No. If he was worried about branding he'd own the term mormon like Hinckley knew was the best way. Nelson just wants to settle an argument he lost to Hinckley 50 yrs ago. Sad.
@brant munden Yes, that is deep disturbing how much we, as former members, and current members hero worship the president and his councilors of the Mormon religion. It is all part of the mental, emotional, psychological etc. abuse that they use. It is part of the BITE model that cults use. What helps me is this phrase, "I now know better and will be better."
@@Elias.Barney I hope the following links will help you to not be confused. In searching through the Mormon church's own writings the doctrine, policies, revelations, what past prophets have said...it all is full of contradictions. Contradictions are: -the statement of a position opposite to one already made. -a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another. -a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present. The BITE Model and Mormon Control - www.rationalrevelation.com/library/bite.html - Contradictions in LDS Scriptures - www.utlm.org/onlineresources/contradictionsinldsscriptures.htm - "...I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information..." --Steven E. Snow - Start With Faith: A Conversation with Elder Steven E.Snow, Religious Educator 14, no.3 "“I have a hard time with historians because they idolize the truth. The truth is not uplifting; it destroys…Historians should tell only that part of the truth that is inspiring and uplifting.” --Boyd K. Packer - D. Michael Quinn, Pillars of My Faith, Symposium, Salt Lake City, August 19, 1994 The leaders of the Mormon church purposefully withheld information from the members. They lied and whitewashed information so that it was inspiring and uplifting versus being factual and truthful. The Gospel Topic Essays, uploaded October 2013, were not announced as The Proclamation to the Family was. I first of them in early 2018. Members going to a faith crisis currently are just now learning of their existence. Much of the information that the leaders of the church have just recently begun to incorporate into their doctrine, was vastly different than what the leaders for decades prior taught. The Leaders of the Mormon church continue to lie, whitewash information, gaslight members, etc.
Yep. When I was a member, we were taught to love and embrace the term. Mormon was a great prophet, it was an honor. It only became a slur when Nelson unilaterally decided, on behalf of the entire membership that it should be taken as a slur. Until then, no one batted an eye nor cared. Another case of the church choosing to be offended by non offensive things.
The church has/had The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, most famous choir in the world. Created a Meet The Mormons Campaign AND Movie with the same title. So PLEASE just pause for a moment and imagine what that means if the previous guidance of the church allowed these things to happen while (According to Nelson" God was offended or was creating a victory for Satan. How can that be possible? It simply cannot be. This issue alone should be cause for concern for members and their faith.
This is probably the saddest attempt to ridicule the church. So many other avenues you could’ve taken. Do you mean to tell me that something that works for a time can never become useless or sour and perhaps begin to cause harm ? That’s the argument that president Nelson is making, bc times change and people do too. How can you not take a moment to see how silly your argument is ?
@@johnescobar6 not silly at all. Your current leader claims that calling yourselves that at one time was a “victory for satan.” His words, not mine. That is VERY different than changing your mind about something.
@@johnescobar6 the mental gymnastics you go through is both hilarious and sad to see. You really need to think deeply about this. Joseph referred to church during his time as the church of Latter Day Saints. That didn’t offend God in the slightest according to the continuing revelation he received. Then every prophet from that day referred to themselves as Mormon. But now, after 200 years, God says “how dare you for using this name, my son deserves his name to be recognized!” Why would a God who is logical, wait so long for the freaking title to a religion? That is so so silly to think about. It’s like the Scientology god all of the sudden telling them that they got their name wrong and should be called something else. Nah man, I say be a little gray thinking. You don’t have to believe everything a prophet said is from God. This in my opinion, is the “man” speaking in Nelson. And no way to prove it other than the spirit. In which I have felt confirm such.
@@johnescobar6 except that those campaigns cost the church millions of dollars. It’s not a joke, this is not a church but s business, it should be clear that it is a corporation.
"Truly the people called Mormons know how to give to the poor and needy." Dallin Oaks said that. He could be the next leader of the church. what he said isn't true. that church takes in billions a year and only spends a tiny fraction of that money on charity.
Indeed. It spent in the mall what it gave to charity in the last 20 years. A corporation that preaches honesty but does not make fiscal declarations. A corporation that creates shell companies to carry out side businesses.
Wow with Billions of Dollars why is there people sleeping on the street of salt lake..What Would Jesus do with Billions of dollars??? Such a mockery of Christ..
The Mormon are egotistical maniacs who don’t give a shit about no one they think there perfect n they try to Persue perfection n no one is perfect the only person is perfect is god.
And then what do you do if you spent the Billion of dollars to feed the poor and the money runs out? Jesus even said... "The poor you will ALWAYS have with you."
MrNirom see Mormon have all this money but yet they don’t help people they only help there church members they only care about there selfs is a shame the Mormons don’t help no one really it shows the lies of the Mormon religion yet again they don’t pay taxes.
Wow.. there is not a church in this country that pays taxes! Our church is almost the first one that responds in disasters all over the world. Even on a local level it is our church that helps out people all the time. You just have no idea what you're talking about.
@Jim Caponzi LOL... The only fixation I have with the Catholic Church is that I left 40 years ago and joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. NOT once in 40 years have I gone onto a Catholic webpage, or site, or anything having to do with Catholics. We have 15 Million members... and the Catholic Church as 1.2 Billion members so you HAD BETTER SPEND MORE MONEY THAN WE DO!!!!
THE OLD: "Dare to be a Mormon, dare to stand alone . . . Dare to have a purpose firm, dare to make it known" THE NEW: "Don't you DARE say you're a 'Mormon,' don't you dare to use that name! . . . 'Cause Rusty doesn't like the term, and Rusty runs the game"
OK so I guess another perspective on this is I am a Christian and I consider myself a Biblical Christian. LDS read the book of mormon so It is interesting that some of them consider that an insult or derogatory term.. That is literally the name of the book that they believe in.
It's the context that it was used in the early days of the church. It was said as an insult. It's also not the name of the church. It's like a teacher consistently mispronouncing a student's name because they are too lazy to learn how to pronounce it. The student will often look past it because they get sick of correcting the teacher, but it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.
@@PhoenixSunsNZ I know courage isn't your or any Mormons thing , but you should try WATCHING the video you are commenting on, it shows how full of beans you are.
@@PhoenixSunsNZ Really? I have several sermons I found on your church website that say otherwise. Why do you people insist on telling stories like this? Wouldn't it be so much better to be truthfiul? I guess the takeaway is you have to do this to defend your church, and because you must do so, it shows the church should be torn down.
@JEM Seven It's just how they roll, it's disrepectful to be so dishonest with people, but they won't bat an eye to do so. Some of them actually love it.
Rusty Nelson clearly doesn't agree with the precedents and pronouncements of many of his colleagues through the years. To me, this is just more flip-flop . . . like with race, sexuality, polygamy, the U. N., ordinances for children of "gay" people, etc., etc., etc., etc.
"The Lord has impressed upon my mind the importance of this issue" Translation: "Gordon Hinckley hurt my feelings 25 years ago and now I'm finally getting back at him"
Stormin Norman, the latter Day Mormon. Used to ride a bicycle, now I'm driving a Corolla. They say I am deprived cause I don't drink Coca Cola. But I don't want that devil drink, I'd rather get Ebola.
Because we study the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants as well as the Bible these commandments would of impressed upon his mind; 3 Nephi 27:7-8 7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake. 8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel. D&Cs 115:3-4 3 And also unto my faithful servants who are of the high council of my church in Zion, for thus it shall be called, and unto all the elders and people of my Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, scattered abroad in all the world; 4 For thus shall my church be called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
@@gordonmcelvany8990 To those who believe... it does. But that is the way it is with all faiths. Just becasue you say it... does not make it so either!
@NaDopros That is a secret. Only members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints know and understand what Kolob really is. Even when others try to use it... they always use it wrong.
I didn’t see anything contradicting here. There’s just guys calling themselves the improper name, and then the prophet telling themselves not to call themselves that. The apostles and prophets don’t claim to be perfect. Not even Jesus’ own disciples were perfect.
The true church did not worship a god from another planet, the true church did not mock Jesus Christ and say He was the brother of Lucifer (This is blasphemy.), there was no mandatory tithing, no temple recommend, no temple (they met in homes), no worthiness interviews, no secret handshakes, no veil was put back up that God destroyed, no baptizing for the dead (I Cor. 15 is talking about pagans who baptized for the dead. (Otherwise what will THEY do who are being baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are THEY baptized for them?), the true church never said you are damned if you deny polygamy, they did not believe you could become a god someday, they did not have priests (Hebrews 7 Jesus is our High Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek), the true church never said you have to believe Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God, etc..
Faye Lewis. You have given your own opinion that in the true Church there was no baptizing for the dead. You have no basis for your affirmation that it was pagans who did so. Scripture does not say that. Some interpretations which have been made in the Church are that it was water baptism by Christians on behalf of the dead, or that the "baptism" was a baptism of suffering and of tears on behalf of the dead. Either way, St Paul did not condemn the practice, and it seems evident from the context that it was a practice of some Christians-no suggestion of paganism. Heresies and cults often take a poorly understood or neglected aspect of Biblical teaching and put their own spin on it. The Christian does have to address the question of whether God will provide baptism for believing dead who had not received it in this life.
Baptizing for the dead is pagan. The New Apostolic Church and the Old Apostolic Church also practice baptism for the dead, as well as Communion and Sealing to the Departed. In this practice a proxy or substitute is baptised in the place of an unknown number of deceased persons. Outside of Christianity, proxy baptisms were practiced by the Mandaeans of Iraq and Iran The Bible says, "It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment." When Jesus told the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man was already in torment. Luke 16:26 Besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that those who want to pass over from here to you cannot; neither can those from there cross over to us.’ Heresies and cults often take a poorly understood or neglected aspect of Biblical teaching and put their own spin on it. That is definitely true. The practice of baptizing for the dead has as its basis in the misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:29: “Otherwise, what will THEY do, those being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not at all raised, why indeed are THEY baptized on behalf of the dead?” We do know by comparing it with the rest of Scripture that it does not mean that a dead person can be saved by someone else being baptized on his or her behalf, because baptism is not a requirement for salvation in the first place (Ephesians 2:8; Romans 3:28; 4:3; 6:3-4). The entire passage (vv. 12-29) is about the surety of the resurrection, not about baptism for the dead. What was being baptized for the dead? The plain meaning of the Greek in verse 29 is that some people are being baptized on behalf of those who have died-and if there is no resurrection, why are they doing this? Paul is referring to a pagan custom (notice he uses they, not "we"). Paul merely says that if there is no resurrection, why would the custom take place? The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead is neither scriptural nor sensible. Baptism for the dead is a practice that was common in the pagan religions of Greece and is still practiced today by some cults; but it doesn't change a person's eternal destiny, for that is determined while he lives (Luke 16:26).
