Love it when the ump has the courage to just toss the pitcher when everyone knows it was intentional. Warnings just piss everyone off like 90% of the time, and someone almost inevitably gets thrown after the warnings anyways
I guess walking towards the mound while saying things to the pitcher is acceptable to the plate umpire. Maybe if something is done at that point the deadly ankle high pitch doesn't happen.
@@brianmullaney6237 sure, you can warn both benches after that, though that would be a bit extreme, which then means you have to eject both the pitcher and the head coach after the bean ball, instead of just the pitcher. Not sure that's better for anyone.
I disagree with the main premise of the video. It was the lack of a pitch clock that caused the whole issue in the Giants-Rockies game. If batter could just be told to stand in the box and be ready and not putz around, and the pitcher could just be told to get on the rubber and get ready to pitch without putzing around, the whole issue wouldn’t have come up. I also don’t agree that the ump has lost the ability to manage the game. Football and basketball have had play clocks for decades but that doesn’t stop the officials in those sports from conferencing with the coaches and captains of each team to get things under control when emotions are running hot.
I loved how the Vols Manager came out really mad and ready to argue (all out of the line of sight of the umpire), and as soon as he saw the pitcher was getting thrown out he just calmed down and pretended he was coming out onto the field to make sure the batter went to first peacefully.
Phenomenal video - whether you agree with the new pitch clock rules or not, this analysis is spot-on! Oh, and the ejection was completely warranted - especially since there was probably things said by the ump and the pitcher, catcher, and batter.
The other side of the coin though is to allow batters and pitchers to screw around, screw around, screw around, play head games for 10 minutes while one steps, out, calls time, steps off the rubber, walks around kissing his bat or talking to the ball or whatever the hell, screw around some more because "Imma make HIM wait" instead of just getting on with the physical game. The ones like Kyle Seager who used to hold his hand up for time for 5 minutes per pitch to screw with the pitcher and then the pitcher steps off, lather rinse repeat. I'm GLAD there is a pitch clock and they just need to finish working out all the guys trying to screw around with the pitch clock and then they can get on with playing the physical game rather than just trying to piss off the other guy, which ends up pissing off most of us who just want them to play the damned game. It's a great game until it becomes a damned game and sure, there are people that love the "delaying delaying delaying try to screw around with the other guy" crap but I doubt they're the majority. Most folks want to see the game in progress, not some sort of toddler "No I'll make YOU wait" contest between pitchers and batters.
So I realized my definition of beans (layer of fat underneath the skin) is different than yours... Intentional HBP, whatever language works best. The title is on a character limit and Bean Ball is shorter than Intentional HBP.
Quickpitch that isnt? So the Scherzer thing from a few days ago. I genuinely dont understand how in the world you can read the mlb rules, know how they teach umpires to call rules, and say Scherzer quick pitched. BECAUSE HE DIDN'T Using NCAA rules Scherzer did quick pitch, I agree to that sentiment, using MLB rules, which he plays under, he didnt. Lindsay, stop spreading the blatant misinformation. By the mlb rule, by the way they tell umps to call it, that wasnt a quick pitch.
the notion that "having time gives umpires another tool in their toolbox to manage the game" is better in theory than in practice because we see time and again that many don't. that stupid at bat with parra dancing back and forth before calling time is precisely WHY a pitch clock is good. that garbage is just utterly idiotic.
Didn't look like it which IMO, makes the toss unjustifiable. particularly offspeed into the ankle instead of gas to the earhole. This just seems like her excuse to gripe about the pitch clock.
@@alanhess9306 I agree…just seemed like he was a lil gassy and I think sometimes if a guy seems to be provoking someone you might be able to get out ahead of any type of conflict!
Are umpires not allowed to call time at all now? Surely if say a bug or some dust goes in the umpires eye and they can't call the pitch they can still call an "umpire's" time?
"Time" now is reserved for unique circumstances like those you mentioned. But because the batter is limited to one "time" request per at-bat and the pitcher is limited to two free disengagements per at-bat (referring to the 2023 mlb rule here), umpires are to refrain from "Time" calls that could unfairly advantage one team or the other.
quick pitch is not in the equation -- pitcher was ejected for throwing at the batter ... it's a simple game and a good call by the umpire.... plus its not the Pro's ...
By ignoring the “weird person” in the corner, I’ve come to the conclusion that this is just typical baseball. Nothing wrong with the first pitch, batter being whiny as Volunteers often do. The second pitch was intentional and the ump did what he needed to do. I do believe that you have to take into consideration that this game was a blowout. The pitcher had nothing to lose or gain by staying in the game so why the heck not throw at the guy. Verdict: Play Ball!
