Such a great, informative vid, you can feel the heart, soul, dedication and time going into this just for it to get next to no views and that's infuriating. And it's not because people didn't want to watch it, it just never came up on anyone's recommended and the topic is way too obscure for someone to just search for it via the search bar. It's absolutely sad to know that the man behind this vid is gone and there won't be another one. RIP 2and900.
It’s sad RUclips didn’t recommend his videos much. Even with notifications on I was rarely notified of his uploads and never saw them in my recommended. He really put so much effort into this channel
28:20 but russians did just that with the Char 2C . They had the very last one and in their hands it vanished although it was likely scrapped On a different note, I recall seeing a picture of 2 soviets standing in front of a very weird unique japanese tank. I can't recall what to google
The image you're referring to is just of a turret emplacement at Koto Fortress. They had a few of those with varying size and armament in the fortress.
@@user-op8fg3ny3j Unfortunately he ended his own life. It will be a year since then in about 2 weeks. Life was tough for the poor guy and he never got the recognition he deserved.
Considering Japan pretty much burned a load of documentation of everything, including their nuclear program that is fraught with conspiracy, Japan also went to great length to destroy a lot of their stuff overseas or hide it. One has to realise that Japan did not just become a nuclear state through US aid, they had scientists, engineers from before the war that were well versed in nuclear subjects, and most of Japanese heavy tanks were designated to be used in Manchuria thats why they were developed in the first place, its safe to assume all their heavy tanks were sent to Manchu, and fought, Soviet reports also state Japan did have some very large tanks that fought against Soviet tanks, and Chinese military reports further reinforces the notion of Japanese heavy tanks as Chinese could not identify these tanks as Chi Ha or Ha Go most common type found in China. A lot of Japanese armour were captured and later scrapped by China, would not be unthinkable to scrap Japanese heavy tanks as they were few and contained a lot of precious resources at the time China lacked a lot of.
I'm pretty sure those documents that wargaming released was probably some sort of fanfiction to boost the hype of the release of the Japanese heavy tank line witch consists of: Type 91, Type 95, O-I Experimental, O-I, O-Ni, O-Ho, Type 4 Heavy and The Type 5 Heavy. (In that order)
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if these were real, because we don't know much about the world war 2 in Asia, so i do belive having some vehicles that serve, were used in combat and lost in combat, without us even knowing about it's existence.
Is it possible we'll see a video on the Ferdinand Looking Ji-ro (105mm)? The one that has no photographic evidence but has lots of blueprints and papers saying it existed.
No there was a photo of the back side It said ‘2nd Tank Regiment, Armored Car Unit. Showa 10 [1935] December 1. 100 Million Hearts United.’ He just didn’t show it idk why
@@onemax7846 Well, considering that officially the Type 92 was referred to as an armoured car for political reasons... everything about the silhouette lines up.
I always enjoy indepth videos to see if I've missed anything in my notes but. 10:50 - The chart (if original, I've tripped over it too a few times) cannot be from the "early 30s" when the M4 Sherman, M7 HMC and Ram are on it as those are from the 40s. 12:15 - The Ishe-108 is a debated topic with a common theory being that it, as a matter of fact, a japanese report about the Vicker A1E1, which in turn were counter reported as if the japanese had made a version of their own. Some other youtuber (think it was Cone of Arc) argues this is why we only ever see the drawing with the turret pointed towards the viewer, even in the side profile. 15:20 - You swapped the units around by accident mate.
Just watching this and worked out the key flaw in the Mitsu-104, only having a trench crossing of 3.9mm meant it would have had severe difficulties in off road manoeuvrability. Yes I know it's probably a typo.
This video was made with the help of BlackSmith38 who did most of the editing, thanks! You can pick up a copy of the Book used for research here: amzn.to/2UrOWBu And you can read about the O-I as well as other odd Japanese projects on Seon's blog: sensha-manual.blogspot.com/ A few extra things Japan bought a Tiger and Panther form Germany, Could be counted as Heavy tanks but they are foreign. The "Heavy Medium, M104" also shows up in a report from 1944 under the name "Heavy Tank Type 97", Drawing is the same as on the poster at 10:20, you can read that here: dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/4009934/9 -Also on the poster I say I think it is from the early 30s, I meant early 40s Time Stamps: 0:00 Intro 0:39 Japan's First Tanks 4:30 Tanks Forgotten From History 20:02 The O-I And The Fakes 30:16 More Mysteries and Outro 33:06 Bonus News
One possibility for the 2 man tank carrying 30 boxes of ammo is a re-supply version. Also, several tanks had cogged front idlers. Possibly it had central cogs and in the attempt to draw a dual cogged rear drive sprocket like most tanks have, he drew it like a kid draws all four legs of a dog underneath it in a side view as anything else is an engineering nightmare. The Japanese built the heaviest battleships of all time and were capable industrially of any of this. Decentralized development would produce weird results and they were certainly influenced by Hitlers ideologies and were apparently supplied with vastly superior engines from them. Mabey it was an attempt to speed development of one of Hitlers horrible supertank ideas to be shared without using german production, development and materials. Many in Germany probably wanted Hitler to see them fail as they knew was inevitable but in the hands of the Japanese. Remember, They were shipping them nuclear materials to develop atomic bombs as well!
