DEVASTATING News for NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle! 😮
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- Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2024
- We dive deep into the NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle class to further examine controversial domination by team Vance & Hines that is now killing participation in the class as the once thriving motorcycle drag racing class dips down to just 12 entries, with team Matt Smith Racing brining 5 bikes. In this video we will take you to Virginia Motorsports Park as Vance & Hines Pro Stock Motorcycle racer Gaige Herrera tries to surpass Bob Glidden’s longstanding NHRA win streak, we explore racers quitting the class including Cory Reed, Joey Gladstone, “Flyin” Ryan Oehler, and the sudden departure of Vance & Hines rental customer LE Tonglet and we also head to the NHRA National Event at Summit Motorsports Park in Norwalk, Ohio where we show you a full session of Pro Stock Motorcycle qualifying and Matt Smith accuses his rival Vance & Hines team of sandbagging and manipulation. Things get worse for the Pro Stock Bike class as many racers talk about not traveling West. It’s an issue that even got the attention of Terry Vance. As the NHRA Seattle race comes to pass the Pro Stock Motorcycle class is down to an alarming 12 entries, marking the 4th consecutive race the class has failed to get a full field. Let us know what you think can be done to even the playing field, bring cost down and improve participation to save Pro Stock Motorcycle #motorcycles #motorcycle #dragracing #nhra
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I give Matt Smith props, He has a passion to race. He takes it all in stride and makes changes to combat the monopoly. My Hat s off to you Matt Smith
He loves it. Few realizes he's a 2-man operation up against a multi-million dollar company. I appreciate the comment! Please give it a share!
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,all the smiths are a legacy to the independant spirit of competition,,,,,,not big money and manipulation.......screw what v and h has become.....
@@cycledrag So what’s Smith bitching about now? He has a bike that can set new records in Qualifying but won’t start when it counts. Sorry but he gets no sympathy from me.
It a double whammy. Putting a team together with all the tour costs involved + funding of 1-2 million dollars per season is one thing.. THEN getting Beat every weekend by a massive company that has all the resources in the world is another. Its unreal what MSR has accomplished all these years . Terry Vance is asking what can be done to fix the class. What a joke...He knows exactly what's been going on .
Modern day drag racing in general sucks.....glad I grew up in the era I did to witness drag racing in the 60's thru 70's.....rather go to nostalgic events and to apoint relive some of the better era including the Steve Gibbs "Nitro Rivival" event every year
That's like Nascar ... I used to love Nascar it sucks now
@@Diesel1974 Agreed… NASCAR is a WOKE circle jerk
V&H have been influencing the NHRA since the "Dragbike!" era. They win by changing the rules to fit them ONLY. I stopped when the rules made it 3 to 6 times as expensive to race.
Thank you for the comment. What did you used to race?
Whoever has the deepest pockets is usually the one who dominates
Oh absolutely! I said this forever. But really kicked up.when Bryce/Selling beat up M.Hines
Mmmm, Kawasaki Z1 based motors/bikes kinda shared the spotlight. Dave Schultz dethroned Terry Vance on a Kawi!
@@cycledrag ProMod inDragbike
Pay $12,500 to ride a bike that's being setup two tenths slower than there favorite rider! I'D PASS ON IT ALSO😲
I can see where the frustration would come from. LE Tonglet is a very gifted racer. He should have been very close.
"their" favorite rider...
@@macmclemore No need for grammar police in the comments section you knew exactly what he was getting at And he was probably text talking
paying 12,500 to race for the same money not a good investment to race for second place
You can thank Jack for that he is the one that got everyone protesting to give Suzuki 4v per cylinder head... Back when the engineers at NHRA had just gotten the v twins and the in line 4 balanced out for both to run 6.7 sec quarter mile ... That when Jack started complaining about the displacement when both engines were flowing the same amount of air and burning the same amount of fuel . .and if it was not for Andrew Hines cutting almost perfect lights most of the time. Harley would not have got all the hole shots ... And Suzuki would have won more races.... When Eddie krawiec raced both Harley and Suzuki got the hole shot same ..the Harley would take the Suzuki through 2/3 of the track and then run out of steam then the Suzuki started to come on hard to a photo finish every time
.but not anymore thanks to jack sticking his nose where it doesn't belong
When NHRA bent over to let Harleys in, they started ridiculous equivalence formulas. Looks like someone got beat at their own game.
