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It's official. Alien: Covenant is the Batman v Superman and Fan4stic of the Alien movie series. It sucked hard. Dumb decisions such as not wearing spacesuits, landing on a lake on an alien planet without knowing what is in the water, no character development so you don't care about any of the characters when they start being killed off in the movie, movie is edited to death, and a predictable ending...etc. Just to name a few. A shockingly bad movie! I'm sorry man! Rotten Tomatoes fucked up on this rating. This movie stinks to high heaven. It's downright terrible and an insult to the Alien series. If this is the best Ridley Scott can do then he needs to step away and allow some fresh ideas to be explored. Just fucking atrocious! Please bring on Alien 5 by Neil Bloemkamp . I've had the pleasure of viewing some of Bloemkamp's work with Oats Studios. He seems to have a wild and fantastic imagination when it comes to creating frightening alien creatures. Anyone who doubts this should check out the short film "Zygote" which features a creature that's both disgusting and extremely frightening. Shit, no wonder people were excited to see what he would do with the Alien franchise. I hope his Alien 5 project gets back on track. I would love to see it!
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Ridley Scott did not create Alien. The people responsible for that are Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusset. They brought on Scott as their director, but they had to show Scott horror films so that he would know what was expected of him. Scott didn't even like the horror genre. Additionally, It was Dan O'Bannon that introduced Scott to H.R. Giger's art work and what would eventually become the design aesthetic and creature. Additionally Scott wanted to inject a bunch of his own stupid ideas into the film which were all shot down (thank god). Dont get me wrong, Scott is a good visual director, but he is not a genius and still need to be paired up with good talent. That is why Prometheus and Covenant are such a far cry from Alien. Please start spreading the truth.
He's a visual genius and possibly a conceptual one..? He's got some legendary films like Alien, Blade Runner, Legend - all 80's favorites and staples at the VIDEO STORE for many...and alot of films are really great - maybe it's the length, maybe every movie he makes is BETTER a 3 hours lol (that Kingdom movie was EPIC, I f'n loved that - the director's cut) but alot are just so-so...but then you get Matchstick Men and...he's a 'genius' again lo Like Blade Runner is awesome but dull at the same time and legend is fantastical but kinda dull at the same time... Alien isn' that BUT I do like his 'director's cut' better. I think the pacing is better too BUT I'm not sure if it's as scary...he's a tough call lol
I think you'll find that the film's producers totally rewrote O'Bannon's rather crappy screenplay, and introduced other elements, including the robot. The facehugger/chestburster was the only memorable bit of O'Bannon's screenplay.
Yeah, it was the biggest mistake trusting the franchise to Ridley Scott imo. I think hr giger, the writing and acting are most responsible for Alien success
Part of what made the Alien franchise so good was the mystery. Humanity comes across what appears to be the perfect killing machine and barely survives every time we do. Where does this thing come from? Was it made or did it evolve? What are the creatures' capabilities? We are left to ponder that ourselves as the cast don't have chance to ask, let alone answer, those questions as they're too busy trying to, y'know, not die. Having David being the creator and all the philosophy bull forced down our throats takes away the mystery and intrigue. They also seem to be able to beat the xeno too easily. The ones in the original movies are quite smart - they prey on us as hunters do, either ambush hunters or pack hunters depending on the situation and is relentless. This ignites a primal fear in us, reminds us that we weren't always the 'big dog'. The new movie, the alien runs around in an obvious manner and is dispatched easily. No threat, no fear, no interest. Another part of it stems from having a main character. If you go into Alien cold, without knowing who Sigourney Weaver is, it isn't obvious who (if anybody) will survive. Having a main character so obviously the main character means they are safe - again no threat, no fear, no interest. Also, stop having people behave like idiots!!! There is obviously something off about David in Covenant. Why wouldn't you shoot him when he gets upset that you kill something that just slaughtered one of your crew? Why follow him into the dark basement after he shows you his f*ed up biology experiments? Why look into the egg? Those are daft actions that pull you out of the immersion. /rant
David was not the creator. They came from the black goo. David is only trying to perfect them. The aliens are still evolving, thus they aren’t the “perfect organisms” we know yet
People are pure idiots, David did not create the Xenomorphs, he just recreated them by using similar blueprints as same like the Engineers originally did with the patogen. Because he was an Android he was not killed by the patogen, and because previous Engineers was not present on the planet, we'v seen everything made with the hands of David. Its simple. Xenomorphs and all the other types of similar creatures has existed a long time ago, before the events of Prometheus. David is not their original creator, he just find a way how to made them with the "right substances". Once again, people are iditots without IQ.
It's not Ridley Scott's "Alien". Giger designed the Alien, and Dan O'Bannon wrote the script. Both "Prometheus" and "Alien: Covenant" are evidence that Ridley Scott can shoot pretty pictures and get good performances out of the actors, but he doesn't necessarily know what makes a good story.
They should just pick up the series after Aliens. We spent a whole movie rooting for what became a family - Ripley, Hix and Newt. They should never of been so coldly cast aside in favor of cockny, prisioners in space. And im speaking as a Brit on that point. Sigorney Weaver and dear old Micheal Biehn arnt getting any younger. I feel there is a movie waiting for us out there. But i fear we shall never get our conclusion to the masterpiece that was. ALIENS. "You secure that shit, Hudson!"
What appealed to me is that the Alien series felt somewhat relalistic as well as a horror. In reality, people in dangeruous situations can just die. No fanfare, no heroic death. I love what Alien 3 did. Hicks and Newt were nice, but not interesting. They existed to develop Ripleys character and their job was done. It's Ripleys journey. She got the perfect ending in Alien 3. DO we really need to drag an OAP Ripley and Hicks out and rehash what we've already seen?
"Three dreamers. As they emerged from hyper sleep their faces seemed familiar yet impossibly old. How could this have happened? Were they the victims of sabotage? Or was it simply a cryogenic sequencing failure? The blond female, perhaps in her mid-forties, immediately embraced the much older woman beside her and whispered, “Mommy”. She was afraid. Innocent. Because in her mind, she was still a child. And all the sleep in the universe would not help them, for now the dreamers were awake…”
why not just do a movie with an adult newt, alien isolation was from the point of Amanda Ripley, Newt is kinda like Ripley's surrogate daughter so her joining the Marines to honor Hix and also overcome her fear of the xenomorphs, it would make sense she's the last survivor from that time where the xenomorphs who killed her family, we could also make it as her trying to measure up to Ripley as she's know to be a legend to the marines, but suffers from a form of PTSD.
Ridley sank the franchise. He has no idea what made Alien great because it wasn't his invention. Alien was the amalgamation of multiple creative inputs. Ridley's only real insert was the android (I wonder why he made it the sole focus of the last two movies?). Dan O'Bannon's story + nautural and deep characters + HR Giger's nightmare + a dirty and realistic environment. He just filmed it, (filmed it well), but he didn't create it.
Now, I agree with you that he's had too much input and that's made the new ones stinky. But NEVER forget what he brought to the original was his *incredible* direction. The film *looks* the way it does because of him and folks like O' Bannon.
"What COULD be behind the door is scarier than what IS" -Alfred Hitchcock Ridley forgot this rule. Honestly wasn't it better when we DIDN'T know the what & why's of SPACE JOCKEY?
Yeah I love the apologists excuses to explain away a giant alien turning into a slightly larger than normal human with behind the scenes technical explanation, eg "The Space Jockey was big because they used kids in space suits" Okay and as I say to these dumb assess every time "Great now explain IN UNIVERSE and LORE WISE how this works, it was a huge alien now it is barely larger than a normal human, albino human?" The response they give every freaking time "Oh well that is because they use kids in space suits to make it look bigger when they filmed it" WTF! HOW DUMB ARE THEY?! I refuse to engage with morons of that level anymore they are to dumb to understand or reason with. Seriously those people (more like lobotomized drone corpses with 1% brain matter left in their skulls) are too dumb to live, piss poor excuses for piss poor film making and plot holes bigger than the black hole in the center of our Galaxy.
@@1985Cyrus "lobotomize drone corpses with 1% brain matter" lol I heard one inane theory re: size misproportion" is "og" space jockey was David wtf? personally I found most egregious how could David have designed Xenomorphs when "og" derelict ship, jockey eggs were THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD?!??? ... excuses to correct this continuity error are absolutely absurd! I mean literally there must have been ONE person on that set OR working in studio who saw this Super Massive Black Hole Sized Plot Hole!! I'm glad "The Mick" decided to can any future Sir. Ridley Non Anesthetic Cinematic Root Canals .. however be afraid ...for like Genghis Khan eyeing a new city conquest to be left in ruin upon it's wake, rumor has it this Knight now has HIS eyes on the Blade Runner franchise... which undoubtedly will involve more "Unicorns" 🦄...😧...
Luipaard005 It was so obvious Scott got overly protective of his space. It's infuriating that he left the Alien Franchise for 30 years, then made a not Alien alien movie and then realized that that franchise was no good so he decided to just slap the Alien name on the sequel and take away Neill's movie because of his position in the movie industry. He knew he was working on the inferior product so just got rid of it. Such a shame, especially because he wasted everyone's time with his inability to make a proper decision.
Get real. He's made the same movie three times. "Blomkamp could make a film about Julius Caesar, and he would find a way to make the The Eternal City look like a slum in Johannesburg". - The Furious D -
When are you kids ever going to grow up from your online pi*sing contest myopic realities?? You socially inept dorks really are bottom feeders, I even respect small-crime thugs more.
@@katewilliams4013 You can't just string a bunch of 50 cent words together... they have to mean something also, dear...What are you even talking about Karen? @Kate Williams Dictionary near by?
They need to adapt a film based on the video game Alien: Isolation. It is easily the third best entry in the franchise. A few tweaks here and there and you have a new spin on the franchise. It does not have to have Riplys daughter, they could introduce a new protagonist. Either way I can see it working well in the right hands and it could lead the franchise in a different direction without invalidating the other films.
You want to know what's the problem with the Alien franchise? Aliens. Really, it's such a good movie, with such a great change of pace and the entire concept, everything after was just...Less. Really, Alien 3 was boring and just...Not the movie people were expecting, after that we have that abomination and the AvP movies. Want a good Alien movie for today's audiences? Go for horror/action. Really, start as a horror movie, develop some drama, and then, by the middle of the movie go for action. Not a straight up action fest, but more of a Die Hard type, in the sense that the objective is not just to kill the enemies, but to survive them. There, you have a good Alien movie.
I disagree, I think every Alien movie is good for a unique set of reasons that don't apply to the other movies, each one is unique in it's own way, it's tones, subtext and horror. With Alien 3 much like you I hated it for a long time, it dragged, it was boring, it was trying to pin on a story no one wanted from Aliens, but after learning how much corporate meddling was behind it, it was depressing. However much like wine I find that it has aged BETTER than it was when released, I recommend finding the directors cut, where the Ox was impregnated instead of the dog. I find it's metaphor about struggling with faith and the understanding and clarity of ones own death and coming to terms with that rather beautiful actually. But it took a looooong time for that to set in. Resurrection I liked alot more than 3 at the time, while it does go for a more, campy humorous bent, it does explore the meaning of self, what makes you, you, does change effect what you have become? Also I find the precursor Firefly crew of the Betty a great exercise in ship comrady not seen since the original Alien, these people were Friends, family each bringing something different to the table, and their deaths did have impact on the story, the loss felt genuine. AvP suffered from it's lack of an R rating, the characters were likeable and well established, the isolation and backstory were decent, I liked the temple bit, the use of practical effects, the almost near silent understanding of the two protagonist in the third act, it did bring more to the table and was fun in it's own way, but it dropped alot of horror and subtext. AvPR... I liked the ending alot, not only because it was over, but I liked the bit with Ms. Yutani, how the cooperation started to come together, I liked the predalian till they tried to make it a queen....but yeah it is the worst, far under whatever Ridley Scott was doing with the prequels.
Actually, I wouldn't mind a movie that was narratively split into an "A" story & "B" story, where story A is about marines being detached to a colony or better yet, the alien "home world", and meanwhile a facehugger gets loose onboard the ship they arrived in and creates story B about a few people trapped in the ship & being picked off one by one, with the connective tissue being whether or not to blow up the ship like what happened with the Nostromo. It would be action (story A) set against horror (story B) with the drama being that if the "B story" characters do in fact blow up the ship they would be stranding the "A story" characters and giving them nowhere to run to. I'd watch the shit out of that!
The question "who made the Alien" is irrelevant. One of the beauties of the creature WAS its mystery. Answering who created it is making the Alien LESS intriguing.
I want both. Give me two more movies for the Prometheus timeline, cause I actually wanna know about what happened in Alien with the crashed ship and the bursted jockey, and two more movies with Ripley, cause I really wanna know what Blomkamp's story was about and how Ripley and Newt's stories end. It sucks having a taste in movies most people hate. I loved Covenant, I want more well produced nerd question answers.
I adored Prometheus and really liked Covenant. I thought they were great thoughtful films. They made you think, something that can't be said about something usually known for that that's not doing that nowadays, namely, Star Trek with Discovery.
I'm with you on this and completely agree. I really enjoy Prometheus and Covenant primarily due to the fact the Ridley Scott returned or attempted to drive Alien back to its roots in sci fi horror. I feel like he actually made it suspenseful and scary once again, something the franchise has definitely been lacking for a long, long time.
I'll tell you what happened, Ridley got butt hurt that blomkamps alien would've been better then anything he could've done. So he killed it. Everyone go check out oats studios my boy Niel is changing the game
Oh, bugger off. He's made the same film three times. The story of a misfit with a gun fighting his way through the shittier parts of Africa. You people go on how this would of been something special... "Blomkamp could make a film about Julius Caesar, and he would find a way to make the The Eternal City look like a slum in Johannesburg". - The Furious D -
The last two films killed any interest in the franchise from me. Aliens should not be creatures created by humans or our robots. The galaxy is big enough for naturally occurring creatures, this stupid development shrinks the universe and again shows how there is little creativity left in Hollywood.
They went full Jar-Jar on the Alien... Yeah, I hated that too... took all the mystery out of the Aliens... as a force of nature and the vast unknown... like you want to know what's out there? Here's an Alien... but it was now created by David? Hated it!
People are pure idiots, David did not create the Xenomorphs, he just recreated them by using similar blueprints as same like the Engineers originally did with the patogen. Because he was an Android he was not killed by the patogen, and because previous Engineers was not present on the planet, we'v seen everything made with the hands of David. Its simple. Xenomorphs and all the other types of similar creatures has existed a long time ago, before the events of Prometheus. David is not their original creator, he just find a way how to made them with the "right substances". Once again, people are iditots without IQ.
I disagree, I think every Alien movie is good for it's own reasons, and different reasons. While I despise Requium it did have a few good things I enjoyed, Ms. Yutani comes to mind (Also I loved the ending because... it was over) I think the Franchise has hope but it will not get better if Riddly Scott continues to helm.