Great video about a very obscure topic. I wish Japanese archives were more open, but eh. For a new video idea: Japanese heavy tank destroyers. Mai's website, has one outdated article, so I kinda hope you can conjure up some info on the Topic.
I think the main reason Gaijin won't add any of the Japanese heavies is because a lot of the data that has been uncovered is spotty at best. No real proof exists that even a wooden mockup of the O-I exists. A lot of the specifications and blueprints are often exaggerated or just straight up faked. The only real proof we have is a few possibly fake blueprints, a few track links, and some supposed eye witness accounts of the tanks. Even if they tried to go off all the accurate or semi-accurate sources we have of the O-I, people would still complain it is inaccurate.
I assume there are enough real documents that proofs the existence of the O I. The problem is that people only believe in something if they see it. You have to wonder: "Do you really think, that Japan was able to built the Musashi and Yamato, but not the O I. Or would you believe, that the Char 2c existed if there were not any pictures of it?
For the armament, im pissed of the confusion there is about it, many says it was supposed to be a 150mm, others and more historical layout is to use the 105mm but because of cringe wargaming the confusion is even bigger Also it is said that the 105mm was a conversion of the 105mm Type 91 Howitzer/Field Gun, it was pretty successfull design and among historians one of the best pieces of artillery ever built This weapon could fire a 15kg He shells but among the type of shell it could fire the Armour Piercing, shrapnel and chemical shells acording to wikipedia (the only place i found actually talks about shell types) and with the shell calculation that War Thunder provides, i set up the data and i didnt had any info in the explosive mass (if we are talking about APHE) So if the shell was solid armour piercing and knowing the japanese, it would be also APCBC, the result would be 112.72mm of penetration Now with HE filler in it, the thing changes, and i would assume the values would be around 80 and 100mm of armour penetration
@@AuthenticKiwi . . . Theres a whole video up ⬆ there saying you are full of shit. Limited capability/ experience does not equal lack of it. Even by the end of the war with their country bomb to shite they aparently had enough capability to keep pumping a few new tanks.
My head really cringed each time you called the O-I tank "oh-eye" as it is "oh-ee". A little Japanese pronunciation tip for you: you only need to master their vowel sounds to be 70% close to real Japanese, and they are dead simple as they are very rigid. A sounds like "ah", unless an I or U goes right after (i.e. "ai" "au") which forms the sound "eye" and "ou" (as in out) respectively. E ALWAYS sounds like "ay" as in bay. I ALWAYS sounds like "ee" as in bee. O ALWAYS sounds like the short "o" as in orange unless followed by U which make it sound same as long "O" (as in oat) in english. (Although some romanized documents ignore the u making it impossible to discern - Tojo is one example) U sounds like "oo" as in boo. Unless preceded by Y (i.e. yu) which sounds like "you" Some examples: Abe (former Japanese PM): Ah-bay Tanku (tank): Tahn-koo Kamikaze: Kah-mee-kah-zay Ryudan (HE shell): L-you-dahn
@@Shay-li3zv Agreed. I actually hesitated quite a bit whether ay, eh or even short e (like egg) would be closest in English. I ended up choosing ay because I felt it has a heavier sound than "eh" to make it slightly eaiser to remember.
@@lol500000 To be fair, of those you said right you did fine, way better than many other RUclipsrs. However considering how rigid Japanese vowel sounds are but you seem to struggle especially with people's names, it suggested to me that you are pronouncing things via memorizing each vocab instead of a systematic approach, which makes you ill-prepared for new words. I left the tips because I knew you are the type who cares, and that is what drew me to your channel in the first place :)
Yep! Wargaming made up tanks or putting guns on tanks that weren’t ever meant or planned to have that gun. Also BDR G1B which is BDR G1 hull with FCM F1 turret. Totally wouldn’t have worked. Same with the 59 Patton.
