Persona 6 already came out: It's called "Yakuza: Like a Dragon" and it's got what people want! Adult cast, Darker tone, changes to Social Links, and more! Ichiban's Persona is strange, but I won't complain!
Instead of being dark, maybe Persona 6 should take a more "bittersweet" atmosphere. Maybe a story with the edgy things of 2/3 and the cheerful moments of 4. It would probably be a great tone for the trama.
Would make sense persona 3 was edgy and dark Persona 4 was happy with dark undertones Persona 5 had dark elements that are fixed by the protagonist So haveing persona 6 be like that would make sense
"...Instead of coming up with ideas that would be good, they come up with ideas that would be different." -Fither, 2021 Bro I legit want to get this on a shirt because you f**king nailed it with this statement. You preached my heart and communicated my feelings perfectly.
I think what a lot of fans need to realize is that this is a niche series that's finally going mainstream. The number of people who have played P3,4, and 5 to death and are sick of the setting, high school, social links, combat, etc are highly outnumbered by the people who just got into it with 5 and want more of all of that. They're not going to change things up drastically as soon as they've struck gold.
I honestly hope they don't change Social Link stuff that much in Persona 6, because 5 pretty much nailed it in execution and it'd suck for it to immediately go away after getting so good.
persona series' identity has already been altered ever since p3 come out. p1 and p2 is so much more alike to mainline smt, so maybe we'll get another series similar to smt if when that happens
@@GervasiusMC I know, but it’s just not the same as running around demon-infested Kasuguyama High and watching as none of the students even notice the random encounters every 10 seconds.
I don't get the last 2 criticisms. Most games featuring adult casts don't have you do your taxes. And in Persona you generally already work jobs in nonsensical schedules. You can literally keep the games exactly the same except age up the characters to not be 16 year olds.
No in Japan they wouldn't do that because the adults would like to run on their teen years and the teenagers who will buy the game would like to relate to the characters
So for persona 6 I would like more adult characters. Not the main characters being adults but some more adult characters like Zenkichi who are more directly involved with the cast. So the kids can have an adult perspective even if they are still teens.
A idea I have is a teacher who is a party member and they would be a member who joins you at least before summer and help teach special lessons for the party
For people who want that the only thing I say is that it probably won't happen, the main target of persona games are male teenagers, i just don't see a game with only a female protagonist
Or the ones thinking their stories would work the same as for the male protagonist. Like, you think Kamoshida's arc would be the same for a female student MC? Fuck no. Not even close. Kamoshida's words and overall attitude would be different. Ryuuji would get more defensive and protective of you. Ann would get a stronger sense of comraderie sooner. Also, a girl getting all those rumors of assault and violence? Both male and female students wouldn't react in the same way to you in your first day. Its nonsense. The idea of _everyone_ tresting both genders exactly the same except for some romance options is nonsense, no matter how much it shocks your western current year values.
From a game development standpoint making two genders would take more time, but we have had persona 3 add a female option in a future remade game, which is why a lot of people thought Kasumi was one too, but from a story standpoint I would disagree, it wouldn’t change a whole lot of the story, some dialogue would be different, but I could see Kamoshida behaving the same way towards Joker, like how in the beginning he was superficially polite but once joker started digging into the allegations he got more hostile, it would even impact more if Joker was a girl, Ryuji would change only cus he would be romanceable now and I think Ann’s would actually be the same maybe even more defensive against the player since girls don’t like other girls poking in their business especially with how other girls have treated Ann before the game, people would still see the player as a thug no matter what, maybe even added words like tease and other insults. The beginning would likely have the most changes but afterwards it would of been fine. As for other games in the future, I’ve seen games with just female protags that guys love, and it would spice up the formula of persona games, although I doubt it would happen, the more likely case would be picking between the two genders before playing as just a girl
@@denkerbosu3551 I don't think it's really down to "western current year values." The social issues involving Kamoshida just happen to be intensely gendered. So it's more that "sexism exists." You could probably convert Kamoshida into a Western equivalent and he'd still be believable. I don't know that he'd work in a school setting, but a guy using his authority and clout to sexually harass women isn't exactly a new phenomenon in the west either.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing an international Persona; it's just that usually Persona focuses on handling issues specific to individuals and systems in Japan (see LadyVirgilia's character analyses for some good videos on the subject). I wouldn't blame Atlus for sticking in their wheelhouse.
It would be interesting but it would take a lot of research depending on how many places they want to explore. Wouldn't want to accidentally offend a country and get the game banned there eh.
I definitely agree about the whole adults thing. On paper the idea of a Persona game where the main cast are adults doesn’t sound too bad, however considering how much Japan loves the high school setting I don’t see them moving away from it any time soon. I also think that due to P5’s popularity I don’t really see Atlus rocking the boat too hard with P6, mostly out of fear of losing the huge player base they’ve acquired. I could honestly see them just refining/streamlining the formula that they already have, with maybe a few new mechanics here or there.
Also, adult life sucks in Japan. Simply making the characters into adults would change the gameplay formula almost entirely. Essentially no free time, you never really meet people outside of your workspace, general adult stuff like taxes that would absolutely have to stay in the game for the sake of realism. It just sounds like a bad idea all around
@@FlappoTheSilentScientist Hypothetically using the idea of “Japanese adult life sucking” could actually work story wise. If they focused on how messed up Japans corporate work culture is and how the heroes rebel against it, mixed with some supernatural elements, I think it could have the potential to be an interesting story. That being said, they probably won’t do that considering the reasons I mentioned above and also the idea of “rebelling against societies expectations” is a bit too similar to P5.
@@iansmith1768 I wasn't necessarily saying that it can't be good. They just couldn't do it and be realistic in the same way without massively changing what makes Persona unique
"I want a persona game with an adult cast." Me: I want a male character who's musculature actually reflects how much they work out but we don't always get what we want!
Well none of the Persona cast are particularly ripped, and the only ones who should be are Ryuji and Akihiko, but they do more strength training than muscle training, which is different. So you’ve already got it lol
@@monmonkey7029 well in all fairness we dont really know much about most characters training regimes i wouldnt be surprised if the characters do a lot of physical training of screen
Bruh the calendar countdown part with the social life are some of the most unique aspects of persona why would you get rid of it. Confidants are amazing ways to get insight into characters.
With an Adult cast they could evolve the social link. Imagine a Social Link system where the Tarot of the person is not determined until a certain point within the social link, basically, based on your actions, you determine the tarot path that character takes and based on the finale it could be a heads up or a heads down tarot card to determine your actual connection to the character. While of course it would take a lot of dialogue, it would definitely open up variety when it comes to how people play, to create an experience unique to them, to know that based on how they react/treat the character will determined how they change or don't change, for better or worse. If there is one flaw with the social link system, in essence, there really isn't much emotion to changing the person, you just follow a linear narrative making the "right" choices to progress the story or rather choices to increase your affinity with the character. It would be interesting if your dialogue tree with the person could define how they interact with you, or if they cut you off completely or change their opinion of you.
The calendar is mostly just padding, if something were actually done with the system I would be more in favor of it such as with the time management system in Devil Survivor. And Social Links have the issue of having little to no bearing on the game itself, along with also a lot of padding, which makes you wonder why not just bake those interactions into the regular game's story. These wish fulfillment aspects are a pretty big draw of these games, so I doubt they'd remove them, but it sure would be nice if they were substantial.
The “adult” thing with Persona wouldn’t work imo but it would be interesting for the setting to take place on a college campus. I think that would be different from high school and stuff.
@@acedetective9542 Eternal punishment didn't have the social sim aspect which P6 will most likely retain and while not impossible, trying to revolve the social sim aspect around the absolute hellhole that is Japanese work culture is no easy task
I like the idea of an adult cast, but adults with full time jobs doesn’t suit Persona, I think College students would work better for an adult cast, you would still have the school and job aspect.
He's clearly talking about people who got into the Persona community as a whole. I'm sure a ton of people who only played P3 and P4 casually and left it at that also don't care about P1 or P2. Most people who got into Persona through 5 have have already checked out Golden, FES, Portable or Eternal Punishment.
5:00 I always thought people were asking for another Persona game with an adult cast specifically because it was done in the past and people wanna see it done again.
I internally groan whenever someone says "get rid of Social Links, Persona before Social Links was better." If you don't like Social Links, that's fine, but don't make yourself sound so bitter about it by basically saying "I wish they would get rid of this thing that a lot of people really like."
