Yes, so important to check OUR motives...pride will get us almost every time. Humble heart, with tenderness, love and truth...Gentleness and meekness but solid as a rock!
2:09 I was called out in Church 7 years ago by my Pastor, his wife and his his brother in law because first off I wasn't listening to my family and so called friends. However, I was going to church but I was high, drunk and having unhealthy relationships while going. So at that time they my church all kept telling me that God don't bless a mess!!! And man 0 man did that make me mad in the beginning, but it was the best thing that they did for me. And I respect them more today then I did then. And now May 20th was 7 years that I have been clean and sober thank God for Him laying down that way because it made me change for the better.
I love this. I see so many Christians on social media trying to call out everyone’s sin at and then using the excuse that it’s our job to call out sin. But there is no conversation. There is no grace. It’s like they just think it’s their job to go around calling out the sins of complete strangers then when nobody wants to listen to them, they get all high and mighty. It’s embarrassing.
Exactly, I feel the same way about people calling out false teachers. Where all they'll do is call some famous pastors they don't like a false teacher or a snake, but not go over what theological issues or core tenet of the faith they got wrong, or try to see if said pastor has corrected themselves or has a history of preaching false things 🤦🏿♂.
@@CLDJ227 Yup! And notice how those folks will tell you all the "false teachers" to stay away from but never tell you who is good to listen to? If you are a new believer it can be confusing because it seems like folks call everyone they disagree with a false teacher and they ever guide you toward who they think you should listen to. Sure there are false teachers out there but often Christians toss out that term to anyone they have a disagreement with.
To be fair to them, it can be incredibly hard to convey tone through text. Generally, I try to make my own points clear by being very verbose, and speaking to them the way I would a grandparent. As a very broad generality though, most don't have the patience to read (or write) long comments. There seems to be a tendency for "sound bites", which I think is an indication that social media is more about the _media_ than it is the _social._ I've tried to speak to people with kindness, deference, etc. but typically get one of three responses: "I'm not reading all of that" "That's a lot of words to justify you hating XYZ" or some strawman of, "Oh, you think this, then you HAVE TO think this completely unrelated thing! See how terrible you are!?" I'm not justifying the sneering that goes on, I think it's a very bad tendency. But I get it. I think the correct answer is to abstain from social media platforms that encourage that kind of speech - it's purpose-built to divide.
Well said, Pastor Mike! "Check your heart" is one of the wisest things we should keep close to our hearts, mind, and tongue, something that should be pondered in everything we do.
Amen, I agree. Sometimes I feel like I can be so “justified” in my thought process about things until you really think things through soberly. What helps me is thinking about the cross, and the grace and mercy that has been poured out on me. Letting Jesus and his sacrifice be the very filter of how I think these issues through. It makes me think of the wicked servant of the parable the Lord told to Peter about forgiveness and mercy. God bless you!
❤❤ Romans 10:9-11 KJV 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
I was radically saved by God's extreme mercy in 2016, during a near death experience. God removed cursing and alcohol from me almost immediately upon my salvation, but I was still having sex outside of marriage, and had no idea I was committing sin. I didn't even understand what sin was. God sent 3 people to me to tell me to quit it, and I still didn't understand why, but I received the conviction with a soft heart. Thankfully God also put it on my heart to buy my first ever bible and feast on it daily, and He led me to the scriptures showing me fornication, and once I had a full understanding that I was sinning against a holy God, I felt horribly remorseful and repented for like a month, and cut it out. I think it's also helpful if we share the supporting scriptures when convicting someone, because had someone taken the time to show me in the scriptures why I needed to stop, etc, it would have helped me understand. I don't feel led to convict my siblings in Christ much, because although God convicted me to stop cursing, etc, it just doesn't seem like a huge issue. Now if I knew someone walking in infidelity, I would pull out the scriptures showing them how it's going outside of God's designed order, the dangers that come with it, etc, and I would try to talk to them, but like Mike says, there are a lot of "Christians" that enjoy calling people out in general, to make themselves appear more holy/religious....like Pharisees, and that's not serving God well, IMO.
Wow I actually really like your take. It seems like you've actually put some thought into this and learned from your personal experience. My hats off to you.
@@DiggitySlice Thank you :) I think I had to put thought into this because I was such a wretch and needed/need a lot of sanctification...lol I was so ignorant to who God/Jesus truly are, sin, the bible, etc, and I'm sure those that called me out did so with good intentions. I know that if God can guide me into sanctification through His Word, He will guide anyone into their own sanctification walk too. I think sanctification is a lifelong process, and I still have a long ways to go. For the most part I just try to encourage everyone I can to read the bible for themselves daily, because in my experience, that's all it took. But also because of my experience, I know the dangers of fornication, and I do feel it's my duty to forewarn and show others of those dangers, because it can cause serious negative spiritual issues. I think that's a biggie sin that can truly wreak major havoc. It cracked me up when Mike stated in this video that Jesus would have been constantly calling out sin, because that was me when I was saved...lol But to call people out for things like cursing, that seems silly to me. I just pray for them that God guides them in their sanctification journey.
I love reading people's testimonies, your awesome man. I hope God blesses you with a wife and if He has already then I pray God blesses you and your family with a long God-filled happy life 😊
Thanks I’ve been struggling with something with my brother. And I’m trying my best to warn him. Guys please pray that my brother turns to the lord. God bless you all. ❤
Yes, if they are in willful sin, that’s good of you to call them out. Open rebuke is better than secret Love proverbs 27:5. So you’re loving them when you do that, All willful sin must go. It says at least five times in the New Testament.
@@heavnxbound even if he’s a Christian or not a Christian, first Corinthians 14:3 applies so that he can become a Christian-, to build up, strengthen and encourage everyone about the Lord! You can test yourself by witnessing to people every day and do the great commission. This shows that you really care about them going to heaven & escaping hell!
I have an issue with Christians holding not yet believers to the standards of the Bible. I believe that a believer can carefully and lovingly ask questions to help a fellow believer work out what the issue is x
@@Eternal_Hope_Q so, since you mentioned the word “Christian” in the third person, what’s your doubt? I can convince you that Jesus rose from the dead pretty quick Plus, a plethora of evidence! You cannot out psychologize the Bible for God not to throw you into hell for all eternity. In other words, you cannot come up with a good enough excuse here and now, so you will not be able to on judgment day. If you say you did not want to be born, God is going to say you should’ve been born again, that means become a Christian so that’s not gonna work. And there are no other excuses try to think of one. So now you know for the first time in your life, that the Bible is smarter than you and it is a steel trap, smarter than all of mankind, What should you do then? So at least investigate and look to see that these things are true, because right now you just learned the Bible is smarter than you, and you will be accountable for your life on judgment day before God! Prophecy, the Bible is 27% prophecy, that’s future history written in advance. God‘s really sticking his neck out to get it cut off he’s wrong but he hasn’t been wrong about the thousands of prophecies that were fulfilled, so he’ll be right about the end of the world prophecies as well and you’ll have no excuse on judgment day for not looking for truth! Caveat: you cannot look for God in times of chaos says Isaiah 45:19, so you better do it now. In other words,You’ll be too worried about your own survival when chaos hits, than your eternal destiny! Statistic probability of 40 writers writing the Bible with zero margin of deviation, proves God wrote the Bible through the 40 writers! God authored the Bible! DNA does not auto encrypt, the code writer is outside of the code of the 3300000,000,000 lines of computer code in the human genome of our DNA! So who wrote the code to such sophistication? 1,000,000 seconds is 12 days, 1,000,000,000 seconds is 32 years! That’s the difference between 1 million and 1 billion! One person’s DNA could fill the Grand Canyon up to 50 times full of books. John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did, the world wouldn’t have enough room for the books telling of it.“ this verse would be fulfilled! Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“! Psalm 139 is about the human body! ◦
Colossians 4:6 is a good guideline for this issue: "Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone."
Most people do Not have a license to call you out. Some people called me out in public, often incorrectly. Being gruff (no cursing involved) is not something to call out in public. Gentleness is Not in most Christian church members. Matthew 18's requirement to speak privately to that person humbly works really well! Thank You Very Much!!
That's the problem with this anti cussing teaching. Christians start thinking that you can say whatever you want as long as you don't use bad words. That's not what those passages are about.
