A Court of Mist and Fury is the WORST of the ACOTAR series| Rant Review
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I read the second book in the A Court of Thornes and Roses series and wow it is so much worse than the first one! +1 point for actually having a plot -50 points for the "romance" at the center. In this video I ranted for over an hour and half about the plot of this book and all my thoughts.
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I feel like the author didn’t need to character assassinate Tamlin to get Feyra and Rysand together.
No, but she can't break up with him unless he's abusive and evil obviously?? It's SJM and unless it's abusive it has to be true love. 😅
It's what she does, and she did it with Chaol in Throne of Glass too. She seems to be under the impression that everyone needs to jump ship and be on board, and the easiest way to do that is make the previous love interest do a 180.
That what happened to Dain in fourth wings. Like his whole character was created for sole reason for (idiot) readers to easily choose the main couple.
‘Yeah Dain is bad Xander is good. So choose the brooding badboy’ like no nuance at all. If u want to make a love triangle make it made sense. Make the readers also rooting for the 2nd guy 😑
Thank you!!!
She kind of did though. The strategy with these types of stories is to have an example of an even more abusive partner so the reader is tricked into accepting the slightly less abusive behavior, or the differently framed abusive behavior, of the main love interest.
Tamlin getting no space for his ptsd while Feyre and Rhys get miles always bothered me. Not because I was particularly rooting for him but because he's clearly suffering and floundering and it is framed as entirely his fault. His being driven to "villainy" because of his trauma could've been explored in a poignant way, but nope.
This was one of my biggest complaints about the series! I haven't read the 5th book because I couldn't stand the double standards that continued through the novella.
@@boldphoenix1don't read it, it gets worse. I hated everyone in that book.
THIS! Every time I see him being shit on in booktok videos while Rhysand is simultaneously glorified I want to cry. I think we maybe shouldn't be holding literary fiction standards to YA romance lmao
Imagine the power couple Tamlin and Feyre would have been if they worked through their trauma together and came out stronger :o
This is why I'm in camp "Tamlin Deserves Therapy Too", I'm someone with anger issues and I empathized with Tamlin. Then hearing people say 'oh he's a monster and has too much rage' it became personal. So I will say he has done some bad stuff, but he's done far less than Feyre and Rhysand and he deserves a break.
Yes!!! And that stand point intensifies ten fold when it comes to Nesta!!! It’s only okay to have PTSD if you act in and damage yourself, it’s not okay to have PTSD if you act out. Also sometimes the hot high lord closes his eyes and decides who can and can’t have mental health issues lols
She also describes (seemingly) asexual characters as heartless bc they don't need sex
That's weird I thought sex isn't showing love so shouldn't aromantic who have sex be the evil people? 🤔
@@mittag983 idk it's twisted logic regardless.
@@sleepysadpoet I know but still it's illogical and doesn't make sense what Penders said
@@mittag983 but then that would imply that people who aren't actively romantically in love with another are... temporarily evil??? idek how people rationalize the whole "aroace is evil" rhetoric 😭😭😭😭
@@jussalilguy Not aroace aromantic I just said it would make more sense if Penders thought that was evil someone having sex without feeling love because sex can hurt people a lot lol
I’m on my Team Tam bullshit. Move out of the way girlies I am on the WARPATH. Not because he would have been better for Feyre, not because I think they deserve each other (honestly none of them deserve anything except Lucien who deserves the world), but because SJM spent hundreds and hundreds of pages in the first book getting her audience invested in this specific dweeb and stakes that involved killing and dying for him, only to throw it all back in their faces. Oh all of that was for nothing then? I feel like I’ve been spat on and laughed at. Not only that but to justify it by making him basically a completely different person in the second book? That’s just a horrible decision for everyone involved, nonsensical, immersion-breaking, weak move, cowardly, patronising, gaslight gatekeep girlboss get outta here. And there was so much POTENTIAL. So much that could have been interesting and rich, luscious with depth and poignance to give the changes in his behaviour real grounding and (ir)rationality rooted in the _horrendous ordeal_ he just went through - but no. Suddenly he’s just a one dimensional villain so we can clear space for a new hotboy. Tamlin deserved better not from the consequences of his stupid shitty actions but from the author who so lovingly created and so abruptly and brutally abandoned him. I’ve never read any of these and I probably never will. Justice for that dumb blond fuck. Hashtag not my Tamlin
Please never stop talking, this is the truth the world needs to hear 📢📢📢
We’re in this together! I will die on this fucking hill for real. People hating Tamlin from one second to the next without stopping to reflect on what the author did wrong is such an ick. And god FORBID you say something even a little positive about the character. Like, are we sheep?
@@michellecgb and it is always the same people who use Rhysand's trauma as an excuse for how he treated and continues to treat Feyre... like it is okay for Rhysand to literally SA her and physically abuse her bc he was being hurt but it isn't okay for Tamlin who saw her die, who was forced to watch her be humiliated and assaulted and abused for weeks, who was hurt himself, to be controlling and possessive and abusive... IT ISN'T OKAY FOR EITHER OF THEM TO DO WHAT THEY DID BUT AT LEAST TAMLIN HAD TO DEAL WITH ACTUAL FUCKING CONSEQUENCES!!!
@@aficklefangirl2566 A-FUCKING-MEN. People are sooo close-minded about Tamlin, they perceive no depth or nuance in his character and I understand that's mostly SJM'S fault, but if I could see the complexity on my first read through, surely anyone else could find it if they open their minds just a little instead of adopting the feelings and opinions of other characters (everyone except Lucien, who's the only character who still acknowledges the good in Tamlin and his trauma).
I agree with all of the points stated!
Tamlin is my favorite character, I don't agree with all of his actions, but he's my fave nonetheless.
"why a Pisces should not write a sprawling high fantasy series" Me a Pisces, nodding through my tears SHE'S RIGHT GUYS.
As a Pisces moon, it was honestly a self-read 😂
Came here to write the same comment 😂😂 I screamed when you said that lmao
me, a pisces moon and aspiring author, sweating profusely
my Pisces sun is CRYING, but my Leo Moon is like: I've already worked as an editor and journalist and I CAN DO IT
It hurt me in the feels… but they’re not wrong at all
One thing I'll never forgive SJM is destroying Lucien and Tamlins relationship as well. Like it wasn't enough to destroy Tamlin and Feyre already.
