How We Mix Our In-Ear Monitors with the Behringer XR18
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Episode 11: December 8th, 2021
The Student Body played at Fireside Bowl for a corporate event for Miller High Life. In this episode, we walk through exactly how we run our in-ear monitors using the Behringer XR18.
00:00 - intro
00:30 - rack set up
02:00 - x air app set up
05:45 - in-ear mix walkthrough
11:00 - hear what we hear
13:44 - outro
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Have you started using in-ears? What does your set up look like?
I have started... Soundcraft ui24r w/6 xvive wireless iem monitor w/ split snake running to FOH in a rack... amazing system
@@shimshimdrumma5459 seems like a VERY similar mixer! The Xvive is my backup - just in case!
We have just started building our in-ear monitoring and we have Behringer XR-18 that we plan to use as FOH mixer as well. It's easy to say that IEM blew our minds out, especially our drummer's! His first impressions after playing a few songs was: "Yo, I didn't know you were playing that many notes in each song!" 😀
So far we're in a process of testing everything. The drummer and I (lead guitar and back vocalist) both use stereo mix and we got both guitars and all vocals sent to each in-ear base. I need a lot of my vocals and just enough of guitars to hear what we're playing, whereas the drummer needs lead and back vocals + both guitars significantly louder. We're testing full mix today, wish us luck! 😄
i am a drummer
and after my friday gig my left ear is still ringing and it is Tuesday
so i will be gettin go in ears
i will only get ONE line that normally goes into my monitor
i getting ear ejection molds done for some good earbuds
Cool video. I hope you are able to get your rack in a little better order. It looks pretty rough in this video.
Great walk-through of how to manage busses on the xr-series. But, oooh, that pile of individual IEM transmitters is a hot mess.
Thanks! I am gonna have to look into that, huh? I never said it was a how-to on rack space management lol
😂
Definitely consider some rack shelves. An easy and cheap way to ensure those expensive devices aren’t flopping around like dying fish! Like the set up. I use something similar but with X32R for my 6 piece
This is one of the best instructional videos I've ever seen on RUclips. The information was clear and concise with no BS wasting time. It was also easy to understand. You should make an instructional video on how to make a RUclips instructional video, lol. Kudos!
Thank you for that!! I’m really glad you found this video helpful!
This one is actually a little different from the videos I really like to make!
I’m working with my wife as musicians on cruise ships these days and my content is more centered around my life, travel, and work onboard! Hope you find that interesting and check out some of these videos: ruclips.net/p/PLMPmpF_fZL_thPOYjqhmZfi_nOh1vicRM&si=ZIqQmjjcU7qD0Voy
Thank you very very much for this vide. It makes a lot of sense, It helped me to explain to each of my team mates how it works.
Well designed and instructional. Thank you!
Thank you! I’m glad this was helpful!
Cool to hear different mixes, Very educational! Thanks for sharing !!!
Thanks man! Glad you liked it!
So cool to hear each member's mix!
Thanks for checking it out!!
This video was instrumental in my decision to purchase and set up the Behringer XR-18 in my studio. I scraped my digital knuckles quite a bit before really getting the hang of it, but I have used it successfully on several jam sessions and rehearsals and can't imagine doing it any other way. Rather than wireless in-ears, my room is quite small, so a headphone amplifier that supports four separate feeds does the job nicely, and I have a personal mixer that I use as the drummer for my headphone amplification and analog volume control. Thanks so much for taking the time to guide a newbie like me with such an excellent tutorial. 🎶👍
Wow, this is amazing!! Thank you for the kind words and for letting me know about your set up and experience with the mixer.
Thank you! This is a great example of helpful video, where finally everything’s explained properly and clearly.
Thank you! I’m so glad you found the video helpful!
Yeah man, love it! Nice work 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thanks man! Learned with the best!
just bought the xr18 and an in ear system for the band and i today after watching this vid. huge help, thank you!
Congratulations!!! That will be a game changer for your band!! Good luck and let me know how it goes!
Great video David, very helpful and well explained. Thanks!
Thank you! Glad it was helpful for you!
Amazingly helpful - many thanks
Great info. Love the band!
Thank you so much!!