NHRA as well as NA$CAR have always given 'handicaps' to motors with fewer cylinders. V6s could have a turbo-charger against V8s in certain classes.
Ironically it was the same people, vance and Hines were running Harly's at their peak, and now running Hayabusa's. Central character is V&H, so whatever happened, they are smack dab in the middle of it
@@pb68slab18 The V6 turbo was very quickly outlawed because chevy threatened to pull all of their cars. Chevy can't play fair, they always stack the deck
@@pb68slab18 When was that…?
@@crazylarryjr Mehhh, Chevy derangement syndrome! Must be a Ford fan! 😁
Odd them both being GM divisions, the GM corporate bosses didn't get involved behind the scenes. Back then ALL GM divisions were involved and could use their own proprietary engines, or the "corporate engine" aka Chevy 350. Most GM teams used the Chevy 350. The Pontiac teams ran the Chevy 350 until Pontiac ceased to exist.
Remember when GM OFFICIALLY banned ALL corporate involvement in racing. And let the divisions play thru surrogates!
It's not really competition anymore, it's sold as entertainment, and advertisement! Spokesmodels in 200mph rolling billboards!
Today, it's all about the MONEY!
Ever see the palatial facilities of Hendrick, Childress, Gibbs, etc. Nickel & dime operations they ain't! They're cleaner than many hospitals! I saw a show on the manufacturing facilities of JGR! WOW! And they just don't make "Official NA$CAR Approved" race car parts to sell to other teams!
Heavy defense/aerospace income.
Vance & Hines are doing great at destroying the very class they want soo badly to be the big shot in. Any record that Gaige reaches is tainted and bs, even just comparing him to Bob Glidden is laughable
.......................he's a funny lookin little shittttt....................
I was thinking the same thing about the record. What does it even have to do with Bob at all?
There are chess players that have beaten Bob's record too. I don't see them getting some kind of credit for it.
I totally agree!!!!!!!! Bob Glidden please that's a joke!!!!
This is like nascar where Hendricks builds all the Chevy engines
There are others who dominated, Garlits , Prudhomme, Force and so on. These people need to dig down deeper and show they can win.
Record needs to have an asterisk next to it. NHRA was bribed by Vance and Hines to fix the rule. Pro Stock motorcycle class is trash now
Well not really! If herria was taken out of the mix things would be close to normal- really,he,s a red herring and the best ever pro stock rider period- give him credit or blame! He is a machine- perfect size and mental ability - he,s the difference- 😢
@@zeke2566 can’t be considered best ever when you’re given a clear advantage over everyone else
@zeke2566 I wouldn't go that far, he's just riding the fastest bike out there. I bet if you put him on a different bike, let say for instance. Put him on Chris Bostick's bike. I bet the win streak would come to an end immediately...
@@F4billionyearzag0 , he would ride it better if it was set up for him.
@bethchildree9844 he is but I wouldn't go as far as saying that he's the best ever. Like I said he just has the fastest bike out there. He wasn't winning anything before he joined the V&H team...
Its not a CAR,,,,,,...... HE'S NOT BREAKING BOB GLIDDEN'S ANYTHING
It’s a consecutive win streak regardless of vehicle
@@joeferraro5495 No shit??
@@mikeherrmann5360 so it looks like he broke the record sorry you’re upset
@@joeferraro5495 It's 2 whole different classes. Sorry there are people who want to believe this is a record to be taken away from Bob Glidden
@@mikeherrmann5360 it’s most consecutive event wins in a pro class so it is now his record. You got a problem with bikes? They are t saying most consecutive pro stock car event wins so what is the problem?
Sadly most sports are fixed & this looks & smells like fix.
It's like pro wrestling.....lol
Politics... It's all about the money.
@@JRottenWait.....pro wrestling is not real?😢
Old school short track solution. Claimer rule on the motor. Anyone who makes the semis can claim the winners motor for a fee.
This recently was a big deal in super motocross. Kid claimed a bike and Yamaha jump on his head because he allegedly exposed the same thing in question about V&H. Factory motors containing factory parts that aren’t accessible to the public nor pro racers. Bike winning by substantial margins
NHRA = rigged racing
Vance and Hines have dominated drag racing for decades, racing Hondas, Kawasakis, Suzukis, Harleys, and even a Yamaha.