I think it’s less of they don’t want social links but more that they don’t like how much of the characters development is locked behind a social link but since most party members don’t get anything past their initial development then they can’t have anything past their initial personality since social links are optional
Two more things I hear a lot: 1. having a roadtrip Persona game - apparently 5 even started development as a roadtrip game. It's obviously less likely now that Strikers is out, but I have no idea how you'd make Social Links work if you're not living in the same place for the entire time. I guess your party's travelling with you, but how do you do the just "befriending a random dude from your town" links? SLinks would have to either be really reworked in how they work (maybe make more to have area-exclusives but make them shorter?) or removed, which I don't want or see happening. 2. This is a smaller one, but having a returning character as a Social Link or a party member. Specifically I've heard several people asking for a teenage Nanako to be a party member in P6, which... OK. It doesn't seem like a bad idea, though having Nanako specifically would be very strange to me, and I don't know where this fixation on her comes. Just as long as that entire character's personality isn't "Hey, remember Yuu Narukami? Yuu Narukami is my onii-chan. I love my onii-chan. Yuu Narukami is cool and my onii-chan."
As cool as the trip around the world idea for persona 5 was the more I think about it the less I like it. Part of my emotional investment in 3, 4, and 5, especially so with 5, is how during the 100 or so hours I spent with the game I became very familiar with the one setting to the point where leaving it at the end of the game becomes as emotional as it is for the protagonist.
I think the reason why Atlus always sets their games (if in the real world) in Japan is simple: they write what they know. That is not a bad thing and I would not expect them to deviate from that. There's also the problem with accidentally offending people, which at the current moment is taken deathly seriously in the West. Just depicting groups of people, or not depicting them, or depicting them badly or too goodly are surefire ways to spark an outrage mob on Twitter and in the gaming press. The Goldilocks sensibilities people have nowadays are absurd, so there is tremendous incentive for any developer to stick to what they know rather than to risk offending people by not depicting them in the perfect light they want.
Good point about sticking to what they know. Even if they did research they'd be bound to make a mistake here or there and the consequences of that might not make it worth pursuing
personally, i’d love to see the p1/2 format come back in the form of a spin-off, where you have all the protagonists and wild cards in a party having to go through a mainline smt scale pantheon of enemies (haha maybe make the main baddie nyarlethotep that would be crazy aha)
Not necessarily, P1 and P2 aren't really that similar to mainline SMT outside of gameplay similarities. In terms of the story and characters, the "Classic Persona" style is pretty much only in P1 and P2
@@gz4wbz True, but Devil Summoner 1 doesn't have an English version, and those games still aren't quite as character or pychology focused as P1 and P2. The tones are definitely more similar though.
Personally, I would like the P6 protag to not be the saviour of all social links. I would appreciate a couple social links that have a poor ending where all the help that you did didn't really amount to much, but the person is still really appreciative of what you did. Or like they are going through a traumatic experience that is unavoidable and you can only help with their mental health. I would like that a lot.
These where what I had in mind. Cause iirc most of P5 confidants had a pretty good endings and I personally don't think that's too realistic, because shit happens and I don't think a single teenager should be able to fix all these problems.
I feel like having a party made up of exclusively adults is A.Dumb and B.Never gonna happen. I could see a Zenkichi party member/members where it’s just an adult or a couple of adults in the party.
Having recently played Persona 2 Innocent Sin on my live streaming channel, I do understand why people would ask for Adult persona games. Thing is ... I prefer the student element. Rumors flying in school halls, kids bucking under the pressure of what their peers say, personas reflecting their inner most secrets and desires, adults being distorted by a similar element. That is a much more reliable narrative to me. I couldn't imagine, for instance, being a mailroom worker in an office trying to use social links to climb the employment hierarchy and get new personas... It could work but I think it's less relatable then being an outcast student trying to fit in
I'm really hoping one of the new projects is a Persona 5 spinoff (preferably Persona 5 Arena/Ultimax) mostly about Jose, so we can finally know what his whole deal is.
@@JoelBurger Thing is, none of the other Persona games had major connections to the previous ones, so the idea that Jose is gonna be a major character in Persona 6 is unlikely, in my opinion.
I know it would be bad for bringing in new people, but the lack of overarching world building in the Persona series continues to annoy me. The government has known enough about Shadows to set up a task force to fight them a decade ago and multiple private groups have also discovered supernatural stuff and the world hasn't changed even slightly. It's starting to feel like a Saturday morning cartoon where every week the villain gets away and everything goes back to normal. That said, student at a college with a semi-secret government programme studying shadow phenomena would be my pitch.
Was the government involved in P2? Cause I know P3-5 has minimal government involvement and P1 all happens in 1 school/town The big organizations all seem to come from corporations in Persona land.
@@coldfrost3 To a degree. The New World Order was headed by prominent politicians, but with Persona 2 the exact position of the outside world is murky (due to how much the city is warped by rumors).
@@JoelBurger like your right that government has some understanding of the metaverse but the scale is wonky in 3&4 its one cop in a town but in 5 its potentially a government conspiracy but it seems mostly seems like a rnd facility plus shidos connections.
@@coldfrost3 having governments know and try to deal with shadows and such is rather bad idea one wrong experiment and BOOM! portal opens up shadows kill nearly everyone and it becomes basically SMT again.
“Persona 5 isn’t dark enough” Haru, who was nearly sold into a political marriage by her estranged father, who neglected her for his massive corporation then had to watch him die on live television right after he made up with her and promised to be better, then leaving her in charge of said corporation that wanted to exploit her with her dealing with several months of depression as well: *k*
Well honestly it there's one thing about persona 6. I wanted to have more connections from all the games that came beforehand. Come on build the world a little bit. Have a couple older characters returned. this world has to have some kind of fall out consequences from the events from persona 1 through 5.
@@MarshallMelloooo yes, but there wasn't any in 5 and the last one we see were in the labyrinth spin off games (which are essentially non-canon fan fiction). And honestly, is that how low the bar is set that is considered acceptable/good enough? This is also for @SPL-316, when was the last time the game actively acknowledge his existence or even said his name for that matter. Like, what are the odds that you could ask a "fan" who is Philemon and they would know who he is? Asking someone that in person, on the spot where they couldn't have the opportunity to look it up.
I would like to see Persona 6 take place 'online/digital' By that I mean the Dark Hour/TV world/whatever will be a digital world with a lot of the messages is aimed towards being your true self online and all that jazz. The neat thing could be that it may allow for a bigger cast outside of the school as the gang that gets together to fight the problem, may not actually be together, at least not at first, and meet online. Could also allow for easy cameos from old Tech characters like Futaba or the Teacher from Persona 3~
What I've noticed about a lot of these "wishes" is that a lot of them would drastically change what Persona is as a series, especially if more than one of these changes came to pass. Which is interesting because a lot of it comes from supposed "Persona Fans", and yet a lot of these fans ask for so much (some of which is fundamental to the series) to be changed. You said that a lot of it seems less people wanting something because it is a good idea, and more because it is different. I would say that a lot of it is people who ultimately wanted something else and Persona seemed like the closest popular thing.
Persona 5 stood out because of that bold-noir visual style that pertained all throughout its promotional material, and the game itself y'know, the red and the swirls and the funky lettering I'd love to see a game set in the past w/ a sorta VHS look to it
Extremely Excited for Persona 6. Despite SMT being higher in my head, Persona is such a comfort. I really am interested to see what theyre gonna bring to the table :) PS!!!! Congrats on 60k :)
I’m glad there’s someone who likes one series better and doesn’t trash the other and appreciates both for what they are and not arguing we need more people like that
There was never talk about an International road trip game, just a Japanese road trip game. That idea was canned in the aftermath of the Japanese tsunami and Fukushima disaster, which is why one of 5's big themes is corruption in schools, medicine, journalism, and politics. Strikers is really what they where planning on 5 being, which ended up working better imo.
lol personally i kinda don’t want P6 to have the green/sickness theme i’ve heard people talk about bc i’ve heard it SO MUCH. make P6 literally any other color atlus i’m begging
I am so sick of hearing that games need to be dark or have adults to be good. Also how the hell was Persona 3-5 not dark? The only thing I can think of is the assumption that anime art with teen characters = not dark inherently. C.S. Lewis has a good quote for critics who treat "adult" as a term of approval
4 has a serial killer on the loose, and 5 is about apathy being death without the meme. Presentation makes it more easy to sit through dark material but that doesn't make the subject matter any less dark
I wouldn’t really call 90% of P4 and P5 dark. Their tones are just so upbeat and optimistic, and the darker elements don’t really play too major a role in the overall game. They’re still mature in their storytelling, but, aside from a very Kamoshida shaped exception, the only really dark one was P3, with its themes’ heavy emphasis on death and grief.