The Christian does not have to address the question of whether God will provide baptism for believing dead who had not received it in this life. The Bible tells us all we need to know for now. Will the thief on the cross, who is already in Paradise, ever be baptized? The Bible doesn't say. Many people become Christians and never have the opportunity to be baptized. Nowhere in the Bible is anyone told to baptize for the dead. Baptism doesn't save you from hell. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can save you.
Faye. So you think that St Paul took a "pagan", non-Christian practice to support his teaching of the Christian resurrection hope? That does not seem like St Paul, and does not seem to fit the context. "They" can refer to some Christians. After all, whose distinctive emphasis was on the resurrection, other than Christians? You seem to impose a dubious interpretation on the Bible, bringing in supposed facts from outside sources, but there is no suggestion in St Paul's words that he was disapproving of the practice or considered it alien to Christianity.
There are literally dozens of verses in the New Testament that attribute salvation to faith/belief with no other requirement mentioned in the context. If baptism, or anything else, is necessary for salvation, all of these verses are wrong, and the Bible contains errors and is therefore no longer worthy of our trust. An exhaustive study of the New Testament on various requirements for salvation is not necessary. Receiving salvation is not a process or a multi-step formula. Salvation is a finished product, not a recipe. What must we do to be saved? Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and we will be saved. The whole passage is talking about whether the resurrection is true. Nowhere is it stated that Christians were baptizing for the dead. Paul was clearly talking about other people. Otherwise what will THEY do who are being baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are THEY baptized for them? The real issue is that Joseph Smith said Christianity was of the devil, Christians were deceived by Satan, the anti Christ and then he invents his own god who was once a man somehow and magically became God and tries to use the Bible of all things, to justify all his wild, blasphemous beliefs. I understand the Bible better than Joseph Smith and every other prophet and apostle, so why would I want to become LDS? I will never bow down and worship a god that was once a man because that is idolatry. Romans 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served what has been created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen.
Having the B.I.T.E Model used one person does have that hypnotizing effect. www.mormonfaithcrisis.com/assessing-the-mormon-church-using-steven-hassans-bite-model-for-cults/
I’m thinking the same way now that I’m looking myself back. Good thing I had lots of “distractions” (Mormons perspective) to keep myself away from this culty conference lol.
Out of context, indeed! LOL. I remember getting ready for my mission in 1990 when Rusty Nelson delivered his conference talk suggesting that people stop using the term “Mormon” and then being on my mission six months later when GB Hinckley politely refuted Rusty’s talk. Fast forward a few years later when Rusty is installed as PotC. One of his first pronouncements was to make everyone pretentiously used the full and entire male of the church. Divine revelation? I think not!
The church has/had The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, most famous choir in the world. Created a Meet The Mormons Campaign AND Movie with the same title. So PLEASE just pause for a moment and imagine what that means if the previous guidance of the church allowed these things to happen while (According to Nelson" Gad was offended or was creating a victory for Satan. How can that be possible? it simply cannot be. This issue aloe should be cause for concern for members and their faith.
People do not wonder why “emphasizing something so inconsequential” is necessary maybe Mormon members do. I think other people simply don’t care period. And as if addressing this issue makes it all important to everybody in the world. Talk about self importance or the teenage complex. Reminds me of how teenagers act a certain way because they think all eyes are on them while in public but yet do things to draw that attention in the first place and which confirms to them that they are at front and center stage. My goodness and Oh brother!
Me Too, In both The Book of Mormon (3 Nephi 27) Christ commanded that everything is to be done in his name, like prayer to the Father in his name we should call the church in his name. Then in Doctrine & Covenants 115 received in 1838 Christ commanded Joseph and his other servants to call it The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That's why before 1838 it had a couple of other names like "The Church of God".
Cracks me up how all these very creepy old men all look like bond villains. Its telling how they all exhibit disdain while talking to members, and they practically worship these creeps.
As I have said before, at least 3 prophets of this religious organization have made confusing or conflicting statements. I'm so sorry to one of my favorite cousins, who is of this religion, but this is a proven false belief system! To believe otherwise, is to practice self deception!!!
shirley goss: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was so named on April 26, 1838. President Nelson is counseling members of the Church to call it by its proper name and not "Mormon." It was never called the "Mormon Church."
@@dleoburns When it was named is not at issue. The fact the various Prophets of the Church in the last 40 years have said the nick name Mormon is okay, or not okay, is the issue. Either they agree as one, or it is not truly of God! If it were of God, no one, to say nothing of leadership would have successfully nicknamed it after it's book. The nickname is only one problem, of many, which should reveal to the members, the underlying false teachings of that organization! I apologize to those who sincerely believe the Church, but I see no other way to understand what is happening!
@@shirleygoss1988: The Church didn't nickname it. Outsiders did. "Dallin H. Oaks explains: "Revelations from God . . . are not constant. We believe in continuing revelation, not continuous revelation. We are often left to work out problems without the dictation or specific direction of the Spirit."[14] Thus the current prophet can clarify, correct or change any previous teachings.[15] However, once a doctrine has been accepted by the church by "common consent", it becomes part of the Standard Works, and then takes precedence over any other revelation.[16] Members of the LDS church only consider themselves bound by doctrine found in the Standard Works.[17]" [Wikipedia/Revelation (Latter Day Saints)/Inspired vs. infallible] The Standard Works of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints include the King James Version of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine & Covenants of the Church, and the Pearl of Great Price. Our total doctrine is published in these four books.
@@dleoburns I did not say the Church gave it the nickname! However since different Presidents of the church did not forbid it, and possibly encouraged it , in the mind of many that would seem a validation? The idea of change or 'clarification' means ultimately that there is no consistentent teaching authority in your organization. That should absolutely shred it's credibility in the minds of it's faithful. Unless it's possible that Moroni 10:3-5 is so subjective, that in that regard, otherwise sensible people are rendered spiritually blind?
@@shirleygoss1988: Prophets are human beings. Human beings sin and are not perfect. Prophets are not perfect. Was Noah perfect? How about Moses? Why was Moses not allowed to enter the Promised Land? "The idea of change or 'clarification' means ultimately that there is no consistent teaching authority in your organization." That is why we are told to go to the scriptures as the source for preparing lessons and talks. There is nothing subjective about the ministry of the Holy Ghost.
This is very much picking at flies actually. You are taking things out of context. Mormons believe in modern revelation and they are allowed to update their own internal communication policies. You are taking things out of context, switching timelines, pulling things from one era and overlapping them on another era, etc. If you think that this is a major contradiction of some kind, you should look harder. Some of these speeches are from like 20 years ago and Russel M Nelson was updating the Church policy to direct it towards Christ. It is somewhat of a pathetic attempt at making something look bad which is really isn't, as they are doing their best to bring things into better alignment.
It is a statement in favor of the consistency of the Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints, that when looking for contradictions to demonstrate against it, the best they can find is that a church that believes in ongoing revelation, which once accepted a nickname the world gave it, stopped accepting that nickname when instructed by revelation to do so. Where is the contradiction there? Not to mention that half the Mormon quotes are apostles quoting others calling church members Mormons, as opposed to using the word themselves.
I'm curious to know if the next prophet will promote the nickname "Mormon" again.. it seems to change every decade. However, Mr Burns(Nelson) really doubled down this last time, saying it's a major victory for Satan. lol it's strange because I remember the church used to promote the nickname Mormon. I remember seeing billboards and commercials with the slogan, "I am a Mormon." For claiming to speak with God, you think the prophets would be on the same page concerning this small detail
The god of Mormonism is a notorious flip - flopper. He ushered in the flip flop doctrine of at first not letting children of gay parents be baptized until they got old enough and denounced their gay parents first. To fast forward 3 years for the god of Mormonism to change his mind and let kids of gay parents be baptised. Russ did change church times to 2 instead of 3 hours of it on a Sunday. Oh, and he let missionary sisters wear pants. All sooooo important!. Never mind warning us all about an impending global virus. Or anything that actually has anything to do with humankind in spite of the Mormons spouting that their prophet is the mouthpiece for God on Earth. It's all about Pay... pray... and obey. And be subservient to a religion which has an estimated $240 BILLION asset base.
What makes you think that there are polygamous Gods in the Milky Way? Expand your mind out of the galaxy. Lets say something like...... There are polygamous Gods that each created their own Galaxy.
@@danblackwelder5995 Why underestimate the power, love and gifts of God? There are galaxies beyond what the Hubble telescope could see... in all directions!!!
@@danblackwelder5995 Trillions? Is that all? I believe you were wrong in the thinking that there were so many in the Milky Way. Just one per galaxy. You are asking me? They have not even built a telescope that can see that far. When they do... let me know.
Here it goes... mormon, Mormon, MORMON, MOOORMOOON!!!!!!!! And now... mormon church, Mormon Church, MORMON CHURCH, MOOOORMOOON CHUUUURCHHHHHH! There, I said it.
>>>Here it goes... mormon, Mormon, MORMON, MOOORMOOON!!!!!!!! Now you've done it! You,'re going straight to hell. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200 🤢
@Jim Caponzi When you stand in front of God on Judgment Day... all he has to see is your comments on RUclips... and you will be in Hell. Good Luck with that!
This is cracking me up. RMN talks about how back in the early days of the church, Mormon used to be a derogatory term. President Hinckley, and Monson actually did some good when they gave Mormons a better name. That kind of fixed the problems that the past used to have in the church. It's funny, that today they always talk about how the past doesn't matter, and sometimes they even do things to try to fix things that were a problem in the past. (Mostly ny gaslighting lol but still.) But here he is, drumming up things the truly don't matter anymore. The talk of the day is that the past problems of the church don't matter. Yet here he is digging it all up and choosing to CHANGE THIS THING! The thing that isn't even a big deal, and it actually got fixed by previous prophets! If he's going to fix something, he should try addressing something that's actually problematic. But I guess none of that can be fixed LOL, so changing the name of the church is kind of like a decoy to make people feel better, or at least himself. I know this has been a bee in his bonnet for decades, and I know he used to butt heads with the men that changed it, so now he's going nuts on it because he has the power to do so. SMH 🙄
Earth shattering! So damning! If you could show this to all members of the church everyone would leave in an instant! I bet not one single member of the church realizes that other presidents of the church have used the word "mormon"!
Think again Alex, Fortunately we're aware this is a manipulative and deceitful video because we heard the entire talks at the general conference sessions, so we know what was said before and after what's shown here and they did not mean what this video makes it seem like. We know we are surrounded by apostates and bigots who would do anything to drag us off the narrow path to the gates of heaven, surrounded by people intending to entice us and lure us into paths of destruction.