@@DiggitySlice I don't think you understand. I was not trying to hurt anyone. I think Mr. Winger was trying to say that we don't point it out unless we are in relationship with the person. I found out that I have a minor speech impediment that makes me come across as being gruff. Sounding gruff to church people can be from something else. People calling others out for every single little thing is Not what Jesus did, and we should not either.
The “consider yourself lest you also be tempted” part I had interpreted differently. I understood it to be saying that you should be careful around that person so you don’t fall into the same sin as them while in the midst of confronting it. For example, I was trying to restore my sister as she struggles with an eating disorder, but in the process I began to suffer from the effects of her toxic thinking and had to remove myself lest I start developing disorders of my own. I thought the passage was saying something along those lines.
A verse that immediately comes to my mind is James 4:17. While it doesnt give us the way to do it, it tells us when it is we need to do some sort of action
I think this is a clear way theBible speaks to me on this issue and I think it tells me to confront more than people seem in general inclined to to tell is appropriate or okay. When to confront sin, and not to, then, becomes a personal question and as such not something another person can tell you like "it's not your place." It also removes the need of further scripture to guide us in each specific situation.
Seek the leading of the Holy Spirit, He knows what is in the heart and knows why people do what they do. More importantly He is able to provide the right approach - words, when and how you should go about the correction. Above all, He is the One that is able to convict of sin, righteousness and judgement. May God make us His ambassadors.
Thank you for this video. I literally prayed about this last night because I have family members who are still holding grudges towards each other to this day and something needs to be said. So much pride in the family.
What do you consider holding a grudge? I finally walked away from some family after years of unrepentent abuse & usary. The religious teachings from a young age is what kept me in the relationships, turning the other cheek and forgiving, until finally I could take it no more and realized there was no way, this is what God wanted for me.
@@justjosie8963 How was forgiveness or turning the other cheek taught to you 🤔? because from what I understand neither of those principles necessarily means stay in an abusive or messy situations or relationships.
@@justjosie8963 the Bible states that we should make every effort to make peace. And to forgive those that repent for their wrongdoings to us. If they are unwilling to repent then I don’t think you’d be wrong for loving from a distance. But I’d say read up on some scripture yourself to get a better answer. Hope this helps.
I always quietly ask the LORD if HE wants me to tell a person that it’s a sin or if HE wants to to keep quiet because there’s a time for everything. if HE does want to address their sin I ask HIM to give me a heart that won’t be elf righteous, but out of true consider for their soul. I agree my brother with everything you’re saying. S/n: some of us believers become self righteous and forget that we are only saved by GOD’S grace through faith in Christ, it’s a free undeserved gift. We gotta remember it’s the LORD working in us and through us. It ain’t because we so holy and wanna do the right thing.
The question is what’s the point of calling out sin. It’s to help the person. If your desire is to see them eliminate from their life something that is harming them, then you have the correct goal. If you take joy and pleasure in calling out sin in others you have taken on the role of the accuser. Is that what you want? To be following in the footsteps of the accuser? Be mindful of your intentions.
Friends who love Jesus and care about your best interest should call you out if they see you headed in the wrong direction. I have called out friends before and I have had friends call me out. I have an accountability group.
You have to have a good relationship with someone before you can call out sin in their lives. That's a general principle. There are exceptions, of course, and we must be led by the Spirit before we say anything.
I would add that it's a good idea to point out a sin when a fellow believer doesn't think or realize they are sinning. Ex: a Christian who gets drunk and honestly thinks it's fine. Just point them to scripture, and then it's up to them to decide to no longer continue in disobedience. Then you can get out of the way and leave it between them and God.
Why exactly is getting drunk wrong? Sure it's not nessasaraly good for you but the bible never gives a good reason as to why drinking is a sin or why it suddenly makes you non-Christian.
@@Dock284 The Bible is very clear that it is a pretty bad sin. Among other passages, Galatians 5:19-21: "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: ... drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." This passage gives a bit of an explanation: Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery." All Christians at some point have to reconcile that we aren't always given full explanations, but we are expected to listen (like young children who don't always know or understand their parents' rules, but we trust it's right). I don't think I've ever gotten drunk and maintained a good level of self control pleasing to God. As someone who occasionally messes up in this area, it's become very clear that my relationship with God suffers when I do get drunk. On top of that, there's a practical side to it. What if someone reaches out and needs us for something, and instead of being able to help, we have to tell them we can't because we're unable to drive. Not a good position for a Christian to be in. And to be clear, the Bible isn't talking about occasionally screwing up, but sins that people engage in regularly and are completely okay with. As I grew in my walk with God, I became more convicted to drink less and less. It didn't happen right away.
If you are a born-again follower of JESUS those curses will have no effect on you. Also Jesus is the deliverer and healer so you should ask HIM in prayer but close all open doors that we open by living in willful sins. He delivered me from evil spirits when he saved me out of the new age 22 yrs ago.
Hi Mike! I just wanted to say I am very thankful for your ministry, but I am also thankful that you talk very quickly! I am studying to be a court reporter, and your content is great practice. It's a win-win :)
Wow I think this is the quickest i've ever seen a video. Thank you mike for your careful teaching and thoughtful answers to all the questions that you get.
No way. God knows Ive been asking Him about this. I was asked about this yesterday and i said idk yet myself but i am seeking God for a conviction. Thanks for sharing, and I thank God for how you explained it with Bible verses. It actually spoke to me about my relationship with God and how gracious He is and how maybe I point out my sisns left and right all day... but in any case praise God
Thank you this was perfect timing, my boyfriend cusses on habitat and enjoys it i believe and i was planning on bringing it up as something we can work on. But ive seen so many videos of people saying oh you shouldn't try to change someone else. But it is healthy for his walk with Jesus and it is because I really love him that it hurts to hear him use that language
God bless you Mike. For the past close to a year now I have been watching you for encouragement and knowledge since my father's passing. May the Holy Spirit be with us all in guidance to the truth of God's word.
Sometimes the greatest way to call out sin is to demonstrate love. Let the Spirit convict of sin. We know when we are undeserving of love and grace. This speaks so much deeper than finger pointing.
@Janaina Ribeiro Correct. To a degree. Blatantly living in unrepentant sin should not be met with excuse making. But to not tolerate sin PERIOD would require the doors of all churches worldwide to close-Not one of us lives without sin. As far as unbelievers are concerned demonstrating towards them the love, grace, and humility of God in a world that shows only hurt, guilt, judgment, and damnation is far more reaching into peoples lives. The Holy Spirit is present and active in love. This allows the Holy Spirit to influence and flow naturally like a river versus unnaturally like Tech Support and a flow-chart🤪. Love is WHY we are saved. That is WHY we are the Church…Through faith in the love of the Father in Christ. And Christ holds all things together. This is not weak or personal preference this is what conquers evil. Love silences the influence of the kingdom of darkness. If that love is truly in Christ.
Ya know, i didnt realize it at the time when i first saw you’re channel, but i think you might be one of the most dedicated biblical teachers around at this time on earth. I thank God for everything you do Mr. Winger
So true Mike. One thing is to discern the problem, another is to be of help to that other person knowing that we are all in need of grace, in that sense we are all in the same boat. It's fundamental to love the person you're trying to restore, even if that person doesn't change their behaviour you still love that individual. Without love we're just making noise. The only people I try to steer in a Godly direction are people I have a relationship with, and their the ones doing the same with me.
Thank you for your video, it's very helpful. Sometimes I struggle with confront somoene’s sins in the right way. I did it in a very bad way yesterday, so I believe that God deliberately put this video in front of me today, bless you 😇
So good! The gentleness and checking yourself part is soooo practical and changes everything. When we correct someone man pride can be such a factor there so these tips change everything
Thank you for this video, your videos always help me. This was really helpful. I believe it's Matthew 18:15 is where we have some good direction in this area as well, and different versions of the Bible vary in how they say it, but some versions specify that you are to call somebody out if they have sinned against you specifically. And if you cross-reference with some other verses there is a reason for this, if someone has sinned against you and you do not lovingly call them out you take risk of suffering from bitterness, which is also sin. I've learned that if somebody has sinned against me personally that if I don't address it then I struggle with bitterness. I would like to be the kind of person though that can just forgive and let It go because I also do not like confrontation. I agree that a heart check and humility is essential when restoring someone.
Wow at the timing of this video. I just lived out a great example of when Not to call out sin today! Two neighbors across the street were yelling at each other and about to brutally fight, I saw the situation start and they were both guilty in their own way. At first I thought I could help resolve it by explaining how they were both wrong, but I was stopped at my front door with "do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces"
Depends on your motive if it’s of love, because open rebuke is better than secret. Love proverbs 27:5! Yeah If you think that they won’t listen, Pray first for an opening and wait on God.