Really loved the real time differences shown at the end… it shows the diversity and power of all the routing available. Also sets realistic expectations of what to expect you can achieve. Kudos
Thanks!! I’m glad you found this helpful! This mixer is fantastic and so versatile! So much is possible with a tool like this one 😀
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I agreed, we actually have 2 12 and a 24! Love it
Duuuuuuude! Seriously you have made me finally understand my behringer mixer thank you
Hell yeah! Happy to help!! Are you using it to run your mains as well?
@@DavidPaigeMusic Yes I run my xair18 with a Ekit, Guitar & Bass through Line6 HX Stomp Dueling Keys and 3 Vocals going through 2 EV 50 line array Speakers
@@marcellofranco8771 sounds like a badass show! If you’re recording your shows, drop me a link! I’d love to check it out!
Super insightful! Cheers!
Thanks! I’m glad it was helpful!
Great info and DEMO!!!
Really useful video - thanks for this
Thanks for watching!! I’m glad it was helpful!
Great job on explaining.
Thanks Frank! What’s your project called? Are you running in-ears now?
I've been taking about getting in-ears for a long time. Now that I consider the XR18 for my band it might be the time to get both. Thanks a lot for sharing.
I couldn’t recommend it enough! Hit me up on insta @davidpaigemusic if you wanna chat more about it!
@@DavidPaigeMusic Problem is it's impossible to get hold of an XR18.
@@superviewer how many inputs do you need for your band?
@@DavidPaigeMusic At a minimum15 (8 for drums, 3 for vocals and 2 for bass and guitar). And soon two (stereo) for triggering samples. Anyway, today I got lucky on Ebay and an XR18 is on the way.
Thank You!
Thanks bro you helped me a lot 🙏🏾
Thank you for watching! Glad this was helpful!
nice one bro... thank you
Great video! Love my X air 18
Thanks!! Are you using it for the recording capabilities, IEMs, live sound, or all of the above?
@@DavidPaigeMusic all of the above!
For Stereo I believe you can just link the tracks and click the aux on the main screen and you will see a little pan slider on the linked channels, rather than have to set left and right volumes.
Hey Andy! Thanks for checking this video out and for commenting.
I saw your comment and my immediate thought was that I don't know how to do that, so I will look into that at our gig this weekend!
Solid tutorial. Thanks!
Thanks!!
Are you using the XR18 for in-ears too?
@@DavidPaigeMusic not yet - I've been doing research to build a rig for my next project.
@@yunak9665 awesome! What kind of project are you working on? If you have any questions, I would be happy to try to help!
@@DavidPaigeMusic I appreciate the offer and will hit you up as I build it out. My project is an all originals ensemble much in the same realm as Built To Spill, The New Pornographers, Decembrists, Firewater, Wilco, Camper Van Beethoven in that it's indie/post-punk/power pop/new wave influenced performed by an ensemble. It's 6 members - bass, guitar 1, guitar 2, keys, drums, violin + other strings and such like pedal steel - where everyone sings harmonies and changes lead often. So, I need at least 16 channels and am probably going for more to account for various acoustic guitars and guests playing whatever + to account for backing tracks/samples. The band is going to mostly play festivals, so, an IEM rig is an absolute must. I'm the lead guitarist and relative tech geek, so, I'm tackling this until we get to a point where we can hire an engineer to handle it all.
Nice listen thanks
I'm in love with how good the the setup sounds but also with Stacy's mom ..
This comment has got it going on!
@@DavidPaigeMusic hahahaha Love it!
Btw, your song is such an ear worm, I've already started singing the chorus over and over again!
Glad you dug it!! Thanks! That’s actually a song by the band Fountains of Wayne. Super fun song!!!
I like the song at the end. Stifflers Mom 😂
Thanks for watching!!
She’s got it goin on!
Love this video!! Got a Question... SO i have BUS 1 set up for my IEM. The Mute button works great. But how do I get the faders to control my IEM mix??
I love this channel, please I really want to know more about sound eng
Thank you!!! What are you most interested in? Live sound? Recording? Recording live sound?
Thank you, looking at buying the Behringer Xr 16 , but thought it was going to take up too much time to learn the software?