Like Daniel Moore said, I'm afraid you're wrong. I've met a lot of former members of Christ's restored church, and they said they discovered "the truth", they found all the mistakes etc. But as I'm listen to them they were usually affected by the culture created by members of this same church, or teachings and doctrines weren't explained/understood properly. I respect the opinions of people and we should all do what we believe/feel it's right. It just makes me sad (not even mad or frustrated) when some miss out on opportunities because they didn't get the chance to be taught correctly, didn't understand certain things or simply put all their effort in finding mistakes instead of really trying to understand it. If you don't trust these men, don't believe in the revelations given by Jesus Christ etc, that's great, as long as you're happy with it. If your hope is that everyone stops believing, I have to disappoint you.
@@alexblake5743 Lol, yeah not earth shattering at all. It is very strange though that Nelson even addressed this when it truly was a non issue. I'm pretty sure while he was an apostle instead of a prophet he hated the I'm a Mormon campaign, and now he finally gets to run the show how he wants to lol. I don't believe for a second that it was God that told him to give this talk, and for him to tell people that the "Mormon" nickname is somehow a victory for satan. They're all just men, same as you and me. God doesn't speak to them
thenowchurch, we're not ashamed of anything about the name mormon, the church is ashamed it's allowed the world to make it break a commandment from Christ. Christ commanded his people to do everything in his name, prayer to the Father in his name, that includes calling his Church in his name. 3 Nephi 27:7-8 7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake. 8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
The book of mormon is fiction you should use your God giving brain witch God gave you to use. I could give you a list of why its fiction but it would go over your head. But the book of mormon was translated from reformed egytion a language that has never existed been spoken or written thats just one example of how the book of mormon is fiction.
Nelson gave a talk almost word for word the same year Hinckley gave his talk "Mormon means More Good" it was as if Hinckley was responding to Nelson's talk 6 months before. I'm glad I left. If they were half as true as they claim, they would not be throwing past leaders under the bus and hitting reverse.
No, no. It's not a coincidence. In Hinckleys talk he actually says he's speaking out against Nelson's talk 6 months before. Watch it. It's a total smack down. No wonder Nelson is so hyped up about sorting this old score now Hinckley is dead. Nelson even said in this recent speech that those who promote the name mormon are "doing the work of Satan". That's low. To call a previous prophet doing the work of Satan just because he disagreed with you? Now he's dead? Low.
Called out ones, assembly, congregation, and The Way were words used to describe the body of Christ. "Church" was used by King James to describe the "Catholic church that existed at the time of the writing of the KJV. Ask you neighborhood Greek what ekklesia means.
I feel sad, back in the late 1800-1900 Christianity was going through an enlightening and reformation, it's so sad to see brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus split between doctrines and thoughts, some who loved Christ Jesus more than I get expelled or split off due to doctrinal issues, yes doctrine is important, love of Jesus is important. It's sad when there is a greying/ muddying of waters..a person could swim for years and not find the pearl of high value, if the waters were clear the whole world would see the shinning pearl. I wish there was simply good/evil. Truth/lies. Satan does a remarkable job injecting 50 shades of grey into the spiritual world
@Jim Caponzi Poor Jim... still using the filthy foul mouth his mother must have taught him to use. Catholics don't have Apostles.... and they never had a Prophet!!!
@@MrNirom1 the pope is a prophet because he claims to speak to God witch the bible says that is what a prophet is and does. You should really use your Brain as the old saying goes use it or loose it.
@@russelledwards7084 Wow.. No... The Pope is not the Prophet. I grew up Catholic. Nothing was ever mentioned that the Pope spoke with God... and here is what God had to say.
What a silly video of selective video editing where no context is given. True none of these men are perfect and would never claim to be." I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
line upon line precept upon precept. One does not read a book backwards. Truth is unfolded like the turning pages of a book. The lord gives further light and knowledge to his profits in every dispensation. This is not to say the Lord directs one prophet over another or love's one prophet more then the other. This is also not to say prophets never disagree with one another or they don't have differences in opinions and should be mistaken for truth. but I will say the Lord does what he has always done and that is direct his church for the blessing and benefit of his followers. He is and always will be its founder and the creator of truth.
I'm a member of the Church, so I wanted to clear up some misconceptions because it seems people dont understand some things about the Church. How do you think we use tithe money? If you answer with "paying church workers and leaders," you're wrong. The Church has saved my family because my dad was in great debt being a single father raising 2 kids, and they provided us with free food *provided by tithe money* and even house rental money. When I was suffering severe depression, they provided me with free therapy sessions *provided by tithe money.* Tithe money is used for service, not for personal gain. The Church constantly teaches over and over again (this is not an exaggeration) the importance of serving others, including those who arent members of the Church. Not only do they provide for its members like myself, they provide for countless other people who are outside of the Church as well. Theres a reason why we are reported to be the wealthiest Church in the world, because we dont spend it on paying members to do their callings, unlike other churches. We've put billions of dollars into charity. You DO realize that we didnt initially call ourselves "mormon" right? People constantly persecuted and slandered our Church who called us mormons based on one of our religious texts. We got tired of it so eventually adopted it so that we wouldnt be weakened by people calling us that. This video is made and edited to be completely out of context and deceiving. Yet, people like to call us masters of trickery and deceit lol, the hypocrisy is real. Before, we were told that we should be proud to be mormons, which was explained in many cuts of this video, right? Well after people came to know us to be mormons, now they arent able to use the name against us because we adopted it ourselves. Because of this, our prophet (the man in the beginning of the video) most recently stated that we should start addressing ourselves as members of the Church of *Jesus Christ* of Latter-day Saints, so that we do not exclude Jesus' name, because we want to enforce the usage of His name in association to our Church. There are no contradictions, this video is highly edited out of context. The prophet's speech came much later after the clips of other men speaking about calling ourselves mormon.
Actually we do pay the general authorities. It's on the church website. I used to swear to everyone that there was no paid ministry in the church. I was misinformed. The salary went from $114,000 to $120,000 about 8 years ago. That's the base salary for a GA. The 12 and the first presidency probably make more than the base. I didnt like to learn that as it was a real disappointment to me. But you should at least know the truth about it. And the recent promoting of the vaccine along with the large financial support given to the vaccine efforts make me question the possibility of the leadership being lost to secret combinations.
A lot of Mormons come to my church when they’re sick of being shamed and abused, so here is what Mormons consistently tell me: The general term “Christian” doesn’t make it crystal clear enough that Mormons are better than everyone else. And they wonder why they get resistance? Let me clarify: being rich, being old, being White, being male, those are all fine and decent attributes to possess. It’s the secrets that make them sick. And I don’t hold the members responsible even 1% as much as I blame the leaders. So Mormons, I’m sorry to disappoint you but Nobody is anti-Mormon. It’s not about you. That’s just normal, healthy people responding to an organization whose survival is dependent upon actively trying to erode our personal faith journey and inject fear into our connection to Jesus so the LDS corporation can sell us the new and improved scheme. Just live your life if you’re so happy with your church. Nobody wants to argue with that. Nobody is hunting you down and trying to change you. We just don’t respond well to smugness. Let Jesus be superior, that speaks louder than trying to corner me into answering biased, loaded questions you’ve been pressured into memorizing and pushing onto strangers who weren’t asking for your patronizing and belittling opinion. Also, even Jesus spent zero time trying to argue his superiority. Stop trying to worry everyone and make the rest of us feel inferior about our relationship with Jesus. The LDS leadership has decided that they own God’s will, and the only valid plan to live on Earth, and everywhere else in the universe, spiritually and in every other way. They literally believe God’s will and plan to be their proprietary information and they need a linguist division to clarify that they’re better than everyone else that Jesus loves. We can all breathe a sigh of relief: God and Jesus are still completely capable of speaking to anyone, anywhere. I wouldn’t expect the Kleenex brand to change its name to “tissue” or Lexus to change its name to “sedan”. I’m not comparing Mormonism (I capitalized it, your welcome) to snot rags or luxury cars; I’m just answering the question: Why don’t Mormons just call themselves “Christian”? Because it’s not good enough for them. They don’t consider anyone else to be brothers and sisters in our sovereign God. “Worthy” is a buzz word in Mormonism, and it’s not Jesus who assesses worthiness in the Mormon church. Uh oh. It’s a guy who was a dentist yesterday, or a career lawyer and politician who possesses no understanding of separation between church and government. When your church says you’re better than everyone else, there’s no respect for boundaries or anyone’s autonomy, and no need to explain yourself or be transparent or even tell the truth, if you’ve already been assured that God blesses everything you do (see “Second Annointing”). Maybe a better question would be “Why would they claim Jesus at all?” Apparently Jesus wasn’t sufficient for Oaks, Nelson, Hinkley, Smith, and other mere humans who feel entitled to demand obedience to the latest ultimate eternal truth that God just thought of yesterday. Don’t even think about doubting what the latest self-declared “prophet” is pushing today. Actually, yeah, don’t bother doubting it because as soon as it gets enough unpopular opinions, he’ll change it anyway. Stop asking questions and just keep paying the rich old White guy to call you unworthy! Claiming Christ isn’t good enough for them. It doesn’t ascribe them all the glory and authority and sparkly specialness they need to combat the shame and threats directed at their children about the afterlife that the leaders dish out. There’s a lot of double-talk from members, through bright white, Chanel lipstick smiles, about how other churches are doing good too, but ultimately they’re taught that they’re better than the rest of us. And they wonder why people with faith and self-esteem don’t like that. The leaders have it backwards: the leaders shame and scare the membership into sacrificing more and more; keeping more and more of the church’s filthy secrets, covering up more and more abuse, blaming themselves for not being 100% happy, getting it all done and looking like Barbie and Ken (the White versions) doing it, and converting everyone they meet. The leaders have convinced the members that they need to believe the latest rich old White guy more than anything. Anything. And if the members go along with it all, defend leaders and ideologies that personally violate them, betray themselves and their better common sense enough, then ‘maybe’ the church will make things okay between them and God and ‘maybe’ their families won’t be held eternal hostages. What part of “grace”, what part of “love”, is so complicated and secretive? Jesus is for everyone, regardless of their gender, race, or ability to pay. The members I know are beautiful people and I wish they could see how desperately the leadership needs them to keep propping up the crumbling institution. Not the other way around. Classic abusive relationship. Even down to the smear campaign when someone claims their rights and freedom. “Lazy” “Deceived by satan”? If you’re not free to say no, you’re not freely saying yes, and no one should have the “covenant” they were coerced into acting out at age 8, or 20, held over their head in a shame cloud. So we should keep speaking what we see, because apparently they’re very sensitive to what’s fashionable and they will continually bend to the greater good. They’ll call it “revelation”, but they’ll come around when they smell that they’re risking mainstream popularity too much.
