An absolute circus of a system and no mistake! As you said, the worst annoyance is the huge dual standard of developers being able to build housing that detrimentally affects the area but an individual cannot build a small and unobtrusive home on their own land.
@@meljen8592 not really, developers can establish need for housing due to the chronic housing shortage in the UK and individuals cannot,to get change of use for agricultural to residential you have to prove lawfull need and developers already have that,its really that simple.
@@joygallavan6790except these developments are being increasingly built in sensitive areas, with sketchy impact assessments, and if we're in a housing crisis then government can make it legal overnight for me to have a small cabin on my land or back garden
Also the totally ridiculous situation that it's much easier to put a load of airbnbs on your land than it it for a house to live in - even if the airbnb is occupied 365 days per year. Loads of wealthy people with land have done this around us.
We bought a corner house, on a largish estate, with the sole intention of extending, I designed the extension to blend in, look like it had always been there. The council wanted us to make changes which would ruin the looks and the internal layout. I got the planning officer around for a site visit. I took her for a walk around the estate, pointed out all the properties which set a precedent, I also pointed out all the properties which looked hideous because the extensions didn't blend in. Within two days I had my planning permission as I had designed it. As with everything in this country you need to know how to work the system.
I quit the UK for eastern Europe, here you can live on your own land. You can buy 1 ha of land for as little as £5000, property taxes are 5% of that charged in the UK. You can easily live an off grid lifestyle far cheaper and safer than being in the UK.
well done to you, I would love to do that but what puts me off is being a foreigner who doesnt speak the language. It would have to be when I 'retire' also because I don't do an internet based job. Do you think there are enough Brits or other English speakers there to make a 'community'?
So many people want to get off the matrix, can't blame them, if I had the means I would. I've a few years till retirement then will have to line my ducks up and see which way I want to go.
We're all running away while "they" parasite off us. Maybe it's time.to stop running. We work hard!!! We deserve a 3 bed house to raise a family and it shouldn't be this hard. Time to stand up and say enough is enough! Who's to blame? US for putting up with it!!!!!
You are completely right Fraser It is completely unfair that it is down to whether they like you or not, shouldnt be that way it should be a fair process for all.
I know a Freemason in Somerset who buys tiny plots of agricultural land and always gets planning permission to build a house or two. I am not going to say he gets permission because the head of building control is also a Freemason.
Totally agree with what you say. Have you studied the John Nix handbook? You can even rent the livestock from a local farmer in order to get planning permission. Most councils cannot object to these guidelines.
I love the first Line…. If they don’t like you you won’t get on! sooo truee!! 😂 get your agri qualifications yes easiest way 👌 and stay away from leasehold 🌚🤦🏻
Excellent advice and just the way i would do it if i find woodland to buy. Slowly and quietly bit by bit get the locals used to the land being worked and improved.
I've just come across your channel. Really interesting. We're Brits living off grid in SW France but a lot of your challenges resonate with us. Planning permission is a nightmare and the government seem a little suspicious of anyone who is trying to live what they see as an 'alternative lifestyle'. I guess they view us as a bunch of hippies not wanting to contribute to society (even though the off grid movement in France is huge, and growing). Keep up the good work, keep the videos coming and most importantly, keep the faith!
Here in the states, we are given a warranty deed when we buy land. This binds us to the municipalities jurisdiction. However, we can request from the Bureau of Land Management a certified copy of the letters patent for our lands Metes and Bounds. After collating the relevant sales history combined with the Land Patent we can post it on a public bulletin board such as a town hall or library for 60 days plus one. At the end of the 61 days we take it to the county recorders office so it can be recorded as our land thereby, nullifying the warranty deed. At this point we are forever free to do what we will with our land without planning permission, permits, inspections, codes and ordinances. And this without reprisal.
Another very informative vid Fraser. From what I’ve read, the removal of the 4 yr and 1 day rule is part of the Levelling Up and Regeneration Bill. Words copied from there read: ‘’Whilst certain items within the LURA took immediate effect, this is not the case for the 4 year rule provisions. This means that although the LURA is now adopted, the 4 year rule is sticking around for the time being. All we know is what the LURA tells us. Specifically, that the 4 year rule will be swapped for the 10 year rule “on such day as the Secretary of State may by regulations appoint”. In plain English? This just means the 4 year rule will be cancelled on a future date to be decided by the Secretary of State. The Secretary of State will publish a secondary item of legislation which will officially declare the date of its cancellation.’’ I’ll email you some information 👍 Cheers Paul
My neighbour has just got permission to build three houses in his garden . The local farmer has built vast buildings for indoor boot sales and has artics delivering good there and basically running out of it and it’s a 7.5ton country road . John bloor has been granted permission to build over a thousand houses in a field quarter of a mile away or less . But I got turned down for a 2mx4m porch 🤦♂️
Well said! If only people realised how much we have all been cheated since the day we got a birth certificate. All the best to you and your family in 2024 and beyond.
