This bike doesn’t make it into enough tests or review. I believe this is the best bang for buck. Especially now that the core 5 is the price you paid for this core 4. Thanks for the review. Buying a core 5 this week
@@benhaynes5881 di2 s cool. Shifts great super weird feeling. Definitely recommend. Perfectly fine on techncal climbs. Though that may be subjective because a lot of that is based on rider skill. I can already go up technical climbs on a non e bike. So the e bike makes it a joke lol
I have a decoy myself I found a big thing that helped with cable rattle was to put a little slip solution on the cable grommets to get them to go inside the frame further then put a small zip the on the grommet to keep it from pulling out of the frame.
Great idea. I didn't think about lubricating the grommets, they are hard to get to push into the frame. I did, however, do the same thing as you and zip tied them to the cables. Thanks for the idea!
Helpful tips here! I haven't noticed any cable rattling on my bike yet, but will keep an ear out for it. I ordered a new coil that was actually 2 sizes stiffer than what the Large came with. Also don't like the matchmaker for the dropper post lever where it attaches to the brake clamp. I wonder if there's a way to change it out?
Hi, does your EP801 rattle at all in this bike? It usually makes noises when not pedaling and descending over rough terrain. I'm looking to buy the same bike, but I hate the rattle noises some motors make. Thanks.
I think it does. Now that I have all the other rattles silenced I do notice a rattle that is only there when not peddling and going over rough terrain. I don’t notice it with the EP8 on my Canyon just the 801 on the YT, but I prefer the power delivery of the 801.
Great question and I do plan to do a video on this when I can decide myself. I will say, however, that in this area, with our mountains, if you want to do longer rides (3hrs+) the 900 Whr battery is a big plus on the Canyon.
Dude you didn't mention the headset that limits the steering? I have 2 friends with that bike and both are not fans of the steering limiter, though we do like riding tighter trails.
I just checked and it’s the same as my Canyon so probably why I didn’t notice. That and I’d probably go over the bars if I tried turning as sharp as you… thanks for checking out the video.
Hey guys, yes the Knock block is shitty. Made it feel like a DH bike w a dual crown fork.. I have an XL (normally ride a L) and I removed the headset, good bye. I replaced it with a works components 1 deg angle set.. I made it 1 degree slacker then put the bike in the high position for more clearance and a perfect 64 deg HA.. Plenty of clearance and no more limitations... I think it would work on a Large as well..
Yes, go to www.yt-industries.com/support/suspension-setup/ And plug in the bike model info and your riding weight (including gear) and it will give you the spring rate you need. Downside of spring is you usually need to buy the size that fits you, up side is once it’s set, it will never change (ie. loose air)
I’m 5-9, but…. I have an ape index of 3” and long arms actually mean a lower RAD measurement (less reach sort of). All very confusing and sometimes contradictory advice out there but bottom line for me is that I’m happy with the size I have in both bikes. Medium Canyon and Large YT. The two bikes sizes are equivalent in my opinion.
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee thanks for the info, I’m 5-8 and thinking of getting the Canyon in size medium, hope that will feel right for me, they recommend a small
Hey, you know it - they make the best sandwich of any place I know! Hey, have you ridden Martis Peak area? Awesome trails which will probably only get better with Donkey Town closing down for forest maintenance for 3 years.
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee No but I will try it out thanks man. I just had a knee replacement a few months ago and am feeling great. Just got my Northstar pass so super excited.🤘🔥
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee Thanks, another question. since I'm undecided between the M and L size. measurement of the horse person I have 80 cm and arms 75 cm. What do you recommend based on your size? thank you
The distance from fingertip to fingertip when my arms are spread wide is 183 cm which means I have longer arms than normal. This usually means that I would need a smaller bike than my height dictates. However, I am very happy with the Large YT. For comparison, the Large YT is almost the exact same size as the Medium Canyon (or even slightly smaller in terms of reach). YT is very good about answering questions so I would suggest calling them, but I would not get hung up on the label they put on the sizes and instead go with their recommendation (by calling or that listed on their site). I think it is accurate.