Oh boy Midnight's Edge? You want to know what I thought of _Alien: Covenant_ ? Well, this is going to be VERY LONG, and that is because this is coming from the heart of a big fan of the franchise who feels as if he is on a sinking ship of fandom. _Alien: Covenant_ has to be ONE OF THE WORST INSTALLMENTS I have ever seen for an franchise! I consider it down there with the first two _Star Wars_ prequels, _Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem_ , _Terminator: Genisys_ , _Halloween 6_ , _X-Men: Origins: Wolverine_ , _Godzilla (1998)_ , and _The Last Airbender_ as one of the biggest kicks to the balls in any franchise I love. The entire idea of this prequel story is an incredibly idiotic idea. Want to know why? BECAUSE THE MYSTERY OF WHERE THE XENOMORPH CAME FROM IS WHAT MAKES IT SO INTERESTING. Why does Ridley Scott, the man who made the original _Alien_ which perfected this idea not know this? The Xenomorph itself is such an amazing, scary, and bizarre creature, that leaving it up to imagination and keeping it shrouded in mystery makes it more threatening and more engaging to see. You are always wondering what kind of hellhole of a planet could cause something so repulsive, dangerous, deadly, sadistic, and strong to evolve into. So why would we want to see such a great mystery of film, something that is so great to leave ambiguous into A GODDAMN SCIENCE EXPERIMENT? Need some other references? Imagine how awesome it was to hear how the heroes and villains of the original _Star Wars_ trilogy spoke of the times before the Empire before the disappointing the prequels came out with their midichlorian bullshit. Imagine how awesome it is that you don't know whether or not the top falls over in _Inception_ , how great it is that _Blade Runner_ and _Iron Giant_ end when they do, how not explaining how _Elsa_ got her powers still makes her a great character, or how it is awesome that you don't know what Murray whispered to Johansen in _Lost In Translation_ . Not everything needs to have a clear answer or have its mystery solved, sometimes leaving a nice force of magic, alien life, or an ambiguous ending is better left alone with no explanation. It increases the overall scope of what you are looking at, your ideas are going through make the thing so much more great to see. Both the Star Wars prequels and Covenant take away so much of this mystery away just to have some contrived and nonsensical science experiment or sciencey whatever bs explanation. It just doesn't work, is a waste of time, and makes everything way less interesting. Sure, sometimes prequels can not only work but be REALLY GOOD. _X-Men: First Class_ and _Rogue One: A Star Wars Story_ were both really good, but notice how they weren't hellbent on explaining everything that happens in the future or removing the mystery to how the magical or unexplained forces in the universe work, they are focused more on telling good stories with great characters. We don't need Jyn Erso or K-2SO to tell us how the force works or how exactly this point of the Death Star blows up the whole thing, young Magneto and Xavier don't need to tell us exactly how the first mutant came to be, they just need to be good movies on their own. And _Covenant_ did not do that at all. Forgettable characters, poorly put together themes that felt as if they were thrown together by Scott who thinks he is way more smart than he actually is in this script, effects that lose their charm because so much was traced over with CGI, an idiotic plot that the main characters should have seen coming a mile away if they stayed on track, and a new explanation that doesn't make sense. The Xenos are now irrelevant and not at all that dangerous when compared to the Neomorphs. The Xenos need a facehugger to survive and it takes hours for the chestburster to come out. Neomorphs just have this black goo that is nearly impossible to avoid and BAM you have a much more ferocious chestburster which attacks on sight in like FIVE MINUTES, and a fully grown adult in another few minutes. Why the hell do we need the Xenos anyway? Because David wanted to prove a point about creating life? But why? What theme or big message does this all come down to? And if he just made these why is there that depiction of the Xeno on the wall in _Prometheus_ ? What exactly is he gonna do after this thing fucking kills everybody? It makes no sense and I can hardly see why I'm too dumb to see this as something so secretly brilliant. It ends with a shower murder scene which looks like it was taken from a shitty Friday the 13th rip off and two big action set pieces with guns and moving crates about getting the Xeno off the ship. It just all amounts to big Hollywood average shlock in the end. People who would say I'm too dumb to get this would remind me of the people who say I've been too dumbed down by the MCU to understand the "brilliance" of _Man of Steel_ and _Batman V Superman_ . Scott should just move onto other stuff. He did great new and original things with _Gladiator_ and _The Martian_ , but when he returns to Alien he just magically becomes a new George Lucas. I don't want this prequel storyline, leave the mystery of the Xenos in tact Scott, and let others come in. I don't think Blomkamp's version would be perfect. While I do love _District 9_ , that's the only movie of his I did love, but I would give him another chance IF he could retcon the disgusting thing _Alien 3_ did in his intro. I would definitely take it over _Covenant_ and those awful things suggested for Alien 5. Does nobody understand that if the Xenos come to Earth, or do anything after Aliens, that means everybody who died in Alien and Aliens was just killed off in vain? It's terrible. That's why I think after _ALIENS_ THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END. In my head cannon, Ripley, Newt, Bishop, and Hicks are still in their cryotubes awaiting a nice return to safety and shelter. Nothing else happened after that. I really hate to say it, but in general, about 85% - 90% of the whole franchise after _Aliens_ came out way back in 1986 has been mediocre at best and absolute shit at worst. Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection, both AVP's (though AVPR is clearly the worst and maybe the worst installment of any franchise I have ever seen), this prequel storyline, _Aliens: Colonial Marines_ , some of the really dumb crossover comics, the list goes on. The only things that are good and even great after the release of _Aliens_ are: - _Alien Trilogy_ , a video game - _Alien: Isolation_ - The first two AVP PC games - AVP on Jaguar - The best of the AVP comics Other than that, this franchise is on a MEGA suck of a downfall. And not a single film is on that list above me. At this point, I could only recommend two paths for this franchise at the moment to undo all this fucking terrible damage: 1. Retcon Alien 3 and everything else after and do one more movie and stop making the films there. Do a Flashpoint or Days of Future Past esque backtracking of the awful past things of the franchise and make it so that everything in Aliens is still the final ending of the franchise. and/or 2. Make a new timeline and use that for your future. Maybe do AVP on film right this time. Go all out in space and with better fighting and an understanding of the characters. Make it R rated as well. Then you can do more after that as long as the events of the first two movies are kept in tact and not violated. Just STOP DOING THIS PREQUEL STORYLINE.
Why do people whine so much about the Star wars Prequels? Have you not seen The Last jedi and The Force Awakens? Talk about removing the mystery from a franchise. I actually liked ALL the prequels. I do agree with you on AvP video games. I actually had a Jaguar with AvP. Great game. I have Alien Isolation on my PC and the story there was so much better than Alien Covenant. I do see on some of your arguments but people need to stop bagging on the Star wars Prequels.
Let's not forget the part where they flashback to the previous movie (Covenant) and reveal his father abused him... hence his (David's) utter hatred for human beings. I honestly don't know how nobody else picked that up in Covenant, but if that film was actually successful there's zero doubt in my mind that's where it would've went.
The reason Blomkamp's Alien 5 seemed exciting was because it brought back characters we loved from Aliens. It was Ripley's story we followed through the first couple of Alien movies, not the story of the Aliens.
I wondered about this some.....some. The idea of a prequel with the engineers is a cool idea but the writing for both prequels lacked and in the case of Covenant....everything except the visuals sucked. The characters and story in Covenant was terrible. The only character I liked was David. Even he was ruined by the Other David...evil David. Not too many movies got me so hyped than sucked so bad. The other movie was The Last Jedi.......so bad.
I never questioned "Who made them" because I never once considered they had been made, actually I would prefer if they hadnt been "made" by any one. I also very much like the lore of the Predator tie in. So this modern android creating the aliens does not sit well with me at all and frankly kind of ruins the Alien story for me. Of all the Alien movies the two I'd like to see erased the most are the most recent two.
Yeah, I agree here. I never wondered who "made" the aliens, I just figured that's how the species traveled. Like burrs that stick to animals. It was good enough for me that the guy driving the derelict in Alien just basically made the same mistake John Hurt made, but in another place... "ooh, look at this cool egg, something's moving arou... oh crap!" Then woke up and drove off in his giant ship, until he got some serious reflux.
I absolutely loved Promethius! I thought it explained so much without actually focusing on the explanation but leaving clues for viewers to connect the dots themselves. Subtleties are used at a genius level which was awesome!
Sounds like Ridley Scott has "Gone Full Lucas." It's a phrase I am hoping will catch on for a director who has lost his grip on reality and has his ego on overload. I don't know why people hate on Chappie, I thought it was a great movie and I've watched it many times. I did read somewhere that fans were expecting it to be as great as or better than District 9, which would be very difficult to achieve in my opinion.
@@S3Cs4uN8 I've loved movies people hated and hated movies people loved. But I can watch a shitty movie so I probably have bad taste. I don't know. lol.
Prometheus/Covenant are the work of a sappy old man trying to be deep. The ultimate predator.....the apex of monsters.....man's worst nightmare.....that came from the depths of space..... Wait, what? A crazy robot made them? We made David, David made the Xenos, so in effect we made the Xenos? Hmmm. That reflavors the entire franchise. Is this another "Man is the real monster" guilt trip piece now? It's like an old Scooby Doo cartoon. Turns out the monster was actually an escaped bio-weapon all along! Damn you David! It also, BTW, retconns all the AvP movies since the timelines don't make sense. Maybe that's what Ridley intended, but it still reshuffles the entire franchise. And I gotta say this. The ending of Covenant SUCKS! OK, Daniels discovering it's David is scary as shit, but doesn't it make the entire rest of the film irrelevant? Why root for her to survive only to imply her death and torture at the end? She would have been better off dying quick on the planet! When rewatching the narrow escapes and tension are gone once you know it's all for nothing. Sure, this works in smaller niche horror films, but mainstream movies with depressing endings don't make franchises.
Not only that, but it also messes with the Predator and Alien Extended Universe from comics and books, given that Predators have been hunting the fuckers for far longer than this movie implies they've existed.
Scott contracts some DCEU thinking it seems when he works on the Alien franchise, but then evolves back into a great and smart man when he works on original stuff.
Renegade Vile Even the first Alien movie implies that the Aliens are old due to the crashed ship with the fossilised Jock. But now we are lead to believe that the ship has only been there for a couple of years?!? I loved the idea of the fossilised Jock being some other unknown Alien race (as it's look implied) and the way it was left to our imagination to conceive the back story between the Jock and Xenomorphs... turns out is was just a humanoid in a space suit that, basically, crashed a couple of days ago?!? lol
Ridley Scott is a total hack. Just listen to his audio commentary in Prometheus. „I know exactly what I want“ one moment, and „we did several different versions of this, to see what works“ the next. The Alien franchise doesn‘t belong to him, and he clearly has no vision of where to take it. Aliens is one of the best sequels ever, and probably so because Scott had nothing to do with it.
Scott is definitely overrated but to call him a ‘hack’ is absurd. When you’re as prolific a film maker as he’s been not every movie is going to be a masterpiece. He’s made some truly great films and some bad ones. His beat work far outweighs the bad imo.
George Lucas: Where did Darth Vader come from? Don't worry I'll make a film about it. Ridley Scott: Where did the Alien come from? Don't worry I'll make a film about it. Who cares.
Star Wars was about a farm boy dreaming of adventure and ended up becoming a man and saving the galaxy, that's all! Family soap opera and relations between a scoundrel and a princess were made up as they went along. They never planned for sequels. Do you want a film about where Gizmo came from?
I see your point but these origin stories are ultimately pointless and serve nothing to what the audience has already been exposed to. It's cannon fodder.
MrHEC381991 I agree? There was no need. But if they had to make a Vader origin, I think it should have been a form of the Pinocchio story. Boy leaves his mother, gets distracted, she dies and he turns against everything that distracted him.
Of course, they have to milk every dollar out the franchise. James Cameron wants to come back to save the Terminator franchise, Shane Black is coming back to save Predator, Ridley Scott is trying to save Alien but failed in my view by having a freakin droid makes the first eggs of the Xenomorph. Really? Lol wtf Scott I always thought the Xenomorph to be a parasite that evolved and evolved into the perfect killing machine.
Fast Forward to 2018...Disney buys Fox and now owns the ALIEN franchise. Ridley Scott had an amazing opportunity with Prometheus, and he blew it. The biggest mistake he made was in allowing that hack Damon Lindleoff to touch the script. The end result was a poorly written film with the most idiotic characters ever. Ridley basically screwed us all by derailing the Alien 5 script. He didn't want to risk someone doing a better job, so instead we got a silly Ridley - directed ALIEN Covenant. Thanks a lot Ridley. No one cares about your trilogy leading in to ALIEN anymore. You screwed with fan expectations far too much, to the point that it was clear that you really had no idea what you were doing.
Jorn Navarre , Lindleoff took apart the Spaihts script, then taped it back together, leaving lots of pieces all over the floor. He ruined it, and Ridley was dumb enough to like the new ruined version.
Very well said. It still makes me so fucking angry inside when i think about how good prometheus could have been. The part that ruined it the most was the fucking retarded characters, and i don't even blame the actors because they just worked with what they got. They should have send a team of the very best of professionals the whole fucking planet had to offer, instead we got a bunch of retards god fucking damn it. If they had given me a month i'd came up with something far superior and i would have done it for free.
ΛLIΞИ GΞИOTYPΞ , yes, Prometheus could have and should have been one of the all time great science fiction films. Instead, it ended up being a meandering mess of disjointed ideas populated by idiots. You are right...the actors are not to blame. The failure rests squarely on the shoulders of Damon Lindleoff and Ridley Scott.
ΛLIΞИ GΞИOTYPΞ Prometheus was such dire rubbish that I lost interest in the franchise and did not bother to watch Covenant, having read here what happened in it I think I made the right choice. The only excuse for the characters in Prometheus could have for being such idiots is that the suspended animation was faulty and gave them all brain damage.
The Alien franchise was dead, and they should have left it that way. The only two movies in the entire franchise I would consider good (even great in these cases) are the first two. All the other ones are on an ever-decreasing slope of quality.
I didn't even realize the same person was behind District 9, Elysium, and Chappie (I don't follow actors/actresses/directors or any of that). I loved all those movies.
I'll probably get flamed but here goes... After all the bad press about Covenant I had been avoiding the movie since release. Then it came up on cable. I finally relinquished and watched it ad few days ago. To my surprise I really enjoyed it. Bare in mind I have watched every movie at release in the cinema. I was young and the first one scared the living crap out of me. Aliens 2 was a rocking adventure and took it to new heights. A3 and Resurrection were lost and going nowhere, very disappointing. Basically the last 2 tried to rehash / redo the other stories. Both 1 and 2 injected much new material and lore, coupled with great writing. To be honest over nearly 40 years of this franchise I don't want to see the same plot :- signal, go down, egg, face hugger, rip the crew apart, blow creature off ship, sole survivor. While Covenant had that as an overarching plot, the sub plots were cool, digging into David, Shaw, expanding the Universe, but they really gave life to the Covenant mission, the Alien universe and started pulling all the arcs from the various movies together. It was also great seeing Guy Pierce as a younger Weyland providing the psychological background for David's behaviour. The irritating facial twitch from Weyland when David said he'll live for ever and Weyland wont was brilliant, yet very subtle. Weyland's personal toy was influenced very poorly for years thereafter by the poor morals and arrogance of his master (clearly seen in TED talk cut scene). The underlying depth was definitely there if you can see it. While I saw it at home the visual effects were brilliant and very immersive. I love this in sci-fi, and it really drew me in. I finished the movie with a 7 out of 10 rating in my mind, but over the next few days as I processed it it climbed to an 8-8.5. I find Prometheus/Covenant it to be a story arc of it's own, and should not be intermixed or analysed with the Ripley timeline. Ultimately it's not my story to tell, it's Mr Scott's. For me personally, I'd love to see another movie in this arc. That ending! To the producers: Please market the movies more clearly, stating the boundaries of the story arcs. In which case it may be possible to drive the Ripley and Prometheus arcs concurrently and keep the new and old fans happy. Blomkamp's work might work with such clarity. I don't think the mediocre box office is a result of a bad story as so much as marketing and communications, and poor timing with competitors. In this day and age EVERYTHING revolves around social media and who is driving it !
My fundamental problem with Covenant is it tries to tell me the Alien as we know has existed for less time in Universe than the franchise has existed in real life.
Covenant was the dumbest movie I've seen in years. Everything was just DERP and "fuck logic" and this is from a guy that didn't think Resurrection was all that bad.
If the latest Halloween film is any indication, making a film within a famous franchise and disregarding elements from previous installments can actually work and also be a satisfying capstone to an iconic character associated with that franchise.