I would like to have it set in the northern regions of Japan with an emphasis on Norse mythology. Either that, or an emphasis on cryptids, and other modern paranormal themes like UFOs and the various Alien races which supposedly interact with humanity (Reptilians, Greys, etc.) The dimension they enter would be "The Goblin Universe" an overarching theory that exists to explain all paranormal phenomena, basically saying the force behind all the phenomena appears different depending on the expectations of the viewer (personas)
The adult cast stuff is annoying, because it fundamentally doesn't understand why 3-4-5 are set in high school in the first place. High school is a time where characters are old enough to begin thinking about who they want to become (making for easy character arcs), but young enough to where they are forced to be in close proximity to other people (making for easy character interaction). You put them in college or the work force and basically that entire narrative structure collapses.
@@RaspyCh I guess that depends on who you ask. But persona didn't become the juggernaut it is today until p3 pit it on the path. Persona 2 isn't really like 3-4-5. And that aspect of forming bonds with other characters would be difficult to implement.
@@RaspyCh Watch the video to see why the EP comparison doesn't work when talking about modern Persona. And I don't know who you've been listening to, but people generally hype up IS's story more than EP.
Really agree with your assertion that dark =/= good. I remember when I was a teenager, Nintendo got a lot of shit for making colourful "kids'" games, regardless of how fun or technically excellent they were.
I kinda hope for maybe a theme based on fairy tales, sorta how P5 had a picaresque theme. And though it may sound whimsical and stuff, it can actually go with the more traditional route of Grimm's fairy tells. Plus, it could maybe give us a new female MC with Alice as her primary persona.
A wierdly specific thing I've been thinking about for a bit: I think it'd be cool if the main characters had the ability to summon their personas in the real world again. I don't even know why I want this, I doubt it would even really add anything to the game.
@@chongwillson972It....is? Huh, where? I'm not being sarcastic here or anything, I'm geniunely curious, to clarify. I can't say I recall ANY instances, at least in base vanilla P5 anyhow, where the cast is implied, implicitly or otherwise, to be able to summon their Persona's outside the Metaverse. Granged, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a reference to such in the later parts of Royal or perhaps Q2 or Strikers, but if so I'm not aware of it. I wouldn't really be overly surprised, though, granted. As much as people like to fap vigorously to P3 in that regard (and just in general, as a whole, really), summoning a Persona in the real world seems to require nothing more then either a catalyst like an Evoker, or special training/factors. Presumably ANY of the cast's could do so if they really wanted to.
Theming is such an important part of Persona that I think, above all these other things, you first need to figure out what theme Persona 6 would take on... and that's a really difficult question. What can you explore about society that hasn't already been covered? Persona 3 covered the meaning of life, Persona 4 covered the search for truth and personal identity, and Persona 5 covered a sense of justice and revolution. What themes can Persona 6 explore that aren't already covered by its predecessors? Once you decide on a theme, that's when you can start piecing together cast and character choices. Maybe Persona 6 could explore the passage of time? Why must time pass? Why must we wait? What happens if you act too early? What if you miss your chance? How do you know when the time is right? Perhaps people are lost in thought, stuck in their normal routines convinced that they're waiting for their chance to break free but it'll never come... I think that might step on the toes of Persona 5's Mementos and Persona 3's Fallen, but it's just an idea. Trying to come up with an entirely original theme for a Persona game is really tough and gives you a whole new layer of respect for the writers at Atlus for being able to do so well with each game.
If they ever did an adult cast, I'd imagine it would be set at Uni. Similar enough to high school that they could reuse a lot of the calendar stuff, but would give them the freedom to throw in more 'adult' stuff where they wanted.
I thought that P4 is actually dark, yes it is very slice of life and it has more anime elements. But keep in mind that the game is about child abduction and murder.
First off Congratulations on 60k Subs! Second, ADACHI AMONG US IMPSOSTER SUS 2020 $14.95 PIÑATA? But really, I think the big 25th Anniversary reveal is either gonna be a Remake, PS1 Era Collection or a Persona 6 "Currently In Development" trailer.
Persona 5 is a dark game, but it's not a serious game. By comparison Persona 4 is more consistently lighthearted, but it takes its tone more seriously when dark things come up and it's more consistent overall. It's an interesting comparison point.
One relatively small thing that I think would be cool is if you could talk to your teammates during dungeons and/or during daily life more than just mandatory sequences. Like in P5 there was pretty much no optional dialogue between party members at all (aside from the little conversations that pop up in Mementos sometimes). Part of what made the P2 cast so good (imo) is the fact that you can talk to them outside of scripted sequences and get their thoughts on whatever's going on/whatever's on their mind at the moment, see them having conversations with the other party members, etc. It made them feel more connected to the world around them (+ having them goof off with each other or comfort each other after someone goes through something big is just super endearing lol).
Really all I want is for P6 to have the party members evolve their Personas as a result of the main plot like in P3 and for them to break up the constantly reused tropes and jokes that 3-5 loved spamming. Beach scene, hotsprings shenanigans, etc. We have a brand new director who's already shown that he's good since Royal's additions were all good.
I'd really like to see a Persona game that uses Fair Folk mythology for its theming and aesthetic. Pretty much the entire thing is ready-made for a Persona game. Glamorie, illusions and changelings? Boom, easy identity theme. The Fair Folk are capricious, arbitrary and like cutting deals? Demon negotiations. The Fairy Realm is now your Metaverse/TV World/Dark Hour equivalent. Then sit Igor down in a hedge maze garden themed Velvet Room. And a lot of Japanese mythology also already parallels quite a bit of this stuff. (Shinto gods and youkai may as well be Celtic fairies for all that it matters.)
I swear I can make a drinking game with how many different people people on the different groups I am in keep repeating female option, gay option, and no highschool setting over and over again And I get tired of hearing them
@@thecrimsonduke6765 yeah im praying its a really good best in series I dont even care what it is just be really really good with story and JUST GOOOOD
One thing that would be good concept for persona 6 is a dream world. That could be a good way to explored the mind and good surreal imagery. Admit that sound too similar to psychonauts. A part of me also think of a shadow world mixed with the internet/digital stuff(like the show code lyoko) I mean social media does show people’s shadow and stuff. Also I would to have a more college setting like in persona 2 eternal punishment, But given persona likes to market to teens, so we mostly not going to get it.
The only way I see Persona to be like the old games for an entry is if it is a spinoff and I'm not even sure if there is energy to have a full scale Persona story in that format. Even with the old formula, it would still have social aspects akin to Tokyo Mirage Sessions with maybe just having more focus on your party or something. And when it comes to people wanting adults to be played in a mainline Persona game. I just find it weird that people glorify college as this grand thing for a Persona game. Which is just high school but you have to actually take it seriously and stricter lifestyle.
For the international setting : Atlus could make a persona game with expantions that happens at the same time as the main game. Just look GTA4 episodes of liberty city execution as an example . Like oh the main cast meets another persona users team a couple of times and then in the expantion we see their perspective
I think adult cast could work with the post-2 formula if they either made it a college setting, or if it went full balls to the wall "Neo Tokyo" futuristic and was some kind of weird dystopia where school activities are lifelong and there are statues venerating Saint Patron Adachi.
I want a the party members of p6 to not be so relent on the mc. like the other characters persona evolve without requring the mc to trigger it, like P3
Yo here's a crazy idea. How about instead of begging a foreign country to make a game that is historically based in Japan based in America, how about some American company try to make a social sim/plat former about high schoolers?
I want a romancable female villain. Like she's less expected as she's a waifu and she will sell billions of figures as she's so tragically evil as she's not actually evil so it's ok.
Why can't Western fans realize that college students and adults in Japan have limited free time compared to high school students? P2 EP was an exception because Maya was supposed to investigate the stuff behind Joker
Honestly, I just want a Persona game with a Velvet Room attendant as the final boss (it could be an reference to Pucci perhaps). Don’t even know how that would work, but it sounds kinda cool to me (if it was executed in a subtle way, maybe).
Persona5 was my first PERSONA game, and I agree; if they did away with the confidants and the 'slice of life' variation, I'd be super disappointed. I love feeling like I have 2 games in one. I can't wait for the new game! I hope there's a new game on the way in December!
Some time ago a friend and I thought about a Persona game fanfic as some kinda Persona 6 but for us and I'm so glad no of the reasons you talked about crossed our minds xd
A lot of these desired themes are very interesting to think about. *When I hear someone say "Make Persona 6 Dark", I would think they would mean the general aesthetic of the game. Persona 1-3 is what comes to mind, but mostly 3, because of its presentation of the themes and the eerieness of the Dark Hour concept in contrast to the TV World and the Metaverse. *"Have Persona 6 Star Adults" could definitely be interesting! As you said, high school is an extremely common setting in Japanese media. This is definately because high school life is "more fun" as you said, but the contrast to that is that many Japanese adults have a nostalgic feeling towards high school days. The adult life of Japan can be really draining, which I think could tie into the psychological themes of the next game if they wanted to go in that direction. *"Have Persona 6 take place outside of Japan" Interesting, but I think it is unlikely. Sure, Persona 5 was supposed to have an international setting, but that didn't happen for a reason. "Write what you know" is a phrase that I think Atlus exemplifies, and it may just be easier to write a story with a setting they're familiar with, both by living in Japan and writing stories that take place within it. *"Make Persona 6 like 1 & 2" Mechanics-wise...yeah, not happening. I would be behind a writing style more akin to 1 and 2, but there is absolutely no way we're losing the social elements and calendar system. I wouldn't want these elements to leave, and I think its fair to say the general playerbase and Atlus themselves wouldn't want that either.