@@garyjackson3531 Of course, the "Harleys" weren't, and you couldn't touch their parts as a privateer.
@@UncleKennysPlace Something NHRA shouldn't have allowed. The problem is "factoring" When you have multiple combinations and are constantly adjusting the weight breaks to "even" the competition. This almost killed Pro Stock car. Made for interesting combinations, like the Gapp and Rousch 4 door Ford Maverick. To save the class the rules were changed to a standard 500 inch engine and a minimum weight. Sports car racing has "balance of performance" factoring which is the cause of constant bellyaching.
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@@garyjackson3531 They have great parts and people, but is there rule favoritism in this case? I appreciate the comment! Please give it a share!
@5:20 will not be comparable in any way shape or form, Bob Glidden did not go about creating monopolies on parts and pieces he gained his win streak from working his ass off and honest driving competition.
Yeah...having a monopoly over all th' stuff NEEDED to Compete DOESN'T make you a "winner"...Hard Work, Fairness, Honesty, Integrity...THOSE make you a Winner...
And cheating with his carburetor, cry babies can't win so they claim some1 is cheating
The way to fix the class is for all the teams tell V&H, and NHRA they are not going to another race until V&H produces the EXACT same parts for EVERYONE.
Won’t happen
@@ChrisSauer-oe5ve I know it's almost impossible to do so with sponsorship.
Glidden was a class act. Had the pleasure of talking with him on several occasions. Not many guys like him left.
Yeah Bob Glidden very class act , one of my all time favorites, ✌️
Herrera may have broken the record, but it is a tainted record
Please tell me more
@cycledrag
Think about the era Bob set that record....
No electronics.
No fuel injection.... tuning was king.
And very full fields of guys with dreams.
Way different era.
And the competition was massive.
Not a 12 car qualifying round...
@@JRotten , tuning is STILL King, Matt can't keep a clutch tune in his bike, tell me you know nothing.
When nobody can tune a Busa to within 2 tenths of what Herrera is running, especially when it comes out of the same shop, it's painfully obvious that they're not giving everyone access to the same stuff.
Vance and Hines definitely sandbagging. Fast forward to final round. Tell me they weren't sandbagging in qualifying
Man I sure do miss Dave Shultz when watching this.
Me too!
That man built his own stuff & rode his a$$ off!! 💪💯
Why would you buy your equipment from your rival. Think they just might have a little conflict of interest?
Yes for sure. It's always been this way and this is one of the root problems for this class. NHRA has not created a viable path forward for competition. This is why Smith is so frustrated. In my opinion there should be 5 competitive engine choices. V&H has a monopoly.
I quit watching several years ago because the fix was in. #neveragain.
no comparison between gauge and Glidden
Racing is Super Expensive and prostock bikes don’t attract sponsorship that’s the side no one talks about . The teams are probably running out of money and dropping out as a result. You want to compete V&H bikes, you need a big budget . There’s no value in prostock motorcycle racing if we are being honest and only a labor of love!
If it would have been Bob Glidden he would have been penalized after his first qualifying run.
Haven’t heard that name in years!!!
@@Super-Bike-Joe - Perhaps you haven’t heard it in years because he died 7 years ago …
Made him carry an Xtra 250 lbs.
Comparing anybody to Mr.Bob Glidden is a JOKE ! For anybody that that witnessed his greatness, seeing him compared to a cycle rider (not a driver) makes one hate the entire two wheel category.
Does Terry Vances million dollar donation to a NHRA charity a few years ago have anything to do with any of this B.S. !! Share your thoughts.
I absolutely agree. Bob Glidden was on a whole different level. He and his family personally wrenched on that car!!!! And Bob didn't have a half a tenth covering the competition.
They r spending the money to be political just make the shit right,I am a bike guy and I travel to see bikes even fly but I will be going to all the other races that cycle drag goes not nhra
Terry is 💯 businessman, nothing else, fact!!
Can’t ride worth 💩 If it wasn’t for Byron & Jeff Ward giving him a ton of power he would never have won, Fact!!
The NHRA doesn’t care about anything but Nitro cars. Period.
Fact!!
