So while Tarantino rambles on about how "terrible" Altman's movie starts both visually and audibly, Stanley Kubrick called Altman up personally right after the movie came out because he wanted to know how Altman got the shot of Beatty lighting the cigar on the bridge (which he absolutely loved), which is a beautiful contrast of the bright burst of flame in the grainy shot at dusk. McCabe and Mrs. Miller is an absolute masterpiece in every sense, and I'm obviously not alone in that assessment. I don't mind anybody sharing an opinion, and I certainly don't mind someone not liking something that I'm fond of, because to each his own. But when Tarantino tries to imply the opening was "sub standard" amateur hour, he's obviously got a personal thing with Altman, because it's the non-polished, grainy, hazy, almost muddied feel of this out in the middle of nowhere northwest town in 1902 America that sets the stage for a truly magnificent film on so many levels.
Turns out Tarantino liked the movie. It just took him a while. Which in its way nullifies his criticism and is an acknowledgment that that his original criticism was misplaced and unfair.
Idk but a lot of Vilmos work in the early 1970s is just grainy, probably for artistic reasons but not wholesome as well. I never liked the cinematography of Deliverance, even though it has very interesting setting.
@@m1lst3r89 They "flashed" the film to give it that blown out blurry effect, or "old timey" look. As per wikipedia: In cinematography and photography, flashing is the exposure of the film or digital sensors to uniform light prior to exposing them to the scene. It is used as a method of contrast control to bring out detail in darker areas. This adds a bias to the overall light input recorded by the sensor.
@@Levipaulsen Call the movie whatever you want. It doesn’t matter to me. But if you were to characterize that film as, for instance, “uninteresting” or “mediocre” or “decent,” it would tell me a hell of a lot more about you than it would about “McCabe & Mrs. Miller.”
@@Levipaulsen No. It just reveals data about you. Anything we do reveals data about us - e.g., how we act when we drive, how we behave when we’re confronted with bad news, etc. I would say, though, that across two comments now, you’ve revealed more data about yourself than you likely intended.
Deadwood completes McCabe & Mrs Miller. Stunning series. On the one hand I would have liked more seasons but on the other the 3 seasons were just right. Then there was the movie. I always liked Altman but IMO this movie was not his best. (But still better than most.)
As an avid Old west history enthusiast, I consider McCabe & Mrs Miller like a documentary film. This is the closest movie to how the American frontier must have tasted like. It's a Masterpiece
I love the audio mixing in the first few scenes, especially the bar in the beginning with the drunk talk and card games and everything. It's immersive, making the action incidental and the audience a fly on the wall.
I like Tarantino but, McCabe and Mrs Miller is way more impactful than any of his own westerns in my opinion. Also the unconventional sound mix is really interesting in the film, gives it that particular atmosphere that only Altman could pull off.
If you told me you thought McCabe & Mrs. Miller was the greatest film ever made, I would not disagree. From his films and hearing him talk, I'm not sure Tarantino has the ability to appreciate the sadness this film captures so beautifully. And it's Altman, not Beatty, bringing that to the table.
@@m1lst3r89 um, no. Vincent and Theo, Gosford Park, Come Back to the 5 and Dime Jimmy Dean, Short Cuts, Secret Honour… he continued making unique and great films right up to the end.
@@ronbock8291 Short Cuts is long and overwritten and largely pointless, Gosford a run of the mill, Jimmy Dean forgettable at least. The rest I didn't see. Nadine is pretty stupid film from him.
I saw this several times on the big screen when it first came out and it was phenomenal. The sound mix is not dreadful. It is innovative and evocative and establishes character, mood and atmosphere, just as the “golden hued” cinematography and overcast skies create a period look. Today all those visuals and audio effects are achieved digitally which everyone accepts without any criticism. Decisions were deliberate, techniques that are now commonplace were first tried by him and Altman more or less created the new style of sound recording & mixing that are used today. I have watched numerous interviews with Zsigmond and also his friend cinematographer Laszlo Kovacs, and other filmmakers who acknowledge the groundbreaking aspects of this film as well as its unique beauty in both its style and its sound. It is irresponsible and immature for any filmmaker to make strong negative judgments of a film based on VHS copies made decades ago.
Tarantino has never really understood more cerebral visual directors like Altman, Malick and recently Nicolas Winding Refn. He's all about cinema that tells not shows but guys like Malick, even though dialogue is important, its the visual story telling that is far more important. McCabe & Mrs. Miller was mixed like that on purpose, i'm sure Altman would think Tarantino was an idiot for thinking otherwise.
I assume that neither of you know that you’re right. Robert Altman hated Tarantino. They hated eachother. Tarantino is a fan of a lot of his films, but actually Robert Altman denounced Quentin to his face multiple times of Quentin’s own recounting. Robert Altman did not understand Quentin’s style what so ever and I think this audio clip proved Tarantino didn’t get Altmans as much either. They tread the same genres very often but their approach to them is as wholey different as they were as people.