The only reason he threw inside was because of the batter…..if he hadn’t mouthed off, the pitch woulda never came inside. Let me ask you this, is 8-2 a blowout to you? Ever played the game? Now the umpire is going to take into account the score and let that play a part as to whether or not someone gets ejected? We don’t want to see umpires….we want them to be invisible, not consider if the game is un-winnable….ridiculous.
The umpire should have at least been courageous enough to issue a warning to the battery at the onset for taking steps towards the mound and initiating confrontation. He does that, highly likely the pitcher doesn't take it into his own hands
This pitch clock thing is gonna be a crap show across the board and this I think is one of the lesser known drawbacks of it, the potential for crap like this to keep festering instead of like you said, umps having the management tools to tone it down before it escalates.
Yet another example of Tennessee being the agressor and blowing things out of proportion. Correct call by the ump. Not excusing the pitcher's response. But, geez, get over yourselves Vols.
So the ump sees Tennessee getting chippy and rather than issue warnings, he ejects the zags player. watch the Tenn batter, at the ejection, he turns around almost assuming he got ejected for chirping, but then stares down and claps at the pitcher and stirs the pot by excessive clapping. For all of you claiming the ump acted professionally and balanced to shut down bad thoughts, I see an ump overly punishing the second guy after having done nothing at the first guy and effectively creating resentment on the Zags side while pumping up a Vols squad already known for causing issues.
That's not "unsportsmanship"! That's just baseball. And if he was a "good" umpire, IMO, whether he has to or not, after the first pitch he stops BOTH players where they stand and tells them both, where both dugouts can hear it, that's the end of it. No quick pitch, no retaliation, no griping or you'll both take a seat.
First, he's not a "good" umpire, he's an outstanding umpire. Not sure if you umpire or watch college baseball but things can quickly escalate between 18-23 year old young men who are in the middle of competition. Believe it or not, they don't always think or act rationally. And what do you want him to warn the pitcher for, not throwing a quick pitch? You also don't know what he may have said to the batter to get him back into the box. Once the pitcher hits the batter with an apparent intentional pitch, there is no choice but to eject. That will focus everyone's attention and in this case it shut down a potential ugly escalation.
Agreed. If these were kids, like high school and lower I could see it but at this level there needs to be more understanding and leniency. After all these are adults by definition of law. NCAA just over sensitizes everything nowadays. It’s the same concept of 15 year old junior hockey players being able to fight and not wear face protection but 21 year olds in NCAA hockey can’t fight and have to wear cages. NCAA needs to stop treating players like children.
@@DJTexan a portion of it is designed to keep players in the game and healthy. Nobody is making $20-$35M a year in college. Emphasis is to curb potential dugout scrums and with automatic suspensions attached to ejections, that is supposed to be a deterrent. I get it, it’s not the old school way of handling business but even up to the MLB level the owners want more in-game control. That’s why the rules and clocks were added in. 🤷🏻♂️
@@kirkluther1222 I've umpired youth ball. I attended my first college game at UTx my frosh year and saw Burt Hooton shut out somebody. 1969. I don't accept necessarily the notion of good umpire here having watched Randy Cristal and John Bible umpire college guys and NOT have this issue because the players understood well before the game who was in charge.
@@detroitrockcity8 maybe the owners don’t want it but the fans do. Clocks don’t really have anything to do with fighting or ejections. It’s just to speed up the game. Most injuries occur while playing not during fights and ejections. NCAA athletes get paid now, so it’s all the more reason to give them the freedom of emotions that they had in years past. No one wants to see a bunch of adults being babysat by the umpires. Like I said if this is high school and under I could see it but not at this level. NCAA needs to chill on safety and suspensions for all sports in general.
Bizarre to claim that the call is “correct by rule” in a “league that doesn’t like anything escalating unsportsmanlike wise” while completely ignoring the instigation/overreaction/escalation by the batter.
It's more that a minor spat that takes five seconds and doesn't escalate is better off shrugged off. Throwing at batters is dangerous and over the line. It's a game of picking battles and asking yourself as the umpire "if I intervene now, will it just make things worse?" Personally I think taking those few steps out and looking at both the batter and pitcher here was an excellent way to tell both of them, without speaking, that you know what's going on, you don't like it, let's get back to baseball. That way you're not taking sides or escalating anything out of proportion. Once the pitcher takes that next step and hits the batter, now you've got to take a side because if you don't it'll just get worse. So I get what you're saying, but focus on the "escalating" part of the unsportsmanlike mentality, minor things happen, don't let them turn major.