Looks straight forward 😀
It's honestly not bad at all! Having said that, the app used for Android is different than the iPad. I haven't played with that a ton...I guess it's time to make a video about the android app, too!
What does your studio or stage set up look like? Getting your inputs all put together may take a little bit of work, but then you can save your settings and recall them VERY easily!
you guys sound great! It would be great if you had a video to show how you set up your vocal channel strip. Or any direction you can send me that would help me on that information that would be awesome!
Thank you Adam! I can definitely show you what we do for that!! Keep your eyes peeled!
@@DavidPaigeMusic that would be awesome! I know the basics with the compressors, the deessers, etc. etc. but it would be cool to do a bit more of a deep dive to using perhaps some of the vintage EQs and vintage compressors, etc. etc. to really maximize channel strips. Mostly I’m focussed on Male vocals.
Thanks for the video. Interesting how you did not have in-ears on when you did the test. Question. If I want the vocal effects added to the in ears, how do you do this?
Thank you very much for the video. I have a question: is it possible to mute channels in the main mix, but at the same time to make them sound in monitors? I can't do it in any way, it's muted everywhere at once.
Thanks for sharing man, what iem system should i get in order to get every mix sent in stereo to all the band members? we are 4
Hi man great help thanks. A curiosity. Here you are mixing all the band members IEM. Is there a way where all the band members mix theirs by themselves self?
Stereo in-ear is addicting!
Adam must be the owner of the band to deserve this.. hahaha Just kidding!
I’d love to know what it sounds like! However, I usually take one ear out and listen to the room. I swap which ear it is between sets to keep my hearing pretty even
@@DavidPaigeMusic it helps a lot to take things out of the middle. If you mix it properly, it feels more comfortable. And you can put less volume so you ears get less tired. But at the and of the day we all take one ear out sometimes hahahaha (sorry, im brazilian. I have a bad English vocabulary)
@@DavidPaigeMusic So when you play live do you use "one IEM in and one IEM out" and use floor monitors to provide sound for the non IEM ear? I was just curious as my band has just recently started using this XR18 AIR and I have discovered if I use both IEMs and the mix isn't perfect its hard to hear everything correctly.
@@mikemurphy5716 we do not use any floor wedges. When I refer to “hearing the room”, I’m talking about the audience. It’s not what my audiologist would recommend, that’s just my own preference.
If your mix isn’t quite right, keep tweaking it. It may seem weird, but you’ll want to isolate yourself as much as you need to in order to get the right monitor sound. For instance, if you’re a vocalist, you may not NEED the drums or keyboard or bass that much in your ears. It’s not the perfect mix for an audience member, but you’re looking for the perfect mix to perform your best.
What doesn’t sound right to you?
Nice demo with including mix examples. Thanks! The main mix at the end sounded really good but in beginning at 11:12 I would want less lead vocal , more guitar , more drums, less keyboard. Is there a problem with soft and loud parts regarding full mixes? Also, nice vocals! After second listen it seemed like Gibson might have been louder than Fender in mains.
Thanks for this video, it was extremely helpful. I apologize if you answered this during the video, I’m new to this set up, but can you run vocal reverb in the IEM‘s, separate from the reverb that is FOH?
We have this mixer and some of my band mates, once again we’re new to it and trying to figure the system out, think it’s either or, you run it front of the house, and you have to live with that in your IEMs, or you run dry in your IEMs. Thanks!
Hey there! Yes you absolutely can! Check out how in this video: ruclips.net/video/w6k8uxjX1LY/видео.html
@@DavidPaigeMusic thanks so much! I sent that one to my band mates and we will definitely check it out. I appreciate you taking the time to send that. Have a great night!
Thanks for the great video. I'm considering buying this. Did you all have issues with IOS16 for the X Air app? It has a 2.0 rating because of some bug.
I haven’t had any issues. It might be because I’ve been performing on a cruise ship, and I think the last time I updated my iPad was in October. I’m not sure about this one!
However my experience has not been glitchy. The only issue I’d say to make sure you look into is that the wifi access point is terrible. If you get this mixer, grab an inexpensive Wi-Fi router to make sure you can get a strong connection to the mixer!
What are the blue signal bars on the channel? Is it gain reduction?