@@jesse9053 Thank you for writing this. I have heard Tarantino speak or write on a number of films and directors where he's completely misunderstood their work or dismiss them like he his statement he'd outgrown Goddard, a director who even in his 80's is pushing the boundaries of Cinema that Tarantino could only dream of doing.
@@TheKeggie keep in mind Tarantino is actually my second favorite director of all time. But with admiration comes study and study comes the understanding of the limits to other people’s understanding. It just seems like this film along with the long goodbye are being taken slightly more literally and absent of the understanding of nuance by Quentin and I have to assume that’s either personal bias or based on genuine misunderstanding. By the way I am not even the biggest fan of this movie but I do disagree with Quentin
Perhaps it's time someone tells Tarantino that his OPINIONS of various films and directors only says something about HIM and his taste and very little about whatever masterpiece or director he is criticizing.
It's funny that Tarantino says what he says about this movie. I felt the same way when I first saw Jackie Brown. Two more viewings and now it's my favorite film by him. Same with Hateful Eight. Takes too long to get going,but when it gets going, it's worth the wait. In fact,I think Hateful Eight took it's cue from McCabe and Mrs Miller in that sense
I get the *Jackie Brown* bit. I didn't hate it when I saw it in the theater, but I did feel it felt like a step down. Now I don't like it _better_ than *Pulp Fiction,* but I do love his 90's output more than his post 2000's work. *The Hateful Eight?* _PFFT!_ I _despise_ that movie. A 3 to 4 hour movie telling a 90 minute story. There is no mystery, and the one part of the script (the poison in the coffee being a surprise) was spoiled in the movie. No sir I didn't like it.
@@essaywhu yeah, realized what it was after I commented this lol. I thought this was going to be audio from the Starz intro he did for this movie about 20 years ago. Still cool to hear him talk about it though
I saw it at a drive-in theater when it first came out, a double feature with Straw Dogs, if you can imagine. Stayed with me, as did Straw Dogs. But i have watched and enjoyed McCabe many times since to just the once for Straw Dogs.
It literally sounds like he's describing The Hateful Eight. I cannot make it through that movie. He is usually so good at building suspense through his dialogue. Not in that movie though. Just when you think that movie is about to pick up and start getting interesting, they prematurely reveal the obvious twist and then the movie falls flat on its face and never recovers. I think he's officially become too full of himself to be able to make a truly great film ever again.
Tarantino can only dream he could make a movie half as good as McCabe. His comments were petty, mean spirited and envious - just like Tarantino himself.
I think A Wedding is Altman’s best film. Meanwhile, the best non-Altman Altman film was Smile, directed by Michael Ritchie in 1975 from Jerry Belson’s script.
I saw A Wedding on cable in the 1990s and loved it. About 15 years later I caught it on cable again, and I couldn't stand it, even though I had forgotten 95% of it and had that good memory to predispose me. Maybe third time's the charm?
It’s because it’s similar to his relationship to JLG. Altman & Tarantino had a falling out when Altman was promoting The Player & Tarantino for Res Dogs, I believe. Altman apparently made an ugly face to Tarantino afterwards their first encounter with each other once Tarantino told him he’d taken from his idea “trash pile”. Tarantino has stolen Altman’s shots & ran his name through the mud. Can’t blame the guy, he most likely looked up to Altman & he was disappointed. Problem is….Altman made great films…he can’t be labeled as just some Pothead.
@@Jesuslovesfilm2121 Similar to all the shade he's thrown Wes Craven. While him walking out of Dogs is ridiculous, you can imagine jokes about him in Scream 2 rubbing Quentin's ego the wrong way. He also went off on masterpiece Point Blank in his book because John Boorman supposedly criticised Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
I adore this movie, but the sound mix at the beginning is definitely dreadful. Ultimately the movie is too transcendent for that to matter, but it’s rough.
Years ago Tarantino recorded a bunch of intros to films for a series he was doing - ‘Tarantino takes over sky movies’ or something to that effect. It was around the time Death Proof released. He recorded an introduction to McCabe and Mrs Miller. It used to be on Yotube years ago but it was taken down. It was the same time he recorded an intro to There Will Be Blood, which I’ve seen reappear over the years. Please see if you can track down the McCabe & Mrs Miller intro. I’d love to watch it again. If I find it I’ll post a link.
Without being unduly dismissive, Tarantino has never done a film as good as McCabe and Mrs Miller. His films with their ‘70s soundtracks already don’t look so hip. His two best films, Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction he either didn’t write or had a co-writer. His idols are Russ Meyer and Sam Peckinpah, and that’s a long way from Bergman and Tarkovsky.
Hateful 8 seemed to be going in an interesting direction for a while until everyone inevitably shoots each other in the balls for an hour and I’m reminded it’s Tarantino. Shame bc I love westerns and some of his movies
Well Writer Gore Vidal and Warren Beatty were at a party . Beatty had an idea for a movie and wanted to recruit Vidal . Vidal told Beatty that he liked McCabe and Mrs. Miller . Beatty thanked Vidal and said he liked the results too . Gore Vidal then asked Warren Beatty if Robert Altman wrote all that for the film. Beatty honestly replied “ Well actually I did most of it “ Then Gore replied “ Well Warren if you write that well you don’t need me “ and Beatty just shrugged his shoulders.