The real way to beat the planners is to buy a house or land with existing planning permission. It's playing by rules very expensive but stress free in terms of the uncertainty and capricious nature of the planning system. Property exists in rural Scotland for a fraction of the price of land in England Learn a trade that can be done remotely or transferable to the local economy, save up your deposit and away you go. I believe planning laws need to be reformed as they are heavily weighted to the wealthy and corporate. We should all be able to live on our own land but what I suggest is the real long game with a 30 year mortgage but greater freedom
It's illegal to have 'no fixed address' in the UK. Think about it: The government isn't getting as much tax as a house generates. Private firms aren't getting your utility payments, who's policy is decided via the government - who also likely profits from your money. The government can't threaten you into submission; they can't take your shelter. The mortgage business; banks, solicitors, estate agents. All missing out on your 20+ year debt from being priviledged to own a home. A lot of sectors and people miss out on a lot of money, from you not 'buying' a house. Plus - this is the kicker - if you're not needing to work as much, or earn as much, to pay your mortgage off, then the country misses out on your taxable income. This is why governments don't want you 'un-shackled'.
@@BandiMasha They don't. In 2020 iirc, the law was changed to make trespass, from a civil law, to a criminal law. Consider that virtually all land in England is owned, you're essentially commiting a crime by pitching up anwhere you don't own.
Until the house prices are valued at what it cost to build +materials + cost of land the planning department will try and stop people from making a fast buck in their eyes and the people who paid for rural exclusivity will be resentful where I am in East Sussex new money wants to live rural and get on the train to London they do not want anyone without their value system living next door
@@utubeape they despise the peasantry so much and those films about hippy communes having orgies wailing through the valley all night long isn't what the rich want to hear , they do that sort of thing in the dungeon below their home or go to a private club
Councils are corporations and rely on you accepting that they have the right to grant or refuse permission thereby making a contract between you. I built a cabin on my land 8 years ago and responded to all their communications by asking for a contract showing their authority over me. This method also works to stop council tax demands and many other scams. Make sure you have read all their rules and watched every video you can and digest all the information before you go down this route. Richard Vobes has a load of information on his channel.
Most local councils are a clown show! They have no real personal power or position in life so they get off on trying to control your life with ridiculous red tape and BS!!
Thank you - this is very good practical advice. Instead of having these giant copy-paste housing estates, it would be good to see the infrastructure put in, then people having plots to work or manage or build how they like. Local people could get priority and discounts, and loans or help with building materials. But the councils work for themselves and their donors, rather than for you as a taxpayer. The way things work in the UK is absolutely rotten. I have extended family out in the West Country who built a cow barn, then after a few years (and during lockdown) they built walls around it, insulated it, and now they have a lovely family home next to the grandparents. They did well and it's now a proper dwelling. Life shouldn't be as hard as it is for many people. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you. This is my first time seeing this channel. Just starting myself. Money is in the bank but hard finding a nice spot I can get away with this stuff on.
What a country we living in ? Shouldn’t be bother anyone what are you building on your land .Otherwise it’s hard to call ,, my land,, . I know i know it’s the law . Someone set the law for some reason- to breake it 😂
Uk , very strict planning laws here ! Unless you’re a developer and want to put up 500 houses . We can’t even put a caravan / motor home with out planning unless there’s a president ( previous dwelling )
Agricultural land in the UK is protected ,to live on it you have to get change of use to residential,for that you have to prove a lawfull reason why your need to live on that land overrides the UK economic need to have that land as agricultural thats why its so hard,an agricultural business will maintain the economic status of the land but there are not many agricultural businesses which demand you live on site,large building companies building at scale will come under established need due to the chronic housing shortage in the UK but an individual cannot,it all seems so arbitary when looked at from the outside but it is 100% down to the Town and Country Planning Act,any body trying to live on agricultural land needs to know this act inside out which is near impossible so the only way really is getting a planning agent.