That’s their bread and butter 💯
As a lifelong rider, racer whos traveled all around , sampled rare cuisine, threw up...slept in castles.
If only i could have saved all that foreword to the 2020s. Racing was HARD! There were almost NO speed shops or performance lines. We had to machine our own engine cases, and built up our own 4 v heads, and straight cut no dog gearsets... Or buy used Yoshimura and pre Mugan sand castings from some overseas team and rebuild for mountains of cash.
My 1978ish honda CB750 i built 1984 to a 903cc Yoshi clone was literally only about 10% original left. Even the frame was custom. the crank was Yoshi billet, rods, pins Yoshi Ti. Heads yoshi cylinders, custom from me.And a crapton of old F1 worn out parts from bosses stash. mechanical methanol system from//something F1 or hillclimb. It literally took me what would have been 40-50 thousand in parts and after hours machining time i spent to build that bike. And Now Any Kawi H bike can walk away bone stock... I still miss that cough and bark as you wacked the throttle and go from 1%power to 95% in the mearest throttle blip lol. CA, ca ca ca..pings rev limit ...KA Cough...moments hesitation..HAAAWWWHHOOOOSHHH!!@! with fricken authority. NO in between EVER LOL> hang on bub!!
Is the NHRA being secretly run by nerds that don't know anything????
No. they're run by a fucked up family of greedy bastards, just like Nasturd.
This has been happening for a long time I'm surprised they're just now doing something about it honestly I would have dropped out a long time ago if I were the other competitors seen how I wasn't gaining any ground when we're supposed to have the same equipment and the guy riding the Vincent Hines by got to feel stupid or I mean has no sense of sportsmanship if he's willing to cheat and just keep winning and not care as long as he's getting a paycheck
nhra has become bullshit
What has you feeling that way?
Top fuel, Funny car and pro stock has been awesome and pro stock motorcycle was good just last season and this season I knew something wasn’t legal about Gages bike
I agree, I haven't watched in about 4 years. It's spec racing, Chrysler Hemis with Toyota names on them and the drivers are hired for the ability to name all the sponsers
@@HodgeySYL81 , what isn't legal, enlighten us ALL.
@@cycledrag
It's rigged like pro wrestling.
Vance and Hines are ruining the class. They are obviously given preference by NHRA. NHRA and Vance and Hines are killing the competition.
My thoughts are, I sold my vance and Hines pipes on my old bike and put another brand on my new bike. I won't support cheaters. Let me know when you put content up about anything other than vsnce and Hines. Don't even care to hear them.
These days, my racing budget is my phone bill watching on here.
Bob Glidden was winning and innovating when he was winning like that . V&H has been Hoarding championships for 3 decade's lol. It took long enough for guys to say no more not on our dime !
But didn’t Bob have nitrous on some of his cars? His son said they had it hidden well!
At that time everyone was doing what they could to win. The difference NOS was available to everyone Unlike V&H parts bikes etc lol.
@@jinglingbabygarage7030I thought it was the cylinder head?!? Or something like that...the nitrous was his kids. 🤣😂🤣 Allegedly😳🤷🏾♀️
@@jinglingbabygarage7030
Yes he did, Bobby spilled the beans years ago 🤫🤣
Matt smith is the only one who has enough leverage to make a change. The class cannot survive without Matt Smith involved. He needs to boycott with all five bikes, NHRA will be forced to make some changes.
Even back In the day they were the s**t every drag bike 4into1 vance&hines lol add that up
HE'S NO BOB GLIDEN.
Make Pro-Stock bike a clamer class. If V&H had a few bikes clamed, they would straighten up.
Bring back funny bike
Bot that would be cool. Those days are over I'm afraid. But I'd like to see a power adder.
I agree, they were so much better, fun and entertaining to watch then those Pro Street bikes
The NHRA pro stock motorcycle race today ( Sonoma) was rigged !! V&H lost it on purpose !!
NHRA is fine with the class going away
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they only care about the nitro classes because that’s where the fans and money are. I have been going to NHRA races since the 70’s when I was a kid. The fan and expectations of them have changed. I used to go and sit through all the pro classes. They have so much squeezed together, the average spectator can’t watch and learn the bikes plus go through the pits to get nitro and concessions. Bike reminds me of pro stock truck end
But the tracks need the two Pro Stock divisions. This is when all the spectators hit the concession stands.