Tarantino is full of himself... this movie is way above any other attempt to make you realize the reality of a frontier town, it's all there, the mud, the smell of horse shit and human manure, the melancholy of a nowhere town in 1902, which was actually built for the movie by actors and crews, as well as anyone wanting to participate in that project... and what a masterpiece this was ! The music by Leonard Cohen is haunting to a degree of sublime atmospheric splendor, the realism of the times is poignant and crude to make you shiver with cold sweat at the impressionism on offer, it's in my view one of the best movie of all times !
I can't listen to Tarantino on any subject without thinking..."why doesn't a film editor stand up to you?" His recent films could all use a meat cleaver
Because of the hosts' laughter, I couldn't hear what Tarrantino recounted Warren Beatty as having said about what "that pothead" would never have been able to do. Was Tarrantino saying that Beatty said that Robert Altman could never have elicited the performance Julie Christie gave?
Probably my favorite western. Why? Because it's anti western. Westerns are really not my favorite genre. But I like Altman's movie and Cohen songs were miracles.
@@Malt454 well I get it. The westerns became grittier and the characters are not John Wayne heroes. Come to think of it, I also like Pat Garett and Billy the Kid. The Wild Bunch not really, it's mostly aimless and too long.
@@m1lst3r89- I'd argue that it's not just that the characters are grittier; it's that the West becomes a place where the moral man not only won't win but can't win - either the environment will seduce him, or he will simply go under. Pat Garett and Billy the Kid are a good example of this, but maybe the most extreme was Heaven's Gate.
I know it's blasphemy, but I'm really not an Altman fan, and back when I first watched this it just seemed to be confirming everything about the man's style. For the first half hour I was just miserable and thought, how do I keep getting talked into watching these godawful Altman flicks? And then, without even really noticing it was happening, I got more and more interested and caught up in what was going on, and by the end I was completely hooked. Like Quentin, I walked away thinking the last fifteen minutes or so was some of the most brilliant film I'd ever seen.
I caught the restored version late 80’s in the theater, no problem with the audio, everything clear yet still had the rough edge of people talking over one another. Sort of like the Iggy remix remaster of Raw Power which has more clarity than the original album release yet the levels in the red, just as corrosive sounding if not more so than the Bowie produced version. Someone said if Altman set out to make an anti-western he failed because McCabe and Mrs. Miller is a pretty damn good western. In my top 10 of all time great westerns. I like QT’s 90’s, haven’t cared for much of what he’s done since. The best of Jackie Brown might come the closest but he’s never touched McCabe.
It's true, the technical errors are exaggerated on VHS, DVD and BluRay. When you see a print of this, even 16mm, from 40+ feet away, much less noticable are the sound mix, the Vaseline on and around the lens, and the unrealistic snow effect used in the ending. On a TV 10 feet away, or a PC monitor 3 feet away, these are sheer torture.during a sublime experience. Could a print or negative without the snow exist?
That's not vaseline on the lens, read up on how the effect was accomplished, I'm tired of explaining it to fools. What's with the level of willfully ignorant comments on this movie? Have any of these critics a clue how this movie was made??
While I dig the film, I do not dig the cinematography. Criterion released this both on blu-ray and 4K and it is still a muddy mess... I really do not understand what Vilmos or Robert Altman were thinking when filming this.
Sometimes QT just talks out of his ass and has childishly simple opinions on things. I love the guy, his films, and can listen to him talk about movies all day...even though sometimes he just sounds like a total loon. You can pick up on his petty biases the more you listen to his interviews and podcasts. He has weird sticks up his ass about the most inane shit - like his rant about how much he hated Dan O'Bannon and had never seen Return of the Living Dead and other films because of it. Never said why he hated Dan O'Bannon...just that he did and refused to watch his movies. It took him watching Dark Star for Video Archives for him to loosen up. This interview clip here has that same kind of petty, not-grounded-in-reason stubbornness. "The first reel has a terrible mix." I'm not editing and audio mixing expert. But I hear nothing particularly wrong with the mix in this film - it's the typical Altman trademark of overlapping dialogue and half-caught conversations. Some of the ADR is a tad obvious, sure. But that's pretty common in general during that period of filmmaking.
QT had to have nailed the reason why I've never watched the whole movie. I get started and lose my interest real fast. It's probably that first reel mix that turns me off to it. I've always heard it's a superb movie so I'll have to get past that point next chance I have to watch it.
