The Simpsons Perfectly Represented ADHD (accidently)
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2021
- Bart Simpson is often categorized as a bad egg, but when you watch it from a new perspective suddenly this tiresome troublemaker seems a lot more understandable.
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Yeah I didn't get diagnosed with ADHD until my late 20's after I had already failed everything.
You have not failed, the system has failed you do not worry we are here for you
The way I look at it "failure" is a mindset. I'm finding a way to capitalize on the talents and skills I already have. I am a human being. I don't need to meet society's expectations of being a millionaire playboy actor rockstar to be a success.
The thing is, I'm alive, and I am doing Mmy best to enjoy Mmy life despite society's labelling Mme as a "failure". That's a pretty monumental task. We want other's to validate our existence, and tell us that we've done well; but I've decided to cut out the middle man and self-validate.
I won't let an ailing and dying society tell Mme that I'm: "not good enough". If I'm: "not good enough" for them, who cares!? I'm Good enough for Mme!
Don't worry I'm sure they have medication that will numb your senses and turn your long term mental state upside down.
@@ryanm8485 medication isn’t the only treatment for ADHD.
@@ryanm8485 adhd is medication isn't some big evil brainwashing pill. it helps a lot of people even if it doesn't work for some, and normally your prescription changes until you can find what you think works best for you.
this guy even gives some commentary on it. did you even watch the video?
"Stop being lazy!", my teachers said to me. Yeah, it's not that i am getting bullied, being severely depressed and having suicidal thoughts *sarcasm off*...
omg this...
"bullied, being severely depressed and having suicidal thoughts" So does every single other person growing up in society, life is hard and you're looking for the easy way out. Pull yourself up from the boot straps and move on with life or it will move on without you.
@@ryanm8485 "Life is like a chicken ladder: Short and shitty!", said the master craftsman that brought me through my apprenticeship. That dickhead called "Life" can move on without me, no problem...The earth will rotate with or without me 😁 It's not that there is a way out of depression. I am talking about REAL depression, not what edgy teens make up when they want attention on Tumblr or Facebook....No offence
@@truewalter4193 It's a problem with human consciousness. We're all chasing a meaning / purpose in life that biologically we were never suppose to have. We make life so complex for ourselves when the simple man with his simple needs is usually the happiest. The cure to depression is looking into what makes the simple man happy, balancing the heavy amounts of stimulation you get from modern life and being comfortable in your in mind.
@Anthony Thompson And you either let anxiety control and ruin your life or you pull yourself out of it with will alone. Everyone deals anxiety but most don't let it control them, your fate is in your own hands.
That medicine episode hits home like crazy. I had gone through a few different medicines for my ADHD and they either made me lethargic, angry, or uninterested. There’s a medicine *now* that works, but by time it was made public I had already picked up a model building hobby that gave me that focused drive. It’s almost ironic because my mother spent so many years worried that she had me misdiagnosed, and by the time we had definitive proof she wasn’t a bad parent it didn’t matter because we had found what works for me.
I'm glad she stuck it out though. There are so many parents who just give up and assume it was wrong.
My brother was on risperdol for the longest time and he’d have the absolute worst anger outbursts. He actually got physically violent with me once and put me in a chokehold I had to bite him to get out of while our mother and cousin tried to separate us.
He’s doing fine now but gladly not on that medication anymore.
Bad parents, good parent, it's a gray area in a lot of situations
Growing up in former Soviet Union, having any kind of psychiatric analysis, or even going to a psychologist (or even worse - a psychiatrist) was pretty much a death sentence for you social life as a kid. My parents strongly suspected that I had ADHD, however they refused to diagnose me, or give me medications, as most ADHD medicines have low-dose methamphetamines in them. I suffered a lot as a kid (similar to Bart - not scoring high marks in school), but now I thank my parents for not giving me psychoactive drugs when I was a kid.
I don't know why but The Cantina feels like that cool uncle who's relatable and likes your favorite video games
My maternal uncle to a T! :D
True! He’s like a gaming uncle I’ve never had 😂
Hes not that old dude. Hes like 30 or less like me. We still kiddos
@@mrhypnagogia yea keep dreaming bud
that one time Bart freaked the hell out and begged and pleaded for an extra shot, promising that he'd try harder, getting out of his chair and pacing a bit and shouting- that moment hit me so very hard. that was the exact same mantra i gave all the time in school and constantly failed to uphold my promise which made me feel like dogshit.
i actually later found out the only reason why i wasn't ever held back was because between my frantic attempts to pass and the relentlessness bullying i faced, my teachers were pity bumping my grade to a passing one so i didn't fall behind and bullies didn't get more ammo. finding out about that _three years_ after dropping out from highschool actually made me cry, i was so distraught by the fact that what i thought was my hard work getting me along was actually just my teachers falsely holding me up to make me feel better.
Major respect for talking about this so openly.
It’s an issue that needs to be talked about, avoiding a subject just because it’s stigmatized by society doesn’t do anything to improve the situation. But finding and sticking with the people who have the same struggles and helping each other grow will make things better at least for us. Hopefully public perception will improve over time, but in the meantime, we stick together.
Social media like RUclips gives people a lot of influence, but with great power comes great responsibility. It’s important that the information that is published is accurate and backed up by medical and psychological professionals. There’s a lot of misinformation out there and it’s easy to be manipulated by it, especially if our self esteem is low
@@Anonymous-qh9gq Spider man joke spotted!
