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just her negative sp just make her kinda annoying, either u use team that positive sp, or use sunday lc (if that work), or just use sparkle or sunday instead but ur argument about 100% adv is totally true
Bronya can do this for Robin and they don't loop though they make excellent teammates. Though you can just do the Oak siblings and Bronya for full shenanigans.
@@Sakamoto_1535E3 I mean it's technically a buff in her viability because now she has additional uses. She has 100% action advance on her skill and can do this with just 1 skill point on ANY ally. Sunday is held back by not being able to action advance a harmony unit but Bronya comes in extremely clutch here because she can AA him and he can AA the carry and they synergize quite well especially with how strong Sunday's buffs are for summoners
You're the only CC I've seen mention that Sunday should use his ult on his turn, everyone else just does it whenever. I guess if you can get the extra energy it helps to get extra SP, but sometimes it's just a waste of uptime.
@@UnusualDeathCause When Sunday's ULT stacks run out and you do another skill into ULT, that skill cast won't recover SP. So now you can see why it is important to always use his ULT before his skill. It will maintain the 3-turn ULT rotation but will make the SP recovery have 100% uptime.
that's prob. cz some other CC use him with the usual Eagle DDD, thus ult-ing outside his turn, if you run Sacerdos with his LC then you definitely want to ult on his turn.
My favourite new team has become Jingliu, Sunday, Bronya and Luocha. With Atk boots Jingliu and an E2 Bronya my Jingliu can get syzygy quickly and can stack both of Bronya's and Sunday's buffs in one turn with both of their lightcones and ultimates activated to do a quintillion damage totally unpowercrept damage. Sp isn't an issue as well.
ooh thanks for the Sunday usage tips. I'll have to remember to reserve ult for his turn. Especially since i have the LC, i shouldn't have to worry about getting energy from hits.
Got to say lisara, this strategy is one of the esiest and reliable 0 cycles i am doing right now, and because i have E1 on everybody and bronya is E3, i dont need anything else, just the units and 150+ speed is enough for the girls, thx a lot
If Sunday could pull up Bronya...With both having Sunday's LC, and DDD...Sunday and Bronya would infinitely pull each other up to infinite reseting everything back to 0 endlessly, cheesing the whole game. And sparkle can be a SP generator for the first wave.
I actually do something very similar a minus 1 speed sunday with a fast sparkle honestly it's pretty comfy got 3 cycles on the first half! I am by no means a min maxxer but the fact that I got to use sparkle makes me very happy!
When would it be ideal to use Bronya's skill on the carry instead of Sunday in this setup? (assuming it's E6 Bronya and the skillpoint economy allows it) Thank you for the showcase btw
The issue with using Bronya's skill on JY is that it doesn't really push LL. Don't think there is a scenario where it is preferrable. Not to mention, that's 1 less turn for Sunday which can affect his rotation.
Till this day i'm still regretting not pulling Jade LC for my Jing Yuan. Really missing out on some of the techs that i could do with it. Will be waiting for the Sunday guide! Still abit confused with the speed tuning for the normal Sunday x Robin comp lol
Great run as always. Can i ask for your opinion? Should i get Sunday's LC? Or is my S1 bronya LC already good enough? Is his LC that crazy good? I'm saving for The Herta and Jade's LC atm.
May I ask why you E on Sunday and not on the carry? Cuz i imagine Bronya push the carry then Sunday push the carry again should be better no? Sorry in advance, I'm still oblivious to HSR E-Sport tactics.
Carry still gets 2 turns per rotation either way. But with Bronya e sunday, you get an extra Sunday action, which is relevant if you have his sig and so he becomes sp positive.
@@bunny7.10 I was answering your question regarding Bronya LC on him. Considering summons takes into account the stats of their summoner, Sunday's LC buffs the summon.
Depends on what you're aiming. Are you trying to 0-cycle? Bronya's LC is good at giving high energy to Robin but of course, you'll start lacking damage. To compensate, you need some really good gears or extra eidolons. Also, yes, Jade LC is better in this setup.