First lds leader I've actively disliked. Most seem genuinely nice and talk about doing nice things. This guy just seems to be sorting out petty arguments he lost 50 years ago... Now the people who told him he was wrong are all dead and out the way...
This is a very bad edited video. I actually agree that they may disagree at times, but this video I would say is doctored and was taking some of the things they said out of context. Most quotes I noticed were not what apostles and prophets were calling people in the church but what people outside the church were calling them.
Wow…. Lol 😂 All love to you “Joe Smith” but if you actually believe that this exposes the contradiction found in the church you need both a dictionary and a better day job. At least make a video about polygamy or race and the priesthood… make an effort man. Clipping a video about the use of the word Mormon as a Gotcha moment is… elementary. I’ll circle back around when you got actual content for a channel dedicated to a Faith that you can’t leave alone lol
These fools as Paul would say don't even know there own religion following in after the Muslim prophet Muhammad, if this is what they want to believe theb God will let them lust in it and don't worry when Jesus come they will acknowledge that Christ is Lord
We already do acknowledge that Christ is Lord. We don't acknowledge that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are the 3 Gods in 1 that you believe in. For us... they are separate and not of the same essence.
Then your God's plan is a lousy one. Because there's 8 billion people on the planet and only 16m LDS members. That's 0.02% of the population. He only prepared a way for 0.02% of the population to know the "truth" and have it in their lives? That's some awful uncaring god you've got. Why have most people on the planet not even have access to this truth? Why have an entire nation of North Korea suffering and not allowed to even hear this truth? Only people who happen to be born in areas where lds churches are preaching are loved by your god?
This video proves that each person is unique and precious to the sight of Jehova, our Heavenly Father and of His Beloved Son Yoshua, Jesus Christ, our awesome Saviour and Redeemer. Even the Prophets are UNIQUE, imperfect and precious to our ONLY ONE Lord and God in Heaven. HE, our gracious, merciful, and POWERFUL Father in Heaven ONLY sees the humble, meek, and KIND HEARTS of His children on Earth. HE will forgive and save us, as we repent continuosly of our sins.
"repent continuosly of our sins." ????..... ahhhh, I do believe that repentance only needs to be done once. I mean if you are truly repentant then there's no need to repent again. After all, repentance means to change your mind towards something. If you say you've repented, then commit the same sin, then you were not truly repentant the first time. You also failed to mention that He will forgive us IF we forgive OTHERS!!!! You cannot be unforgiving and expect to be saved.
This is the excuse church members have been giving for years..you can't hide behind this when your church claims that the prophets words are the direct words of God!!! Brigham young had 50 wives and married underage 14 year olds and vocally supported slavery, while claiming it was all supported by an "unconditionally loving" God
The early followers of Christ & the apostles were know as followers of the way. It was @ Antioch that they were first called Christian's, in a very derogatory way I might add. Because mormons no nothing of the history of the Christian church, let alone their own history, let me give you a spoiler alert. They embraced it !!!!!Since the MORMON CHURCH actually follows Joe Smith, and venerate/ worship him, to the tune of statues, paintings, and a multimillion "memorial building" on a priceless piece of real estate downtown. And 80-90% of the subject in general conference, and ward meetings is devoted to him. (Mormons only mention Christ when politically correct, or in need of validity) I suggest you change the name to The church of Joseph Smith of latter day blasphemer's. Fit's perfectly
There's no contradictions here when interpreted correctly and when the time and circumstances are put in place. Do you notice that you've only shared speeches from the recent generations? Before they were born, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were already nick-named and hated so much that the earlier generations began responding and it became a habit for them, then it was passed on to the next generation. I've never referred to myself as a "mormon", my family have, each time they have I have always corrected them and said "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". Having the Saviour's name on the signs of the church shouts out loudly and clearly to the public the name, Jesus Christ. When I walk past other churches I have no idea what religion they are, I see no signs of Christianity, when the counselors in the Roman Empire changed the name of the church Christ established in Jerusalem, Christ got less recognisable. 3 Nephi 27:7-8 7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake. 8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel. Doctrine & Covenants 115:3-4 3 And also unto my faithful servants who are of the high council of my church in Zion, for thus it shall be called, and unto all the elders and people of my Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, scattered abroad in all the world; 4 For thus shall my church be called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. About these scriptures, 3 Nephi was translated before Joseph Smith received the Revelations in D&Cs 115, that's why in 1830 the church did not yet have a certain name.
Well you shouldent boast to much because once you die your going to relise you have wasted ypur life time and money that is because that is the only time your going to face the fact that the lds church is not true. And then it will be to late.
Joel Rodriguez: Joel Rodriguez: I'm talking about the ministry of the Holy Ghost as the Comforter. John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." On what basis is your claim, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a false church? I'm using the Bible to explain my beliefs. Do you have any reference to support what you say?
David Burns okay let me say this okay Joseph Smith is a false profit the Mormon bible is not the real bible there too many contradictions n top of that the book of Mormon is has contradicted too so for me to be honest I don’t believe the Books of Mormon is true I don’t believe the lds church is the truth church bc if the lds church is truth church everyone else wrong see that why the Mormon can’t claim they are the truth church bc they are not bc what all of u are saying ur right n everyone else wrong really well that the case I rather be in the wrong of religion then believe the bs false claims of the lds church n there lies.
Look does matter the Mormon religion is a fraud u don’t want to accepted then that on u not on me I have realized that I don’t need religion to be happy or achieve my goals. That one point that I am making is funny how Mormon love to contradict everybody else they don’t agree with the Mormon lies n bs sorry but the lds church is a fraud n a corporation that collects money.
@@joelrodriguez2152: "..the Mormon bible is not the real bible." No, the King James Version of the Bible is the Bible of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is no "Mormon Church" and never was one. It is obvious that you do not know enough about the Church to comment on it unless you can be more specific.
David Burns I don’t want to know about the church I don’t do religion I think religion is pure garbage I rather to focus on my goals n dreams the waste my Sunday going to church I rather be free from the religion bs. That the truth
😂First off, they are all individuals, and they do have disagreements. They themselves have said happen “All the time” but on doctrine, they all 99% of the time agree. Like, regardless of all of these purposely, and oddly clipped videos ranging from 30 years back to now, it’s like who seriously cares? They call it the living gospel for a reason. They might as well be talking about which NFL team is best🤷♂️
Exactly lmfao. All I see here is people calling themselves the wrong term, and this guy calls himself the right term. But the meaning and intention behind the term were the same. It’s like if you called yourself stupid only to learn the correct word to the feeling you felt was smart, what’s important it intention, not exact wording.
Moses wandered in the Wilderness for 40 years. Why didn't Joshua do the same? Israelites were prepared for the change and the new prophet was inspired to make it.
Nice try but these prophets and apostilles are in no way contradicting each other in this video, but you can't forget the fact that in The Book of Mormon there was a dispute between the people on what is the proper name to call the church and Jesus replied that you should take on the name of Christ because it is his church and this is why the proper name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints. People call us Mormons because we read The Book of Mormon and many members have gotten used to referring to us as Mormons but we all know that the proper name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints because in The Book of Mormon it mentions that we are supposed to take upon the name of Christ because it is his church.
CEO of a 100 billion dollar business worried about branding
No. If he was worried about branding he'd own the term mormon like Hinckley knew was the best way. Nelson just wants to settle an argument he lost to Hinckley 50 yrs ago. Sad.
Now being out of the church I never realized how creepy these men are. It’s disturbing how creepy this is.
@brant munden Yes, that is deep disturbing how much we, as former members, and current members hero worship the president and his councilors of the Mormon religion. It is all part of the mental, emotional, psychological etc. abuse that they use. It is part of the BITE model that cults use. What helps me is this phrase, "I now know better and will be better."
@@Hanleia1 me'sa confused
@@Elias.Barney I hope the following links will help you to not be confused. In searching through the Mormon church's own writings the doctrine, policies, revelations, what past prophets have said...it all is full of contradictions.
Contradictions are:
-the statement of a position opposite to one already made.
-a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
-a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
The BITE Model and Mormon Control - www.rationalrevelation.com/library/bite.html -
Contradictions in LDS Scriptures - www.utlm.org/onlineresources/contradictionsinldsscriptures.htm -
"...I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information..."
--Steven E. Snow - Start With Faith: A Conversation with
Elder Steven E.Snow, Religious Educator 14, no.3
"“I have a hard time with historians because they idolize the truth. The truth is not uplifting; it destroys…Historians should tell only that part of the truth that is inspiring and uplifting.”
--Boyd K. Packer - D. Michael Quinn, Pillars of My Faith,
Symposium, Salt Lake City, August 19, 1994
The leaders of the Mormon church purposefully withheld information from the members. They lied and whitewashed information so that it was inspiring and uplifting versus being factual and truthful.
The Gospel Topic Essays, uploaded October 2013, were not announced as The Proclamation to the Family was. I first of them in early 2018. Members going to a faith crisis currently are just now learning of their existence. Much of the information that the leaders of the church have just recently begun to incorporate into their doctrine, was vastly different than what the leaders for decades prior taught.
The Leaders of the Mormon church continue to lie, whitewash information, gaslight members, etc.
Looking closer at the Temple ceremony, it is clear what god they worship.
These guys are used to being obeyed.
And yet Monson and Hinckley had no problem with the nickname.
Yep. When I was a member, we were taught to love and embrace the term. Mormon was a great prophet, it was an honor.
It only became a slur when Nelson unilaterally decided, on behalf of the entire membership that it should be taken as a slur. Until then, no one batted an eye nor cared. Another case of the church choosing to be offended by non offensive things.
The church has/had The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, most famous choir in the world. Created a Meet The Mormons Campaign AND Movie with the same title. So PLEASE just pause for a moment and imagine what that means if the previous guidance of the church allowed these things to happen while (According to Nelson" God was offended or was creating a victory for Satan. How can that be possible? It simply cannot be. This issue alone should be cause for concern for members and their faith.
This is probably the saddest attempt to ridicule the church. So many other avenues you could’ve taken.
Do you mean to tell me that something that works for a time can never become useless or sour and perhaps begin to cause harm ?
That’s the argument that president Nelson is making, bc times change and people do too. How can you not take a moment to see how silly your argument is ?
@@johnescobar6 not silly at all. Your current leader claims that calling yourselves that at one time was a “victory for satan.” His words, not mine. That is VERY different than changing your mind about something.