Yet a developer can come in and demolish hedgerows and concrete over the fields, land that can never be converted back to agriculture, vs. a small dwelling in a field
@@LaughingMan44 developers have already established need due to the massive housing shortage we have,its not about it being able to be changed back to agricultural land its about establishing a lawfull reason for it to have change of use from agricultural land to residential land,all land in the Uk, if you want to live on it has to have residential planning,you are not allowed to live on agricultural land unless you can establish lawfull need and nearly all individual need is classed as "want" in UK law so doesn't stand a chance of getting change of use planning
@@joygallavan6790 If this was about housing, they'd grant people planning permission to put their children/parents in their back garden or on their property, or house themselves on what was previously agricultural land, so your excuses make 0 sense. Unless you're being incredibly pedantic and obsessing over "the law" as a means of justifying the current state of affairs
@@LaughingMan44 Im not obsessing over the law Im explaining how the system works,you have to understand planning law and the ideology behind it to even think about trying to do anything remotely "none conformist." BTW I live off grid in a cabin in the woods with no planning permission and almost no chance of getting it,the only chance people have to do what I have done is have an in depth knowledge of planning law ,my own personal feelings about planning law and random ramblings about what I think should be done ultimately help no one,land is used as a means of control to stop the majority gaining any power, but knowledge is power
@@joygallavan6790 Hi, I was just reading your comments and wondered do you have any advice/ know any forums (UK) to get started. I have started reading into land law but really need to understand the pit holes with purchasing either agricultural land or woodland in the UK more specifically the SW. Thanks :)
Planning is extremely difficult right now especially in my area which is Bristol, Somerset and Wiltshire. They almost just want to waste your time. My suggestion would be do it in such a way that you don’t require planning.
I remember watching a guy who did it by building his house on stilts on a land that he used to make charcoal for his business. Because it was built on stilts it wasnt classed as permanent dwelling. They couldnt touch him. It took him a few years and he had to show that he needed to be there all hours of the day. So the council said as long as the living arrangements weren't permanent (concreted in) he could live there but when he decided to leave he woukdnt be able to sell it as land with a home.
wouldn't work now .Most land is agricultural to stay on it for more than 28 days a year,no matter what your in,tent,house on stilts or cabin ect you need change of use to residential,this is almost impossible to get as there is always a presumtion of refusal unless a lawfull need is established,charcoal burning used to be a lawfull need but now also carries a presumption of refusal for change of use. The "permanent dwelling" rule is many decades out of date.
Or, like a bird, migrate where is “better” for you and family .. after all, life is indeed a mystery and we don’t know how long we’ve got. A country that welcomes you, a cheaper alternative, perhaps better weather ☀️ .. Thank you for sharing 🙏🏻
Problem Ive got and I’m sure many have the same issue: I have. House with a mortgage, I would need to sell the house to buy the land but would have to live on it straight away as the house would have gone.
Hi there, super useful video - I was wondering do you or anyone else know whats the difference in rules when it comes to woodland? And does size play a factor? Thanks! :)
Interesting view. Thing is you need planning laws. And once you have laws you will get people trying to get round those laws. So as usual they have to be ambiguous and open to interpretation.
ASHP's do work in the cold, after all, they are ubiquitous in the Scandinavian countries and it gets pretty cold over there. I personally have an ASHP, retrofitted in 2021, and it's lovely and comfortable.
They only work if the house is as air tight and well insulated as Scandinavian homes. Most British buildings are not built to these levels as they are old and leaky. Hence heat pumps don’t work here. 🤦🏼♂️
@MrMonero mine is a 1970's 4 bed detached house with a floating wooden floor. I have improved insulation and double glazing. A heat loss calculation was performed as the system designed around my house. It's really a simple calculation, can enough heat be added to raise the internal temperature to the required level and cope with the heat loss. The amount of insulation etc determines how much the heating system will cost to run be it ASHP, gas or oil etc.
I sympathise, having dealt with Planning officers for over 4 decades. They do make it personal which is wrong. I also, sadly, agree that it is easier to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Many owners/builders are not gaining permission now, and that is The Councils` fault. PO`s premise should be `how can we approve this` not `how can we refuse this`. The Planning system needs shaking up, and maybe Labour will do this - we will have to see?. I would suggest only apply for a LDC following any Enforcement, so not to risk refusal, sad but true.
We have 1/3 rd of an acre in Hampshire. Applied for permission for a log cabin, jumped through every hoop to the letter. Spent 11k and was still refused..some of the objections were extremely personal and very hurtful, so many Nimbys .... im afraid our next move is ... move on and see what happens.. they cant hang us.
Travellers seem to be left alone by the councils and eventually get planning on land! This is very common in the London home counties. If the council want to build a housing estate on agricultural land, they would just do it without any consultation from the locals. They would rubber stamp it regardless. And if you do by land, make sure its not next to a Karen 😁 The whole system is corrupt.
you have to understand the planning act,to live on agricultural land you have to establish need,this need has to be lawfull,so running an agricultural business which demands you have to live on site,not many reasons,for example trees dont need 24 hr looking after,I think now only a stud farm will give residential rights,but due to the Uk wide housing shortage building companies building at scale can identify need ,that cannot be used on a individual level as there is always 1 spare house to rent or buy,because there is also a massive shortage of places for travellers which the government is breaking its own laws on then travellers also can automatically establish need.Its very much to do with the wording of the planning act.
so if i got 3.5 acres, put 2 40ft container home/holiday home on it and a post box and had some letters go there for 4 years then i could go live there. 4 yrs +1 day.