Well, if you have a powerful GPU, you can use DSR on nvidea, It heavily reduces the shader aliasing. ALSO there is a mod called "Alias Isolation" which get rid of the shader aliasing, you don't need a powerful GPU to use the mod. Either way i enjoyed Alien Isolation even with the jaggies back when i didn't have my gtx 1070 yet.
@@mattp6089 Unplayable? What, did you run it on a console or laptop or something??? It was (and still is) IMO a visually beautiful game, totally nailed the aesthetics of the original film. A real shame crappy hardware screwed you out of enjoying one of the most intense gaming experiences of the last few years...
@@JohnBrowser2013 crappy hardware? No I just played it before Alias Isolation was available. On a 3440x1440 monitor it wan an awful experience. The existence of a free third party mod to make the game look like it should have all along is no excuse for them having released it looking like that. If you don't know what I'm talking about in terms of bad quality perhaps look at this Alias Isolation comparison video. If you hate jaggies, you hated Alien Isolation, simple as that. ruclips.net/video/G6Aq7Ayoqvo/видео.html The blinds at the end show it really well, but that effect was through every part of the game I played before giving up and it most certainly should not have been. I'm glad others enjoyed it but I cannot *stand* jaggies and they were not acceptable for a game released in 2014.
Ridley Scott is a talented director, but he loves his own farts and think they smell much better than anyone else's. We've seen this kind of world-building failure before when George Lucas was given legendary status and got waaaaay too much power over the production of the prequels. This is essentially the same.
Maybe Blomkamp could be like the JJ Abrahams of the Alien franchise. He can make a follow up NOT AS GOOD as the original masterpiece, but still capture the heart, soul, mystery, characterization, and simple storylines of the originals MUCH BETTER than its original creator.
What? nobody talks about part 7 anymore and is just rehash and he only did that because he didn't wanted the fans to attack him if the story was different.
7 has problems and is not up there with the greatness of the first three. But at the very least, Abrahams understands the universe that made the first three so great and he returns to the simpler roots of the franchise that made it more enjoyable. The characters are understandable and likable, all very different from each other, much of the story can be told visually without dialogue, there is no political banter or talks, there is a better emphasis on organic effects rather than CGI, and he leaves the force, and the lore of what happened in the past shrouded in mystery and in ominousness without explaining everything that happened with confusing themes. He understands the classic tale of good vs evil in the original trilogy. The plot can be very similar to Episode IV, but at the same time it does follow very different characters, each with different goals, different points of context, and the story for the big picture of TFA is not to destroy the space station, it's to find Luke and restore hope. It's like how the first two Spider-Man movies followed basically the same beats, or how many things about Alien and Aliens are similar. That is way more than can be said for Scott in his work on this prequel storyline.
It was too simple for me. Too much of what came before. For me it was too small and too limited, not enough explanations. The characters were fine but didn't make too much sense, like Finn acting like a totally normal person after years of harsh training and brain washing. Plus do you mean practical effects? Organic effects imply they used living flesh for the sets. Plus the prequel trilogy had tons of model work, look it up. The CGI was very prominent in TFA, just not as much in the prequels since those were new and they needed to make use of what was new, not what was old. And I would have preferred some explanation of the political situation like in the OT as opposed to what we got, that is none what so ever. TFA was passable, but I don't think Abrams did that good of a job honestly and I'm dreading what he'll to to IX.
Being too simple is what is best for the franchise at this point. Hell, the original trilogy was basically a very simple story of good vs evil based more on character development than a groundbreaking story. Same thing goes with the first two Alien films as well. You have to keep in mind that Finn at his core is essentially a coward, and he's the type of person who thinks he can go through with it all thanks to his platoon and the strength he has amassed, but when it comes to actually taking away a human life he just can't do it. Like how Abrahams showed he can't fire at those innocent Jaaku villagers while everybody else can. Without a single piece of dialogue nontheless. The entire scene where Ren looks at Finn while he still has his head down after the slaughter is way more in tact and in tone with the original masterpieces that any of Episodes 1 or 2, and hell even most of 3. You are right about the practical effects rather than the organic. But int he PT the over dependence on newer stuff such as CGI in the newer films is similar to how man people had issues with the bad rendering effects in _Kingdom of the Crystal Skull_ . When so much of what is actually infront of the screen is clearly the work of the computer, a lot of the magic of what makes the effects so incredible is lost, it takes away the feeling of characters are actually interacting with a real character who is there than just something existing in a computer. An amount of CGI is good if it is mixed in with other effects so that your eye can't get used to so many different effects going on in one film so the line between what is CGI and what is a real prop becomes more blurred (just look at _Jurassic Park_ and _Terminator 2_ .) but if you rely too much on CGI and it is 85 - 90% of all of your effects then it will soon become much easier to spot and then realize it is all effect. Not to mention a lot of the charm and realism of having something right there in front of the camera is lost. Just compare Rey talking to BB-8 vs. Solo talking to Jabba in the restored scene from Episode IV, or the Battle of Yavin to the Battle of Naboo in Episode I. The ones that have stuff in front of them will simply age MUCH better. And when it comes to the OT leaving out political banter, again, that is what makes it so good. Lucas based these films not off of political thrillers or dramas, but instead on classic and cheesy serials such as Flash Gordon, along with tons of other pieces of influence. It's not designed to talk about boring tripe such as taxation, trade federations or whether or not a Senate will allow a planet to defend itself from an invasion, it's a classic tale of good vs evil akin to many epics that came to the past which inspired it to begin with. That is something Abrahams captures WAY better than Lucas did in the OT.
Wow, what a mess! I wasn't aware of some of this history, so thanks for making this. I'm not sure how much more I can roll my eyes at this franchise without them coming loose and popping out of my skull.
I love Alien, really the whole franchise is beautiful to me, even the lesser of it. There's a line in the third movie where Ripply says "You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else." which I take to heart. I remember being in diapers, sitting on someones knee as they watched Aliens, Aliens is my first memory ever. The problem with Prometheus and Covenant is simple. Riddly Scott became full of himself. As cruel as it is to say, it is true. Riddly forgets that it was a GROUP effort to make Alien, with Dan O'bannon writing, with H.R. Gigers design, these people met on the failed Joddaroski's Dune movie that fell through, it was a group effort that brought Alien to life, not Riddly Scott's lone effort and mind. I believe as Riddly Scott became a more distinguished director he simply started making 'Oscar movies' movies designed to win Oscars, with their muted color pallet, manipulative story lines, grand sweeping orchestras made more by check boxes than any sort of passion. The fatal flaws with Prometheus are two fold, one, the tie in media was NEEDED to get the full story and understanding, you had to dig on websites, watch webasoides and garbage like that, then the movie was a hot mess without these cipher keys that helped put it together. Another movie Cloverfield, had a brilliant tie in ARG but the thing is.. you didn't need the other to enjoy it, the movie was a side story in the ARG, the ARG fleshed out alot of understanding FOR the movie, but you didn't need the ARG to enjoy the movie, it told a self contained story that ANYONE could enjoy. Prometheus told a disjointed story, that you needed external sources to piece together and get a full cohesive narrative. The second problem with Prometheus was simply that, it missed what made Alien scary. The Unknown. The unknown is a very primal fear, if not the core of it, when you don't understand something, when you can't reason with something when you don't know the motives of something it becomes fearful, which is why many humans fear the outsider, they are the unknown, we don't understand so we fear what we don't understand. In Alien you could see how the life form operated but it instilled so much unknown, such as where and why were missing, it was teeth and claws, it couldn't be reasoned with. With Prometheus Riddly Scott goes to great lengths to take away the unknown, the mysticism, the smoke in front of the mirror. With the explanation of the Alien it looses alot of what made it scary, tainting it's predecessors because it's cannon now. A third and more minor flaw is not to be ignored, Riddly Scott threw away near forty years worth of LORE, just because he didn't make them, they aren't part of his movie. To him he only sees Alien, and the funny thing about the franchise is every Alien movie is good, for /vastly/ different reasons and allusions. Different elements brought people into the fold as fans, to just disregard what came before because you claim ownership (When as established it was a group effort not Riddly Scott alone) and you don't want to even look at what other people have done, have brought to the table, have /improved/ upon your work. Covenant failed for different reasons, one thing it stuck to from Prometheus was the tie in media, including the Last supper short which served as characterization for the cast because Covenant jumped straight to the action, began killing characters with no characterization within the context of the movie. This is a major sin, in movies, in stories, Death NEEDS Meaning, when a character dies there needs to be a reason, no matter how silly it is, and that death needs weight to carry the story forward. In Covenant there is no weight, it expects everyone to have watched the tie in media, but within the context of the movie in a vacuum from it's tie-in media, it failed, he kills characters we barely know their names, if at all, we don't know who they are, what they do, their reasons or goals and death carry's little if any weight. Covenant also felt beyond rushed like it is trying to staple two and a half movies together to rush to another trilogy, it doesn't take the time it needs to develop, it feels like we skipped another movie with Shawl and David that is the foundation for Covenant, and half way through it brings out the Alien (With studio pressure/intervention more than likely) so you have Xenomorphs crawling around, their creation given zero dignity and all fully CGI with little practical effects. It feels like more of a mess than the first one. I feel if Riddly is a poor choice to leave in charge of the Alien Cannon, he can barely understand the basis of his OWN work much less the proper deconstruction of horror to instill fear, I feel that his movies are to... pretentious, like Riddly Scott is smarter than you and he is going to show you that he is smarter than you and if you don't get it he will take you by the hand, pat it a time or too and condescend to you and explain it in baby talk. I love the series... I hate what Riddly Scott is doing and has done to it. (For the record I spent so long typing this up that you had taken the OLD video down while I was trying to post it there, so I copied and pasted this over. Don't scare me like that!)
I really enjoyed both prometheus and covenant. I like how ridley scott didnt (or doesnt) rely on the alien itself and more focuses on telling a unique story. And that subject matter that he’s dealing with is so fascinating!
Like I said on the other channel, Damon Lindelof is cancer. In my opinion, his changes to the Prometheus script is what alienated it from the fan base. Okay, maybe alienated wasn't the best word to use, I just thought it would be funny.
Alien and Aliens are two of my favorite movies and I still watch them at least once every two years. As a fan of the original movies I never wanted an origin story because they really didn't need one. It was a mystery and sometimes a mystery is better left unsolved. I thought Prometheus and Covenant were pretty bad. A lot of design choices really had me scratching my head. Story elements had me baffled at just how brainless the characters were. They were completely unrelatable and so far removed as to how a person would react rationally to a situation that I was laughing. The whole idea of the creation of the zenomorph is probably my biggest problem. How everything revolves around Earth and humanity makes the universe feel incredibly small and watered down. Poor handling of the material. Also it annoys me that Ripley has to be involved. Her story (as far as I'm concerned) was concluded in Alien 3. Even in Alien 4 it was once again concluded. She made it to Earth. Done. Stop beating a dead horse and move on to other characters. On a side note though, if FOX was to continue the franchise I would love to see a movie adaptation of Aliens: Genocide. It's a four part comic mini-series that is really good and well worth reading.
TimHorton ... re: "How everything revolves around Earth and humanity makes the universe feel incredibly small and watered down." ... Spot on. Although if unchecked Ridley might ... after resolving the xenomorph origins ... start in on the Engineers origin ... and having them as some pre-human origin on Earth.
Better off dead than whatever the fuck Ridley Scott was doing to it. Sometimes, a mercy killing really is mercy. Alien has been raped enough. Let the poor girl rest.
In Alien:Covenant, David is the midi-chlorians of the saga - putting an unnecessary and unwanted spin on it. Now instead of a mysterious, alien (!) creature from outer space we have David the android as the puppet master behind it all with Shaw possibly being the first "alien queen" after being butchered and her ovaries possibly being used for experiments. I never wanted to know where the Aliens came from and who "made" them - that alone assumes that they are artificially made. Imagine those beings as the result of some evolutionary process and just being used as weapons - big scary difference, isn't it? Try to imagine a world where beings like the Xenomorph exist in a natural habitat - and maybe them *not* being at the top of the food chain. Now, there's some potential for stories, especially when you consider the Predators as part of the same universe. But no, now it is all just the work of a android who is disappointed with humanity and engineers, too. One can explain a thing to death - and they did it with Alien:Covenant. It just ... diminishes ... the Alien universe in its glory. In my opinion only watch Alien and Aliens and then just stop. It's such a shame. I remember back then, after Aliens, I wolfed down all the Dark Horse comics trying out tons of cool settings and giving us cool stories. The AvP in comic form was much better than the movies. How is it that Hollywood, presented with a buffet of already existing great ideas screaming "film me", always decides to write shitty scripts on their own and tank the according franchises?
exactly, her story is over. i was not interested in a 5th movie about someone that keeps encountering this extremely deadly lifeform and manages to beat it every time
The problem with the Alien movies is they lost the plot. Alien (1979) - Space truckers are forced to deal with a killer Alien on a ship (audience at the end thinks if I had some guns and marines we would kill that alien) Aliens (1986) - Ripley and Space marines try to escape a nest of aliens (audience at the end thinks.. hey I would protect that 'family' and get more robots to kill aliens) Alien 3 (1992) Then they killed everyone but Ripley and put her in prison. (Audience response .. HELL NO) They left the audience hanging and breaking the pattern that worked on the movies. People never wanted to find out the genesis of the aliens as much as what they were like. They were insect boogie men. The teeth that kill in the dark. Alien 4 and the AvP both tamed the monster! Alien prequels have tried to explain them. We want to be scared of them and pit our minds and hearts against them. Yes we like to see the end of Ripley's story. After all she is the Everyman that rose up to defeat the monster that can never fully die like the heroes of ancient myth but in the end they tried to make her an alien lover (in the worst way). You can write your way out of anything but you have to know what you messed up to start..they don't know so this franchise is on life support.
The more explanations that came about in Scott’s Prometheus storyline, the more uninteresting it all became. The fact that the first two films had such a vague origin for everything, to me, that made it much more terrifying. The aspect of mystery is totally abandoned when everything is so clearly defined.
Alien Covenant was the movie that ruined the cinema for me. I was totally hyped for that movie. I really wanted to know what happened to Shaw and the engineers. It revealed it through a bunch of bullshit drawings and a really weak plot. I haven't watched a movie in the cinema ever since that piece of shit.
You're spot on. The only investment I had in this prequel series was in fact Shaw. As much as I hated Prometheus, I was still left wanting to see what happened to her. She was on a journey to get answers, and I was onboard with the idea of going with her to get those answers. But instead of that, she was killed unceremoniously between films, like what Alien3 did to Newt & Hicks. Fuck that noise.
Cynical Joker Well said. There's still goodness in the cinema: in this year alone we've had tons of fantastic movies that are really trying to break the mold. Without some SERIOUS resuscitation, the Alien franchise on the other hand is as good as dead, and in need of a proper burial...
Carmichael Fong The drawings of Shaw, according to a release early script of Logan's, is not what David did to her, as some of them are ""incompatible". The drawings were meant to be robot porn. Hooray, we found how that would be like.
I appreciate the information but it does nothing to lessen my ire for this movie. It's like when people keep telling me to watch Batman V Superman Director's Cut telling me that the added footage makes the movie more coherent. I don't care. BVS Director's Cut isn't what I saw in the cinema. What I saw was a giant hunk of shit. Same goes for Covenant. No novel, early script or whatever will make it suck less because the product that was given in the theater showed us through bullshit illustrations the story of a how a very interesting character disappeared.