The organ is from hell
@@johnescobar6 the mental gymnastics you go through is both hilarious and sad to see. You really need to think deeply about this. Joseph referred to church during his time as the church of Latter Day Saints. That didn’t offend God in the slightest according to the continuing revelation he received. Then every prophet from that day referred to themselves as Mormon. But now, after 200 years, God says “how dare you for using this name, my son deserves his name to be recognized!” Why would a God who is logical, wait so long for the freaking title to a religion? That is so so silly to think about. It’s like the Scientology god all of the sudden telling them that they got their name wrong and should be called something else. Nah man, I say be a little gray thinking. You don’t have to believe everything a prophet said is from God. This in my opinion, is the “man” speaking in Nelson. And no way to prove it other than the spirit. In which I have felt confirm such.
@@johnescobar6 except that those campaigns cost the church millions of dollars. It’s not a joke, this is not a church but s business, it should be clear that it is a corporation.
"Truly the people called Mormons know how to give to the poor and needy." Dallin Oaks said that. He could be the next leader of the church. what he said isn't true. that church takes in billions a year and only spends a tiny fraction of that money on charity.
Indeed. It spent in the mall what it gave to charity in the last 20 years.
A corporation that preaches honesty but does not make fiscal declarations. A corporation that creates shell companies to carry out side businesses.
Yep!
Con
Wow with Billions of Dollars why is there people sleeping on the street of salt lake..What Would Jesus do with Billions of dollars??? Such a mockery of Christ..
The Mormon are egotistical maniacs who don’t give a shit about no one they think there perfect n they try to Persue perfection n no one is perfect the only person is perfect is god.
And then what do you do if you spent the Billion of dollars to feed the poor and the money runs out? Jesus even said... "The poor you will ALWAYS have with you."
MrNirom see Mormon have all this money but yet they don’t help people they only help there church members they only care about there selfs is a shame the Mormons don’t help no one really it shows the lies of the Mormon religion yet again they don’t pay taxes.
Wow.. there is not a church in this country that pays taxes! Our church is almost the first one that responds in disasters all over the world. Even on a local level it is our church that helps out people all the time.
You just have no idea what you're talking about.
@Jim Caponzi LOL... The only fixation I have with the Catholic Church is that I left 40 years ago and joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
NOT once in 40 years have I gone onto a Catholic webpage, or site, or anything having to do with Catholics.
We have 15 Million members... and the Catholic Church as 1.2 Billion members so you HAD BETTER SPEND MORE MONEY THAN WE DO!!!!
The official name of the church:
"MORe MONey"
Truth in advertising.
Blame it to different PR teams.
Next time hire only one PR team.
PR teams and contradicting focus groups.
They call it revelation. Sounds better.
THE OLD: "Dare to be a Mormon, dare to stand alone . . . Dare to have a purpose firm, dare to make it known" THE NEW: "Don't you DARE say you're a 'Mormon,' don't you dare to use that name! . . . 'Cause Rusty doesn't like the term, and Rusty runs the game"
But you can't blame it all on Nelson. God is obviously talking to him, so he's just doing what he's told. Obviously, God can't make up his mind.. lol
Nelson’s Alzheimer’s is getting worse.
Lmao I'm dead
OK so I guess another perspective on this is I am a Christian and I consider myself a Biblical Christian. LDS read the book of mormon so It is interesting that some of them consider that an insult or derogatory term.. That is literally the name of the book that they believe in.
It's the context that it was used in the early days of the church. It was said as an insult. It's also not the name of the church. It's like a teacher consistently mispronouncing a student's name because they are too lazy to learn how to pronounce it. The student will often look past it because they get sick of correcting the teacher, but it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.
@@PhoenixSunsNZ I know courage isn't your or any Mormons thing , but you should try WATCHING the video you are commenting on, it shows how full of beans you are.
@@PhoenixSunsNZ Really? I have several sermons I found on your church website that say otherwise. Why do you people insist on telling stories like this? Wouldn't it be so much better to be truthfiul? I guess the takeaway is you have to do this to defend your church, and because you must do so, it shows the church should be torn down.
@JEM Seven It's just how they roll, it's disrepectful to be so dishonest with people, but they won't bat an eye to do so. Some of them actually love it.
No, we believe in Jesus Christ. It's the Bible and the book of Mormon which we read that gives us our faith in him.
Rusty Nelson clearly doesn't agree with the precedents and pronouncements of many of his colleagues through the years. To me, this is just more flip-flop . . . like with race, sexuality, polygamy, the U. N., ordinances for children of "gay" people, etc., etc., etc., etc.
"The Lord has impressed upon my mind the importance of this issue"
Translation: "Gordon Hinckley hurt my feelings 25 years ago and now I'm finally getting back at him"
When are they going to change the name of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir?
Stormin Norman, the latter Day Mormon. Used to ride a bicycle, now I'm driving a Corolla. They say I am deprived cause I don't drink Coca Cola. But I don't want that devil drink, I'd rather get Ebola.
So are they going to change the name of the book from The Book of Mormon to The Book of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
Nope. Would you like to learn why? :)
@@tylersavoie7750 You don't even know.
"God impressed upon his mind" about this? Prove it.
Doesnt need to when millions blindly sustain him as a prophet...
Because we study the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants as well as the Bible these commandments would of impressed upon his mind;
3 Nephi 27:7-8
7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
D&Cs 115:3-4
3 And also unto my faithful servants who are of the high council of my church in Zion, for thus it shall be called, and unto all the elders and people of my Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, scattered abroad in all the world;
4 For thus shall my church be called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Correct, just saying it does not make it so.
@@gordonmcelvany8990 To those who believe... it does. But that is the way it is with all faiths. Just becasue you say it... does not make it so either!
Check out all of the many definitions, of Intuition. To include Still Small Voice....
Well Gordon B Hinckley said Mormons should embrace the word Mormons. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, The Book of Mormon, the prophet Mormon, etc..
What is this new name that we shall give them?? Cult of Kolob? CK?
@NaDopros That is a secret. Only members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints know and understand what Kolob really is. Even when others try to use it... they always use it wrong.
@Jim Caponzi Quit thinking Jim... it doesn't work well for you. You are always wrong.
Liberal logic: now there's an oxymoron.
Cult of Kolob = COK!!
😂
I didn’t see anything contradicting here. There’s just guys calling themselves the improper name, and then the prophet telling themselves not to call themselves that. The apostles and prophets don’t claim to be perfect. Not even Jesus’ own disciples were perfect.
A rose by any other name, would still have thorns!
The true church did not worship a god from another planet, the true church did not mock Jesus Christ and say He was the brother of Lucifer (This is blasphemy.), there was no mandatory tithing, no temple recommend, no temple (they met in homes), no worthiness interviews, no secret handshakes, no veil was put back up that God destroyed, no baptizing for the dead (I Cor. 15 is talking about pagans who baptized for the dead. (Otherwise what will THEY do who are being baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are THEY baptized for them?), the true church never said you are damned if you deny polygamy, they did not believe you could become a god someday, they did not have priests (Hebrews 7 Jesus is our High Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek), the true church never said you have to believe Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God, etc..
Faye Lewis. You have given your own opinion that in the true Church there was no baptizing for the dead. You have no basis for your affirmation that it was pagans who did so. Scripture does not say that. Some interpretations which have been made in the Church are that it was water baptism by Christians on behalf of the dead, or that the "baptism" was a baptism of suffering and of tears on behalf of the dead. Either way, St Paul did not condemn the practice, and it seems evident from the context that it was a practice of some Christians-no suggestion of paganism. Heresies and cults often take a poorly understood or neglected aspect of Biblical teaching and put their own spin on it. The Christian does have to address the question of whether God will provide baptism for believing dead who had not received it in this life.
Baptizing for the dead is pagan. The New Apostolic Church and the Old Apostolic Church also practice baptism for the dead, as well as Communion and Sealing to the Departed. In this practice a proxy or substitute is baptised in the place of an unknown number of deceased persons. Outside of Christianity, proxy baptisms were practiced by the Mandaeans of Iraq and Iran
The Bible says, "It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment."
When Jesus told the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man was already in torment.
Luke 16:26 Besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that those who want to pass over from here to you cannot; neither can those from there cross over to us.’
Heresies and cults often take a poorly understood or neglected aspect of Biblical teaching and put their own spin on it.
That is definitely true.
The practice of baptizing for the dead has as its basis in the misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:29: “Otherwise, what will THEY do, those being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not at all raised, why indeed are THEY baptized on behalf of the dead?”
We do know by comparing it with the rest of Scripture that it does not mean that a dead person can be saved by someone else being baptized on his or her behalf, because baptism is not a requirement for salvation in the first place (Ephesians 2:8; Romans 3:28; 4:3; 6:3-4). The entire passage (vv. 12-29) is about the surety of the resurrection, not about baptism for the dead.
What was being baptized for the dead? The plain meaning of the Greek in verse 29 is that some people are being baptized on behalf of those who have died-and if there is no resurrection, why are they doing this? Paul is referring to a pagan custom (notice he uses they, not "we"). Paul merely says that if there is no resurrection, why would the custom take place?
The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead is neither scriptural nor sensible. Baptism for the dead is a practice that was common in the pagan religions of Greece and is still practiced today by some cults; but it doesn't change a person's eternal destiny, for that is determined while he lives (Luke 16:26).
The Christian does not have to address the question of whether God will provide baptism for believing dead who had not received it in this life.
The Bible tells us all we need to know for now. Will the thief on the cross, who is already in Paradise, ever be baptized? The Bible doesn't say. Many people become Christians and never have the opportunity to be baptized.
Nowhere in the Bible is anyone told to baptize for the dead. Baptism doesn't save you from hell.
Only the blood of Jesus Christ can save you.
Faye. So you think that St Paul took a "pagan", non-Christian practice to support his teaching of the Christian resurrection hope? That does not seem like St Paul, and does not seem to fit the context. "They" can refer to some Christians. After all, whose distinctive emphasis was on the resurrection, other than Christians? You seem to impose a dubious interpretation on the Bible, bringing in supposed facts from outside sources, but there is no suggestion in St Paul's words that he was disapproving of the practice or considered it alien to Christianity.
There are literally dozens of verses in the New Testament that attribute salvation to faith/belief with no other requirement mentioned in the context. If baptism, or anything else, is necessary for salvation, all of these verses are wrong, and the Bible contains errors and is therefore no longer worthy of our trust.
An exhaustive study of the New Testament on various requirements for salvation is not necessary. Receiving salvation is not a process or a multi-step formula. Salvation is a finished product, not a recipe. What must we do to be saved? Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and we will be saved.
The whole passage is talking about whether the resurrection is true. Nowhere is it stated that Christians were baptizing for the dead. Paul was clearly talking about other people.