They were a family, a chosen family. Tamlin saved Lucien from his real family who were about to murder him and even gave him a position of power in his court. He was the closest person Tamlin had before Feyre entered the picture. I want justice for their relationship as well 🤬
i wish lucien was the main character, can you imagine how stressing his story would be (and more entertaining)? your "Friend" lord is a loose gun, you watching his wife lady fall apart, your family washed their hand of you and your dad is unhinged, you're both helpless but want to use your small influence to help
his situation is kinda giving theon greyjoy to the starks
I would’ve died for Lucien and Feyre to grow really close and have a super close best friendship bond and then escape Tamlin together and heal, causing him to realize that he needs to get help and isn’t ready for a relationship! Like they could’ve had such a cute friendship, they could’ve been the really strong platonic bond we would’ve actually cared about
Keep in mind, Rhys is as much as a Feminist as Andrew Tate is. He only gives the illusion of choice so it greatly benefits himself or he gets to sleep with someone.
Tamlin, for all his faults, at least tried to save Feyre the best ways he knew how. It’s funny how so many people over look that Fey asked tan to not talk about what happened UtM or make her High Lady. But… there we go.
Honestly I think that's a bit unfair to Rhys. In the end I see him as just as much a victim of SJM's terrible writing as Tamlin. The author was the true villain of the story
@@jackrichardson9863 EWWW!
uNfAiR tO rHyS the icky king!!! 🤢
I WISH !!!
Not to mention that Rhys LITERALLY OWNS FEYRE!!
I wanna say, as a teacher, this is exactly what I noticed. We do the same thing to our students lol. The illusion of choice but all the outcomes are something we still want/need them to do 😂 it's crazy when people don't realize this
I can't, for my life , see Feyre wanting to return to the human world and Rhys supporting that.
this was a DELIGHT and also SO validating; I remember when I was fourteen and first reading these everyone was like "oh yeah the second book is so much better" and then the second book just gaslights us into thinking we didn't read the last book lmao
I was about fifteen when the first book came out, thought it was just okay, LOVED the second book and now look back in my twenties and question my taste 😅
No literally I was so confused…because I liked the first book so much more and was like oh so we’re just ditching tamlins story altogether that we spent so much time on the last book lol
That's why I felt so validated the moment she called this "A Court of Thorns and Retcon".
I'm in the ACOTAR fandom, and the group chat girlies would *not* survive this video. I'm always the one pointing this shit out, and they're the ones kissing Rhys and Feyre's feet
Keep doing the lord’s work (bringing logic to the ACOTAR fandom) 🙌🏽
Hmm I actually think that the vast majority of this fandom knows that the books are junk literature. But they are still lots of fun. Like a stupid reality show or fast food.
@@radix2830 yes, but I still think these things are worth examining
@@radix2830A lot of them don't, though... Some fans are pretty vicious in comments when people call out Rhys and Feyre.
@@radix2830 nah ive seen people genuinely be offended over people outside the fandom criticizing rhysand and feyre
Oh no. Not sperm. SEED. Seeds spreading everywhere. No condoms, all seeds.
Why, Maas? Why?
They do explain at some point that there's a tea they take for contraception... That apparently the "males" (God, I hate that word) can take too. I don't remember where, but it's mentioned in passing
@@fuunosenshi well that’s good, but the mess is still egregious lol
@@angryotter9129 and don't forget they never clean up after, it's gross
@@fuunosenshi Every time the word male appeared, I had a small seizure of shame and made a note in the word every time I saw it in the book, every time the term came up, I lost a part of my sanity
I am a person who would be described as "pale" in a story. The only thing the sun does to me is make me look like a lobster. My skin tone changes from "no melanin" to "crispy".
Please, not crispy 😭
@@NeidaTeresa Only spf 100 can save me 😂
I look rather pale when I am not tanned, but I actually easily tan when it is sunny enough and never sunburned in my life
@@KateeAngel Ah see I am superior to you all (/jk). I could force werewolves to transform by mooning them, I'm that pale, AND I transform into a lobster, and once I'm done lobstering then I have a lovely tan for a few weeks.
Yep, I have to earn my tan through going crispy first.
I’m pale in the winter and the more time I spend in the sun the darker I get. 🤷🏻♀️
I mean no disrespect, but many mediterraneans with lighter skin color get a tan in the summer, and if SJM does derive "inspirations" from North Africa + the Middle East, that theory does check out. I am saying that as someone from that region who has a much lighter skin color during the winter compared to summer. That being said, I'm 100% sure she forgot that she described that dude's skin color in the first book and decided on his backstory etc after he became a more central character in the books.
Also, withcindy had a mental breakdown in reviewing acotar series, I hope at the end of these review series your mental health will be okay.
This also happens to some of us Latinos and I’ve heard some indigenous Americans say this as well! I wasn’t sure if I should point it out so ty for already saying it lmao but yeah it is actually fairly common to lose a lot of coloration in the winter and gain it back in the summer
@@pinkradiohandlerr yup, happens to me too. the only reason I don't change that much is cause I don't really spend much time outside
I had also thought that Illyria in ACOTAR was supposed to be more like Albania, Greece, Macedonia, etc. like where Illyrians in actual Earth history lived. If that were the case, being pale in the winter and dark in the summer would make more sense.
@@rachecologyoh god the fact that Albania is included along that 😭 I already had the representation in The Mister made by EL James and I don't need or want any more. Why do both of the only depictions I know that vaguely include Albanians feature them all as misogynistic a-holes. At the very least, with SJM it isn't specifically Albania, meanwhile with EL James it was.
That being said, me and my pale pale relatives can get tans in the sun. I've never seen anybody go into super deep, browned tans though, and my relatives are farmers.
@ettaetta439 Yeah, unfortunately it's not often that you see good representation 🥲 My bf and his family are Albanian, and while they do tan (except him lol) they don't really get darker than a very tan northern European.
THANK YOU FOR DEFENDING MY BOY LUCIEN!!! Everyone was so unfair to that man . He couldn't really do anything against Tamlin! And he tried!! And he cared!! Justice for the ginger man 😭
I love him! I'm almost happy she seemed to get bored of him bc then she couldn't squander the potential like she did with Rhys😪
RETWEET. Even though ACOFAS completely destroyed any interest I still had in that series I still do love Lucien and view his wasted potential as a blessing because sjm couldn't fuck him up like she did to every other character
BRO I HATED IT WHEN LUCIEN WAS PRESENTED AS EVILL
Why would he ever do anything against Tamlin?!?? 🙄 Weirdo FAN(atic) kids everywhere
he was the only character i liked in the series 😂i stopped reading halfway into the 3rd book but lucien seemed alright and not overly sexual not a fan of how she tried to shoehorn the sisters getting into relationships so badly
"She might have had to reckon with the horrific and patriarchal practices of white people, which she's not gonna do." 100% this.