I hope to get some answers…
Please what device gives this interface? On my android, I can only see up to 8 channels. How can I switch the view to see all 16?
I’m using the X AIR app on an iPad. I can scroll over to see more which is super helpful. Our bass player uses an android tablet and I have NO clue how to use it.
Hey David. Have you ever had any issues with the Seismic Splitter Snake? Does it sound good? Thanks
The only issue I came up against was that I had to replace one after about 5 years of beating it up. The metal casings started to fall off eventually and I had gotten away with taping them up for a while. Eventually, it just became too big of a hassle. I haven’t had any audio issues though. I highly recommend the seismic audio snakes (no affiliation or sponsorship lol).
Great video! Sorry if I missed this, but since you fan out to FOH, what do you use the main mix for on your monitor board?
Great question, I suppose technically, someone could use it as another stereo in ear mix!
We use it as a main mix for the shows where we provide our own sound and lights.
Got a quick question; can you use onboard effects on each bus? I'd like to have a bit of "space" with my IEM setup.
Yeah, you can! ruclips.net/video/w6k8uxjX1LY/видео.html
Awesome video. Our band is looking at getting an xr18. My question is does the sound come out of both left and right headphones in your in ears for each band member using your set up or just the one you’ve got set up for stereo? Thanks
Thanks for watching!!
All mono signal in-ear mixes still coming through both sides of the headphones. The only difference with the stereo mix is that you can pan certain instrument signals to whichever side you’d like. With a mono signal, it’s the same mix in both ears.
Great thank you
Great vid man. QUESTION: does routing it this way allow FOH to get your vocal effects? I was told I'd need a vocal processor hooked up before the snake. This wouldn't be necessary because of the Xair correct??
Thanks!
Hey Carlos! So if you are running sound, you can process vocal effects like EQ, compression, or reverb/delay, etc inside the XR18 (X Air) and then send that to the mains.
If someone else is running the FOH sound, they can process your vocal effects. If you wanted more control over your vocal effects, you’d need to get some sort of vocal processor to put in your chain immediately after the mic. So your chain might look like this:
Mic - XLR - VOCAL PROCESSOR - Split Snake =
Output 1 goes to your mixer - AUX send to your transmitter - receiver - headphones - your ears
Output 2 goes to FOH - FOH mixer - Main Speakers
@@DavidPaigeMusic excellent. Thank you so much!!!! Great clarity!!!! Keep up the awesome vids!
@@CrazyCharlie78 hey Carlos, realized I forgot to include where the vocal FX processor sits in the signal chain! I updated my previous comment to fix that for you!
David, has the Seismic Audio splitter worked well for you guys? Has it had any issues?
Thanks
Hey James! Thanks for watching!
This is actually the second one I’ve had. These things are great! I recommend them highly. The only issue I’ve had was that the last one I had ended up having some of the metal coverings fall off after years and years of touring. They got beat to hell and they withstood more than they should have.
Nice video and thanks for sharing! Just a question: why has Adam got a stereo aux since all the instruments are coming in as mono? The only advantage I can think of is that he can create a stereo image on his monitor by panning the instruments left and right.
That’s exactly it! He creates a stereo image of where he stands on the stage in comparison to the rest of us. With 5 bandmates and 6 outputs, by the time we started setting his up, he was like “I’m gonna do a stereo mix because I can!”
I made another video about his stereo mix.
How We Create the Ultimate Stereo In Ear Mix with the Behringer XR18
ruclips.net/video/1q5PaNeIeow/видео.html
@@DavidPaigeMusic I was really hoping you would show the panning of the stereo feed to Adam's IEM's. Do you just pan everything on Bus 5 hard left and everything on bus 6 hard right?
@@scrummie2 Thanks for checking this out!! Yes, Ausx 5 is EXCLUSIVELY sent to his left ear and Aux 6 is EXCLUSIVELY sent to his right ear. We also have these two aux channels "Linked" which allows Adam to tweak the mix a little differently.
I show how I set up his mix with the iPad on this video (about 09:30), but you can see how we do this on Adam's android tablet on this video:
ruclips.net/video/1q5PaNeIeow/видео.html
Maybe a slightly different explanation will help clear some of that up?