@@hippokrampus2838 Correct. The batter didn't do anything that rose to the level of being ejectable. Intentionally throwing a pitch at a batter is grounds for immediate ejection.
Anyone else "surprised" that this video once again involves Tennessee?
I just polled everyone and they said "no".
Love it when the ump has the courage to just toss the pitcher when everyone knows it was intentional. Warnings just piss everyone off like 90% of the time, and someone almost inevitably gets thrown after the warnings anyways
I guess walking towards the mound while saying things to the pitcher is acceptable to the plate umpire. Maybe if something is done at that point the deadly ankle high pitch doesn't happen.
@@brianmullaney6237 sure, you can warn both benches after that, though that would be a bit extreme, which then means you have to eject both the pitcher and the head coach after the bean ball, instead of just the pitcher.
Not sure that's better for anyone.
UMPS that foster that reputation most likely have lest picthers that bean batters.
Way too much? Nah, Never enough CCS teachable moments. This is going to be a great baseball season.
I disagree with the main premise of the video. It was the lack of a pitch clock that caused the whole issue in the Giants-Rockies game. If batter could just be told to stand in the box and be ready and not putz around, and the pitcher could just be told to get on the rubber and get ready to pitch without putzing around, the whole issue wouldn’t have come up.
I also don’t agree that the ump has lost the ability to manage the game. Football and basketball have had play clocks for decades but that doesn’t stop the officials in those sports from conferencing with the coaches and captains of each team to get things under control when emotions are running hot.
Fair points
I loved how the Vols Manager came out really mad and ready to argue (all out of the line of sight of the umpire), and as soon as he saw the pitcher was getting thrown out he just calmed down and pretended he was coming out onto the field to make sure the batter went to first peacefully.
Like anything else, the good umps will use the new clock to thier advantage. The bad umps and less than aware batters will not, and get caught!
Phenomenal video - whether you agree with the new pitch clock rules or not, this analysis is spot-on! Oh, and the ejection was completely warranted - especially since there was probably things said by the ump and the pitcher, catcher, and batter.
I thought a bean ball had to be around the shoulder or head area. I agree that it is an attempted hit-by-pitch though.
My bad. I checked Wikipedia, it was indicated that such a pitch only had to try to cause harm to be called a bean ball.
That's actually what I thought until now, on the basis that "bean" is slang for "head". The more you know.
Nice diffusion after the first pitch and the resulting one had obvious intent. Good handling all around by the plate umpire.
New NCAA rule does allow for the umpire to call time for legitimate reasons. i.e dust etc etc
The other side of the coin though is to allow batters and pitchers to screw around, screw around, screw around, play head games for 10 minutes while one steps, out, calls time, steps off the rubber, walks around kissing his bat or talking to the ball or whatever the hell, screw around some more because "Imma make HIM wait" instead of just getting on with the physical game. The ones like Kyle Seager who used to hold his hand up for time for 5 minutes per pitch to screw with the pitcher and then the pitcher steps off, lather rinse repeat. I'm GLAD there is a pitch clock and they just need to finish working out all the guys trying to screw around with the pitch clock and then they can get on with playing the physical game rather than just trying to piss off the other guy, which ends up pissing off most of us who just want them to play the damned game. It's a great game until it becomes a damned game and sure, there are people that love the "delaying delaying delaying try to screw around with the other guy" crap but I doubt they're the majority. Most folks want to see the game in progress, not some sort of toddler "No I'll make YOU wait" contest between pitchers and batters.
You work for the Ducks?
She’s their organist
That's rad. I was wondering how she had access to it, haha.
Happy to see you inherited the piano. :)
Who was the person that was crossed out in red when shown in the podcast video?
So I realized my definition of beans (layer of fat underneath the skin) is different than yours... Intentional HBP, whatever language works best. The title is on a character limit and Bean Ball is shorter than Intentional HBP.
What do you expect? Both players had the same number and were out to prove who wore it better.
We might want to update the graphic next time 😉 COG hasn't existed in quite some time. 🤫
Quickpitch that isnt? So the Scherzer thing from a few days ago. I genuinely dont understand how in the world you can read the mlb rules, know how they teach umpires to call rules, and say Scherzer quick pitched.
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T
Using NCAA rules Scherzer did quick pitch, I agree to that sentiment, using MLB rules, which he plays under, he didnt. Lindsay, stop spreading the blatant misinformation. By the mlb rule, by the way they tell umps to call it, that wasnt a quick pitch.
