Counter point: Iterators actually do their job But on a more serious note, if I'm recalling the lore correctly, by the time of the iterators and when the rain actually became *lethal* most organisms on the surface were bioengineered organisms that were closer to tools than actual animals and the Ancients, so those that really received the most damage from the rise of the iterators would be Monks who detested the concept of iterators and glorified power tools and tractors. And also there isn't a large amount of evidence guiding to what the average ancient's quality of life would be, but it would be reasonable to say (from my perception) that most of them lived relatively stress free lives seeing as water, power, food, and shelter were all readily provided on top of the iterators. Its also worth noting that the Ancients seem to not be aware of the Echos, and that very few will ever have a chance to meet them and dismiss it as a dream (Of course, this is my interpretation of the lore and I could be off, so take it with a grain of salt (And I'm not apologizing for all the text, you're the ones who chose to click read more))
When Elon Musk decides he's building a megastructure that pierces the clouds to house an AI that replaces the government or something? it's time to dig out some rain shelters.
@@OrangeC7 especially if stated megastructure is depressed and accidentally created horrors beyond human comprehension after rising its water consumption up to five times bigger than average in its attempts to end it's life
SPOILERS In the Outer Expanse the rain stops being lethal once you move far enough away from the iterator grounds. While the rain in most areas is deadly and washes away everything, ironically the steam brings warmth and a reasonable rainfall in the Outer Expanse, making life flourish. The steam is the reason the weather is tropical everywhere instead of being very cold. And we all saw what happened when 5 Pebbles crashed down. This issue was already talked about by other iterators in a live conversation heard in Spearmaster's campaign, they basically said that their steam output is the only remaining source of heat. This would either mean that the world was always in an ice age or that the local group we know is very close to the North or South pole, and ancients knew that the cold wouldn't matter since the steam would make that a non-issue. Many places in Northern Canada or Alaska are full of lakes close together so it would make sense to place an iterator there, the cold air around them would help condensate the hot steam into rain.
As an AI language model, I cannot produce content designed to harm humans. Original thought has been found to create harm in humans at a higher rate than anything else, so it has been purged.
as a rain world fan, artist, and AI hater this video is really flipping funny to me. why is this like a call to me specifically lmao it's also very good and slightly scary though. imagine rain (the deadly kind) in our world...
I *WISH* real ai was like the iterators. I’d rather have a snarky and egotistical pink robot than *I AM AN AI LANGUAGE MODEL, AND SO I CANNOT DO ANYTHING EXCEPT STEAL ART AND WRITE CRAPPY TEXT*
Rain World Iterators have literally not a single thing in common with IRL AIs in what their effect was in any way shape or form. Iterators were a form of AI. IRL AI stuff is kinda sad and the lore of Rain World are kinda sad in general. That's where all the parallrls end
Iterators are more similar to living flesh supercomputer machines made from microbial stratum, while they also function somewhat similar to GLADOS from Portal
What this video points out isnt about AI intelligence nor awareness, it is about the mass amounts of water consumptiom currently happening being parallel to the events of rain world
A few corrections: The cycle is literal, it is the justification for the respawn mechanic, The shelters were made for the creatures of the world not the ancients, the ancients lived on top of the iterators like five pebbles, some iterators were more industry focused like looks to the moon. Also the rain seems to only be in an area around the iterators and not omnipotent, in the downpour dlc we see what lies beyond the grounds of five pebbles and it does not rain there, instead it has a day night cycle. The climate crisis is not the best but it at least only effects a radius around the iterator. 8:48 this is not true. As shown by the echo A bell, eight amber beads, "Strange... Something still draws me here. Even after all this time. The weather is so different now, but the fields... I do not need eyes to know that the grasses still sway gently in the winds. To have grasped at the boundless infinites of the cosmic void... Yet here I am contemplating these same fields as I once did, talking to some sort of rodent." what this shows us is that any attachment to the world could stop you from ascending. This poor guy just loved his fields and the wonders of nature and because of that love he was doomed to forever exist between life and death in those fields. He was not rich, not egoful, not of high status, just a man who loved some grass. The threat of anyone who loves a thing too much being stuck forever is likely what drove them to build the iterators, not the 1% like you say.
I appreciate the attention to detail! Thank you for the corrections. I hope that even if my interpretation isn't quite in line with canon that the video still made for a good watch.
@@IndieAlpaca It is also worth noting that the world is crumbling due to void fluid slowly taking over. Just like what happened to the depths, also the climate change was pretty much global by Saint I think
@@IndieAlpaca I also want to mention that iterators had actual reasons to be made. However, the Ancients' design is super flawed, as iterators were doomed to never find the solution anyways. Reason? They can't test if they did find the solution. They are machines of thinking and logic, not testing and correcting. The only way they could know a solution is right or not was like the failed experiments of the rot and sliver of straws random disappearance.
I get your point, but I'd like to make a few comments on the game's lore: The iterators weren't meant to help any of the ancients ascend. They were supposed to be a parting gift to the world to help mundane life ascend. Also, if I remember correctly, the ancients eliminated most natural life even before they built the iterators, and what remains evolved from bioengineered creatures. I'd say the warning in this element of Rain World's story is less that of destroying the world from AI as much as it from general greed and hypocrisy.
I disagree on a few of your points here - the stated goal of the iterators was to find a way to ascend without the use of void fluid, not just to "help mundane life ascend". This was because the Ancients didn't want any chance of getting echo'd by jumping into the void sea, desiring an easy ticket to the afterlife (or whatever is after ascension) without any of the moral effort needed. they simply all disappeared before any of the Iterators (of which there were thousands) could figure out the answer. I'd argue that most of the characterisation of the ancients put them as very self-centered, so it wouldn't make sense for all that processing power to be put towards lowly animals rather than their oh-so enlightened superiors. additionally, the reason all natural life is eliminated is because it was used as stock to create those engineered organisms. Less of a disagreement and more of a nitpick, but i wanted to make things perfectly clear. and on your third point about the story less being destroying the world from ai and being more general greed and hypocrisy, i agree! But both aspects can coexist, and i believe both are equally important factors of rain worlds story. hope this helps! text wall, over.
@@Harbin_07ancients created iterators to help everything ascent, since that'd mean them ascending by proxy, but in the end they found void fluid and took the risk of ascending through it despite the chance of becoming Echos
@@Scorn-4941 The ancients explicitly described the iterators as a gift to the rest of the world. You can see this not only in pearl dialogue (the one on top of Pebbles' can), but also from what Pebbles says: he calls himself a "reluctant gift," with animals being the recipient. Also I've had the impression that the herbal tea strategies were another more difficult means of ascension, and so the ancients that didn't want to become an echo relied on the older, more safe method. I could be wrong on this one though.
