But this guy is not ashamed of westerners whose core values are hypocrisy, theft (stealing from others through colonization), greed, violence (killing others for their lands), and bestiality. So, what actual values do these kinds of people really have?
"I am ashamed to call myself Chinese" This is the colonized mentality. Even if you hate communism, this is not an excuse for being ashamed of your ancestry. People who think like this should find some self-respect.
Exactly! During the 1960 time it was hate and / or fear of the communist party but still associate with the country. You can still love your country even though you may not be a fan of the governing party. Now it is hate of the country and should I say the race too. I cannot say this is the result of colonial education because I was educated through the same system in 1950. During the British rule there was a "political department" which kept external influence at bay. True that it was biased towards Britain but there was no attempt to "de-Chinese" culture. Since the handover in 1997 that department was dissolved. I can only speculate it is the influence of some NGO into the schools, journalism, churches etc that cause a detachment from China. I have to say the hatred is partly caused by inferior complex when China mainland is doing so well.
@@joestki Thank you for your eloquent and uniquely qualified perspective. I learned something new today. I appreciate it and I appreciate what you stand for. 😊
@@joestki Communism is just a red herring. The west will treat the Chinese like shit before, during, and long after until the west becomes the global South they've impoverished and learn some humility.
I would add a point. As a Korean adopted at 7 and half. By White US couple and growing up (white, but clearly Korean). I can tell you it screws with your identity. And hearing this young Chinese boy, say he is ashamed of being Chinese. I get the idea that what I experienced growing up in the US and subtle pressures I was exposed to. And gave me similar sentiment. But I worked through somewhat. My early life experiences help me throw off the insane idea. I am most definitely East Asian and Korean.
It's a bit more understandable for your case cause you grew up in a western environment presumably surrounded mostly by white people, so it would be normal for you to identify more with being "white" growing up. You should be proud that you managed to reconnect with your roots and find pride in your ancestral heritage. It's not an easy thing to accomplish when you're in that kind of situation. KK though is less excusable. The guy literally grew up in the motherland and had plenty of opportunities since childhood to immerse himself in his own ancestral culture, yet chooses to subscribe to the shallow western view of his own homeland vs his fellow countrymen.
"I am ashamed to call myself Chinese... because, for example, Chinese tourists spit on the floor." I'm sorry but your debate opponent was clearly an elitist. He is ashamed of associating himself with a developing country. He is willing to abandon his own ancestors on the mainland just because they were too poor for him. Shameful.
The Idea of Western Democracy and what it actually is, are two very different things. Australia for example is a "Democracy", a nation under full state capture where corporations run the government and directly influence policy, A house built on lies and deception, endless division and hatred. Yes we are afforded the opportunity to vote, regardless of who we vote for the same ruling elite establishment run the country, all that ever changes are usually small insignificant things, usually cultural issues. The Security state is running ramped, censorship and corruption. Inequality is rising, workers rights in serious decline, the media is all controlled by the government as there are very few independent outlets, they are usually swamped in defamation law suits served by the government rendering them bankrupt. If you pay close attention to western democracies they are all moving towards Neo-Liberal societies, small governments, police/security/prison states with exported extreme violence. Just look at the present Geo-political issues world wide. A lot of China's mainland media/social media suppression is in defense of USA political interference, people need to be clear about this issue. Imagine Western Democracy applied to China??....... The world would be burnt to a crisp... "Democracy" isn't something you export.
Most of the Western countries practise democracy at voting time and put it on the shelf for another few years. I read China's view on democracy is result oriented eg Have those policies benefited the people? Is there a mechanism to effect directional change based on changing demand? ... Your judgement which you would prefer!
He says the most important human right is the "freedom of speech", all the while insinuating (like all of the West does) that China doesn't have freedom of speech. China has places to go, both online and offline, to criticize the government about regulations or their actions. I have also personally witnessed protests being held in China, AND have also seen thousands of people protesting about new laws or regulations on weibo. The only difference here is that it doesn't turn into outright chaos AND if enough people speak up then changes are actually made, unlike in my country, The UK, or the USA where nothing ever changes.
I fully concur. We are trapped in a vicious cycle of vote and regret. Nothing is done to improve people's live. Nothing is done to correct the unfair trade practices that favour the corporations, esp. in the S&P Agreement and the Consumer Act. Even if there are legal provisions, it's very expensive to pursue for most people.
You can literally talk-shit about the government here on the streets in China openly and nothing is going to happen to you. It's even ok to comment on someone's weight(a big nono in the west now) as well as make negative comments about someone's appearance + other things that would be considered politically incorrect elsewhere. In many ways, you do have more "freedom" of speech in China.
Saying the most important human right is freedom of speech is such a privileged first world type of thing to say. He should go ask the millions of Iraqis murdered or displaced due to American lies and the mass murdering American military what rights they need and whether any American freedom of speech helped them. He sounds like a complete privileged white American that’s never had to deal with actual terror and murder.
We in France are loosing eyes and arms for protesting in the streets. We can even die, but no one will criticize the country because it's in the West and France is the country of "human's rights"
My last name is Ng, my family is from Hong Kong but I was shocked to see HK protestors wave foreign and pre-colonial flags in their own city. Really really disappointed to see that, it immediately made me realize, these kids have no idea what they are fighting for when they are idealizing invaders that stole their city from their ancestors
Wow, so true. That’s what I thought too…how dare and shameful that they openly carried American flags. Something must be very fishy! Either totally idiotic or brained washed to a crisp, which of course make them idiotic!
HK needs young people like you two, Key Bros, and not those who think highly of themselves but who are really parochial and bigoted in their value judgments. Well done!
This is quite common as remnants of colonist around the world; In-house slaves always despise field slaves. Dressing, walking and talking like their masters somehow give them a false sense of superiority.
In general most of HKers or perhaps some westerners misunderstood the definition of freedom of speech. HKers always think true freedom of speech is unconditional so that you can even mock your own national leaders, just like the US. Fortunately mainland holds a different understanding and version of freedom of speech. Gov leaders should be respected, in fact everyone should be respected indeed. And no freedom can be unconditional in any civilisation. That's also one of the fundamental of rule of law, as most HKers always mentioning from time to time.
Criticizing leaders and government does nothing. The only reason it's mainly done in west and other democracies is so that politicians can throw dirt at each other. Try bring each other down. Never ending power struggle.
Pity the old man that was burn to death because he hold a different opinion then the youth. So much for freedom for speech. Sound more like freedom to kill.
The US doesn’t have unlimited speech either. So many protesters for BLM, labor movements, and Palestine have been beaten and arrested in the past 5 years. One thing that struck me when studying in HK in 2017-18 on the onset of the protests was the open impunity students expected on campus and the power/terror they had on administration that would NEVER be tolerated at an American university. Open threats and personal attacks on the housing administrator and photoshopped banners were plastered with his face on it. In the US, these students wouldn’t be negotiated and pleaded with. They would’ve been expelled with vandalism charges pressed. It’s interesting to me how much HK youth have bought into Western liberal propaganda. I’m not criticizing limits to free speech. The typical example is shouting fire in a crowded theatre or making gun threats to schools. There are reasons and other values to trade free speech against. I just want more critical thought as to what sacrifices are being made, what they’re made for, and fairness when judging different governments, so that they’re held to the same standard
Thanks Keybros. I hope there are more youths like you - educated, open and balanced minded, polite and have solid knowledge of what you are talking about. Most youths nowadays lack these qualities.
I also watched the video, did not realize it has been a year. If you look at the "hker" and his views, I can be sure he won't be able to go far in his career aspiration or in the world. He is so narrow minded and clueless. Only thing I can say is pity him.