@LisaraScarlet Yeah! I don't normally try to 0 cycle but I'd like to out of boredom. I just auto moc, apoc and PF every rotation. Uh for the JY team, I have e0s1 JY, e1s1 Sunday, e0s0 Robin, e2s0 Bronya. I have S5 DDD on Bronya. I also own Jade LC and can replace JY signature with this
would it work if I run a no speed jy with a 165 spd bronya advancing him first forward and then a 161 spd sunday doing the same immdediatly after - and then repeat. My bronya is e6 which is why I dont wanna waste her buffs on sunday.
You still wouldn’t have bronya’s buff on jing yuan, since her buff would expire after the Sunday pull turn and not affect lightning lord. So I believe this setup getting 2 lightning lords and also more energy for jing yuan is still better. You get more damage on Robin though.
@@georgezhang1573 Yep her E6 is really busted with Robin 😆(i would know this as an e6 bronya haver). So she does still work extremely well with other harmony units (or supports in general) as long as they are dealing additional damage based on their own stats.
@@georgezhang1573 oh you are absolutely right about that, how did my dumbass didnt think this far ;-;. could you tell me how it affects robin though (I have no clue)
@@majaschnee6656 for the early robin setup you have robin turn, bronya pull, robin turn, robin ult. Since the robin ult happens after the turn with bronya buff, she doesn’t keep the buff unless you have bronya e6. Damage buffs affect robin’s damage, so she will be doing a lot more damage, especially if she’s on attack orb.
Ive been meaning to ask. How detrimental does not having exactly minus 1 speed get? Say I have a 160 spd sunday, and my bronya is 158 or 157. How big of a difference does it do?
159 to make sure she acts before Svarog and Howling Casket. Minimum is 157.4 if we're just talking about techs. Not sure where you are getting this pseudo 160 but that's not part of the strat.
@@patrickhachem9716 Bronya's speed would fluctuate if you're gonna do that which will not only cause her problems but also Sunday since you're pushing him to awkward action values.
I heard you're not a fan of spd boots on carries, ig thats true, even when Sunday makes easier to build for that, you still found a way of not using it lol
Hi Lisara, will you do a standard banner eidolon guide? I still have the 130(?) pull reward on standard banner and there is now the free give away. I don't know which ones to get >
My recommendation: if you know you won’t immediately benefit from it (like if having the chara/eidolon won’t help you gain more stars in end game content), hold off for now, especially if you’re pulling Fugue, Firefly, Aglaea, or The Herta. Who knows, maybe you’ll pull a standard character that’ll change what your choice is
If you don't have Bronya or Himeko then get the one you are missing. If it's Eidolons it is either Himeko E1 or Bronya Eidolon. As it seems with every single Harmony character getting released Bronya is not going to be discarded ever.
while i might not be able to do zero cycle maybe finally bronya can be used in my account also she E1S3 today during Sunday pulls maybe the game want me to play her
Well since she's pushing Sunday forward and Sunday is tuned to go faster than her it would be a non-issue since at worst you are speed boosting a hyperspeed Sunday :)
Won my 50/50 (my 5th 50/50 win in a row lmao), got the light cone early, debating E1. If only I could finally get that last Eidolon for Welt too my imaginary men team could truly be peak.
Is this viable even if the Bronya is E2? I'm holding off on claiming the Bronya from the selector since my Bronya is E1 and I'm scared of killing off any future chance of using her with Sunday, because I think the tech might prove super valuable when we get into 3.x.
It shouldn't, since she would at worst just buff Sunday's speed and she can always push him back up since he'll be going before her anyway. The only thing to take into consideration would be her talent since the 100% AA can jank up the speed tuning unless it's what Lisara showed. Bronya's E2 is extremely strong, and her eidolons scale really freaking well (Her E4 is unironically more useful now)
Unless your characters are all E6S5, 0 cycle are usually a sustainless team. Even so, its not as simple as simply slapping in 3 harmony and 1 dps u know.
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Bronya : "Sunday, go!"
Sunday : "wha-WHAT?! King, you go!"
Lol this is gold
Robin:"You go! You go! You go as well. Im just gonna stay back and sing"
"There will be some weird decisions here to nerf Jing Yuan's damage for an epic finish" All of the general's supporters wiped tears from their eyes.