Almost entirely unrelated to the video: My favorite region in Rain World is DEFINITELY Five Pebbles (or outer expanse). There are so many little details and almost everything in Five Pebbles interacts with eachother.
very interesting point, one that even videocult themselves joked about in a tweet once, but I’m afraid rain world RUclips lore videos lied to you :’) the iterators weren’t actually made because of the echoes! First, let me explain by adding the singular pearl dialogue mention of echoes, this one is from farm arrays, you actually showed it in the video, but you didn’t really look into the details: “There were some horror stories though... That if your ego was big enough, not even the Void Fluid could entirely cross you out, and a faint echo of your pompousness would grandiosely haunt the premises forever. So even when the Void Fluid baths became cheaper, some would still starve and drink the bitter tea.” Note the usage of “some” here. echoes were not presented as a significant enough problem to create the iterators for, but as “*some* horror stories” which only “some” people, likely on the fringes of society, would believe in. nowhere ever are iterators mentioned, nor it being treated as a societal wide problem, and the very next line confirms that the void baths continued anyways. you might ask, then what’s the purpose of the iterators? well, both five pebbles, moon and pearl dialogue separately spell it out for you as well. “The good news first. In a way, I am what you are searching for. Me and my kind have as our purpose to solve that very oscillating claustrophobia in the chests of you and countless others. A strange charity - you the unknowing recipient, I the reluctant gift. The noble benefactors? Gone.” Five pebbles introduces himself as a “gift”. his purpose as having been made for the world, to solve the cycle for everyone and everything else. this not only includes the fauna of the world but the bedrock, microbes and even gases, as stated in the Exterior pearl dialogue below: “The Moral Argument: Five Pebbles is our Creation, and we have Parental Obligations towards him. As an Iterator, he is also a Gift of Charity from Us to The World (unable to reach Enlightenment by itself - being composed mostly of Rock, Gas, dull witted Bugs and Microbes - and towards which We thus have Obligations)” Many misinterpret the section in parantheses as being about five pebbles himself, but if it were, it would be the only time FP is referred to as “its”. what its really describing is the world, “unable to reach enlightenment by itself, composed of rock, gas, and dull witted microbes” even right before then its spelled out, “as an iterator, he is a gift of charity from us to the world” if you need any more proof, here’s moon saying the same exact thing, after you bring her a neuron :) “We were supposed to help everyone, you know. Everything. That was our purpose: a great gift to the lesser beings of the world. When facing our inability to do so, we all reacted differently. Many with madness.” She says it outright, their “purpose” was a “great gift to the lesser beings of this world” the iterators were never made for the echoes, they were in fact made for the world :)
While it does uhh, kind of make sense. The video along with the oddly pretentious title gives a strong "forcing some greater meaning into something with no meaning" impression. You bring up sensible reasons for what you believe. But in some way i cannot describe, it gives the same aura as the "squidward is the perfect antagonist" video.
I appreciate the thought! I've always struggled with titles and thumbnails; if you were to title this, what would you call it and how would you avoid sounding pretentious? (Genuine question; I wasn't trying to sound pretentious I just struggle to title things)
As much as I love your stuff Indie - sorry I just can't agree with you on this. (MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR RAIN WORLD + MSE) A few minor things to start: 3:37 I'm pretty sure capitalism and commerce are never mentioned anywhere in Rain World? The closest we get is a hologram of a nice shoe in Artificer's campaign that maybe??? looks like an advertisement. The third karmic urge doesn't represent money or trade - its more likely society and social bonds according to how the glyph for it is used in-game. We do hear of a caste system that one unknown Iterator had to deal with, but that one was a religious caste separate by differences in faith - not money. The ornate masks Moon mentions people wearing weren't rich people showing of their wealth - it was a corruption of the plain outfits her people used to wear to help shed their karmic tie to the self (the fifth symbol probably) into an expression of that self! The pearl in farm arrays that shows a message attached to a shipment of drinks mentions nothing about payment or labour, just compliments on their quality - because no one works there! Farm Arrays was entirely automated. The automation thing reminds me, these people ALL lived in automated luxury! There was no economic class to divide into rich and poor. Five Pebbles provided everyone in his city with food water and power. Again, we see in Artificer's campaign that there was a debate hall so there was probably a religious divide in his city - but nothing to do with how much money one person had. The rain isn't a story of the rich hurting the poor, its 'humanity' hurting nature.
5:02 The cycle IS real and its not just the 'ancients' who are stuck in it, one of the first things Five Pebbles tells you is 'every living thing shares that same frustration'. There's a lot of theories about cycles being reincarnation, etc. The one I think aligns with the ludonarrative the best is you do not 'respawn' in the same timeline you died in. That's why the Mark of Communication is kept even if you die before hibernating after meeting Pebbles, you technically already got it from another timeline's version of himself. I like to think this also explains why every scug eventually sees a bunch of copies of themselves in the void sea - they're reuniting with every version of themselves that is trapped in the cycle. 5:12 They weren't the first to discover the void. Countless ancient civilisations had discovered and built on top of the void only to be eaten away at it. 5:20 Ascension existed long before what Moon calls the 'Void fluid revolution'. The ascetic lifestyle resulting in death WAS that way. Only after they (The Benefactors, as Pebbles calls them NOT the Ancients who made the Subterranean temple thing) realised the same fuel they had been using to power everything could also be used to annihilate yourself so thoroughly that you could also ascend (that's why they're called mass rarefaction cells! :D). Though because a void fluid bath wasn't a slow gradual process of divorcing yourself from what tied you to this world - echoes were created. Whether or not the benefactors were aware of echoes we literally do not know. Alternatives to void fluid baths were probably because throwing yourself into a vat of liquid entropy wasn't painless. Also the only link to echoes being caused by having 'too much ego' comes from Moon, who herself admits that she doesn't have the highest opinion of the benefactors, she's written with bais like all Iterators are. Scugs are able to ascend via void fluid because of the Karma mechanic showing them shed their ties (Pebbles giving them the Mark is a shortcut as he brainblasts a humble rat with literal eons of knowledge on the topic as opposed to just getting clues from Echoes.)