I have not done much research on the Trek Rail but have always liked their bikes. They have a great dealer network and I think bought out many of the local shops so that is an advantage because these bikes do demand a lot of mechanical attention. Otherwise the specs look similar though I’ve not done a full side by side. For me, the smaller battery would be a big disadvantage since I live and ride in the mountains and the 720 is about as low as I’d want to go with 900 being ideal for my longer rides. Other area’s or riders have no problem with a smaller battery. I’d say, if your OK with battery size, then choose the bike that will gets you the most excited and if you have a Trek Dealer/shop near you that you know will support you and you prefer to have them do the work, then go with Trek. I do most of my own work and have good shops that work on both my YT and Canyon so I’m OK with these bikes.
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it! My budget is $3500 to $4000, so I'd have to get the Core 1 or Core 2 if I were to get a YT Decoy. That's why I'm leaning toward the Trek Rail 7 since I can get it for $3300 new and I feel like that's a steal.
On the E Mountain Bike if your motor doesn’t have zero Kayden support that’s a very big issue. I would never ever by the Shimano mobile. Why the Yamaha motor and I guarantee you’ll never wanna go back to the Shimano ever again
Well I have a Yamaha. The gentleman that made the video has already stated he was not fond of the low engaging hub. Even with an onyx hub, which has instantaneous engagement, the best you can hope for is 52 poe with the Yamaha. With the Shimano motor and a Onyx Hub you will have true instantaneous engagement. I've had my Yamaha motor Replaced in less than 1 year, 2 buddy's with Brose motors had their motors replaced, none of my buds with shimano have needed to warranty their motors. As far as I know, Brose and shimano are the only full power motors currently produced that still offer instantaneous engagement. I am not a fan of the motors that have less than instantaneous engagement.
I think it's luck of the draw, like getting anything off the shelf, there are some goods and some bads. We've got 16 Yamahas in our group and not one motor replacement in the group, we have multiple😅 specialized group and they've all had nothing but Motor problems. I think it's all luck.
Hey bro great video question how tall are you I’m right in the middle of medium and large at 5’8” I have a large jeffsy now but I am thinking of going medium in a decoy Mx thanks
I’m 5-9 but have a short Torso and long arms (ape index of 3”). This would put me on a smaller bike normally. So my guess is if your arms are more in proportion with your body then maybe either would work. Look up what RAD measurement is and check yours to compare. I give the RAD of the large YT in this video. Good luck and thanks for the question and checking out the channel!
Here my experience after having multiple YT bikes: I will never buy a YT again. The reason is clearly the customer care. You will be left alone, if something is going wrong.
Valuable resource for anyone considering purchasing the bike or exploring eMTB trails 👍 Thanx Millions! Amazing ❤
Wonderful feedback, thank you. You make doing these worthwhile!
This bike doesn’t make it into enough tests or review. I believe this is the best bang for buck. Especially now that the core 5 is the price you paid for this core 4. Thanks for the review. Buying a core 5 this week
Awesome, enjoy!
DukeFerg, I’m thinking about the Core 5 too. How do you like it for technical climbs? What about the Di2 shifting?
@@benhaynes5881 di2 s cool. Shifts great super weird feeling. Definitely recommend. Perfectly fine on techncal climbs. Though that may be subjective because a lot of that is based on rider skill. I can already go up technical climbs on a non e bike. So the e bike makes it a joke lol
I have a decoy myself I found a big thing that helped with cable rattle was to put a little slip solution on the cable grommets to get them to go inside the frame further then put a small zip the on the grommet to keep it from pulling out of the frame.
Great idea. I didn't think about lubricating the grommets, they are hard to get to push into the frame. I did, however, do the same thing as you and zip tied them to the cables. Thanks for the idea!