I'd like (at least as an option) a female protagonist, as p3p shows Atlus can make that significantly alter gameplay enough to be interesting. I am a little biased though, as a woman, lol.
I would like more Persona variety, not in the collecting aspect but your friends' Personas could be more diverse, like how Makoto's is a rideable bike. Maybe a Persona that's wearable like the stand White Album, or one that's a Sword that the wielder summons.
@@deadlock9174 That's why the "actually do things" part at the end exists. Strega were pretty much useless in that game: outside of the very-very end with the cult of Nyx, the stuff they did never really mattered to SEES or in the grand scheme of things. Sure, they shown up a few times to interfere with the heroes, but it wasn't some overarching plan to make them submit, just petty acts of violence when the opportunity presented itself. And, with the exception of Strega's introduction, we never saw what they *actually do* when they aren't busy sitting on their asses all day and talking. Compare that to Akechi, who actively opposed Thieves both inside and outside of Metaverse and had his own agenda (in the sense that Shido's plan was in place long before PT ever existed). Now imagine that, but with a whole group of Persona-Users with whom main characters have frequent interactions and confrontations.
I actually really like Persona 4 and persona being lighthearted because the lighthearted scenes only make the dark scenes to be even darker in comparison, causing this shock to the player. A good example of this is AI the Somnium Files, which is incredibly funny and lighthearted, but has very gruesome murders and deaths.
If you check Atlus store, you see an image of every mainline persona game (P5 P5R P4 P4G) (no arena dancing etc) and 2 secret panels. Same for the image of protagonists, p123 3femce 45 and a secret panel. Pretty big confirmation on p6 imo.
Well in regards to adults not being as interesting, going back to eternal punishment AND the p1 cast, there's lots of different view points going into the ideas on how to deal with the issues presented to them, from former persona users, to a cop and a former detective, journalist and ulala (I won't lie she has so much stuff she's done for jobs I forget) and it brings to mind a game where the persona team is well .a group of adults but the team themselves while they but heads, have more....knowledge and insight on what to do when the threat comes forward, but the sheer escalating scales are forcing them to ditch work, and puts an actual strain on their relationships with their loved ones, kinda making them sorta think there's cheating or other things going on. And when you can't hang out with a party member or social link it's cause they have their job to worry about and it kinda portrays you and the links who are ALWAYS available as adults who, while trying, can't seem to hold a job or circumstances came around that made it that they had more free time than they can use and so, just wander around trying to find a NEW purpose after what they had was taken away. I know it's a jumbled mess as I type this but it's more a setting/basic idea than a fully fleshed one, but it could be a way to kinda mix the adult characters from persona 2 to things..I guess more modern but letting them stay more..able to be characterized? And I hope the protag ends up with more personality than small tid bits here or there, or at least another way to see what they're thinking if we weren't in control
Persona 6 already came out: It's called "Yakuza: Like a Dragon" and it's got what people want! Adult cast, Darker tone, changes to Social Links, and more! Ichiban's Persona is strange, but I won't complain!
And there is a Policeman named Adachi, it's basically persona
@@juanjosevargas2180
Very true
Persona 6 is homestuck, change my mind
Yakuza fans really be wilding huh?
In the words of a leveling up Nanba...
"HELL YEAH"
Adachi was kinda the best imposter though, he kept that game going for like 80 hours
@FuckOuttaHere golden...
@FuckOuttaHere you clearly didn't play P4 golden
@FuckOuttaHere
Fuck outta here with that not playing P4G
150 hours if you are me
well in universe more like many months
Instead of being dark, maybe Persona 6 should take a more "bittersweet" atmosphere. Maybe a story with the edgy things of 2/3 and the cheerful moments of 4. It would probably be a great tone for the trama.
this!!
persona 5 was pretty bittersweet though. I wouldn't say that the true ending was very happy at all.
Would make sense
persona 3 was edgy and dark
Persona 4 was happy with dark undertones
Persona 5 had dark elements that are fixed by the protagonist
So haveing persona 6 be like that would make sense
@@propoppop9866 3 really wasn't at all edgy or THAT dark.
@@s3studios597 The edge was GUN and the dark was DEATH.
"...Instead of coming up with ideas that would be good, they come up with ideas that would be different."
-Fither, 2021
Bro I legit want to get this on a shirt because you f**king nailed it with this statement. You preached my heart and communicated my feelings perfectly.
Bro when he said that I felt like had been punched that was me I have no idea what would be a good idea just different
Fuck it, I want P6 to have a preschool cast
finally, someone gets it!
Fuck that. Embryos only.
I mean traumatizing children is always fun.
HELL YEAH!
The navigator's persona is just a tower of building blocks.
I feel like some people forget that a fictional character's maturity doesnt depend on their age but how theyre written
Like Natsu Dragneel, and Sasuke Uchiha (Although he is an adult now)
@@TwistedLullabies hell, jojo characters like Giorno or Jotaro. I sometimes forget theyre 15-16
"B-but I am not in high-school anymore! I can't relate to teenagers in _any_ way! Characters should have my circumstances for me to do that!"
This.
Persona 2 is best example
I can’t wait for the SMT V trailer speculation and schlockculation with Flair and Meti. Should be fun to watch.
I think what a lot of fans need to realize is that this is a niche series that's finally going mainstream. The number of people who have played P3,4, and 5 to death and are sick of the setting, high school, social links, combat, etc are highly outnumbered by the people who just got into it with 5 and want more of all of that.
They're not going to change things up drastically as soon as they've struck gold.
I honestly hope they don't change Social Link stuff that much in Persona 6, because 5 pretty much nailed it in execution and it'd suck for it to immediately go away after getting so good.
Atlus finna take "make it dark" too seriously and permanently turn down the brightness
I feel like if Atlus ever made another Persona game like 1 or 2, it would probably be it’s own spinoff series.
persona series' identity has already been altered ever since p3 come out. p1 and p2 is so much more alike to mainline smt, so maybe we'll get another series similar to smt if when that happens
and heck, if people wanted a persona experience similar to p1 and p2 then they should just check out smt instead lmfao
@@GervasiusMC I know, but it’s just not the same as running around demon-infested Kasuguyama High and watching as none of the students even notice the random encounters every 10 seconds.
@@GervasiusMC P1 and P2 are nothing like mainline SMT. They are at most more similar to something like Devil Survivor or Devil Summoner.
@@babulbi Speaking Devil Survivor, when will we get Devil Survivor 3 atlus???
I want a MATURE persona game where we get an adult cast and the game forces us to do our taxes and find a job
I don't get the last 2 criticisms. Most games featuring adult casts don't have you do your taxes. And in Persona you generally already work jobs in nonsensical schedules. You can literally keep the games exactly the same except age up the characters to not be 16 year olds.
No in Japan they wouldn't do that because the adults would like to run on their teen years and the teenagers who will buy the game would like to relate to the characters
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 they won't do that because Japan
They would probably work 24/7 and sleep in the subway, because it is Japan.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 it was a joke...
So for persona 6 I would like more adult characters. Not the main characters being adults but some more adult characters like Zenkichi who are more directly involved with the cast. So the kids can have an adult perspective even if they are still teens.
A idea I have is a teacher who is a party member and they would be a member who joins you at least before summer and help teach special lessons for the party
Most of these just describe mainline SMT it seems like
Also the main thing I want in P6 is Jack Ripper to complete the Jack Bros Trio
I wanna see Persona 6 bring a grown up version of a previous games party member as party member, like Yukino in Persona 2:IS.
Persona 5 Arena can’t get here sooner
I’m shocked you didn’t mention how much people want a female protagonist (not an optional one)
For people who want that the only thing I say is that it probably won't happen, the main target of persona games are male teenagers, i just don't see a game with only a female protagonist
Or the ones thinking their stories would work the same as for the male protagonist.
Like, you think Kamoshida's arc would be the same for a female student MC? Fuck no. Not even close. Kamoshida's words and overall attitude would be different.
Ryuuji would get more defensive and protective of you. Ann would get a stronger sense of comraderie sooner.
Also, a girl getting all those rumors of assault and violence? Both male and female students wouldn't react in the same way to you in your first day.