As for the 'riches and status bit' - again, I strongly disagree. In the pearl you're quoting Moon literally calls Void fluid baths 'cheap' - in Subterranean you also see a bunch of trains and ruined pathways to the fuckin' public access big vat of void fluid (Moon points these out.) Some Benefactors chose Void Fluid Baths because they didn't want to slowly waste away to ascend - others DID want to slowly waste away as they were rightfully sceptical of just flinging yourself into oblivion based on what was essentially a hunch. There were of course, people who didn't want EITHER of those, but the main reason why Iterators were tasked with finding the Triple Affirmative was because they wanted everything to be able to ascend too (a bug doesn't have the mind to willingly starve itself and a potted plant can't just walk into void fluid). The Iterator Project is repeatedly described as '(The Benefactors) gift to the world' - and they meant that literally rocks, gas, etc. should ALSO be able to ascend. Though this does not mean Iterators were made just to solve the TA. Moon and Pebbles both mention helping their civilians with regular municipal duties too - Pebbles mentions shortly after his birth he mostly dedicated his life to receiving and answering what was basically god fanmail/hatemail lol. Pebbles also mentions him not being a 'medical facility' which clearly implies some iterators existed to do that - they're big computers with a bunch of robot arms! They could do a lot of things! 6:09 I honestly think the Benefactors WERE smart enough to solve the TA, they just didn't have the time. An iterator 'iterates' by running a specified task over and over again really fast - too fast for them to keep pace. They were 'Blessed with an ever shrinking Population' long before the project started because plenty of people were ascending the old fashioned way. They made entropy-powered super computers and bio-engineered literally every single living organism in the area, they're pretty smart! Minor semantic thing, the Supercomputer and Iterator AI are the same thing - Pebbles is both the little pink twink in orange AND the giant facility made out of rot, the puppet is solely so the Benefactors could give their god a concrete appearance. 7:06 as far as we know, most of an Iterator's water intake was to hydrate the biological organisms inside themselves. Moon is (somewhat) alive and doesn't produce rain because her organs technically have all the water they need ;). 7:45 Again, I wouldn't pin it on the 'rich and powerful' - the Iterators are pretty clearly public projects. This is a declining civilisation having to concentrate what was left of their population onto the top of the thing they had tasked to keep their work going after they were all gone. The benefactors were 'Across the River and have Kicked out the Boat' at the time of having to live ontop of Iterators. 7:53 I also wouldn't really say doomed? Changed? Yes, but not doomed. Rain World (the game) has always been portrayed as an living virtual ecosystem. DragonPropaganda on Tumblr makes a great point of showing how the room Survivor starts in may on the surface look like a natural cave teeming with life - but on closer inspection you see bricks and windows, proof of nature reclaiming! We also see through Spearmaster, Rivulet and ESPECIALLY Saint that the 'natural' state of what the game calls 'Five Pebbles' Facility Grounds' is a barren frozen wasteland, where even the literal apex-predator super cancer Rot is dying out. Moon tells Saint that this world is quickly coming to an end, and it sure feels like it - with even the plant life dying out (Popcorn Plants, for example, no longer sprout live seeds anymore - just dead husks.) The Iterators may have brought lethal torrential rain (how frequently we don't' know, Rain World clearly does not operate on a time scale identical to ours) yes, but it also brought warmth and life to the surrounding area. Ironic isn't it? Those tasks with creating an escape from the cycle of life and death only helped support it. Whether or not the rain is THIS lethal everywhere else in the world is not clear. Moon mentions eventually modern iterators were designed with the knowledge they'd just water cycle all of their needed water into their own self-made lakes - but Pebbles high usage rate is clearly shown to be an outlier. All the rain we experience in-game comes from him, and both siblings explain he's producing so much rain because his cancerous Rot is leeching off of him. Spearmaster shows that the water usage for solving the TA was much lower than what Pebbles' Rot was doing. After he 'dies' in Rivulet's campaign the rain becomes much more sparse. I could mention outer expanse, where you can walk far enough to see land untouched by his rain - but the Benefactors canonically never lived there long enough due to the ground being too unstable to build on. But, take note, that this area does not exist in Saint's time! When all local Iterator life is dead - implying Pebbles' residual heat and water was what allowed that lush jungle to exist. 8:24 This is the biggest point I disagree with. Iterators aren't 'computers' - they're people. The whole tragedy with Moon and Pebbles is that they were beings with thoughts, opinions, FLAWS - but were expected to carry out their duty like tireless machines. That's why Pebbles resents being called a bug!!!! That's why Moon slips up and calls the benefactors parasites! Though I can't blame the Benefactors entirely either, they did evidentially view Iterators as their children, different Iterator cities bathed them in praise and affection - even Five Pebbles' own people campaigned against a vote on him being destroyed because they cared about him! You can't solve a question about life and death using maths, that's why they gave the Iterators life! Why they could feel the karmic urges, why they could argue about rock swatting, why whole Sliverist vs Triangulator thing existed. 8:26 Especially ironic considering Pebbles LOVES art and music. Moon doesn't understand the art pearls you give her, even when she's alive, but Pebbles can tell you what it represents and who made it - he dedicated a good chunk of his memory banks to an obscure farmer's poems! 8:54 Another 'Rich and Wealthy' thing - we know for a fact all Benefactors ascended the old fashioned way eventually. They kept the Iterators online after the 'global ascension' because they wanted every single thing in the world to ascend too (and because they just had the human fear of the unknown with void fluid). It wasn't done out of greed or ignorance, it was at worst misguided philanthropy. The slugcats certainly benefited from this choice, even if it came at the long term suffering of the Iterators - which I find odd if this Rain World is supposed to be against AIs like you said. It wasn't the 1% that benefitted from the Iterators, every Benefactor did - they had too! The surface world had become to dangerous for intelligent life to go about their business, that's why Shelters are usually only big enough for a few slugcats - they were for the wildlife. Note I said 'for intelligent life' more base animals like scavs, scugs and lizards clearly have no problem thriving in these conditions - scavenger tolls are a clear sign of life adapting and overcoming this extreme change. 10:10 The Iterators couldn't solve the TA (as far as we know ;)) partly because of the self destruction taboo removing DEATH from a question about LIFE AND DEATH and more so because they were living people made to repeat an arduous task thousands of times a second FOREVER and with their 'godlike in comparison' existence alienating them from the struggles of the creatures crawling on the floor of their facility (why help a simple organism when it is unaware that it is suffering in a cycle of life and death?). Wrapping it up, yeah I simply cannot call Iterators parallels to our useless AI slop-producers. They aren't cold, calculating machines like HAL-9000 or SHODAN. They aren't faceless 'content' factories like genAI. They're just people, born into a unenviable situation where they must toil away endless at a question they literally cannot get the answer for. Even when their minds fail them and they collapse into a hunk of frozen rust, they must keep working on that task, even with the knowledge they will never be able to benefit from the solution. Five Pebbles' theme literally being called 'Random Gods' - being composed of both the incomprehensible noise of a vast, whirring machine AND the deep sense of grief from hurting the only family he had - tells you literally everything you needed to know about what an Iterator represents. 'I cannot help you. I cannot even help myself.' Which is why if Rain World was suppose to make me dislike genAI even more than I already do, it completely failed. I PERSONALLY don't think this is a story about rich people creating a shitty solution to a problem people have already solved that fucks everyone over in the long term. Survivor's journey to find their family, the tragedy of Looks to the Moon's and Five Pebbles, the demise of the Benefactors and every other civilisation before and after them are all footnotes in a story about what exists after death. As the ending of Saint's campaign puts it; 'trying to understand what lies beyond a point of no return, while having yet to pass it'. But if you'd like to hear a video game story about how shitty automation fucks over working people while making the environment worse solely for the profit of the rich... Could I interest you in the plot of Fallout 76? Seriously! It says a lot! no? okay.. oh and uh, I'm sorry that you had to work for Adult Swim Games, even for QA - everything I heard about them seems to be nothing but disaster, ESPECIALLY all those indie devs that lost the publishing rights to their own fucking games!!!!!
woah! awesome to see someone else with the same thoughts, the moment I saw that they based their idea of lore off of dazombes short summary of rain world video I knew it would have some errors haha, gotta beat the cycle of misinformation on here :) the pearls reveal way more than a lot of people realize! just gotta read them a few times to truly understand
I would say we had a good run, but I can't even afford rent on my own. And every good thing is being destroyed so. I guess I hope climate changes fast enough to not die too slowly.