Ah, this old film-school albatross. Y'all are welcome to it. I'm glad Quentin was able to acquire a pristine 35mm Technicolor print, but that won't help viewers who have less quality than that. Maybe Criterion cleaned it up? If so, they had their work cut out. Inaudible and unviewable finally becomes un-care-able. This applies to most of Altman's movies until "The Player", which one could actually see and hear (no wonder it was successful). Meantime, to hear one's long-standing opinion of 40 years about "McCabe" be reinforced by a famous director whom one (usually) admires is a nice way to start the day. Btw, "influenced" can be a kind way of saying, "somebody did it better", and boy-howdy, that's true here. "Deadwood" IS great, yes. And I'm pretty sure Q.T. made "H8teful Eight" to get the look of the cold Northwest right. And he did!
You couldn't see or hear Mash, California split, the long goodbye, three women, Nashville, Secret honor, come back to the five and dime or Brewster McCloud ? This sounds more like a you problem
@@GoWithHim1 "The Long Goodbye" was a bit better than the others, but it's not just a "me problem", it's a me and Quentin problem. Perhaps you didn't watch this clip.
So while Tarantino rambles on about how "terrible" Altman's movie starts both visually and audibly, Stanley Kubrick called Altman up personally right after the movie came out because he wanted to know how Altman got the shot of Beatty lighting the cigar on the bridge (which he absolutely loved), which is a beautiful contrast of the bright burst of flame in the grainy shot at dusk. McCabe and Mrs. Miller is an absolute masterpiece in every sense, and I'm obviously not alone in that assessment. I don't mind anybody sharing an opinion, and I certainly don't mind someone not liking something that I'm fond of, because to each his own. But when Tarantino tries to imply the opening was "sub standard" amateur hour, he's obviously got a personal thing with Altman, because it's the non-polished, grainy, hazy, almost muddied feel of this out in the middle of nowhere northwest town in 1902 America that sets the stage for a truly magnificent film on so many levels.
Turns out Tarantino liked the movie. It just took him a while. Which in its way nullifies his criticism and is an acknowledgment that that his original criticism was misplaced and unfair.
You won’t ever forget the first time you see this movie; extremely visceral and the soundtrack sets the tone.
Such haunting beauty, yes, esp from Leonard Cohen’s songs, bizarre it took Tarantino so long to appreciate
Vilmos Zsigmond, Leonard Cohen and that "shitty" sound mix are what make it great.
A cropped VHS of a Panavision movie? Few movies survived that fate.
Idk but a lot of Vilmos work in the early 1970s is just grainy, probably for artistic reasons but not wholesome as well. I never liked the cinematography of Deliverance, even though it has very interesting setting.
True, it's a great film overall
@@m1lst3r89 They "flashed" the film to give it that blown out blurry effect, or "old timey" look. As per wikipedia:
In cinematography and photography, flashing is the exposure of the film or digital sensors to uniform light prior to exposing them to the scene. It is used as a method of contrast control to bring out detail in darker areas. This adds a bias to the overall light input recorded by the sensor.
"McCabe & Mrs. Miller" is a masterpiece. It's not more complicated than that.
"Masterpiece" is utterly subjective so it's absolutely more complicated than that.
@@Levipaulsen Call the movie whatever you want. It doesn’t matter to me. But if you were to characterize that film as, for instance, “uninteresting” or “mediocre” or “decent,” it would tell me a hell of a lot more about you than it would about “McCabe & Mrs. Miller.”
@@georgekleinfelter7041 lol so basically you don't like when people disagree with your movie takes
@@Levipaulsen No. It just reveals data about you. Anything we do reveals data about us - e.g., how we act when we drive, how we behave when we’re confronted with bad news, etc. I would say, though, that across two comments now, you’ve revealed more data about yourself than you likely intended.
@@georgekleinfelter7041 lol said the person who makes massive comments every time
What a moronic take on a cinematic masterpiece. And the first reel is perfect.
This movie was an influence on HBOs Deadwood
Deadwood completes McCabe & Mrs Miller. Stunning series. On the one hand I would have liked more seasons but on the other the 3 seasons were just right. Then there was the movie. I always liked Altman but IMO this movie was not his best. (But still better than most.)
As an avid Old west history enthusiast, I consider McCabe & Mrs Miller like a documentary film. This is the closest movie to how the American frontier must have tasted like. It's a Masterpiece
I love the audio mixing in the first few scenes, especially the bar in the beginning with the drunk talk and card games and everything. It's immersive, making the action incidental and the audience a fly on the wall.
I like Tarantino but, McCabe and Mrs Miller is way more impactful than any of his own westerns in my opinion. Also the unconventional sound mix is really interesting in the film, gives it that particular atmosphere that only Altman could pull off.
Altman takes risks.
Tarantino doesn't.
That's why Tarantino will never understand Altman.
The images are superb in the film. Beautifully nihilistic.
I love how the audio in this interview about bad audio is fucked up 🤌
If you told me you thought McCabe & Mrs. Miller was the greatest film ever made, I would not disagree. From his films and hearing him talk, I'm not sure Tarantino has the ability to appreciate the sadness this film captures so beautifully. And it's Altman, not Beatty, bringing that to the table.
I’ll have a whiskey and egg
Beatty is a good if uneven director. Altman is a giant, who occasionally was uneven. But even his weaker films are worth knowing and studying.