Otherwise what will THEY do who are being baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are THEY baptized for them?
The real issue is that Joseph Smith said Christianity was of the devil, Christians were deceived by Satan, the anti Christ and then he invents his own god who was once a man somehow and magically became God and tries to use the Bible of all things, to justify all his wild, blasphemous beliefs.
I understand the Bible better than Joseph Smith and every other prophet and apostle, so why would I want to become LDS? I will never bow down and worship a god that was once a man because that is idolatry.
Romans 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served what has been created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen.
It doesn’t contradict, it adds! 🤣 just kidding, shit be full of holes like Swiss cheese!
The mormon prophets no longer receive revelations , they just receive "Impressions" on their mind 😂
"A Mormon boy, a Mormon boy! I am a Mormon boy!" In your DREAMS are you a Mormon BOY! Dude! LOOK IN THE MIRROR, for God's sake!
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
The true name of the church is "The Church of Joseph Smith of Latter-Day Liars"
These people seem hypnotized.
Having the B.I.T.E Model used one person does have that hypnotizing effect.
www.mormonfaithcrisis.com/assessing-the-mormon-church-using-steven-hassans-bite-model-for-cults/
I’m thinking the same way now that I’m looking myself back. Good thing I had lots of “distractions” (Mormons perspective) to keep myself away from this culty conference lol.
These clips are taken out of context so I’m not entirely sure how accurate these clips are towards proving the title of the video
Out of context, indeed! LOL. I remember getting ready for my mission in 1990 when Rusty Nelson delivered his conference talk suggesting that people stop using the term “Mormon” and then being on my mission six months later when GB Hinckley politely refuted Rusty’s talk.
Fast forward a few years later when Rusty is installed as PotC. One of his first pronouncements was to make everyone pretentiously used the full and entire male of the church. Divine revelation? I think not!
@@MattTheBandGuy bruh what that’s so dumb
@@vexz0r789 I agree, Rusty Nelson's strange obsession with using the full long ass name is pretty dumb
The church has/had The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, most famous choir in the world. Created a Meet The Mormons Campaign AND Movie with the same title. So PLEASE just pause for a moment and imagine what that means if the previous guidance of the church allowed these things to happen while (According to Nelson" Gad was offended or was creating a victory for Satan. How can that be possible? it simply cannot be. This issue aloe should be cause for concern for members and their faith.
This is great. Thanks.
Wow! Joe you are a genius. ...how do you so masterfully created this video? A part from being informative, it is entertaining and very funny. ..jeeee
He does a great job! A lot of effort goes into researching this stuff.
Hats off to him.
:)
It's just not only these dudes contradicting each other. All of LDS doctrine contradicts itself! HA HA HA HA
People do not wonder why “emphasizing something so inconsequential” is necessary maybe Mormon members do. I think other people simply don’t care period. And as if addressing this issue makes it all important to everybody in the world. Talk about self importance or the teenage complex. Reminds me of how teenagers act a certain way because they think all eyes are on them while in public but yet do things to draw that attention in the first place and which confirms to them that they are at front and center stage. My goodness and Oh brother!
Me Too,
In both The Book of Mormon (3 Nephi 27) Christ commanded that everything is to be done in his name, like prayer to the Father in his name we should call the church in his name.
Then in Doctrine & Covenants 115 received in 1838 Christ commanded Joseph and his other servants to call it The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
That's why before 1838 it had a couple of other names like "The Church of God".
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Church gone woke. Demanding to be referred to as "LDS" is equivalent to demanding the use of certain pronouns.
Cracks me up how all these very creepy old men all look like bond villains. Its telling how they all exhibit disdain while talking to members, and they practically worship these creeps.
You have a different Jesus than real christians
As I have said before, at least 3 prophets of this religious organization have made confusing or conflicting statements. I'm so sorry to one of my favorite cousins, who is of this religion, but this is a proven false belief system! To believe otherwise, is to practice self deception!!!
shirley goss: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was so named on April 26, 1838. President Nelson is counseling members of the Church to call it by its proper name and not "Mormon." It was never called the "Mormon Church."
@@dleoburns
When it was named is not at issue. The fact the various Prophets of the Church in the last 40 years have said the nick name Mormon is okay, or not okay, is the issue. Either they agree as one, or it is not truly of God! If it were of God, no one, to say nothing of leadership would have successfully nicknamed it after it's book.
The nickname is only one problem, of many, which should reveal to the members, the underlying false teachings of that organization!
I apologize to those who sincerely believe the Church, but I see no other way to understand what is happening!
@@shirleygoss1988: The Church didn't nickname it. Outsiders did. "Dallin H. Oaks explains: "Revelations from God . . . are not constant. We believe in continuing revelation, not continuous revelation. We are often left to work out problems without the dictation or specific direction of the Spirit."[14] Thus the current prophet can clarify, correct or change any previous teachings.[15]
However, once a doctrine has been accepted by the church by "common consent", it becomes part of the Standard Works, and then takes precedence over any other revelation.[16] Members of the LDS church only consider themselves bound by doctrine found in the Standard Works.[17]" [Wikipedia/Revelation (Latter Day Saints)/Inspired vs. infallible] The Standard Works of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints include the King James Version of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine & Covenants of the Church, and the Pearl of Great Price. Our total doctrine is published in these four books.
@@dleoburns I did not say the Church gave it the nickname! However since different Presidents of the church did not forbid it, and possibly encouraged it , in the mind of many that would seem a validation?
The idea of change or 'clarification' means ultimately that there is no consistentent teaching authority in your organization. That should absolutely shred it's credibility in the minds of it's faithful. Unless it's possible that Moroni 10:3-5 is so subjective, that in that regard, otherwise sensible people are rendered spiritually blind?
@@shirleygoss1988: Prophets are human beings. Human beings sin and are not perfect. Prophets are not perfect. Was Noah perfect? How about Moses? Why was Moses not allowed to enter the Promised Land?
"The idea of change or 'clarification' means ultimately that there is no consistent teaching authority in your organization." That is why we are told to go to the scriptures as the source for preparing lessons and talks. There is nothing subjective about the ministry of the Holy Ghost.
Nice editing.
This is very much picking at flies actually. You are taking things out of context. Mormons believe in modern revelation and they are allowed to update their own internal communication policies. You are taking things out of context, switching timelines, pulling things from one era and overlapping them on another era, etc. If you think that this is a major contradiction of some kind, you should look harder. Some of these speeches are from like 20 years ago and Russel M Nelson was updating the Church policy to direct it towards Christ. It is somewhat of a pathetic attempt at making something look bad which is really isn't, as they are doing their best to bring things into better alignment.
Rusty just crapped his predecessors and apostles
That’s a lot of victory for satan in MORMON General Conference!
It is a statement in favor of the consistency of the Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints, that when looking for contradictions to demonstrate against it, the best they can find is that a church that believes in ongoing revelation, which once accepted a nickname the world gave it, stopped accepting that nickname when instructed by revelation to do so. Where is the contradiction there? Not to mention that half the Mormon quotes are apostles quoting others calling church members Mormons, as opposed to using the word themselves.
Now I know why this church leader back bitting each other..just like the local leaders in the Philippines 🤪
I'm curious to know if the next prophet will promote the nickname "Mormon" again.. it seems to change every decade. However, Mr Burns(Nelson) really doubled down this last time, saying it's a major victory for Satan. lol it's strange because I remember the church used to promote the nickname Mormon. I remember seeing billboards and commercials with the slogan, "I am a Mormon." For claiming to speak with God, you think the prophets would be on the same page concerning this small detail
The god of Mormonism is a notorious flip - flopper. He ushered in the flip flop doctrine of at first not letting children of gay parents be baptized until they got old enough and denounced their gay parents first. To fast forward 3 years for the god of Mormonism to change his mind and let kids of gay parents be baptised. Russ did change church times to 2 instead of 3 hours of it on a Sunday. Oh, and he let missionary sisters wear pants. All sooooo important!.
Never mind warning us all about an impending global virus.
Or anything that actually has anything to do with humankind in spite of the Mormons spouting that their prophet is the mouthpiece for God on Earth.
It's all about Pay... pray... and obey. And be subservient to a religion which has an estimated $240 BILLION asset base.
The Church of Mormon Christ of Latter Day Nephites.
In so much that many will Choose to mock the Mormon nothing will prevail
The majority of the world does not want to believe there are hundreds if not thousands of polygamous gods in the Milky Way Galaxy.
What makes you think that there are polygamous Gods in the Milky Way? Expand your mind out of the galaxy. Lets say something like...... There are polygamous Gods that each created their own Galaxy.
MrNirom: My goodness, that would make trillions of polygamous gods. That certainly is an expansion. Well done.
@@danblackwelder5995 Why underestimate the power, love and gifts of God? There are galaxies beyond what the Hubble telescope could see... in all directions!!!
MrNirom: No duh. That is common knowledge. That means trillions of polygamous gods. And where is the center of the universe?
@@danblackwelder5995 Trillions? Is that all? I believe you were wrong in the thinking that there were so many in the Milky Way. Just one per galaxy. You are asking me? They have not even built a telescope that can see that far. When they do... let me know.
Here it goes... mormon, Mormon, MORMON, MOOORMOOON!!!!!!!! And now... mormon church, Mormon Church, MORMON CHURCH, MOOOORMOOON CHUUUURCHHHHHH! There, I said it.
How dare you Ricky haha.
Oh wow... how adult of you!
>>>Here it goes... mormon, Mormon, MORMON, MOOORMOOON!!!!!!!!
Now you've done it!
You,'re going straight to hell. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200 🤢
@Jim Caponzi LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
@Jim Caponzi When you stand in front of God on Judgment Day... all he has to see is your comments on RUclips... and you will be in Hell. Good Luck with that!
It took 8 years to come up with the current name, look it up
This is cracking me up. RMN talks about how back in the early days of the church, Mormon used to be a derogatory term. President Hinckley, and Monson actually did some good when they gave Mormons a better name. That kind of fixed the problems that the past used to have in the church. It's funny, that today they always talk about how the past doesn't matter, and sometimes they even do things to try to fix things that were a problem in the past. (Mostly ny gaslighting lol but still.) But here he is, drumming up things the truly don't matter anymore. The talk of the day is that the past problems of the church don't matter. Yet here he is digging it all up and choosing to CHANGE THIS THING! The thing that isn't even a big deal, and it actually got fixed by previous prophets! If he's going to fix something, he should try addressing something that's actually problematic. But I guess none of that can be fixed LOL, so changing the name of the church is kind of like a decoy to make people feel better, or at least himself. I know this has been a bee in his bonnet for decades, and I know he used to butt heads with the men that changed it, so now he's going nuts on it because he has the power to do so. SMH 🙄
I really thought there would be a little more to this video. This was pretty weak criticism.