@@brianheidkamp8911 I agree with you but don't you think NHRA would miss those million dollar donation checks from V&H? 🤔
@@brianheidkamp8911NHRA may think the top fuel and fuel funny car are what fans want to see but I disagree. Just look at the growth of ProMod car counts and Top Fuel and Fuel Funny Car has problems filling the fields.
LoL, I get a kick out of that. A typical July, Aug, Sept day! down here in SE Va. when its 105 then rains for 15 or 20 minutes it cools down all right. Now its 103 and 105% humidity!
Right!! 🔥🤣🤣🤣🤣
Matt is one hundred percent right
Yoshimura needs to get into the game. Yoshi is probably the only company that could actually give Vance and Hines some trouble when it comes to motorcycles anyways. I rode for a long time and was more a fan of sportbike racing and in that category you had V&H, Yoshi, Muzzy, V&H has a monoploy on the class similar to the cars with being strictly Chevy Camaro bodies, computer controlled EFI, technology based.
Historical NHRA BS. Come on Jack on that record is S show. Yes, NHRA keeps crying on decline sales.
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@@cycledragJust look at the grandstands 😅
Look at the sportsman categories, they’re all down!!
NHRA corporate has destroyed the sport!!
Saving the class might be gone.
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RIP
The amount of money it takes to field a prostock mc is a bunch. I don't blame any rider that doesn't show up, who wants to go to a race knowing they can't win. NHRA is all about the $, and they are very friendly with the Vance & Hines boys.
This isn't going to happen. V&H know that a rules adjustment will kill their dominance. They will tank a couple of races until Indy, and then win the championship by a small margin. JFR did this several years ago. Robert Height wasn't even in the top ten until Force tanked a final to let him in where he won the championship. With the NHRA quietly endorsing wagering on drag races, it would be financially suicidal to have anyone run off with a points lead at the end of the year.
Yep 👍
Byron Hines is the best Engine builder ever. Nick name The Wizard. I have watched VH for years. The top fuel Suzuki was the one that that was a changer of the guard. People need to research and see how the motorcycle drag racing is from the commitment of Vance and Hines. Harley Davidson owes them for their success also.
That Suzuki only won when Bo didn't show up with his Kawasaki.
@@user-eh5cr4or6k I watched them beat everyone that year. Bo was a big competitor .Then Tretr McBride was in the new breed.
BH is good, but Jeff Ward was the Wizard!!
People don’t know this because Jeff was the guy behind the scenes.
Bullshit
I used to be interested in PSM, but not in the last couple of years. The class isn't much of a class anymore.
You said a mouth full there vance&hines is the only one that can save the class but to be the best beat the best just what you said at the beginning of show 95% of the bikes has been touched by vance&hines would you tell the other team your favorite play vance&hines is the best and every body must just face it
Maybe make it a "spec" series in which the engines are supplied by one or two manufacturers that aren't associated with any of the teams. The problem is that I can't imagine that there are many companies not named Vance & Hines that are willing or able to supply engines for 15+ bikes to compete at this level for a whole season. Maybe I'm wrong though.
Part of the problem is that few (if any) others have the money and resources that V&H has. I used to work at the race shop in Brownsburg and the amount of Engineering, dev time, machining time, tuning, etc. that went into the 4v Suzuki engine was impressive. MSR is probably their closest competitor and his shop is a fraction of the size of the V&H shop. With the money, name, sponsorships, etc. that they have theres only so much that can be done.
Wait,they have to pay $12.500 to race, that's the entry fee? Screw that!
Off topic but when someone says the economy is doing great, show em this video. Big race,lots of empty seats!
I grew up at Orlando Speedworld and started racing drag bikes around 1985. Jon Meyers was one of the people that i asked advice from. Many Car drivers were friends but the bike guys always helped me as a kid. Kelly McDaniel is one that i still talk to today. Check out his story. Thanks
This is what happens when you allow a monopoly on engine components. Money can buy success
They messed up pro stock motorcycle about 20 years ago when the Suzukis were dominating the cycle scene and beating the Harleys so they handicapped the Japanese bikes limiting them to carbs and horsepower.
And when Harley came in to the sport who was the dominant bike's Vance and Hines.