Permission, f asking for permission on your own land. Legislation requires consent! Most people don’t believe this, but I assure you it does require consent, I’m getting out of the matrix, protecting my assets with private trusts, I’ve served the company that calls themselves the government Baron David Wards affidavit and they still haven’t been able to rebut it since 2015! I no longer pay water, gas and electric because it’s pre paid from our tax money 100x over! I no longer pay tax as the ‘government’ cannot provide the signed contract!
@@sadie2506 Just hire a planning consultant local to where you are wanting planning permission. A local is more likely to know what turns ons/offs the local committee has than a national company.
Off grid living much better For the planet and peoples mental health meanwhile developers can pave over the countryside, the planning system and most planners are not fit for purpose, it’s time to stand up to them
Yes but those people who are angry about others not getting permission, are angry because they want you to be cheated just as much as them, you know a level playing field an all that...
Im sorry but if you own land and you have no intention of being hooked up to the city / village water / electric systems then you should be allowed to do whatever the heck you want with it no questions asked. I literally know nothing on this subject thats just what logically makes the most sense
It’s shocking!! You r got more chance of building 350 new houses on green belt than building a log cabin to live in on your own woodland. It’s a joke!!
They don’t need to do anything they are living the life of Riley in the hotels we are paying for. Meanwhile we get our ass torn out just to get planning. I had this same issue.
A day under 10 years and they can still say no. It's just not worth the crap. Unless you are very very lucky, ritch or own a large farm/Argos business there is no chance. The system sucks and I'm just moving abroad now.
I find it amusing how you keep referring to it as "your land". All you've really done is earned the right to give the government money every year for tax. It's a joke
Have you got one? They're garbage..we had to repair one twice at a house we bought, cost nearly 10k in repairs. They're crap and are just pushed on us to tick boxes for the fake climate con 😂
Oh my word... the level of cyst-emic absurdity in the modern world is... ummm... lost for words. You both often seem rather relaxed and in search of a way around all those instances of bureaucratic retardartion, but aren't you really indignant at what's goinig on? Also, as an Eastern European off-gridder, I have to admit that the cost of land is on the rise. Surely, one can purchase land for pennies here and there, but that'll be rather unlivable. It is, however, failry easy to "change the statut" of farmable land into that one can build on. For houses up to 70m2, no need for any official permits. This is the situatiuon in Poland, at least. Such a blessing it would be to have conscious neighbours around...
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An absolute circus of a system and no mistake! As you said, the worst annoyance is the huge dual standard of developers being able to build housing that detrimentally affects the area but an individual cannot build a small and unobtrusive home on their own land.
That because developers can afford to grease a few palms,most individuals do not have the resources,it’s called corruption.
@@meljen8592 not really, developers can establish need for housing due to the chronic housing shortage in the UK and individuals cannot,to get change of use for agricultural to residential you have to prove lawfull need and developers already have that,its really that simple.
By design
@@joygallavan6790except these developments are being increasingly built in sensitive areas, with sketchy impact assessments, and if we're in a housing crisis then government can make it legal overnight for me to have a small cabin on my land or back garden
Also the totally ridiculous situation that it's much easier to put a load of airbnbs on your land than it it for a house to live in - even if the airbnb is occupied 365 days per year. Loads of wealthy people with land have done this around us.
We bought a corner house, on a largish estate, with the sole intention of extending, I designed the extension to blend in, look like it had always been there. The council wanted us to make changes which would ruin the looks and the internal layout. I got the planning officer around for a site visit. I took her for a walk around the estate, pointed out all the properties which set a precedent, I also pointed out all the properties which looked hideous because the extensions didn't blend in. Within two days I had my planning permission as I had designed it. As with everything in this country you need to know how to work the system.
Within two days ?
It most definitely doesnt depend on what government comes in..Theyre all complicit
I quit the UK for eastern Europe, here you can live on your own land.
You can buy 1 ha of land for as little as £5000, property taxes are 5% of that charged in the UK.
You can easily live an off grid lifestyle far cheaper and safer than being in the UK.
Sounds good 🤩 how long have you been in Eastern Europe?
well done to you, I would love to do that but what puts me off is being a foreigner who doesnt speak the language. It would have to be when I 'retire' also because I don't do an internet based job.
Do you think there are enough Brits or other English speakers there to make a 'community'?
So many people want to get off the matrix, can't blame them, if I had the means I would. I've a few years till retirement then will have to line my ducks up and see which way I want to go.