This is a better presentation on ADHD than any in my graduate program.
Haha that doesn't surprise me tbh
"Babe, wake up. There's a new The Cantina video."
Hey man, I'm a young teacher and I just want to say thank you for posting this. I took a class in college about learners with special needs, so I hope that the next generation of teachers pays more attention. BUT just listening to you talk through your struggles in school made ADHD seem so much more real and relatable than that class did a few years ago. I really appreciate that you went out of your way to share this - you're helping out my future kiddos!
I’m an education student in my senior year of college and I have ADHD. It makes getting through school very difficult, especially with a demanding degree like music education. Learning disabilities are a very real problem that need to be addressed and taken seriously. I’ve educated myself and I try to educate my peers about it as much as I possibly can in preparation for when I finally become a teacher. I understand that no teacher has a 100% success rate, but I want to be prepared to help all of my students, especially the ones who are neurodivergent to the best of my abilities
I wish theyd just change that to better wordin that doesnt euphemise our existence... Even just "Increased needs" sounds so much better than sayin im "special need" or that im a person with "special needs"; particularly bcuz of the neg connotation behind the use of the word "special" there as a euphemism for disabled.
I got called "special" as an insult quite a lot while growin up undiagnosed, mostly cuz they werent gonna call me the R word at school; prty much all the other kids saw me as a freak and targeted me...
Except for the other outcasts, who were mostly all also neurodivergent.
And those folks wud just call themselves as they are, none of these euphemisms; bcuz its who we are and theres nothin wrong with aknowledgin we have disabilities and need to be differently accomodated than those without the disabilities we have. Thats what bein disabled is, and theres nothin wrong with bein disabled; so why call us "differently abled" or "special needs" or the like? That makes it sound like disabled is the bad word, not special.
Motivation is key as Bart has shown he's just as smart as Lisa but he also says being smart is boring , but the way he designs schemes and pranks shows his higher level of thinking. Also when he got interested in chemistry and was really good at it
I'm a girl with ADHD diagnosed last year at age 21. This video was SO relatable! It has unlocked some high school memories I forgot all about, like how I used to literally say, "Why should I study for this test when I'm gonna get the same grade if I don't study." Seriously, I'd get a C either way.
Besides your videos being great and how much I love the Elder Scrolls, now I know why I love your channel for all these years. You're relatable! We have the same brain type🧠
I'm here with ya man. Not only do I have ADHD but I also suffer with autism. So I'm shit at social situations and a lot of times I would rather literally do anything else than what I'm currently doing.
Same here man
Same. Although I quite like my autism! I would never say I suffer from it. I suffer from neurotypical society lol
Hey, fellow AuDHDer here!
Okay... As someone in their mid-thirties, I wonder if I have undiagnosed ADHD... Because this hit hard.
hey umm... you should probably see a doctor asap,
sincerelt, a person with adhd
I got my diagnose at 35yr mark, my life got A LOT better with heavy meds. :D
Never hurts to just know for sure. Although it depends on the doctor and how thorough they are or care tbh.
I also recommend How To ADHD channel btw.
So is self diagnosed ADHD the cool edgy new thing? Is depression out yet?
@@justagerman140 no, but being a twat is apparently.
As someone who's gonna be a teacher, this is great insight and you did a fantastic job hitting the issues with teaching pedagogies we talk about for inclusive learning
yeah, thankfully it seems schools and teachers learning how to do better in regards to this and other problems; I took a child development class and it talked a lot about finding the specific and individual needs for your kids, working with parents, recognizing things like ADHD etc.. Was pretty cool!
I’m glad future teachers are interested in learning this! If any of my teachers through the age of 5-15 had noticed my symptoms I wouldn’t be here at 17 waiting for a screening. It would have happened long ago and I would have gotten the support I needed.
I know this is a year late but as someone who is just now coming to terms with my possible ADHD. Something that I saw was an old elementary teacher of mine, give a classmate who had a hard time with reading (in their head) a small hand-held pipe that connected to their ear (from their mouth) so that they could hear/read to themselves without distracting other students. Idk if that might ever be helpful to you but I thought it was cool at the time and it for-sure is something that worked for that kid and me at the time. Good luck as a teacher :)
As someone who has had depression for most of their lives, I also am rather upset about the ignorance and stigma surrounding mental health. This needs to change.
What stigma? You can get mental help remotely on apps and have pills shipped right to your door. If anything mental health is fully embraced right now and is a booming business for all parties involved.
@@ryanm8485 that’s hospitals changing, not people
Depression and ADHD are nothing alike, you literally had no reason to bring up your depression
Mental health illness is not the same as a condition like ADHD
@@vallarfaxgaming
Depression is NOT a mental health disorder
It's like diabetes, hormonal disorder
In case of diabetes we have a problem with supplying enough insulin in our tissues, whereas in case of depression there's not enough neurotransmitters in our brain. Mainly dopamin and serotonin
Thank you for speaking so openly about this. I have ADHD, and it went undiagnosed until I was 18. At that point I was doing so badly in high school that I had to drop out. However, the end result was not all bad. I ended up going to a special ed college to study media production. It feels great to be at a school where my disability is accomodated for. I just wish we didn't *need* special schools like that. I wish all schools would have the resources to accomodate for these issues.