Its nonsense. The idea of _everyone_ tresting both genders exactly the same except for some romance options is nonsense, no matter how much it shocks your western current year values.
From a game development standpoint making two genders would take more time, but we have had persona 3 add a female option in a future remade game, which is why a lot of people thought Kasumi was one too, but from a story standpoint I would disagree, it wouldn’t change a whole lot of the story, some dialogue would be different, but I could see Kamoshida behaving the same way towards Joker, like how in the beginning he was superficially polite but once joker started digging into the allegations he got more hostile, it would even impact more if Joker was a girl, Ryuji would change only cus he would be romanceable now and I think Ann’s would actually be the same maybe even more defensive against the player since girls don’t like other girls poking in their business especially with how other girls have treated Ann before the game, people would still see the player as a thug no matter what, maybe even added words like tease and other insults. The beginning would likely have the most changes but afterwards it would of been fine.
As for other games in the future, I’ve seen games with just female protags that guys love, and it would spice up the formula of persona games, although I doubt it would happen, the more likely case would be picking between the two genders before playing as just a girl
@@denkerbosu3551 Persona 3 already did that though, multiple games have done it. Has nothing to do with western values.
@@denkerbosu3551 I don't think it's really down to "western current year values." The social issues involving Kamoshida just happen to be intensely gendered. So it's more that "sexism exists." You could probably convert Kamoshida into a Western equivalent and he'd still be believable. I don't know that he'd work in a school setting, but a guy using his authority and clout to sexually harass women isn't exactly a new phenomenon in the west either.
Hey Fither, congrats on hitting 60k!
thanks homie
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing an international Persona; it's just that usually Persona focuses on handling issues specific to individuals and systems in Japan (see LadyVirgilia's character analyses for some good videos on the subject). I wouldn't blame Atlus for sticking in their wheelhouse.
Imagine though if they went balls deep and just alright guys we're in fucking NEW YORK NOW
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florida would be cool...
It would be interesting but it would take a lot of research depending on how many places they want to explore.
Wouldn't want to accidentally offend a country and get the game banned there eh.
@@mylesobrien7477 Whenever I hear New York mentioned I always think about GTA IV. Now I'm picturing Niko with a Persona
I definitely agree about the whole adults thing. On paper the idea of a Persona game where the main cast are adults doesn’t sound too bad, however considering how much Japan loves the high school setting I don’t see them moving away from it any time soon. I also think that due to P5’s popularity I don’t really see Atlus rocking the boat too hard with P6, mostly out of fear of losing the huge player base they’ve acquired. I could honestly see them just refining/streamlining the formula that they already have, with maybe a few new mechanics here or there.
Also, adult life sucks in Japan. Simply making the characters into adults would change the gameplay formula almost entirely. Essentially no free time, you never really meet people outside of your workspace, general adult stuff like taxes that would absolutely have to stay in the game for the sake of realism. It just sounds like a bad idea all around
@@FlappoTheSilentScientist how does it suck compared to Western adult life.
@@FlappoTheSilentScientist Hypothetically using the idea of “Japanese adult life sucking” could actually work story wise. If they focused on how messed up Japans corporate work culture is and how the heroes rebel against it, mixed with some supernatural elements, I think it could have the potential to be an interesting story. That being said, they probably won’t do that considering the reasons I mentioned above and also the idea of “rebelling against societies expectations” is a bit too similar to P5.
@@iansmith1768 I wasn't necessarily saying that it can't be good. They just couldn't do it and be realistic in the same way without massively changing what makes Persona unique
@@ci7210 It sucks the same way that any other place sucks, just in a different way
In my opinion the dumbest thing is to take out the confidants, "OH LET'S TAKE AWAY WHAT MADE OUR SERIES DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS IN THE FIRST PLACE"
"I want a persona game with an adult cast."
Me: I want a male character who's musculature actually reflects how much they work out but we don't always get what we want!
Well none of the Persona cast are particularly ripped, and the only ones who should be are Ryuji and Akihiko, but they do more strength training than muscle training, which is different. So you’ve already got it lol
@@blackjesus-kun9341 Aren’t Ryuji’s Arms In-Game more Stockier than the Rest of the Cast? Or was I Just being Delusional?
@@monmonkey7029 Your correct, ryuji got slim jims
@@monmonkey7029 well in all fairness we dont really know much about most characters training regimes i wouldnt be surprised if the characters do a lot of physical training of screen
@@blackjesus-kun9341 what about kanji
Bruh the calendar countdown part with the social life are some of the most unique aspects of persona why would you get rid of it. Confidants are amazing ways to get insight into characters.
With an Adult cast they could evolve the social link. Imagine a Social Link system where the Tarot of the person is not determined until a certain point within the social link, basically, based on your actions, you determine the tarot path that character takes and based on the finale it could be a heads up or a heads down tarot card to determine your actual connection to the character.
While of course it would take a lot of dialogue, it would definitely open up variety when it comes to how people play, to create an experience unique to them, to know that based on how they react/treat the character will determined how they change or don't change, for better or worse.
If there is one flaw with the social link system, in essence, there really isn't much emotion to changing the person, you just follow a linear narrative making the "right" choices to progress the story or rather choices to increase your affinity with the character. It would be interesting if your dialogue tree with the person could define how they interact with you, or if they cut you off completely or change their opinion of you.
@@airget Wow.
@@airget damn that actually is a good idea, even if it’s very complex. I was just talking about people who want to destroy it altogether.
The calendar is mostly just padding, if something were actually done with the system I would be more in favor of it such as with the time management system in Devil Survivor. And Social Links have the issue of having little to no bearing on the game itself, along with also a lot of padding, which makes you wonder why not just bake those interactions into the regular game's story. These wish fulfillment aspects are a pretty big draw of these games, so I doubt they'd remove them, but it sure would be nice if they were substantial.
You actually covered all bases on people’s expectations for P6, you basically did my venting for me thank you.
Bro, I'd love Adachi Among Us for Persona 6
Persona Among us with Ryoji, Adachi and Akechi.
"I want a dark Persona"
Play SMT
"No"
I hate that cuz my friends say that all the time and they ignore me when I tell them to try Devil Survivor
Honestly, p3 is kind of dark.
Yup and that’s how it’s gonna be. People want things but hate when it’s a bit different than they want
Well to be fair I think they mean that they want the social sim aspect in the game
persona 3 doesnt exist
The “adult” thing with Persona wouldn’t work imo but it would be interesting for the setting to take place on a college campus. I think that would be different from high school and stuff.
Uh ,Eternal Punishment?
@@acedetective9542 Eternal punishment didn't have the social sim aspect which P6 will most likely retain and while not impossible, trying to revolve the social sim aspect around the absolute hellhole that is Japanese work culture is no easy task
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I like the idea of an adult cast, but adults with full time jobs doesn’t suit Persona, I think College students would work better for an adult cast, you would still have the school and job aspect.
look, hear me out
smt v: femboy protag
persona 6: tomboy protag
cmon atlus make it happen
This is a million dollar idea
No
No
Yes
Inconceivably based.
"Everyone is aware that there are adults in Persona 2. This is not new information"
You overestimate Persona 5 fans
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He's clearly talking about people who got into the Persona community as a whole. I'm sure a ton of people who only played P3 and P4 casually and left it at that also don't care about P1 or P2. Most people who got into Persona through 5 have have already checked out Golden, FES, Portable or Eternal Punishment.
5:00 I always thought people were asking for another Persona game with an adult cast specifically because it was done in the past and people wanna see it done again.
Chances are people who argue that don't know about P2EP.
They want it based off how the current Persona games are, which wouldn't exactly work
Literally the most tiny random thing ; I want the navigator to be a boy. It’s always a girl it would be nice
The most likely thing to happen when in actuality it does nothing😂
I remember when people thought Mishima was gonna be the navigator
@FuckOuttaHere that was like temporary Yknow what I mean 😅
Make him the big ripped guy too. Can say in the story that using his Persona takes a strong physical fortitude that only he can do.
Navi akechi makes me want this more than ever
I internally groan whenever someone says "get rid of Social Links, Persona before Social Links was better." If you don't like Social Links, that's fine, but don't make yourself sound so bitter about it by basically saying "I wish they would get rid of this thing that a lot of people really like."
I think it’s less of they don’t want social links but more that they don’t like how much of the characters development is locked behind a social link but since most party members don’t get anything past their initial development then they can’t have anything past their initial personality since social links are optional
Some form of a built in fusion calculator kinda like smt 4 but better would be really nice
Two more things I hear a lot:
1. having a roadtrip Persona game - apparently 5 even started development as a roadtrip game. It's obviously less likely now that Strikers is out, but I have no idea how you'd make Social Links work if you're not living in the same place for the entire time. I guess your party's travelling with you, but how do you do the just "befriending a random dude from your town" links? SLinks would have to either be really reworked in how they work (maybe make more to have area-exclusives but make them shorter?) or removed, which I don't want or see happening.