We're all running away while "they" parasite off us. Maybe it's time.to stop running. We work hard!!! We deserve a 3 bed house to raise a family and it shouldn't be this hard. Time to stand up and say enough is enough! Who's to blame? US for putting up with it!!!!!
vote reform uk
You are completely right Fraser It is completely unfair that it is down to whether they like you or not, shouldnt be that way it should be a fair process for all.
The drip drip method. That’s how big brother has been bringing in their plan for the world.
I know a Freemason in Somerset who buys tiny plots of agricultural land and always gets planning permission to build a house or two. I am not going to say he gets permission because the head of building control is also a Freemason.
Oh, go on.
Shouldn't be allowed... losing our green space to fast
Totally agree with what you say. Have you studied the John Nix handbook? You can even rent the livestock from a local farmer in order to get planning permission. Most councils cannot object to these guidelines.
I love the first Line…. If they don’t like you you won’t get on! sooo truee!! 😂 get your agri qualifications yes easiest way 👌 and stay away from leasehold 🌚🤦🏻
😂 unfortunately it does seem to make a difference!
Wise words 👍
@@The_OffGridFamily Great video, thank you once again 👍🏼
Excellent advice and just the way i would do it if i find woodland to buy. Slowly and quietly bit by bit get the locals used to the land being worked and improved.
I've just come across your channel. Really interesting. We're Brits living off grid in SW France but a lot of your challenges resonate with us. Planning permission is a nightmare and the government seem a little suspicious of anyone who is trying to live what they see as an 'alternative lifestyle'. I guess they view us as a bunch of hippies not wanting to contribute to society (even though the off grid movement in France is huge, and growing).
Keep up the good work, keep the videos coming and most importantly, keep the faith!
Here in the states, we are given a warranty deed when we buy land. This binds us to the municipalities jurisdiction. However, we can request from the Bureau of Land Management a certified copy of the letters patent for our lands Metes and Bounds. After collating the relevant sales history combined with the Land Patent we can post it on a public bulletin board such as a town hall or library for 60 days plus one. At the end of the 61 days we take it to the county recorders office so it can be recorded as our land thereby, nullifying the warranty deed. At this point we are forever free to do what we will with our land without planning permission, permits, inspections, codes and ordinances. And this without reprisal.
😂😂😂
have you done this or can you point me in the direction for the research on this? particulary the land patent portion?
Another very informative vid Fraser. From what I’ve read, the removal of the 4 yr and 1 day rule is part of the Levelling Up and Regeneration Bill. Words copied from there read: ‘’Whilst certain items within the LURA took immediate effect, this is not the case for the 4 year rule provisions. This means that although the LURA is now adopted, the 4 year rule is sticking around for the time being. All we know is what the LURA tells us. Specifically, that the 4 year rule will be swapped for the 10 year rule “on such day as the Secretary of State may by regulations appoint”.
In plain English? This just means the 4 year rule will be cancelled on a future date to be decided by the Secretary of State. The Secretary of State will publish a secondary item of legislation which will officially declare the date of its cancellation.’’
I’ll email you some information 👍 Cheers Paul
my hatred for so called authorities is immeasurable
My neighbour has just got permission to build three houses in his garden . The local farmer has built vast buildings for indoor boot sales and has artics delivering good there and basically running out of it and it’s a 7.5ton country road . John bloor has been granted permission to build over a thousand houses in a field quarter of a mile away or less . But I got turned down for a 2mx4m porch 🤦♂️
😩 Sorry to hear this. There just doesn't seem to be any logic to it does there?
Oh my days BIG FAT APPEAL me thinks ? Cheeky gits
@@The_OffGridFamily That's correct! None whatsoever. One rule for one..etc.etc adinfinitum. @127069 I feel for you. ;-(
This man speaks alot of sense !
Well said! If only people realised how much we have all been cheated since the day we got a birth certificate. All the best to you and your family in 2024 and beyond.
Extremely helpful suggestions, much appreciated 👍
The real way to beat the planners is to buy a house or land with existing planning permission. It's playing by rules very expensive but stress free in terms of the uncertainty and capricious nature of the planning system. Property exists in rural Scotland for a fraction of the price of land in England
Learn a trade that can be done remotely or transferable to the local economy, save up your deposit and away you go.
I believe planning laws need to be reformed as they are heavily weighted to the wealthy and corporate.
We should all be able to live on our own land but what I suggest is the real long game with a 30 year mortgage but greater freedom
It's illegal to have 'no fixed address' in the UK. Think about it: The government isn't getting as much tax as a house generates. Private firms aren't getting your utility payments, who's policy is decided via the government - who also likely profits from your money. The government can't threaten you into submission; they can't take your shelter. The mortgage business; banks, solicitors, estate agents. All missing out on your 20+ year debt from being priviledged to own a home.