Lmaooo. Lisara really cooked us with that one
Until the boss is Banacademic Staff ... I will need to squeeze everything from OUR general for that one.
@@LisaraScarletpause
Jing Yuan: They made me work on Sunday.
Bronya will never be bad, 100% action adv in a turn based game is already enough to age like wine
just her negative sp just make her kinda annoying, either u use team that positive sp, or use sunday lc (if that work), or just use sparkle or sunday instead
but ur argument about 100% adv is totally true
Fine wine even :3 I honestly love how synergistic these action advance characters are with each other.
Cant wait for the sunday guide. Absolutely love the character
And this is the reason why Sunday cant push Harmony units because looping with freaking robin is a real thing.
Bronya Sunday and Sparkle could probably infinitely advance everyone with 0AV
Bronya can do this for Robin and they don't loop though they make excellent teammates. Though you can just do the Oak siblings and Bronya for full shenanigans.
This is why Bronya will never be totally phase out of meta. Hoyo wouldn't make another harmony that can 100% AA another harmony 😂
Yeah, forget robin it's a perpetual turn machine with both advancing each other to spam DDD until it's 0av
Its also a way to generate infinite sp with sundays s1 and bronyas e1s1
So glad Bronya got a new buff 🔥
You mean application? That's not a buff, my friend.
@@Sakamoto_1535E3it’s sarcasm
@@Sakamoto_1535E3 I mean it's technically a buff in her viability because now she has additional uses. She has 100% action advance on her skill and can do this with just 1 skill point on ANY ally. Sunday is held back by not being able to action advance a harmony unit but Bronya comes in extremely clutch here because she can AA him and he can AA the carry and they synergize quite well especially with how strong Sunday's buffs are for summoners
@@the_delusional_dreamer it's definitely not and you just made it worse. You make me revolt even more. Go back to school, kid.
@@Sakamoto_1535E3Read the room
Sparkle found dead in the ditch ☠️
She is better than both of them in other stenarios
Well atleast she's having fun in Hi3... (I think)
@@nm9489what scenario
@@nm9489 what scenario lmao
@kiieel dan il
I will try to get the Jing Yuan 0-cycle clear on the 2nd half but no promises. Lightning Lord's bounce RNG is just so annoying.
Fellow jing yuan mains seeing this: first time?
just get E1
Yellovv have finished the Jing Yuan 0 cycles 2nd half showcase. But it's in CE sever.
Can you do this run with e2 bronya? Think the speed buff will mess stuff up?
@@notranameit should work, i think
You're the only CC I've seen mention that Sunday should use his ult on his turn, everyone else just does it whenever. I guess if you can get the extra energy it helps to get extra SP, but sometimes it's just a waste of uptime.
Whats so special about it? Doesnt it tick down on his turn just like RuanMei & HMC?
@@UnusualDeathCauseyes, like hmc ult
@@UnusualDeathCause When Sunday's ULT stacks run out and you do another skill into ULT, that skill cast won't recover SP. So now you can see why it is important to always use his ULT before his skill. It will maintain the 3-turn ULT rotation but will make the SP recovery have 100% uptime.
that's prob. cz some other CC use him with the usual Eagle DDD, thus ult-ing outside his turn, if you run Sacerdos with his LC then you definitely want to ult on his turn.
Sunday is a gift from heaven
My favourite new team has become Jingliu, Sunday, Bronya and Luocha. With Atk boots Jingliu and an E2 Bronya my Jingliu can get syzygy quickly and can stack both of Bronya's and Sunday's buffs in one turn with both of their lightcones and ultimates activated to do a quintillion damage totally unpowercrept damage. Sp isn't an issue as well.
Same with me except I have no luocha so I use lynx e2 instead
ooh thanks for the Sunday usage tips. I'll have to remember to reserve ult for his turn. Especially since i have the LC, i shouldn't have to worry about getting energy from hits.
Got to say lisara, this strategy is one of the esiest and reliable 0 cycles i am doing right now, and because i have E1 on everybody and bronya is E3, i dont need anything else, just the units and 150+ speed is enough for the girls, thx a lot
Hoyo : "Sunday would release in wednesday"
Sunday : "...i can't even make it to my own day.."