I feel you. I am a teacher in Australia and see children all the time that display ADHD traits. However all I can do is advise the parents of the observable behaviours and suggest they speak to a health professional. I can't even say that I believe they have ADHD or Dyslexia etc (Broken System). I then see the same kid go through their entire schooling where the parents don't want to get their child diagnosed due to them feeling it is a slight on their parenting skills or something. It is very sad. On the flip side I see kids get the help they need and the improvement in cognitive functioning is amazing. It not only helps them focus etc, but it greatly improves anxiety in older children. Great video and you really have shown a good insight into ADHD.
As an afab person with ADD, I always saw Bart's ADHD interesting in relation to Lisa, who seems to also have some neurodivergence but in a way less obvious way compared to Bart. I find them both super relatable lol.
Man's literally talking about it as though it's canon when it isn't
Unless you have solid evidence of the creator confirming bart has ADHD and Lisa has neurodivergence you're just speculating as fact
That Bart Simpson mask!!! 😆😂🤣 It's for little things like this one that I love ❤ this channel. 😎👍
Haha
I love this channel for the elder scrolls content and one of the reasons why I’m so hyped for the new elder scrolls other than it’s been AWHILE is that I want the content about it from my favorite man
I love this. As someone who's been diagnosed with ADHD since I was 13 (I was a massive "troublemaker" but usually polite. Just a general problem with authority) I've done alot of research about how the brain works with ADHD. Our brains just learn differently.
It's wild how you start seeing patterns once brought to the forefront and relatibility.
I totally feel you on this video, 100%. I was diagnosed with ADHD well into my adulthood. I moved from the US to Germany 2 years ago and it has been so frustrating trying to find a doctor who will prescribe medication and take it seriously. Adult ADHD in Germany is viewed with incredible skepticism and doubt, including both the public in general and doctors (even psychiatrists here). It has been an enormous challenge. Anyways, great vid, always a pleasure to watch the channel.
Jeeze that's rough man.
I'm German and I feel that. I just took ADHD tests today and luckily, I landed a good clinic and the person evaluating me actually had ADHD too. I haven't gotten my diagnosis yet, but I'm fairy certain I'll get it. So far I've already seen an ADHD specialist like 7 years ago and he was like "yeah maybe you have ADHD but I'd say that you're definitely autistic". Last year I saw an autistic psychiatrist specialized in autism and she was like "you definitely have ADHD but I don't see the autism". Being a woman makes it all harder in general, but then so many places still subscribe to the (wrong) beliefs that when you're autistic, you have no empathy, can't read people at all and don't understand sarcasm and I'm here like: have you been paying attention to the research of the past 10 years AT ALL. And the concept of people being autistic and having ADHD AND being traimatized AND intelectually gifted AND a woman is still completely foreign here. It's like "that's 4 too many, nobody will deal with you". And the combination of all of those is not even rare.
Also my friend who was actually diagnosed with ADHD when she was a child recently went to see a therapist for her anxiety and he still went like: maybe it's not ADHD, maybe you're gifted. Because she has a Master's degree, so obvs she can't have ADHD aarrrrgh. And, like, she already had been assessed by professionals.
Dont have adhd but i went through school with bipolar disorder. Still remember the endless detentions, crazy antics and fights followed by periods of crippling depression and lack of any motivation. Somehow came through it with good grades despite the teachers best attempts to paint me as abnormal and a problem child. It took me untill i was 24 through uni and in the workforce for someone to point out that my behaviours werent normal and I should probably see a psych.
Thank you. Telling someone to go see a psychologist/psychiatrist is already way, way more helpful than whatever "advice" I have been given for 21 years.
I really appreciate when people point out that ADHD doesn't just magically get better as you become an adult. For me, it kinda did, and then came back with a vengeance. I think my best productive years mentally were roughly ages 19-22 or so, but then from 24-28 or so, when I was in graduate school (I'm 29 now... and I dropped out of grad school! And I only finished College through luck!) I had just as much trouble as I did as a kid in elementary/middle/high school. I think my life situation at the various times had something to do with it, but it wasn't 100% that.
I was diagnosed with ADD (or ADHD, whatever the terminology was at the time) when I was a young teen or late pre-teen. I also think I have some undiagnosed bipolar or anxiety disorder. They don't interact well.
That whole “goody two shoes but in detention a lot” thing doesn’t even strike me as contradictory. I was deemed a “gifted kid” because I could read at a ridiculously young age, and didn’t get properly diagnosed with ADHD until my mid-20’s. So when stuff got bad, I didn’t get the right help so much as constantly told I wasn’t trying enough and living up to my potential as The Smart Kid. Solid D student from middle school on, goody two shoes, except never doing homework and always in trouble at home for it.
If anything, getting in that much trouble for Brain Shit despite trying so hard for so long I burned out made me MORE of a goody two shoes in every other regard. I felt bad, but couldn’t willpower my way out of the shit I was getting in trouble for, so I doubled down on people pleasing. Having undiagnosed ADHD, being a goody two shoes, and still managing to land in detention all the time makes a lot of sense IMO
(This video may be a break from the channel’s usual topics but it’s really good! Thanks for making it)
One problem with the school system for kids with ADHD (like me) is that it kind of judges you by what you're worst at, even though in the professional world it's how good you are at your best skill that matters most (although executive function is still an issue of course). I had top grades in programming, which was the career I was interested in, but since I failed Swedish, German, History and a few other classes which were really irrelevant, I couldn't go to university. After 7 years of crappy jobs, living on welfare and being depressed, I managed to get an internship as a programmer and started learning more on the job, now 5 years later I have the same salary as those with university degrees, even though I failed highschool. But if things had gone differently I might still be living on welfare.