A lot of sectors and people miss out on a lot of money, from you not 'buying' a house. Plus - this is the kicker - if you're not needing to work as much, or earn as much, to pay your mortgage off, then the country misses out on your taxable income. This is why governments don't want you 'un-shackled'.
It is NOT illegal to have no fixed address in the U.K.
@@stephencrowther524 Not directly, yet indirectly, it's a crime.
How do Gypsies get to live freely then? They have no fixed abode.
@@BandiMasha They don't. In 2020 iirc, the law was changed to make trespass, from a civil law, to a criminal law. Consider that virtually all land in England is owned, you're essentially commiting a crime by pitching up anwhere you don't own.
Since when was some of the land not owned.....
Until the house prices are valued at what it cost to build +materials + cost of land the planning department will try and stop people from making a fast buck in their eyes and the people who paid for rural exclusivity will be resentful where I am in East Sussex new money wants to live rural and get on the train to London they do not want anyone without their value system living next door
I think its a case of .."If we let you do it then everyone will be doing it"
@@utubeape they despise the peasantry so much and those films about hippy communes having orgies wailing through the valley all night long isn't what the rich want to hear , they do that sort of thing in the dungeon below their home or go to a private club
Councils are corporations and rely on you accepting that they have the right to grant or refuse permission thereby making a contract between you. I built a cabin on my land 8 years ago and responded to all their communications by asking for a contract showing their authority over me. This method also works to stop council tax demands and many other scams. Make sure you have read all their rules and watched every video you can and digest all the information before you go down this route. Richard Vobes has a load of information on his channel.
Councils are not Corporations in uk
@@OliverBootle1 yes they are, as are the police, courts etc all operating under contract law (UCC)
Most local councils are a clown show!
They have no real personal power or position in life so they get off on trying to control your life with ridiculous red tape and BS!!
Thank you - this is very good practical advice.
Instead of having these giant copy-paste housing estates, it would be good to see the infrastructure put in, then people having plots to work or manage or build how they like. Local people could get priority and discounts, and loans or help with building materials. But the councils work for themselves and their donors, rather than for you as a taxpayer. The way things work in the UK is absolutely rotten.
I have extended family out in the West Country who built a cow barn, then after a few years (and during lockdown) they built walls around it, insulated it, and now they have a lovely family home next to the grandparents. They did well and it's now a proper dwelling.
Life shouldn't be as hard as it is for many people. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you. This is my first time seeing this channel. Just starting myself. Money is in the bank but hard finding a nice spot I can get away with this stuff on.
Glad you found us 😊 that sounds really exciting. Hope you find a good piece of land soon 👍
"We only live so long" 😢
Your spirit and soul never die. You leave your body like a set of old clothes.
I wouldn’t even ask permission I would just build my house hidden away on my own land
Get a TV licence then cancel it after a month. TV licencing will be plaguing you with letters for years.
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What a country we living in ? Shouldn’t be bother anyone what are you building on your land .Otherwise it’s hard to call ,, my land,, . I know i know it’s the law . Someone set the law for some reason- to breake it 😂
You don't own your house outright. Stop paying council tax and a charge is put against your home.
Uk , very strict planning laws here !
Unless you’re a developer and want to put up 500 houses .
We can’t even put a caravan / motor home with out planning unless there’s a president ( previous dwelling )
we've been doing the same thing in parallel - we MUST connect!
Agricultural land in the UK is protected ,to live on it you have to get change of use to residential,for that you have to prove a lawfull reason why your need to live on that land overrides the UK economic need to have that land as agricultural thats why its so hard,an agricultural business will maintain the economic status of the land but there are not many agricultural businesses which demand you live on site,large building companies building at scale will come under established need due to the chronic housing shortage in the UK but an individual cannot,it all seems so arbitary when looked at from the outside but it is 100% down to the Town and Country Planning Act,any body trying to live on agricultural land needs to know this act inside out which is near impossible so the only way really is getting a planning agent.