Back in the beginning, Pro-Stock was supposed to use a factory stock engine crankcase configuration. The V-rod they ran was everything but!
@@pb68slab18the V-rod was a stock bike from Harley…
@@HodgeySYL81 The V-rod motors V&H and others ran were not stock Harley cranckcases/motors. They were machined from billet aluminum and used NO stock parts.
@@pb68slab18EXACTLY this!!! The EXACT reason I stopped watching the NHRA events all together...
@@02autogt Cry Baby Cry
I don't understand why everybody is making such a big deal about it look back in the day when Vance & Hines went to v-twins Suzuki's wasn't even nowhere in the category now Vance & Hines with the Suzuki's now look where the V twins are since day one Vance & Hines have had their hand and everybody's pocket and everybody's pockets it just shows you NHRA is favoritism Vance & Hines
VH went back to Suzuki because HD didn’t want to pay anymore.
Byron did same thing with Suzuki & brought out a Yamaha for 1 year & Suzuki stepped up again lol
It’s all about money
Thanks for bringing that up I will no longer watch it I did not know it was all fixed racing.
Well you can bet your ass ! If Smith could do the same thing V&H is doing !! He would.
Oh, he tries his best. Even within his own team, how many races do his teammates win? Is his wife’s machine simply slower than his, or is she really that bad?
@@Clyde-2055Not to sound bad, but have you watched Angie ride?
By the way she’s a great person 😊
Total BS they bought this record. Holden won it in the heat of manufacture backing a competitive drivers. This is 1 more step closer to the end of the NHRA as a whole, a the end of the bikes!!!
The NHRA used to be fair if someone started winning this much they would put weight on them not tell the rest of the class that they can lower their weight knowing good and well that those bikes don't have the weight to shed. Anybody that's my age 60 and above that knows the hierarchy knows good and well that one of the key players is one of the most notorious sandbaggers to ever come along.
I’m surprised NHRA didn’t step in and require carbs and $5000 worth of spec air box To Save The Class.They don’t know why but just know they will.😊😊 Nothing brings our racers like adding another gate keep.
Thanks Jack for doing your best to be
Impartial..
Sad to see
Racers throwing the towel in..
Racing is a
Passion all of those
Riders ..
PSM has been bad for years. Between lack of personality and dominance of 1 team, it’s boring.
NHRA, i was a season ticket holder here in georgia, when they bought commerce raceway I was like yes, a race here forever!
Well they sold the track and nothing close to watch. They ruined racing, look at the empty seats here in va! Sad.
Vance & Hines has a history of this B.S. with NHRA!
NHRA needs to step in they need to make a minimum weight mandate for ALL TEAMS & RIDERS and they also need to make ONE ENGINE TYPE because you can't have one team destroying the class .
There must be a reason that Honda, Kawasaki, or Yamaha field bikes in this sport.
They used too..... especially Kawasaki.
They are huge companies with deep pockets.... But if class is rigged between two brands..... why bother.
Ok. I must know. Why at 745 did the track official run out and change the timing block?
I was wondering the same thing, something fishy about that. The timing block looked fine
With all due respect the NHRA has been on the take since the 1970's and possibly back to the 1960's. During that streak you mentioned of Bob Glidden's His Pinto based Mustang was weight factored at least three times, he switched to dodge using the Plymouth arrow and never broke stride at the end of that season (undefeated) NHRA standardized the rules forcing everyone to 500 Cu In BB's and a standard weight over the small block lightweights. Who was funding this to "slow glidden down" Chevrolet of course. They never could run equal to anyone without a little greasing of the palms. Looks like Vance and Hines has followed the proven model of the chevy regime
Almost spot on 👍
Never was a Glidden fan, but comparing V & H to him is a joke. Not to mention you are comparing apples and oranges.
While everybody else is sucking up to them and kissing their ring I can't help but remember one of the nicest guys I ever met Rodger Mcphail. Ask anybody old enough about him and V&H
Interesting, I thought I knew a lot of people, but can’t remember Roger😅
The only way too save the class is too open up the class ok it’s not hard too understand allow others to create parts to help the class evolve
Exactly 👍
UPDATE. Seattle Friday night. Matt Smith parked all 5 of his motorcycles to show NHRA that they won't have much of a future with out parity. Huge congrats to Matt for making a statement for the fans.