Altman dipped down in the 1980s and 1990s (with the only exception of The Player) but that's it.
@@m1lst3r89 um, no. Vincent and Theo, Gosford Park, Come Back to the 5 and Dime Jimmy Dean, Short Cuts, Secret Honour… he continued making unique and great films right up to the end.
@@ronbock8291 Short Cuts is long and overwritten and largely pointless, Gosford a run of the mill, Jimmy Dean forgettable at least. The rest I didn't see. Nadine is pretty stupid film from him.
This is an AMAZING movie, a true cinematic classic.
I saw this several times on the big screen when it first came out and it was phenomenal. The sound mix is not dreadful. It is innovative and evocative and establishes character, mood and atmosphere, just as the “golden hued” cinematography and overcast skies create a period look. Today all those visuals and audio effects are achieved digitally which everyone accepts without any criticism. Decisions were deliberate, techniques that are now commonplace were first tried by him and Altman more or less created the new style of sound recording & mixing that are used today. I have watched numerous interviews with Zsigmond and also his friend cinematographer Laszlo Kovacs, and other filmmakers who acknowledge the groundbreaking aspects of this film as well as its unique beauty in both its style and its sound. It is irresponsible and immature for any filmmaker to make strong negative judgments of a film based on VHS copies made decades ago.
Tarantino has never really understood more cerebral visual directors like Altman, Malick and recently Nicolas Winding Refn. He's all about cinema that tells not shows but guys like Malick, even though dialogue is important, its the visual story telling that is far more important. McCabe & Mrs. Miller was mixed like that on purpose, i'm sure Altman would think Tarantino was an idiot for thinking otherwise.
Altman would probably hate QT for the sake of it.
I assume that neither of you know that you’re right. Robert Altman hated Tarantino. They hated eachother. Tarantino is a fan of a lot of his films, but actually Robert Altman denounced Quentin to his face multiple times of Quentin’s own recounting. Robert Altman did not understand Quentin’s style what so ever and I think this audio clip proved Tarantino didn’t get Altmans as much either. They tread the same genres very often but their approach to them is as wholey different as they were as people.
@@jesse9053 Thank you for writing this. I have heard Tarantino speak or write on a number of films and directors where he's completely misunderstood their work or dismiss them like he his statement he'd outgrown Goddard, a director who even in his 80's is pushing the boundaries of Cinema that Tarantino could only dream of doing.
@@TheKeggie keep in mind Tarantino is actually my second favorite director of all time. But with admiration comes study and study comes the understanding of the limits to other people’s understanding. It just seems like this film along with the long goodbye are being taken slightly more literally and absent of the understanding of nuance by Quentin and I have to assume that’s either personal bias or based on genuine misunderstanding.
By the way I am not even the biggest fan of this movie but I do disagree with Quentin
@@jesse9053Christopher Nolan your Number one ?
I remember the first time I saw it with subtitles my mind was kinda blown by all the dialogue I couldn't hear before.
Perhaps it's time someone tells Tarantino that his OPINIONS of various films and directors only says something about HIM and his taste and very little about whatever masterpiece or director he is criticizing.
It's funny that Tarantino says what he says about this movie. I felt the same way when I first saw Jackie Brown. Two more viewings and now it's my favorite film by him. Same with Hateful Eight. Takes too long to get going,but when it gets going, it's worth the wait. In fact,I think Hateful Eight took it's cue from McCabe and Mrs Miller in that sense
Lol I hated Taxi Driver at the first watching.
Man a lot of people don’t like The Hateful Eight, but I think it is fantastic. I’ll take it any day over Inglourious Basterds or OUATIH.
I get the *Jackie Brown* bit. I didn't hate it when I saw it in the theater, but I did feel it felt like a step down. Now I don't like it _better_ than *Pulp Fiction,* but I do love his 90's output more than his post 2000's work.
*The Hateful Eight?* _PFFT!_ I _despise_ that movie. A 3 to 4 hour movie telling a 90 minute story. There is no mystery, and the one part of the script (the poison in the coffee being a surprise) was spoiled in the movie. No sir I didn't like it.
The Hateful 8 sucks. I cannot believe hoe QT did Kurt Russell's character like that.
I’ve been searching for this clip for years. Thank you!
? This audio is from a podcast from January 2024… he’s talking about the February 2024 calendar at the Vista Theater.
@@essaywhu yeah, realized what it was after I commented this lol. I thought this was going to be audio from the Starz intro he did for this movie about 20 years ago. Still cool to hear him talk about it though
Tarantino must be a good friend to have irl, he's always down for watching and talking about movies.
How can he champion so many shitty grindhouse movies and complain about Altman's sound? Goddamn, Refn is less pretentious.
Love it, great film.
Me too
Isn't that Altman's thing, having over lapping dialogue and you can't quite hear what they are saying? I figured the "bad" mix was intentional.
He really loves discrediting and disparaging people.