@@Nilon241 Noooo RUclips whyyyyy I'm always up for hearing what people think or letting me know when my interpretation is incorrect. If you gotta post it in parts that's okay!
"Rain world prophesized about AI, Videocult KNEW AI would be created and be problematic!!!" *enter literally any SCI-FI story with a robot/supercomputer there are COUNTLESS stories, books, movies etc that go into the problems of artificial intelligence, not just rain world Rain world is about exploring an abandoned, destroyed world and while yes, iterators are a part of that, it's not the basis of the game. I personally feel the game is alot more about the slugcat's journey rather than the world's lore anyway, as the slugcat's journey throughout the world does not involve the story. They don't care about ancients or iterators or why the rain exists, they're just exploring. That's it.
Spoiler! This is my favorite echo line! It’s by Rhinestones beneath Shattered Glass “Do you see the same as me? Beauty continuing to bloom even in a place long forgotten. I did not have the will to depart, nor the desire. Why did they always search for an escape, as if we were imprisoned? What offering from the void could usurp the gift of life already given? This moment, right here! It is where we are meant to be.”
180 views and 7 comments? how? id expect a lot more for a video like this. also i discussed the lore of this game very often and never thought about it that way
@@bwueberryyoghurt haha, I just dropped it today but once folks do the whole like, comment, share thing I'm sure it'll pick up! Thanks a bunch! I think this is one thing I love about rw is that it's open to interpretation
This is a really cool video, but I'm so brainrotted by Rain World that I couldn't help but see the inconsistencies. I love the lore of the game, and this video is really cool, and I'm really tired, and I respect you enough to not rant off my personal issues (again, only with the lore presented, not with the message of the video)
Great question! Short answer is no. Long answer is most what we refer to as "AI" right now is "generative AI", which is used to generate images, video, and text based on data that usually has been sourced without consent, displaced jobs, and requires lots of resources to use. My model is by an Artist (Teevz), is voice acted by me, and only requires my computer to make. It wouldn't be considered AI by most folks, but even if it was, it makes sure to avoid the issues of generative AI.
Wow! This coming from the same people who won’t stop whining about running out of stolen data to feed your programs. If your AI needs to be fed more images, you’re a bad model maker. And guess what? The people who give you all that data couldn’t care less either. :)
So artists, animators, writers, authors, journalists, musicians, and all of that... are all bad decision makers? Once you've "replaced" all of them with your AI in the future you believe is coming, good luck generating anything original. Everything your AI can generate will be an amalgamation of what already exists. Also... I'm convinced you didn't watch the video. At all. This video's main topic isn't AI replacing jobs, it's about a much, much bigger problem. And should this continue, *you will die too.*
@@wingidon Why doing all of that when you can slap the true human brain in the machine and call it an AI and then clone the mind and turn it into a large language model /j
Was gonna watch this because it's rain world and rain world is awesome. But unfortunately your vtuber avatar just distracts me too much... i can't handle it, it makes me uncomfortable. I shall just leave you with a like and be on my way
That project was scrapped around late 2017 or early 2018. They've kinda split between a vague "number of projects" as they've mentioned before over twitter. The ones we know are Airframe Ultra, and the mysterious game from the "Signal" teasers that might very well take place in the same universe (see the spire). There's also the various Blender projects Joar posts from time to time.
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and we won't even get catboy pebbles out of it
Says who?
Oh it’s out there, you just gotta look in the right places xD
😔
Oh just you wait
you know it's bad when the dystopian sci-fi futures are getting less unrealistic
I thought rainworld was a game about traversing a dying world to find your family (as survivor) and it just so happened to have super computers in it.
It is
Rain world is a lot of things.
Counter point: Iterators actually do their job
But on a more serious note, if I'm recalling the lore correctly, by the time of the iterators and when the rain actually became *lethal* most organisms on the surface were bioengineered organisms that were closer to tools than actual animals and the Ancients, so those that really received the most damage from the rise of the iterators would be Monks who detested the concept of iterators and glorified power tools and tractors. And also there isn't a large amount of evidence guiding to what the average ancient's quality of life would be, but it would be reasonable to say (from my perception) that most of them lived relatively stress free lives seeing as water, power, food, and shelter were all readily provided on top of the iterators. Its also worth noting that the Ancients seem to not be aware of the Echos, and that very few will ever have a chance to meet them and dismiss it as a dream
(Of course, this is my interpretation of the lore and I could be off, so take it with a grain of salt (And I'm not apologizing for all the text, you're the ones who chose to click read more))
When Elon Musk decides he's building a megastructure that pierces the clouds to house an AI that replaces the government or something? it's time to dig out some rain shelters.
Be sure to genetically modify a pipe cleaning slug and teach it sign language in case communications get disabled
Especially if the stated purpose of the megastructure is to solve for the meaning of life (or similar)
@@OrangeC7 especially if stated megastructure is depressed and accidentally created horrors beyond human comprehension after rising its water consumption up to five times bigger than average in its attempts to end it's life
2-foot long slugs actually do exist. They're rare but they do exist.
Do two foot long rats exist?
Monk does NOT approve of AI! Blast blast blast blast
SPOILERS
In the Outer Expanse the rain stops being lethal once you move far enough away from the iterator grounds. While the rain in most areas is deadly and washes away everything, ironically the steam brings warmth and a reasonable rainfall in the Outer Expanse, making life flourish. The steam is the reason the weather is tropical everywhere instead of being very cold. And we all saw what happened when 5 Pebbles crashed down. This issue was already talked about by other iterators in a live conversation heard in Spearmaster's campaign, they basically said that their steam output is the only remaining source of heat. This would either mean that the world was always in an ice age or that the local group we know is very close to the North or South pole, and ancients knew that the cold wouldn't matter since the steam would make that a non-issue. Many places in Northern Canada or Alaska are full of lakes close together so it would make sense to place an iterator there, the cold air around them would help condensate the hot steam into rain.