2. This is a smaller one, but having a returning character as a Social Link or a party member. Specifically I've heard several people asking for a teenage Nanako to be a party member in P6, which... OK. It doesn't seem like a bad idea, though having Nanako specifically would be very strange to me, and I don't know where this fixation on her comes. Just as long as that entire character's personality isn't "Hey, remember Yuu Narukami? Yuu Narukami is my onii-chan. I love my onii-chan. Yuu Narukami is cool and my onii-chan."
As cool as the trip around the world idea for persona 5 was the more I think about it the less I like it. Part of my emotional investment in 3, 4, and 5, especially so with 5, is how during the 100 or so hours I spent with the game I became very familiar with the one setting to the point where leaving it at the end of the game becomes as emotional as it is for the protagonist.
You do have a point
I think the reason why Atlus always sets their games (if in the real world) in Japan is simple: they write what they know. That is not a bad thing and I would not expect them to deviate from that. There's also the problem with accidentally offending people, which at the current moment is taken deathly seriously in the West. Just depicting groups of people, or not depicting them, or depicting them badly or too goodly are surefire ways to spark an outrage mob on Twitter and in the gaming press. The Goldilocks sensibilities people have nowadays are absurd, so there is tremendous incentive for any developer to stick to what they know rather than to risk offending people by not depicting them in the perfect light they want.
Good point about sticking to what they know. Even if they did research they'd be bound to make a mistake here or there and the consequences of that might not make it worth pursuing
personally, i’d love to see the p1/2 format come back in the form of a spin-off, where you have all the protagonists and wild cards in a party having to go through a mainline smt scale pantheon of enemies (haha maybe make the main baddie nyarlethotep that would be crazy aha)
Adachi amogus can't hurt you, he isn't real
Fither:
If people wanted more persona like 1 and 2, wouldn't checking out mainline smt be a better idea?
Not necessarily, P1 and P2 aren't really that similar to mainline SMT outside of gameplay similarities. In terms of the story and characters, the "Classic Persona" style is pretty much only in P1 and P2
No, because it's SMT, not persona
@@hexenvexen Thank you for the clarification
@@hexenvexen I mean you also have series' like Devil Summoner, specifically the first game and Soul Hackers, which lean close to the style of P1&P2
@@gz4wbz True, but Devil Summoner 1 doesn't have an English version, and those games still aren't quite as character or pychology focused as P1 and P2. The tones are definitely more similar though.
Personally, I would like the P6 protag to not be the saviour of all social links. I would appreciate a couple social links that have a poor ending where all the help that you did didn't really amount to much, but the person is still really appreciative of what you did. Or like they are going through a traumatic experience that is unavoidable and you can only help with their mental health. I would like that a lot.
The Hermit arcana of the FemC route in P3 Portable is basically that.
Isn't Akinari from Persona 3 also like that?
These where what I had in mind. Cause iirc most of P5 confidants had a pretty good endings and I personally don't think that's too realistic, because shit happens and I don't think a single teenager should be able to fix all these problems.
@@kinghibari4380
its almost like fixing social problems is a core part of the story of persona 5.
@@chongwillson972 Which is what makes it bad.
I feel like having a party made up of exclusively adults is A.Dumb and B.Never gonna happen. I could see a Zenkichi party member/members where it’s just an adult or a couple of adults in the party.
I want persona 6 to be dark, dark as in I can't see shit
It’s just a black screen
@@ooofthedegenerate hell yeah
@@ooofthedegenerate Best game ever, take my 60 bucks
Having recently played Persona 2 Innocent Sin on my live streaming channel, I do understand why people would ask for Adult persona games. Thing is ... I prefer the student element. Rumors flying in school halls, kids bucking under the pressure of what their peers say, personas reflecting their inner most secrets and desires, adults being distorted by a similar element. That is a much more reliable narrative to me. I couldn't imagine, for instance, being a mailroom worker in an office trying to use social links to climb the employment hierarchy and get new personas... It could work but I think it's less relatable then being an outcast student trying to fit in
Sounds like an office building
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 yeah, the idea of walking into the boss's office and using Megidoloan gets me through Monday 🤣
I'm really hoping one of the new projects is a Persona 5 spinoff (preferably Persona 5 Arena/Ultimax) mostly about Jose, so we can finally know what his whole deal is.
i also hope its a arena game
I mean since Jose was likely a tease for Persona 6, that's the game where we're more likely to learn what his deal is.
@@JoelBurger Thing is, none of the other Persona games had major connections to the previous ones, so the idea that Jose is gonna be a major character in Persona 6 is unlikely, in my opinion.
P5 milking continues
I think a Persona 5 Strikers Sequel is more likely
I know it would be bad for bringing in new people, but the lack of overarching world building in the Persona series continues to annoy me. The government has known enough about Shadows to set up a task force to fight them a decade ago and multiple private groups have also discovered supernatural stuff and the world hasn't changed even slightly. It's starting to feel like a Saturday morning cartoon where every week the villain gets away and everything goes back to normal.
That said, student at a college with a semi-secret government programme studying shadow phenomena would be my pitch.
Was the government involved in P2? Cause I know P3-5 has minimal government involvement and P1 all happens in 1 school/town The big organizations all seem to come from corporations in Persona land.
i like that. sorta like shinra in ff7 with the lifestream
@@coldfrost3 To a degree. The New World Order was headed by prominent politicians, but with Persona 2 the exact position of the outside world is murky (due to how much the city is warped by rumors).
@@JoelBurger like your right that government has some understanding of the metaverse but the scale is wonky in 3&4 its one cop in a town but in 5 its potentially a government conspiracy but it seems mostly seems like a rnd facility plus shidos connections.
@@coldfrost3
having governments know and try to deal with shadows and such is rather bad idea
one wrong experiment and BOOM!
portal opens up shadows kill nearly everyone and it becomes basically SMT again.
Among Us Adachi is slowly scaring me while I watch this.
“Persona 5 isn’t dark enough”
Haru, who was nearly sold into a political marriage by her estranged father, who neglected her for his massive corporation then had to watch him die on live television right after he made up with her and promised to be better, then leaving her in charge of said corporation that wanted to exploit her with her dealing with several months of depression as well: *k*
Well honestly it there's one thing about persona 6. I wanted to have more connections from all the games that came beforehand.
Come on build the world a little bit. Have a couple older characters returned. this world has to have some kind of fall out consequences from the events from persona 1 through 5.
Seriously. They don’t even mention Philemon anymore.
At this point, that seems to be what Arena is for.
@@PERSONAfan01 Butterfly.
@@PERSONAfan01 isnt he a butterfly
@@MarshallMelloooo yes, but there wasn't any in 5 and the last one we see were in the labyrinth spin off games (which are essentially non-canon fan fiction). And honestly, is that how low the bar is set that is considered acceptable/good enough? This is also for @SPL-316, when was the last time the game actively acknowledge his existence or even said his name for that matter. Like, what are the odds that you could ask a "fan" who is Philemon and they would know who he is? Asking someone that in person, on the spot where they couldn't have the opportunity to look it up.
The thing about an adult cast is that i don’t want a day to do taxes
Or have to deal with bills, and jobs
@@TwistedLullabies but you already do jobs in Persona 5. Also, they could just make the taxes mini games and be able to get through it faster
I would like to see Persona 6 take place 'online/digital'
By that I mean the Dark Hour/TV world/whatever will be a digital world with a lot of the messages is aimed towards being your true self online and all that jazz. The neat thing could be that it may allow for a bigger cast outside of the school as the gang that gets together to fight the problem, may not actually be together, at least not at first, and meet online.
Could also allow for easy cameos from old Tech characters like Futaba or the Teacher from Persona 3~
Isn’t that just Digimon Cyber Sleuth?
Soul Hackers.
Cheers on the sub milestone fith! I'm more like "Persona 5 Arena when" lul.
Imagine all announcements are just more figurines of Rise and Kasumi.
What I've noticed about a lot of these "wishes" is that a lot of them would drastically change what Persona is as a series, especially if more than one of these changes came to pass. Which is interesting because a lot of it comes from supposed "Persona Fans", and yet a lot of these fans ask for so much (some of which is fundamental to the series) to be changed. You said that a lot of it seems less people wanting something because it is a good idea, and more because it is different. I would say that a lot of it is people who ultimately wanted something else and Persona seemed like the closest popular thing.