How much you wanna bet one of the lost tanks are just sitting behind a bush somewhere
God dammit its probably not even properly covered and just sticking out from both sides and avobe a comically small shrub.
I mean the t28 heavy (usa) was found in a bush
Or at the bottom of a lake acting as a reef lol
Im so happy you've done a video on Japanese tanks. I love Japanese tanks because they're relatively unknown, so its nice to see a video on this.
Such a great, informative vid, you can feel the heart, soul, dedication and time going into this just for it to get next to no views and that's infuriating. And it's not because people didn't want to watch it, it just never came up on anyone's recommended and the topic is way too obscure for someone to just search for it via the search bar. It's absolutely sad to know that the man behind this vid is gone and there won't be another one. RIP 2and900.
I second that. RIP, Yor Kaur.
It’s sad RUclips didn’t recommend his videos much. Even with notifications on I was rarely notified of his uploads and never saw them in my recommended. He really put so much effort into this channel
I'm really sad this gent's videos never popped up in my suggestions. Should have come up with spookston and potential history. Bad job RUclips 😔
I would immediatly grind the Japenese Tree if they got the O-I lol
We probably have enough info on the O-I to add it to game, not of the other heavies tho, would probably end up a premium or event tank.
@@lol500000 Just sadly realised that now :(.
@@blackkai1238 bets on they pulling a fast one like with the ho-ri and making two out of one.
@@lol500000 when did the O-I docs get released by the modeling company
@@lol500000 Of course gaijin would make it an event vehicle. The smell of potential money drives them crazy
Thank you for this brother.
I hope you found your peace on the other side
Amazing work. I watched the whole video and even paused a few times to read the details :) - Keep it going.
28:20 but russians did just that with the Char 2C . They had the very last one and in their hands it vanished although it was likely scrapped
On a different note, I recall seeing a picture of 2 soviets standing in front of a very weird unique japanese tank. I can't recall what to google
Issue is we don't know if it was a Japanese tank or not
The image you're referring to is just of a turret emplacement at Koto Fortress. They had a few of those with varying size and armament in the fortress.
We miss and love you man
Loved the vid, you're very underrated. Hope to see more in the future!
Got some bad news on that front, buddy.
He won't be making anymore videos.
@@aussie870 why?
@@user-op8fg3ny3j He committed suicide on about the same day my last comment was posted.
@@user-op8fg3ny3j because 2and900 killed himself
@@user-op8fg3ny3j
Unfortunately he ended his own life. It will be a year since then in about 2 weeks. Life was tough for the poor guy and he never got the recognition he deserved.
Talk about that German round ball tank thing that was found in Manchuria
Considering Japan pretty much burned a load of documentation of everything, including their nuclear program that is fraught with conspiracy, Japan also went to great length to destroy a lot of their stuff overseas or hide it.
One has to realise that Japan did not just become a nuclear state through US aid, they had scientists, engineers from before the war that were well versed in nuclear subjects, and most of Japanese heavy tanks were designated to be used in Manchuria thats why they were developed in the first place, its safe to assume all their heavy tanks were sent to Manchu, and fought, Soviet reports also state Japan did have some very large tanks that fought against Soviet tanks, and Chinese military reports further reinforces the notion of Japanese heavy tanks as Chinese could not identify these tanks as Chi Ha or Ha Go most common type found in China.
A lot of Japanese armour were captured and later scrapped by China, would not be unthinkable to scrap Japanese heavy tanks as they were few and contained a lot of precious resources at the time China lacked a lot of.
I'm pretty sure those documents that wargaming released was probably some sort of fanfiction to boost the hype of the release of the Japanese heavy tank line witch consists of: Type 91, Type 95, O-I Experimental, O-I, O-Ni, O-Ho, Type 4 Heavy and The Type 5 Heavy. (In that order)
A mix of proper steel with paper wooden, and fabricated rumors trown in between.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if these were real, because we don't know much about the world war 2 in Asia, so i do belive having some vehicles that serve, were used in combat and lost in combat, without us even knowing about it's existence.
Japans tech tree needs them honestly, it be so cool to see Japanese super heavy’s in wt
Is it possible we'll see a video on the Ferdinand Looking Ji-ro (105mm)? The one that has no photographic evidence but has lots of blueprints and papers saying it existed.
No
24:13 Well I was not expecting to see my 1:30 scale Lego O-I set in a video like this xD
The medal shown at 31:17 is a Type 92 Tankette with the earlier suspension & hull mounted 13mm machine gun
No there was a photo of the back side It said ‘2nd Tank Regiment, Armored Car Unit.