I could describe Rhys' "feminism" with a phrase "male saviour"
This is so on point lol
Haha, tell that too blind FAN(atics) 40+ 50+ aunties with a underdeveloped frontal cortex, continuously kissing fEyra & Rhys' feet BC the so called AUTHOR SAID SO... 🤡
Abuse survivoe and trained advocate - The biggest issue with this book is actually not Tamlin because his patterns account for only 10% of abusers. Rhysand's accounts for 90% of abusers. So many instances where Rhysand gaslit Feyre "Oh, I thought we were over what happened Under the Mountain" thereby glossing over her trauma, trauma HE himself caused.
Can we discuss how Feyre had the exact same trigger panic attack response in the CON but instead she dissociated to cope? Which Rhysand knew bc of the "bond". And she said "I became that wild dark thing in that high lord's arms". So, sexual objectification becomes "empowering" somehow. And how he made the "whore" comment all about himself and gets angry at her after?
Can we discuss how he knew about the mating bond for months and allowed her to get sick and weak and how he admitted to spying on her naked with the bond? Or how he turns everything into a creepy sexual innuendo. Or how everything is a manipulation where he uses her for situations without communicating anything? These are literally real patterns by abusers.
Ever notice how HIS trauma is prioritized when she finds him after his nightmare and kisses him and shows him kindness. But then he tells her "only you decide what breaks you" which is basically another way of gaslighting and minimizing a woman's trauma. And how she strokes his ego which he props up all the time and brags about himself?
Can we discuss how Rhysand mansplains all his abuse of her in a long monologue detailing his oh so sad tragic past. And I absolutely hate this because victims of abuse have no right or justification to abuse others. And there was literally no legitimate reason for Rhysand to treat Feyre like a stripper. And he even admitted that he would have r&ped her if given a chance and he played "savior" by saying his "claim to innocence" was the fact that he only touched her on her waist and arms? Seriously? UGH!
He admits it, too. He literally says that he treated her like crap UTM because "I was jealous and I love you". And this is somehow feminist when the women have to SERVE the men food to accept the bond? Or can we discuss how the bond makes women sick and weak but somehow conveniently spares the men?
This whole book was a garbage fire of glorified abuse. And the main point was Rhysand telling Feyre "jump" and she says "how high?"
@EmilybShore I only got two books into the series because of this. The poor writing and internal logic was enough to turn me off, but Feyre and Rhys' relationship disgusted me. He was irredeemably awful and controlling.
FINALLY someone discusses the blatant character assassination of Tamlin from one book to the next. The guy became a different character and people were like “okay we hate him now” and that’s it??? No, I feel terrible for him even if I don’t agree with his actions. The sole fact that he was given no opportunity to process his own trauma and Feyre had all the support in the world ircks me. Not to mention she REFUSED to open up to him and failed to understand his trauma responses (as much as he failed to understand hers), but somehow that’s also his fault?
If you think Tamlin became a different character between book 1 and book 2, you clearly weren't paying attention in book 1. That's pretty much the entire point of book 2, it provides perspective to Feyre and her situation and what she is entitled to as a person. In book 1 she needed protecting, she needed her quiet space to paint and be alone, with the constant danger of being a human in Prythian, especially during Amarantha's reign, she thrived under the protection and safety of Tamlin's watchful and possessive presence. Book 2 flips that on its head. The danger is more or less passed, Feyre has an immortal body, she's learned more about the the spring court and prythian as a whole and wants to see it for herself. None of these new circumstances fit the paradigm that Tamlin had set. She is no longer the same person and she no longer has the same needs. What can be good traits for some are toxic in others. It's clear Tamlin took his possessiveness too far. No matter how long it took Feyre to deal with her trauma, she never trapped and abused others. Plus it's pretty clear she just didnt know Tamlin all that well. I think the Tithe was a clear eye opener for her. And that's very normal. Sometimes you'll be dating someone for months and suddenly you find out they have some weird, backwards political opinion that just makes you question their values as a human. Learning you vehemently disagree with or dislike a person after their true colors are revealed isn't character assassination or an arbitrary character flip. Honestly that plot point is one of the more relatable things i've read in her books.
@@BBS-dl1lt When you start your argument insulting my intelligence over an opinion I have about a character by saying “I wasn’t paying attention”, I instantly don’t care what you have to say, so I didn’t read any of that; you wasted your time.
@@michellecgb if being called out for not paying attention is something you consider to be a deep insult of your intelligence, that’s on you.
@@BBS-dl1lt I was calling out your intention to be insulting, but I wasn’t insulted at all by an online stranger, so don’t worry.
@@michellecgb on the contrary, there was no intent to insult, as evidenced by the total lack of insult in my comment. Now it just feels like you’re being defensive and projecting…
That trope of the girls straight up abandoning their families for their newfound boyfriends is actually one of the driving forces behind my first book... which is also a Beauty and the Beast retelling but has them trapped together through no fault of his and has her slowly grow to love him but adamantly refuse to admit it because she knows she'll have to leave her family behind and she can't do that. Ah, the internal conflict! I don't know why so many stories give the heroines mediocre families when the potential conflict is RIGHT THERE.
Your book sounds amazing!! Good luck with it :))
@@alicegilelach6056 it's been out for almost 4 years and is doing quite well! 😅 20 more books since then.
What's it called? It sounds interesting!@@katemacdonald3765
@@katemacdonald3765 what's the name?
@@belflorxochitl5851 The Rose and the Thorn by Katherine Macdonald! 😊
"when did tamlin become a fiscal conservative" 💀had to pause the video to laugh at this one girlie
Still, Tamlin >>>>>>>> fEmiNiSt kiNg🤡
Rhys
And lastly (I’m sorry), Tamlin may have feared she would have been more powerful than him, but his main concern was that other HLs would find out about her powers and track her down and kill her, including the HL of the Autumn Court.