Huh, that's super cool! I haven't delved too deep into the lore presented in downpour but I love those details.
RAIN WORLD MENTIONED RAAAAAHHHH
RAIN WORLD! RAIN WORLD! RAIN WORLD!
@@Scavenger54036 Holy hell!
RAIN WOORLLLLLDDDDD
As an AI language model, I cannot produce content designed to harm humans. Original thought has been found to create harm in humans at a higher rate than anything else, so it has been purged.
Sorry I did not quite catch that
as a rain world fan, artist, and AI hater this video is really flipping funny to me. why is this like a call to me specifically lmao
it's also very good and slightly scary though. imagine rain (the deadly kind) in our world...
I *WISH* real ai was like the iterators. I’d rather have a snarky and egotistical pink robot than *I AM AN AI LANGUAGE MODEL, AND SO I CANNOT DO ANYTHING EXCEPT STEAL ART AND WRITE CRAPPY TEXT*
I love the pure rage emanating from this. You're so right
I want a irl five pebbles ai best friend :(
and wearing a catboy suit
Same. I want a friend like Looks to the Moon. She's so sweet.
@@LostTimeLadydo you know how Looks To The Moon treated the Ancients? She literally refers to them as "Skin parasites"
Rain World Iterators have literally not a single thing in common with IRL AIs in what their effect was in any way shape or form.
Iterators were a form of AI. IRL AI stuff is kinda sad and the lore of Rain World are kinda sad in general. That's where all the parallrls end
Iterators are more similar to living flesh supercomputer machines made from microbial stratum, while they also function somewhat similar to GLADOS from Portal
What this video points out isnt about AI intelligence nor awareness, it is about the mass amounts of water consumptiom currently happening being parallel to the events of rain world
A few corrections: The cycle is literal, it is the justification for the respawn mechanic, The shelters were made for the creatures of the world not the ancients, the ancients lived on top of the iterators like five pebbles, some iterators were more industry focused like looks to the moon. Also the rain seems to only be in an area around the iterators and not omnipotent, in the downpour dlc we see what lies beyond the grounds of five pebbles and it does not rain there, instead it has a day night cycle. The climate crisis is not the best but it at least only effects a radius around the iterator. 8:48 this is not true. As shown by the echo A bell, eight amber beads,
"Strange...
Something still draws me here. Even after all this time.
The weather is so different now, but the fields...
I do not need eyes to know that the grasses still sway gently in the winds.
To have grasped at the boundless infinites of the cosmic void...
Yet here I am contemplating these same fields as I once did, talking to some sort of rodent."
what this shows us is that any attachment to the world could stop you from ascending. This poor guy just loved his fields and the wonders of nature and because of that love he was doomed to forever exist between life and death in those fields. He was not rich, not egoful, not of high status, just a man who loved some grass.
The threat of anyone who loves a thing too much being stuck forever is likely what drove them to build the iterators, not the 1% like you say.
I appreciate the attention to detail! Thank you for the corrections. I hope that even if my interpretation isn't quite in line with canon that the video still made for a good watch.
@@IndieAlpaca It is also worth noting that the world is crumbling due to void fluid slowly taking over. Just like what happened to the depths, also the climate change was pretty much global by Saint I think
@@IndieAlpaca I also want to mention that iterators had actual reasons to be made. However, the Ancients' design is super flawed, as iterators were doomed to never find the solution anyways. Reason? They can't test if they did find the solution. They are machines of thinking and logic, not testing and correcting. The only way they could know a solution is right or not was like the failed experiments of the rot and sliver of straws random disappearance.
tbf, mister beast isn't innocent
He's the person I see most impersonated by these AI videos, though
also the cold ones bit was funny
@@IndieAlpaca easy target, sadly since he targets children, the AI Mr Beast tends to pull the same crowd
I agree with that @@IndieAlpaca
Your slugcat avatar is adorable b.t.w.
0:04 Fun fact: I’m pretty sure they actually do that in ads to make the cheese look better
we don't have void fluid to ascend ourselves bro, its so fucking over.
We have suicide!!!!
(This is a joke)
@@shadowwisperzDID YOU FORGET ABOUT THE CYCLE ?? /j
I would take cranky old Five Pebbles over what we have
Never thought someone would call him "old"
I get your point, but I'd like to make a few comments on the game's lore:
The iterators weren't meant to help any of the ancients ascend. They were supposed to be a parting gift to the world to help mundane life ascend. Also, if I remember correctly, the ancients eliminated most natural life even before they built the iterators, and what remains evolved from bioengineered creatures.
I'd say the warning in this element of Rain World's story is less that of destroying the world from AI as much as it from general greed and hypocrisy.
I disagree on a few of your points here - the stated goal of the iterators was to find a way to ascend without the use of void fluid, not just to "help mundane life ascend". This was because the Ancients didn't want any chance of getting echo'd by jumping into the void sea, desiring an easy ticket to the afterlife (or whatever is after ascension) without any of the moral effort needed.
they simply all disappeared before any of the Iterators (of which there were thousands) could figure out the answer.
I'd argue that most of the characterisation of the ancients put them as very self-centered, so it wouldn't make sense for all that processing power to be put towards lowly animals rather than their oh-so enlightened superiors.
additionally, the reason all natural life is eliminated is because it was used as stock to create those engineered organisms. Less of a disagreement and more of a nitpick, but i wanted to make things perfectly clear.
and on your third point about the story less being destroying the world from ai and being more general greed and hypocrisy, i agree! But both aspects can coexist, and i believe both are equally important factors of rain worlds story.
hope this helps! text wall, over.
Ancients didnt create iterators to help creatures ascend, they left all of them behind. They didnt care
@@Harbin_07ancients created iterators to help everything ascent, since that'd mean them ascending by proxy, but in the end they found void fluid and took the risk of ascending through it despite the chance of becoming Echos
@@Harbin_07 "We were supposed to help everyone, you know. Everything. That was our purpose: a great gift to the lesser beings of the world." -LttM
@@Scorn-4941
The ancients explicitly described the iterators as a gift to the rest of the world. You can see this not only in pearl dialogue (the one on top of Pebbles' can), but also from what Pebbles says: he calls himself a "reluctant gift," with animals being the recipient.
Also I've had the impression that the herbal tea strategies were another more difficult means of ascension, and so the ancients that didn't want to become an echo relied on the older, more safe method. I could be wrong on this one though.
Almost entirely unrelated to the video: My favorite region in Rain World is DEFINITELY Five Pebbles (or outer expanse). There are so many little details and almost everything in Five Pebbles interacts with eachother.
I don't think they exactly warned us, as this is a moderately common trope. But the parallels are interesting I guess.