Showa 10 [1935] December 1. 100 Million Hearts United.’ He just didn’t show it idk why
@@onemax7846 Well, considering that officially the Type 92 was referred to as an armoured car for political reasons... everything about the silhouette lines up.
I always enjoy indepth videos to see if I've missed anything in my notes but.
10:50 - The chart (if original, I've tripped over it too a few times) cannot be from the "early 30s" when the M4 Sherman, M7 HMC and Ram are on it as those are from the 40s.
12:15 - The Ishe-108 is a debated topic with a common theory being that it, as a matter of fact, a japanese report about the Vicker A1E1, which in turn were counter reported as if the japanese had made a version of their own. Some other youtuber (think it was Cone of Arc) argues this is why we only ever see the drawing with the turret pointed towards the viewer, even in the side profile.
15:20 - You swapped the units around by accident mate.
I really liked this video.
And tank history in the middle east, us land ships, or the chinese navy? i would love to hear about all of those!
Great stuff Yor. I'm looking forward to more content like this!
Excellent! Thank you.
I hope you’re living well in the afterlife ❤
Tanks in the middle east would be cool cause T-55/Type-69 enigma are massivly based
I would REALLY like seeing these tanks in war Thunder. I love the idea of a twin-37mm landship cruising down Poland or Abandoned Factory
Just watching this and worked out the key flaw in the Mitsu-104, only having a trench crossing of 3.9mm meant it would have had severe difficulties in off road manoeuvrability.
Yes I know it's probably a typo.
This video was made with the help of BlackSmith38 who did most of the editing, thanks!
You can pick up a copy of the Book used for research here: amzn.to/2UrOWBu
And you can read about the O-I as well as other odd Japanese projects on Seon's blog: sensha-manual.blogspot.com/
A few extra things
Japan bought a Tiger and Panther form Germany, Could be counted as Heavy tanks but they are foreign.
The "Heavy Medium, M104" also shows up in a report from 1944 under the name "Heavy Tank Type 97", Drawing is the same as on the poster at 10:20, you can read that here: dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/4009934/9
-Also on the poster I say I think it is from the early 30s, I meant early 40s
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
0:39 Japan's First Tanks
4:30 Tanks Forgotten From History
20:02 The O-I And The Fakes
30:16 More Mysteries and Outro
33:06 Bonus News
Also Happy 4th Of July!
the medal (31-16-29) depicts a light tank type 92
It's hard to say goodbye.
What happened?
@@Tupolev.114 He offed himself
@@Centreus Yeah, I just checked what happened. It truly is hard to say goodbye
REST IN PEACE
If they make a Japanese heavy tank tree it should end in the type 10 that would be funny I think.
Great video!
The Chi To…..
I just had to laugh at that one.
Releasing a Japanese Heavy Tank vid on Independence Day… SMH!
Kinda jk, nice vid!
Was supposed to come out Saturday but there where some complications
One possibility for the 2 man tank carrying 30 boxes of ammo is a re-supply version. Also, several tanks had cogged front idlers. Possibly it had central cogs and in the attempt to draw a dual cogged rear drive sprocket like most tanks have, he drew it like a kid draws all four legs of a dog underneath it in a side view as anything else is an engineering nightmare. The Japanese built the heaviest battleships of all time and were capable industrially of any of this. Decentralized development would produce weird results and they were certainly influenced by Hitlers ideologies and were apparently supplied with vastly superior engines from them. Mabey it was an attempt to speed development of one of Hitlers horrible supertank ideas to be shared without using german production, development and materials. Many in Germany probably wanted Hitler to see them fail as they knew was inevitable but in the hands of the Japanese. Remember, They were shipping them nuclear materials to develop atomic bombs as well!
Great video about a very obscure topic. I wish Japanese archives were more open, but eh. For a new video idea: Japanese heavy tank destroyers. Mai's website, has one outdated article, so I kinda hope you can conjure up some info on the Topic.
If you want help for french tanks ... anything ... many weeld lite ... or french super heavy ... so many unknown tanks !
You know where to find me XP
People thought Waffentragger died because she made a post about having a heart condition and that her doctor told her she might die in childbirth.
Or how another story goes after faking the design of the Ho Ri tanks that are modelled in WT, was forced to leave
Wish Gaijin would add an April's fool event with paper tanks and include all of these japanese heavies
Grigoriev is a last name.