I saw it at a drive-in theater when it first came out, a double feature with Straw Dogs, if you can imagine. Stayed with me, as did Straw Dogs. But i have watched and enjoyed McCabe many times since to just the once for Straw Dogs.
I watched this on VHS back in the 1990s. Now I see that there is a 4K UHD DVD available from the Criterion Collection.
It literally sounds like he's describing The Hateful Eight. I cannot make it through that movie. He is usually so good at building suspense through his dialogue. Not in that movie though. Just when you think that movie is about to pick up and start getting interesting, they prematurely reveal the obvious twist and then the movie falls flat on its face and never recovers. I think he's officially become too full of himself to be able to make a truly great film ever again.
Completely agree.
Tarantino can only dream he could make a movie half as good as McCabe. His comments were petty, mean spirited and envious - just like Tarantino himself.
I mean. I don't agree with his initial comments, but if you actually watch the video he really likes the film.
I think A Wedding is Altman’s best film. Meanwhile, the best non-Altman Altman film was Smile, directed by Michael Ritchie in 1975 from Jerry Belson’s script.
I saw A Wedding on cable in the 1990s and loved it. About 15 years later I caught it on cable again, and I couldn't stand it, even though I had forgotten 95% of it and had that good memory to predispose me. Maybe third time's the charm?
I like Tarantino’s movies, but he’s so full of it when he talks about Altman.
It’s because it’s similar to his relationship to JLG. Altman & Tarantino had a falling out when Altman was promoting The Player & Tarantino for Res Dogs, I believe. Altman apparently made an ugly face to Tarantino afterwards their first encounter with each other once Tarantino told him he’d taken from his idea “trash pile”. Tarantino has stolen Altman’s shots & ran his name through the mud. Can’t blame the guy, he most likely looked up to Altman & he was disappointed. Problem is….Altman made great films…he can’t be labeled as just some Pothead.
Yeah, you can still blame the guy. He's extremely petty. He always likes to shit on Kubrick too. @@Jesuslovesfilm2121
@@Jesuslovesfilm2121 Similar to all the shade he's thrown Wes Craven. While him walking out of Dogs is ridiculous, you can imagine jokes about him in Scream 2 rubbing Quentin's ego the wrong way. He also went off on masterpiece Point Blank in his book because John Boorman supposedly criticised Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
I adore this movie, but the sound mix at the beginning is definitely dreadful. Ultimately the movie is too transcendent for that to matter, but it’s rough.
Even though I love Nashville and The Long Goodbye, I agree with Tarantino; Hippie western is garbage, its only "merit" is deconstructing something.
Years ago Tarantino recorded a bunch of intros to films for a series he was doing - ‘Tarantino takes over sky movies’ or something to that effect. It was around the time Death Proof released. He recorded an introduction to McCabe and Mrs Miller. It used to be on Yotube years ago but it was taken down. It was the same time he recorded an intro to There Will Be Blood, which I’ve seen reappear over the years. Please see if you can track down the McCabe & Mrs Miller intro. I’d love to watch it again. If I find it I’ll post a link.
The Sky movie intros are on youtube. I saw watched them a couple months ago.
The mix is like that for a reason he wants everyone to talk at once
McCabe and Mrs Miller and MASH are amazing
I loved this movie from first watch!
IMAGES is one of his best, peak altman, doing a psychological thriller!!!
He should be embarrassed cause a pothead has at least 10 films better than anything Tarantino ever made.
Without being unduly dismissive, Tarantino has never done a film as good as McCabe and Mrs Miller. His films with their ‘70s soundtracks already don’t look so hip. His two best films, Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction he either didn’t write or had a co-writer. His idols are Russ Meyer and Sam Peckinpah, and that’s a long way from Bergman and Tarkovsky.
His idols are DePalma, Sergio Leone and Howard Hawks.
@@m1lst3r89 no they’re not
@@Njbear7453 yes he said that many times.
@@m1lst3r89 his idols are Richard Pryor , David Mamet, Sam Peckinpah
@@Njbear7453 Tarantino's idols those aforementioned certainly ain't.
Thanks for crediting our podcast Pure Cinema and linking to it 👍
Neither of his western movies can even touch McCabe and Mrs. Miller. They don't even come close. Especially The Hateful Eight.
I’ve watched this movie at least 10 times. I will never watch Hateful 8 ever again.
I'm a big western fan and was majorly disappointed with the hateful eight
@@tonypine3434 on re-watch it feels like a different movie . Definitely give it another try
I think The Hateful Eight really wanted to be The Great Silence... but was afraid to stay out in the snow.
Tarantino praised the movie at the end.
Hateful 8 seemed to be going in an interesting direction for a while until everyone inevitably shoots each other in the balls for an hour and I’m reminded it’s Tarantino. Shame bc I love westerns and some of his movies
Piss off Quentin. This beats any of your comical movies. This is the real deal.
I walked out of the theatre - incomprehensible
Altman's filmmaking style with the overlapping dialogue and free-form camera seemed more a middle finger to traditional movie making.