Wow, just saw this video on my homepage and I totally understand this, as someone who has both ADHD and Aspergers, teachers in elementary school didn’t understand my ADHD and basically punished me for no reason, I resonate with you dude. Also keep up the good work!
One of your best videos. This hit very close to home for me.
Thanks man
Wow channel profile has changed. My anxiety doesn't feel good about this. Btw I'm learning from this video as a teacher in the making. Thanks for being open about this. World needs things like this
Class was for daydreaming, books were for doodling, homework was for the leprechauns, projects were for my mother, and studying was an imaginary activity. Yet, I always managed to get a slightly above average report card.
7:08 I always liked how Bart wasn’t actually an idiot like you’d think.
3:27 very relatable. I had guidance counselors telling me to drop out because failure is inevitable. I ended up just cheating on everything to get by. It’s like we were put through so much hell to remember things we’d never need to know.
I don't think I've ever used the stuff I learned in school. Nowadays if I don't know something I just look it up on RUclips. Honestly those videos are way more informative than my teachers ever were.
Ah ADHD. It has throttled my life, all life and is one of the most tiresome things to have at times. Super awesome that you made a video on this type of topic bro :) good video and great insight into the simpsons with it
Thanks man! Appreciate it.
I have adhd and in the bart gets an F scene when he cried out loud ,,i really am a failure" i cried with relatableness like geez simpsons what the hecc you didnt have to do that
Cantina's Math Teacher: The numbers Mason. What do they mean!?
relatable
It’s honestly nice to hear about someone else’s experience with ADHD. I was lucky enough to be diagnosed early in my schooling, and even then school could be a struggle. I remember always being one of if not the last person to finish almost every test I’ve ever taken.
As someone with ADHD (diagnosed in first grade), I had been on tons of different meds (at different times) to get me to focus. They all had negative side effects, such as making me depressed, restless, unappetized, and anti-social, and generally I hated being on them. They did help me focus, but after around 12 years of taking these drugs, I’m now in college and either rely on these drugs to get by, or struggle immensely to pay attention and succeed in school. I worry that years of anti-social behavior and chemical focus have created a college student with poor social skills who never learned to deal with his lack of motivation and attention span without the help of drugs. This is why I believe the anti-medication stance is warranted, I mean sure, these drugs help in the moment, but in the long run I feel I’ve accumulated mental issues. Of course, these drugs effect everyone differently, but I think putting children on a psychoactive drug every day for the foreseeable future is overkill, if I’d had adderall to help me study for a big test or do home work a few times per week, I don’t think I would have the same complaints, or at least to a lesser degree.
I have almost the same situation - I have had MS for longer than anyone thought - since early childhood, I have had symptoms but was never sent for an MRI or CT scan. Thus I have always struggled to make choices and this has definitely affected my life negatively. If they had just done more testing instead of associating my symptoms with "stress" - I could have taken preventative medication and not have so much brain damage. Doctors don't really care. They just want to quickly diagnose you so they can get to their next patient/customer.
I've heard getting MS diagnosed is an absolute nightmare, that sucks man. Ya a lot of people think that doctors want to keep you coming back but it's the opposite they want to get you out.
@@TheCantinaChannel, you have my sympathies with your ADHD. I have known a guy who also suffers from it. The poor guy struggled with his schooling but at least he was never treated poorly because of it. :)
I'm sorry what? How in the hell is MS anything close to "almost the same situation"??
Like really man? Do you actually not know how different MS and ADHD are?
Also it seems very likely you're just self diagnosing MS, you said it yourself you were never tested and not once did you mention ever being officially diagnosed, sounds like you just went online and chose MS as the first diagnosis, MS is extremely rare in children, almost never happening
@@vallarfaxgaming I was diagnosed in May of 2014. By October I could no longer walk, chew, swallow properly, speak properly, etc. Brain damage causes many symptoms similar to other more common disorders like adhd, clinical depression, etc.
Very well done video, alot of people go through life with ADHD and other disorders without knowing until later in life. It's sad when people are put under alot of pressure and aren't given the help they need. Keep up the videos, here great. Hope good things for you.
Literally in the same boat as you! Went through school and dropped out of Uni not knowing I had adhd and my god, does so much of my life make so much more sense now. Kind of feel I've still got the mind of a child.
Bart trying to vizualise the math problem in his head is really familiar, you try to think through something and despite all the data being really basic and simple you get overwhelmed by the fact there's multiple pieces of it and get flustered and can't process it.
Studying never worked for me either. I don't think I have ADHD, but probably autism (I'm not dignosed). I did and still do get Bs or Cs most of the time. No matter how hard I studyied the marks just stayed the same or got worse. So I just stoped. As soon as I got into a big university I just started getting Fs in everything and I droped out and enrolled in one with smaller classes and started getting Bs again. The most upsetting parts for me are when I know other students don't put any effort into something, but still get a much better mark than me.