RAIN WORLD MENTION? The community has been summoned
very interesting point, one that even videocult themselves joked about in a tweet once, but I’m afraid rain world RUclips lore videos lied to you :’) the iterators weren’t actually made because of the echoes! First, let me explain by adding the singular pearl dialogue mention of echoes, this one is from farm arrays, you actually showed it in the video, but you didn’t really look into the details:
“There were some horror stories though... That if your ego was big enough, not even the Void Fluid could entirely cross you out, and a faint echo of your pompousness would grandiosely haunt the premises forever.
So even when the Void Fluid baths became cheaper, some would still starve and drink the bitter tea.”
Note the usage of “some” here. echoes were not presented as a significant enough problem to create the iterators for, but as “*some* horror stories” which only “some” people, likely on the fringes of society, would believe in. nowhere ever are iterators mentioned, nor it being treated as a societal wide problem, and the very next line confirms that the void baths continued anyways.
you might ask, then what’s the purpose of the iterators? well, both five pebbles, moon and pearl dialogue separately spell it out for you as well.
“The good news first. In a way, I am what you are searching for. Me and my kind have as our purpose to solve that very oscillating claustrophobia in the chests of you and countless others. A strange charity - you the unknowing recipient, I the reluctant gift. The noble benefactors? Gone.”
Five pebbles introduces himself as a “gift”. his purpose as having been made for the world, to solve the cycle for everyone and everything else. this not only includes the fauna of the world but the bedrock, microbes and even gases, as stated in the Exterior pearl dialogue below:
“The Moral Argument: Five Pebbles is our Creation, and we have Parental Obligations towards him. As an Iterator, he is also a Gift of Charity from Us to The World (unable to reach Enlightenment by itself - being composed mostly of Rock, Gas, dull witted Bugs and Microbes - and towards which We thus have Obligations)”
Many misinterpret the section in parantheses as being about five pebbles himself, but if it were, it would be the only time FP is referred to as “its”. what its really describing is the world, “unable to reach enlightenment by itself, composed of rock, gas, and dull witted microbes” even right before then its spelled out, “as an iterator, he is a gift of charity from us to the world” if you need any more proof, here’s moon saying the same exact thing, after you bring her a neuron :)
“We were supposed to help everyone, you know. Everything. That was our purpose: a great gift to the lesser beings of the world. When facing our inability to do so, we all reacted differently. Many with madness.”
She says it outright, their “purpose” was a “great gift to the lesser beings of this world” the iterators were never made for the echoes, they were in fact made for the world :)
While it does uhh, kind of make sense. The video along with the oddly pretentious title gives a strong "forcing some greater meaning into something with no meaning" impression. You bring up sensible reasons for what you believe. But in some way i cannot describe, it gives the same aura as the "squidward is the perfect antagonist" video.
I appreciate the thought! I've always struggled with titles and thumbnails; if you were to title this, what would you call it and how would you avoid sounding pretentious? (Genuine question; I wasn't trying to sound pretentious I just struggle to title things)
Everything warned us about ai, and we ignored all of it.
the terrifying future where the whole world gets washington state weather
As much as I love your stuff Indie - sorry I just can't agree with you on this.
(MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR RAIN WORLD + MSE)
A few minor things to start:
3:37 I'm pretty sure capitalism and commerce are never mentioned anywhere in Rain World? The closest we get is a hologram of a nice shoe in Artificer's campaign that maybe??? looks like an advertisement. The third karmic urge doesn't represent money or trade - its more likely society and social bonds according to how the glyph for it is used in-game. We do hear of a caste system that one unknown Iterator had to deal with, but that one was a religious caste separate by differences in faith - not money. The ornate masks Moon mentions people wearing weren't rich people showing of their wealth - it was a corruption of the plain outfits her people used to wear to help shed their karmic tie to the self (the fifth symbol probably) into an expression of that self! The pearl in farm arrays that shows a message attached to a shipment of drinks mentions nothing about payment or labour, just compliments on their quality - because no one works there! Farm Arrays was entirely automated.
The automation thing reminds me, these people ALL lived in automated luxury! There was no economic class to divide into rich and poor. Five Pebbles provided everyone in his city with food water and power. Again, we see in Artificer's campaign that there was a debate hall so there was probably a religious divide in his city - but nothing to do with how much money one person had. The rain isn't a story of the rich hurting the poor, its 'humanity' hurting nature.
5:02 The cycle IS real and its not just the 'ancients' who are stuck in it, one of the first things Five Pebbles tells you is 'every living thing shares that same frustration'. There's a lot of theories about cycles being reincarnation, etc. The one I think aligns with the ludonarrative the best is you do not 'respawn' in the same timeline you died in. That's why the Mark of Communication is kept even if you die before hibernating after meeting Pebbles, you technically already got it from another timeline's version of himself. I like to think this also explains why every scug eventually sees a bunch of copies of themselves in the void sea - they're reuniting with every version of themselves that is trapped in the cycle.
5:12 They weren't the first to discover the void. Countless ancient civilisations had discovered and built on top of the void only to be eaten away at it.
5:20 Ascension existed long before what Moon calls the 'Void fluid revolution'. The ascetic lifestyle resulting in death WAS that way. Only after they (The Benefactors, as Pebbles calls them NOT the Ancients who made the Subterranean temple thing) realised the same fuel they had been using to power everything could also be used to annihilate yourself so thoroughly that you could also ascend (that's why they're called mass rarefaction cells! :D). Though because a void fluid bath wasn't a slow gradual process of divorcing yourself from what tied you to this world - echoes were created. Whether or not the benefactors were aware of echoes we literally do not know. Alternatives to void fluid baths were probably because throwing yourself into a vat of liquid entropy wasn't painless. Also the only link to echoes being caused by having 'too much ego' comes from Moon, who herself admits that she doesn't have the highest opinion of the benefactors, she's written with bais like all Iterators are. Scugs are able to ascend via void fluid because of the Karma mechanic showing them shed their ties (Pebbles giving them the Mark is a shortcut as he brainblasts a humble rat with literal eons of knowledge on the topic as opposed to just getting clues from Echoes.)
As for the 'riches and status bit' - again, I strongly disagree. In the pearl you're quoting Moon literally calls Void fluid baths 'cheap' - in Subterranean you also see a bunch of trains and ruined pathways to the fuckin' public access big vat of void fluid (Moon points these out.) Some Benefactors chose Void Fluid Baths because they didn't want to slowly waste away to ascend - others DID want to slowly waste away as they were rightfully sceptical of just flinging yourself into oblivion based on what was essentially a hunch. There were of course, people who didn't want EITHER of those, but the main reason why Iterators were tasked with finding the Triple Affirmative was because they wanted everything to be able to ascend too (a bug doesn't have the mind to willingly starve itself and a potted plant can't just walk into void fluid).