I think i am the only one who was never that hyped over Neil Blomkamps movie, it would basicley just be another movie like Aliens and i'm certain people would be disappointed with it. My hopes for the franchise is that Ridley makes his sequel to Covenant and tie it all up, that he does the thing he wants and stops being distracted by everybody. It should be about AI and engineers, like he wants to and not so much about the xeno because he is right in that it had its run and there's nothing left to do. If they would make a movie about the xenomorphs there is one thing i think would be intresting. Following an expedition sent out to capture a xenomorph, a crew that know what they're up against and they are going to catch it. That wouldn't be an intresting movie to many people though since it would need a twist, and that in turns means we'd just get another aliens movie. They are gonna catch it, something goes wrong, they're stranded, they try to establish communications, everyone dies except for one person and so on.
They should just give up. They made a mistake when they had Giler & Hill do the script for Alien 3. That is where it all went off the rails and the franchise never recovered since then. And it will never recover.
My brother and I are life long Aliens fans. I loved the first one but it was the second one with it's great characters, excellent tension and (unsurpassed since) action that we both bonded over. I must have watched it with my brother over 100 times after school and on weekends. We both knew the dialogue off by heart, made Lego reincarnations of the vehicles and would spend hours reinacting scenes. We. Loved. It. Halfway through the latest movie I leaned over and shook him awake and his first words were "Ah Christ, is this pile of fucking shite still going?".... We left immediately (only the second time I've ever walked out of a movie), went for a really sad pint together and that's the last we spoke of it. Ridley can stick whatever new ideas he has for this franchise in an airlock and eject them out into space as far as I'm concerned.
I would give anything to have Cameron direct another Alien. Ridley seems out of it, mumbles in interviews, he really lost his touch. He's bitter about anyone making a better alien movie than him. He's over there talking about there was no Alien 5 script, just lies 😂
Aliens vs Predator, as envisioned by Dark Horse comics was awesome. However, Hollywood had to totally screw it up. Its a cool concept, but Hollywood can't seem to pull their heads from their asses long enough to do it right, but always have to taint it with their egos. Heck, Dark Horse even had a vision of Alien 3 sequel that was also bad-ass, but again, Hollywood had to completely screw it up and we got the trash that was Alien Resurrection. Hollywood needs to be nuked from orbit, its the only way to be sure.
part of what makes the xeno scary is that it's a thing that just IS. it's out there, you can't get to understand it, and if you try, you die. no origins story could be as terrifying as what i said above. this is one of those cases where an actual reboot would have made more sense, or just parallel stories that take place somewhere else with different characters and locations
The Martian was the worst thing that could've happened. It made Fox think that Scott was still the shit and that indulging his ideas for the Alien franchise was a good idea. I love the Ridley Scott of old, but he's completely lost his edge. (I didn't like the Martian much at all and feel it's one of the most overrated movies of recent years). Who knows if Blomkamp would've done any better, but Covenant was utter crap.
The Martian did so well because they stuck to the book, the story was handed to them all they had to do was trim it down and have a good actor take the lead. The movie was good, but I love the audio book.
Jamie Lee is returning to Halloween, Linda is returning to Terminator. Wouldn't be surprised to hear that Sigourney is returning for some form of Blomkamp's Alien 5 proposal in the next two years. Nostalgia is becoming THE dominant force in Hollywood.
I have always liked Alien 3 as a standalone film (great characters and atmosphere), but that movie is what derailed Alien as a series; killing off Newt and Hicks without a second thought after how hard they fought to survive in Aliens was pure madness. Blomkamp gets it, and I was really looking forward to seeing all the creative ways he could come up with for Xenomorphs to dismember people :'(
Prometheus is vastly underrated and criminally misunderstood. The parts of Covenant that fell short were all a result of this. I still dig Covenant, but I want the conclusion.
I've enjoyed all of the films associated with the franchise, but the first two were far superior to the rest. I felt both Prometheus and especially Covenant lost their way and focused too much on the David/Walter character. It would great to find a way to bring Sigourney/Ripley back into the next film, as she was best part of the franchise.
My idea for a third alien/prometheus movie is as follows: The engineers are the main characters in the movie and comes to the planet that was in the Prometheus movie. There they find Weyland inside the crashed spaceship. They have a blue elixir which they empty all over him and bring him to life. In the next part they arrive at the planet from alien covenant and find the other robot(Walter) who is david's twin.The engineers use the blue elixir and repairs him. Once awaken the engineers and Weyland get to know all the horrible things that David has done, and weyland says "we have to stop David" . They set course for origae. When they arrive,they scans all the planet,and finds the planet is full of hostile organisms except on a high mountain where they discover that there are humans inside a cave. Inside the cave they meet a herd of children, who tell that when they had lived on the planet for over ten years, they began to be attacked by Xenomorphs and all the adults died or were turned into these creatures. There were also great giants developed by someone the children calls David. The engineers get ready to wipe out all the Xenomorphs that David has created, but the great giants manage to escape with one of the engineers' spaceships. The engineers and Weyland hunts the spaceship and manage to force the spaceship down on the planet lv426.Where it start sending a distress signal. The engineers return to Origae to find David, but discover that he has escaped. In the last part we see David arriving and meeting an unknown alien species on a tropical like planet.And that makes the cliffhanger that ends the third movie.
Newt!?!! She was dead on arrival in Alien 3--which was an absolute crime by the franchise. How were they going to bring her back to life? The most important thing the franchise can do is stop making characters who act like morons. Scott is a hack who went pure Alien horror formula with Covenant. Cameron understands Alien much better than Scott.
I see why Ridley didn't want Blomkamp to direct an Alien film, it's cause Blomkamp anthropomorphizes A.I. too much and Scott wanted to illustrate how dangerous creation is. Woah. Thanks for the vid man.
Blomkamp version could have been interesting, whatever it was I don't care about what Ridley Scottt is doing, he's like the inverse of midas, everything he touch turned to shit
king midas in reverse-like duff mckagan from gunsn'roses-"mr. punk rock integrity"sold his bandmate izzy stradlin out in cold blood over fucking money!!!I fucking hate hypocrites&sellouts-they are judas's
All they had to do was keep Newt alive in Alien 3. Ripley protects her and she stows away on the Weyland-Yutani ship when it arrives on the prison planet and escapes. Two things would have resulted: 1. Alien 3 wouldn't have been the complete disappointment it was to the majority of fans. Ripley's sacrifice at the end was very tragic, yet heroic and fitting for her character, but it would be made to also save Newt. It would be a great ending to Ripley's story, but with Newt carrying the torch, the audience would be left much more satisfied and excited to see the series continue. Let's face it, Alien 3 had its appeal, but it was just too depressing the way it ended. 2. They could've picked anyone to play the adult Newt and she would be the one to fight the corporation/military in Alien: Resurrection, along side those mercenaries, instead of the silly cloning-of-Ripley idea, which simply made no sense, as much as I like Sigourney Weaver. After that, the logical continuation of the story should've been a larger-scale attack of the xenos on human population. Either Earth or another planet. Instead of the under-powered, undermanned, marines versus a bunch of xenos in Aliens. It would be full-on war. Of course there's room for human drama as well. Think zombie apocalypse except with smarter, stealthier, and much deadlier opponents. Also, there could be a variety of new xenos. There already exist many great designs of xenos that are bulkier (about half the size of the queen, but more agile). Give the marines cool new weapons, like plasma rifles or a BFG-type gun. Or how about something like the plasma-cutter from Dead Space? How about combat androids?!?! (They exist in the AvP non-movie universe, so why not?) There's so much they could do with this. Everyone loves James Cameron's Aliens for making Alien franchise a more combat focused, action story, but with relatable human emotion and drama. So why not keep that going? This series could've been so cool, instead we get Prometheus and Covenant. Yes, David is cool as the misanthrope android, but that's literally all it has going for it. The rest is complete and utter dogshit. We want relatable, likeable characters, who we care about. Every single character in both those movies are insufferable idiots. You actually grow to hate them and then simply not care what happens to them because they are so stupid and poorly written. The truckers in space idea worked so perfectly because they were likeable and made believable decisions. Like-wise with the marines. Instead we get the world's dumbest scientists making one stupid decision after another. It's the total opposite of what anybody wanted.
If "some fans" really do see Ellen Ripley as "the face of the franchise", and that's what Fox/Disney decide to go forward with, the Alien franchise WILL BE the next victim of "Get Woke, GO BROKE!". As integral and important as "Lt. Ellen Ripley" has been to the franchise, and as much as I'd LOVE to see Sigourney Weaver reprise her role, exactly zero titles in the Alien/AVP franchises have been titled "Ellen Ripley" or "Ripley". Why do you think that is? It's because since Ridley Scott's 1979 original, people have been paying good money to have the Alien creature scare the hell out of them! There have been numerous movie sequels and several video games that have had nothing to do with the Ripley character. The franchise can succeed without Ripley, it CANNOT, however do the same without the Xenomorph.
Covenant was not a very good film... it highlighted everything wrong with the series. It doesn't help that Ridley is hooked up on old ideas... AI creating war with mankind. That is Terminator, its been done. I thought this next film would continue with the Engineers, not rehash or focus on the alien and David. It was just a very uninspired film and utterly predictable. I hope FOX cancels the next one. I didn't see this film at the theatre and I won't bother seeing the next one if they allow Ridley to continue.
"When that's finished there'll be another one and then another one, which will gradually drive into the back entrance of the film in 1979" - Ridley Scott So your saying your prequels wil buttf*** the original movie? Sounds about right...
Think the more people talk about it, the more one wants to actually see what Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5 would've been. In light of both Prometheus and Alien: Covenant failing at the box office. Ridley Scott only doing sequels to Prometheus to wipe away the stink of what Damon Lindelof's crappy writing did to Prometheus and every other film he's been involved with (Cowboy Vs Aliens, Star Trek Into Darkness, Prometheus, World War Z, Tomorrowland etc's). Yeah i would've really liked to have seen a post Alien Resurrection movie in Alien 5 done by Neill Blomkamp!
I like Alien Covenant and I like Alien 3. When I heard Neil was trying to erase Alien 3 and Res I was kinda pissed. Glad he is out. Hope we get Prometheus 3 to see what David will be up too.
Young BZ No words can describe the amount of petty fan outrage this comment elicits. Covenant was shit and completely misunderstood the appeal of the franchise.
Wow! Excellent, informative video. Around the time ALIENS was getting released, Ridley Scott said in an issue of Cinefantastique that he didn’t understand why he wasn’t asked to do a sequel to ALIEN, all the previous while, having said he didn’t do sequels. Well duh, Ridley. They didn’t ask because you were busy with DUNE, then BLADE RUNNER, then LEGEND, and you’d already said you didn’t do sequels. Scott seemed offended that Cameron even made the sequel, to what he apparently considered to be his movie. I think he doesn’t want ANYONE doing ANY ALIEN movie, except him. I think Blomkamp probably was a little too respectful to Scott and that had he should have pushed harder by getting Weaver and Cameron to fight along side him against Fox (and Scott). If he hadn’t been so cautious with Scott, Fox might have seen the wisdom of a movie giving fans what they wanted, especially if Weaver and Cameron had put their weight behind it.
Found Prometheus underwhelming at best so couldn't be bothered to watch Covenant. Now that Fox is now yet another Disney company I do not hold out much hope for this series ever getting better.
AvP would work well on the small screen, better in fact. The reason is that in a movie you have the concept trying to carry the film. In a series, you have to tell a story around the concept due to having more time to fill and budget constraints. That's the way to do it.
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Midnight's Edge you are forgiven... but only because it's awesome! ;)
It's official. Alien: Covenant is the Batman v Superman and Fan4stic of the Alien movie series. It sucked hard. Dumb decisions such as not wearing spacesuits, landing on a lake on an alien planet without knowing what is in the water, no character development so you don't care about any of the characters when they start being killed off in the movie, movie is edited to death, and a predictable ending...etc. Just to name a few. A shockingly bad movie! I'm sorry man! Rotten Tomatoes fucked up on this rating. This movie stinks to high heaven. It's downright terrible and an insult to the Alien series. If this is the best Ridley Scott can do then he needs to step away and allow some fresh ideas to be explored. Just fucking atrocious! Please bring on Alien 5 by Neil Bloemkamp . I've had the pleasure of viewing some of Bloemkamp's work with Oats Studios. He seems to have a wild and fantastic imagination when it comes to creating frightening alien creatures. Anyone who doubts this should check out the short film "Zygote" which features a creature that's both disgusting and extremely frightening. Shit, no wonder people were excited to see what he would do with the Alien franchise. I hope his Alien 5 project gets back on track. I would love to see it!
Thanks for the explanation. I was halfway though the episode I thought my connection had broken
That okay man we all make mistakes
Midnight's Edge This video is paced way too fast. It is clear there is a lot of content to get through but reading off all of the information as fast as possible does it no justice. If you're worried about people not getting through the whole video because it's too long, then split it up. It's very hard to keep up with the pace.
Ridley Scott did not create Alien. The people responsible for that are Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusset. They brought on Scott as their director, but they had to show Scott horror films so that he would know what was expected of him. Scott didn't even like the horror genre. Additionally, It was Dan O'Bannon that introduced Scott to H.R. Giger's art work and what would eventually become the design aesthetic and creature. Additionally Scott wanted to inject a bunch of his own stupid ideas into the film which were all shot down (thank god). Dont get me wrong, Scott is a good visual director, but he is not a genius and still need to be paired up with good talent. That is why Prometheus and Covenant are such a far cry from Alien. Please start spreading the truth.
He's a visual genius and possibly a conceptual one..? He's got some legendary films like Alien, Blade Runner, Legend - all 80's favorites and staples at the VIDEO STORE for many...and alot of films are really great - maybe it's the length, maybe every movie he makes is BETTER a 3 hours lol (that Kingdom movie was EPIC, I f'n loved that - the director's cut) but alot are just so-so...but then you get Matchstick Men and...he's a 'genius' again lo Like Blade Runner is awesome but dull at the same time and legend is fantastical but kinda dull at the same time... Alien isn' that BUT I do like his 'director's cut' better. I think the pacing is better too BUT I'm not sure if it's as scary...he's a tough call lol
I think you'll find that the film's producers totally rewrote O'Bannon's rather crappy screenplay, and introduced other elements, including the robot. The facehugger/chestburster was the only memorable bit of O'Bannon's screenplay.
I agree. Fox is letting him have too much creative control.
Yeah, it was the biggest mistake trusting the franchise to Ridley Scott imo.
I think hr giger, the writing and acting are most responsible for Alien success
I agree with everything you said except I like Prometheus and convenient. I enjoy the back story.
Part of what made the Alien franchise so good was the mystery. Humanity comes across what appears to be the perfect killing machine and barely survives every time we do. Where does this thing come from? Was it made or did it evolve? What are the creatures' capabilities? We are left to ponder that ourselves as the cast don't have chance to ask, let alone answer, those questions as they're too busy trying to, y'know, not die.
Having David being the creator and all the philosophy bull forced down our throats takes away the mystery and intrigue.
They also seem to be able to beat the xeno too easily. The ones in the original movies are quite smart - they prey on us as hunters do, either ambush hunters or pack hunters depending on the situation and is relentless. This ignites a primal fear in us, reminds us that we weren't always the 'big dog'. The new movie, the alien runs around in an obvious manner and is dispatched easily. No threat, no fear, no interest.
Another part of it stems from having a main character. If you go into Alien cold, without knowing who Sigourney Weaver is, it isn't obvious who (if anybody) will survive. Having a main character so obviously the main character means they are safe - again no threat, no fear, no interest.
Also, stop having people behave like idiots!!!
There is obviously something off about David in Covenant. Why wouldn't you shoot him when he gets upset that you kill something that just slaughtered one of your crew? Why follow him into the dark basement after he shows you his f*ed up biology experiments? Why look into the egg? Those are daft actions that pull you out of the immersion.