You're right on everything, 100%. Also, why the king of Hybern (later called just "Hybern") wants to enslave mortals? Because he's EVIL (insert evil laugh). There's no other explanation. None. In any of these books.
It’s because SJM has a weird thing about slavery being in her books! It feels like every series has to have a heavy slave aspect.
it's SO insane to me that (either in acomaf or acowar i can't recall exactly) feyre is like "how DARE they believe that my KING rhysand would SA me they're SO horrible" like??
(1) so you would rather they don't believe you? so you would rather you imply that he r/ped you and them go "no he didn't, stop lying"?? is that what you want, feyre??
(2) feyre, they believe that he assaulted you because HE LITERALLY DID. he literally sexually assaulted you under the mountain at multiple points (and not always for an audience, not that the audience would excuse it in the first place) and they literally saw it happen. of fucking course they believe he would do that, because he has before. like girl??
"They believed me when I implied Rhysand assaulted me??? Another thing they'll pay for." Wow how girlboss of you Feyre, yaass queen how dare they not assume you're lying about being r*ped
"Imagine you miss the tax deadline and the IRS shows up to your house with swords and machine guns, and exterminates your entire bloodline."
💀💀💀.
Bless the Algorithm for bringing me to you.
I'm at 19:12 right now, and I will say: Tamlin didn't say that there *couldn't* be a high lady, just that there was no such thing as a high lady -- because there isn't. High Lordship is chosen by magic, and until such times that magic chooses a woman, there'll be no high lady. Tamlin asks if Feyre wants a title, but she, in her own internal monologue, recoils at the idea of having the responsibility that Tamlin has.
Feyre monologues a lot about her problems, but she doesn't *vocalise* it. She refuses to express herself, because as much as everyone blames Tamlin for not speaking, she flatly refuses to communicate, either. The whole "Oh, no, I'm just going to be a trophy wife, a doll forced to wear dresses and host parties and drink wine!" And, it's like... first off, sign me up. Second off, this is literally just inside your head, please get therapy. I swear, if she actually talked to Tamlin on subjects that *weren't* related to his trauma of watching her get brutally tortured then murdered, he'd be far more understanding. The only person she talks with is Ianthe, and Ianthe is a snake, so I'm not sure what she expected, there.
As for the water wraiths, there's a bit more going on there than you give credit for. The wraiths are just cursed to forever glut after food. They're not hungry, they just can't stop eating, and the reason why there's no fish for the Tithe is because they can't stop eating all the fish. Alis tells Feyre that nobody gives them any help because all that help vanishes in the face of their unquenchable appetite. Giving them gold and jewels did nothing, because all they do is eat and eat and eat. Furthermore, the Tithe is kind of fair. A whole lake of water wraiths only have to pay a single bucket of fish, because it's based on their class and income, and if they cannot pay in six months, at the most they'll just pay next Tithe. The whole situation is treated far worse than it actually is, at least by Feyre. He's not going to kill any of them.
When it comes to Feyre wanting to join Tamlin on the border issue is... kind of stupid? Like, I get that it must be so horrible living in a lavish mansion with access to the nearby villages so long as she has a guard along side with her. However, what use is an illiterate girl who is starving herself and has zero experience in combat when it comes to border disputes? She's going to get people killed. Could she do anything else? Perhaps, but she shows no interest in doing anything. She wanted to do something, but refused to even learn how to *read*... and then people blame Tamlin for not teaching her how to read, despite the fact that he offers to teach her, repeatedly. Can't really be a girlboss if you refuse to actually learn anything about the world you're in, the people you wanna help, refuse to even learn how to read, which is required for any administrative aid you might think of doing. The only skills Feyre has is hunting (can't hunt because there are major threats out there that she straight up can't deal with, especially with her refusing to take care of herself), and painting (which she refuses to do).
EDIT: at video end. Tamlin has every reason to believe Rhysand has brainwashed Feyre. Not only has Rhysand cultivated an image of a depraved and cruel individual who plays with minds like putty, but Tamlin already knows Rhysand has a predatory interest in Feyre with his actions UTM. Feyre herself refuses to elaborate in any way that *doesn't* make her sound like she's been brainwashed. She sends a letter telling Tamlin to leave her alone, but Tamlin knows she cannot read (even after trying to help her read), and the way she tells him to fuck off reads like any hostage note in existence. There's probably an element of denial, too. He wants to believe she's been mind-fucked.
The whole deal with Tamlin's trauma is that it feeds into every action he has. Anger issues? Trauma. Controlling? Trauma. Over-protectiveness? Trauma. Bro was sexually harassed/abused by Amarantha, had his entire court fucked over because of Amarantha, was forced to send his people out to die in a desperate bid to save everyone else, was forced to seduce and manipulate a woman over ulterior motives, watched the woman he fell in love with be tortured, abused, and humiliated without being able to do anything about it, watched her die in front of him.... yeah. Honestly, most of his worst behaviour could be solved with basic therapy addressing his trauma. He's a naturally good person at heart, but he's traumatised, and, most of all, being looked at through the lens of someone who hates his guts. He's even blamed things he didn't even do, and half the things he does do are overblown.
I know it doesn't matter, because people were hurt, but the accusation of physical abuse levied at him doesn't work when the actual thing he did he has zero control over. It's like blaming a man for killing cats because he's cursed so that every time he sneezes a cat dies. Tamlin could learn to control his emotions, but it's *feeling* these emotions that cause the magical outburst. Compare that to an abusive boyfriend who *chose* to punch a hole in the wall or slap their partner, Tamlin *literally* can't control himself.
This. Everything you just said. The high lady argument gets old fast dude. Like literally he was making a statement of reality and people took it as he forced Feyre to be nothing but a housewife
I rememeber there was some discourse about fanartists whitewashing Rhys and Cassian in their designs. As a brown person myself, I would encourage them to please do so, we do not need this representation in any form, please whitewash away 😂😂😂
NOOO FRRR it’s painful 😭😭
as a person with milky white skin that gets light brown in the sun.... I feel attacked lmaoooo
Funny enough- anyone notice that Amren and Mor are just there? And they don't do anything? It's like honorary titles that mean nothing while the men have clear roles and you actually see them fulfilling their roles while Mor just stands around in her sexy outfits and gossips and puts down other women? And all Amren does is drink a little blood and he puts down the two dark-skinned women, Nuala and Ceridwen. Oh yeah, the two dark-skinned women who emphasized Feyre's white saviorism in book one by traumatizing her with painting her naked body against her will.