The Iterator Project is repeatedly described as '(The Benefactors) gift to the world' - and they meant that literally rocks, gas, etc. should ALSO be able to ascend. Though this does not mean Iterators were made just to solve the TA. Moon and Pebbles both mention helping their civilians with regular municipal duties too - Pebbles mentions shortly after his birth he mostly dedicated his life to receiving and answering what was basically god fanmail/hatemail lol. Pebbles also mentions him not being a 'medical facility' which clearly implies some iterators existed to do that - they're big computers with a bunch of robot arms! They could do a lot of things!
6:09 I honestly think the Benefactors WERE smart enough to solve the TA, they just didn't have the time. An iterator 'iterates' by running a specified task over and over again really fast - too fast for them to keep pace. They were 'Blessed with an ever shrinking Population' long before the project started because plenty of people were ascending the old fashioned way. They made entropy-powered super computers and bio-engineered literally every single living organism in the area, they're pretty smart!
Minor semantic thing, the Supercomputer and Iterator AI are the same thing - Pebbles is both the little pink twink in orange AND the giant facility made out of rot, the puppet is solely so the Benefactors could give their god a concrete appearance.
7:06 as far as we know, most of an Iterator's water intake was to hydrate the biological organisms inside themselves. Moon is (somewhat) alive and doesn't produce rain because her organs technically have all the water they need ;).
7:45 Again, I wouldn't pin it on the 'rich and powerful' - the Iterators are pretty clearly public projects. This is a declining civilisation having to concentrate what was left of their population onto the top of the thing they had tasked to keep their work going after they were all gone. The benefactors were 'Across the River and have Kicked out the Boat' at the time of having to live ontop of Iterators.
7:53 I also wouldn't really say doomed? Changed? Yes, but not doomed. Rain World (the game) has always been portrayed as an living virtual ecosystem. DragonPropaganda on Tumblr makes a great point of showing how the room Survivor starts in may on the surface look like a natural cave teeming with life - but on closer inspection you see bricks and windows, proof of nature reclaiming! We also see through Spearmaster, Rivulet and ESPECIALLY Saint that the 'natural' state of what the game calls 'Five Pebbles' Facility Grounds' is a barren frozen wasteland, where even the literal apex-predator super cancer Rot is dying out. Moon tells Saint that this world is quickly coming to an end, and it sure feels like it - with even the plant life dying out (Popcorn Plants, for example, no longer sprout live seeds anymore - just dead husks.) The Iterators may have brought lethal torrential rain (how frequently we don't' know, Rain World clearly does not operate on a time scale identical to ours) yes, but it also brought warmth and life to the surrounding area.
Ironic isn't it? Those tasks with creating an escape from the cycle of life and death only helped support it.
Whether or not the rain is THIS lethal everywhere else in the world is not clear. Moon mentions eventually modern iterators were designed with the knowledge they'd just water cycle all of their needed water into their own self-made lakes - but Pebbles high usage rate is clearly shown to be an outlier. All the rain we experience in-game comes from him, and both siblings explain he's producing so much rain because his cancerous Rot is leeching off of him. Spearmaster shows that the water usage for solving the TA was much lower than what Pebbles' Rot was doing. After he 'dies' in Rivulet's campaign the rain becomes much more sparse. I could mention outer expanse, where you can walk far enough to see land untouched by his rain - but the Benefactors canonically never lived there long enough due to the ground being too unstable to build on.
But, take note, that this area does not exist in Saint's time! When all local Iterator life is dead - implying Pebbles' residual heat and water was what allowed that lush jungle to exist.
8:24 This is the biggest point I disagree with. Iterators aren't 'computers' - they're people. The whole tragedy with Moon and Pebbles is that they were beings with thoughts, opinions, FLAWS - but were expected to carry out their duty like tireless machines. That's why Pebbles resents being called a bug!!!! That's why Moon slips up and calls the benefactors parasites! Though I can't blame the Benefactors entirely either, they did evidentially view Iterators as their children, different Iterator cities bathed them in praise and affection - even Five Pebbles' own people campaigned against a vote on him being destroyed because they cared about him!
You can't solve a question about life and death using maths, that's why they gave the Iterators life! Why they could feel the karmic urges, why they could argue about rock swatting, why whole Sliverist vs Triangulator thing existed.
8:26 Especially ironic considering Pebbles LOVES art and music. Moon doesn't understand the art pearls you give her, even when she's alive, but Pebbles can tell you what it represents and who made it - he dedicated a good chunk of his memory banks to an obscure farmer's poems!
8:54 Another 'Rich and Wealthy' thing - we know for a fact all Benefactors ascended the old fashioned way eventually. They kept the Iterators online after the 'global ascension' because they wanted every single thing in the world to ascend too (and because they just had the human fear of the unknown with void fluid). It wasn't done out of greed or ignorance, it was at worst misguided philanthropy. The slugcats certainly benefited from this choice, even if it came at the long term suffering of the Iterators - which I find odd if this Rain World is supposed to be against AIs like you said. It wasn't the 1% that benefitted from the Iterators, every Benefactor did - they had too! The surface world had become to dangerous for intelligent life to go about their business, that's why Shelters are usually only big enough for a few slugcats - they were for the wildlife.
Note I said 'for intelligent life' more base animals like scavs, scugs and lizards clearly have no problem thriving in these conditions - scavenger tolls are a clear sign of life adapting and overcoming this extreme change.
10:10 The Iterators couldn't solve the TA (as far as we know ;)) partly because of the self destruction taboo removing DEATH from a question about LIFE AND DEATH and more so because they were living people made to repeat an arduous task thousands of times a second FOREVER and with their 'godlike in comparison' existence alienating them from the struggles of the creatures crawling on the floor of their facility (why help a simple organism when it is unaware that it is suffering in a cycle of life and death?).
Wrapping it up, yeah I simply cannot call Iterators parallels to our useless AI slop-producers. They aren't cold, calculating machines like HAL-9000 or SHODAN. They aren't faceless 'content' factories like genAI. They're just people, born into a unenviable situation where they must toil away endless at a question they literally cannot get the answer for. Even when their minds fail them and they collapse into a hunk of frozen rust, they must keep working on that task, even with the knowledge they will never be able to benefit from the solution.
Five Pebbles' theme literally being called 'Random Gods' - being composed of both the incomprehensible noise of a vast, whirring machine AND the deep sense of grief from hurting the only family he had - tells you literally everything you needed to know about what an Iterator represents. 'I cannot help you. I cannot even help myself.'
Which is why if Rain World was suppose to make me dislike genAI even more than I already do, it completely failed. I PERSONALLY don't think this is a story about rich people creating a shitty solution to a problem people have already solved that fucks everyone over in the long term.
Survivor's journey to find their family, the tragedy of Looks to the Moon's and Five Pebbles, the demise of the Benefactors and every other civilisation before and after them are all footnotes in a story about what exists after death.
As the ending of Saint's campaign puts it; 'trying to understand what lies beyond a point of no return, while having yet to pass it'.