If a sin is public, then public rebuke may be necessary in order to offset the negative influence that the individual's sin has on the Body of Christ. But private sins should first be addressed in private.
I agree with that. If someone is endangering or disturbing others in their sin, then yes, they do need to be called out and/or asked to leave the area.
Yes, call it out but do it in love. One condition is that if you have the same sin in your own life, you should not be doing so (the splinter from brothers eye versus log in your own scripture)
I think this is a bad argument and it borders on whether we should ever call out sin if the person in question can just compare with you. But they shouldn't compare with you, but with God.If you see their sin, you do see their sin and therefore you do not have such a bigt log in your own eye. That you have a muddy eye yourself is saying to me that you do not see their sin clearly to point it out: jot that you shouldn't point it out because you have sin yourself. That would be ridiculous since we all have sin and have fallen short onf the glory of God. On the other hand: if we can call out sin regardless of our own sin, which I think is the way to go, then, we can compare the sin to God and not ourselves. I don't think we should give the person the excuse they can use that argument for not calling out their sin.
Praise God for helping us to be restored in a loving way! I therefore bind to hell one desiring correcting another through fear and shame in my life, the lives of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquitances, opponents and the body of Christ while binding one to desire to know how and when to lovingly correct another , binding to hell every unequal yoke and common share with anyone desiring correcting another through fear and shame while lacking to desire to know when and how to lovingly correct another, in accordance with this word and galatians 6:1, psalm 23:4, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah, glory to God ❤!
Jas 5:19,20 19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
The "cursing/swearing" bit was relevant to a church that I was a part of. They had a concept that swearing is just a cultural/societal thing that isn't really relevant because all cultures have different swear words so there's no real moral standard or means of labeling something as a swear word. For example, tabernacle is one of the worst swear words in French Canada. It also supposedly helped a lot of non-Christians become interested in the church because everyone seemed more down-to-earth and more relatable. From what I heard, this was an actual genuine remark that I heard from newcomers to the church that made the church appeal to them. However, I brought it up on several occasions that it seemed like people were swearing more as a means to feel cool or show-off that they were a Christian that could swear, and that their means of trying to be "relatable" seemed more like an excuse to not control anger/outrage in certain extreme situations. I also mentioned that we don't have any examples of Jesus cursing/swearing at people and arguments for Paul swearing are very weak and non-conclusive as to whether or not he was swearing. That being said, as great as everyone at that church was (and they were genuinely strong Christians) it got to a point where even the pastors would start swearing/cursing in a sermon, and I think that's when it became very apparent that there might be an issue. Listening to a pastor nearly say f*** on several occasions showed a rather lax view of having control over one's tongue. It did finally get addressed and people were told to tone it down.
Some good scripture pertaining to this topic: James 1:15 (NKJV) Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. 2 Timothy 2:16 (NKJV) But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. 2 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV) All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 2 Timothy 4:2 (NKJV) Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. Titus 2:15 (NKJV) Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you. 1 Timothy 5:20 (NKJV) Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear. Proverbs 9:8 (NKJV) Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you; Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you. Luke 17:3 (NKJV) Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. Ephesians 5:11(NKJV) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. Titus 3:10-11(NKJV) 10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned. Titus 1:9 (NKJV) holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict. Matthew 7:5 (NKJV) Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. John 7:24 (NKJV) Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
This is a really on point topic for me. I try to give grace and pray for them. I speak up, in private, when it's something that I've experienced or am struggling with. For example, a friend sends me videos that challenge me. I've told her about my problem but she keeps on. I'm going to have to address this again with her.
It's Biblical to call out sin. First one confront, second take two to confront, third the church confront. Plus the verses you mentioned. It's not about I told you so. It's about the person's soul. What good is it to gain the world, but only to loose your soul. Do it out of love and gentleness.
It's biblical to talk to a burning bush and stone rebellious children and unclean women to death. It's also biblical to cast demons into someone else's pigs without permission. "christians" are morally unfit to call anyone out.
Love your teachings brother Mike. Also the Book of Proverbs 27: 5-6 tells us: the wounds of a friend are more faithful then the kisses of an enemy and open rebuke is better than hidden love. He who does not offend is not always honest Evangelist Roger Mansour
With friends and family, it needs to be something where you have an angle or invitation to speak into their life. For example, as a Father I would speak into my child's life if I knew he was using pornography, because it's my job as his father to guide him in Godly living. * There might be a broader application if someone who occupies a position of higher trust as a Christian is sinning notoriously. For example, if there's a member of the Church Board of Elders who shacks up with his girlfriend and it becomes public knowledge in the church. If it becomes plain that no one in his circle is confronting him (i.e. the situation goes on for several months and nothing changes), then the responsibility passes to any fellow believer. We have not only the duty but also the obligation to approach either the President/Head of the Board of Elders and/or the Pastor and demand that the person be held to the higher standard that such positions in the church demand, per the Bible. Either he must repent and move out, or he must give up the position of Elder and possibly face further church discipline if there's no indication he's trying to fix the situation. * I really appreciated the passage from Galatians... "overtaken" supposes there is an ongoing, unrepentant nature to the sin, not just a "gotcha" moment. We all struggle, so that's not a time to be preachy but rather be a resource of strength to help the person overcome the struggle or deal with it as best they can. But if I stop struggling and tolerate the sin (or worse, enjoy it), then I would always want a fellow believer to call me to account.
The best way to start when rebuking or talking to people about sin is to first fix the sin in your life. Seeing clearly is exceptionally important when all you want to do is help someone.
correct , rebuke with all authority and long suffering. even if they do t listen. God sent Isaiah and Ezekiel out saying “ goGo warn them, even if they don’t listen, and there will be no blood in your hands because yo warned them. “
I was laughing right before you said you just laughed at that guy cause you have pride in your heart. 😂 I default to assuming in most cases that the Holy Spirit is privately convicting us.
I'm hearing a lot of "grace" talk lately but hardly anything about repentance. "Gentle honesty" can be taken as a judgement to someone who doesn't seek repentance. Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Can you pray for me. I’m hoping to get a brother (my best mate) into a place where we are accountable to each other but he gets awkward around conversations like this and thinks I’m judging him. When in reality I hope he calls me out and builds me up when I stumble too
Or, as part of communication, you preface your sentence with, "now I am not wanting to judge you, I love you as a brother and I may be wrong but I feel like this is an area you may improve on...." I think that making your intentions clear helps alot. Also we all tend to forget why we do things for our close family. We do it out of love. We do it despite if it makes it uncomfortable, because we love them As I watch psychologist work in therapy sessions, I notice they listen alot. And the moment you brother feels uncomfortable, you can point that out and then stay silent. "I see that you are uncomfortable at this moment. Is that right?" And the you let them speak their mind. Just be a good listener (this is very important because if you take the time to listen, they feel they are being understood and heard. They will then be more receptive to what you have to say now that you have understood them.) Lastly, try not to start your sentences with "you". "You may improve in this area" sounds worse than "I feel that you may improve in this area". Better is " I feel like this area is something that you could possibly improve upon". Hope these tips help
This is pretty helpful. I recently attended a thing at church where they took Matthew 18 like you're supposed to call put every single thing another Christian does if they sin
People who dont yet believe should not be held to biblical standards by believers. The amount of damage I have seen done to the Kingdom of God by people doing this is insane. It is by scripture, the Holy spirit and loving discipleship that sins can be overcome. I've seen that and been part of that too. This teaching is for brothers and sisters in Christ.
Sometimes we "pride" ourselves (in what we may believe is the Godliest way) on our ability to call others out. To say the truth straight with no sugarcoating. We think it makes us braver than most. However, sometimes it is assumed that the one who tells you a harsh truth is automatically because they are the one who loves you the most and vice versa and that is not necessarily so. And I think that is what Mike is saying and I agree. Jesus, the only One who knew the heart of man while still being able to truly love man as well as had the only real right to call out anyone, didn't all the time. And one doesn't necessarily have another's best interests at heart when they tell them the harsh, plain truth of how they look. Many times, all any of us need to do that is a critical eye and too high of an opinion of ourselves. I appreciate, Mike that you stressed that the spirit of telling someone the truth must be gentle, loving, and constructive. Otherwise, harsh truth by itself from somone who claims to be loving is really no different from a mean coworker or rude stranger. Now being someone who is highly sensitive, there is a sense in which offense or resistance will be a reaction to accountability, even if it is said lovingly. Many times in my life, even when people redirected me in a gentle manner, I was still defensive because I simply wasn't ready to receive it.