The pitch clock rule, i believe, will inevitably evolve into the batter cannot step out of the box at all once the at bat begins
Simple rule >> two feet in the batter box >> No timeouts, no back step >> GAME ON, Pitch it !!
the notion that "having time gives umpires another tool in their toolbox to manage the game" is better in theory than in practice because we see time and again that many don't.
that stupid at bat with parra dancing back and forth before calling time is precisely WHY a pitch clock is good. that garbage is just utterly idiotic.
.The clock is going to keep them all on their toes. No more lollygagging around.
Play Ball!
I wonder if NCAA will develop the rule MLB has, where all of the umpires will have to talk before warning the benches or throwing out pitchers.
Nicely done Brian!
No one mentioned that the Bases were Loaded.....I've seen Batters step in & Step out to rattle the Pitcher...=)
Bases were empty.
I couldn’t tell did the umpire say something to the batter after his reaction to the perceived quick pitch?
Didn't look like it which IMO, makes the toss unjustifiable. particularly offspeed into the ankle instead of gas to the earhole. This just seems like her excuse to gripe about the pitch clock.
@@jamesoliver6625 How does the umpire talking to the batter make a difference? Intentionally throwing at a batter is grounds for immediate ejection.
@@alanhess9306 I agree…just seemed like he was a lil gassy and I think sometimes if a guy seems to be provoking someone you might be able to get out ahead of any type of conflict!
@@jamesoliver6625 rules demand that if a pitcher intentionally hits the batter with a pitch they gotta go. So no.
@@TeemoQuinton And IMO that wasn't and INTENTIONAL HBP so the umpire overreacted
Fascinating video. On a random note, never heard it referred to as "NC Two A" before. Only "NCAA" Or "NC Double A".
Yeah, it's just a little poking fun at the different ways it's said
MLB needs to change the rule back to where if it looks obvious, they can eject the pitcher right away.
With NCAA, do they have the rule, where you get ejected you have a 1 game suspension? Or are you good for the next game?
Yep, sho do.
Are umpires not allowed to call time at all now? Surely if say a bug or some dust goes in the umpires eye and they can't call the pitch they can still call an "umpire's" time?
"Time" now is reserved for unique circumstances like those you mentioned. But because the batter is limited to one "time" request per at-bat and the pitcher is limited to two free disengagements per at-bat (referring to the 2023 mlb rule here), umpires are to refrain from "Time" calls that could unfairly advantage one team or the other.
And that's AT LEAST a four-game suspension.
quick pitch is not in the equation -- pitcher was ejected for throwing at the batter ... it's a simple game and a good call by the umpire.... plus its not the Pro's ...
If you nowadays intentionally throw directly at a batter 90 percent of the time will get STRAIGHT RED CARDED
Should have given a warning to both teams after the verbal altercation. This would have possibly prevented the ejection.
I would have given an ejection AND warned both teams simultaneously.
@@AEMoreira81you would have given an ejection just for the verbal altercation? (we're talking about the one before the HBP)
Verbal altercation? The batter says something, we arent even sure the pitcher bothered to say anything back. That’s not a verbal altercation.
Beanball in the ankle? What is a bean again?
By ignoring the “weird person” in the corner, I’ve come to the conclusion that this is just typical baseball. Nothing wrong with the first pitch, batter being whiny as Volunteers often do. The second pitch was intentional and the ump did what he needed to do. I do believe that you have to take into consideration that this game was a blowout. The pitcher had nothing to lose or gain by staying in the game so why the heck not throw at the guy.
Verdict: Play Ball!
The only reason he threw inside was because of the batter…..if he hadn’t mouthed off, the pitch woulda never came inside. Let me ask you this, is 8-2 a blowout to you? Ever played the game? Now the umpire is going to take into account the score and let that play a part as to whether or not someone gets ejected? We don’t want to see umpires….we want them to be invisible, not consider if the game is un-winnable….ridiculous.
Yes it is a blowout. It’s Tennessee vs Gonzaga.
Pitcher never flinched or held yo hands as to ask why
The umpire should have at least been courageous enough to issue a warning to the battery at the onset for taking steps towards the mound and initiating confrontation. He does that, highly likely the pitcher doesn't take it into his own hands
This pitch clock thing is gonna be a crap show across the board and this I think is one of the lesser known drawbacks of it, the potential for crap like this to keep festering instead of like you said, umps having the management tools to tone it down before it escalates.
The Johnny Cueto nonsense happened BECAUSE there was no pitch clock. That's what allowed all the back and forth nonsense
Thrown out for hitting a guy on the heel ?!?!?