Good job at taking statements out of context not only context but time line. Keep choking on gnats
Y’all childish. I get that members of the Mormon church can be annoying and offensive but isn’t everyone else like this 🫡💯💯💯
😂😂 Mormons 😂😂
Earth shattering! So damning! If you could show this to all members of the church everyone would leave in an instant!
I bet not one single member of the church realizes that other presidents of the church have used the word "mormon"!
Think again Alex,
Fortunately we're aware this is a manipulative and deceitful video because we heard the entire talks at the general conference sessions, so we know what was said before and after what's shown here and they did not mean what this video makes it seem like.
We know we are surrounded by apostates and bigots who would do anything to drag us off the narrow path to the gates of heaven, surrounded by people intending to entice us and lure us into paths of destruction.
Like Daniel Moore said, I'm afraid you're wrong. I've met a lot of former members of Christ's restored church, and they said they discovered "the truth", they found all the mistakes etc. But as I'm listen to them they were usually affected by the culture created by members of this same church, or teachings and doctrines weren't explained/understood properly. I respect the opinions of people and we should all do what we believe/feel it's right. It just makes me sad (not even mad or frustrated) when some miss out on opportunities because they didn't get the chance to be taught correctly, didn't understand certain things or simply put all their effort in finding mistakes instead of really trying to understand it.
If you don't trust these men, don't believe in the revelations given by Jesus Christ etc, that's great, as long as you're happy with it. If your hope is that everyone stops believing, I have to disappoint you.
@@kevinvanderweyden5598 I was being sarcastic. I shouldn't be sarcastic, especially in writing. I am a devout believer. Cheers!
@@alexblake5743 Ah, now you say that I totally get it, and I love the comment!!! 😁
@@alexblake5743 Lol, yeah not earth shattering at all. It is very strange though that Nelson even addressed this when it truly was a non issue. I'm pretty sure while he was an apostle instead of a prophet he hated the I'm a Mormon campaign, and now he finally gets to run the show how he wants to lol. I don't believe for a second that it was God that told him to give this talk, and for him to tell people that the "Mormon" nickname is somehow a victory for satan.
They're all just men, same as you and me. God doesn't speak to them
Why be ashamed of the name of the most perfect book ever?
thenowchurch,
we're not ashamed of anything about the name mormon, the church is ashamed it's allowed the world to make it break a commandment from Christ.
Christ commanded his people to do everything in his name, prayer to the Father in his name, that includes calling his Church in his name.
3 Nephi 27:7-8
7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
The book of mormon is fiction you should use your God giving brain witch God gave you to use. I could give you a list of why its fiction but it would go over your head. But the book of mormon was translated from reformed egytion a language that has never existed been spoken or written thats just one example of how the book of mormon is fiction.
Nelson gave a talk almost word for word the same year Hinckley gave his talk "Mormon means More Good" it was as if Hinckley was responding to Nelson's talk 6 months before. I'm glad I left. If they were half as true as they claim, they would not be throwing past leaders under the bus and hitting reverse.
No, no. It's not a coincidence. In Hinckleys talk he actually says he's speaking out against Nelson's talk 6 months before. Watch it. It's a total smack down. No wonder Nelson is so hyped up about sorting this old score now Hinckley is dead. Nelson even said in this recent speech that those who promote the name mormon are "doing the work of Satan". That's low. To call a previous prophet doing the work of Satan just because he disagreed with you? Now he's dead? Low.
Steps in the firmament. Aye Aye Sir.
Called out ones, assembly, congregation, and The Way were words used to describe the body of Christ. "Church" was used by King James to describe the "Catholic church that existed at the time of the writing of the KJV. Ask you neighborhood Greek what ekklesia means.
I feel sad, back in the late 1800-1900 Christianity was going through an enlightening and reformation, it's so sad to see brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus split between doctrines and thoughts, some who loved Christ Jesus more than I get expelled or split off due to doctrinal issues, yes doctrine is important, love of Jesus is important. It's sad when there is a greying/ muddying of waters..a person could swim for years and not find the pearl of high value, if the waters were clear the whole world would see the shinning pearl. I wish there was simply good/evil. Truth/lies. Satan does a remarkable job injecting 50 shades of grey into the spiritual world
Some, left THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, because they rebell, refusing to repent from, their personal sin's
He did admit that Apostles and prophets as a whole has used those terms, it's not a contradiction. He said "Latter Day Saints" is acceptable.
@Jim Caponzi Poor Jim... still using the filthy foul mouth his mother must have taught him to use.
Catholics don't have Apostles.... and they never had a Prophet!!!
MrNirom dude quit while u are it u don’t know Catholics as well I do my family is catholic n yes the catholic have apostles
Dont you mean Rattle day snakes modern day false prophets?
@@MrNirom1 the pope is a prophet because he claims to speak to God witch the bible says that is what a prophet is and does. You should really use your Brain as the old saying goes use it or loose it.
@@russelledwards7084 Wow.. No... The Pope is not the Prophet. I grew up Catholic. Nothing was ever mentioned that the Pope spoke with God... and here is what God had to say.
What a silly video of selective video editing where no context is given. True none of these men are perfect and would never claim to be." I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
line upon line precept upon precept. One does not read a book backwards. Truth is unfolded like the turning pages of a book. The lord gives further light and knowledge to his profits in every dispensation. This is not to say the Lord directs one prophet over another or love's one prophet more then the other. This is also not to say prophets never disagree with one another or they don't have differences in opinions and should be mistaken for truth. but I will say the Lord does what he has always done and that is direct his church for the blessing and benefit of his followers. He is and always will be its founder and the creator of truth.
Who's that bald headed dude?
Ken Olson which one? :)
I'm a member of the Church, so I wanted to clear up some misconceptions because it seems people dont understand some things about the Church.
How do you think we use tithe money? If you answer with "paying church workers and leaders," you're wrong. The Church has saved my family because my dad was in great debt being a single father raising 2 kids, and they provided us with free food *provided by tithe money* and even house rental money. When I was suffering severe depression, they provided me with free therapy sessions *provided by tithe money.* Tithe money is used for service, not for personal gain. The Church constantly teaches over and over again (this is not an exaggeration) the importance of serving others, including those who arent members of the Church. Not only do they provide for its members like myself, they provide for countless other people who are outside of the Church as well. Theres a reason why we are reported to be the wealthiest Church in the world, because we dont spend it on paying members to do their callings, unlike other churches. We've put billions of dollars into charity.
You DO realize that we didnt initially call ourselves "mormon" right? People constantly persecuted and slandered our Church who called us mormons based on one of our religious texts. We got tired of it so eventually adopted it so that we wouldnt be weakened by people calling us that. This video is made and edited to be completely out of context and deceiving. Yet, people like to call us masters of trickery and deceit lol, the hypocrisy is real. Before, we were told that we should be proud to be mormons, which was explained in many cuts of this video, right? Well after people came to know us to be mormons, now they arent able to use the name against us because we adopted it ourselves. Because of this, our prophet (the man in the beginning of the video) most recently stated that we should start addressing ourselves as members of the Church of *Jesus Christ* of Latter-day Saints, so that we do not exclude Jesus' name, because we want to enforce the usage of His name in association to our Church. There are no contradictions, this video is highly edited out of context. The prophet's speech came much later after the clips of other men speaking about calling ourselves mormon.
Do you think the church should pay 10% of the tithing they bring in on humanitarian aid?
Yeah.. So edited.. Insecure sects and other religions did it.. What a pity..
And build malls as well
Actually we do pay the general authorities. It's on the church website. I used to swear to everyone that there was no paid ministry in the church. I was misinformed. The salary went from $114,000 to $120,000 about 8 years ago. That's the base salary for a GA. The 12 and the first presidency probably make more than the base. I didnt like to learn that as it was a real disappointment to me. But you should at least know the truth about it. And the recent promoting of the vaccine along with the large financial support given to the vaccine efforts make me question the possibility of the leadership being lost to secret combinations.
@@nickbarth2442
I heard that's for their living.
Why are they we so against just being called Christian? uggh
Because they aren't Christian
@@tdubs5128 yes they are
@@aaronwebb7821 How so?
A lot of Mormons come to my church when they’re sick of being shamed and abused, so here is what Mormons consistently tell me: The general term “Christian” doesn’t make it crystal clear enough that Mormons are better than everyone else. And they wonder why they get resistance?
Let me clarify: being rich, being old, being White, being male, those are all fine and decent attributes to possess. It’s the secrets that make them sick. And I don’t hold the members responsible even 1% as much as I blame the leaders.
So Mormons, I’m sorry to disappoint you but Nobody is anti-Mormon. It’s not about you. That’s just normal, healthy people responding to an organization whose survival is dependent upon actively trying to erode our personal faith journey and inject fear into our connection to Jesus so the LDS corporation can sell us the new and improved scheme. Just live your life if you’re so happy with your church. Nobody wants to argue with that. Nobody is hunting you down and trying to change you. We just don’t respond well to smugness. Let Jesus be superior, that speaks louder than trying to corner me into answering biased, loaded questions you’ve been pressured into memorizing and pushing onto strangers who weren’t asking for your patronizing and belittling opinion. Also, even Jesus spent zero time trying to argue his superiority. Stop trying to worry everyone and make the rest of us feel inferior about our relationship with Jesus.
The LDS leadership has decided that they own God’s will, and the only valid plan to live on Earth, and everywhere else in the universe, spiritually and in every other way. They literally believe God’s will and plan to be their proprietary information and they need a linguist division to clarify that they’re better than everyone else that Jesus loves.
We can all breathe a sigh of relief: God and Jesus are still completely capable of speaking to anyone, anywhere.
I wouldn’t expect the Kleenex brand to change its name to “tissue” or Lexus to change its name to “sedan”. I’m not comparing Mormonism (I capitalized it, your welcome) to snot rags or luxury cars; I’m just answering the question: Why don’t Mormons just call themselves “Christian”?
Because it’s not good enough for them. They don’t consider anyone else to be brothers and sisters in our sovereign God. “Worthy” is a buzz word in Mormonism, and it’s not Jesus who assesses worthiness in the Mormon church. Uh oh. It’s a guy who was a dentist yesterday, or a career lawyer and politician who possesses no understanding of separation between church and government. When your church says you’re better than everyone else, there’s no respect for boundaries or anyone’s autonomy, and no need to explain yourself or be transparent or even tell the truth, if you’ve already been assured that God blesses everything you do (see “Second Annointing”).