I did terrible in school and felt miserable my whole time in school because of my undiagnosed autism and adhd, I don't know how it wasn't caught it's so obvious now, teachers really need to be taught warning signs and be regularly tested on their ability to recognize those warning signs or something
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Dude this is awesome! You could help people who may struggling with issues and not know it. I've only recently requested to be tested for autism as my wife (who works with persons with autism) has said for years that I have a lot of signs and I'm 30. I haven't yet been tested but it does make sense when I started looking through my past. Although as an adult there's little that can be done with these conditions it can offer you a lot of peace when you realise that you aren't just some weirdo, that there is, or in my current case could be, a reason that you are the way you are and were. Fair play to you Mason for being open about it. I tilt my hat to you sir.
I’ve always struggled with exams or anything that involves summarizing because what I think is interesting/important and thus what I actually remember is usually not what the teacher thought was important. It’s a miracle that I graduated college. I couldn’t have done it without accommodations from our access center like my own quiet room to test in and extended time.
had the same experience, but with ASD
didn't get diagnosed until last year, and had this period of looking back at characters(mostly animated) that were representations of autism and i related to but never understood why
It's especially frustrating when you're a girl as ADHD manifest differently. I'm sure I have ADHD, spouse thinks he has ADHD (testing is expensive so we haven't gotten diagnosed) and we're pretty sure kiddo had ADHD but the teacher is dismissing it because they don't recognize the signs that manifest in girls.
This really struck home for me, I was undiagnosed until 20 and was also in the “gifted student” classes and programs when in middle through high school and my parents never understood when I told them it was just too overwhelming and that I literally couldn’t handle the 4+ hours of daily homework plus be expected to study and pass tests. I ended up not doing any homework my entire high school career and just coasted by on tests.
I was in the gifted student class in elementary school and I hated it.
@@TheCantinaChannel same, it started with 5th grade and went downhill from there. I felt so stupid in those classes cause I’d always be one of the worst students but then in any of my regulars classes, I never made below a 90. I can only imagine it’s only tougher and more competitive now.
This is the most relatable thing I ever read. If people knew how much schoolwork I skipped. Whenever I heard that a test made up some exorbitant percentage of my grade I saw it as an opportunity to keep coasting.
@@Seoul_Soldier exactly!!!
ill ask the Oblivion related question, why does Nirnroot make noise when other plants dont?
I was a kid who literally would tell my teachers people learn differently and I can't learn the way they teach. I would get told I was stupid and a child that didn't know anything. That's another thing just cause you learn differently doesn't mean you need "special" class just means you retain information differently. Anyway In like 2007 a year after I graduated they did the study that found people have like 3 or 4 different ways of learning and some need multiple to retain the information given. But all school I struggled to remember anything. Well I was ok at history but was always motivated by history as well.
in highschool i was put in a special math class where it basically taught us beginner middleschool math again, which felt pretty embarrassing. i remember when we were relearning pos/neg numbers, which i did my best to study. in the end i failed the test and cried the entire day. not because i got a bad grade, but that the leading week the teacher kept drilling in our heads "this test is easy, you should be able to pass it by using this very simple method" which dragged my self-esteem for sure.
tldr; yeah i relate to bart too
I really respect your ability to discuss your personal story so openly. I was diagnosed with ADD at a young age then depression and anxiety at a later age. Both of which affected my academic and personal life. Though we don't share the exact same issues, I'm happy I can relate to one of my favorite content creators.
As an applied psychologist who has done some research on ADHD, I can give you some tips if you want to. For example, regular exercise in so-called randomized controlled trials has proven to be as effective as Ritalin. Even though it's not as long-lasting, it has no potential negative side-effects. I have other recommendation as well if you want to know. It has a lot to do with the dopamine systems in the brains, but other neurotransmitters are involved as well
How the memory of an ADHD work exactly?
Being a "gifted kid" in addition to having ADHD means that I always aced all my tests without studying, and then ended up with Cs in my classes because I only turned in half of the homework assignments. Somewhere along the way I picked up an anxious reaction to essays, applying for things, and improv. Which, lemme tell you, is *not ideal* for adulthood.
8:14 this kinda happened to me - i am autistic and have been diagnosed since i was 7 or 8, but i was handed a cormorbid diagnosis of adhd and prescribed amphetamines because i was performing poorly in school. i ended up severely addicted to that medicine when i was in high school and abused it pretty badly because it wasn't what I needed from the start, as evidenced by my performance in school hardly improving relative to the aid it should have given me. i still consider myself a person with adhd since there is so much overlap with being autistic, but i really wish mental health practitioners had given a shit about my development beyond making me more mallaleable by/performant within the american public school system
I’m very lucky to be diagnosed very young. That Bart episode is just so sad
I went undiagnosed in large part because I wasn't failing, and actually did really well in school. In my case, I would get incredibly bored in class, so I would read ahead in the textbook, since it was the only thing I could do when I was bored that didn't get me yelled at. The result was I was consistently ahead of my peers on the material we were supposed to be learning, but it was basically all from independent studying.
In math class in particular, I remember being utterly incapable of memorizing the formulas we were supposed to be learning, and instead I ended up completely re-deriving the formulas themselves from first principles during the test, because that was actually easier for me than just remembering the damn formulas. I got a lot of stern talks about how long I was taking on my tests, even though the answers I was able to give were right.