I think the main reason Gaijin won't add any of the Japanese heavies is because a lot of the data that has been uncovered is spotty at best. No real proof exists that even a wooden mockup of the O-I exists. A lot of the specifications and blueprints are often exaggerated or just straight up faked. The only real proof we have is a few possibly fake blueprints, a few track links, and some supposed eye witness accounts of the tanks. Even if they tried to go off all the accurate or semi-accurate sources we have of the O-I, people would still complain it is inaccurate.
I assume there are enough real documents that proofs the existence of the O I. The problem is that people only believe in something if they see it. You have to wonder: "Do you really think, that Japan was able to built the Musashi and Yamato, but not the O I. Or would you believe, that the Char 2c existed if there were not any pictures of it?
This sucks ass. he made such great content on niche subjects such as this that no one else makes now. we miss you man
For the armament, im pissed of the confusion there is about it, many says it was supposed to be a 150mm, others and more historical layout is to use the 105mm but because of cringe wargaming the confusion is even bigger
Also it is said that the 105mm was a conversion of the 105mm Type 91 Howitzer/Field Gun, it was pretty successfull design and among historians one of the best pieces of artillery ever built
This weapon could fire a 15kg He shells but among the type of shell it could fire the Armour Piercing, shrapnel and chemical shells acording to wikipedia (the only place i found actually talks about shell types) and with the shell calculation that War Thunder provides, i set up the data and i didnt had any info in the explosive mass (if we are talking about APHE)
So if the shell was solid armour piercing and knowing the japanese, it would be also APCBC, the result would be 112.72mm of penetration
Now with HE filler in it, the thing changes, and i would assume the values would be around 80 and 100mm of armour penetration
@5:00 Mister Lister the Sister Fister?
I hope not
Mr lister the sister fister and listers sister the fister resister
Hey hey hey
Hay
So this is what happens when you don't have the industrial capabilities to make tanks
Monsters.
Too early too quick to judge... Consifering everyone but the u.s ended up cooking very similar multiturret paper thin giants.
@@rocket_sensha4337 They still didn't have the industry
@@AuthenticKiwi Where do you think the type 90 came from?
@@AuthenticKiwi . . . Theres a whole video up ⬆ there saying you are full of shit.
Limited capability/ experience does not equal lack of it. Even by the end of the war with their country bomb to shite they aparently had enough capability to keep pumping a few new tanks.
@@axeavier a japanese factory line
Calm mind brings inner strength and self-confidence, so that's very important for good health
Y E S
this video: "mentions about the forgotten japanese heavy tanks"
world of tanks: japanese tanks really existed! we will ad these tanks in the game!
My head really cringed each time you called the O-I tank "oh-eye" as it is "oh-ee".
A little Japanese pronunciation tip for you: you only need to master their vowel sounds to be 70% close to real Japanese, and they are dead simple as they are very rigid.
A sounds like "ah", unless an I or U goes right after (i.e. "ai" "au") which forms the sound "eye" and "ou" (as in out) respectively.
E ALWAYS sounds like "ay" as in bay.
I ALWAYS sounds like "ee" as in bee.
O ALWAYS sounds like the short "o" as in orange unless followed by U which make it sound same as long "O" (as in oat) in english. (Although some romanized documents ignore the u making it impossible to discern - Tojo is one example)
U sounds like "oo" as in boo. Unless preceded by Y (i.e. yu) which sounds like "you"
Some examples:
Abe (former Japanese PM): Ah-bay
Tanku (tank): Tahn-koo
Kamikaze: Kah-mee-kah-zay
Ryudan (HE shell): L-you-dahn
E is pronounced as eh, as in meh, actually. There are a few other mistakes, however they are all minor enough to make no decent difference.
@@Shay-li3zv Agreed.
I actually hesitated quite a bit whether ay, eh or even short e (like egg) would be closest in English. I ended up choosing ay because I felt it has a heavier sound than "eh" to make it slightly eaiser to remember.
I know, I've studied a bit of Japanese, I'm just really bad at pronouncing things
But thanks for the tips anyways
@@lol500000 To be fair, of those you said right you did fine, way better than many other RUclipsrs.
However considering how rigid Japanese vowel sounds are but you seem to struggle especially with people's names, it suggested to me that you are pronouncing things via memorizing each vocab instead of a systematic approach, which makes you ill-prepared for new words. I left the tips because I knew you are the type who cares, and that is what drew me to your channel in the first place :)
Kamikazi
Yep! Wargaming made up tanks or putting guns on tanks that weren’t ever meant or planned to have that gun. Also BDR G1B which is BDR G1 hull with FCM F1 turret. Totally wouldn’t have worked. Same with the 59 Patton.