Why are you not using input 1 or 2 to acoustic guitar? Are you using DI box between acoustic guitar and mixer? Input 1 and 2 are high impedance input to be used by acoustic guitar or bass.
Yes, I use a DI box at the end of my acoustic guitar pedal board.
I organized my input list in a way that makes my brain happy by keeping similar instrument types together.
Since I’m only using an acoustic on like 5% of gigs, it didn’t make sense to reserve spot #1 for it. Plus I run the DI to a stage snake on most wedding gigs to save floor space, rather than my acoustic guitar running all the way to the mixer with a 1/4” cable.
If you use the Mixing Station app as opposed to the X-mix app for your IEM mixing, you can access and control the amount of FX that are getting sent to your IEMs, which you CAN'T DO with the "official" monitor mixing app (grumble, grumble). It costs a few dollars but is WELL worth it. You just choose your specific bus when you open the app (the default is NO RESTRICTIONS, and you don't want your bandmates messing with that). Plus, the Mixing Station app (no affiliation from me, I just like the app a lot) also has "LAYERS", so you can customize your screen to just have the channels you adjust the most often on one screen. This is particularly helpful when you are on the X32 and have more channels to deal with. Also, this vid confirms exactly why I can't stand to be on a mono IEM mix any more, lol. Adam FTW. Similarly, I like a fairly close approximation of the full band mix, with my guitar and vox sitting just above it. Well done on the song!
Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll definitely check this app out!
Love that you’re doing stereo mix too! Sounds fun! I haven’t gotten to try that one yet!
There’s a designated IEM App!? I’ve just been using Mix-Q and selecting the Bus my Ears are on. Is this the app you’re referring too or is there one separate for just IEMs?
LOL. I LOVE mixing station so I can attest to this. I got to my last gig and wondered why my mixing station app was throwing an error and I realized that back in the day it used to be free and when it redownloaded I needed a license. I was having a mental breakdown trying to figure it out! Once you get a hang of navigating that app (which is a task) it has so many customization options
@@JackOwensMusic The app I’m referring to is called Mixing Station Pro. It’s is not specifically an IEM app, It is a full access app for multiple platforms (Behringer X32, XR18, Soundcraft, Allen&Heath, etc). When logging into the app you choose either “No Restrictions” for full mix access, or you can choose a specific bus to monitor, such as a feed to an individual IEM system. You can also make your own custom layer of faders so you have immediate access to the channels you adjust the most, so they can all be on one page and in any order.
Plus, the labeling and meters have always worked for me, unlike with the Behringer/Midas apps.
Unlike Mix-Q, the ONLY downside is that when you initially open the app and select the mixer you are “joining”, your bus will not be labeled (such as “Jack IEM” or whatever you have it labeled as). You will just need to know which bus you want to monitor/control by the number.
Oh, and possibly most important, on the XR18 specifically, one of the “Native” IEM apps (maybe Q-Mix?) doesn’t allow any access to FX returns on the app, so you can’t adjust any FX without going to the tablet or laptop that is running the full mix. With Mixing Station Pro you can control reverb, delay etc to just your own mix.
@@JackOwensMusic Lol, I saw that you were already aware of Mixing Station Pro AFTER I typed my diatribe. Worth every penny of what it costs IMO.
1:45 The signal coming form AUX 5 AND 6 goes into adam's in ear transmitter system, but how did you do that? how did blend xlr 5 and 6 into one xlr? is there a cable?
Adam is using a wireless transmitter with two inputs in the back.
Adam has set input 1 to be panned to the left and input 2 to be panned right on his system.
Let me get back to you with the technical specifics when I get back in front of my gear. I’ll have more details on exactly how
@@DavidPaigeMusic Ok, I'll wait until you get back... what i've been using so far as a wireless trasmitter is a XviveU4, have you heard about it? so that's why I was asking you this question.
@@Jeff4014 I use the same Xvive unit when we have a sub sit in. It’s a great, portable piece of gear!
Adam’s in ear transmitter has two XLR inputs on the back. We send AUX send 5 to his left and AUX send 6 to his right. He’s able to mix those in his unit. That’s one of the benefits of a more expensive IEM system.