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David was not the creator. They came from the black goo. David is only trying to perfect them. The aliens are still evolving, thus they aren’t the “perfect organisms” we know yet
People are pure idiots, David did not create the Xenomorphs, he just recreated them by using similar blueprints as same like the Engineers originally did with the patogen. Because he was an Android he was not killed by the patogen, and because previous Engineers was not present on the planet, we'v seen everything made with the hands of David. Its simple. Xenomorphs and all the other types of similar creatures has existed a long time ago, before the events of Prometheus. David is not their original creator, he just find a way how to made them with the "right substances". Once again, people are iditots without IQ.
Yeah also when David cut his hair! It ruined the movie! It was so obvious what was gonna happen after that.
iditots without iQ. Lol. (i'm not making fun of you this is just really funny)
It's not Ridley Scott's "Alien". Giger designed the Alien, and Dan O'Bannon wrote the script. Both "Prometheus" and "Alien: Covenant" are evidence that Ridley Scott can shoot pretty pictures and get good performances out of the actors, but he doesn't necessarily know what makes a good story.
I would love to see Blomkamp's Alien, damn.
They should just pick up the series after Aliens. We spent a whole movie rooting for what became a family - Ripley, Hix and Newt. They should never of been so coldly cast aside in favor of cockny, prisioners in space. And im speaking as a Brit on that point.
Sigorney Weaver and dear old Micheal Biehn arnt getting any younger. I feel there is a movie waiting for us out there. But i fear we shall never get our conclusion to the masterpiece that was. ALIENS.
"You secure that shit, Hudson!"
game over man, it's game over!!!!
"Well why don't you just put her in charge man!" (looking at newt)
What appealed to me is that the Alien series felt somewhat relalistic as well as a horror. In reality, people in dangeruous situations can just die. No fanfare, no heroic death. I love what Alien 3 did. Hicks and Newt were nice, but not interesting. They existed to develop Ripleys character and their job was done. It's Ripleys journey. She got the perfect ending in Alien 3. DO we really need to drag an OAP Ripley and Hicks out and rehash what we've already seen?
"Three dreamers. As they emerged from hyper sleep their faces seemed familiar yet impossibly old.
How could this have happened? Were they the victims of sabotage? Or was it simply a cryogenic sequencing failure? The blond female, perhaps in her mid-forties, immediately embraced the much older woman beside her and whispered, “Mommy”. She was afraid. Innocent. Because in her mind, she was still a child.
And all the sleep in the universe would not help them, for now the dreamers were awake…”
why not just do a movie with an adult newt, alien isolation was from the point of Amanda Ripley, Newt is kinda like Ripley's surrogate daughter so her joining the Marines to honor Hix and also overcome her fear of the xenomorphs, it would make sense she's the last survivor from that time where the xenomorphs who killed her family, we could also make it as her trying to measure up to Ripley as she's know to be a legend to the marines, but suffers from a form of PTSD.
Ridley sank the franchise. He has no idea what made Alien great because it wasn't his invention. Alien was the amalgamation of multiple creative inputs. Ridley's only real insert was the android (I wonder why he made it the sole focus of the last two movies?). Dan O'Bannon's story + nautural and deep characters + HR Giger's nightmare + a dirty and realistic environment. He just filmed it, (filmed it well), but he didn't create it.
I'm boycotting all future Ridley Alien riffs. It just needs to stop. Eventually he'll retire and Blomkamp can save us.
No, not even the android was his idea, trust me. He's getting WAY too much credit for the first Alien movie, as if HE was the one who created it all
Now, I agree with you that he's had too much input and that's made the new ones stinky. But NEVER forget what he brought to the original was his *incredible* direction. The film *looks* the way it does because of him and folks like O' Bannon.
David Turner Neither did Dan O’Bannon actually. If truth be known, ALIEN was a reworking of John Carpenter’s ‘Dark Star’.
Dark Star was also written by O'Bannon
"What COULD be behind the door is scarier than what IS" -Alfred Hitchcock
Ridley forgot this rule. Honestly
wasn't it better when we DIDN'T know the what & why's of SPACE JOCKEY?
Yeah I love the apologists excuses to explain away a giant alien turning into a slightly larger than normal human with behind the scenes technical explanation,
eg "The Space Jockey was big because they used kids in space suits"
Okay and as I say to these dumb assess every time "Great now explain IN UNIVERSE and LORE WISE how this works, it was a huge alien now it is barely larger than a normal human, albino human?"
The response they give every freaking time "Oh well that is because they use kids in space suits to make it look bigger when they filmed it"
WTF! HOW DUMB ARE THEY?! I refuse to engage with morons of that level anymore they are to dumb to understand or reason with.
Seriously those people (more like lobotomized drone corpses with 1% brain matter left in their skulls) are too dumb to live, piss poor excuses for piss poor film making and plot holes bigger than the black hole in the center of our Galaxy.
@@1985Cyrus "lobotomize drone corpses with 1% brain matter" lol I heard one inane theory re: size misproportion" is "og" space jockey was David wtf? personally I found most egregious how could David have designed Xenomorphs when "og" derelict ship, jockey eggs were THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD?!??? ... excuses to correct this continuity error are absolutely absurd! I mean literally there must have been ONE person on that set OR working in studio who saw this Super Massive Black Hole Sized Plot Hole!!
I'm glad "The Mick" decided to can any future Sir. Ridley Non Anesthetic Cinematic Root Canals .. however be afraid ...for like Genghis Khan eyeing a new city conquest to be left in ruin upon it's wake, rumor has it this Knight now has HIS eyes on the Blade Runner franchise... which undoubtedly will involve more "Unicorns" 🦄...😧...
" Star Wars is a juggernaut, why do you think I'm making sequels? "
This alone is why the film flopped hard.
This is why Terminator is being butchered.
Stop referencing Rotten Tomatoes. Nobody takes that seriously anymore.
Real talk tho....rotten tomatoes doesn't tell you if a movie is worth it or enjoyable at all
I never did.
Neill's version would have owned so of course Ridley Scott pulled it.
Luipaard005 It was so obvious Scott got overly protective of his space. It's infuriating that he left the Alien Franchise for 30 years, then made a not Alien alien movie and then realized that that franchise was no good so he decided to just slap the Alien name on the sequel and take away Neill's movie because of his position in the movie industry. He knew he was working on the inferior product so just got rid of it. Such a shame, especially because he wasted everyone's time with his inability to make a proper decision.
ridley is fucking everything he touch right now,having Blomkamp version getting better reviews and boxoffice could have send ridley to retirement
Get real. He's made the same movie three times.
"Blomkamp could make a film about Julius Caesar, and he would find a way to make the The Eternal City look like a slum in Johannesburg".
- The Furious D -
Scott is a bitter old man that knows aside from Alien, his career is underwhelming so he's trying to "take it back" and relive past glory.
Also, Ridley didn't want competition. He didn't want his movie bring inevitably compared to Blomkamp because Ridley knew his bullshit would lose
When are you kids ever going to grow up from your online pi*sing contest myopic realities?? You socially inept dorks really are bottom feeders, I even respect small-crime thugs more.
That time of the month, Kate?
@@katewilliams4013 You can't just string a bunch of 50 cent words together... they have to mean something also, dear...What are you even talking about Karen? @Kate Williams Dictionary near by?
@@eddy4688 Her name is Karen.
They need to adapt a film based on the video game Alien: Isolation. It is easily the third best entry in the franchise. A few tweaks here and there and you have a new spin on the franchise. It does not have to have Riplys daughter, they could introduce a new protagonist. Either way I can see it working well in the right hands and it could lead the franchise in a different direction without invalidating the other films.
You want to know what's the problem with the Alien franchise? Aliens. Really, it's such a good movie, with such a great change of pace and the entire concept, everything after was just...Less. Really, Alien 3 was boring and just...Not the movie people were expecting, after that we have that abomination and the AvP movies.
Want a good Alien movie for today's audiences? Go for horror/action. Really, start as a horror movie, develop some drama, and then, by the middle of the movie go for action. Not a straight up action fest, but more of a Die Hard type, in the sense that the objective is not just to kill the enemies, but to survive them. There, you have a good Alien movie.
I disagree, I think every Alien movie is good for a unique set of reasons that don't apply to the other movies, each one is unique in it's own way, it's tones, subtext and horror.
With Alien 3 much like you I hated it for a long time, it dragged, it was boring, it was trying to pin on a story no one wanted from Aliens, but after learning how much corporate meddling was behind it, it was depressing. However much like wine I find that it has aged BETTER than it was when released, I recommend finding the directors cut, where the Ox was impregnated instead of the dog. I find it's metaphor about struggling with faith and the understanding and clarity of ones own death and coming to terms with that rather beautiful actually. But it took a looooong time for that to set in.
Resurrection I liked alot more than 3 at the time, while it does go for a more, campy humorous bent, it does explore the meaning of self, what makes you, you, does change effect what you have become? Also I find the precursor Firefly crew of the Betty a great exercise in ship comrady not seen since the original Alien, these people were Friends, family each bringing something different to the table, and their deaths did have impact on the story, the loss felt genuine.
AvP suffered from it's lack of an R rating, the characters were likeable and well established, the isolation and backstory were decent, I liked the temple bit, the use of practical effects, the almost near silent understanding of the two protagonist in the third act, it did bring more to the table and was fun in it's own way, but it dropped alot of horror and subtext.
AvPR... I liked the ending alot, not only because it was over, but I liked the bit with Ms. Yutani, how the cooperation started to come together, I liked the predalian till they tried to make it a queen....but yeah it is the worst, far under whatever Ridley Scott was doing with the prequels.
Actually, I wouldn't mind a movie that was narratively split into an "A" story & "B" story, where story A is about marines being detached to a colony or better yet, the alien "home world", and meanwhile a facehugger gets loose onboard the ship they arrived in and creates story B about a few people trapped in the ship & being picked off one by one, with the connective tissue being whether or not to blow up the ship like what happened with the Nostromo. It would be action (story A) set against horror (story B) with the drama being that if the "B story" characters do in fact blow up the ship they would be stranding the "A story" characters and giving them nowhere to run to.
I'd watch the shit out of that!
Aliens made these perfect creatures weak. It was Terminator's in space. That's where Alien was ruined.
The question "who made the Alien" is irrelevant. One of the beauties of the creature WAS its mystery. Answering who created it is making the Alien LESS intriguing.
It never answered who created them...
David is only *trying* to perfect them
Ridley Scott is senile and doesn't realize this.
@@bombird8813 but the xenomorphs we know and love were created by david. he created that type of alien. so fuck that robotic bastard
I want both. Give me two more movies for the Prometheus timeline, cause I actually wanna know about what happened in Alien with the crashed ship and the bursted jockey, and two more movies with Ripley, cause I really wanna know what Blomkamp's story was about and how Ripley and Newt's stories end.
It sucks having a taste in movies most people hate. I loved Covenant, I want more well produced nerd question answers.
I'm with you. I hate getting invested in a story for it to just end with no closure.
I adored Prometheus and really liked Covenant. I thought they were great thoughtful films. They made you think, something that can't be said about something usually known for that that's not doing that nowadays, namely, Star Trek with Discovery.
I'm with you on this and completely agree. I really enjoy Prometheus and Covenant primarily due to the fact the Ridley Scott returned or attempted to drive Alien back to its roots in sci fi horror. I feel like he actually made it suspenseful and scary once again, something the franchise has definitely been lacking for a long, long time.
People think I'm nutz to, I just wanna know EVERYTHING ABOUT ALIENS ETC....
I'll tell you what happened, Ridley got butt hurt that blomkamps alien would've been better then anything he could've done. So he killed it. Everyone go check out oats studios my boy Niel is changing the game
Oh, bugger off. He's made the same film three times. The story of a misfit with a gun fighting his way through the shittier parts of Africa. You people go on how this would of been something special...
"Blomkamp could make a film about Julius Caesar, and he would find a way to make the The Eternal City look like a slum in Johannesburg".
- The Furious D -
Am I the only one who liked Chappie?
Chappie was awesome. I think my severe disappointment in the new Robocop made me appreciate Chappie in a huge way
gamerman360 omg which short is your favorite?
zaerine zygote. But I've loved all of them
The last two films killed any interest in the franchise from me. Aliens should not be creatures created by humans or our robots. The galaxy is big enough for naturally occurring creatures, this stupid development shrinks the universe and again shows how there is little creativity left in Hollywood.
FCOL D Wallywood
They went full Jar-Jar on the Alien... Yeah, I hated that too... took all the mystery out of the Aliens... as a force of nature and the vast unknown... like you want to know what's out there? Here's an Alien... but it was now created by David? Hated it!
They weren’t even created by David
People are pure idiots, David did not create the Xenomorphs, he just recreated them by using similar blueprints as same like the Engineers originally did with the patogen. Because he was an Android he was not killed by the patogen, and because previous Engineers was not present on the planet, we'v seen everything made with the hands of David. Its simple. Xenomorphs and all the other types of similar creatures has existed a long time ago, before the events of Prometheus. David is not their original creator, he just find a way how to made them with the "right substances". Once again, people are iditots without IQ.
@@petrsvancara8785 Ridley Scott is the story teller and he disagrees with you. But your so much smarter than everyone.
I wish they'd just let the franchise die. There hasn't been a good Alien film in over 30 years, and only two out of the 8 movies are any good.
I disagree, I think every Alien movie is good for it's own reasons, and different reasons. While I despise Requium it did have a few good things I enjoyed, Ms. Yutani comes to mind (Also I loved the ending because... it was over) I think the Franchise has hope but it will not get better if Riddly Scott continues to helm.
Down The Plot Hole Amen.
Holy shit! You watch these awesome guys too? Movie lovers unite.
Down The Plot Hole Alien 3 Recut was decent.
Alien 3 should have been the last movie... Ripley died! That's it.
Oh boy Midnight's Edge? You want to know what I thought of _Alien: Covenant_ ? Well, this is going to be VERY LONG, and that is because this is coming from the heart of a big fan of the franchise who feels as if he is on a sinking ship of fandom.
_Alien: Covenant_ has to be ONE OF THE WORST INSTALLMENTS I have ever seen for an franchise! I consider it down there with the first two _Star Wars_ prequels, _Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem_ , _Terminator: Genisys_ , _Halloween 6_ , _X-Men: Origins: Wolverine_ , _Godzilla (1998)_ , and _The Last Airbender_ as one of the biggest kicks to the balls in any franchise I love. The entire idea of this prequel story is an incredibly idiotic idea.
Want to know why? BECAUSE THE MYSTERY OF WHERE THE XENOMORPH CAME FROM IS WHAT MAKES IT SO INTERESTING. Why does Ridley Scott, the man who made the original _Alien_ which perfected this idea not know this? The Xenomorph itself is such an amazing, scary, and bizarre creature, that leaving it up to imagination and keeping it shrouded in mystery makes it more threatening and more engaging to see. You are always wondering what kind of hellhole of a planet could cause something so repulsive, dangerous, deadly, sadistic, and strong to evolve into. So why would we want to see such a great mystery of film, something that is so great to leave ambiguous into A GODDAMN SCIENCE EXPERIMENT?
Need some other references? Imagine how awesome it was to hear how the heroes and villains of the original _Star Wars_ trilogy spoke of the times before the Empire before the disappointing the prequels came out with their midichlorian bullshit. Imagine how awesome it is that you don't know whether or not the top falls over in _Inception_ , how great it is that _Blade Runner_ and _Iron Giant_ end when they do, how not explaining how _Elsa_ got her powers still makes her a great character, or how it is awesome that you don't know what Murray whispered to Johansen in _Lost In Translation_ . Not everything needs to have a clear answer or have its mystery solved, sometimes leaving a nice force of magic, alien life, or an ambiguous ending is better left alone with no explanation. It increases the overall scope of what you are looking at, your ideas are going through make the thing so much more great to see.