Persona 5 stood out because of that bold-noir visual style that pertained all throughout its promotional material, and the game itself
y'know, the red and the swirls and the funky lettering
I'd love to see a game set in the past w/ a sorta VHS look to it
Persona 4 has that TV, VHS element so you might enjoy that if you haven't played it yet
Extremely Excited for Persona 6. Despite SMT being higher in my head, Persona is such a comfort.
I really am interested to see what theyre gonna bring to the table :)
PS!!!! Congrats on 60k :)
After getting into smt im also pretty excited for SMT 5 definitely gonna get it after dusting off my messed up switch
@@littlea420 so valid. Smt v is my most hyped game of the decade so far
@@bunnybarbarian same im pretty hyped too myself pretty excited seeing the new mc
I’m glad there’s someone who likes one series better and doesn’t trash the other and appreciates both for what they are and not arguing we need more people like that
@@user-nn5dh3cs9s yeah for real im glad there some people to relate too and not see all the negative of the smt and persona community
I found Shiho jumping off of the roof at the beginning of P5 Incredibly dark
@Kobemakesbeats
those people wanted persona 5 be nothing but that.
There was never talk about an International road trip game, just a Japanese road trip game. That idea was canned in the aftermath of the Japanese tsunami and Fukushima disaster, which is why one of 5's big themes is corruption in schools, medicine, journalism, and politics. Strikers is really what they where planning on 5 being, which ended up working better imo.
lol personally i kinda don’t want P6 to have the green/sickness theme i’ve heard people talk about bc i’ve heard it SO MUCH.
make P6 literally any other color atlus i’m begging
I am so sick of hearing that games need to be dark or have adults to be good. Also how the hell was Persona 3-5 not dark? The only thing I can think of is the assumption that anime art with teen characters = not dark inherently. C.S. Lewis has a good quote for critics who treat "adult" as a term of approval
Persona 4 + 5 is not dark at all it has dark themes but is not presented as dark
4 has a serial killer on the loose, and 5 is about apathy being death without the meme. Presentation makes it more easy to sit through dark material but that doesn't make the subject matter any less dark
Tell me about it, nothing but edgy nerds screaming for a "dArK" game
I wouldn’t really call 90% of P4 and P5 dark. Their tones are just so upbeat and optimistic, and the darker elements don’t really play too major a role in the overall game. They’re still mature in their storytelling, but, aside from a very Kamoshida shaped exception, the only really dark one was P3, with its themes’ heavy emphasis on death and grief.
@@postapocalypse0763 None of those make it dark, otherwise people would be calling Jojo's Bizarre Adventure dark.
I would like to have it set in the northern regions of Japan with an emphasis on Norse mythology.
Either that, or an emphasis on cryptids, and other modern paranormal themes like UFOs and the various Alien races which supposedly interact with humanity (Reptilians, Greys, etc.)
The dimension they enter would be "The Goblin Universe" an overarching theory that exists to explain all paranormal phenomena, basically saying the force behind all the phenomena appears different depending on the expectations of the viewer (personas)
The adult cast stuff is annoying, because it fundamentally doesn't understand why 3-4-5 are set in high school in the first place. High school is a time where characters are old enough to begin thinking about who they want to become (making for easy character arcs), but young enough to where they are forced to be in close proximity to other people (making for easy character interaction). You put them in college or the work force and basically that entire narrative structure collapses.
I mean persona 2 eternal punishment has an adult cast and it’s known for having the best story in persona
@@RaspyCh I guess that depends on who you ask. But persona didn't become the juggernaut it is today until p3 pit it on the path. Persona 2 isn't really like 3-4-5. And that aspect of forming bonds with other characters would be difficult to implement.
Yea wat the other guy said persona 2 handled the adult cast perfectly, u just have this obsession with high school for no reason, atlus can find a way
@@RaspyCh Watch the video to see why the EP comparison doesn't work when talking about modern Persona. And I don't know who you've been listening to, but people generally hype up IS's story more than EP.
@@Gael-x999 they could also stick with what has clearly worked lol. I think they obsession starts and end with you
Really agree with your assertion that dark =/= good. I remember when I was a teenager, Nintendo got a lot of shit for making colourful "kids'" games, regardless of how fun or technically excellent they were.
If Adachi amongus isn’t in Persona 6 I ain’t buying it
I kinda hope for maybe a theme based on fairy tales, sorta how P5 had a picaresque theme. And though it may sound whimsical and stuff, it can actually go with the more traditional route of Grimm's fairy tells. Plus, it could maybe give us a new female MC with Alice as her primary persona.
This whole video can be summed up by “this is a list of what tilts me about the persona fandom” not really about persona 6
A wierdly specific thing I've been thinking about for a bit: I think it'd be cool if the main characters had the ability to summon their personas in the real world again. I don't even know why I want this, I doubt it would even really add anything to the game.
@creeperwithstyle
i think its kinda hinted at the persona 5 cast can do that or something close to it.
@@chongwillson972It....is? Huh, where? I'm not being sarcastic here or anything, I'm geniunely curious, to clarify. I can't say I recall ANY instances, at least in base vanilla P5 anyhow, where the cast is implied, implicitly or otherwise, to be able to summon their Persona's outside the Metaverse. Granged, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a reference to such in the later parts of Royal or perhaps Q2 or Strikers, but if so I'm not aware of it.
I wouldn't really be overly surprised, though, granted. As much as people like to fap vigorously to P3 in that regard (and just in general, as a whole, really), summoning a Persona in the real world seems to require nothing more then either a catalyst like an Evoker, or special training/factors. Presumably ANY of the cast's could do so if they really wanted to.
@@papapalps2415
well the implication is in persona 5 royal in the true ending.
@@chongwillson972 you mean the symbolic moment when his reflection has a mask on while he is wearing glasses, right?
Persona 6 will take place on the Schwarzwelt, trust me bro.
Persona: Strange Journey
@@NotThatUser So, it's just SMT if?
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Theming is such an important part of Persona that I think, above all these other things, you first need to figure out what theme Persona 6 would take on... and that's a really difficult question. What can you explore about society that hasn't already been covered? Persona 3 covered the meaning of life, Persona 4 covered the search for truth and personal identity, and Persona 5 covered a sense of justice and revolution. What themes can Persona 6 explore that aren't already covered by its predecessors? Once you decide on a theme, that's when you can start piecing together cast and character choices.
Maybe Persona 6 could explore the passage of time? Why must time pass? Why must we wait? What happens if you act too early? What if you miss your chance? How do you know when the time is right? Perhaps people are lost in thought, stuck in their normal routines convinced that they're waiting for their chance to break free but it'll never come... I think that might step on the toes of Persona 5's Mementos and Persona 3's Fallen, but it's just an idea. Trying to come up with an entirely original theme for a Persona game is really tough and gives you a whole new layer of respect for the writers at Atlus for being able to do so well with each game.
If they ever did an adult cast, I'd imagine it would be set at Uni. Similar enough to high school that they could reuse a lot of the calendar stuff, but would give them the freedom to throw in more 'adult' stuff where they wanted.
I thought that P4 is actually dark, yes it is very slice of life and it has more anime elements. But keep in mind that the game is about child abduction and murder.
First off Congratulations on 60k Subs! Second, ADACHI AMONG US IMPSOSTER SUS 2020 $14.95 PIÑATA? But really, I think the big 25th Anniversary reveal is either gonna be a Remake, PS1 Era Collection or a Persona 6 "Currently In Development" trailer.
Persona 5 is a dark game, but it's not a serious game. By comparison Persona 4 is more consistently lighthearted, but it takes its tone more seriously when dark things come up and it's more consistent overall. It's an interesting comparison point.
I don't want persona to be serious
Until the end of the game
One relatively small thing that I think would be cool is if you could talk to your teammates during dungeons and/or during daily life more than just mandatory sequences. Like in P5 there was pretty much no optional dialogue between party members at all (aside from the little conversations that pop up in Mementos sometimes). Part of what made the P2 cast so good (imo) is the fact that you can talk to them outside of scripted sequences and get their thoughts on whatever's going on/whatever's on their mind at the moment, see them having conversations with the other party members, etc. It made them feel more connected to the world around them (+ having them goof off with each other or comfort each other after someone goes through something big is just super endearing lol).
Really all I want is for P6 to have the party members evolve their Personas as a result of the main plot like in P3 and for them to break up the constantly reused tropes and jokes that 3-5 loved spamming. Beach scene, hotsprings shenanigans, etc.
We have a brand new director who's already shown that he's good since Royal's additions were all good.
@MeevManX4
i hoping this isnt another get rid of social links request
@@chongwillson972 It absolutely isn't, I just think it's better if the characters have their Personas evolve in the main story itself.