It's certainly more situational than many Christians believe. I know Christians who pull EVERYONE up when they swear or are crass in any way - believers and non-believers. You're right. When you have a relationship of mutual edification with another Christian, it's fine. This is exactly the sort of person Paul was writing to when he said "go to your brother." But when a person is a non-believer, if you address their behaviour at all, you might need to take a longer, more subtle route. You at LEAST have to be the sort of person they will listen to. If you're one of those people who just express their disapproval at every instance of cursing, or blaspheming, or arrogance, or greed - whatever - then congratulations! You are the first person in history who is qualified to cast the first stone! But you won't be liked or respected, so don't expect to be able to turn anyone to God any time soon. Some people think that unless you confront everything, in the moment, you are just being a mealy-mouthed, cowardly Christian. But honestly, true Christians are people who choose their battles wisely. The same people who rebuke others fearlessly for small sins often are blind to the larger evils of this world, and go along with them willingly in the name of respecting authority. Our every interaction counts when we believe. But this I know: When love is lost in the conversation, God is lost in the conversation.
Formula for me is ask the Hily Spirit to help and when to move or hear as sometime just the gentle silent no response are used as conviction, but only if we do not partake and miss the loggs in our very own eyes first.
I really appreciated this! And the explanation of that verse really helped. I think I’d ask one more question on top of that too. I definitely tend to consider this myself before starting that conversation with anyone. I’d ask myself and seek out first, Is it actually sin according to the Bible or is it something I’m personally convicted about and trying to make someone else feel the same conviction? That’s something I’ve seen be a very common theme especially in conservative cultures and wow does it ever leave Christians nitpicking each other apart about who’s right on matters that are just silly in most cases. 🤦♀️ It’s like who needs the devil attacking you when people calling themselves Christians are doing a great job of that amongst themselves. It’s sad and exhausting to see. Then the real issues aren’t actually dealt with at all…
*Having said that, Jesus also did not call out the sins of the Pharisees for mutual edification. THe Pharisees hated Him. Lol. Jesus did not point out one by one, He pointed out to the whole crowd. That suffices.*
This was a good one. I like Mike, he's kind I like the guy but he and I differ greatly about a number of significant issues and it does bother me. I admit I struggle with trying to call out what I see as errors for some of these Christian RUclipsrs who deal with such huge topics these days. Mike doesn't know me so he's not listening anyway. lol! I am prone to not being gentle which can get the better of me at times. I guess we're all a work in progress. Take care.
Call out sin as Jesus Christ did: Kαι επειδή επέμεναν ρωτώντας τον, σηκώνοντας το κεφάλι, είπε προς αυτούς: Όποιος από σας είναι αναμάρτητος, ας ρίξει πρώτος την πέτρα εναντίον της. ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 8:7 FPB
I love the lord and came from a “ rough” background. Sometimes I make a unconscious mistake. Where I’m from you should just be quiet about stuff like that. Read the room for safety , then let it rip on the offending person. If not.. be quiet. Or just be quiet and pray for that person.
Talking about formulas, as a general formula my youth pastor always said that we don’t expect unbelievers to conform so we do not call them out, but we do call out other believers. This doesn’t answer the question, but it is related.
There are sins that we can bear and can forgive in the moment without a need for the brother to repent/ apologise, and sins they do we can bring to them later in that spirit of meekness and considering the motive, at the most appropriate time, for their good, not ours. It's something I wrestle with most often, knowing Jesus words about specks and planks. Restore restore restore!
You're probably right in the need for careful and considered balance. It's easy to be a witch hunter, but also easy to trivialize sin in the name of acceptance and grace.
Yep and the latter is DEFINITELY a bigger and more widespread issue these days, sadly. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 is being shamefully ignored by cowardly people focused on self-preservation rather than protecting the flock from poison (and that's what sin is, spiritually-speaking).
@@calvinmasters6159 Amen. And never forget to remind people that grace also means POWER, as the following verse exemplifies: "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously and godly in this present world" (Titus 2:11-12)
1 corinthians 5:8-13 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Paul tells us how to confront when we are wronged by a brother/sister in Matthew 18:15+ and not to eat with brethren who are knowingly and unrepentantly sinning while claiming Jesus in 1 cor 5. Those came to mind for this question.
A wider problem here is that cussing (in private) should be a Romans 12 issue. If you have a personal conviction about it, don't do it. If you don't, then still don't do it around friends you know have a conviction about it, and don't do it in mixed company if you're unsure of their conviction. Other than that, the other person should honor their side of Romans 12 and not try to push legalism on their friend.
I would say there are two things you must keep in mind when correcting a brother or sister in Christ. The first is: do you think they sinned because they fell into temptation, or are they not realizing that what they are doing is sinful? In terms of the former, I would think they already know their crime, and are readying themselves for repentance. In terms of the latter, it is good to teach them why what they're doing isn't right. An example would be that the former fell into lust and had one instance of masturbating to pornography, whereas the latter may think it's completely okay to pleasure themselves to hentai as much as they want. Both are sinful, but the latter one is the only one that actively needs correction. In the example of cursing because you lost your mother, that is temptation. Habitual sin is something that we must not tolerate, and we must seek to help them stop. The second thing is that you must be mindful of how you're correcting them. You can't just say "Hey you're a horrible person and a sinner", but most confront them with love and compassion; "Hey, I know [this sin] is really hard to resist. We all struggle with sin sometimes, but I sense that you seem to be giving in more often than you resist it. I am concerned for you, and I urge you to realize what you're doing and turn to the Lord in repentance". You must always remember that you, too, are a sinner, and may not adopt a holier-than-thou attitude. We must correct our brothers and sisters. We are responsible for their souls as fellows in Christ, just as they, too, are responsible for us. We are a family. That being said, we must not be obsessed with the specs in their eyes. Instead, we must urge them to remove their specs, just as we work to remove our beams. Help, don't hurt. Correct, don't chastise.
You should only do it if you have strong rapport with the person, they trust and respect you, and they look to you for accountability. Otherwise you're butting into someone's business where you have no right to be. They call that being a busybody.
Calling out others’ sins in public didn’t end well for the Pharisees and neither will it end well for us. Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 13:30 about the wheat and the chaff.
Excellent topic, thank you for this video. Many comments below detail that further, so I won't reiterate. I did find myself staring into the eyes of the bespectacled cat on your shirt far more than looking at YOUR face, which was distracting. 😂
Yes, so important to check OUR motives...pride will get us almost every time. Humble heart, with tenderness, love and truth...Gentleness and meekness but solid as a rock!
wow! Only 2 of those things applies to some Christians! Very interesting.
2:09 I was called out in Church 7 years ago by my Pastor, his wife and his his brother in law because first off I wasn't listening to my family and so called friends. However, I was going to church but I was high, drunk and having unhealthy relationships while going. So at that time they my church all kept telling me that God don't bless a mess!!! And man 0 man did that make me mad in the beginning, but it was the best thing that they did for me. And I respect them more today then I did then. And now May 20th was 7 years that I have been clean and sober thank God for Him laying down that way because it made me change for the better.
I love this. I see so many Christians on social media trying to call out everyone’s sin at and then using the excuse that it’s our job to call out sin. But there is no conversation. There is no grace. It’s like they just think it’s their job to go around calling out the sins of complete strangers then when nobody wants to listen to them, they get all high and mighty. It’s embarrassing.
Their sin is pride then. Self-righteousness. They have a plank in their eye they haven’t yet removed.
Well said. This is convicting! Well said!
Exactly, I feel the same way about people calling out false teachers. Where all they'll do is call some famous pastors they don't like a false teacher or a snake, but not go over what theological issues or core tenet of the faith they got wrong, or try to see if said pastor has corrected themselves or has a history of preaching false things 🤦🏿♂.
@@CLDJ227 Yup! And notice how those folks will tell you all the "false teachers" to stay away from but never tell you who is good to listen to? If you are a new believer it can be confusing because it seems like folks call everyone they disagree with a false teacher and they ever guide you toward who they think you should listen to. Sure there are false teachers out there but often Christians toss out that term to anyone they have a disagreement with.