The biggest test for Hongkongers who claim they are not Chinese is for them to live and work in the West, particularly in one of the Five Eyes countries. If they get through without experiencing a single racist abuse or incident of discrimination, let us know. Westerners cannot even differentiate between a South Korean, Japanese and Chinese, how can they tell a Hongkonger from a non-Hongkong Chinese?
Ikr I grew up in Australia and I don't feel like I am any better than anyone living in China. And I have always found it annoying that people from HK have this entitlement attitude just because they're from HK. Also my travel experiences in HK in regards to their service level was mostly not good whilst people it was the opposite in China.
You are right to mention the so called "superiority complex" of the hkers over the mainlanders. I remember the hkers calling the mainlanders "Ah Chan", which has derogatory connotations. But I think today, it is more like an "inferiority complex" that's affecting hkers as they see the once "substandard" distant relatives from the mainland overtake them in economic achievements. Whatever, the future is bright. As China becomes richer and more powerful, these hkers and the Taiwanese will change their minds and will relish being a Chinese. Reunification of Taiwan province with the motherland will happen peacefully, no matter how hard the westerners try to keep the two sides apart.
@@rickp354 Nothing suspicious about that. Ever heard of the carrot and the stick? Further, there's nothing as the "Taiwanese airspace", it's just Chinese airspace. What I meant was, the speed at which China is developing, the Taiwanese will feel more pride and endearment towards their motherland and they will eventually be drawn back into the motherland's orbit. More and more Taiwanese will identify with the motherland. Peaceful reunification will occur. I am optimistic. It's human nature to identify with the strong and powerful: 穷在闹市无人问 富在中国有远亲。 当中国富强了，人心自自然然的就会回归了。这是人之常情。
@@rickp354 Fly over Taiwan airspace? Oh you mean Taiwan's ADIZ (air defense identification zone) which happens to cover large area that extends all the way inland to Fujian province. The fact that Chinese fighter planes are flyingway way closer to mainland than Taiwan. Your too simple minded and believe all that crap from western media.
@@rickp354 Flying over Taiwan? No problem, Taiwan is a province of China. Unlike your hypocritical usa and nato that not only flying over other countries airspace, but also dropping bombs all over. You're just a butthurt hypocrite, period.
@@rickp354 hypocrite much? Were your friends in the Vietnam war or Iraq where it’s not even in your own backyard. Oh and keep sticking your head in the head that USA hasn’t instigated and joined Ukraine’s war, going in as mercenaries and supplying millions of dollars worth of military equipment to Ukraine paid for by poor Ukrainians whom is led by the American puppet / Jewel ruler 🥳 fun and games 😉
Congratulations! You’ve done it again Keybros. Balanced, objective and excellent responses to each of the issues /questions raised. I’m a bit concerned for the young man you had as guest on this show. I suspect people like this can become radicalised quite easily because of their personal discontent and inability to open their minds to other perspectives objectively. Keep up the good work.
Not really, the taiwanese are happy with status quo if you see the street interview from asian boss. is only the western media keep stirring news about Taiwan being independent.
HK was ruled by Britain for 156yrs, were the HK people given the rights to vote? Were the Governors voted by the HK people ? Did the British gov improve the housing crisis in HK?.. I was shocked to see the rioters waving the flags of the US, Japan and Britain during the protest, it looks like these youths/thugs have no knowledge of history and were clueless of what they were fighting for..shame on them. For someone who is ashamed of his identity shows he has no self-respect and is filled with low esteem, he needs to grow up and fix his personal issues first rather than comes up with such unintelligent arguments , I feel so pity for him. I am a second generation overseas Chinese and I am proud of my root and identity.
i'm malaysian chinese, my father is fully chinese, my mom is half malaysian half chinese, so facially i dont totally look like a chinese even i look more chinese than malaysian of course, but when i go to china, people still consider me as a brother, i'm happy for that, i feel like i'm not discriminated for being ethnically mixed
Bros, you did well. I saw the CNA video as well. In the debate, you avoided presenting too much information to get the ignorant boy hurt. You tried to make a common ground and being inclusive. It is really commendable!
I’m not only proud of the Keybros I’m proud of all of you who wrote those brilliant and inspiring comments that support logic, reason and self respect for oneself and the country you belong to. When a young person said, I’m ashamed to be Chinese he’s ashamed of his parents, his grandparents, his family, relatives and friends who are Chinese That’s a lot to be ashamed of. And too great a burden to carry. I hope these folks can lay down the burden and assume the confidence of accepting who you are. Look st how confident the Keybros are. I’m so proud of them. They are healthy, intelligent and worthy of our respect. Keep up the good work Keybros and all of you who write in to support this great station
Yes, as Sergei Lavrov opined it is like talking to a dumb and deaf person. He was referring to Liz Truss another dumbo thinking that just because she attended Oxford University she is the cream de la creme. That is furthest from the truth. To see a clown and an imbecile one does not need to go far from Boris the clown. Typical public schoolboy, thinking governance is all about a joke and a circus.
Very interesting points, especially given the hindsight involved. Yes, some people are overly focused on civil liberties while neglecting that social and economic well-being are fundamental human rights. Also people tend to bring up freedoms a lot, but legally speaking, regardless of country, no freedom is absolute. For example, even countries that are called "bastions of democracy" also crack down on protests violently, and there are a number of recent examples of this when they experienced anti-COVID restriction protests. Interesting that the points about censorship were cut out of the interview given that this is a Singaporean outlet, and Singapore itself has also been criticized for censorship and being undemocratic by Western countries.
Singapore has a chimera of democracy. The ruling party used defamation and all mean foul and fair to keep itself in power since the independence from Malaysia in 1963. It pretended to have regular elections to make a mockery of democracy. It is not only undemocratic but it is also a nepotistic state. As the banned nephew of the PM opined that he finds it hard to believe that there is no intelligent being outside the Lee Family to hold the position of the PM. So sad as the island state floundered in the modern era that really required brave and creative souls to lead it but instead is filled with yes men and women or kiasu mentality type.
Human rights differ from nation to nation. America has 21 articles in the constitution to define human right and civil right (more because of the banning slave system), some nation has 10 articles about human right, and some nation has only a few articles to protect human right. Human right is based on what the constitution says. China considers living under a roof with clean water and electricity human rights. The American constitution does not have that. Homelessness is not a human right violation in America. That is not acceptable to the Chinese government.
@@rickp354 There are but the evil Chinese government very forcefully and very harshly coerce the homeless people to go back to a proper life with skill development camps eg "concentration camps" and temporary necessities until their rights to be homeless and living in poverty is erased eg "mind control". Its time for the West to ensure the rights of the poor poor Chinese to be homeless is protected. There I put this in Western media perspective for the "not acceptable to the Chinese government" part
Homelessness is everywhere in USA, I remember like 20 years ago our town only has like 1-2 consistent homeless people but omg now it's like countless of them, and everywhere always standing at intersections panhandling, they used to sell water bottles but now just holding sign that ask for money.
Keybros. You two young intelligent men presenting facts and points of view have showed up how biased, unprofessional and west leaning CNA is. Well done 👋👋👋
Thanks for breaking down that video. I've watched it a while ago on CNA's channel but have known that for time (and continuity)'s sake, a lot of things had been cut. Can't wait for your next video.
Thumbs up key bros, i am very disappointed with CNA for their unfair editing and incorrect labeling of you two fine gentlemen. As always keep fighting the good fight, cheers to you both.
