, really is very tedious to play a match against a sans that can win without much issue just 'cause someone doesn't know how to dodge. I hope the next upd change dust's LV system but as is now, it is clearly unfair.
When fighting KK I just ruin the fun for everyone and use true form negatale, seeing as I despise Koffin more than SnowRing or Dull Knife, the third I hate the least.
Haha, horrorfell spike wave and trap go brrrrrrrr
hi horrorfell from horrorfell
stick 404 + bravery go brrrr
@@sfsd_ fair.
@sfsd_
1. nerfed 404 stick dmg means it's not the go to option anymore
2. even before the 404 stick nerfs, he can literally choose his interactions with the sheer speed rage gives. not to mention, smart horrorfells will lock in on you the SECOND you miss a swing and you'll lose either your entire life or 50 hp since horrorfell is fair and balanced and cleaver is not a broken melee!
Papyrus has like six skins and only one of them makes him worth using.
Papyrus is fucking busted what are you in about
Posessed sans.
Stay on your bone spin until it's almost over
Then use the vines
@@guerranoturna5860 vines + Trap one dude between them vines + bones + blasters ggezwp
Possessed sans is not good
@@Papertoolsarenice you either never found any good possesed sans or u lyin thats all
honestly, pretty true
SAAAAAAANESSS
You know swap is a old character right. As mosy old characters are absolute dog shit (besides killer) and his last upgrade makes up for his lack of uniqueness. And swap sans aint even that bad if you know how to use him correctly
@@UltraS0nic2361 Imo killer also isn’t that good and his littletale version is much better but that’s beside the point
This comment is you agreeing with me but I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be a counterargument.
swap is really bad. The unique way to deal consist dmg is with the bone cage combos, cause if you don't is just luck than a chara walks in your bone rush. And yeah, he's a old character but in the old char there's per example outer, epic, fresh. Char that are very solid
You're literally dead without a dash move against Horrorfell even as Dull Knife. Sansta (And maybe Ice Sans but I've never fought one for obvious reasons) can outright permanently freeze you and helptale Chara has a slow move, which in this game is VERY powerful.
P.S. F*ck Dull Knife mains.
@Clonmare epic,swap and fresh are all due for reworks.
@Papertoolsarenice well vs this new meta yea. (Tho max killer is still annoying) but I found swap easy to upgrade even with his annoying moves. Because its not hard to land bone throw.
Mimimimi
UV swap isn't all that bad compared to swap
I'm the 100th sub
I didn’t max any low win characters until I had 900 wins, don’t see a problem, and every character can oneshot with one move, or multiple.