Both the Star Wars prequels and Covenant take away so much of this mystery away just to have some contrived and nonsensical science experiment or sciencey whatever bs explanation. It just doesn't work, is a waste of time, and makes everything way less interesting. Sure, sometimes prequels can not only work but be REALLY GOOD. _X-Men: First Class_ and _Rogue One: A Star Wars Story_ were both really good, but notice how they weren't hellbent on explaining everything that happens in the future or removing the mystery to how the magical or unexplained forces in the universe work, they are focused more on telling good stories with great characters. We don't need Jyn Erso or K-2SO to tell us how the force works or how exactly this point of the Death Star blows up the whole thing, young Magneto and Xavier don't need to tell us exactly how the first mutant came to be, they just need to be good movies on their own.
And _Covenant_ did not do that at all. Forgettable characters, poorly put together themes that felt as if they were thrown together by Scott who thinks he is way more smart than he actually is in this script, effects that lose their charm because so much was traced over with CGI, an idiotic plot that the main characters should have seen coming a mile away if they stayed on track, and a new explanation that doesn't make sense. The Xenos are now irrelevant and not at all that dangerous when compared to the Neomorphs. The Xenos need a facehugger to survive and it takes hours for the chestburster to come out. Neomorphs just have this black goo that is nearly impossible to avoid and BAM you have a much more ferocious chestburster which attacks on sight in like FIVE MINUTES, and a fully grown adult in another few minutes. Why the hell do we need the Xenos anyway? Because David wanted to prove a point about creating life? But why? What theme or big message does this all come down to? And if he just made these why is there that depiction of the Xeno on the wall in _Prometheus_ ? What exactly is he gonna do after this thing fucking kills everybody? It makes no sense and I can hardly see why I'm too dumb to see this as something so secretly brilliant. It ends with a shower murder scene which looks like it was taken from a shitty Friday the 13th rip off and two big action set pieces with guns and moving crates about getting the Xeno off the ship. It just all amounts to big Hollywood average shlock in the end. People who would say I'm too dumb to get this would remind me of the people who say I've been too dumbed down by the MCU to understand the "brilliance" of _Man of Steel_ and _Batman V Superman_ .
Scott should just move onto other stuff. He did great new and original things with _Gladiator_ and _The Martian_ , but when he returns to Alien he just magically becomes a new George Lucas. I don't want this prequel storyline, leave the mystery of the Xenos in tact Scott, and let others come in. I don't think Blomkamp's version would be perfect. While I do love _District 9_ , that's the only movie of his I did love, but I would give him another chance IF he could retcon the disgusting thing _Alien 3_ did in his intro. I would definitely take it over _Covenant_ and those awful things suggested for Alien 5. Does nobody understand that if the Xenos come to Earth, or do anything after Aliens, that means everybody who died in Alien and Aliens was just killed off in vain? It's terrible. That's why I think after _ALIENS_ THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END. In my head cannon, Ripley, Newt, Bishop, and Hicks are still in their cryotubes awaiting a nice return to safety and shelter. Nothing else happened after that.
I really hate to say it, but in general, about 85% - 90% of the whole franchise after _Aliens_ came out way back in 1986 has been mediocre at best and absolute shit at worst. Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection, both AVP's (though AVPR is clearly the worst and maybe the worst installment of any franchise I have ever seen), this prequel storyline, _Aliens: Colonial Marines_ , some of the really dumb crossover comics, the list goes on. The only things that are good and even great after the release of _Aliens_ are:
- _Alien Trilogy_ , a video game
- _Alien: Isolation_
- The first two AVP PC games
- AVP on Jaguar
- The best of the AVP comics
Other than that, this franchise is on a MEGA suck of a downfall. And not a single film is on that list above me.
At this point, I could only recommend two paths for this franchise at the moment to undo all this fucking terrible damage:
1. Retcon Alien 3 and everything else after and do one more movie and stop making the films there. Do a Flashpoint or Days of Future Past esque backtracking of the awful past things of the franchise and make it so that everything in Aliens is still the final ending of the franchise.
and/or
2. Make a new timeline and use that for your future. Maybe do AVP on film right this time. Go all out in space and with better fighting and an understanding of the characters. Make it R rated as well. Then you can do more after that as long as the events of the first two movies are kept in tact and not violated.
Just STOP DOING THIS PREQUEL STORYLINE.
i disagree
Why do people whine so much about the Star wars Prequels? Have you not seen The Last jedi and The Force Awakens? Talk about removing the mystery from a franchise. I actually liked ALL the prequels. I do agree with you on AvP video games. I actually had a Jaguar with AvP. Great game. I have Alien Isolation on my PC and the story there was so much better than Alien Covenant. I do see on some of your arguments but people need to stop bagging on the Star wars Prequels.
Your right, it is long. Doesn't anyone go to the movies for entertainment anymore?
Fox should have let Blomkamp give us Alien 5 and let Riddley make what he really wanted to make, a movie about gay robots in a cave...
You, sir, are awesome.
Agreed!
Let's not forget the part where they flashback to the previous movie (Covenant) and reveal his father abused him... hence his (David's) utter hatred for human beings.
I honestly don't know how nobody else picked that up in Covenant, but if that film was actually successful there's zero doubt in my mind that's where it would've went.
Ridley Scott went full George Lucas. Never go full George Lucas.
Midnight's Edge After Dark NICE & I completely agree
The reason Blomkamp's Alien 5 seemed exciting was because it brought back characters we loved from Aliens. It was Ripley's story we followed through the first couple of Alien movies, not the story of the Aliens.
for me, its exactly why i wasnt interested in the blomcamp movie. how many times do you need Ripley to beat the alien?
Exactly
Alien shouldnt be about aliens, but about the survival of humans against them. these days you see too much of the bad guys in every movie.
"Who made it and why?" Ridley Scott has no idea why people love the first two movies.
I agree with that, and think he's a little jealous of the praise "Aliens" always gets. (-Tom)
I wondered about this some.....some. The idea of a prequel with the engineers is a cool idea but the writing for both prequels lacked and in the case of Covenant....everything except the visuals sucked. The characters and story in Covenant was terrible. The only character I liked was David. Even he was ruined by the Other David...evil David. Not too many movies got me so hyped than sucked so bad. The other movie was The Last Jedi.......so bad.
Only someone severely mentally ill thinks explaining the origin of the *ALIEN* is a good idea.
I never questioned "Who made them" because I never once considered they had been made, actually I would prefer if they hadnt been "made" by any one. I also very much like the lore of the Predator tie in. So this modern android creating the aliens does not sit well with me at all and frankly kind of ruins the Alien story for me. Of all the Alien movies the two I'd like to see erased the most are the most recent two.
Yeah, I agree here. I never wondered who "made" the aliens, I just figured that's how the species traveled. Like burrs that stick to animals. It was good enough for me that the guy driving the derelict in Alien just basically made the same mistake John Hurt made, but in another place... "ooh, look at this cool egg, something's moving arou... oh crap!" Then woke up and drove off in his giant ship, until he got some serious reflux.
I absolutely loved Promethius! I thought it explained so much without actually focusing on the explanation but leaving clues for viewers to connect the dots themselves. Subtleties are used at a genius level which was awesome!
Sounds like Ridley Scott has "Gone Full Lucas." It's a phrase I am hoping will catch on for a director who has lost his grip on reality and has his ego on overload.
I don't know why people hate on Chappie, I thought it was a great movie and I've watched it many times. I did read somewhere that fans were expecting it to be as great as or better than District 9, which would be very difficult to achieve in my opinion.
FIRST: There was "Jump The Shark".
NOW: "Gone Full George Lucas".
{facepalm}
After what Disney, Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson has done to Star Wars I actually have a lot more respect for George Lucas and his Prequels.
I really liked District 9 but never saw chappie.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 It's an okay movie, but I can see why people were disappointed by it.
@@S3Cs4uN8 I've loved movies people hated and hated movies people loved. But I can watch a shitty movie so I probably have bad taste. I don't know. lol.
Prometheus/Covenant are the work of a sappy old man trying to be deep. The ultimate predator.....the apex of monsters.....man's worst nightmare.....that came from the depths of space..... Wait, what? A crazy robot made them? We made David, David made the Xenos, so in effect we made the Xenos? Hmmm. That reflavors the entire franchise. Is this another "Man is the real monster" guilt trip piece now?
It's like an old Scooby Doo cartoon. Turns out the monster was actually an escaped bio-weapon all along! Damn you David!
It also, BTW, retconns all the AvP movies since the timelines don't make sense. Maybe that's what Ridley intended, but it still reshuffles the entire franchise.
And I gotta say this. The ending of Covenant SUCKS! OK, Daniels discovering it's David is scary as shit, but doesn't it make the entire rest of the film irrelevant? Why root for her to survive only to imply her death and torture at the end? She would have been better off dying quick on the planet! When rewatching the narrow escapes and tension are gone once you know it's all for nothing. Sure, this works in smaller niche horror films, but mainstream movies with depressing endings don't make franchises.
Not only that, but it also messes with the Predator and Alien Extended Universe from comics and books, given that Predators have been hunting the fuckers for far longer than this movie implies they've existed.
Scott contracts some DCEU thinking it seems when he works on the Alien franchise, but then evolves back into a great and smart man when he works on original stuff.
How can something that looks so beautiful be so rotten?
Renegade Vile Even the first Alien movie implies that the Aliens are old due to the crashed ship with the fossilised Jock.
But now we are lead to believe that the ship has only been there for a couple of years?!?
I loved the idea of the fossilised Jock being some other unknown Alien race (as it's look implied) and the way it was left to our imagination to conceive the back story between the Jock and Xenomorphs... turns out is was just a humanoid in a space suit that, basically, crashed a couple of days ago?!? lol
+ HitManHey
Yes, that is exactly what is the worst part of these prequel movies to me as well.
Ridley Scott is a total hack. Just listen to his audio commentary in Prometheus. „I know exactly what I want“ one moment, and „we did several different versions of this, to see what works“ the next. The Alien franchise doesn‘t belong to him, and he clearly has no vision of where to take it. Aliens is one of the best sequels ever, and probably so because Scott had nothing to do with it.
Thank god someone finally agrees with me.
Scott is definitely overrated but to call him a ‘hack’ is absurd. When you’re as prolific a film maker as he’s been not every movie is going to be a masterpiece. He’s made some truly great films and some bad ones. His beat work far outweighs the bad imo.
What's up there, Buddy? Ridley Scott killed your dad or something?
George Lucas: Where did Darth Vader come from? Don't worry I'll make a film about it.
Ridley Scott: Where did the Alien come from? Don't worry I'll make a film about it.
Who cares.
Star Wars was about a farm boy dreaming of adventure and ended up becoming a man and saving the galaxy, that's all! Family soap opera and relations between a scoundrel and a princess were made up as they went along. They never planned for sequels. Do you want a film about where Gizmo came from?
Oh, what could have been. **Sigh**
I see your point but these origin stories are ultimately pointless and serve nothing to what the audience has already been exposed to. It's cannon fodder.
MrHEC381991 I agree? There was no need.
But if they had to make a Vader origin, I think it should have been a form of the Pinocchio story.
Boy leaves his mother, gets distracted, she dies and he turns against everything that distracted him.
Ridley Scott went full George Lucas. Never go full George Lucas.
They fucked up the lore of the Xenomorph. This franchise is dead right beside Terminator
True, but just like terminator it may still continue despite being dead.
Of course, they have to milk every dollar out the franchise. James Cameron wants to come back to save the Terminator franchise, Shane Black is coming back to save Predator, Ridley Scott is trying to save Alien but failed in my view by having a freakin droid makes the first eggs of the Xenomorph. Really? Lol wtf Scott I always thought the Xenomorph to be a parasite that evolved and evolved into the perfect killing machine.
Fast Forward to 2018...Disney buys Fox and now owns the ALIEN franchise.
Ridley Scott had an amazing opportunity with Prometheus, and he blew it. The biggest mistake he made was in allowing that hack Damon Lindleoff to touch the script. The end result was a poorly written film with the most idiotic characters ever.
Ridley basically screwed us all by derailing the Alien 5 script. He didn't want to risk someone doing a better job, so instead we got a silly Ridley - directed ALIEN Covenant.
Thanks a lot Ridley. No one cares about your trilogy leading in to ALIEN anymore. You screwed with fan expectations far too much, to the point that it was clear that you really had no idea what you were doing.
Jorn Navarre , Lindleoff took apart the Spaihts script, then taped it back together, leaving lots of pieces all over the floor. He ruined it, and Ridley was dumb enough to like the new ruined version.
Michael Biehn better return to Terminator before Alien.
Very well said. It still makes me so fucking angry inside when i think about how good prometheus could have been. The part that ruined it the most was the fucking retarded characters, and i don't even blame the actors because they just worked with what they got. They should have send a team of the very best of professionals the whole fucking planet had to offer, instead we got a bunch of retards god fucking damn it. If they had given me a month i'd came up with something far superior and i would have done it for free.
ΛLIΞИ GΞИOTYPΞ , yes, Prometheus could have and should have been one of the all time great science fiction films. Instead, it ended up being a meandering mess of disjointed ideas populated by idiots. You are right...the actors are not to blame. The failure rests squarely on the shoulders of Damon Lindleoff and Ridley Scott.
ΛLIΞИ GΞИOTYPΞ Prometheus was such dire rubbish that I lost interest in the franchise and did not bother to watch Covenant, having read here what happened in it I think I made the right choice. The only excuse for the characters in Prometheus could have for being such idiots is that the suspended animation was faulty and gave them all brain damage.
The Alien franchise was dead, and they should have left it that way. The only two movies in the entire franchise I would consider good (even great in these cases) are the first two. All the other ones are on an ever-decreasing slope of quality.
the one in the prison was pretty cool. felt a lot like the first movie
I didn't even realize the same person was behind District 9, Elysium, and Chappie (I don't follow actors/actresses/directors or any of that). I loved all those movies.
I'll probably get flamed but here goes... After all the bad press about Covenant I had been avoiding the movie since release. Then it came up on cable. I finally relinquished and watched it ad few days ago. To my surprise I really enjoyed it. Bare in mind I have watched every movie at release in the cinema. I was young and the first one scared the living crap out of me. Aliens 2 was a rocking adventure and took it to new heights. A3 and Resurrection were lost and going nowhere, very disappointing. Basically the last 2 tried to rehash / redo the other stories. Both 1 and 2 injected much new material and lore, coupled with great writing.
To be honest over nearly 40 years of this franchise I don't want to see the same plot :- signal, go down, egg, face hugger, rip the crew apart, blow creature off ship, sole survivor. While Covenant had that as an overarching plot, the sub plots were cool, digging into David, Shaw, expanding the Universe, but they really gave life to the Covenant mission, the Alien universe and started pulling all the arcs from the various movies together. It was also great seeing Guy Pierce as a younger Weyland providing the psychological background for David's behaviour. The irritating facial twitch from Weyland when David said he'll live for ever and Weyland wont was brilliant, yet very subtle. Weyland's personal toy was influenced very poorly for years thereafter by the poor morals and arrogance of his master (clearly seen in TED talk cut scene). The underlying depth was definitely there if you can see it.
While I saw it at home the visual effects were brilliant and very immersive. I love this in sci-fi, and it really drew me in. I finished the movie with a 7 out of 10 rating in my mind, but over the next few days as I processed it it climbed to an 8-8.5. I find Prometheus/Covenant it to be a story arc of it's own, and should not be intermixed or analysed with the Ripley timeline. Ultimately it's not my story to tell, it's Mr Scott's. For me personally, I'd love to see another movie in this arc. That ending!
To the producers: Please market the movies more clearly, stating the boundaries of the story arcs. In which case it may be possible to drive the Ripley and Prometheus arcs concurrently and keep the new and old fans happy. Blomkamp's work might work with such clarity. I don't think the mediocre box office is a result of a bad story as so much as marketing and communications, and poor timing with competitors. In this day and age EVERYTHING revolves around social media and who is driving it !