Hi there, greetings from Shanghai! Just learned about your channel from 探骊 on Bilibili, and felt like getting on here and saying a little something...I am profoundly amazed by your incredible course and efforts, and proud to be walking alongside you. Many many others in the mainland felt the same way as I do. So, on behalf of all of us, 有你们和无数爱国港人作同胞是我们的荣幸和骄傲，请继续加油！
Personally, I think many HK youths have limited perspective on mainland influence and have developed a siege mentality. They should absorb more knowledge on history, politics etc before deciding on having a national identity.
When US soldiers raped Vietnamese young girls and women during the Vietnam war, would Joshua comment about human rights in this🙄? Joshua would probably bow to the Americans!! He would also bow to the British, Canadians and Australians!!
My salute to Keybros for daring such a venture. You addressed all the issues VERY WELL! Well Singapore may say it's a "neutral" (a typical stance by many pragmatic nations) but in reality the government and the people are pro-West (generally). Frankly CNA and SCMP are not much different but the latter is worse. Your guest (KK) basically shares the same psychology of those "successful" children from poverty stricken families that refused to recognise their own parents and siblings out of shame and inferiority complex. There's nothing surprising of such phenomenon in psychology. It's simply a DISEASE born out from a weak mind. Also nowadays "democracy" is simply freedom of our bodily "holes" and apertures, which is WRONG. Ppl in many democratic nations are trapped in a vicious cycle of vote and regret. Nothing is done to truly improve people's live. Nothing is done to correct the unfair trade practices that favour the corporations, esp. in the S&P Agreement and the Consumer Act. Even if there are legal provisions, it's very expensive to pursue for most people. Hence most of the "unfairness" are swept under the carpet.
Love you guys truly!! Stand for truth, and one doesn't even have to be Pro-China to see it! Many fail though. funny that when I look into ICCRP it said China is the only country "Signatory that has not ratified"
Thanks for your effort. However, i really dislike such kind of organisation to define "pro beijing" and "pro democracy". The wording is really misleading and it is not fair.
The young HKers never knew that back in 40s - 60s Hong Kong people spit on the street (that's why you may still see signs on the Star Ferry - Do not spit), young kids pee on the street (I did too as a child), no one queued for buses etc which today would be perceived as uncivilised behaviour. It took 1-2 generations to change that. In China there is still a huge gap between large cities and villages in every term including social behaviour.
More like freedom to hate, freedom to discriminate, freedom to disregard, freedom to act against etc. Current democracy doesn't put in the right perspectives and standards that's why is failing.
Perhaps kk needs to have a dialogue with American Born Chinese to have more prospective, especially in light this Ukrainian situation. Many alternative media has been silenced and only pro war voices are circulated. With true human rights alternative voices is needed for truth and justice. Many protesting youths during ’19 only knew of Xinjiang and Tibet, yet silent of Libya Afghanistan Iraq Cuba etc. This shows where the influence comes from, and lacking talking points of true human rights. A new word came out of situation in Ukraine, cannon fodder. Are these youth being useful idiots as cannon fodders for the west to enrich oligarch’s pockets ?
Well Done Key Bros.....Please keep up with what you are doing and hopefully the next generation of Mainland Chinese and Hong Kong Chinese leaders and youths will find more common grounds to built a better OCTS. As for CNA, there are many Singaporeans who view the channel as leaning too much to the west and therefore not impartial when it comes to reporting east-west issues.
I speak mandarin, cantonese, and hokkien. I just consider myself as a Han Chinese. Imagine being a Han Chinese but refused to be called Chinese. I wish young hong kongers and taiwanese can learn more about their history and culture. Can you imagine a Chinese born in the US but refused to be called a Chinese? What a disgrace. 好可悲啊。 Ccp has done many wonders to the development of China. Of course, you can hate the ccp all you want, but why hate the same blooded mainland people? Hong kongers think they should be a whole different country just because they speak cantonese is absurd… they’re not different languages, they are different dialects. A country with rich history has many dialects. Just like how India has hindi, tamil, bengalli and more. Imagine wanting to split because of all these small differences. A country is not all about the politics, it’s about the history, culture, food, traditional music etc. Do they know that their ancestors came from mainland China? The mainland is where the history take place. Three kingdoms, Chinese new year, mid autumn festival, myth of Chang’e, journey to the west, fireworks, gun powder, Chinese ink wash painting, guzheng, hanfu and so much more. Can’t younger generation have a little more love for their own culture? Koreans are literally saying Hanfu copied Koreans clothing, why hong kongers don’t want to protect their traditional costumes? China is an ancient civilisation. Imagine saying India copied Pakistan. Hilarious. Hating ccp is fine. If you hate mainland people, you’re literally hating yourself then. Such a beautiful culture built by your ancestors, but you want to create a whole new identity and refused to be called Chinese. Seems like future isn’t very bright for China, youngsters these days appreciate Japanese and Koreans culture more than the original culture. Not to mention Korean took Chinese culture passively and claimed Chinese are stealing Korean culture. Hope these youngster learn how to love their own culture. Proud of being a Chinese does not mean you’re pro communism. Some hong kongers and taiwanese needs to chill. To hong kongers and taiwanese, china = communism. But they forgot China has beautiful traditional culture, clothing, musics, art, philosophy ETC.
The young man who says he is a hong konger and not a chinese does not know his history. Hong kong was ceded to Britain in the Opium war but was finally returned to China in 1997. I wonder if he is ignorant of the true democracy in China. Is there freedom of speech in the West now?
do the rude chinese people represent the whole population? the same like if feel ashamed of calling myself a british because some british go to other countries, getting drunk, fighting and acting recklessly? every place has horrible people. like i''ve been to china 3 times, 10 cities in total, i never met a rude person or anyone acting a fool in public, i've never been to America but i met a few racist, violent americans in Asia who insulted locals
In my views, these HK youths who condone violence are strongly lacking of civic duty to society and community that the mainlanders are feeling proud of. Ironically, akin to poor claims of some Mainlanders spitting and whatnot.
Hi Keybros, i just got this spisode forwarded to me today in 2023. You guys are fabulous! Your analysis, insights on the HK & Mainland issues should continue. I hope i will see interviews with Taiwanese youth, or of any age as well. The colonized minds can truly be debilitating and trumanizing! Lack of confidence to identify oneself as Chinese living overseas must and can be rectified by having a support group of fellow “ cultural kids or adults” to discuss these issues of “identity”. One can be so proud to see China’s rise and actually rectify their confused pyche. One can read up real history, travel to China, get to know China’s great civilization. One can definitely need to explore the “foreign” country’s culture, people, learn the language well and have freinds of the host country. Anyhow, from my experience, the long and short of it is…know thyself…East-West. You guys are exmemplanry. Thank you for being so conscious of the issue. Indeed I would like to know more how well these Hong Kongers do in the UK! Cheers!👍☮️
It's ashame that one does not recognize his own roots. A wise man once said, you can't lie to the mirror. You just cannot throw away your identity no matter where you go.
Keybros! You’r a brilliant young pair, who are perfectly able and skillful in expressing your cogent and rational views. It’s a pleasure to see and listen to your thoughts and reflections which are convincing because they are evidently supported and validated By historical facts and in contemporary reality. China and the World needs you both as you represent reason and understanding! ♦️♦️♦️
I am 68 a Malaysia also speak fluent cantonese. Talk about the attitude between Chuna and HK young man not the girls. I just want to share some unfortunate incident in HK. Twice l was rejected for asking direction and another was scolded in bad word just to confirm if l am on the right train even l ask politely. But in Chuna l can ask a young man they very helpful. In fact few days ago l too a metro from Luohu Shenzhen to Airport asking a young man how many more stop l need to change to line 11 that goes to airport. Although he told me 4 more stop worried l miss it he ask a train inspected to help me make sure k don’t miss, in HK now days l never will ask a young man again. China has change a lot. More civilise than the young man in HK. I have yet to be rejected by a mainland Chinese whenever k need help.
it's been a long time since your last video. Hope to see more meaningful videos from you both. It's very important that we continue to bring the right attitudes and mentalities to the HK youths.