Well Writer Gore Vidal and Warren Beatty were at a party . Beatty had an idea for a movie and wanted to recruit Vidal . Vidal told Beatty that he liked McCabe and Mrs. Miller . Beatty thanked Vidal and said he liked the results too . Gore Vidal then asked Warren Beatty if Robert Altman wrote all that for the film. Beatty honestly replied “ Well actually I did most of it “ Then Gore replied “ Well Warren if you write that well you don’t need me “ and Beatty just shrugged his shoulders.
Tarantino is full of himself... this movie is way above any other attempt to make you realize the reality of a frontier town, it's all there, the mud, the smell of horse shit and human manure, the melancholy of a nowhere town in 1902, which was actually built for the movie by actors and crews, as well as anyone wanting to participate in that project... and what a masterpiece this was !
The music by Leonard Cohen is haunting to a degree of sublime atmospheric splendor, the realism of the times is poignant and crude to make you shiver with cold sweat at the impressionism on offer, it's in my view one of the best movie of all times !
I can't listen to Tarantino on any subject without thinking..."why doesn't a film editor stand up to you?"
His recent films could all use a meat cleaver
It's a symptom of Sally Menke's tragic passing.
Same could be said for the recent films of Scorsese and Miyazaki. Headstrong auteurs with a lot of career gravitas.
Pretty sure this movie influenced Deadwood
Because of the hosts' laughter, I couldn't hear what Tarrantino recounted Warren Beatty as having said about what "that pothead" would never have been able to do. Was Tarrantino saying that Beatty said that Robert Altman could never have elicited the performance Julie Christie gave?
Don't worry it's just Tarantino making up BS cause he dislikes Altman a lot and doesn't want to give him credit for a masterpiece of a film.
Probably my favorite western. Why? Because it's anti western. Westerns are really not my favorite genre. But I like Altman's movie and Cohen songs were miracles.
Like Doc, it deconstructs the small western the same way that The Wild Bunch and Once Upon A Time In The West deconstructs the epic western.
anti westerns and westerns are not the same. hope this helps!
That being said I love a good old fashioned western, but this works well and created a new western genre.
@@Malt454 well I get it. The westerns became grittier and the characters are not John Wayne heroes. Come to think of it, I also like Pat Garett and Billy the Kid. The Wild Bunch not really, it's mostly aimless and too long.
@@m1lst3r89- I'd argue that it's not just that the characters are grittier; it's that the West becomes a place where the moral man not only won't win but can't win - either the environment will seduce him, or he will simply go under. Pat Garett and Billy the Kid are a good example of this, but maybe the most extreme was Heaven's Gate.
Very slow, muddled film. Quentin's right, Altman's dope use affected alot of his films.
Well, at least in the end he got it. He just watched a bad print, maybe maturity acted a bit in his new judgement.
Tarantino doesn't like Altman.
I assume most of the commenters have seen it on dvd and not vhs
cant really compare it to the versions hes bringing up here
Altman is the GOAT
Martin Scorcese and Francis Ford Coppola are better
I really want to watch it for a long time
It's very good, do it
1:08 “I asked Warren Beaty and he goes…”. WHAT??
Tarantino making up BS cause he dislikes Altman a lot and doesn't want to give him credit for a masterpiece of a film.
What is this channel? Are these videos just excerpts from other shows?
I know it's blasphemy, but I'm really not an Altman fan, and back when I first watched this it just seemed to be confirming everything about the man's style. For the first half hour I was just miserable and thought, how do I keep getting talked into watching these godawful Altman flicks? And then, without even really noticing it was happening, I got more and more interested and caught up in what was going on, and by the end I was completely hooked. Like Quentin, I walked away thinking the last fifteen minutes or so was some of the most brilliant film I'd ever seen.
The English actor/director, Richard wilson believes Tarantino is 'Very overrated as a director'.
He copies the best that’s it.He has came up with nothing new I’ve seen.
QT is a bonehead.
I caught the restored version late 80’s in the theater, no problem with the audio, everything clear yet still had the rough edge of people talking over one another. Sort of like the Iggy remix remaster of Raw Power which has more clarity than the original album release yet the levels in the red, just as corrosive sounding if not more so than the Bowie produced version. Someone said if Altman set out to make an anti-western he failed because McCabe and Mrs. Miller is a pretty damn good western. In my top 10 of all time great westerns. I like QT’s 90’s, haven’t cared for much of what he’s done since. The best of Jackie Brown might come the closest but he’s never touched McCabe.
Man these comments have attracted some pretentious a-hopes.
redditors came out of the woodwork to say a western isnt a western lol
Tarantino fans are something else lmao 😂😂😂😂
It's true, the technical errors are exaggerated on VHS, DVD and BluRay. When you see a print of this, even 16mm, from 40+ feet away, much less noticable are the sound mix, the Vaseline on and around the lens, and the unrealistic snow effect used in the ending. On a TV 10 feet away, or a PC monitor 3 feet away, these are sheer torture.during a sublime experience. Could a print or negative without the snow exist?
it was shot in an actual snowstorm
That's not vaseline on the lens, read up on how the effect was accomplished, I'm tired of explaining it to fools.