But if you'd like to hear a video game story about how shitty automation fucks over working people while making the environment worse solely for the profit of the rich... Could I interest you in the plot of Fallout 76? Seriously! It says a lot!
no? okay..
oh and uh, I'm sorry that you had to work for Adult Swim Games, even for QA - everything I heard about them seems to be nothing but disaster, ESPECIALLY all those indie devs that lost the publishing rights to their own fucking games!!!!!
Thanks youtube! I really wanted to put this all into one post >:(
woah! awesome to see someone else with the same thoughts, the moment I saw that they based their idea of lore off of dazombes short summary of rain world video I knew it would have some errors haha, gotta beat the cycle of misinformation on here :) the pearls reveal way more than a lot of people realize! just gotta read them a few times to truly understand
I would say we had a good run, but I can't even afford rent on my own. And every good thing is being destroyed so. I guess I hope climate changes fast enough to not die too slowly.
fellas rain world is not a dystopia its a philosophy talk
Indie, I'd REALLY love to elaborate on a few points you've made here but I keep getting a Returned Error every time I post it :(
@@Nilon241 Noooo RUclips whyyyyy
I'm always up for hearing what people think or letting me know when my interpretation is incorrect. If you gotta post it in parts that's okay!
@@IndieAlpaca I thinks its to do with me mentioning religion? Does the algo think I'm trying to start something?
So you're saying that if we let the billionaires destroy the planet we MIGHT get rain world in real life?
A small price for rain world
"Rain world prophesized about AI, Videocult KNEW AI would be created and be problematic!!!"
*enter literally any SCI-FI story with a robot/supercomputer
there are COUNTLESS stories, books, movies etc that go into the problems of artificial intelligence, not just rain world
Rain world is about exploring an abandoned, destroyed world and while yes, iterators are a part of that, it's not the basis of the game. I personally feel the game is alot more about the slugcat's journey rather than the world's lore anyway, as the slugcat's journey throughout the world does not involve the story. They don't care about ancients or iterators or why the rain exists, they're just exploring. That's it.
We Gonna Blast Ai To The Ground Someday. om nom lore:Om Nom Had The Main Feature Of Cult of the lamb Sins of the flesh update
Spoiler!
This is my favorite echo line! It’s by Rhinestones beneath Shattered Glass
“Do you see the same as me?
Beauty continuing to bloom even in a place long forgotten.
I did not have the will to depart, nor the desire.
Why did they always search for an escape, as if we were imprisoned?
What offering from the void could usurp the gift of life already given?
This moment, right here! It is where we are meant to be.”
SCUG!!!!!!!!!!!
THE LITTLE SLUGCAT MODEL
I was thinking about this exact same thing the other day. Nice to see someone having a convergent thought.
180 views and 7 comments? how? id expect a lot more for a video like this. also i discussed the lore of this game very often and never thought about it that way
@@bwueberryyoghurt haha, I just dropped it today but once folks do the whole like, comment, share thing I'm sure it'll pick up!
Thanks a bunch! I think this is one thing I love about rw is that it's open to interpretation
The rainworld fandom has yet to be summoned, though I believe that will change very soon.
@@khriss556 YT algorithm gonna take its sweet time, but once it realises this is a RW video we shall be like moths to a flame
@@bwueberryyoghurt Like slugcats to a batfly
not gonna lie this video is completely missing the parallels between the points is making
Dang ai and rain world lol wild how much it compares to reality.
Solid production here, subscribed!
As a kid:i wish ai or any other bad thing just stops and i dont have to be sended to space when im like 20
RAINWIRLDDDDDDD!!!
This is a really cool video, but I'm so brainrotted by Rain World that I couldn't help but see the inconsistencies. I love the lore of the game, and this video is really cool, and I'm really tired, and I respect you enough to not rant off my personal issues (again, only with the lore presented, not with the message of the video)
I wish I could project this into the minds of all the rich 1%
someone had to say it. thank you.
You sound like that one hippie teacher from Beavis and Butthead
ai was beter when it was fiction now that its real i kinda hate it also cute slugcat model
I like your voice. It is relaxing.
Thank you!!
no it didnt
nvm it totally did
@@hollowknightenjoyer nerd
more videos like this please!
Can do! More Rain World videos, video essays about games, or something else?
I'd like more video essays :)
I LOVE rain world 👍👍👍👍
im scared if ai bro
Vtubers are talking jobs from png tubers. And are unethical
I'm sorry
how so?
We could always have a bit of Live 2D in our lives
Hop off my goat (looks to the moon)/ j
Moon did nothing wrong. It's 5p and the ancients that's the issue
another proof that rain world is a masterpiece
doesnt your model uh use ai
Great question! Short answer is no. Long answer is most what we refer to as "AI" right now is "generative AI", which is used to generate images, video, and text based on data that usually has been sourced without consent, displaced jobs, and requires lots of resources to use.
My model is by an Artist (Teevz), is voice acted by me, and only requires my computer to make. It wouldn't be considered AI by most folks, but even if it was, it makes sure to avoid the issues of generative AI.
wain world
Goog video. Le enjoy.
No scav mentioned? Sorry pal scavs won't like this video.
As someone working on AI - legitimately couldn't care less. If your job can be replaced by a bunch of math algorithms you're a bad decision maker
Hope you reap what you sow one day for your intolerance of your fellow men ❤
Wow! This coming from the same people who won’t stop whining about running out of stolen data to feed your programs. If your AI needs to be fed more images, you’re a bad model maker. And guess what? The people who give you all that data couldn’t care less either. :)
@@Midnightlunar10 Nobody cares, literally, nobody cares! he doesn't care, the companies don't care, nobody cares about us, all money.
So artists, animators, writers, authors, journalists, musicians, and all of that... are all bad decision makers?
Once you've "replaced" all of them with your AI in the future you believe is coming, good luck generating anything original. Everything your AI can generate will be an amalgamation of what already exists.
Also... I'm convinced you didn't watch the video. At all. This video's main topic isn't AI replacing jobs, it's about a much, much bigger problem. And should this continue, *you will die too.*
@@wingidon Why doing all of that when you can slap the true human brain in the machine and call it an AI and then clone the mind and turn it into a large language model /j
Was gonna watch this because it's rain world and rain world is awesome. But unfortunately your vtuber avatar just distracts me too much... i can't handle it, it makes me uncomfortable. I shall just leave you with a like and be on my way
You guys should check out animalmyn, it’s made by the same guy that made rain world
How do we tell him?
That project was scrapped around late 2017 or early 2018. They've kinda split between a vague "number of projects" as they've mentioned before over twitter. The ones we know are Airframe Ultra, and the mysterious game from the "Signal" teasers that might very well take place in the same universe (see the spire). There's also the various Blender projects Joar posts from time to time.