The superiority complex suffered by the youthful Hongkongers during the last city-wide, outsider-organised, violence-ridden protests is, even up to now, simply perplexing! Keybros should stick to the non-mainstream media. There are several reasons but chiefly, even in Asia, the agenda of the so-called mainstream media is suspect.
Fantastic video! Level headed/reasonable! I hope more of the HK youth see this video and think twice. Peace & communication, should be used. Open their eyes, see the world! They only see things through western eyes, and that is very dangerous! Keep up the good work!😉
If I were you, I wouldn't have taken any mainstream media seriously at all. I am from Singapore. Nobody can better provide a fair and unbiased platform for a balanced discussion other than the media from China and her territories. I shall end with this remark: see how many times you have to qualify the terms and conditions (whatever are those justifications for? Do outsiders care for China? ) before you even get started? Steer clear of mainstream media. They have their respective agenda too.
Great idea on comparing the status of literacy in Tibet in the past and now. These are true measures of a country's progress improvement that need to be mentioned more often!
I watched the interview long ago n Keybros had done an excellent job. Talking about the spitting, actually if u visit some smaller cities in South Korea, Southeast Asia n even Singapore (before they have strict law on public hygiene) occasionally u will find an older generation spitting n some trucks drivers stop on the road to pee in the bush. I even saw an older white foreigner spitting in Thailand, maybe he got cold n had to I think but he did it not as carefree as Asian elderly 😅 Anyway I have noticed that CNA has became more biased on its reports lately, not sure what agenda it’s trying to push ....
Civil propriety in the West has deteriorated quite remarkably over the last 50 years, especially in the UK. One can find people spitting quite often especially among sports "stars" on the pitches and the golf courses even during televised competitions. The genteel society has gone the way of the dinosaurs. Sadly, coarseness and crassness are the order of the day. I agree with your assessment on the biasness of CNA. It is certainly not veering towards the East.
Hong Kong people used to spit a lot in public (before 1980's). Back then, there were signs at many places that tell people not to spit. I guess the guy did not know that Hong Kongers are not always as hygenic as he thinks they are.
@@osiris2u Right, if we observe thoroughly this bad spitting habit was once in the past of every culture...some fortunately got rid of it after many generations n some r still working on getting rid of it.
@@edwinchan5603 I know....it’s really common in Asia luckily only older generation of Asian uncles have this bad habit but younger generations don’t have this habit. Those who say spitting is Chinese thing just trying to cherrypicked what fit their agenda.
😢What is a Hong Kongers? It is not a ethnicity and the descendants of Hong kongers came from China.It is too bad that Kk being colonized so long by the British that he does not know his roots and where his ancestors came from.He does not want to associate with being Chinese because he develop this invisible superiority above the mainland Chinese. How pathetic and sad!
You two did very well in explaining your views. The other side unfortunately had not given the opportunity to speak in depth how his views formed. The statements he made are very shallow such as splitting in China that were common many years ago due to different pace of civilisation. He also mentioned that young people in Hong Kong do not share the same opinions with the mainlanders. I am not sure if he ever tried. In short, I hope the debate can give the other party a chance to elaborate further about his views.
Doesn't matter if you are Mainland, HK, or Taiwanese when you are abroad. The first thing people see is Chinese and you should be confidently prepared knowing that fact.
I lost you two a few months ago, not until recently that I realise I had missed so many of your videos. So glad to find you guys back😍😍, what happened to RUclips? Why I wasn’t informed about your videos?🤔
I commend both Keybros and the young chap who holds a different view, to be able to talk peacefully. If everyone in Hong Kong could speak peacefully with those with differing views, the 2019 riots would not have occurred. I hope Keybros's channel can reach out to more people especially those in Hong Kong, so they can learn to think. It is very sad to hear someone says he's ashamed of his own people because they spit on the ground. We all have a learning curve.
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When someone demonstrates such shame of their home and their own people, how and why would anyone trust their vision on what Hong Kong should be?
No doubt he will live a miserable life for sure.
But this guy is not ashamed of westerners whose core values are hypocrisy, theft (stealing from others through colonization), greed, violence (killing others for their lands), and bestiality.
So, what actual values do these kinds of people really have?
He should live in USA
They got brainwashed by western media that's operating in Hong Kong to self hate their own ancestry.
@@inkbold8511 he needs to grow up, travel the world and educate himself, hopefully he will heal and overcome his inferiority
"I am ashamed to call myself Chinese"
This is the colonized mentality. Even if you hate communism, this is not an excuse for being ashamed of your ancestry. People who think like this should find some self-respect.
Exactly! During the 1960 time it was hate and / or fear of the communist party but still associate with the country. You can still love your country even though you may not be a fan of the governing party. Now it is hate of the country and should I say the race too. I cannot say this is the result of colonial education because I was educated through the same system in 1950. During the British rule there was a "political department" which kept external influence at bay. True that it was biased towards Britain but there was no attempt to "de-Chinese" culture. Since the handover in 1997 that department was dissolved. I can only speculate it is the influence of some NGO into the schools, journalism, churches etc that cause a detachment from China. I have to say the hatred is partly caused by inferior complex when China mainland is doing so well.
@@joestki Thank you for your eloquent and uniquely qualified perspective. I learned something new today. I appreciate it and I appreciate what you stand for. 😊
@@joestki Communism is just a red herring. The west will treat the Chinese like shit before, during, and long after until the west becomes the global South they've impoverished and learn some humility.
一群可怜的殖人
殖民主义也余孽
I would add a point. As a Korean adopted at 7 and half. By White US couple and growing up (white, but clearly Korean). I can tell you it screws with your identity. And hearing this young Chinese boy, say he is ashamed of being Chinese. I get the idea that what I experienced growing up in the US and subtle pressures I was exposed to. And gave me similar sentiment. But I worked through somewhat. My early life experiences help me throw off the insane idea. I am most definitely East Asian and Korean.
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Love yourself! Don't hate yourself or your race just because white Americans media say so!
It's a bit more understandable for your case cause you grew up in a western environment presumably surrounded mostly by white people, so it would be normal for you to identify more with being "white" growing up. You should be proud that you managed to reconnect with your roots and find pride in your ancestral heritage. It's not an easy thing to accomplish when you're in that kind of situation.
KK though is less excusable. The guy literally grew up in the motherland and had plenty of opportunities since childhood to immerse himself in his own ancestral culture, yet chooses to subscribe to the shallow western view of his own homeland vs his fellow countrymen.
I watched it from CNA, and you have received overwhelmed support from the audience in the comment session. Well done!
Would you please share the link here?
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This is the youtube video: v=n1dId2jZhyU
"I am ashamed to call myself Chinese... because, for example, Chinese tourists spit on the floor."
I'm sorry but your debate opponent was clearly an elitist. He is ashamed of associating himself with a developing country. He is willing to abandon his own ancestors on the mainland just because they were too poor for him. Shameful.
This so-called pro-democracy guy shows how naive, ignorant and racist he really is.
His suffering inferiority complex.
I m so so sorry and sad to see this guy. Does he actually has some brain to think before he open his mouth. 🥲
Cantonese called these people "thor sui ka"
Fair chance he idolizes British...and if so, it would be ironic as the Brits have a spitting culture.too.
The Idea of Western Democracy and what it actually is, are two very different things. Australia for example is a "Democracy", a nation under full state capture where corporations run the government and directly influence policy, A house built on lies and deception, endless division and hatred.