Yet a developer can come in and demolish hedgerows and concrete over the fields, land that can never be converted back to agriculture, vs. a small dwelling in a field
@@LaughingMan44 developers have already established need due to the massive housing shortage we have,its not about it being able to be changed back to agricultural land its about establishing a lawfull reason for it to have change of use from agricultural land to residential land,all land in the Uk, if you want to live on it has to have residential planning,you are not allowed to live on agricultural land unless you can establish lawfull need and nearly all individual need is classed as "want" in UK law so doesn't stand a chance of getting change of use planning
@@joygallavan6790 If this was about housing, they'd grant people planning permission to put their children/parents in their back garden or on their property, or house themselves on what was previously agricultural land, so your excuses make 0 sense. Unless you're being incredibly pedantic and obsessing over "the law" as a means of justifying the current state of affairs
@@LaughingMan44 Im not obsessing over the law Im explaining how the system works,you have to understand planning law and the ideology behind it to even think about trying to do anything remotely "none conformist." BTW I live off grid in a cabin in the woods with no planning permission and almost no chance of getting it,the only chance people have to do what I have done is have an in depth knowledge of planning law ,my own personal feelings about planning law and random ramblings about what I think should be done ultimately help no one,land is used as a means of control to stop the majority gaining any power, but knowledge is power
@@joygallavan6790 Hi, I was just reading your comments and wondered do you have any advice/ know any forums (UK) to get started. I have started reading into land law but really need to understand the pit holes with purchasing either agricultural land or woodland in the UK more specifically the SW. Thanks :)
Planning is extremely difficult right now especially in my area which is Bristol, Somerset and Wiltshire. They almost just want to waste your time. My suggestion would be do it in such a way that you don’t require planning.
Fun fact. You have never signed a contract with the council.
I remember watching a guy who did it by building his house on stilts on a land that he used to make charcoal for his business. Because it was built on stilts it wasnt classed as permanent dwelling. They couldnt touch him. It took him a few years and he had to show that he needed to be there all hours of the day. So the council said as long as the living arrangements weren't permanent (concreted in) he could live there but when he decided to leave he woukdnt be able to sell it as land with a home.
wouldn't work now .Most land is agricultural to stay on it for more than 28 days a year,no matter what your in,tent,house on stilts or cabin ect you need change of use to residential,this is almost impossible to get as there is always a presumtion of refusal unless a lawfull need is established,charcoal burning used to be a lawfull need but now also carries a presumption of refusal for change of use. The "permanent dwelling" rule is many decades out of date.
It's only a union jack when it's flown from a jackstaff which is a mast onboard ships or boats
As long as you keep it in keeping and you are not causing a problem then yes pass it planning
Or, like a bird, migrate where is “better” for you and family .. after all, life is indeed a mystery and we don’t know how long we’ve got.
A country that welcomes you, a cheaper alternative, perhaps better weather ☀️ ..
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏻
You summed that so perfect
Problem Ive got and I’m sure many have the same issue: I have. House with a mortgage, I would need to sell the house to buy the land but would have to live on it straight away as the house would have gone.
Same here. Big risk, especially at my time of life.
Excellent, insightful video thanks mate.
Glad it’s helpful 😊👍
Hi there, super useful video - I was wondering do you or anyone else know whats the difference in rules when it comes to woodland? And does size play a factor? Thanks! :)
Great advise, 👌👊
Interesting view. Thing is you need planning laws. And once you have laws you will get people trying to get round those laws. So as usual they have to be ambiguous and open to interpretation.
ASHP's do work in the cold, after all, they are ubiquitous in the Scandinavian countries and it gets pretty cold over there. I personally have an ASHP, retrofitted in 2021, and it's lovely and comfortable.
They only work if the house is as air tight and well insulated as Scandinavian homes. Most British buildings are not built to these levels as they are old and leaky. Hence heat pumps don’t work here. 🤦🏼♂️
@MrMonero mine is a 1970's 4 bed detached house with a floating wooden floor. I have improved insulation and double glazing. A heat loss calculation was performed as the system designed around my house. It's really a simple calculation, can enough heat be added to raise the internal temperature to the required level and cope with the heat loss. The amount of insulation etc determines how much the heating system will cost to run be it ASHP, gas or oil etc.
Do we know if it's gone up to 10 years yet?
I sympathise, having dealt with Planning officers for over 4 decades. They do make it personal which is wrong. I also, sadly, agree that it is easier to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Many owners/builders are not gaining permission now, and that is The Councils` fault. PO`s premise should be `how can we approve this` not `how can we refuse this`. The Planning system needs shaking up, and maybe Labour will do this - we will have to see?. I would suggest only apply for a LDC following any Enforcement, so not to risk refusal, sad but true.
Spot on !
I believe you have to get planning permission for containers on agricultural land. We had our council order ours be removed from farmland.
We have 1/3 rd of an acre in Hampshire. Applied for permission for a log cabin, jumped through every hoop to the letter. Spent 11k and was still refused..some of the objections were extremely personal and very hurtful, so many Nimbys .... im afraid our next move is ... move on and see what happens.. they cant hang us.
come to oklahoma
As it ever was... It's not what you know, but who you know.
Travellers seem to be left alone by the councils and eventually get planning on land! This is very common in the London home counties.
If the council want to build a housing estate on agricultural land, they would just do it without any consultation from the locals. They would rubber stamp it regardless.