😂😂 … If they made the class a spec class, old man Matt would never win again !!
And then he went on to break track records the next day, so what's your point
When Matt was dominating there were constant rule changes. When V&H dominate there are constant holdfasts. There will always be favoritism in the NHRA.
Fact!!
I'm 63. I've been a Drag Racing fan since I was FIVE! Think...Garlits, & Clayton Harris. Drag Bikes (as a Motorcycle Rider for 44 years) Just LIT ME UP!! All that said, NHRA has GOT to do something to make Pro Stock REAL again, & Vance & Hines is NOT playing fair. They've got the market cornered, they've got a monopoly on parts, equipment, & Nobody else can compete. And this AIN'T like back in th' day, when it was WINSTON/NHRA DRAG RACING. Audiences are dwindling, PARTICIPANTS are dwindling...NHRA is Killing ITSELF with their own bullshit. DON'T go th' way of the French family with NASCAR...FIX IT ASSHOLES!!!
If I was V&H, and I leased equipment, I would tune the equipment the same way as your “main” bike. Why? Because technically if the equipment you lease wins, it’s on a V&H bike. You still “win.” Your name is still out there. “I’d like to thank Vance and Hines for giving me the equipment to get the job done!” Good for business in my eyes. You won’t have the entire division pointing a double shotgun at you like they do now. V&H may not care, but if they keep it up, there may not be a division at all anymore.
Biggest sandbaggers in motorcycle racing history.
@@user-eh5cr4or6kFact!!💯👍
It's all about who's liked and not liked as much. That's why I race for fun at the track and run for money on the streets
I think for the class to be fair they need to do what the pro AMA does after every Pro Motocross or Supercross race in the 250 class and in the 450 class bikes must be torn down gone over and checked to make sure the every component in the motorcycle is what it's supposed to be if you actually took a Vance & Hines bike apart and had it checked with the other Suzuki bikes what's being ran you will see that they don't not have the same components is everybody else that would bring more Riders and more Racers to the NHRA Pro Stock class because it would give everybody a boost of confidence that everything is equal but Vance & Hines has the NHRA in their pocket so that won't happen as much as it needs to
i've been a drag racer on motorcycle since I was 15 I'm now 71 I watched the growth and the decrepitude both. I knew this was going to happen and I predicted it 10 years ago that these were not Suzuki's and these were not Harleys these are custom built motorcycles and I don't care what engine you have in that chassis it was going to come to this no matter what and to tell you the truth people could care less because they can't buy this motorcycle and they can't ride it do you remember when it was race on Sunday sell on Monday well the motorcycle industry needs to get back to that make the motorcycle industry make better motorcycles. they need to start racing motorcycles that people can buy and want to ride I can tell you that a bike that runs the sevens or a bike that runs 11s are no different when it comes to consistency you wanna see that double .00 light that's what we're there for all this backstabbing and factory crap just sucks and you're never gonna put an into it because that's how the business operates do you know how many people would show up if you could buy a stock motorcycle put a super tune in it and go racing at the NHRA events there would be big races every Sunday and you wouldn't have to bribe people to ride the bikes. sorry about the speech to text it's not very good but I will say I could go on for an hour about this and I believe I have the experience in the industry to speak my peace I was at the drag race event for motorcycles at Fremont Raceway in California and I had been racing for 10 years previous to that tells you how long I've been doing it we need to boot the idea that a super built motorcycle is what people want to see race it is not pro stock superstock those are just terms used by the industry and NHRA which is losing viewers as the years go by how many teams are in the nitro class now also when you call something the nitro Harley races that's crap it should be nitro bike and anyone with a nitro bike should be able to come and participate like they do in Australia where they draw massive crowds.ok i've said enough
No Question about the Incredible Talent that Herrera has . But it's not fair at all. Vance and Hines are destroying pro stock bike. If V&H provided the same engines to All the league it would be fair for me. So All Suzuki Drivers have the same gear so the little performance tricks of the individual teams would make the difference. But how come NHRA allows that? Another thing, NHRA should consider a certain type of engine for the class for next season. It's My humble comment but I know that is not easy because of the brand's individual engineering I think I would be cool but the same engine type for all bikes would be fair
The true "Gaige" of the health of a racing class, DNQ must be a possibility in a healthy class. And consistent bye runs indicates a class in decline.