I wouldn’t recommend trying to use a cable to take the two signals from 5 and 6, then combine them into a single output to your Xvive unit. That wouldn’t get you what you’re looking for. It would still be mono, but the added volume of a second signal might make your mix clip and distort.
Good video. Can you do a video on how you record?
Thank you! I actually already did that video as well. Here is the link! ruclips.net/video/9xZN8_J0uWQ/видео.html
Since Adam is running stereo…is this something with his transmitter and receiver? Would this mean he would take up Aux Bus 5 and 6!?
Hey Jack! Thanks for watching!
Yes, Adam is an Aux hog and takes up two aux sends while the rest of us have to suffer with only one each 😂
His transmitter takes the two inputs that are sent from Aux 5 and Aux 6, and his receiver is set to have them go to his Left and Right side respectively.
First off, the bass player is very tall. Secondly, is there a way to put effects on discreet AUX's? In other words, can the singer have a different compression/reverb than the tall bass player? Good job on the video. Thx.
Hahaha yes, Adam is insanely tall! That tall bass player and I have different amounts of effects in our in-ear mixes. In fact, we all have SLIGHTLY different preferences.
Here’s a video I made about how we make that adjustment: ruclips.net/video/w6k8uxjX1LY/видео.html
Thanks for watching!
Question. How do you send Effects To A Bus (In-Ear Mix)?
Lemme make a video for you tomorrow!
@@DavidPaigeMusic Sounds Great Thank You!
Just wanted to give you an update! I’ve shot this video, and it’s coming. I’ve just gotta edit it together. Might be another day or two!
Thanks I Really appreciate it. Love your content! 👌💯
It’s live now! ruclips.net/video/w6k8uxjX1LY/видео.html
Probably a noob question but how do you get that quality audio out of your mixer?
Easy question to answer. A USB cable.
The mixer acts as a digital audio interface, so the UBS cable to your computer, laptop, or even phone, is all you need.
I have a video where I break this down more:
ruclips.net/video/9xZN8_J0uWQ/видео.htmlsi=M0UKSA4MRA0NcjpB
Do i really need snake or just a digital mixer is sufficient (4person band) ? What are benefits of having snake?
Great question. A snake is completely unnecessary if when you are the one running the main system. I actually really enjoy these shows for our band because it's one less thing to bring out.
However, if you perform at a venue or a festival that provides the main PA, then you will absolutely need a split snake. Sometimes (rarely) they will have one for this purpose, but you can't rely on that if you want to set up a self-sufficient system.
The purpose of the split snake is so the front of house technicians have access to mix each signal as they are used to doing it.
Hi, good Video. There is a App for only control the Monitoring: x air Monitor mix. This is very usefull.
There are quite a few apps that work nicely. I really like the Behringer X Air app for my iPad. I’ve also used AirPro MX on my iPhone which is fine for monitor level adjustments but I found it hard to do much else in that app
@@DavidPaigeMusic i like the x air Monitor mix for the musician. The cannot change other things on the x32!
Thank you for doing this! How did you record the bus sends?
Thanks for watching! This is a great question, and unfortunately, the answer isn’t quite that simple.
I recorded all of the audio from the show into my DAW (Logic) using a cable from the USB B port on the XR18 to the USB C port on my MacBook.
This gave me an unmixed multi-track recording.
I made a stereo “Main Mix” - which is the mix I used for our performance video.
Then I made 4 mono mixes and 1 stereo mix that were approximations based on the levels we all use on our Aux sends.
I actually made a duplicate Logic session to make the IEM mixes without disturbing my main mix from the original session.
One way you should be able to easily record your bus sends is to use a splitter on each one.
@@MattGoings that’s not a bad idea. Where would you send those splits though?
I just use a single UBS cable from my XR18 to my laptop. And since I’m already using that laptop to multitrack record the audio, I feel like I would need a secondary laptop to capture the aux sends in this scenario.
Yeah but in your buses do you use pre-eq, post-eq o others?
I’m 97% sure that our effects (EQ, reverb, etc) are pre-fader. We have the same EQ and effect levels as we do in the mains. We only affect the level of each input on our individual bus sends.