Tamlin’s 180 was such lazy writing. And tbh Rhys is just as bad.
I havent actually read these books but ive watched and read a lot of stuff shitting on them, and is it just me or does all this intense sexism just suddenly materialize in the second book for the sake of making Rhysand a hashtag feminist king, like istg it wasnt there in the first book
yeah?? there’s no mention of no High Ladies and no women in power and whatever else, and even earlier in ACOMAF when Feyre asks about becoming High Lady, to me at least, she seems relieved? Like she didn’t want to have all the power and responsibility? and it wasn’t a “Tamlin being a misogynistic pig” thing, he just said that High Ladies don’t exist. And also it’s established that the best suited blood relation is magically chosen as High Lord, and if the magic doesn’t choose High Ladies it doesn’t choose High Ladies, and there’s nothing the characters can do about it? Which is a very weird choice SJM made but it’s probably safe to assume it’s just so that Rhys can be our feminist king and saviour to give an unqualified person who can barely read and write (and is a child by their standards) the utmost position of power to show what a good guy he is.
@@teethviii7358 LMFAO, true
I did want to comment!
SJM did in fact use real-world places. Illyrians were a real-world Indo-European ethnic group and part of the Balkans! Hybern is Hibernia which means Ireland. Illyrians also existed in Greek mythology and a few places, but Illyria was still REAL. Illyrians were REAL. It doesn’t sit right with me that SJM took a group of very real people in history and turned them into a misogynistic race with zippo nuance outside “the good ones”. 🙄😤
Oh my goodness I didn’t know that! I did know the thing about Hybern in Ireland and I was like……… the king of Ireland…. Is trying to take over and enslave the ENGLISH?!?! Not literally but hybern is roughly the shape of Ireland and Prythian is roughly the shape of England so🫠Mama said revision history for everybody
EXACTLY. Illyrians had NOTHING to do with any nOrTh AfriCa or any west Asia ( what they call, miDdLe eAst which is again technically incorrect ). They were the OG Balkan aka SOUTHEAST EUROPEANS before s.l.a.v.i.c people arrived in those areas. R.I.P. History. R.I.P Anthropology & f.k.¢ Maas aunty.
11:33 - basically I thought multiple times that series could be renamed "A court of apartheid and racism", all with that racial hierarchy among fairies, the wall being presented as the best way to keep piece between humans and fairies and all notable humans being turned into fairies etc etc
the author really does Tamlin dirty throughout the whole series. I understand the idea of falling for another guy was the intention but if faera is known as the "curse breaker" why not try to break the curse of misogyny by standing up to Tamlin more or proving there was a better way to rule than how just the "old way". Also Rhys says "its your choice" but when the options are basically 1. listen to him, or 2. punishment/death, what options do you have. He gives off the ILLUSION of choice while really only bettering himself and his needs, they just happen to allign with those he cares for.
Also for a huge book we don't learn anything about Hyburn's country, how they work and why the king has all the pieces of the caldron. Or why the strongest thing is a cauldron or even if its a bathtub, stew pot, or witch cauldron. It would have been great to have Faera hear info from other characters like Azriel mentioning that his spies have heard that the Autumn and Dawn courts(cause random) is rechecking their vault because something was missing after they returned from under the mountain. Then since Faera was Tamlin's fiancé she would have noticed that Tamlin had a leg of the caldron too. Have him tell her a story of how the first fairies were made, or how the cauldron created the world, SOMETHING.
It's interesting you said Cassian became Lucian and Lucian became someone else, cause SJM literally said she was originally going to have Lucian be Nesta's mate, not Cassian.
Thank you! I felt stupid while reading all of it because books gaslighted me into thinking that maybe I don't understand feminism ahahah
'This is why you should never let a Pisces write a sprawling high fantasy.'
If you didn't like Rhys in that book... *looks at silver flames* Oh girl it's gonna be hell of a ride
ok as a white person who works outside I would like to say I do get quite tan, but like that's because I spend HOURS outside in the sun every day. I can't imagine just the presence of the sun would make him that much darker. Maybe if there was textual evidence to him spending loads of time outside it would make sense, but as is it seems like a retcon.
you don't get it, he's using fairy spray tan 🤣
The fact that Rhysand is hailed as a feminist king, but does nothing for women that are being abused in his court never ceases to baffle me.
Also the scene where Rhysand wanted to get down with Feyre in the library, a safe place for victims of sexual assault, is horrendous.
Also, also, Rhysand being "the most powerful High Lord," and being hated by the 2/3 of his court is funny. And the fact that his "Inner Circle" of cronies reeks of nepotism.
The way Rhysand will literally break Keir's bones for calling Feyre his whore _when he wants him to think she's his whore_ but does nothing to protect the Illyrian women still being mutilated under his nose
Or the fact that, in the first book, he twisted Feyre’s already broken arm until she agreed to his deal (so much for choice I guess), marks her without her consent, forces her to drink and give lap dances, and touches her inappropriately! How am I supposed to root for this guy when he’s already a dick in the first book? Even when he explains why he did that, *he doesn’t apologize for any of it*. Apparently only hypersexual women are assaulters and men can screw around all they want with no regard for consent.
@@emackenzie 😂😂😂
This is the first time ive seen someone speak abt orientalism in acotar. Crazy!
Orientalism? Is that racism towards Asian people?
The treatment of Lucien in this series enraged me so fkn much- i hated every single book but my friend loved it so much she convinced me to finish it- i'm upset with myself😂
Not for me but like you do you girlie
I LOVE that you mentioned that it felt like the author decided she hated Tam and ade Rhys the love interest. I felt that to my core the entire series. It was like he was a totally different person in book 2 and beyond.
"When did he become a fiscal conservative"
you killed me with that one 🤣
You know, you were talking about women having sex as their only piece of power to use reminded me of the play Lysistrata, where there's a war that's going for so long that the women from both sides decide to go into a sex strike, and basically the war stops altogether.
I think to add to the point you mentioned where women who own their sexuality are evil in the sjmverse, something about how other characters are described makes me think that the message she wants to send is that no strings attached sex is for evil characters only. Remember when Rhys was supposed to be the bad guy and was also using his 'charm' to protect his court? We have to break down and justify his actions before he can get the good guy stamp of approval in the second book, always sounded to me that Rhys's only saving grace in Amarantha's situation was him being a victim. There's another instance with TOG (different series) where basically acting sexually liberated is a thing of the past and something to be ashamed about (this character is not a woman), and somehow they always read to me as 'casual sex is BAD! BAD! stick to abstinence and I'll consider giving you a mate!'