To be fair to them, it can be incredibly hard to convey tone through text. Generally, I try to make my own points clear by being very verbose, and speaking to them the way I would a grandparent. As a very broad generality though, most don't have the patience to read (or write) long comments. There seems to be a tendency for "sound bites", which I think is an indication that social media is more about the _media_ than it is the _social._
I've tried to speak to people with kindness, deference, etc. but typically get one of three responses:
"I'm not reading all of that"
"That's a lot of words to justify you hating XYZ"
or some strawman of, "Oh, you think this, then you HAVE TO think this completely unrelated thing! See how terrible you are!?"
I'm not justifying the sneering that goes on, I think it's a very bad tendency. But I get it. I think the correct answer is to abstain from social media platforms that encourage that kind of speech - it's purpose-built to divide.
Well said, Pastor Mike! "Check your heart" is one of the wisest things we should keep close to our hearts, mind, and tongue, something that should be pondered in everything we do.
Amen, I agree. Sometimes I feel like I can be so “justified” in my thought process about things until you really think things through soberly. What helps me is thinking about the cross, and the grace and mercy that has been poured out on me. Letting Jesus and his sacrifice be the very filter of how I think these issues through. It makes me think of the wicked servant of the parable the Lord told to Peter about forgiveness and mercy. God bless you!
❤❤ Romans 10:9-11 KJV 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
I was radically saved by God's extreme mercy in 2016, during a near death experience. God removed cursing and alcohol from me almost immediately upon my salvation, but I was still having sex outside of marriage, and had no idea I was committing sin. I didn't even understand what sin was. God sent 3 people to me to tell me to quit it, and I still didn't understand why, but I received the conviction with a soft heart. Thankfully God also put it on my heart to buy my first ever bible and feast on it daily, and He led me to the scriptures showing me fornication, and once I had a full understanding that I was sinning against a holy God, I felt horribly remorseful and repented for like a month, and cut it out. I think it's also helpful if we share the supporting scriptures when convicting someone, because had someone taken the time to show me in the scriptures why I needed to stop, etc, it would have helped me understand. I don't feel led to convict my siblings in Christ much, because although God convicted me to stop cursing, etc, it just doesn't seem like a huge issue. Now if I knew someone walking in infidelity, I would pull out the scriptures showing them how it's going outside of God's designed order, the dangers that come with it, etc, and I would try to talk to them, but like Mike says, there are a lot of "Christians" that enjoy calling people out in general, to make themselves appear more holy/religious....like Pharisees, and that's not serving God well, IMO.
Wow I actually really like your take. It seems like you've actually put some thought into this and learned from your personal experience. My hats off to you.
@@DiggitySlice Thank you :) I think I had to put thought into this because I was such a wretch and needed/need a lot of sanctification...lol I was so ignorant to who God/Jesus truly are, sin, the bible, etc, and I'm sure those that called me out did so with good intentions. I know that if God can guide me into sanctification through His Word, He will guide anyone into their own sanctification walk too. I think sanctification is a lifelong process, and I still have a long ways to go. For the most part I just try to encourage everyone I can to read the bible for themselves daily, because in my experience, that's all it took. But also because of my experience, I know the dangers of fornication, and I do feel it's my duty to forewarn and show others of those dangers, because it can cause serious negative spiritual issues. I think that's a biggie sin that can truly wreak major havoc. It cracked me up when Mike stated in this video that Jesus would have been constantly calling out sin, because that was me when I was saved...lol But to call people out for things like cursing, that seems silly to me. I just pray for them that God guides them in their sanctification journey.
I love reading people's testimonies, your awesome man. I hope God blesses you with a wife and if He has already then I pray God blesses you and your family with a long God-filled happy life 😊
Praise God that’s awesome God showed you that through the scriptures!
Thanks I’ve been struggling with something with my brother. And I’m trying my best to warn him. Guys please pray that my brother turns to the lord. God bless you all. ❤
Yes, if they are in willful sin, that’s good of you to call them out. Open rebuke is better than secret Love proverbs 27:5. So you’re loving them when you do that, All willful sin must go. It says at least five times in the New Testament.
@@jjphank OP’s brother isn’t Christian so it’s all willfull sin, really.
@@heavnxbound even if he’s a Christian or not a Christian, first Corinthians 14:3 applies so that he can become a Christian-, to build up, strengthen and encourage everyone about the Lord!
You can test yourself by witnessing to people every day and do the great commission. This shows that you really care about them going to heaven & escaping hell!
I have an issue with Christians holding not yet believers to the standards of the Bible.
I believe that a believer can carefully and lovingly ask questions to help a fellow believer work out what the issue is x
@@Eternal_Hope_Q so, since you mentioned the word “Christian” in the third person, what’s your doubt? I can convince you that Jesus rose from the dead pretty quick Plus, a plethora of evidence!
You cannot out psychologize the Bible for God not to throw you into hell for all eternity. In other words, you cannot come up with a good enough excuse here and now, so you will not be able to on judgment day. If you say you did not want to be born, God is going to say you should’ve been born again, that means become a Christian so that’s not gonna work. And there are no other excuses try to think of one. So now you know for the first time in your life, that the Bible is smarter than you and it is a steel trap, smarter than all of mankind, What should you do then? So at least investigate and look to see that these things are true, because right now you just learned the Bible is smarter than you, and you will be accountable for your life on judgment day before God!
Prophecy, the Bible is 27% prophecy, that’s future history written in advance. God‘s really sticking his neck out to get it cut off he’s wrong but he hasn’t been wrong about the thousands of prophecies that were fulfilled, so he’ll be right about the end of the world prophecies as well and you’ll have no excuse on judgment day for not looking for truth!
Caveat: you cannot look for God in times of chaos says Isaiah 45:19, so you better do it now. In other words,You’ll be too worried about your own survival when chaos hits, than your eternal destiny!
Statistic probability of 40 writers writing the Bible with zero margin of deviation, proves God wrote the Bible through the 40 writers!
God authored the Bible!
DNA does not auto encrypt, the code writer is outside of the code of the 3300000,000,000 lines of computer code in the human genome of our DNA! So who wrote the code to such sophistication?
1,000,000 seconds is 12 days, 1,000,000,000 seconds is 32 years! That’s the difference between 1 million and 1 billion!
One person’s DNA could fill the Grand Canyon up to 50 times full of books. John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did, the world wouldn’t have enough room for the books telling of it.“ this verse would be fulfilled!
Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“!
Psalm 139 is about the human body!
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Colossians 4:6 is a good guideline for this issue:
"Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone."
Amen.
Proverbs 4:23
“Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.”
Most people do Not have a license to call you out. Some people called me out in public, often incorrectly. Being gruff (no cursing involved) is not something to call out in public. Gentleness is Not in most Christian church members. Matthew 18's requirement to speak privately to that person humbly works really well!
Thank You Very Much!!
it doesn't matter what most Christian church members are or are not. Gentleness IS a fruit of the Spirit.
That's the problem with this anti cussing teaching. Christians start thinking that you can say whatever you want as long as you don't use bad words. That's not what those passages are about.
@@DiggitySlice I don't think you understand. I was not trying to hurt anyone. I think Mr. Winger was trying to say that we don't point it out unless we are in relationship with the person. I found out that I have a minor speech impediment that makes me come across as being gruff. Sounding gruff to church people can be from something else. People calling others out for every single little thing is Not what Jesus did, and we should not either.
The “consider yourself lest you also be tempted” part I had interpreted differently. I understood it to be saying that you should be careful around that person so you don’t fall into the same sin as them while in the midst of confronting it.
For example, I was trying to restore my sister as she struggles with an eating disorder, but in the process I began to suffer from the effects of her toxic thinking and had to remove myself lest I start developing disorders of my own. I thought the passage was saying something along those lines.
I interpreted it this way as well. I think it could go both ways as what Mike says also makes sense
That’s actually an very cool look on that verse
A verse that immediately comes to my mind is James 4:17. While it doesnt give us the way to do it, it tells us when it is we need to do some sort of action
I think this is a clear way theBible speaks to me on this issue and I think it tells me to confront more than people seem in general inclined to to tell is appropriate or okay. When to confront sin, and not to, then, becomes a personal question and as such not something another person can tell you like "it's not your place." It also removes the need of further scripture to guide us in each specific situation.
Pray.
Listen to the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
The closer you get to God the more assurance you will have.