Yes we are afforded the opportunity to vote, regardless of who we vote for the same ruling elite establishment run the country, all that ever changes are usually small insignificant things, usually cultural issues. The Security state is running ramped, censorship and corruption. Inequality is rising, workers rights in serious decline, the media is all controlled by the government as there are very few independent outlets, they are usually swamped in defamation law suits served by the government rendering them bankrupt.
If you pay close attention to western democracies they are all moving towards Neo-Liberal societies, small governments, police/security/prison states with exported extreme violence. Just look at the present Geo-political issues world wide.
A lot of China's mainland media/social media suppression is in defense of USA political interference, people need to be clear about this issue.
Imagine Western Democracy applied to China??....... The world would be burnt to a crisp... "Democracy" isn't something you export.
Most Democracy, you have the illusion that you had the right to vote.
@@stvdmc2011 Correct and elected politicians' loyalty is to those who supported their campaign financially and not those who voted for them.
Well said. Western “democracy” is an illusion, most people have been pumped too full of the opium of propaganda to notice.
Most of the Western countries practise democracy at voting time and put it on the shelf for another few years. I read China's view on democracy is result oriented eg Have those policies benefited the people? Is there a mechanism to effect directional change based on changing demand? ... Your judgement which you would prefer!
Very well said. I wish I could give you a million thumbs up!
Ryan, 我是一個三年前已訂閱了你頻道的老觀眾，當時看你視頻已感不錯, 今天看了你在沖先生的新視頻, 想跟你說, 當前國家有困難, 人人守土有責，希望你再接再勵, 再站出來拍視頻, 說好中國故事。
He says the most important human right is the "freedom of speech", all the while insinuating (like all of the West does) that China doesn't have freedom of speech.
China has places to go, both online and offline, to criticize the government about regulations or their actions. I have also personally witnessed protests being held in China, AND have also seen thousands of people protesting about new laws or regulations on weibo.
The only difference here is that it doesn't turn into outright chaos AND if enough people speak up then changes are actually made, unlike in my country, The UK, or the USA where nothing ever changes.
You know the truth , yet you keep silent ...
I fully concur. We are trapped in a vicious cycle of vote and regret. Nothing is done to improve people's live. Nothing is done to correct the unfair trade practices that favour the corporations, esp. in the S&P Agreement and the Consumer Act. Even if there are legal provisions, it's very expensive to pursue for most people.
You can literally talk-shit about the government here on the streets in China openly and nothing is going to happen to you. It's even ok to comment on someone's weight(a big nono in the west now) as well as make negative comments about someone's appearance + other things that would be considered politically incorrect elsewhere. In many ways, you do have more "freedom" of speech in China.
Saying the most important human right is freedom of speech is such a privileged first world type of thing to say. He should go ask the millions of Iraqis murdered or displaced due to American lies and the mass murdering American military what rights they need and whether any American freedom of speech helped them. He sounds like a complete privileged white American that’s never had to deal with actual terror and murder.
We in France are loosing eyes and arms for protesting in the streets. We can even die, but no one will criticize the country because it's in the West and France is the country of "human's rights"
My last name is Ng, my family is from Hong Kong but I was shocked to see HK protestors wave foreign and pre-colonial flags in their own city. Really really disappointed to see that, it immediately made me realize, these kids have no idea what they are fighting for when they are idealizing invaders that stole their city from their ancestors
Totally brainwashed
yeah the western brainwashing is strong
Wow, so true. That’s what I thought too…how dare and shameful that they openly carried American flags. Something must be very fishy!
Either totally idiotic or brained washed to a crisp, which of course make them idiotic!
HK needs young people like you two, Key Bros, and not those who think highly of themselves but who are really parochial and bigoted in their value judgments. Well done!
This is quite common as remnants of colonist around the world; In-house slaves always despise field slaves. Dressing, walking and talking like their masters somehow give them a false sense of superiority.
In general most of HKers or perhaps some westerners misunderstood the definition of freedom of speech. HKers always think true freedom of speech is unconditional so that you can even mock your own national leaders, just like the US. Fortunately mainland holds a different understanding and version of freedom of speech. Gov leaders should be respected, in fact everyone should be respected indeed. And no freedom can be unconditional in any civilisation. That's also one of the fundamental of rule of law, as most HKers always mentioning from time to time.
Criticizing leaders and government does nothing. The only reason it's mainly done in west and other democracies is so that politicians can throw dirt at each other. Try bring each other down. Never ending power struggle.
Pity the old man that was burn to death because he hold a different opinion then the youth. So much for freedom for speech. Sound more like freedom to kill.
The US doesn’t have unlimited speech either. So many protesters for BLM, labor movements, and Palestine have been beaten and arrested in the past 5 years. One thing that struck me when studying in HK in 2017-18 on the onset of the protests was the open impunity students expected on campus and the power/terror they had on administration that would NEVER be tolerated at an American university. Open threats and personal attacks on the housing administrator and photoshopped banners were plastered with his face on it. In the US, these students wouldn’t be negotiated and pleaded with. They would’ve been expelled with vandalism charges pressed. It’s interesting to me how much HK youth have bought into Western liberal propaganda. I’m not criticizing limits to free speech. The typical example is shouting fire in a crowded theatre or making gun threats to schools. There are reasons and other values to trade free speech against. I just want more critical thought as to what sacrifices are being made, what they’re made for, and fairness when judging different governments, so that they’re held to the same standard
Thanks Keybros. I hope there are more youths like you - educated, open and balanced minded, polite and have solid knowledge of what you are talking about. Most youths nowadays lack these qualities.
I also watched the video, did not realize it has been a year. If you look at the "hker" and his views, I can be sure he won't be able to go far in his career aspiration or in the world. He is so narrow minded and clueless. Only thing I can say is pity him.
The biggest test for Hongkongers who claim they are not Chinese is for them to live and work in the West, particularly in one of the Five Eyes countries. If they get through without experiencing a single racist abuse or incident of discrimination, let us know. Westerners cannot even differentiate between a South Korean, Japanese and Chinese, how can they tell a Hongkonger from a non-Hongkong Chinese?
I heard many if those who fled to UK are crying now; no work, most doing odd jobs, some no shelter, etc...
Ikr I grew up in Australia and I don't feel like I am any better than anyone living in China. And I have always found it annoying that people from HK have this entitlement attitude just because they're from HK. Also my travel experiences in HK in regards to their service level was mostly not good whilst people it was the opposite in China.
You are right to mention the so called "superiority complex" of the hkers over the mainlanders. I remember the hkers calling the mainlanders "Ah Chan", which has derogatory connotations. But I think today, it is more like an "inferiority complex" that's affecting hkers as they see the once "substandard" distant relatives from the mainland overtake them in economic achievements.
Whatever, the future is bright. As China becomes richer and more powerful, these hkers and the Taiwanese will change their minds and will relish being a Chinese. Reunification of Taiwan province with the motherland will happen peacefully, no matter how hard the westerners try to keep the two sides apart.
So peacefully taking over Taiwan is why the CCP is constantly flying their fighters over Taiwan air space? Sounds a bit suspect does it not?
@@rickp354 Nothing suspicious about that. Ever heard of the carrot and the stick? Further, there's nothing as the "Taiwanese airspace", it's just Chinese airspace.
What I meant was, the speed at which China is developing, the Taiwanese will feel more pride and endearment towards their motherland and they will eventually be drawn back into the motherland's orbit. More and more Taiwanese will identify with the motherland. Peaceful reunification will occur. I am optimistic. It's human nature to identify with the strong and powerful:
穷在闹市无人问
富在中国有远亲。
当中国富强了，人心自自然然的就会回归了。这是人之常情。
@@rickp354 Fly over Taiwan airspace? Oh you mean Taiwan's ADIZ (air defense identification zone) which happens to cover large area that extends all the way inland to Fujian province. The fact that Chinese fighter planes are flyingway way closer to mainland than Taiwan.