Maybe a better question would be “Why would they claim Jesus at all?” Apparently Jesus wasn’t sufficient for Oaks, Nelson, Hinkley, Smith, and other mere humans who feel entitled to demand obedience to the latest ultimate eternal truth that God just thought of yesterday. Don’t even think about doubting what the latest self-declared “prophet” is pushing today. Actually, yeah, don’t bother doubting it because as soon as it gets enough unpopular opinions, he’ll change it anyway.
Stop asking questions and just keep paying the rich old White guy to call you unworthy!
Claiming Christ isn’t good enough for them.
It doesn’t ascribe them all the glory and authority and sparkly specialness they need to combat the shame and threats directed at their children about the afterlife that the leaders dish out. There’s a lot of double-talk from members, through bright white, Chanel lipstick smiles, about how other churches are doing good too, but ultimately they’re taught that they’re better than the rest of us. And they wonder why people with faith and self-esteem don’t like that. The leaders have it backwards: the leaders shame and scare the membership into sacrificing more and more; keeping more and more of the church’s filthy secrets, covering up more and more abuse, blaming themselves for not being 100% happy, getting it all done and looking like Barbie and Ken (the White versions) doing it, and converting everyone they meet. The leaders have convinced the members that they need to believe the latest rich old White guy more than anything. Anything. And if the members go along with it all, defend leaders and ideologies that personally violate them, betray themselves and their better common sense enough, then ‘maybe’ the church will make things okay between them and God and ‘maybe’ their families won’t be held eternal hostages. What part of “grace”, what part of “love”, is so complicated and secretive? Jesus is for everyone, regardless of their gender, race, or ability to pay. The members I know are beautiful people and I wish they could see how desperately the leadership needs them to keep propping up the crumbling institution. Not the other way around. Classic abusive relationship. Even down to the smear campaign when someone claims their rights and freedom. “Lazy” “Deceived by satan”?
If you’re not free to say no, you’re not freely saying yes, and no one should have the “covenant” they were coerced into acting out at age 8, or 20, held over their head in a shame cloud.
So we should keep speaking what we see, because apparently they’re very sensitive to what’s fashionable and they will continually bend to the greater good. They’ll call it “revelation”, but they’ll come around when they smell that they’re risking mainstream popularity too much.
These leaders make me sick.
First lds leader I've actively disliked. Most seem genuinely nice and talk about doing nice things. This guy just seems to be sorting out petty arguments he lost 50 years ago... Now the people who told him he was wrong are all dead and out the way...
"The law and the prophets were until John; since that time the Kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." LUKE 16:16
I wondered why they have a bus parked along side the Temple Square
This is a very bad edited video. I actually agree that they may disagree at times, but this video I would say is doctored and was taking some of the things they said out of context. Most quotes I noticed were not what apostles and prophets were calling people in the church but what people outside the church were calling them.
"MEET THE MORMONS".......?
Isn't it the book of " MORMON" 😂😂😂
LMAO
I'm so confused...dammmn!
Ugh, Russell M Nelson looks really creepy with his eyes being shadowed...
The people never let me down. Only God did. If you want a false belief, that's it.
Wow…. Lol 😂
All love to you “Joe Smith” but if you actually believe that this exposes the contradiction found in the church you need both a dictionary and a better day job.
At least make a video about polygamy or race and the priesthood… make an effort man.
Clipping a video about the use of the word Mormon as a Gotcha moment is… elementary.
I’ll circle back around when you got actual content for a channel dedicated to a Faith that you can’t leave alone lol
These fools as Paul would say don't even know there own religion following in after the Muslim prophet Muhammad, if this is what they want to believe theb God will let them lust in it and don't worry when Jesus come they will acknowledge that Christ is Lord
We already do acknowledge that Christ is Lord. We don't acknowledge that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are the 3 Gods in 1 that you believe in. For us... they are separate and not of the same essence.
(1) So the Mormons have an "image" problem? (2) Jesus gets "offended?"... that's not very God-like. (I believe He's above such BS.)
Boring!!!!!!!
THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, is the only, TRUE CHURCH, period.
Then your God's plan is a lousy one. Because there's 8 billion people on the planet and only 16m LDS members. That's 0.02% of the population. He only prepared a way for 0.02% of the population to know the "truth" and have it in their lives? That's some awful uncaring god you've got. Why have most people on the planet not even have access to this truth? Why have an entire nation of North Korea suffering and not allowed to even hear this truth? Only people who happen to be born in areas where lds churches are preaching are loved by your god?
Always find Trolls like this on the internet.
This video proves that each person is unique and precious to the sight of Jehova, our Heavenly Father and of His Beloved Son Yoshua, Jesus Christ, our awesome Saviour and Redeemer.
Even the Prophets are UNIQUE, imperfect and precious to our ONLY ONE Lord and God in Heaven.
HE, our gracious, merciful, and POWERFUL Father in Heaven ONLY sees the humble, meek, and KIND HEARTS of His children on Earth.
HE will forgive and save us, as we repent continuosly of our sins.
"repent continuosly of our sins." ????..... ahhhh, I do believe that repentance only needs to be done once.
I mean if you are truly repentant then there's no need to repent again.
After all, repentance means to change your mind towards something. If you say you've repented, then commit the same sin, then you were not truly repentant the first time.
You also failed to mention that He will forgive us IF we forgive OTHERS!!!! You cannot be unforgiving and expect to be saved.
This is the excuse church members have been giving for years..you can't hide behind this when your church claims that the prophets words are the direct words of God!!! Brigham young had 50 wives and married underage 14 year olds and vocally supported slavery, while claiming it was all supported by an "unconditionally loving" God
The early followers of Christ & the apostles were know as followers of the way. It was @ Antioch that they were first called Christian's, in a very derogatory way I might add. Because mormons no nothing of the history of the Christian church, let alone their own history, let me give you a spoiler alert. They embraced it !!!!!Since the MORMON CHURCH actually follows Joe Smith, and venerate/ worship him, to the tune of statues, paintings, and a multimillion "memorial building" on a priceless piece of real estate downtown. And 80-90% of the subject in general conference, and ward meetings is devoted to him. (Mormons only mention Christ when politically correct, or in need of validity) I suggest you change the name to The church of Joseph Smith of latter day blasphemer's. Fit's perfectly
Our lesson on Sunday was literally about the birth of our savior, Jesus Christ 😐
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The videos are over 20 years apart lol. 😂
Times change as said in the Book of Mormon. Showing footage from the 90’s
There's no contradictions here when interpreted correctly and when the time and circumstances are put in place.
Do you notice that you've only shared speeches from the recent generations? Before they were born, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were already nick-named and hated so much that the earlier generations began responding and it became a habit for them, then it was passed on to the next generation.
I've never referred to myself as a "mormon", my family have, each time they have I have always corrected them and said "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".
Having the Saviour's name on the signs of the church shouts out loudly and clearly to the public the name, Jesus Christ.
When I walk past other churches I have no idea what religion they are, I see no signs of Christianity, when the counselors in the Roman Empire changed the name of the church Christ established in Jerusalem, Christ got less recognisable.
3 Nephi 27:7-8
7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
Doctrine & Covenants 115:3-4
3 And also unto my faithful servants who are of the high council of my church in Zion, for thus it shall be called, and unto all the elders and people of my Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, scattered abroad in all the world;
4 For thus shall my church be called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
About these scriptures, 3 Nephi was translated before Joseph Smith received the Revelations in D&Cs 115, that's why in 1830 the church did not yet have a certain name.
they are God's apostles
Mormons... FOREVER
And yet, for all the comments below... it keeps on going... and going... and going. ;)
Well you shouldent boast to much because once you die your going to relise you have wasted ypur life time and money that is because that is the only time your going to face the fact that the lds church is not true. And then it will be to late.
Nelson the narcissist.
They aren’t controdicting eachother at all
Mormon *false apostles and prophets
Joel Rodriguez: Joel Rodriguez: I'm talking about the ministry of the Holy Ghost as the Comforter. John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." On what basis is your claim, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a false church? I'm using the Bible to explain my beliefs. Do you have any reference to support what you say?
David Burns okay let me say this okay Joseph Smith is a false profit the Mormon bible is not the real bible there too many contradictions n top of that the book of Mormon is has contradicted too so for me to be honest I don’t believe the Books of Mormon is true I don’t believe the lds church is the truth church bc if the lds church is truth church everyone else wrong see that why the Mormon can’t claim they are the truth church bc they are not bc what all of u are saying ur right n everyone else wrong really well that the case I rather be in the wrong of religion then believe the bs false claims of the lds church n there lies.
Look does matter the Mormon religion is a fraud u don’t want to accepted then that on u not on me I have realized that I don’t need religion to be happy or achieve my goals. That one point that I am making is funny how Mormon love to contradict everybody else they don’t agree with the Mormon lies n bs sorry but the lds church is a fraud n a corporation that collects money.
@@joelrodriguez2152: "..the Mormon bible is not the real bible." No, the King James Version of the Bible is the Bible of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is no "Mormon Church" and never was one. It is obvious that you do not know enough about the Church to comment on it unless you can be more specific.
David Burns I don’t want to know about the church I don’t do religion I think religion is pure garbage I rather to focus on my goals n dreams the waste my Sunday going to church I rather be free from the religion bs. That the truth
@@joelrodriguez2152: It would appear that your goals and dreams are short sighted.
Let them have their nonsense cult and enjoy it fully
The title of this video is misleading and it's content shows a misunderstanding of how the Church works.
How does the church work?
@@tdubs5128 hmmmm good question.
With people like me in it its a miracle it ever does😂
😂First off, they are all individuals, and they do have disagreements. They themselves have said happen “All the time” but on doctrine, they all 99% of the time agree. Like, regardless of all of these purposely, and oddly clipped videos ranging from 30 years back to now, it’s like who seriously cares? They call it the living gospel for a reason. They might as well be talking about which NFL team is best🤷♂️
Exactly lmfao. All I see here is people calling themselves the wrong term, and this guy calls himself the right term. But the meaning and intention behind the term were the same. It’s like if you called yourself stupid only to learn the correct word to the feeling you felt was smart, what’s important it intention, not exact wording.
Moses wandered in the Wilderness for 40 years. Why didn't Joshua do the same? Israelites were prepared for the change and the new prophet was inspired to make it.
Nice try but these prophets and apostilles are in no way contradicting each other in this video, but you can't forget the fact that in The Book of Mormon there was a dispute between the people on what is the proper name to call the church and Jesus replied that you should take on the name of Christ because it is his church and this is why the proper name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints. People call us Mormons because we read The Book of Mormon and many members have gotten used to referring to us as Mormons but we all know that the proper name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints because in The Book of Mormon it mentions that we are supposed to take upon the name of Christ because it is his church.
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