A constant refrain was "you're a smart kid, but you need to apply yourself more".
There were lost homework assignments that I'd done, but never turned in throughout my academic career. One teacher I remain convinced was "losing" them on purpose because he didn't like me. I tended to mouth off to authority figures a lot, in the form of correcting them when they were wrong about something. That teacher led to me basically saving extra copies of assignments so I would have proof that I'd done them.
I recall one particular incident, a research paper. No recollection of what the subject was. I just know it was one of those long, unstructured projects that you worked on little by little over the year, eventually turning the thing in at the end to be graded. I had no clue how to structure the workload, and had a complete breakdown over it. And when I came to my parents sobbing about the stress, they looked at me like I was crazy, effortlessly broke down the project, and after it was over, I still had no idea how they'd done it.
Bart's self-loathing and self-injury behavior in the clips here was definitely stuff I was dealing with, even as "one of the smart ones", since everything took so much time and effort, and all that effort ended up accomplishing so little. The constant knowledge that I could do better if I just tried harder if I just "cared", even as I was burning myself out.
I graduated college, lost one job when my supervisor got replaced with one who was more hands off on project management. Nearly lost a second job after unrelated health issues (including nearly dying from undiagnosed celiac disease and suffering from undiagnosed sleep apnea) pushed my stress levels up and left me unable to focus on anything even after the physical issues were resolved. That led me to speaking to a mental health professional and finding out I have ADHD at nearly 40 years old. So much makes so much sense now.
Bart Gets an F was an episode I identified with so hard, even though I'd never actually gotten an F on anything.
Makes me think more about our school systems, which a lot of seems based on temporarily memorizing things, instead of actually learning them. Sure the basics are learned which is good, math, reading, etc. But think about things like history, can anyone actually remember what they learned for a specific test they took? I can't because it was just temporarily memorizing them for the test, than that information is gone later.
Hey there! Thank you for the video. This was very educational, and you have a way of explaining stuff in a very simple and relatable way!
I don't have ADHD, but I've had plenty of trouble at school nonetheless, being a somewhat neglected and very troubled child. I think the general problem with schools is that the teachers are not really trying to see people as individuals. Well, if you look at the society in general, very few people are actually capable of that. And even parents struggle greatly... they will just reflect their own expectations on you, and if you don't meet them, that's where you're in trouble. People are not led much to being empathetic. I think videos like yours are very important for people to understand what really happens and that they should really think about such stuff before judging. I wish it reached more people, honestly. In any case, you did something great.
I have ADHD as well, but luckily I got diagnosed very young. I don't wanna say I LIKE having it, it causes me so many distractions and such, but it adds a little "pep" to my personality. I like being over-the-top and hyper sometimes, it causes me to be relatively energized at any given moment, and honestly adds a lot to my humor.
But... those small pluses don't overtake the bad, not even close, it's kind of hard to explain to some people as well.
I was diagnosed at a young age and was forced to take a variety of meds or I couldn't go to school. Became a robot in 3rd grade and didn't eat anything. Did the best in school at 3rd grade, then when I got of that specific medication it dropped dramatically.
Having ADHD and being the youngest kid in a family that always considered studying as the only important thing to do in life, I had an hell of a childhood/boyhood. Literally.
3:16 This happened to me in math class, ‘pay better attention’, “Do better!” “Everyone else can do this!”
Damn, this hit hard. Very well thought out and interesting. I enjoyed your analysis, and even more so your personal stories.
Also its mentioned in Better Off Ned that Bart takes riddalin on a regular basis so I'm glad he found something that works
0:07 thank God i thought bart took over your channel
Haha
What if he did? Just dropping a conspiracy bomb
this is faucking relatable my teachers always said : " "He" is smart but lazy" and now I am 23 and dropped out of uni and dont have a diagnose yet as most psychologist I went to(for different reasons) sucked or have year long waiting lists
I wanna say, thank you Cantina for making this video. I always knew something was "wrong" with me but couldn't put my finger on it. This video made me realize I might have ADHD. The only problem is, my mom is convinced ADHD is BS (from the over-diagnosing moms back in the early late 90s/2000s as you mentioned) and I know I can't go tell her i need help. And yet, its devastating my life.
BUT. Much like this video made me realize I might have it, you probably just had several other people come to the same conclusion and hopefully went and got tested. That's cool as hell.
I learned at a young age and remember my parents saying they had to give us medication to pass those classes. Even though it showed wired side affects like over active or to drowsy. I guess it was documented as important or common so they put it in the show.
Bart Simpson sounding suspiciously like the cantina
6:49 I have to agree I've gotten worse grades studying the night before then just winging it.
I struggled with ADHD as a kid and this video got me emotional 😢. Well done 👏🏻. I always loved Bart and perceived him the same way as you.
Thanks for sharing man. As a fellow adult ADD guy I feel you.
Honesty I could listen to you read a phone book. Your voice rocks.
Also this video is also great. Thanks for all your stuff.
This is quite an eye opener. Thanks for video. I know it can be quite difficult to be open about yourself when it comes to such things. So Thank you.
I appreciate everythin you said about test-culture and adhd, because even with several days of studying, and practically knowing everything off the top of my head, I still tend to bomb the test which makes me feel really guilty and isn't great for my self-esteem either. So knowing that the systemm wasn't designed for me does relieve some of the guilt so thank you :))
tl;dr school: a place where YOU pay for trauma and self-esteem issues :DD
It can be a slippery slope when a teacher suggests to a parent to have their child evaluated.