It's incredibly telling that the women most known for their sexual freedom in her books are the literal villains and _rapists_
There's a weird feeling around sex culture in her books, sometimes characters are allowed to kiss and tell and other times they're shamed by the narrative and everyone around them. Sometimes it's a "haha we like to fuck!" and everyone's like "woooo us too!" and other times it's "all they know how to do is fuck >:(" Like ma'am please make up your mind on if casual sex is accepted or reprehensible
The FMC also slut shames someone who was sold into human trafficking, just like she was but into a different vocation, and there was no apology really.
But if you're not into sex or romance, that means you're evil in sjm universe too !! The only good people are the ones who want to have monogamous relationships and then screw like bunnies to produce babies , the more the better .
I hate quote Hate when authors give a character. The a****** makeover for no other reason than to make a different character more likable. I hate it it's lazy.
Yeah, both Tamlin and Lucien got a personality transplant just to show how awful the Spring Court was for Feyre. Everything they do is out of character for how they behave in ACOTAR
@fuunosenshi And are we seriously supposed to forget the fact that Rhys assaulted Feyra. And I don't want to hear none of that He was just misunderstood if he was actually that He would have just helped her, no strings attached. Or maybe you could found some way to give her the answer to the riddle.
@@xrentabrainx not to mention he basically drugged her every night and made her dance in barely there "clothes". Or the mind-rape at the Spring Court when she found out who he was.
16:10 “RIP to JK Rowling. She’s not dead, she’s just a stupid b” 😂 I’m dying
as someone who actively avoids buying and library reading these, I find these logical perspective rants very amusing to listen
like I put these on the background as me and my bf do daily chores or play games and we crack up at the "plot" descriptors we hear
the best one from video 1 was describing some plot point as a spongebob episode :D (I believe it was you, I think)
On Rhys's skin tone. White people can go through that dramatic of a skin tone change with sun exposure. Like from pale to very tan. It's not everyone, and I don't know what the biologic mechanic is there, but it happens. I've seen it.
That said, the fact that SJM doesn't stop and go on about how Rhys looks darker now, and how he's clearly doing better being out in the sun and not stuck under a mountain, etc. This was definitely a retcon. She's not a subtle enough writer to not blatantly point it out.
I'm just at the part where Rhys makes an appearance and had the whole thing spoiled for me and girl I am GLAD. I already hated Feyre so much by then I was glad I accidentally got spared the disappointment of Tamlin not getting the happiness I wanted for him 😢
The only thing I think I should mention is that a lot of middle eastern races do go from tan to pale throughout the year depending on time spent outside in the sun. I am a pale white woman, and my Persian friend is sometimes paler than I am, especially in the winter, and way darker than I am in the summer. However, I do think in this instance that SJM changed her mind after the first book and had to retcon a bit.
As a morrocan i was flabbergasted to hear that the illyryans are based on middle Eastern/north african poeple... Thank you for the great representation sarah... I guess😢
I t wasn’t only Tamlin who said didn’t want her helping the people, the people of the court said they did not want her help from either it bringing up trauma OR they are too grateful.
To follow the Twilight but make it Fae formula she had to assassinate Tamlin's character just like Meyer's did to Jacob. It is one of the main hallmarks of lazy writing. That and the poor character and world development and all the ridiculous plot holes 🕳 plus all the repetitive words and monumental lack of editing. She was very careful to not miss Any on the List of what Not to do when writing a book. 😏 I mean SJM, how many millions of these books have you sold?! You can clearly Afford an Editor. 🤨 You choose to punish your readers and that's just wrong. If they're reading your 🗑 then that's really punishment enough. 🤬
I would just like to know how this secret city could be so prosperous for fifty years if it's so secret and cut from the rest of the court? Are people in Velaris trading with human/fae lands oversees? So it's not that secret or what? And it feels like it's the capital city or whatever and we never see any other city in the Night court, do we? We never see in what state the Court really is after Amaratha, what is Rhysand doing for his people and land etc.
Also, where are all the High Fae of the Night court? Are they all in the Hewn city and none in Velaris? What is this society? This world feels so small and empty idk. Long story short, I hate SJM's "worldbuilding" 😮💨.
Also Amren feels very asexual to me, idk. But you are right, this world is so aggressively heteronormative, it's really something. The concept of mates really is so stupid. And it seems like SJM needs to pair everyone up, it's annoying.
The PWP you mentioned got me, you are so right 🤣.
And also also, if Rhysand is the most powerful High lord, and his father was able to vaporize a person... how does Hewn city still exist and how are Illyrians still left to behave like that. Like... I don't understand? The whole Illyrian issue is a bag of worms 💀
Her worldbuilding is one of the most frustrating parts of this series. We see max three locations of every court, if that with many of them. It's all just vague aesthetic descriptions
omg. I had completely forgot about feminist!Rhysand. "It's your choice, Feyre darling." That was SO annoying. I really wish there was an actual sequel to ACOTAR instead of this soft reboot. Your astrology guesses... chef's kiss. ...I'm realizing I pushed this entire novel from my brain. It was such an exhausting experience.
Also, I loved your screaming arguments. Why are there no prisoners screaming? Not because Rhys secretly has a heart of gold and is a Feminist TM, but because that would get annoying incredibly quickly.
I kind of see Tamlin's point of View........... Ignoring the tantrum and locking her up...... I Think Tamlin's had every right to do what he did especially when not allowing her to do stuff.... When I read it it seemed like Tamlin was being over protective but with reason. We Find out Later that if the fall court knew she had his powers they would Kill her... Tamlin has stated this many times or at least indicated it and we even get Rysand who says the same thing. Furthermore Feyre in the first book said she didn't like to hunt. She did it because she had to so her asking to go on a hunt was a bit weird...... Another thing is that Feyre was 100% unstable. She wasn't sleeping or eating and I can see why Tamlin further stopping her from doing stuff that girl was a danger not only to herself but possibly to others. One last thing did we all forget that Rysand was Tamlin's sworn enemy? Like his biggest rival? I make this statement because every time Feyre cameback from Rysand's she was spewing nonsense talking about shit Tamlin had no idea of at all. Feyre sounded crazy as hell and it was only after she got back from Rysand. Dont get me wrong I do believe Tamlin could have done some things differently and listened to Feyre a bit more but we not about to act like most of his actions were unjustified or without reasonable cause
From the moment I heard "A Court of Thorns and Retcon" I knew that I wasn't crazy for thinking the same thing
“advocating for mortal equality but also everyone who’s mortal is evil” j k rowling school of writing
Muggles are evil in Harry Potter? I must have missed that
Oh man. I think I know where she got the idea for “mates”. It’s Elfquest fic.