So happy you got this voice back (I'm aware it was back for a while, just appreciating it again)
If Sunday could pull up Bronya...With both having Sunday's LC, and DDD...Sunday and Bronya would infinitely pull each other up to infinite reseting everything back to 0 endlessly, cheesing the whole game. And sparkle can be a SP generator for the first wave.
we are overworking the general with this one 🔥🔥 the amount of turns is crazy
Finallyy... the Erudition Queen video showing up... answering all my questions related to Sunday in Jingyuan team
That Sunday ult tip was so useful, I didn't know you could use it like that to have 100% uptime on the SP recovery. thanks!
"I wont push harmonies grrrr"
"dont worry, I will be pushing you"
"oh fu-"
I actually do something very similar a minus 1 speed sunday with a fast sparkle honestly it's pretty comfy got 3 cycles on the first half! I am by no means a min maxxer but the fact that I got to use sparkle makes me very happy!
awesome showcase! as always
Now that we finally have a jing yuan show case, lisara has truly become the erudition main they were destined to be
Love waking up to a Lisara video~
Wow Lisara's cooking skills never stops to amaze me 🥵
Awesome as always!
That was beautiful
It has begun. The ultra advance forward teams are here! 😂
I kinda wanna try this with Lingsha xD
... since the team lacks sustain, how about a dps that can literally sustain the WHOLE TEAM lol
Definitely gonna be strong on a good matchup.
When would it be ideal to use Bronya's skill on the carry instead of Sunday in this setup? (assuming it's E6 Bronya and the skillpoint economy allows it) Thank you for the showcase btw
The issue with using Bronya's skill on JY is that it doesn't really push LL. Don't think there is a scenario where it is preferrable. Not to mention, that's 1 less turn for Sunday which can affect his rotation.
I see! Thanks for answering, that makes a lot of sense! Would it change if it were just a regular hypercarry setup team and not a summon focused team?
Till this day i'm still regretting not pulling Jade LC for my Jing Yuan. Really missing out on some of the techs that i could do with it.
Will be waiting for the Sunday guide! Still abit confused with the speed tuning for the normal Sunday x Robin comp lol
Can you make an in-depth Sunday guide? Thank you ❤
Yes, just a bit delayed.
@@LisaraScarlet That's great to hear! I can't wait for the guide
OURGENERAL KINGYUAN
1:24 sunday couldn’t reach out to his sister 💀
💀
I'd love to see how Lingsha, jade, sunday, bronya/robin would work
5:28 EPIC
Blade rerun chances slowly increasing I can feel it
OUR GENERAL, T0 dps !!! lol
He will get powercrept so hard when agleaa comes out 😂😂😅
@@Aha-is-elation shes powercreeping even your current faves regardless and its not even close
@@Aha-is-elationshe’s relatively unimpressive atm
@@daichi1069Feixiao, no. Everyone else ? Yea, they are cooked. Altho, BH has scenarios where he can be better.
@@undefind3426she's the only dps that's capable of 0 cycling svarag without the help of robin + high cost. what are you on about ?
Great run as always. Can i ask for your opinion? Should i get Sunday's LC? Or is my S1 bronya LC already good enough? Is his LC that crazy good? I'm saving for The Herta and Jade's LC atm.
Get his LC, it is that good.
@LisaraScarlet ah shit la...
The light cone is like bronya’s on steroid.
So I've got 2 sunday LCs, any cool strat I can do with it? I also got my S8 DDD lol
Sunday Tingyun I think? Haven't tried yet tho.
Can u even stack it tho? With difference harmony ofc
May I ask why you E on Sunday and not on the carry? Cuz i imagine Bronya push the carry then Sunday push the carry again should be better no? Sorry in advance, I'm still oblivious to HSR E-Sport tactics.
Carry still gets 2 turns per rotation either way. But with Bronya e sunday, you get an extra Sunday action, which is relevant if you have his sig and so he becomes sp positive.