I'd really like to see a Persona game that uses Fair Folk mythology for its theming and aesthetic. Pretty much the entire thing is ready-made for a Persona game. Glamorie, illusions and changelings? Boom, easy identity theme. The Fair Folk are capricious, arbitrary and like cutting deals? Demon negotiations. The Fairy Realm is now your Metaverse/TV World/Dark Hour equivalent. Then sit Igor down in a hedge maze garden themed Velvet Room. And a lot of Japanese mythology also already parallels quite a bit of this stuff. (Shinto gods and youkai may as well be Celtic fairies for all that it matters.)
I swear I can make a drinking game with how many different people people on the different groups I am in keep repeating female option, gay option, and no highschool setting over and over again
And I get tired of hearing them
I don't know what I want with P6
@@Kamisuitendo I'll just take a good game.
@@thecrimsonduke6765 yeah im praying its a really good best in series I dont even care what it is just be really really good with story and JUST GOOOOD
don't adults in japan have limited free time tho? p2ep was different since may was supposed to investigate the joker stuff
One thing that would be good concept for persona 6 is a dream world. That could be a good way to explored the mind and good surreal imagery. Admit that sound too similar to psychonauts.
A part of me also think of a shadow world mixed with the internet/digital stuff(like the show code lyoko) I mean social media does show people’s shadow and stuff.
Also I would to have a more college setting like in persona 2 eternal punishment, But given persona likes to market to teens, so we mostly not going to get it.
In the end, any idea can be good or bad. What matters is the execution.
Persona set in 1980s Japan with a city pop soundtrack
With the opening music by Tatsuro Yamashita
That'd be sweet!
The only way I see Persona to be like the old games for an entry is if it is a spinoff and I'm not even sure if there is energy to have a full scale Persona story in that format. Even with the old formula, it would still have social aspects akin to Tokyo Mirage Sessions with maybe just having more focus on your party or something.
And when it comes to people wanting adults to be played in a mainline Persona game. I just find it weird that people glorify college as this grand thing for a Persona game. Which is just high school but you have to actually take it seriously and stricter lifestyle.
For the international setting : Atlus could make a persona game with expantions that happens at the same time as the main game.
Just look GTA4 episodes of liberty city execution as an example .
Like oh the main cast meets another persona users team a couple of times and then in the expantion we see their perspective
I think adult cast could work with the post-2 formula if they either made it a college setting, or if it went full balls to the wall "Neo Tokyo" futuristic and was some kind of weird dystopia where school activities are lifelong and there are statues venerating Saint Patron Adachi.
I think it will also work if the cast was a group of teachers in a high school
@@louaidz1929 Never thought of that. Yeah. Could totally see it esp student teachers.
Great Persona Onizuka.
I want a the party members of p6 to not be so relent on the mc. like the other characters persona evolve without requring the mc to trigger it, like P3
Yes in story character development that isn’t tied to social links
I want persona 6 to have orange as it’s color than green. Anything else I’m fine with tbh
Green would be cool, but personally I’m hoping we get white!
Yo here's a crazy idea. How about instead of begging a foreign country to make a game that is historically based in Japan based in America, how about some American company try to make a social sim/plat former about high schoolers?
I want a romancable female villain. Like she's less expected as she's a waifu and she will sell billions of figures as she's so tragically evil as she's not actually evil so it's ok.
Why can't Western fans realize that college students and adults in Japan have limited free time compared to high school students? P2 EP was an exception because Maya was supposed to investigate the stuff behind Joker
Honestly, I just want a Persona game with a Velvet Room attendant as the final boss (it could be an reference to Pucci perhaps).
Don’t even know how that would work, but it sounds kinda cool to me (if it was executed in a subtle way, maybe).
@Perfect Cyan
funny you say that jojo part 6 has a few ideas and story beats from persona 2 which came before it
Persona5 was my first PERSONA game, and I agree; if they did away with the confidants and the 'slice of life' variation, I'd be super disappointed. I love feeling like I have 2 games in one. I can't wait for the new game! I hope there's a new game on the way in December!
i think if there’s going to be a p1/2 style game it’ll be more of a spinoff or side story to persona 6 instead of the actual thing
Some time ago a friend and I thought about a Persona game fanfic as some kinda Persona 6 but for us and I'm so glad no of the reasons you talked about crossed our minds xd
A lot of these desired themes are very interesting to think about.
*When I hear someone say "Make Persona 6 Dark", I would think they would mean the general aesthetic of the game. Persona 1-3 is what comes to mind, but mostly 3, because of its presentation of the themes and the eerieness of the Dark Hour concept in contrast to the TV World and the Metaverse.
*"Have Persona 6 Star Adults" could definitely be interesting! As you said, high school is an extremely common setting in Japanese media. This is definately because high school life is "more fun" as you said, but the contrast to that is that many Japanese adults have a nostalgic feeling towards high school days. The adult life of Japan can be really draining, which I think could tie into the psychological themes of the next game if they wanted to go in that direction.
*"Have Persona 6 take place outside of Japan" Interesting, but I think it is unlikely. Sure, Persona 5 was supposed to have an international setting, but that didn't happen for a reason. "Write what you know" is a phrase that I think Atlus exemplifies, and it may just be easier to write a story with a setting they're familiar with, both by living in Japan and writing stories that take place within it.
*"Make Persona 6 like 1 & 2" Mechanics-wise...yeah, not happening. I would be behind a writing style more akin to 1 and 2, but there is absolutely no way we're losing the social elements and calendar system. I wouldn't want these elements to leave, and I think its fair to say the general playerbase and Atlus themselves wouldn't want that either.
I'd like (at least as an option) a female protagonist, as p3p shows Atlus can make that significantly alter gameplay enough to be interesting. I am a little biased though, as a woman, lol.
I would like more Persona variety, not in the collecting aspect but your friends' Personas could be more diverse, like how Makoto's is a rideable bike. Maybe a Persona that's wearable like the stand White Album, or one that's a Sword that the wielder summons.
One thing I want in P6 is a team of Persona users that are opposed to your's, and actually do things
Wasn’t Strega in p3 basically that?
@@deadlock9174 That's why the "actually do things" part at the end exists. Strega were pretty much useless in that game: outside of the very-very end with the cult of Nyx, the stuff they did never really mattered to SEES or in the grand scheme of things. Sure, they shown up a few times to interfere with the heroes, but it wasn't some overarching plan to make them submit, just petty acts of violence when the opportunity presented itself. And, with the exception of Strega's introduction, we never saw what they *actually do* when they aren't busy sitting on their asses all day and talking. Compare that to Akechi, who actively opposed Thieves both inside and outside of Metaverse and had his own agenda (in the sense that Shido's plan was in place long before PT ever existed). Now imagine that, but with a whole group of Persona-Users with whom main characters have frequent interactions and confrontations.
@@leatherfasesin7717 Yes
Absolutely. Opposing persona users should be the main villains everyday over some random god that pops up near the end.
@@kumorizora2507
makes sense that it is a god or god-like person
because the velvet room dos nott really much care for small issues...
I actually really like Persona 4 and persona being lighthearted because the lighthearted scenes only make the dark scenes to be even darker in comparison, causing this shock to the player. A good example of this is AI the Somnium Files, which is incredibly funny and lighthearted, but has very gruesome murders and deaths.
If you check Atlus store, you see an image of every mainline persona game (P5 P5R P4 P4G) (no arena dancing etc) and 2 secret panels. Same for the image of protagonists, p123 3femce 45 and a secret panel. Pretty big confirmation on p6 imo.
I want them to bring back Philemon, sprinkle some persona lore into it ^^
“We want adults”
Zenkichi: *am i a joke to you*
The thing I always see is people want the next main color for Peraona to be green
Well in regards to adults not being as interesting, going back to eternal punishment AND the p1 cast, there's lots of different view points going into the ideas on how to deal with the issues presented to them, from former persona users, to a cop and a former detective, journalist and ulala (I won't lie she has so much stuff she's done for jobs I forget) and it brings to mind a game where the persona team is well .a group of adults but the team themselves while they but heads, have more....knowledge and insight on what to do when the threat comes forward, but the sheer escalating scales are forcing them to ditch work, and puts an actual strain on their relationships with their loved ones, kinda making them sorta think there's cheating or other things going on. And when you can't hang out with a party member or social link it's cause they have their job to worry about and it kinda portrays you and the links who are ALWAYS available as adults who, while trying, can't seem to hold a job or circumstances came around that made it that they had more free time than they can use and so, just wander around trying to find a NEW purpose after what they had was taken away. I know it's a jumbled mess as I type this but it's more a setting/basic idea than a fully fleshed one, but it could be a way to kinda mix the adult characters from persona 2 to things..I guess more modern but letting them stay more..able to be characterized? And I hope the protag ends up with more personality than small tid bits here or there, or at least another way to see what they're thinking if we weren't in control