In Elfquest, the elf characters occasionally experience this mental bond, where their lizard brains react and they have to either make a baby or die. It’s ridiculous. But at least EQ had the good sense to make it purely a physical thing and not a permanent bond.
Yeah, Elfquest actually does something with it. It actually explores what's at stake when it happens between elves that pretty much find each other disgusting and could never fall in love with them and how they deal with it. In those cases, I think it is not romantized. The "bond" becomes a shackle that they must over come. The only thing with the "recognition" (as it is called in Elfquest) is that elves had a hard time to make babies since they are immortal (most of them anyway) and that was a "nature's way" to make sure that elves would not go extinct. The babies that are concieved through recognition will be more stronger and more "gifted". + ElfQuest's world is pretty brutal and low-fantasy.
I was looking for this comment! Yes, I was immediately reminded of ElfQuest, which I think handles and explores this idea SO much better.
There was an arc where Dewshine, an elf who already had a romantic partner, Recognized Tyldak (who was a guy from a different elf group). Neither of them liked or wanted it. The story actually explored what that meant and how the elves involved reacted to this. I remember finding it so interesting because I'd never seen a story handle this concept in such a way without romanticizing it.
And there are other instances of how this affected other elves differently. It's just such a wasted opportunity to have this idea and not explore it. It could have been so much more interesting :/
Honestly it's also fucked up how Feyre never at any point asks Rhys if it's okay to touch his wings when he explicitly stated it made him and I quote "uncomfortably vulnerable" and had never l e t anyone touch them during sex. He even STARTS PROTESTING and then just... stops? How about some consent maybe? Asking if it's okay? That's probably too nuanced for Feyre lmao, this book series had a chance to do so many actual good things and failed in every way.
I love Acator and Sarah but like her stories and books are literally just insanity lmao. They aren’t “well written” by a objective standpoint but they are enjoyable and very funny. Also like ur video was super good and fun to watch tehee😋 I loved ur commentary lol
Thank you for commenting! Yeah I get why people love this series honestly, and I’m glad you found joy in it 🥰 the ideas are great! It’s the writing…… oh the writing
Fun little thing, Illyria was a region in the north western Balkans in antiquity. The romans had several wars against them and would certainly have seen them as barbarians. While i don't exactly know much about the ancient ethnic make up of the region, they were certainly not middle eastern, nor slavic like much of the modern balkans as the slavs didn't arrive until around 600 ad. I'm pretty sure the name predates much of what modern people would consider to be fundamental to the middle eastern style, as vague as that term is. Funnily enough Illyria or some variation thereof is quite popular as a name in fantasy. Even warhammer has taken the naem for a faction of elves called Elyrian reavers.
THIS ✔️
I feel like you can do a 180 character, if you do it right, especially if it's a man. I mean most women know that sometimes men can pretend to be your perfect match until they feel they have you trapped, either through marriage or pregnancy or something like this.
If the author had written it like this, like make tamlin change because he got what he wanted, he was freed from the curse and has her trapped now. He doesn't really need her anymore except for public image. So he starts showing his true colours behind closed doors. Make faira more naiv, thinking if she just behaves right he will be back to what he was before. That's how you could make it more sense.
I’ve never read the ACOTAR series nor have I been a subscriber (until now) but I’m here purely because your gossip energy is fantastic and I’m trying to be healthier in my relationships so you are helping me get my fix of DRAMA. Thank you ❤
As well as Tamlin didn’t want Feyre exploring the grounds because “there are untamed beasts that have been released thanks to Amarantha’s hold being weakened.” Again, he should have taught her how to use her powers, but she didn’t know how to defend herself from the beasts
Omg I read the first book because of the hype and I thought it was just fine as a fun book, but everyone keeps saying the second one is better. I got a couple chapters in and started getting a major case of DNF so I came here to see what’s up. I’m SO glad I didn’t decide to push through 😂😂😂 Thanks for saving me from wasting hours of my life on these books haha
I did think it was unfair when everyone blamed tamlin for not doing anything to get feyra bc he was Under watch. But the after of how he acted I think made sense of how 2 traumatized people were affected in different ways which I think matched each other’s character. Bc Rhys was going through it too but he still knew how to act towards other and listen. Then the locking her in the house I understood how tamlin would do that. Idk I think it made sense
Illyrians were the ancient tribes of the people that now live in Albania and parts of Greece. SJM codified her characters as Middle Eastern while using the name of a Balkan people. (Who in the US in the past were also coded as "ethnic"- eeeh sorry, "tall, dark and handsome", and were still seen as savages). I don't know what stereotypes she employed. Perhaps she got them mixed 🥴
Not to mention many names of the fae are Greek and it confuses me to hell and back. Whyyy do Celtic creatures have Greek and Roman names? That's like a jinn in Baghdad named Robert. SJM really did no research and just put there anything that sounded "cool" to her.
Lmfao. Present day alboNian jee-haa-dis have got NOTHING to do with the real Illyrians
Haha, couldn't agree more with the second paragraph. Not to forget the *secret book* had an abra.ham.ic j.e.w.i.s.h name, completely contradicts the ancient pre-abrahamic Celtic folklore
Oh, just finished the first video and this one's already here waiting for me! I can't wait for this. ACOTAR was frustrating but ACOMAF made feel like I was losing my mind.
i will never read this series but i will also never stop watching videos of people breaking down/shitting on these books. just wanted to say that your videos so far are the funniest and most insightful i have seen; i’m having a really good time listening to them while i knit 🤣
It’s so good of you to bring up Tarquin cause no one does. There was no reason for Rhys to betray him, when Tarquin wanted to help him anyways. But then Rhys went and revealed shit to the mortal queens even though they were less trustworthy than Tarquin. Sjm just needs to stop writing poc and queer people. Ma’am go back to writing your basic ass monogamous straight breeding kink.
the "there's no high lady" thing is so hamfisted. irl you still have titles like duchess, queen, first lady, and so on. itd be more believable if high lady was a title but the expectations for them were still sexist
They are called "highest lady of the x court" I think? There is a title for them and they are second next to the high lord..... which is feyres postion...
i literally have no investment in this series whatsoever but these videos are so fun to put on while i draw, so thank you for your entertaining rambles and summaries,, i throughly appreciate it
When you were talking about Northern Europeans like, Nordic people way back then, we’re you specifically speaking about how Vikings would rape and steal other women. Because that is actually pretty true. But actual Nordic women were treated pretty good for 700-1000 CE times they could marry who they want divorce and own property.