Seek the leading of the Holy Spirit, He knows what is in the heart and knows why people do what they do. More importantly He is able to provide the right approach - words, when and how you should go about the correction. Above all, He is the One that is able to convict of sin, righteousness and judgement.
May God make us His ambassadors.
Thank you for this video. I literally prayed about this last night because I have family members who are still holding grudges towards each other to this day and something needs to be said. So much pride in the family.
What do you consider holding a grudge? I finally walked away from some family after years of unrepentent abuse & usary. The religious teachings from a young age is what kept me in the relationships, turning the other cheek and forgiving, until finally I could take it no more and realized there was no way, this is what God wanted for me.
@@justjosie8963 How was forgiveness or turning the other cheek taught to you 🤔?
because from what I understand neither of those principles necessarily means stay in an abusive or messy situations or relationships.
@@justjosie8963 the Bible states that we should make every effort to make peace. And to forgive those that repent for their wrongdoings to us. If they are unwilling to repent then I don’t think you’d be wrong for loving from a distance. But I’d say read up on some scripture yourself to get a better answer. Hope this helps.
I always quietly ask the LORD if HE wants me to tell a person that it’s a sin or if HE wants to to keep quiet because there’s a time for everything. if HE does want to address their sin I ask HIM to give me a heart that won’t be elf righteous, but out of true consider for their soul. I agree my brother with everything you’re saying.
S/n: some of us believers become self righteous and forget that we are only saved by GOD’S grace through faith in Christ, it’s a free undeserved gift. We gotta remember it’s the LORD working in us and through us. It ain’t because we so holy and wanna do the right thing.
The question is what’s the point of calling out sin. It’s to help the person. If your desire is to see them eliminate from their life something that is harming them, then you have the correct goal. If you take joy and pleasure in calling out sin in others you have taken on the role of the accuser. Is that what you want? To be following in the footsteps of the accuser? Be mindful of your intentions.
Friends who love Jesus and care about your best interest should call you out if they see you headed in the wrong direction. I have called out friends before and I have had friends call me out. I have an accountability group.
You have to have a good relationship with someone before you can call out sin in their lives. That's a general principle. There are exceptions, of course, and we must be led by the Spirit before we say anything.
I would add that it's a good idea to point out a sin when a fellow believer doesn't think or realize they are sinning. Ex: a Christian who gets drunk and honestly thinks it's fine.
Just point them to scripture, and then it's up to them to decide to no longer continue in disobedience. Then you can get out of the way and leave it between them and God.
Why exactly is getting drunk wrong? Sure it's not nessasaraly good for you but the bible never gives a good reason as to why drinking is a sin or why it suddenly makes you non-Christian.
@@Dock284 The Bible is very clear that it is a pretty bad sin.
Among other passages, Galatians 5:19-21: "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: ... drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
This passage gives a bit of an explanation: Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery."
All Christians at some point have to reconcile that we aren't always given full explanations, but we are expected to listen (like young children who don't always know or understand their parents' rules, but we trust it's right).
I don't think I've ever gotten drunk and maintained a good level of self control pleasing to God. As someone who occasionally messes up in this area, it's become very clear that my relationship with God suffers when I do get drunk. On top of that, there's a practical side to it. What if someone reaches out and needs us for something, and instead of being able to help, we have to tell them we can't because we're unable to drive. Not a good position for a Christian to be in.
And to be clear, the Bible isn't talking about occasionally screwing up, but sins that people engage in regularly and are completely okay with. As I grew in my walk with God, I became more convicted to drink less and less. It didn't happen right away.
Please pray for Deliverence and healing from Black magic and voodoo curses placed onto me
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If you are a born-again follower of JESUS those curses will have no effect on you. Also Jesus is the deliverer and healer so you should ask HIM in prayer but close all open doors that we open by living in willful sins. He delivered me from evil spirits when he saved me out of the new age 22 yrs ago.
Hi Mike! I just wanted to say I am very thankful for your ministry, but I am also thankful that you talk very quickly! I am studying to be a court reporter, and your content is great practice. It's a win-win :)
Wow I think this is the quickest i've ever seen a video. Thank you mike for your careful teaching and thoughtful answers to all the questions that you get.
No way. God knows Ive been asking Him about this. I was asked about this yesterday and i said idk yet myself but i am seeking God for a conviction. Thanks for sharing, and I thank God for how you explained it with Bible verses. It actually spoke to me about my relationship with God and how gracious He is and how maybe I point out my sisns left and right all day... but in any case praise God
Thank you this was perfect timing, my boyfriend cusses on habitat and enjoys it i believe and i was planning on bringing it up as something we can work on. But ive seen so many videos of people saying oh you shouldn't try to change someone else. But it is healthy for his walk with Jesus and it is because I really love him that it hurts to hear him use that language
Hi Mike! Excellent teaching. This can be such a difficult thing to discern at times. Your points and the scripture are very timely. Thank you!
God bless you Mike. For the past close to a year now I have been watching you for encouragement and knowledge since my father's passing. May the Holy Spirit be with us all in guidance to the truth of God's word.
Sometimes the greatest way to call out sin is to demonstrate love. Let the Spirit convict of sin. We know when we are undeserving of love and grace. This speaks so much deeper than finger pointing.
@Janaina Ribeiro Correct. To a degree. Blatantly living in unrepentant sin should not be met with excuse making. But to not tolerate sin PERIOD would require the doors of all churches worldwide to close-Not one of us lives without sin. As far as unbelievers are concerned demonstrating towards them the love, grace, and humility of God in a world that shows only hurt, guilt, judgment, and damnation is far more reaching into peoples lives. The Holy Spirit is present and active in love. This allows the Holy Spirit to influence and flow naturally like a river versus unnaturally like Tech Support and a flow-chart🤪. Love is WHY we are saved. That is WHY we are the Church…Through faith in the love of the Father in Christ. And Christ holds all things together. This is not weak or personal preference this is what conquers evil. Love silences the influence of the kingdom of darkness. If that love is truly in Christ.
Ya know, i didnt realize it at the time when i first saw you’re channel, but i think you might be one of the most dedicated biblical teachers around at this time on earth. I thank God for everything you do Mr. Winger
So true Mike. One thing is to discern the problem, another is to be of help to that other person knowing that we are all in need of grace, in that sense we are all in the same boat. It's fundamental to love the person you're trying to restore, even if that person doesn't change their behaviour you still love that individual. Without love we're just making noise. The only people I try to steer in a Godly direction are people I have a relationship with, and their the ones doing the same with me.
Thank you for your video, it's very helpful. Sometimes I struggle with confront somoene’s sins in the right way. I did it in a very bad way yesterday, so I believe that God deliberately put this video in front of me today, bless you 😇
Mike I hope you live to 120 and make millions of videos. God bless you brother.
So good! The gentleness and checking yourself part is soooo practical and changes everything. When we correct someone man pride can be such a factor there so these tips change everything
As a newbie Biblical Counselor, that was a good reminder for me. ❤
Thank you Brother for challenging us to think biblically about these things 🙏 🙌
Thank you for this video, your videos always help me. This was really helpful.
I believe it's Matthew 18:15 is where we have some good direction in this area as well, and different versions of the Bible vary in how they say it, but some versions specify that you are to call somebody out if they have sinned against you specifically.
And if you cross-reference with some other verses there is a reason for this, if someone has sinned against you and you do not lovingly call them out you take risk of suffering from bitterness, which is also sin.
I've learned that if somebody has sinned against me personally that if I don't address it then I struggle with bitterness. I would like to be the kind of person though that can just forgive and let It go because I also do not like confrontation.
I agree that a heart check and humility is essential when restoring someone.
Thanks Brother Mike. I have an issue like this right now. I need a lot of wisdom. The individual is my pastor.
Wow at the timing of this video. I just lived out a great example of when Not to call out sin today! Two neighbors across the street were yelling at each other and about to brutally fight, I saw the situation start and they were both guilty in their own way. At first I thought I could help resolve it by explaining how they were both wrong, but I was stopped at my front door with "do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces"
And I would say to everyone to add-on, always make sure and check yourself all the time! Try your best to steer yourself in the right direction.
Depends on your motive if it’s of love, because open rebuke is better than secret. Love proverbs 27:5!
Yeah If you think that they won’t listen, Pray first for an opening and wait on God.
Thank you for your minstry Mike. God bless!