I’ll have to double check that next week when we have a show. It just snowed here and I really don’t wanna haul my in-ears rack out of the car and up to our second floor apartment today :)
I’ll do a video on this when we play next weekend!
Can each band member use their own app and change their own monitor mix if they want to? Or do they have to tell you what they like, and you do it with your app? In other words: can more than one person run sound at the same time?
Absolutely! We can all connect via Wi-Fi to the mixer using the X Air app on tablets, or the Air Pro Mix app on the iPhone.
Each member can connect at the same time and control any monitor mix or even the mains if they wanted to. I’ll throw a video together about it! Thanks for asking!
One thing that I do recommend is to get an external router. The built in Wi-Fi is absolute trash 😂
Yes sure
A better App is „x air Monitor mix“
Can’t you have the app on your phone and plug in your IEMs to your phone and just use that as the transmitter ?
Unfortunately, the app doesn’t quite work like that. The app is used to control the mix, not to be a wireless receiver. There are several frequency issues that can happen, which is why wireless transmitters and receivers have the ability to adjust the frequency you’re using to help you avoid some of those problems (distortion, static, picking up radio signals, etc). I’d recommend picking up an IEM that operates closer the 500.000 frequencies to avoid most signal interference around 240.000 frequencies
We're slowly converting to IEM's using the XR-18 as well. (Singer, me and the other guitar player use them, bass player and drummer do not) I'm basically the Tim of my band, even have the same amp. I haven't been able to achieve a guitar tone in my IEM's that I'm happy with, however. I wonder if it's a poorly set up bus mix, or if my ear buds aren't good enough. The buds are KZ-AS10's with 5 drivers per side and I plug those into the X-Vive U4. Things that you guys have that we don't are overhead mics on the drums. You said something about the kick drum levels making your mix muddy, that's kind of what I hear from my guitar. Mud with no punch. Now, it sounds great in the mains, so I've narrowed it down to either my bus mix or my buds. Does this sound like I'm on the right track? I'm also cab-less, going straight from the EVH head to a Two Notes Torpedo Captor and then XLR out from that straight to channel 11 on the Behringer.
Shoot me a dm on instagram at @davidpaigemusic and I’d be happy to help troubleshoot with you!!
@@DavidPaigeMusic doin' it! :)
Having recently switched to IEMs, I’ve accepted that their function isn’t to make me sound great to _myself_. If I know that the house mix sounds the way I want, that’s what makes me happy. The IEMs are there to: 1) save my ears because I can hear a workable mix at a lower dB level, 2) give me a mix that doesn’t change as I move about the room/stage. Also, instead of everybody getting their own mix with their own instrument louder than the rest, I actually prefer to have the IEM mix close to the house mix because I like to ride my volume pedal and make sure that I’m giving enough sonic room for the vocalists and balancing well with the other instruments.
@@joeemenaker I believe you just haven't found the right mix of things yet. I had a breakthrough last night where I was completely happy with my guitar tone, just missing the 4x12 floor shake. :)
How can we do it so that we all can fix our own mixes without bothering the one who has the tablet?
There is an app you can get for your phone. If you have an iPhone, you can use AirPro MX. you would need to make sure you’re making adjustments to the correct aux send, and then you can make any adjustment you’d like.
Can each band member just listen to the mix on their phone via blue tooth headphones??
Thanks
Hey Mike! Thanks for watching :)
Unfortunately, they can’t. The signal is transmitted via radio frequencies, using the in-ear transmitters and receivers. They make systems that cost from about $250 on up. Less expensive systems have less options for signals and will be more prone to interference.
For reference, I’ve since replaced the Shure system from this video with an analog Sennheiser system that cost about $1000 for the transmitter and receiver. I get much clearer sound now.
I suggest finding an analog IEM system that has a frequency range that is over 400.000 - there’s WAAYYYY less interference up there.
@@DavidPaigeMusic yeah I already have in ears via a low budget transmitter I was just wondering if Bluetooth and this box was a different new tomorrow 😀😀
@@mikeplaysthesmiths7454 a boy can dream 😂
You CAN connect your phone via Wi-Fi, but that’s just to adjust your mix.