Your too simple minded and believe all that crap from western media.
@@rickp354 Flying over Taiwan? No problem, Taiwan is a province of China. Unlike your hypocritical usa and nato that not only flying over other countries airspace, but also dropping bombs all over. You're just a butthurt hypocrite, period.
@@rickp354 hypocrite much? Were your friends in the Vietnam war or Iraq where it’s not even in your own backyard. Oh and keep sticking your head in the head that USA hasn’t instigated and joined Ukraine’s war, going in as mercenaries and supplying millions of dollars worth of military equipment to Ukraine paid for by poor Ukrainians whom is led by the American puppet / Jewel ruler 🥳 fun and games 😉
Singaporean here. Got nothing to say about where I stand, got everything to say that HK is China. Especially now.
Is CNA a West leaning media?
Yup, there is no denying that HK is part of china.
Congratulations! You’ve done it again Keybros. Balanced, objective and excellent responses to each of the issues /questions raised. I’m a bit concerned for the young man you had as guest on this show. I suspect people like this can become radicalised quite easily because of their personal discontent and inability to open their minds to other perspectives objectively. Keep up the good work.
He will be out there protesting again, when called to action! Sorry, that he can't change his DNA.
Effect of Western colonizers mentality on hk and Taiwan people is just high
Not really, the taiwanese are happy with status quo if you see the street interview from asian boss. is only the western media keep stirring news about Taiwan being independent.
HK was ruled by Britain for 156yrs, were the HK people given the rights to vote? Were the Governors voted by the HK people ? Did the British gov improve the housing crisis in HK?..
I was shocked to see the rioters waving the flags of the US, Japan and Britain during the protest, it looks like these youths/thugs have no knowledge of history and were clueless of what they were fighting for..shame on them.
For someone who is ashamed of his identity shows he has no self-respect and is filled with low esteem, he needs to grow up and fix his personal issues first rather than comes up with such unintelligent arguments , I feel so pity for him.
I am a second generation overseas Chinese and I am proud of my root and identity.
i'm malaysian chinese, my father is fully chinese, my mom is half malaysian half chinese, so facially i dont totally look like a chinese even i look more chinese than malaysian of course, but when i go to china, people still consider me as a brother, i'm happy for that, i feel like i'm not discriminated for being ethnically mixed
Bros, you did well. I saw the CNA video as well. In the debate, you avoided presenting too much information to get the ignorant boy hurt. You tried to make a common ground and being inclusive. It is really commendable!
I’m not only proud of the Keybros I’m proud of all of you who wrote those brilliant and inspiring comments that support logic, reason and self respect for oneself and the country you belong to. When a young person said, I’m ashamed to be Chinese he’s ashamed of his parents, his grandparents, his family, relatives and friends who are Chinese That’s a lot to be ashamed of. And too great a burden to carry. I hope these folks can lay down the burden and assume the confidence of accepting who you are. Look st how confident the Keybros are. I’m so proud of them. They are healthy, intelligent and worthy of our respect. Keep up the good work Keybros and all of you who write in to support this great station
There’s only ONE China which includes Hong Kong and Taiwan!
It's pointless asking an ignorant and close minded dumb and so call educated robot who only react to what's been fed to him over and over again.
Yes, as Sergei Lavrov opined it is like talking to a dumb and deaf person. He was referring to Liz Truss another dumbo thinking that just because she attended Oxford University she is the cream de la creme. That is furthest from the truth. To see a clown and an imbecile one does not need to go far from Boris the clown. Typical public schoolboy, thinking governance is all about a joke and a circus.
Very interesting points, especially given the hindsight involved.
Yes, some people are overly focused on civil liberties while neglecting that social and economic well-being are fundamental human rights. Also people tend to bring up freedoms a lot, but legally speaking, regardless of country, no freedom is absolute. For example, even countries that are called "bastions of democracy" also crack down on protests violently, and there are a number of recent examples of this when they experienced anti-COVID restriction protests.
Interesting that the points about censorship were cut out of the interview given that this is a Singaporean outlet, and Singapore itself has also been criticized for censorship and being undemocratic by Western countries.
Singapore has a chimera of democracy. The ruling party used defamation and all mean foul and fair to keep itself in power since the independence from Malaysia in 1963. It pretended to have regular elections to make a mockery of democracy. It is not only undemocratic but it is also a nepotistic state. As the banned nephew of the PM opined that he finds it hard to believe that there is no intelligent being outside the Lee Family to hold the position of the PM. So sad as the island state floundered in the modern era that really required brave and creative souls to lead it but instead is filled with yes men and women or kiasu mentality type.
Human rights differ from nation to nation. America has 21 articles in the constitution to define human right and civil right (more because of the banning slave system), some nation has 10 articles about human right, and some nation has only a few articles to protect human right. Human right is based on what the constitution says. China considers living under a roof with clean water and electricity human rights. The American constitution does not have that. Homelessness is not a human right violation in America. That is not acceptable to the Chinese government.
So there are no homeless people in China? Ha ha that's a farce!
@@rickp354 Show me hte image of homeless in China? You can not find one. n the other hand, it is like slum in LA, NY, and Cicago.
@@rickp354 There are but the evil Chinese government very forcefully and very harshly coerce the homeless people to go back to a proper life with skill development camps eg "concentration camps" and temporary necessities until their rights to be homeless and living in poverty is erased eg "mind control". Its time for the West to ensure the rights of the poor poor Chinese to be homeless is protected. There I put this in Western media perspective for the "not acceptable to the Chinese government" part
Homelessness is everywhere in USA, I remember like 20 years ago our town only has like 1-2 consistent homeless people but omg now it's like countless of them, and everywhere always standing at intersections panhandling, they used to sell water bottles but now just holding sign that ask for money.
Gun violence that killed thousands every year also not a human rights issue in US
Great work as always guys! Superb ambassadors for the HK we all love.
非常支持兄弟的视频，作为一个80年代出生在东北的堂堂正正中国人，我只想对他说，从野蛮到文明，从贫穷到富有，伟大的国家和优秀的民族都是在贫穷和不堪中站起来的。狭隘与傲慢只会让自己被时代抛弃，因为世界在变，而他却不愿做出任何改变，始终保持着一种优越感和对内地的刻板印象，对大陆的城市发展和经济上的成就视而不见。我不会说我的国家是完美的，但她一直很努力，我愿意陪她，等她，我也会告诉我的孩子，正是因为这个国家，他才拥有平安和富足，远离战火与饥饿。
關於吐痰那事，我去台灣旅遊，坐巴士時，我見過一女士在挖鼻孔，直接就抺在窗框下，一下巴士，就被一大嬸吐口痰在我鞋子上，那還是台灣島比較發達的新北市，我印象非常深刻，不知這位hongkonger會不會說她們是從大陸來的，不過，我去大陸旅遊、出差那麼多次，至少從未試過被人吐痰在鞋子上，我還在深圳遇到要搭車零錢不夠，想找便利店找散，問一警察，他正想指路，想一想又掏出幾塊零錢給我搭車，這事我也印象深刻
Keybros. You two young intelligent men presenting facts and points of view have showed up how biased, unprofessional and west leaning CNA is. Well done 👋👋👋
Thanks for breaking down that video. I've watched it a while ago on CNA's channel but have known that for time (and continuity)'s sake, a lot of things had been cut. Can't wait for your next video.
Thumbs up key bros, i am very disappointed with CNA for their unfair editing and incorrect labeling of you two fine gentlemen. As always keep fighting the good fight, cheers to you both.