This video was amazing, so honest and interesting! Great work!
Im 13- diagnosed with ADHD - take 4 pills a day- and i have never related more to a youtube video. I finally understand so many things now. Thank you
Cantina I love your videos man please keep making them! They're so honest and relatable
thanks man!
tbh your struggles with ADHD remind me a lot of how it feels to be depressed. For most people, knowing what you need to do and doing it are usually so closely intertwined that they don't think about the disconnect between them. They ask "Why would you do (or not do) X, when you know you should (or shouldn't)?" But being hyper self-aware doesn't necessarily mean will or motivation are in high supply. You question "why?" when others don't even think of the thing your questioning as a _thing_ in its own right. You question conditions of your existence that other people barely even perceive. It's like the feel of your clothes against your skin, a thing you can feel when you focus on it, but one you completely forget and ignore for most of your clothes-wearing life. Imagine constantly feeling your jeans against your knees, or your shirt against your breast. Now imagine the shirt is existential dread, and the jeans are guilt, remorse, regret, embarrassment, shame, and lingering psychological pain from events long passed. Tough pants.
You may excel in many aspects of life, many of which might even be widely regarded as "gifts", but you lag and struggle in ways others perceive as so fundamental that you can never escape their disappointment or confusion, no matter what you achieve. They tell you to ignore it, or to focus on something else, but that's exactly what you cannot normally do. And in episodes where you feel free of those burdens, you cleave to the relative mania, ever-concerned of becoming drunk with it, but you know that soon you will be back in that place in your heart that you always return to when you let your guard down, that natural state of your inner being that you're drawn to like a Millennium Falcon caught in a Death Star's tractor beam.
Sometimes you succeed in 'forcing' yourself to do something you know you should. But too often it leaves you feeling hollow (or worse) where you know you should feel relieved or accomplished. You begin to avoid overt sources of what should bring you joy for fear that suddenly they won't, and that you'll even lose that outlet. You pick up a book or a game in the free hours of the evening, but can't even bring yourself to get past the title screen, or you re-read the same page 5 times before just putting it down, weirdly defeated.
Talking or writing about it usually makes it feel small. It invites obvious retorts and replies, ones you heard before, some you even know are correct amongst the platitudes and misunderstandings. But somehow it isn't a thing you can talk yourself out of, no matter how sure you are of any given wisdom. You begin to wonder how much of it is external and how much is actually just welling up from inside you, spontaneously created. You wonder how much you can control it with your actions, and how much of it you are doomed to without resorting to some sort of substance to quell that font inside of you. Drugs, prescribed or otherwise, offer to manipulate you at levels even you can't fully comprehend. But that thought scares you, like a nuclear option, like a chemical lobotomy. You've started down some of those roads before, and you quietly thank the universe that you did not continue further down a few of them. End of the day, though it hardly makes you feel any better, you sort of feel _lucky_ even to be in the state that you are.
Ah, I should stop. I just wanted to thank you for making this vid. I guess it sort of helps to hear how other people experiencing other circumstances end up encountering some of the same problems. I hope it all at least makes us more empathetic human beings
I've had major depression before and it sucks. From an outside perspective they seem similar but inside its very different. Whereas depression is a total lack of motivation and care, adhd is more like your not fully in control. Your trying to do it but something is pulling you away constantly tantalizing you with some more interesting. And often you don't even realize that you've avoided responsibilities because it was locked away in the not interesting vault.
@@TheCantinaChannel Forgive me if I seemed to compare ADHD and Depression too much-I suppose, like everyone else, I was just trying to relate it to my own experience. Your insight into the differences is intriguing. It really is hard to express the ways in which our very thoughts are locked away from or presented to us internally. To think about thinking is one thing, but to deliberately think outside of our normal thought processes is a thing which almost seems next to impossible. And even for those who can manage it, trying to explain to someone else exactly how to go about thinking in order to approximate your own way of thinking is just... well, words fail that task as tools.
And honestly, when you resort to explaining the physical nature of the brain and how different circumstances affect thought differently, you lose a lot of people. Their prejudice is just to dismiss that entire line of explanation as "identifying with your disability". At least that's my experience-I was reminded of that when you talked about how ADHD was so notoriously over- (and as a tragic result, _under-_ ) diagnosed.
It's easy for someone to wrap their heads around how missing a leg would affect a person's life, but it's weirdly much more difficult for most to understand how different brain chemistries can affect someone's existence. The truth is, modern doors are built for people not much taller than six feet, and modern schools and societies are built for people free from neuro-atypicality, if that's a fair way to describe ADHD and various forms of clinical depression
Every single report from my primary school would say “lack of concentration”. I was kicked off my swim team for not concentrating. I was yelled at for not concentrating until I managed to fake concentrating. Im finally at a school that realised I likely have ADHD and I’m currently in the screening process. I still get good grades because I’ve found ways around my brain not being able to do some things! I can’t keep up with the PowerPoint but I can ask the teacher for a link so I can print them out and highlight them during the lesson. I can’t read books but I can listen to audiobooks. I can’t just sit down and do homework so I do it while listening to music. Sometimes it’s just a matter of learning how to work with the brain you’re given.