If a sin is public, then public rebuke may be necessary in order to offset the negative influence that the individual's sin has on the Body of Christ. But private sins should first be addressed in private.
I agree with that. If someone is endangering or disturbing others in their sin, then yes, they do need to be called out and/or asked to leave the area.
Great points! I think you covered this question well. Very timely for me too. Thank you!
Yes, call it out but do it in love. One condition is that if you have the same sin in your own life, you should not be doing so (the splinter from brothers eye versus log in your own scripture)
I think this is a bad argument and it borders on whether we should ever call out sin if the person in question can just compare with you. But they shouldn't compare with you, but with God.If you see their sin, you do see their sin and therefore you do not have such a bigt log in your own eye. That you have a muddy eye yourself is saying to me that you do not see their sin clearly to point it out: jot that you shouldn't point it out because you have sin yourself. That would be ridiculous since we all have sin and have fallen short onf the glory of God. On the other hand: if we can call out sin regardless of our own sin, which I think is the way to go, then, we can compare the sin to God and not ourselves. I don't think we should give the person the excuse they can use that argument for not calling out their sin.
Scripture says all sin is equal in God's eyes
This is how Ray Comfort does it. Superb. Love it.
Praise God for helping us to be restored in a loving way! I therefore bind to hell one desiring correcting another through fear and shame in my life, the lives of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquitances, opponents and the body of Christ while binding one to desire to know how and when to lovingly correct another , binding to hell every unequal yoke and common share with anyone desiring correcting another through fear and shame while lacking to desire to know when and how to lovingly correct another, in accordance with this word and galatians 6:1, psalm 23:4, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah, glory to God ❤!
Look, when I was playing Christian and having sex, cussing, and not honoring God, I wish people had called me out. I deserved to hear it.
Great topic for discussion. Thank you for posting!
Jas 5:19,20
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
The "cursing/swearing" bit was relevant to a church that I was a part of. They had a concept that swearing is just a cultural/societal thing that isn't really relevant because all cultures have different swear words so there's no real moral standard or means of labeling something as a swear word. For example, tabernacle is one of the worst swear words in French Canada.
It also supposedly helped a lot of non-Christians become interested in the church because everyone seemed more down-to-earth and more relatable. From what I heard, this was an actual genuine remark that I heard from newcomers to the church that made the church appeal to them.
However, I brought it up on several occasions that it seemed like people were swearing more as a means to feel cool or show-off that they were a Christian that could swear, and that their means of trying to be "relatable" seemed more like an excuse to not control anger/outrage in certain extreme situations. I also mentioned that we don't have any examples of Jesus cursing/swearing at people and arguments for Paul swearing are very weak and non-conclusive as to whether or not he was swearing.
That being said, as great as everyone at that church was (and they were genuinely strong Christians) it got to a point where even the pastors would start swearing/cursing in a sermon, and I think that's when it became very apparent that there might be an issue. Listening to a pastor nearly say f*** on several occasions showed a rather lax view of having control over one's tongue. It did finally get addressed and people were told to tone it down.
Some good scripture pertaining to this topic:
James 1:15 (NKJV) Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
2 Timothy 2:16 (NKJV) But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.
2 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV) All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2 Timothy 4:2 (NKJV) Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
Titus 2:15 (NKJV) Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.
1 Timothy 5:20 (NKJV) Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.
Proverbs 9:8 (NKJV) Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you; Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.
Luke 17:3 (NKJV) Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.
Ephesians 5:11(NKJV) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Titus 3:10-11(NKJV) 10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
Titus 1:9 (NKJV) holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.
Matthew 7:5 (NKJV) Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
John 7:24 (NKJV) Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
This is a really on point topic for me. I try to give grace and pray for them. I speak up, in private, when it's something that I've experienced or am struggling with. For example, a friend sends me videos that challenge me. I've told her about my problem but she keeps on. I'm going to have to address this again with her.
It's Biblical to call out sin. First one confront, second take two to confront, third the church confront. Plus the verses you mentioned. It's not about I told you so. It's about the person's soul. What good is it to gain the world, but only to loose your soul. Do it out of love and gentleness.
It's biblical to talk to a burning bush and stone rebellious children and unclean women to death. It's also biblical to cast demons into someone else's pigs without permission. "christians" are morally unfit to call anyone out.
@@rf7477 poor farmers man. Probably lost everything from those pigs dying.
Love your teachings brother Mike. Also the Book of Proverbs 27: 5-6 tells us: the wounds of a friend are more faithful then the kisses of an enemy and open rebuke is better than hidden love. He who does not offend is not always honest
Evangelist Roger Mansour
With friends and family, it needs to be something where you have an angle or invitation to speak into their life. For example, as a Father I would speak into my child's life if I knew he was using pornography, because it's my job as his father to guide him in Godly living.
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There might be a broader application if someone who occupies a position of higher trust as a Christian is sinning notoriously. For example, if there's a member of the Church Board of Elders who shacks up with his girlfriend and it becomes public knowledge in the church. If it becomes plain that no one in his circle is confronting him (i.e. the situation goes on for several months and nothing changes), then the responsibility passes to any fellow believer. We have not only the duty but also the obligation to approach either the President/Head of the Board of Elders and/or the Pastor and demand that the person be held to the higher standard that such positions in the church demand, per the Bible. Either he must repent and move out, or he must give up the position of Elder and possibly face further church discipline if there's no indication he's trying to fix the situation.
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I really appreciated the passage from Galatians... "overtaken" supposes there is an ongoing, unrepentant nature to the sin, not just a "gotcha" moment. We all struggle, so that's not a time to be preachy but rather be a resource of strength to help the person overcome the struggle or deal with it as best they can. But if I stop struggling and tolerate the sin (or worse, enjoy it), then I would always want a fellow believer to call me to account.
The best way to start when rebuking or talking to people about sin is to first fix the sin in your life. Seeing clearly is exceptionally important when all you want to do is help someone.
correct , rebuke with all authority and long suffering. even if they do t listen. God sent Isaiah and Ezekiel out saying “ goGo warn them, even if they don’t listen, and there will be no blood in your hands because yo warned them. “
Mike Winger: Amen! Well said
My frequent dilemma: Am I being wise/humble by being slow to speak? Or am I hiding cowardice behind what my heart calls wisdom?
That is good wisdom to remember! Thank you!! Discernment is always challenging but always leads us back to prayer!
I was laughing right before you said you just laughed at that guy cause you have pride in your heart. 😂 I default to assuming in most cases that the Holy Spirit is privately convicting us.
I'm hearing a lot of "grace" talk lately but hardly anything about repentance. "Gentle honesty" can be taken as a judgement to someone who doesn't seek repentance.
Romans 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Can you pray for me. I’m hoping to get a brother (my best mate) into a place where we are accountable to each other but he gets awkward around conversations like this and thinks I’m judging him. When in reality I hope he calls me out and builds me up when I stumble too
If you have judged him, ask him what your verdict is.
Or, as part of communication, you preface your sentence with, "now I am not wanting to judge you, I love you as a brother and I may be wrong but I feel like this is an area you may improve on...." I think that making your intentions clear helps alot. Also we all tend to forget why we do things for our close family. We do it out of love. We do it despite if it makes it uncomfortable, because we love them
As I watch psychologist work in therapy sessions, I notice they listen alot. And the moment you brother feels uncomfortable, you can point that out and then stay silent.
"I see that you are uncomfortable at this moment. Is that right?" And the you let them speak their mind. Just be a good listener (this is very important because if you take the time to listen, they feel they are being understood and heard. They will then be more receptive to what you have to say now that you have understood them.)
Lastly, try not to start your sentences with "you". "You may improve in this area" sounds worse than "I feel that you may improve in this area". Better is " I feel like this area is something that you could possibly improve upon".
Hope these tips help
Brother Mike, thank you for these videos! God bless you!
Great insight! I’m also reminded of when Jesus drove out the moneychangers with a whip, and I wonder how this plays into the equation 🤔 lots to ponder
This is pretty helpful. I recently attended a thing at church where they took Matthew 18 like you're supposed to call put every single thing another Christian does if they sin
People who dont yet believe should not be held to biblical standards by believers.
The amount of damage I have seen done to the Kingdom of God by people doing this is insane.
It is by scripture, the Holy spirit and loving discipleship that sins can be overcome. I've seen that and been part of that too.
This teaching is for brothers and sisters in Christ.