Very good video. Keep up the amazing work you guys do.
Hi there, greetings from Shanghai! Just learned about your channel from 探骊 on Bilibili, and felt like getting on here and saying a little something...I am profoundly amazed by your incredible course and efforts, and proud to be walking alongside you. Many many others in the mainland felt the same way as I do.
So, on behalf of all of us, 有你们和无数爱国港人作同胞是我们的荣幸和骄傲，请继续加油！
Personally, I think many HK youths have limited perspective on mainland influence and have developed a siege mentality. They should absorb more knowledge on history, politics etc before deciding on having a national identity.
Great video guys, soo much damage has done by foreign media and influence but you guys are doing a great job of showing the truth!
Brilliant new generation of the young Chinese people with wide minded thinking , support you
When US soldiers raped Vietnamese young girls and women during the Vietnam war, would Joshua comment about human rights in this🙄? Joshua would probably bow to the Americans!! He would also bow to the British, Canadians and Australians!!
My salute to Keybros for daring such a venture. You addressed all the issues VERY WELL! Well Singapore may say it's a "neutral" (a typical stance by many pragmatic nations) but in reality the government and the people are pro-West (generally).
Frankly CNA and SCMP are not much different but the latter is worse.
Your guest (KK) basically shares the same psychology of those "successful" children from poverty stricken families that refused to recognise their own parents and siblings out of shame and inferiority complex. There's nothing surprising of such phenomenon in psychology. It's simply a DISEASE born out from a weak mind.
Also nowadays "democracy" is simply freedom of our bodily "holes" and apertures, which is WRONG.
Ppl in many democratic nations are trapped in a vicious cycle of vote and regret. Nothing is done to truly improve people's live. Nothing is done to correct the unfair trade practices that favour the corporations, esp. in the S&P Agreement and the Consumer Act. Even if there are legal provisions, it's very expensive to pursue for most people. Hence most of the "unfairness" are swept under the carpet.
Channel News America would serve better!
Love you guys truly!! Stand for truth, and one doesn't even have to be Pro-China to see it! Many fail though.
funny that when I look into ICCRP it said China is the only country "Signatory that has not ratified"
Thanks for your effort.
However, i really dislike such kind of organisation to define "pro beijing" and "pro democracy". The wording is really misleading and it is not fair.
Well done Keybros👍. Very well presented
The young HKers never knew that back in 40s - 60s Hong Kong people spit on the street (that's why you may still see signs on the Star Ferry - Do not spit), young kids pee on the street (I did too as a child), no one queued for buses etc which today would be perceived as uncivilised behaviour. It took 1-2 generations to change that. In China there is still a huge gap between large cities and villages in every term including social behaviour.
Bruce lee fight for chinese identity
Hongkong terrorists : we are not chinese
More like freedom to hate, freedom to discriminate, freedom to disregard, freedom to act against etc. Current democracy doesn't put in the right perspectives and standards that's why is failing.
Perhaps kk needs to have a dialogue with American Born Chinese to have more prospective, especially in light this Ukrainian situation. Many alternative media has been silenced and only pro war voices are circulated. With true human rights alternative voices is needed for truth and justice. Many protesting youths during ’19 only knew of Xinjiang and Tibet, yet silent of Libya Afghanistan Iraq Cuba etc. This shows where the influence comes from, and lacking talking points of true human rights. A new word came out of situation in Ukraine, cannon fodder. Are these youth being useful idiots as cannon fodders for the west to enrich oligarch’s pockets ?
Well Done Key Bros.....Please keep up with what you are doing and hopefully the next generation of Mainland Chinese and Hong Kong Chinese leaders and youths will find more common grounds to built a better OCTS. As for CNA, there are many Singaporeans who view the channel as leaning too much to the west and therefore not impartial when it comes to reporting east-west issues.
I feel the same way, CNA is definitely pro WEST but they do it in a subtle way.
They didn't used to be like that in the early days. Sad
Yes they don’t show the complete picture in a non biased way. I’m so ashamed of their stance n…..
English language channels in SE Asia are overwhelming staffed by white expats so it's not surprising.
@@mnbr6884 actually not the case in Singapore, just a lot of Asian Americans, UK, Australian and heavily western influenced English educated Asians.
Appreciate and support Keybros!
I speak mandarin, cantonese, and hokkien. I just consider myself as a Han Chinese. Imagine being a Han Chinese but refused to be called Chinese. I wish young hong kongers and taiwanese can learn more about their history and culture. Can you imagine a Chinese born in the US but refused to be called a Chinese? What a disgrace. 好可悲啊。 Ccp has done many wonders to the development of China. Of course, you can hate the ccp all you want, but why hate the same blooded mainland people?
Hong kongers think they should be a whole different country just because they speak cantonese is absurd… they’re not different languages, they are different dialects. A country with rich history has many dialects. Just like how India has hindi, tamil, bengalli and more. Imagine wanting to split because of all these small differences. A country is not all about the politics, it’s about the history, culture, food, traditional music etc. Do they know that their ancestors came from mainland China? The mainland is where the history take place. Three kingdoms, Chinese new year, mid autumn festival, myth of Chang’e, journey to the west, fireworks, gun powder, Chinese ink wash painting, guzheng, hanfu and so much more. Can’t younger generation have a little more love for their own culture? Koreans are literally saying Hanfu copied Koreans clothing, why hong kongers don’t want to protect their traditional costumes? China is an ancient civilisation. Imagine saying India copied Pakistan. Hilarious. Hating ccp is fine. If you hate mainland people, you’re literally hating yourself then. Such a beautiful culture built by your ancestors, but you want to create a whole new identity and refused to be called Chinese. Seems like future isn’t very bright for China, youngsters these days appreciate Japanese and Koreans culture more than the original culture. Not to mention Korean took Chinese culture passively and claimed Chinese are stealing Korean culture. Hope these youngster learn how to love their own culture. Proud of being a Chinese does not mean you’re pro communism. Some hong kongers and taiwanese needs to chill. To hong kongers and taiwanese, china = communism. But they forgot China has beautiful traditional culture, clothing, musics, art, philosophy ETC.
You guys are AWESOME 🤩
I saw this on CNA - really enjoyed the debate!
Cheers Andy! Hope you enjoyed this one too
The young man who says he is a hong konger and not a chinese does not know his history. Hong kong was ceded to Britain in the Opium war but was finally returned to China in 1997. I wonder if he is ignorant of the true democracy in China. Is there freedom of speech in the West now?
👍I agree with your mindset any time, Key Bros. Keep up the good work. Thank you❣
"I am ashamed to call myself Chinese", this broken Asian is a disgrace to all Asians how embarrassing.
do the rude chinese people represent the whole population? the same like if feel ashamed of calling myself a british because some british go to other countries, getting drunk, fighting and acting recklessly? every place has horrible people. like i''ve been to china 3 times, 10 cities in total, i never met a rude person or anyone acting a fool in public, i've never been to America but i met a few racist, violent americans in Asia who insulted locals
he is totally indoctrinated with some western bullshit feeling like he or hongkong people are superior the the mainland people
What ever happen to this channel, you guys were doing sterling work. Hope you have more to upload soon.
So these HK youths were proud of themselves when they were burning down everything 🤔 😳 😅
In my views, these HK youths who condone violence are strongly lacking of civic duty to society and community that the mainlanders are feeling proud of. Ironically, akin to poor claims of some Mainlanders spitting and whatnot.
Hi Keybros, i just got this spisode forwarded to me today in 2023. You guys are fabulous! Your analysis, insights on the HK & Mainland issues should continue. I hope i will see interviews with Taiwanese youth, or of any age as well.