It baffles me why people always complaining about cable noise
Good vids man, I will try some of you rattling fixes.. I'm loving mine got it in Dec and have been going hard on it..
Awesome, I’m looking forward to spending lots of time on this bike this summer.
Thanks Ryan!
Helpful tips here! I haven't noticed any cable rattling on my bike yet, but will keep an ear out for it. I ordered a new coil that was actually 2 sizes stiffer than what the Large came with. Also don't like the matchmaker for the dropper post lever where it attaches to the brake clamp. I wonder if there's a way to change it out?
Hi, does your EP801 rattle at all in this bike? It usually makes noises when not pedaling and descending over rough terrain. I'm looking to buy the same bike, but I hate the rattle noises some motors make. Thanks.
I think it does. Now that I have all the other rattles silenced I do notice a rattle that is only there when not peddling and going over rough terrain. I don’t notice it with the EP8 on my Canyon just the 801 on the YT, but I prefer the power delivery of the 801.
Great video, thank you
Do you prefer this on the Caynon?
Both are great and have different advantages. I’ll post something on that soon.
I'm looking at the same two bikes you have and live in the same area. If you had to pick one, which would it be, YT Decoy or Canyon Spectral On?
Great question and I do plan to do a video on this when I can decide myself. I will say, however, that in this area, with our mountains, if you want to do longer rides (3hrs+) the 900 Whr battery is a big plus on the Canyon.
Dude you didn't mention the headset that limits the steering? I have 2 friends with that bike and both are not fans of the steering limiter, though we do like riding tighter trails.
Oh, interesting. Haven’t noticed that yet. Now I’ll pay attention. Thanks, I think…
I just checked and it’s the same as my Canyon so probably why I didn’t notice. That and I’d probably go over the bars if I tried turning as sharp as you… thanks for checking out the video.
The purpose is to prevent the fork from hitting the bike and also pulling our the cables.
Hey guys, yes the Knock block is shitty. Made it feel like a DH bike w a dual crown fork.. I have an XL (normally ride a L) and I removed the headset, good bye. I replaced it with a works components 1 deg angle set.. I made it 1 degree slacker then put the bike in the high position for more clearance and a perfect 64 deg HA.. Plenty of clearance and no more limitations... I think it would work on a Large as well..
Wow, I like the place where you live man! It is beautiful out there!
Thanks, and 100’s of miles of Mtb trails off the doorstep. Wasn’t really something I knew about when we moved here so can’t believe our luck!
So if I have 88kg then I need to buy new spring as well?
Yes, go to www.yt-industries.com/support/suspension-setup/ And plug in the bike model info and your riding weight (including gear) and it will give you the spring rate you need. Downside of spring is you usually need to buy the size that fits you, up side is once it’s set, it will never change (ie. loose air)
How tall are you ? Considering the YT and the Canyon but sizing is confusing, Thanks ! 🤠
I’m 5-9, but…. I have an ape index of 3” and long arms actually mean a lower RAD measurement (less reach sort of). All very confusing and sometimes contradictory advice out there but bottom line for me is that I’m happy with the size I have in both bikes. Medium Canyon and Large YT. The two bikes sizes are equivalent in my opinion.
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee thanks for the info, I’m 5-8 and thinking of getting the Canyon in size medium, hope that will feel right for me, they recommend a small
Looks sick man. Ride it to Full Belly Deli for lunch
Hey, you know it - they make the best sandwich of any place I know! Hey, have you ridden Martis Peak area? Awesome trails which will probably only get better with Donkey Town closing down for forest maintenance for 3 years.
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee No but I will try it out thanks man. I just had a knee replacement a few months ago and am feeling great. Just got my Northstar pass so super excited.🤘🔥
Hi, can I ask you how tall you are since you chose size L? I'm also considering buying and I'm 175 cm tall
I am 176 cm tall with long legs and arms.