This box is definitely still magic! Haha
@@DavidPaigeMusic yes it’s def my next buy to get DAW and live mixing in one box
@@mikeplaysthesmiths7454 message me on IG at @davidpaigemusic - let’s spitball options that fit your needs without breaking the bank
Why on earth wouldn't you want to hear the drums on the track? That's crazy!
Fair question. I can feel the drums in the room and I can feel the kick under my feet. Additionally, the vocal mics pick up some of the drums and even the custom molded ear pieces don’t keep all of the drum sound out of your ears. With zero signal of the drums in my monitor feed, I still have more than enough drum sound to make sure I’m in time with the drums.
The purpose of my mix is almost entirely to ensure that I can hear my vocals clear enough to make tuning and intonation adjustments as we are performing. I don’t care if the mix is what I’d hear on an album, I just want to sing in tune, so I cut out anything that doesn’t directly help me do that.
Dave seems unhappy to be there 😂
🤫 we are keeping him against his will 😉
@@DavidPaigeMusic 😂
Jesus dude! Get that rack equipment mounted properly. That shits going to be giving me nightmares for a weeks.
That was my reaction too. At least get a couple of shelves for those wireless transmitters and ideally fix them down
@@andyunwin9260 and @Bobby Uterus they’re all usually installed. My wife’s unit was not installed in part of the video as she had a gig the night before with a different band, so I slid it into place quickly in order to shoot that part during our band’s load in and set up.
However, you’re right about them needing some support from below. I will adjust the way these are organized so it will not give anyone more nightmares lol.
save me tons of time
I’m glad this video was helpful!
I dont understand why you wouldn't want the full band mix like what the crowd is hearing in your in ear
Well, there are a few reasons:
In every performance situation, it helps to hear the details of what you’re producing, especially as a vocalist. As a vocalist, if you don’t clearly hear what you’re producing, you run the risk of pushing too hard. That impacts your tone as the audience hears it, and it also makes it more likely that you may blow your voice out or at least make it really tired - and for 3+ hour rock shows, I don’t like running that risk.
Additionally, even if the faders were set EXACTLY the same in your in-ear mix as they were for the mains, it would sound so different. The in ear monitors have the length of the ear canal to make the sound. The mains have the entire room and subwoofers to make your body feel the bass and kick so it doesn’t muddy up the mix.
There are a lot of competing frequencies with 4 vocals, keys, bass, and 2 guitars. Mixing with a priority of what you NEED to hear to perform well is critical to accurate and safe performances.
I’m sure that an audio engineer can add more detail to what I’ve said.
Bottom line, protect your hearing, protect your instrument, perform accurately.
Works great until other members want to control their own mixes. No way to lock the others to only their own mix. Non tech members end up re mixing the main outs 😂
I wish I could have watched this without the background music. Hard for people my age to focus.
I'm sorry that the mixing is giving you some struggles with hearing what I'm saying. Have you tried the captions? There is also the option to slow the pacing to 75% or even slower. I know its edited at a VERY fast pace, but you may prefer a slower pace, especially if you're reading the captions to follow along.
Dang this thing is a mess!
If one must lower anyone in band mix then that individual must be out of sync.
What are the blue signal bars on the channel? Is it gain reduction?
In this particular video, the blue bars jumping are because the iPad is not connected to the mixer. That is a sound simulation that the app does automatically when it’s not connected.
When the app IS connected, the only bars you will see will be actual signal :)
If one must lower anyone in band mix then that individual must be out of sync.
If one must lower anyone in band mix then that individual must be out of sync.
If one must lower anyone in band mix then that individual must be out of sync.
@@Roberto_Garcia_ not necessarily. Our lead guitarist is insanely good at his instrument. I just don’t need to hear it in order to tune my vocals with the other vocalists.
An in-ear mix is an individualized need-based mix. Anything that I don’t need to hear in order to perform at my personal best is just going to muddy up my mix. I’d never set the main output to any one of our individual IEM mixes, the audience wants to hear something completely different. A balance that they’re accustomed to hearing.
Mixing an individual’s channel lower doesn’t necessarily mean anything about their musical integrity.
Having said that, I’ve definitely turned down a channel of a previous band member that was often not as accurate in their performances…