The colonized minds can truly be debilitating and trumanizing! Lack of confidence to identify oneself as Chinese living overseas must and can be rectified by having a support group of fellow “ cultural kids or adults” to discuss these issues of “identity”. One can be so proud to see China’s rise and actually rectify their confused pyche. One can read up real history, travel to China, get to know China’s great civilization. One can definitely need to explore the “foreign” country’s culture, people, learn the language well and have freinds of the host country. Anyhow, from my experience, the long and short of it is…know thyself…East-West.
You guys are exmemplanry. Thank you for being so conscious of the issue. Indeed I would like to know more how well these Hong Kongers do in the UK! Cheers!👍☮️
It's ashame that one does not recognize his own roots. A wise man once said, you can't lie to the mirror. You just cannot throw away your identity no matter where you go.
With you guys around our voices can finally be heard. Well done Keybros.
Keybros! You’r a brilliant young pair, who are perfectly able and skillful in expressing your cogent and rational views. It’s a pleasure to see and listen to your thoughts and reflections which are convincing because they are evidently supported and validated
By historical facts and in contemporary
reality.
China and the World needs you both as you represent reason and understanding!
♦️♦️♦️
Kudos to keybros👍👍👍💪💪💪💪
Well done, guys! Brilliant!
Thank you Keybros. Always impressed by your rational presentations supported by relevant cases and facts.
CNA can't even get it right Guangzhou and Hong Kong...what a shame
I am 68 a Malaysia also speak fluent cantonese. Talk about the attitude between Chuna and HK young man not the girls. I just want to share some unfortunate incident in HK. Twice l was rejected for asking direction and another was scolded in bad word just to confirm if l am on the right train even l ask politely. But in Chuna l can ask a young man they very helpful. In fact few days ago l too a metro from Luohu Shenzhen to Airport asking a young man how many more stop l need to change to line 11 that goes to airport. Although he told me 4 more stop worried l miss it he ask a train inspected to help me make sure k don’t miss, in HK now days l never will ask a young man again. China has change a lot. More civilise than the young man in HK. I have yet to be rejected by a mainland Chinese whenever k need help.
again, proud to have young people like you two in HK, and I can see the future of our new generation👍👍💪💪
it's been a long time since your last video. Hope to see more meaningful videos from you both. It's very important that we continue to bring the right attitudes and mentalities to the HK youths.
Well done Keybros! Happy to see the youth, like two of you, understand the truth (明白事理）👍
Great video - so proud of you guys.
Keybros produced excellent and informative talks. Keep the good work!! 💪
The superiority complex suffered by the youthful Hongkongers during the last city-wide, outsider-organised, violence-ridden protests is, even up to now, simply perplexing! Keybros should stick to the non-mainstream media. There are several reasons but chiefly, even in Asia, the agenda of the so-called mainstream media is suspect.
CNA is a banana news channel.
“I pointed out that censorship exists in the west too, but this was cut out”😂
Fantastic video! Level headed/reasonable! I hope more of the HK youth see this video and think twice. Peace & communication, should be used. Open their eyes, see the world! They only see things through western eyes, and that is very dangerous! Keep up the good work!😉
You guys are doing a great job!!
Thank you Keybros - I discovered you from Simu Lam's channel today. Much respect to you! You have a brilliant and moral mind
If I were you, I wouldn't have taken any mainstream media seriously at all. I am from Singapore. Nobody can better provide a fair and unbiased platform for a balanced discussion other than the media from China and her territories. I shall end with this remark: see how many times you have to qualify the terms and conditions (whatever are those justifications for? Do outsiders care for China? ) before you even get started? Steer clear of mainstream media. They have their respective agenda too.
Well said Keybros at 5:19, but sadly many anti-China people who themselves are also ethnic Chinese constantly use the term that you had mentioned.
Great idea on comparing the status of literacy in Tibet in the past and now. These are true measures of a country's progress improvement that need to be mentioned more often!
I watched the interview long ago n Keybros had done an excellent job. Talking about the spitting, actually if u visit some smaller cities in South Korea, Southeast Asia n even Singapore (before they have strict law on public hygiene) occasionally u will find an older generation spitting n some trucks drivers stop on the road to pee in the bush. I even saw an older white foreigner spitting in Thailand, maybe he got cold n had to I think but he did it not as carefree as Asian elderly 😅
Anyway I have noticed that CNA has became more biased on its reports lately, not sure what agenda it’s trying to push ....
Civil propriety in the West has deteriorated quite remarkably over the last 50 years, especially in the UK. One can find people spitting quite often especially among sports "stars" on the pitches and the golf courses even during televised competitions. The genteel society has gone the way of the dinosaurs. Sadly, coarseness and crassness are the order of the day.
I agree with your assessment on the biasness of CNA. It is certainly not veering towards the East.
Hong Kong people used to spit a lot in public (before 1980's). Back then, there were signs at many places that tell people not to spit. I guess the guy did not know that Hong Kongers are not always as hygenic as he thinks they are.
@@osiris2u Right, if we observe thoroughly this bad spitting habit was once in the past of every culture...some fortunately got rid of it after many generations n some r still working on getting rid of it.
@@edwinchan5603 I know....it’s really common in Asia luckily only older generation of Asian uncles have this bad habit but younger generations don’t have this habit. Those who say spitting is Chinese thing just trying to cherrypicked what fit their agenda.
为两位年轻的香港人点赞！！！其时哪里是否有人权，那里的人民最有发言权。有你们这一代的年轻人，中华民族更有希望！
Let’s go Keybros! 😍
Are you guys ok? i've been missing your videos...
😢What is a Hong Kongers? It is not a ethnicity and the descendants of Hong kongers came from China.It is too bad that Kk being colonized so long by the British that he does not know his roots and where his ancestors came from.He does not want to associate with being Chinese because he develop this invisible superiority above the mainland Chinese. How pathetic and sad!
You two did very well in explaining your views. The other side unfortunately had not given the opportunity to speak in depth how his views formed. The statements he made are very shallow such as splitting in China that were common many years ago due to different pace of civilisation. He also mentioned that young people in Hong Kong do not share the same opinions with the mainlanders. I am not sure if he ever tried. In short, I hope the debate can give the other party a chance to elaborate further about his views.
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What! Hong Kong is not Chinese?😂 I guess he was trying to tell me that he is alien and not human😟
Thank u very much Keybros! Already subscribed to u, wish u all the best!
Another good video, waiting for your next one. Thanks.
When the UK ruled HK did the people have the right to vote? Answer is NO
Doesn't matter if you are Mainland, HK, or Taiwanese when you are abroad. The first thing people see is Chinese and you should be confidently prepared knowing that fact.
hi keybros great🤗🤗
I lost you two a few months ago, not until recently that I realise I had missed so many of your videos. So glad to find you guys back😍😍, what happened to RUclips? Why I wasn’t informed about your videos?🤔
Your talk about censorship in 'Western' countries was censored, I'm hoping the editor did that with a huge heap of irony.
Will the logic be as clear as keybor's when im 20? the answer is no！
Impressive that the kids are doing so well! you are amazing！👍👍
Well done.
I feel both of you are very practical individuals who really understand the current political situation.
Good job bros! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
So hows human rights in HK when thousands live in sub-standard conditions-dirty decaying cage housing and sub-divided apartments??
I commend both Keybros and the young chap who holds a different view, to be able to talk peacefully. If everyone in Hong Kong could speak peacefully with those with differing views, the 2019 riots would not have occurred. I hope Keybros's channel can reach out to more people especially those in Hong Kong, so they can learn to think. It is very sad to hear someone says he's ashamed of his own people because they spit on the ground. We all have a learning curve.
When are those guys gonna make another video?