politics in racing for monetary gain.... as a business strategy it's incredibly smart...as a fan it's meh, but there are plenty of other, more interesting and just as fast bikes to watch
Vance and Hines has always been allowed special treatment and rules for whatever manufacturer their with at that time
No way! $12,500 is all those guys are making? Byron and Terry put the Pro Stock bike class on the map in the late 70’s. They’ve created a monopoly where no one can compete with them. The writing is on the wall. I think the NHRA will do away with the PSM class all together due to a lack of competition, other manufacturers participating, fan interest and an overall lack of relevance. All racing is headed in that direction, look at NASCAR.
But by the way it pushes the other bike brands to develop their own performance programs and it's also very good for the class. So All the other brands drivers get together with the brand the same way V&H is doing 😊
If you’re getting beat, hire a better driver, engineer and crew chief. Cuz you ain’t cheating at the highest level.
🤣 Right, if you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying 😆
When in the world is NHRA going to add top fuel bikes???? That would be a dream come true!!!!
.........................................,,,,screw the ring ding dingaling noise of un american bikes........................................................................................................
They already have, where have you been?
@@F4billionyearzag0 So why will I not see them next week at Sonoma NHRA drags? This is a national event.
@rdaw33 umm...I don't know the specific reason for sure. Maybe you can ask Mr. Cycledrag? But from what I'm understanding they're only scheduled to run 4 or 5 events this year. Maybe it's just a test to see how things go? Because even tho we all love and adore the TF motorcycle class, it's notorious for being inconsistent. So that's my theory. 🤔
@rdaw33 so far they have run in Chicago and Virginia, I think they're going to run the 4 wide in North Carolina and I think they're going to be in Brainerd, Minnesota, but don't quote me on that
Do we remember this problem back in the ProStar Days? if a NHRA prostock racer attended a Pro Star event they always dominated. I remember 2 prostockers at Atco!!
Tony Mullins 5 time pro star champion.
The Dodge boy’s?
Vance asking the other teams what do they need to do to fix the class and he asks if increasing the purse would do it and he knows without a doubt he would be giving his team and gage a pay increase. He might as well of just slapped the other teams in the face, spit on them and told em to git gud!
NHRA wont step up to make any changes until its just Gage and Gadson that are signed up to show at the next event and when that event comes around they in fact only have gage and Gadson there.
Vance will blaim everyone else while knowing that the NHRA is bending every other team over and sticking it to them without so much as a thankyou after each event but Vance doesnt care because it benefits THEIR PROGRAM AND THEIR POCKETS!
Gages record is always going to have most fans think their should be an asterix by his record because its obvious thwt the NHRA is holding the pocket while at each event for Vance.
Pro Stock and pro stock motorcycle has been a joke for years on the NHRA circuit. I quit watching many years ago.
Who cares about this pro stock bike racing anymore, would you like to bet who wins next time ?
Unfortunately many fans are indeed getting apathetic. I appreciate the comment! Please give it a share!
I wonder if Jack has ever raced his bike.
Why yes I have.
@@cycledrag how did you do?
Briefly, he has NEVER run a circuit for a year, he has NO clue what it takes to do that, a couple of laps ain't shit.
@@MasterLee1955what’s your problem?
Top fuel motorcycles class needs to return
It has. 4 races this year to start.
This is getting ridiculous that NHRA has done nothing to make things fair and as for Bob Gliddens that really sucks, not saying he didn’t earn it, but things was tougher when Bob set the record!
Quit you're Crying and Step-up your Game if you want to Win!...Matt Smith was just Fine when HE was Winning all the Time!
Smith is a Sore Lose Plain and simple
Your a very good man by having the guts to report this news.
I appreciate that.
I agree 💯
Watch your back, cycle drag, they’ll find a way to banned you, seen it done before.
This is the most contrived class in Drag Racing. Pure idiocy from staging to finish.
I really think Pro Stock Bike needs to be a stock 600 with no wheelie bar. This drastically lowers the price of building a bike and opens the door for other manufacturers. Also, it introduces more visibly obvious rider talent.
Is Pro Stock fixed yet !?
That’s a Big No! 🤣🤣🤣
What a joke