Intentionally a hitting dude with a pitch, no matter where, is an automatic ejection. Are you saying this wasnt intentional?
Yet another example of Tennessee being the agressor and blowing things out of proportion. Correct call by the ump. Not excusing the pitcher's response. But, geez, get over yourselves Vols.
So the ump sees Tennessee getting chippy and rather than issue warnings, he ejects the zags player. watch the Tenn batter, at the ejection, he turns around almost assuming he got ejected for chirping, but then stares down and claps at the pitcher and stirs the pot by excessive clapping. For all of you claiming the ump acted professionally and balanced to shut down bad thoughts, I see an ump overly punishing the second guy after having done nothing at the first guy and effectively creating resentment on the Zags side while pumping up a Vols squad already known for causing issues.
The pitch clock will make the game much better. The players won’t be able to screw around and cause nonsense like this.
Today Baseball sucks@@
That's not "unsportsmanship"! That's just baseball. And if he was a "good" umpire, IMO, whether he has to or not, after the first pitch he stops BOTH players where they stand and tells them both, where both dugouts can hear it, that's the end of it. No quick pitch, no retaliation, no griping or you'll both take a seat.
First, he's not a "good" umpire, he's an outstanding umpire. Not sure if you umpire or watch college baseball but things can quickly escalate between 18-23 year old young men who are in the middle of competition. Believe it or not, they don't always think or act rationally. And what do you want him to warn the pitcher for, not throwing a quick pitch? You also don't know what he may have said to the batter to get him back into the box. Once the pitcher hits the batter with an apparent intentional pitch, there is no choice but to eject. That will focus everyone's attention and in this case it shut down a potential ugly escalation.
Agreed. If these were kids, like high school and lower I could see it but at this level there needs to be more understanding and leniency. After all these are adults by definition of law. NCAA just over sensitizes everything nowadays. It’s the same concept of 15 year old junior hockey players being able to fight and not wear face protection but 21 year olds in NCAA hockey can’t fight and have to wear cages. NCAA needs to stop treating players like children.
@@DJTexan a portion of it is designed to keep players in the game and healthy. Nobody is making $20-$35M a year in college. Emphasis is to curb potential dugout scrums and with automatic suspensions attached to ejections, that is supposed to be a deterrent. I get it, it’s not the old school way of handling business but even up to the MLB level the owners want more in-game control. That’s why the rules and clocks were added in. 🤷🏻♂️
@@kirkluther1222 I've umpired youth ball. I attended my first college game at UTx my frosh year and saw Burt Hooton shut out somebody. 1969. I don't accept necessarily the notion of good umpire here having watched Randy Cristal and John Bible umpire college guys and NOT have this issue because the players understood well before the game who was in charge.
@@detroitrockcity8 maybe the owners don’t want it but the fans do. Clocks don’t really have anything to do with fighting or ejections. It’s just to speed up the game. Most injuries occur while playing not during fights and ejections. NCAA athletes get paid now, so it’s all the more reason to give them the freedom of emotions that they had in years past. No one wants to see a bunch of adults being babysat by the umpires. Like I said if this is high school and under I could see it but not at this level. NCAA needs to chill on safety and suspensions for all sports in general.
The pitch clock sucks!
PITCH CLOCK FOR PRESIDENT
Very insightful comment, clothahump1
@@TeemoQuinton Thank you!!
@@Clothahump1 bro it was sarcasm
@@TeemoQuinton Mine wasn't.
Bizarre to claim that the call is “correct by rule” in a “league that doesn’t like anything escalating unsportsmanlike wise” while completely ignoring the instigation/overreaction/escalation by the batter.
It's more that a minor spat that takes five seconds and doesn't escalate is better off shrugged off. Throwing at batters is dangerous and over the line. It's a game of picking battles and asking yourself as the umpire "if I intervene now, will it just make things worse?"
Personally I think taking those few steps out and looking at both the batter and pitcher here was an excellent way to tell both of them, without speaking, that you know what's going on, you don't like it, let's get back to baseball. That way you're not taking sides or escalating anything out of proportion. Once the pitcher takes that next step and hits the batter, now you've got to take a side because if you don't it'll just get worse. So I get what you're saying, but focus on the "escalating" part of the unsportsmanlike mentality, minor things happen, don't let them turn major.
@@hippokrampus2838 Correct. The batter didn't do anything that rose to the level of being ejectable. Intentionally throwing a pitch at a batter is grounds for immediate ejection.
Good call Brian
Wb Lynn. baseball season has begun :)