My fundamental problem with Covenant is it tries to tell me the Alien as we know has existed for less time in Universe than the franchise has existed in real life.
This is fantastic work. Thanks for it.
no scifi horror movie needs that much flute playing.
I'll do the fingering
I like how your narration style has evolved. You really sound better, and it's easier to listen to.
Covenant was the dumbest movie I've seen in years. Everything was just DERP and "fuck logic" and this is from a guy that didn't think Resurrection was all that bad.
If the latest Halloween film is any indication, making a film within a famous franchise and disregarding elements from previous installments can actually work and also be a satisfying capstone to an iconic character associated with that franchise.
I hate that even the amazing Alien Isolation will be left hanging...
Alien Isolation was the best thing that happened to the franchise in over 2 decades
Oh god, the jaggies on that game. Unplayable. Shame because if I could have tolerated the jaggies the game had promise.
Well, if you have a powerful GPU, you can use DSR on nvidea, It heavily reduces the shader aliasing. ALSO there is a mod called "Alias Isolation" which get rid of the shader aliasing, you don't need a powerful GPU to use the mod. Either way i enjoyed Alien Isolation even with the jaggies back when i didn't have my gtx 1070 yet.
@@mattp6089 Unplayable? What, did you run it on a console or laptop or something??? It was (and still is) IMO a visually beautiful game, totally nailed the aesthetics of the original film. A real shame crappy hardware screwed you out of enjoying one of the most intense gaming experiences of the last few years...
@@JohnBrowser2013 crappy hardware? No I just played it before Alias Isolation was available. On a 3440x1440 monitor it wan an awful experience.
The existence of a free third party mod to make the game look like it should have all along is no excuse for them having released it looking like that.
If you don't know what I'm talking about in terms of bad quality perhaps look at this Alias Isolation comparison video. If you hate jaggies, you hated Alien Isolation, simple as that. ruclips.net/video/G6Aq7Ayoqvo/видео.html The blinds at the end show it really well, but that effect was through every part of the game I played before giving up and it most certainly should not have been.
I'm glad others enjoyed it but I cannot *stand* jaggies and they were not acceptable for a game released in 2014.
Ridley Scott is a talented director, but he loves his own farts and think they smell much better than anyone else's. We've seen this kind of world-building failure before when George Lucas was given legendary status and got waaaaay too much power over the production of the prequels. This is essentially the same.
Maybe Blomkamp could be like the JJ Abrahams of the Alien franchise. He can make a follow up NOT AS GOOD as the original masterpiece, but still capture the heart, soul, mystery, characterization, and simple storylines of the originals MUCH BETTER than its original creator.
What? nobody talks about part 7 anymore and is just rehash and he only did that because he didn't wanted the fans to attack him if the story was different.
7 has problems and is not up there with the greatness of the first three. But at the very least, Abrahams understands the universe that made the first three so great and he returns to the simpler roots of the franchise that made it more enjoyable. The characters are understandable and likable, all very different from each other, much of the story can be told visually without dialogue, there is no political banter or talks, there is a better emphasis on organic effects rather than CGI, and he leaves the force, and the lore of what happened in the past shrouded in mystery and in ominousness without explaining everything that happened with confusing themes. He understands the classic tale of good vs evil in the original trilogy. The plot can be very similar to Episode IV, but at the same time it does follow very different characters, each with different goals, different points of context, and the story for the big picture of TFA is not to destroy the space station, it's to find Luke and restore hope. It's like how the first two Spider-Man movies followed basically the same beats, or how many things about Alien and Aliens are similar. That is way more than can be said for Scott in his work on this prequel storyline.
It was too simple for me. Too much of what came before. For me it was too small and too limited, not enough explanations. The characters were fine but didn't make too much sense, like Finn acting like a totally normal person after years of harsh training and brain washing. Plus do you mean practical effects? Organic effects imply they used living flesh for the sets. Plus the prequel trilogy had tons of model work, look it up. The CGI was very prominent in TFA, just not as much in the prequels since those were new and they needed to make use of what was new, not what was old. And I would have preferred some explanation of the political situation like in the OT as opposed to what we got, that is none what so ever. TFA was passable, but I don't think Abrams did that good of a job honestly and I'm dreading what he'll to to IX.
Being too simple is what is best for the franchise at this point. Hell, the original trilogy was basically a very simple story of good vs evil based more on character development than a groundbreaking story. Same thing goes with the first two Alien films as well. You have to keep in mind that Finn at his core is essentially a coward, and he's the type of person who thinks he can go through with it all thanks to his platoon and the strength he has amassed, but when it comes to actually taking away a human life he just can't do it. Like how Abrahams showed he can't fire at those innocent Jaaku villagers while everybody else can. Without a single piece of dialogue nontheless. The entire scene where Ren looks at Finn while he still has his head down after the slaughter is way more in tact and in tone with the original masterpieces that any of Episodes 1 or 2, and hell even most of 3.
You are right about the practical effects rather than the organic. But int he PT the over dependence on newer stuff such as CGI in the newer films is similar to how man people had issues with the bad rendering effects in _Kingdom of the Crystal Skull_ . When so much of what is actually infront of the screen is clearly the work of the computer, a lot of the magic of what makes the effects so incredible is lost, it takes away the feeling of characters are actually interacting with a real character who is there than just something existing in a computer. An amount of CGI is good if it is mixed in with other effects so that your eye can't get used to so many different effects going on in one film so the line between what is CGI and what is a real prop becomes more blurred (just look at _Jurassic Park_ and _Terminator 2_ .) but if you rely too much on CGI and it is 85 - 90% of all of your effects then it will soon become much easier to spot and then realize it is all effect. Not to mention a lot of the charm and realism of having something right there in front of the camera is lost. Just compare Rey talking to BB-8 vs. Solo talking to Jabba in the restored scene from Episode IV, or the Battle of Yavin to the Battle of Naboo in Episode I. The ones that have stuff in front of them will simply age MUCH better.
And when it comes to the OT leaving out political banter, again, that is what makes it so good. Lucas based these films not off of political thrillers or dramas, but instead on classic and cheesy serials such as Flash Gordon, along with tons of other pieces of influence. It's not designed to talk about boring tripe such as taxation, trade federations or whether or not a Senate will allow a planet to defend itself from an invasion, it's a classic tale of good vs evil akin to many epics that came to the past which inspired it to begin with. That is something Abrahams captures WAY better than Lucas did in the OT.
Off topic but, I love Chappie.
I don't get the hate for Chappie, either (-Tom)
Once again a franchise could be in mortal danger, because of the ego of it's original director.
I'd rather watch a Tony Scott movie.
Helter Skelter He definitely was the more talented one in the family.
@@randallsnyder5757 Indeed. Ridley got really lucky with an amazing script in '79 and has been coasting on that every since.
Wow, what a mess! I wasn't aware of some of this history, so thanks for making this. I'm not sure how much more I can roll my eyes at this franchise without them coming loose and popping out of my skull.
My favorite video you've ever done. Alien & Aliens are my two favorite movies and it a shame what FOX and R. Scott has done to this series
I love Alien, really the whole franchise is beautiful to me, even the lesser of it. There's a line in the third movie where Ripply says "You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else." which I take to heart. I remember being in diapers, sitting on someones knee as they watched Aliens, Aliens is my first memory ever.
The problem with Prometheus and Covenant is simple. Riddly Scott became full of himself. As cruel as it is to say, it is true. Riddly forgets that it was a GROUP effort to make Alien, with Dan O'bannon writing, with H.R. Gigers design, these people met on the failed Joddaroski's Dune movie that fell through, it was a group effort that brought Alien to life, not Riddly Scott's lone effort and mind. I believe as Riddly Scott became a more distinguished director he simply started making 'Oscar movies' movies designed to win Oscars, with their muted color pallet, manipulative story lines, grand sweeping orchestras made more by check boxes than any sort of passion.
The fatal flaws with Prometheus are two fold, one, the tie in media was NEEDED to get the full story and understanding, you had to dig on websites, watch webasoides and garbage like that, then the movie was a hot mess without these cipher keys that helped put it together. Another movie Cloverfield, had a brilliant tie in ARG but the thing is.. you didn't need the other to enjoy it, the movie was a side story in the ARG, the ARG fleshed out alot of understanding FOR the movie, but you didn't need the ARG to enjoy the movie, it told a self contained story that ANYONE could enjoy. Prometheus told a disjointed story, that you needed external sources to piece together and get a full cohesive narrative.
The second problem with Prometheus was simply that, it missed what made Alien scary. The Unknown. The unknown is a very primal fear, if not the core of it, when you don't understand something, when you can't reason with something when you don't know the motives of something it becomes fearful, which is why many humans fear the outsider, they are the unknown, we don't understand so we fear what we don't understand. In Alien you could see how the life form operated but it instilled so much unknown, such as where and why were missing, it was teeth and claws, it couldn't be reasoned with. With Prometheus Riddly Scott goes to great lengths to take away the unknown, the mysticism, the smoke in front of the mirror. With the explanation of the Alien it looses alot of what made it scary, tainting it's predecessors because it's cannon now.
A third and more minor flaw is not to be ignored, Riddly Scott threw away near forty years worth of LORE, just because he didn't make them, they aren't part of his movie. To him he only sees Alien, and the funny thing about the franchise is every Alien movie is good, for /vastly/ different reasons and allusions. Different elements brought people into the fold as fans, to just disregard what came before because you claim ownership (When as established it was a group effort not Riddly Scott alone) and you don't want to even look at what other people have done, have brought to the table, have /improved/ upon your work.
Covenant failed for different reasons, one thing it stuck to from Prometheus was the tie in media, including the Last supper short which served as characterization for the cast because Covenant jumped straight to the action, began killing characters with no characterization within the context of the movie. This is a major sin, in movies, in stories, Death NEEDS Meaning, when a character dies there needs to be a reason, no matter how silly it is, and that death needs weight to carry the story forward. In Covenant there is no weight, it expects everyone to have watched the tie in media, but within the context of the movie in a vacuum from it's tie-in media, it failed, he kills characters we barely know their names, if at all, we don't know who they are, what they do, their reasons or goals and death carry's little if any weight.
Covenant also felt beyond rushed like it is trying to staple two and a half movies together to rush to another trilogy, it doesn't take the time it needs to develop, it feels like we skipped another movie with Shawl and David that is the foundation for Covenant, and half way through it brings out the Alien (With studio pressure/intervention more than likely) so you have Xenomorphs crawling around, their creation given zero dignity and all fully CGI with little practical effects. It feels like more of a mess than the first one.
I feel if Riddly is a poor choice to leave in charge of the Alien Cannon, he can barely understand the basis of his OWN work much less the proper deconstruction of horror to instill fear, I feel that his movies are to... pretentious, like Riddly Scott is smarter than you and he is going to show you that he is smarter than you and if you don't get it he will take you by the hand, pat it a time or too and condescend to you and explain it in baby talk.
I love the series... I hate what Riddly Scott is doing and has done to it.
(For the record I spent so long typing this up that you had taken the OLD video down while I was trying to post it there, so I copied and pasted this over. Don't scare me like that!)
I really want to see the prequels & learn what happened to Shaw and what David is planning on doing with all the ppl on the covenant ship
7:33 Dun dun DUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHN!!! Man, what a goofy picture you found! Well done.
An add for Star Trek Discovery just showed up on my video and I'm laughing my ass off.
I really enjoyed both prometheus and covenant. I like how ridley scott didnt (or doesnt) rely on the alien itself and more focuses on telling a unique story. And that subject matter that he’s dealing with is so fascinating!
Like I said on the other channel, Damon Lindelof is cancer. In my opinion, his changes to the Prometheus script is what alienated it from the fan base. Okay, maybe alienated wasn't the best word to use, I just thought it would be funny.
yer so right-on the prometh commentary he comes lokkin like a king duce-spaights?humble&way cool:)
Alien and Aliens are two of my favorite movies and I still watch them at least once every two years.
As a fan of the original movies I never wanted an origin story because they really didn't need one. It was a mystery and sometimes a mystery is better left unsolved.
I thought Prometheus and Covenant were pretty bad. A lot of design choices really had me scratching my head.
Story elements had me baffled at just how brainless the characters were.
They were completely unrelatable and so far removed as to how a person would react rationally to a situation that I was laughing.
The whole idea of the creation of the zenomorph is probably my biggest problem.
How everything revolves around Earth and humanity makes the universe feel incredibly small and watered down.
Poor handling of the material.
Also it annoys me that Ripley has to be involved. Her story (as far as I'm concerned) was concluded in Alien 3.
Even in Alien 4 it was once again concluded. She made it to Earth. Done.
Stop beating a dead horse and move on to other characters.
On a side note though, if FOX was to continue the franchise I would love to see a movie adaptation of Aliens: Genocide.
It's a four part comic mini-series that is really good and well worth reading.
TimHorton ... re: "How everything revolves around Earth and humanity makes the universe feel incredibly small and watered down." ... Spot on. Although if unchecked Ridley might ... after resolving the xenomorph origins ... start in on the Engineers origin ... and having them as some pre-human origin on Earth.
Dr. McCoy knows all about this franchise, It's dead, Jim.
Better off dead than whatever the fuck Ridley Scott was doing to it. Sometimes, a mercy killing really is mercy. Alien has been raped enough. Let the poor girl rest.
Thanks a lot for making this video and bringing me up to speed :)
In Alien:Covenant, David is the midi-chlorians of the saga - putting an unnecessary and unwanted spin on it. Now instead of a mysterious, alien (!) creature from outer space we have David the android as the puppet master behind it all with Shaw possibly being the first "alien queen" after being butchered and her ovaries possibly being used for experiments.
I never wanted to know where the Aliens came from and who "made" them - that alone assumes that they are artificially made. Imagine those beings as the result of some evolutionary process and just being used as weapons - big scary difference, isn't it?
Try to imagine a world where beings like the Xenomorph exist in a natural habitat - and maybe them *not* being at the top of the food chain. Now, there's some potential for stories, especially when you consider the Predators as part of the same universe.
But no, now it is all just the work of a android who is disappointed with humanity and engineers, too. One can explain a thing to death - and they did it with Alien:Covenant. It just ... diminishes ... the Alien universe in its glory.
In my opinion only watch Alien and Aliens and then just stop.
It's such a shame. I remember back then, after Aliens, I wolfed down all the Dark Horse comics trying out tons of cool settings and giving us cool stories. The AvP in comic form was much better than the movies.
How is it that Hollywood, presented with a buffet of already existing great ideas screaming "film me", always decides to write shitty scripts on their own and tank the according franchises?
to answer your last point in question.... cocaine, lots and lots of cocaine
Didn't take long for this comment to age poorly.
Take that franchise away from Scott before he turns it into a joke, George-Lucas-Style.
Too late
Yeah sadly, it's already too late. They should have stopped him after prometheus.
Help us, Neill, you're our only hope!
Ellen Ripley's story ended. She died on Fury. Hicks and Newt died.
Ciaran Murren which was stupid, so ignoring that would be a massive improvement.
exactly, her story is over. i was not interested in a 5th movie about someone that keeps encountering this extremely deadly lifeform and manages to beat it every time
No, she's asleep in a cryotube. Alien is only 2 movies.
Correct my friend.
I absolutely love how into Aliens Weaver is.
The problem with the Alien movies is they lost the plot.
Alien (1979) - Space truckers are forced to deal with a killer Alien on a ship (audience at the end thinks if I had some guns and marines we would kill that alien)
Aliens (1986) - Ripley and Space marines try to escape a nest of aliens (audience at the end thinks.. hey I would protect that 'family' and get more robots to kill aliens)
Alien 3 (1992) Then they killed everyone but Ripley and put her in prison. (Audience response .. HELL NO)
They left the audience hanging and breaking the pattern that worked on the movies. People never wanted to find out the genesis of the aliens as much as what they were like. They were insect boogie men. The teeth that kill in the dark. Alien 4 and the AvP both tamed the monster! Alien prequels have tried to explain them. We want to be scared of them and pit our minds and hearts against them.