And if you do by land, make sure its not next to a Karen 😁
The whole system is corrupt.
you have to understand the planning act,to live on agricultural land you have to establish need,this need has to be lawfull,so running an agricultural business which demands you have to live on site,not many reasons,for example trees dont need 24 hr looking after,I think now only a stud farm will give residential rights,but due to the Uk wide housing shortage building companies building at scale can identify need ,that cannot be used on a individual level as there is always 1 spare house to rent or buy,because there is also a massive shortage of places for travellers which the government is breaking its own laws on then travellers also can automatically establish need.Its very much to do with the wording of the planning act.
What a joke that system is. Thank you for the heads up!
Your a inspiration,
Do you mind me asking roughly what sort region you live in?
Thank you ☺️ We are in South Lincs
Thank you so much for the response,
I hope I can do this life style one day, land hunting now 😂
All the best with your search. Hope you find something soon 😊👍
Can you live in a static if you have rare breed chickens to look after
so if i got 3.5 acres, put 2 40ft container home/holiday home on it and a post box and had some letters go there for 4 years then i could go live there. 4 yrs +1 day.
Or people could build a property on agricultural land under common law and not under legislation to avoid all the planning rules.
Permission, f asking for permission on your own land.
Legislation requires consent! Most people don’t believe this, but I assure you it does require consent, I’m getting out of the matrix, protecting my assets with private trusts, I’ve served the company that calls themselves the government Baron David Wards affidavit and they still haven’t been able to rebut it since 2015!
I no longer pay water, gas and electric because it’s pre paid from our tax money 100x over! I no longer pay tax as the ‘government’ cannot provide the signed contract!
It's pretty costly, but it removes all of the headache and stress out of it, but you can hire a company to handle it all. It's much more successful.
Such as ? Any recommendations?
@@sadie2506 Just hire a planning consultant local to where you are wanting planning permission. A local is more likely to know what turns ons/offs the local committee has than a national company.
Off grid living much better For the planet and peoples mental health meanwhile developers can pave over the countryside, the planning system and most planners are not fit for purpose, it’s time to stand up to them
We definitely found this during Covid. Being locked down in a woodland isn't so bad! We were very lucky in that sense 🌳
Yes but those people who are angry about others not getting permission, are angry because they want you to be cheated just as much as them, you know a level playing field an all that...
Im sorry but if you own land and you have no intention of being hooked up to the city / village water / electric systems then you should be allowed to do whatever the heck you want with it no questions asked.
I literally know nothing on this subject thats just what logically makes the most sense
Agenda21
Gypsies do it so why can’t we.
It’s shocking!! You r got more chance of building 350 new houses on green belt than building a log cabin to live in on your own woodland. It’s a joke!!
I’m sure migrants will have no problems.
They can do whatever they want
They don’t need to do anything they are living the life of Riley in the hotels we are paying for. Meanwhile we get our ass torn out just to get planning. I had this same issue.
A day under 10 years and they can still say no. It's just not worth the crap.
Unless you are very very lucky, ritch or own a large farm/Argos business there is no chance.
The system sucks and I'm just moving abroad now.
You can’t just let any build anywhere . The country would look like shite if you could.
tell that to the housing estate developers....those estates are huge, soulless concrete dystopia's and the type of people that move in...welll !
Buy your land?... just tell me once again... whos owns the land?
No one owns the land!
It was given to us to share! ⚕️🔺️💷❌️
There’s no point moaning on RUclips. Get involved in local politics if you want to make changes.
I find it amusing how you keep referring to it as "your land". All you've really done is earned the right to give the government money every year for tax. It's a joke
4 year rules gone….
This video was pretty poor no information whatsoever…. Wasted 3 minutes.
the way you disregarded a heat pump makes me think you know nothing about anything
Have you got one? They're garbage..we had to repair one twice at a house we bought, cost nearly 10k in repairs. They're crap and are just pushed on us to tick boxes for the fake climate con 😂
the way you disregarded climate change makes me think you know nothing about anything
@@whalebonefieldsAnd yet you’re the one here that would find it impossible to define what a woman is in a short, simple sentence.
@@piggerGg I struggle to see how that is relevant, but that's easy. A woman is an adult female human being.
@@whalebonefields The way you transphobically attempted to describe a woman shows us all you know nothing about anything
Oh my word... the level of cyst-emic absurdity in the modern world is... ummm... lost for words. You both often seem rather relaxed and in search of a way around all those instances of bureaucratic retardartion, but aren't you really indignant at what's goinig on? Also, as an Eastern European off-gridder, I have to admit that the cost of land is on the rise. Surely, one can purchase land for pennies here and there, but that'll be rather unlivable. It is, however, failry easy to "change the statut" of farmable land into that one can build on. For houses up to 70m2, no need for any official permits. This is the situatiuon in Poland, at least.
Such a blessing it would be to have conscious neighbours around...