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee Thanks, another question. since I'm undecided between the M and L size. measurement of the horse person I have 80 cm and arms 75 cm. What do you recommend based on your size? thank you
The distance from fingertip to fingertip when my arms are spread wide is 183 cm which means I have longer arms than normal. This usually means that I would need a smaller bike than my height dictates. However, I am very happy with the Large YT. For comparison, the Large YT is almost the exact same size as the Medium Canyon (or even slightly smaller in terms of reach). YT is very good about answering questions so I would suggest calling them, but I would not get hung up on the label they put on the sizes and instead go with their recommendation (by calling or that listed on their site). I think it is accurate.
Trying to choose between a YT Decoy and a Trek Rail 7. Any advice?
I have not done much research on the Trek Rail but have always liked their bikes. They have a great dealer network and I think bought out many of the local shops so that is an advantage because these bikes do demand a lot of mechanical attention. Otherwise the specs look similar though I’ve not done a full side by side. For me, the smaller battery would be a big disadvantage since I live and ride in the mountains and the 720 is about as low as I’d want to go with 900 being ideal for my longer rides. Other area’s or riders have no problem with a smaller battery. I’d say, if your OK with battery size, then choose the bike that will gets you the most excited and if you have a Trek Dealer/shop near you that you know will support you and you prefer to have them do the work, then go with Trek. I do most of my own work and have good shops that work on both my YT and Canyon so I’m OK with these bikes.
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it! My budget is $3500 to $4000, so I'd have to get the Core 1 or Core 2 if I were to get a YT Decoy. That's why I'm leaning toward the Trek Rail 7 since I can get it for $3300 new and I feel like that's a steal.
That’s a great price. You love the bike I’m sure!
There are rumors about a new Decoy model coming up
Interesting. I am very happy with the current one. The EP801 motor is a great improvement over the EP8 for climbing. I’ll show this in my next video.
Really? When are they saying it'll drop?
@@thorfinancial4485 The came out with the Decoy SN , lighter not as much power
On the E Mountain Bike if your motor doesn’t have zero Kayden support that’s a very big issue. I would never ever by the Shimano mobile. Why the Yamaha motor and I guarantee you’ll never wanna go back to the Shimano ever again
Well I have a Yamaha. The gentleman that made the video has already stated he was not fond of the low engaging hub.
Even with an onyx hub, which has instantaneous engagement, the best you can hope for is 52 poe with the Yamaha.
With the Shimano motor and a Onyx Hub you will have true instantaneous engagement.
I've had my Yamaha motor Replaced in less than 1 year, 2 buddy's with Brose motors had their motors replaced, none of my buds with shimano have needed to warranty their motors.
As far as I know, Brose and shimano are the only full power motors currently produced that still offer instantaneous engagement.
I am not a fan of the motors that have less than instantaneous engagement.
I think it's luck of the draw, like getting anything off the shelf, there are some goods and some bads. We've got 16 Yamahas in our group and not one motor replacement in the group, we have multiple😅 specialized group and they've all had nothing but Motor problems. I think it's all luck.
I’m sure you will be fine with that. You’re kinda in the middle and the large will probably be more stable plus you can get the 900 Whr battery in it.
Hey bro great video question how tall are you I’m right in the middle of medium and large at 5’8” I have a large jeffsy now but I am thinking of going medium in a decoy Mx thanks
I’m 5-9 but have a short Torso and long arms (ape index of 3”). This would put me on a smaller bike normally. So my guess is if your arms are more in proportion with your body then maybe either would work. Look up what RAD measurement is and check yours to compare. I give the RAD of the large YT in this video. Good luck and thanks for the question and checking out the channel!
@@roadlesstraveledtruckee much appreciated thank you 👍
Can you make a video on spring replacement.
Sure. Might be a few days.
Here my experience after having multiple YT bikes: I will never buy a YT again. The reason is clearly the customer care. You will be left alone, if something is going wrong.
Huh? Nothing but positive experience with there cs