Thankfully I was diagnosed since before middle school, so I never really had this problem(In grade school I had other things like getting up at 6 that would explain my lack of focus)but I can't imagine always being told you were a failure.
What's the point of the treadmill? He just thought he was fat.
I have autism and I wasn’t officially diagnosed with having autism until I was 24 years but I think I might possibly have abit of ADHD beaches 🤔
I'm going through this but not with ADHD, with Autism. I have barely told anyone I have it. My teachers expect me to be like the other kids. I listen but still end up not getting a good grade. They don't really know I'm different, they see the signs and just play it off like it's normal. Not to mention I also have anxiety (Diagnosed, Severe Anxiety) I'm so anxious about failing that I don't study, which might sound stupid. Which, yeah, it is. But that's just what my brain does. If I don't study, I might end up forgetting about it just to get very anxious when I take it. I can't help the difference. I wish I could, then I wouldn't be scared. But, oh well, I can't change anything. I should be proud of the difference. That's what everyone who isn't different says.
I hated school because of multiple reasons. They taught it one way and I never understood it because I learn differently. School exhausted me because I was learning in ways that were not helpful to me. The only class I love and I was good at was history. I was good at gym class, too. I was diagnosed with autism and OCD when I was two. I have anxiety (diagnosed at age 7) and depression (diagnosed at age 16), and I think I have ADHD. I am in college, but I am not going to finish because of two classes that are mental torture to me. I am just taking classes that interest me (about history), and to soak up some more knowledge about history. I am staying because of friends at college and good history classes. I commute to my college. I live at home. I am considering just going to work soon, and quitting school. I have a job, and I would much rather do that than two math classes and a lab science course, or two.
damn this is so relatable, I always did better on tests if I didn't study too (not much better but still noticeable). I'm also diagnosed with ADHD as an adult so that makes sense. Thanks for the great videos, especially this one!
In my class my teacher would write notes whenever I finished my work early which was rare, but the notes wouldn’t mean anything. It was just something she did so I can take them to another teacher so I wouldn’t get bored and fidget and something to keep me busy
Just be yourself. I love your videos dude. Regardless of any adhd. I'm glad you have remedied your issue. Sorry that you had to grow up undiagnosed. That would have been hard. I'm glad you've grown into a success regardless. Keep up the great videos dude.
They should make a sitcom where there's a "dumb" character *BUT* that character actually has dyslexia, and instead of being treated like an idiot, his friends just try to help him remember and understand stuff.
Dyslexia doesn't make people stupid, I know one or two people with dyslexia who do not remotely appear "dumb" as you put it
So cool of you to raise awareness with this video! Way to go man!
I had the same problem with ADD, and similarly to you I've just found out I'm bi-polar last year.
Bi-polar or normal emotions that you can express in a way that makes you "depressed" by book definition?
Doctors tried to give me all sorta anti depressants but it was ADHD and at 35yr old i got the right diagnose... :D
@@woldemunster9244 Bi polar 2. couple weeks of highs then normal then weeks of lows, for years I thought it was depression like my mother and two brothers except none of the medication ever worked on me. We found out my paternal grandfather was bipolar and that's where it came from.
I never knew The Cantina openly talks about this none other than Elder Scrolls youtube channel. I was not officially diagnosed but when I think of every Bart's actions felt like he was a relatable character in that particular episode the same way The Cantina did.
My parents blame me and the video games for my limpy actions and the way I always gone into situation where in a situation I shouldn't have gone into. Careless and inattentive in a crucial situations. Even when the time I needed to sleep, I couldn't. Because my mind is like a fricking web browser, constantly active looking for something playing in my head unnecessarily when I need a shut eye. Sometimes, I couldn't get a Well-Rested sleep probably because of it.
thanks for sharing that with us. It was really interesting!
I'm glad you are the way you are mate because you create great material
yeah man, i was fortunate to figure it out sophomore year in college. Took me 8 years to graduate but I did it!!
I once had a microbiology professor pull me into her office and say "hey, your one of my most knowledgable students with microbio in class, what's going on?". As she handed me a badly flunking midterm. I was that kid who wouldnt shut up in class with answering questions. I should add that I was volunteering at a systematics lab and had studied microbio for years for fun hahah. Sorry, it took you so long.. its really frustrating to hear about these cases where students just need a different way of learning. take care !
Great video and topic 😊
This video, and this episode... explains a lot.
I've been dealing with the recent realisation I have ADHD, yeah now. I'm 25 in a few months. And I've only seen a handful of Simpsons episodes, but if I'd seen this or my parents seen this when I was a kid (as they are pretty understanding. Or my mum at least especially), then I probably would have realised then. But I've gone undiagnosed even today officially.
I was diagnosed with a little bit of autism too when I was 11, but no one told me when I was 16, right after graduating school. Knowing I had those too probably would have helped a great deal in my high school years. Instead I failed pretty much every class lol. I do owe that to my teachers too. I hated that school then, I hate it now, and the place was just oblivious to everything.
Anyway, another great video! Love how you're drifting away from almost-purely Oblivion videos and the way you're doing it. (Don't stop doing Oblivion videos though, it's my favourite Elder Scrolls game)
Yeah, this hit really close to home. Great video!
Excellent vid. Hit a little too close to home tho! Especially cuz I just rewatched both of this episodes a couple days ago!