Yes we like to see the end of Ripley's story. After all she is the Everyman that rose up to defeat the monster that can never fully die like the heroes of ancient myth but in the end they tried to make her an alien lover (in the worst way).
You can write your way out of anything but you have to know what you messed up to start..they don't know so this franchise is on life support.
The more explanations that came about in Scott’s Prometheus storyline, the more uninteresting it all became. The fact that the first two films had such a vague origin for everything, to me, that made it much more terrifying. The aspect of mystery is totally abandoned when everything is so clearly defined.
Alien Covenant was the movie that ruined the cinema for me. I was totally hyped for that movie. I really wanted to know what happened to Shaw and the engineers. It revealed it through a bunch of bullshit drawings and a really weak plot. I haven't watched a movie in the cinema ever since that piece of shit.
You're spot on. The only investment I had in this prequel series was in fact Shaw. As much as I hated Prometheus, I was still left wanting to see what happened to her. She was on a journey to get answers, and I was onboard with the idea of going with her to get those answers. But instead of that, she was killed unceremoniously between films, like what Alien3 did to Newt & Hicks. Fuck that noise.
Cynical Joker
Well said. There's still goodness in the cinema: in this year alone we've had tons of fantastic movies that are really trying to break the mold. Without some SERIOUS resuscitation, the Alien franchise on the other hand is as good as dead, and in need of a proper burial...
Shaw got the Alien 3 treatment. Thought they would have known better
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The drawings of Shaw, according to a release early script of Logan's, is not what David did to her, as some of them are ""incompatible". The drawings were meant to be robot porn. Hooray, we found how that would be like.
I appreciate the information but it does nothing to lessen my ire for this movie. It's like when people keep telling me to watch Batman V Superman Director's Cut telling me that the added footage makes the movie more coherent. I don't care. BVS Director's Cut isn't what I saw in the cinema. What I saw was a giant hunk of shit. Same goes for Covenant. No novel, early script or whatever will make it suck less because the product that was given in the theater showed us through bullshit illustrations the story of a how a very interesting character disappeared.
I think i am the only one who was never that hyped over Neil Blomkamps movie, it would basicley just be another movie like Aliens and i'm certain people would be disappointed with it.
My hopes for the franchise is that Ridley makes his sequel to Covenant and tie it all up, that he does the thing he wants and stops being distracted by everybody. It should be about AI and engineers, like he wants to and not so much about the xeno because he is right in that it had its run and there's nothing left to do.
If they would make a movie about the xenomorphs there is one thing i think would be intresting. Following an expedition sent out to capture a xenomorph, a crew that know what they're up against and they are going to catch it.
That wouldn't be an intresting movie to many people though since it would need a twist, and that in turns means we'd just get another aliens movie. They are gonna catch it, something goes wrong, they're stranded, they try to establish communications, everyone dies except for one person and so on.
They should just give up. They made a mistake when they had Giler & Hill do the script for Alien 3. That is where it all went off the rails and the franchise never recovered since then. And it will never recover.
My brother and I are life long Aliens fans. I loved the first one but it was the second one with it's great characters, excellent tension and (unsurpassed since) action that we both bonded over. I must have watched it with my brother over 100 times after school and on weekends. We both knew the dialogue off by heart, made Lego reincarnations of the vehicles and would spend hours reinacting scenes. We. Loved. It. Halfway through the latest movie I leaned over and shook him awake and his first words were "Ah Christ, is this pile of fucking shite still going?"....
We left immediately (only the second time I've ever walked out of a movie), went for a really sad pint together and that's the last we spoke of it. Ridley can stick whatever new ideas he has for this franchise in an airlock and eject them out into space as far as I'm concerned.
I would give anything to have Cameron direct another Alien. Ridley seems out of it, mumbles in interviews, he really lost his touch. He's bitter about anyone making a better alien movie than him. He's over there talking about there was no Alien 5 script, just lies 😂
Great video
Aliens vs Predator, as envisioned by Dark Horse comics was awesome. However, Hollywood had to totally screw it up. Its a cool concept, but Hollywood can't seem to pull their heads from their asses long enough to do it right, but always have to taint it with their egos. Heck, Dark Horse even had a vision of Alien 3 sequel that was also bad-ass, but again, Hollywood had to completely screw it up and we got the trash that was Alien Resurrection. Hollywood needs to be nuked from orbit, its the only way to be sure.
Are you referring to the William Gibson script of Alien 3 that Dark Horse did?
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I'm referring to the Dark Horse comic script.
Dark Horse had multiple versions.
part of what makes the xeno scary is that it's a thing that just IS.
it's out there, you can't get to understand it, and if you try, you die.
no origins story could be as terrifying as what i said above.
this is one of those cases where an actual reboot would have made more sense, or just parallel stories that take place somewhere else with different characters and locations
The Martian was the worst thing that could've happened. It made Fox think that Scott was still the shit and that indulging his ideas for the Alien franchise was a good idea. I love the Ridley Scott of old, but he's completely lost his edge. (I didn't like the Martian much at all and feel it's one of the most overrated movies of recent years). Who knows if Blomkamp would've done any better, but Covenant was utter crap.
That applies to almost every job ever. I and my team create great things, yet my boss gets paid more and gets the recognition and perks.
The Martian is amazing what are you talking about?
The Martian did so well because they stuck to the book, the story was handed to them all they had to do was trim it down and have a good actor take the lead. The movie was good, but I love the audio book.
Scott is brilliant at adapting other peoples stories, not so good developing his own.
in my opinion scott should stick to cinematography and the writer on any film he does should not be a yes man
good and informative channel. Subscribed
Wait.
I went to see Guardians 2. _There was an Aliens movie out at the same time?!?_
It came out two weeks later, May 19th.
Jamie Lee is returning to Halloween, Linda is returning to Terminator. Wouldn't be surprised to hear that Sigourney is returning for some form of Blomkamp's Alien 5 proposal in the next two years. Nostalgia is becoming THE dominant force in Hollywood.
Honestly I think the alien franchise is dead at this point
Good. I'd rather it be dead than have Ridley keep making terrible movies.
I have always liked Alien 3 as a standalone film (great characters and atmosphere), but that movie is what derailed Alien as a series; killing off Newt and Hicks without a second thought after how hard they fought to survive in Aliens was pure madness. Blomkamp gets it, and I was really looking forward to seeing all the creative ways he could come up with for Xenomorphs to dismember people :'(
Prometheus is vastly underrated and criminally misunderstood. The parts of Covenant that fell short were all a result of this. I still dig Covenant, but I want the conclusion.
awesome production. well done
I've enjoyed all of the films associated with the franchise, but the first two were far superior to the rest. I felt both Prometheus and especially Covenant lost their way and focused too much on the David/Walter character. It would great to find a way to bring Sigourney/Ripley back into the next film, as she was best part of the franchise.
My idea for a third alien/prometheus movie is as follows:
The engineers are the main characters in the movie and comes to the planet that was in the Prometheus movie.
There they find Weyland inside the crashed spaceship. They have a blue elixir which they empty all over him and bring him to life.
In the next part they arrive at the planet from alien covenant and find the other robot(Walter) who is david's twin.The engineers use the blue elixir and repairs him.
Once awaken the engineers and Weyland get to know all the horrible things that David has done, and weyland says "we have to stop David" .
They set course for origae. When they arrive,they scans all the planet,and finds the planet is full of hostile organisms except
on a high mountain where they discover that there are humans inside a cave.
Inside the cave they meet a herd of children, who tell that when they had lived on the planet for over ten years,
they began to be attacked by Xenomorphs and all the adults died or were turned into these creatures.
There were also great giants developed by someone the children calls David.
The engineers get ready to wipe out all the Xenomorphs that David has created, but the great giants manage to escape with one of the engineers' spaceships.
The engineers and Weyland hunts the spaceship and manage to force the spaceship down on the planet lv426.Where it start sending a distress signal.
The engineers return to Origae to find David, but discover that he has escaped.
In the last part we see David arriving and meeting an unknown alien species
on a tropical like planet.And that makes the cliffhanger that ends the third movie.
Newt!?!! She was dead on arrival in Alien 3--which was an absolute crime by the franchise. How were they going to bring her back to life? The most important thing the franchise can do is stop making characters who act like morons. Scott is a hack who went pure Alien horror formula with Covenant. Cameron understands Alien much better than Scott.
I see why Ridley didn't want Blomkamp to direct an Alien film, it's cause Blomkamp anthropomorphizes A.I. too much and Scott wanted to illustrate how dangerous creation is. Woah. Thanks for the vid man.
Ridley Scott's next movies will explain where the Engineers came from because apparently that's what all the fans are asking about.
#Facepalm
"As a former English major..." Sigourney Weaver did Cabin in the Woods and Ghostbusters 2016 XDDD
The first 2 alien movies were excellent ... the remaining not so much
Alien 3 Assembly Cut is a downbeat masterpiece to me....I'man Alien Trilogy&Star Wars og trilogy Man,Now&Forever:)
This just confirms, for me, that success, and specifically the success of the original Alien movie, only confused Ridley Scott.
Blomkamp version could have been interesting, whatever it was
I don't care about what Ridley Scottt is doing, he's like the inverse of midas, everything he touch turned to shit
king midas in reverse-like duff mckagan from gunsn'roses-"mr. punk rock integrity"sold his bandmate izzy stradlin out in cold blood over fucking money!!!I fucking hate hypocrites&sellouts-they are judas's
All they had to do was keep Newt alive in Alien 3. Ripley protects her and she stows away on the Weyland-Yutani ship when it arrives on the prison planet and escapes. Two things would have resulted:
1. Alien 3 wouldn't have been the complete disappointment it was to the majority of fans. Ripley's sacrifice at the end was very tragic, yet heroic and fitting for her character, but it would be made to also save Newt. It would be a great ending to Ripley's story, but with Newt carrying the torch, the audience would be left much more satisfied and excited to see the series continue. Let's face it, Alien 3 had its appeal, but it was just too depressing the way it ended.
2. They could've picked anyone to play the adult Newt and she would be the one to fight the corporation/military in Alien: Resurrection, along side those mercenaries, instead of the silly cloning-of-Ripley idea, which simply made no sense, as much as I like Sigourney Weaver.
After that, the logical continuation of the story should've been a larger-scale attack of the xenos on human population. Either Earth or another planet. Instead of the under-powered, undermanned, marines versus a bunch of xenos in Aliens. It would be full-on war. Of course there's room for human drama as well. Think zombie apocalypse except with smarter, stealthier, and much deadlier opponents. Also, there could be a variety of new xenos. There already exist many great designs of xenos that are bulkier (about half the size of the queen, but more agile). Give the marines cool new weapons, like plasma rifles or a BFG-type gun. Or how about something like the plasma-cutter from Dead Space? How about combat androids?!?! (They exist in the AvP non-movie universe, so why not?) There's so much they could do with this. Everyone loves James Cameron's Aliens for making Alien franchise a more combat focused, action story, but with relatable human emotion and drama. So why not keep that going?
This series could've been so cool, instead we get Prometheus and Covenant. Yes, David is cool as the misanthrope android, but that's literally all it has going for it. The rest is complete and utter dogshit. We want relatable, likeable characters, who we care about. Every single character in both those movies are insufferable idiots. You actually grow to hate them and then simply not care what happens to them because they are so stupid and poorly written. The truckers in space idea worked so perfectly because they were likeable and made believable decisions. Like-wise with the marines. Instead we get the world's dumbest scientists making one stupid decision after another. It's the total opposite of what anybody wanted.
If "some fans" really do see Ellen Ripley as "the face of the franchise", and that's what Fox/Disney decide to go forward with, the Alien franchise WILL BE the next victim of "Get Woke, GO BROKE!".
As integral and important as "Lt. Ellen Ripley" has been to the franchise, and as much as I'd LOVE to see Sigourney Weaver reprise her role, exactly zero titles in the Alien/AVP franchises have been titled "Ellen Ripley" or "Ripley". Why do you think that is? It's because since Ridley Scott's 1979 original, people have been paying good money to have the Alien creature scare the hell out of them!
There have been numerous movie sequels and several video games that have had nothing to do with the Ripley character. The franchise can succeed without Ripley, it CANNOT, however do the same without the Xenomorph.
Covenant ruined the origin of the Xenomorph by having David be their creator. It made the Alien universe a lot smaller.
Covenant was not a very good film... it highlighted everything wrong with the series. It doesn't help that Ridley is hooked up on old ideas... AI creating war with mankind. That is Terminator, its been done. I thought this next film would continue with the Engineers, not rehash or focus on the alien and David. It was just a very uninspired film and utterly predictable. I hope FOX cancels the next one. I didn't see this film at the theatre and I won't bother seeing the next one if they allow Ridley to continue.
"When that's finished there'll be another one and then another one, which will gradually drive into the back entrance of the film in 1979" - Ridley Scott
So your saying your prequels wil buttf*** the original movie? Sounds about right...
I'm not saying it would've even been good. But we still should've been given Alien 5 by Blomkamp over that pile of shit called Alien Covenant.
I hated so much when they canceled the Alien 5 project, Ripley needs to be back, and the idea of a proper Aliens sequel is amazing
Last time I was this early I was the first comment on the first upload of this video.
Think the more people talk about it, the more one wants to actually see what Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5 would've been. In light of both Prometheus and Alien: Covenant failing at the box office. Ridley Scott only doing sequels to Prometheus to wipe away the stink of what Damon Lindelof's crappy writing did to Prometheus and every other film he's been involved with (Cowboy Vs Aliens, Star Trek Into Darkness, Prometheus, World War Z, Tomorrowland etc's).
Yeah i would've really liked to have seen a post Alien Resurrection movie in Alien 5 done by Neill Blomkamp!
I like Alien Covenant and I like Alien 3. When I heard Neil was trying to erase Alien 3 and Res I was kinda pissed. Glad he is out. Hope we get Prometheus 3 to see what David will be up too.
Young BZ No words can describe the amount of petty fan outrage this comment elicits.
Covenant was shit and completely misunderstood the appeal of the franchise.
Oh well I thought Covenant was great. You are entitled to your opinion.
i also loved the Covenant, hope there will be a third movie
Cheers
Why you mad bro?
Wow! Excellent, informative video. Around the time ALIENS was getting released, Ridley Scott said in an issue of Cinefantastique that he didn’t understand why he wasn’t asked to do a sequel to ALIEN, all the previous while, having said he didn’t do sequels. Well duh, Ridley. They didn’t ask because you were busy with DUNE, then BLADE RUNNER, then LEGEND, and you’d already said you didn’t do sequels. Scott seemed offended that Cameron even made the sequel, to what he apparently considered to be his movie. I think he doesn’t want ANYONE doing ANY ALIEN movie, except him. I think Blomkamp probably was a little too respectful to Scott and that had he should have pushed harder by getting Weaver and Cameron to fight along side him against Fox (and Scott). If he hadn’t been so cautious with Scott, Fox might have seen the wisdom of a movie giving fans what they wanted, especially if Weaver and Cameron had put their weight behind it.
Alien Resurrection is just dumb. It pains me deeply that we have to acknowledge it.
Found Prometheus underwhelming at best so couldn't be bothered to watch Covenant. Now that Fox is now yet another Disney company I do not hold out much hope for this series ever getting better.
Bring back Alien5 please.....we are a huge following🙏👍😉
AvP would work well on the small screen, better in fact. The reason is that in a movie you have the concept trying to carry the film. In a series, you have to tell a story around the concept due to having more time to fill and budget constraints. That's the way to do it.