Sometimes we "pride" ourselves (in what we may believe is the Godliest way) on our ability to call others out. To say the truth straight with no sugarcoating. We think it makes us braver than most. However, sometimes it is assumed that the one who tells you a harsh truth is automatically because they are the one who loves you the most and vice versa and that is not necessarily so. And I think that is what Mike is saying and I agree. Jesus, the only One who knew the heart of man while still being able to truly love man as well as had the only real right to call out anyone, didn't all the time. And one doesn't necessarily have another's best interests at heart when they tell them the harsh, plain truth of how they look. Many times, all any of us need to do that is a critical eye and too high of an opinion of ourselves. I appreciate, Mike that you stressed that the spirit of telling someone the truth must be gentle, loving, and constructive. Otherwise, harsh truth by itself from somone who claims to be loving is really no different from a mean coworker or rude stranger. Now being someone who is highly sensitive, there is a sense in which offense or resistance will be a reaction to accountability, even if it is said lovingly. Many times in my life, even when people redirected me in a gentle manner, I was still defensive because I simply wasn't ready to receive it.
It's certainly more situational than many Christians believe. I know Christians who pull EVERYONE up when they swear or are crass in any way - believers and non-believers. You're right. When you have a relationship of mutual edification with another Christian, it's fine. This is exactly the sort of person Paul was writing to when he said "go to your brother."
But when a person is a non-believer, if you address their behaviour at all, you might need to take a longer, more subtle route. You at LEAST have to be the sort of person they will listen to. If you're one of those people who just express their disapproval at every instance of cursing, or blaspheming, or arrogance, or greed - whatever - then congratulations! You are the first person in history who is qualified to cast the first stone! But you won't be liked or respected, so don't expect to be able to turn anyone to God any time soon.
Some people think that unless you confront everything, in the moment, you are just being a mealy-mouthed, cowardly Christian. But honestly, true Christians are people who choose their battles wisely. The same people who rebuke others fearlessly for small sins often are blind to the larger evils of this world, and go along with them willingly in the name of respecting authority.
Our every interaction counts when we believe. But this I know:
When love is lost in the conversation, God is lost in the conversation.
This is amazing! Thank you for this!!
Formula for me is ask the Hily Spirit to help and when to move or hear as sometime just the gentle silent no response are used as conviction, but only if we do not partake and miss the loggs in our very own eyes first.
This is really helpful. Thanks Mike!
I really appreciated this! And the explanation of that verse really helped.
I think I’d ask one more question on top of that too. I definitely tend to consider this myself before starting that conversation with anyone.
I’d ask myself and seek out first, Is it actually sin according to the Bible or is it something I’m personally convicted about and trying to make someone else feel the same conviction?
That’s something I’ve seen be a very common theme especially in conservative cultures and wow does it ever leave Christians nitpicking each other apart about who’s right on matters that are just silly in most cases. 🤦♀️ It’s like who needs the devil attacking you when people calling themselves Christians are doing a great job of that amongst themselves.
It’s sad and exhausting to see. Then the real issues aren’t actually dealt with at all…
Thank you Pastor Mike
I saw many messages of Mike Winger. He’s the living proof of the statement “for perfectly normal people to say/do wicked things you need religion”
that's Trudeau
get it?
no?
I'll stop talking.
Revelation 14:12
King James Version
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
*Having said that, Jesus also did not call out the sins of the Pharisees for mutual edification. THe Pharisees hated Him. Lol. Jesus did not point out one by one, He pointed out to the whole crowd. That suffices.*
Mercy for the merciful Matthew 5:7
Don't be deceived: bad company corrupts character. 1 Corinthians 15:33
This was great. Loved it Pastor Mike
This was a good one. I like Mike, he's kind I like the guy but he and I differ greatly about a number of significant issues and it does bother me. I admit I struggle with trying to call out what I see as errors for some of these Christian RUclipsrs who deal with such huge topics these days.
Mike doesn't know me so he's not listening anyway. lol!
I am prone to not being gentle which can get the better of me at times. I guess we're all a work in progress. Take care.
This is low key comical and true 😇
Call out sin as Jesus Christ did:
Kαι επειδή επέμεναν ρωτώντας τον, σηκώνοντας το κεφάλι, είπε προς αυτούς: Όποιος από σας είναι αναμάρτητος, ας ρίξει πρώτος την πέτρα εναντίον της.
ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 8:7 FPB
I love the lord and came from a “ rough” background. Sometimes I make a unconscious mistake. Where I’m from you should just be quiet about stuff like that. Read the room for safety , then let it rip on the offending person. If not.. be quiet. Or just be quiet and pray for that person.
Talking about formulas, as a general formula my youth pastor always said that we don’t expect unbelievers to conform so we do not call them out, but we do call out other believers. This doesn’t answer the question, but it is related.
Very humbling.
There are sins that we can bear and can forgive in the moment without a need for the brother to repent/ apologise, and sins they do we can bring to them later in that spirit of meekness and considering the motive, at the most appropriate time, for their good, not ours. It's something I wrestle with most often, knowing Jesus words about specks and planks.
Restore restore restore!
Thanks for posting
I've been restored many times ...but because i had a receptive spirit at that time
You're probably right in the need for careful and considered balance.
It's easy to be a witch hunter, but also easy to trivialize sin in the name of acceptance and grace.
Yep and the latter is DEFINITELY a bigger and more widespread issue these days, sadly.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 is being shamefully ignored by cowardly people focused on self-preservation rather than protecting the flock from poison (and that's what sin is, spiritually-speaking).
@@leenieledejo6849 Great Scripture, thanks.
Similar to Ephesians 5:11
"Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."
@@calvinmasters6159 Amen. And never forget to remind people that grace also means POWER, as the following verse exemplifies:
"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously and godly in this present world" (Titus 2:11-12)
1 corinthians 5:8-13
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Paul tells us how to confront when we are wronged by a brother/sister in Matthew 18:15+ and not to eat with brethren who are knowingly and unrepentantly sinning while claiming Jesus in 1 cor 5. Those came to mind for this question.
A wider problem here is that cussing (in private) should be a Romans 12 issue. If you have a personal conviction about it, don't do it. If you don't, then still don't do it around friends you know have a conviction about it, and don't do it in mixed company if you're unsure of their conviction. Other than that, the other person should honor their side of Romans 12 and not try to push legalism on their friend.
I needed to hear this thanks
I would say there are two things you must keep in mind when correcting a brother or sister in Christ. The first is: do you think they sinned because they fell into temptation, or are they not realizing that what they are doing is sinful? In terms of the former, I would think they already know their crime, and are readying themselves for repentance. In terms of the latter, it is good to teach them why what they're doing isn't right. An example would be that the former fell into lust and had one instance of masturbating to pornography, whereas the latter may think it's completely okay to pleasure themselves to hentai as much as they want. Both are sinful, but the latter one is the only one that actively needs correction. In the example of cursing because you lost your mother, that is temptation. Habitual sin is something that we must not tolerate, and we must seek to help them stop. The second thing is that you must be mindful of how you're correcting them. You can't just say "Hey you're a horrible person and a sinner", but most confront them with love and compassion; "Hey, I know [this sin] is really hard to resist. We all struggle with sin sometimes, but I sense that you seem to be giving in more often than you resist it. I am concerned for you, and I urge you to realize what you're doing and turn to the Lord in repentance". You must always remember that you, too, are a sinner, and may not adopt a holier-than-thou attitude. We must correct our brothers and sisters. We are responsible for their souls as fellows in Christ, just as they, too, are responsible for us. We are a family. That being said, we must not be obsessed with the specs in their eyes. Instead, we must urge them to remove their specs, just as we work to remove our beams. Help, don't hurt. Correct, don't chastise.
Thanks Pastor Mike ...great perspective .Who is your Pastor ?
You should only do it if you have strong rapport with the person, they trust and respect you, and they look to you for accountability. Otherwise you're butting into someone's business where you have no right to be. They call that being a busybody.
Calling out others’ sins in public didn’t end well for the Pharisees and neither will it end well for us. Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 13:30 about the wheat and the chaff.
So good Pastor Mike 🫡
Tell them when no one is looking.
Build them up.
Excellent topic, thank you for this video. Many comments below detail that further, so I won't reiterate. I did find myself staring into the eyes of the bespectacled cat on your shirt far more than looking at YOUR face, which was distracting. 😂
Matthew 18:15-20 & 1 Timothy 4:2
Good verses.
There is calling out and calling out. Can I call it out without becoming a hypocrite.