Not Rhys being a sag. He's making us look bad
god THANK YOU!! my brother innocently bought me the entire acotar boxset for my birthday and I've been Suffering trying to get through it. so satisfying to see my rage put into words. I might try and finish it but I'm like 200 pages into acomaf and I dont know if I'm strong enough 😭
At first, when you said the women snipped off their wings, I thought you were using flowery language to refer to their labia. Then you reminded me these are fairies and you meant their literal wings and I sighed a breath of relief.
I havent Even Read any of these books, but the way we could of had Tamlin not be the love interest is he could of had issues with his ptsd that feyre couldn’t help him and someone else can and they interact and she starts interacting Rhys while he’s going through a vegeta redemption phase idk lmao I think that’s another comment but they both realize that they both are just naturally moving away from each other and realizing that they are finding them selves in love with the other person maybe make it messy too they kiss that person and are guilty minor miscommunication LIL DRAMA FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE DRAMA and then they can both sit down and realize yea they “WERE” in love but that romantic love is gone but they can still be friends idk not character assassination ala Jacob black style
I read this series and it’s what got me back into reading. I enjoyed it but always felt icky about it too. Like I kept asking myself what exactly I liked about it and kept coming up with what I did not like about it and bugged me. The following books don’t get better. I was obviously letting my inner Feyre take control 😂
I felt really let down when it came to the blood rubies because to me I actually expected to see more about what that meant and what ensues once you receive them. It seemed like a pretty badass mafia type move to be sending something like that to most powerful high lord in Prythian history and his court that includes one of the most ancient powerful beings ever aka Amren, and “The Morrigan” etc, and I was ready to see what happens once you get them. Very “don’t let me catch you in the streets”. Pretty bold, Tarquin must be more than we think. Like are the rubies cursed? Is Tarquin about to give the night court hell? Like what’s next!? But the lack of exploration there, the way Sarah just kinda brushed off that situation as nothing more than a lousy statement of Tarquin’s distaste really made him come off as all bark and no bite and even Amren was like oooohhh pretty rubies I wanna wear em! Just for Tarquin later on to be like OK I get it we good, when he probably would’ve understood if they just explained everything to him. And if not, then fine, do your thing. Basically it felt like a piss on the authority and power of the summer court just to once again prove further the indestructible might and sexiness of Rhysand and his court, I was almost humiliated for T. Like OK Sarah we get it no one can scare your precious night court they’re the fiercest baddest motherfckers on the planet 🙄🙄🙄
Also, sending thieves rubies…? Rubies are valuable things. It’s like thanking thieves from stealing from you by sending them a gift 🤣
@@freshbrewedasmr3378 That’s also exactly what I mean! Like if you’re not gonna follow the rubies up with the consequences they’re supposed to represent then essentially they’re just a gift! SJM literally had Tarquin GIFT the night court for theft 🤡
I stopped reading the 2nd book at the midway mark. The plot was getting on my last nerve.
Omg! SAME 😂
Wish, I didn't come accross some spoilers though
omg i just finished the first video and immediately ran to check for the 2nd! thank you for blessing me on this random tuesday night 🫶🏼💖
@54:10 I don’t know how similar the exact descriptions were but this is a super common way to describe an Einstein-Rosen Bridge in sci fi! It’s on tvtropes as “fold the paper, fold the space.”
Thank you! I read ACOTAR and ACOMAF earlier this year and I cannot for the life of me understand the hype around these. My hopes were so high and I was soooo let down. You really hit every issue I have with this series 👏
1.5hrs of you acknowledging Tamlin has been evil-flanderised is what I personally needed to heal from the events of book 1
If maas characters would have an interview with her, alooot of them will say Fuck you but Lucien will say what do i do to deserve this
SJM is pisces???? My entire life just spiralled. Why do we always get the scrappy ones?
Cant stand Feyre and Rhys 😅
i think lucien was NEVER going to have a mate until elaine happened xD
Idk, my skin is freakishly pale in the winter (I’m talking people ask me if I’m sick on the regular) but in the summer I can actually get pretty darkly tanned because my skin is olive toned which tans better. White people can tan super dark whilst being super pale in the winter. It just matters if you have a pink skin tone or olive
44:30 I can say for a fact there's no normalization of such acts in north africa, maybe some isolated tribe from an isolated region, but it's never normal and if someone was cought doing such things they will be confiscated and thrown to jail or killed
Exactly! I think I’m the west we often blanket attribute women’s oppression and like FGM and honor killing to the “vague Middle East” (Asia Minor and North Africa) and it’s sooooooo orientalist and Islamophobic 😪
Wow that's definitely not what we are taught in usa in this was in college it's so bad in usa when it comes to learning culture of other areas. Even geography is off
@@itowilltube I am aware of the lackluster education system in the usa, but it's quite saddening that they paint north Africa as some sort of barbaric inhuman land just because we are considered a 3rd world country, so the student have to do their own research to have the factual informations
I hate read all 5 books. Welcome to our club we have sweaters.
Edit: "We don't need to get into that right now"
Yes please, get into that.
Every single point in this video was facts. And your storytelling is so good, I really enjoyed this video. It really made my day
your humour is my new favourite thing 😭
thank you for reading this so I don't want to. I hadn't managed to put into words why sjm's specific brand of "feminism" bugs me and you hit the nail on the head
“Do you think someone EVIL would want to hear screams bouncing off their walls all day?” 😂😭😭😭 this point made me cackle.
Girl, I haven't read a single word of those raunchy novels, but I doubt they could be as entertaining as this truly epic summary. Lol
Your commentary is amazing this is by far the best review I’ve seen