What's with the level of willfully ignorant comments on this movie?
Have any of these critics a clue how this movie was made??
While I dig the film, I do not dig the cinematography. Criterion released this both on blu-ray and 4K and it is still a muddy mess... I really do not understand what Vilmos or Robert Altman were thinking when filming this.
the "bad sound" didn't bother me but the the fake snow that looks like an iMovie effect did a little bit.
Yeh especially towards the end
Read up...the snowstorm was real.
Know what you're talking about before flapping your lips.
@@ffrederickskitty4607 that's why no snow falls on any of the actors right? read up
I love the film but the audio is bad and the versions (not RUclips) I've seen are blurry as hell. Looking forward to the 4k remaster.
Beatty's hair is a character in the movie
Altman is forcing his audience to pay attention. Tarantino can be an idiot at times.
Often heard that Altman hated all the acclaimed films. Just about...
Weird going from hating a movie to loving it. I don’t quite believe it.
Wait a minuite .... this flick was reported to be on Tarintino's "best westerns" list. Now he's trashing it. What gives?
Sure back in the video era there were washed out copies. Criterion and Janus were among others were the best.
Love this western and sorry Quentin it will always outrank your 2 westerns(loose base on westerns)
Sometimes QT just talks out of his ass and has childishly simple opinions on things. I love the guy, his films, and can listen to him talk about movies all day...even though sometimes he just sounds like a total loon.
You can pick up on his petty biases the more you listen to his interviews and podcasts. He has weird sticks up his ass about the most inane shit - like his rant about how much he hated Dan O'Bannon and had never seen Return of the Living Dead and other films because of it. Never said why he hated Dan O'Bannon...just that he did and refused to watch his movies.
It took him watching Dark Star for Video Archives for him to loosen up.
This interview clip here has that same kind of petty, not-grounded-in-reason stubbornness. "The first reel has a terrible mix." I'm not editing and audio mixing expert. But I hear nothing particularly wrong with the mix in this film - it's the typical Altman trademark of overlapping dialogue and half-caught conversations. Some of the ADR is a tad obvious, sure. But that's pretty common in general during that period of filmmaking.
Quit drinking
Criterion time
Altman's previous movie was good.
I had to turn it off because the movie was impossible to look at. I didn't like the cinematography at all.
Makes me lose enormous respect for egomaniac Tarantino
Hateful 8, so boring, why can’t Tarantino write dialogue that doesn’t sound like him
Yuck. Yuck. Mcabe is a masterpiece. Tarantino never made anything as good.
Django Unchained is better than this film.
Awful movie. Awful story. Shot awful. You're all drunk on phony art.
low key the long goodbye kinda has the same issue
One of the hardest films I’ve sat through. I think Altman has better.
I found most of Robert Altman's movies pretentious.
I can agree with that when it comes to Last Goodbye.
@@m1lst3r89 it's the Long Goodbye nerd
@@nachum0041 thank you 🙄
@@m1lst3r89 you have no swag and no bitches
I'm glad somebody agree with me about Altman's films.
Buffalo Bill and The Indians is another Altman film that is unbearable to watch, You ask yourself.."who's in charge on this movie set?"
QT had to have nailed the reason why I've never watched the whole movie. I get started and lose my interest real fast. It's probably that first reel mix that turns me off to it. I've always heard it's a superb movie so I'll have to get past that point next chance I have to watch it.
Ah, this old film-school albatross. Y'all are welcome to it. I'm glad Quentin was able to acquire a pristine 35mm Technicolor print, but that won't help viewers who have less quality than that. Maybe Criterion cleaned it up? If so, they had their work cut out. Inaudible and unviewable finally becomes un-care-able. This applies to most of Altman's movies until "The Player", which one could actually see and hear (no wonder it was successful). Meantime, to hear one's long-standing opinion of 40 years about "McCabe" be reinforced by a famous director whom one (usually) admires is a nice way to start the day. Btw, "influenced" can be a kind way of saying, "somebody did it better", and boy-howdy, that's true here. "Deadwood" IS great, yes. And I'm pretty sure Q.T. made "H8teful Eight" to get the look of the cold Northwest right. And he did!
Do you know why the technical aspects of it were so poor?
You couldn't see or hear Mash, California split, the long goodbye, three women, Nashville, Secret honor, come back to the five and dime or Brewster McCloud ? This sounds more like a you problem
@@q-q__b4175 😂does it matter?
@@GoWithHim1 "The Long Goodbye" was a bit better than the others, but it's not just a "me problem", it's a me and Quentin problem. Perhaps you didn't watch this clip.
@@classiclife7204 - Having the same problems as Quentin isn't, in itself, a virtue or a credential, but to each their own.
Let Tarantino enjoy his shitty print. I do with my restored BD.
Damnnnnn, Tarantino throwing shade at Altman