@@waiyisitAlso LL moves with him again, twice. With bronya, u cant
How does bronya LC work on Sunday does it gives buffs to summons too ? Cuz Sunday LC doesn't mantion about buffing summons
Nope.
@LisaraScarlet so his LC doesn't buff summons and i can skip it for bronya LC???
@@bunny7.10 I was answering your question regarding Bronya LC on him. Considering summons takes into account the stats of their summoner, Sunday's LC buffs the summon.
which other DPSes do you think can also pull this off? and 0 cycle MoC 12
There isn't much summon type characters so the only remaining ones who can try this is Topaz and Lingsha.
I have 2 questions. Is this possible without Robin's Light cone? Also is Jade LC better than JY signature on him?
Depends on what you're aiming. Are you trying to 0-cycle? Bronya's LC is good at giving high energy to Robin but of course, you'll start lacking damage. To compensate, you need some really good gears or extra eidolons. Also, yes, Jade LC is better in this setup.
@LisaraScarlet Yeah! I don't normally try to 0 cycle but I'd like to out of boredom. I just auto moc, apoc and PF every rotation. Uh for the JY team, I have e0s1 JY, e1s1 Sunday, e0s0 Robin, e2s0 Bronya. I have S5 DDD on Bronya. I also own Jade LC and can replace JY signature with this
outside Kingyaun teams, is sunday eligible for ddd
Really bad because he can't do a 3-turn ULT rotation.
aint no way we got jingyuan 0cc moc 12 before gta6
would it work if I run a no speed jy with a 165 spd bronya advancing him first forward and then a 161 spd sunday doing the same immdediatly after - and then repeat. My bronya is e6 which is why I dont wanna waste her buffs on sunday.
You still wouldn’t have bronya’s buff on jing yuan, since her buff would expire after the Sunday pull turn and not affect lightning lord. So I believe this setup getting 2 lightning lords and also more energy for jing yuan is still better. You get more damage on Robin though.
@@georgezhang1573 Yep her E6 is really busted with Robin 😆(i would know this as an e6 bronya haver). So she does still work extremely well with other harmony units (or supports in general) as long as they are dealing additional damage based on their own stats.
@@georgezhang1573 oh you are absolutely right about that, how did my dumbass didnt think this far ;-;. could you tell me how it affects robin though (I have no clue)
@@majaschnee6656 for the early robin setup you have robin turn, bronya pull, robin turn, robin ult. Since the robin ult happens after the turn with bronya buff, she doesn’t keep the buff unless you have bronya e6. Damage buffs affect robin’s damage, so she will be doing a lot more damage, especially if she’s on attack orb.
Hi guys, does this work with Sparkle over Bronya? idk how the advancement weighs against s1 Sparkle's CD gain for team
It's decent with Sparkle but Bronya is just better for the fact that he makes Sunday move twice which leads to LL moving twice too.
Ive been meaning to ask. How detrimental does not having exactly minus 1 speed get? Say I have a 160 spd sunday, and my bronya is 158 or 157. How big of a difference does it do?
Not much difference but you'd want above 158 with decimals anyways because Svarog has 158 speed.
I think Lisara went to culinary school 😊
No way i can get those speed relics on Sunday, but maybe it works still if Bronya is E2?
clap clap
Does Bronya have to be 159?
Or is any speed that gives her pseudo 160 with the wind set push okay?
159 to make sure she acts before Svarog and Howling Casket. Minimum is 157.4 if we're just talking about techs. Not sure where you are getting this pseudo 160 but that's not part of the strat.
@LisaraScarlet tbh I was thinking that so that bronya acts 3 times just like sunday but at the same time be slower than him
@@patrickhachem9716 Bronya's speed would fluctuate if you're gonna do that which will not only cause her problems but also Sunday since you're pushing him to awkward action values.
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I’m trying to do this but I can’t get Robin’s concerto state to end within the first cycle, please help?
Follow the speed tuning requirements.
I heard you're not a fan of spd boots on carries, ig thats true, even when Sunday makes easier to build for that, you still found a way of not using it lol
Hi Lisara, will you do a standard banner eidolon guide? I still have the 130(?) pull reward on standard banner and there is now the free give away. I don't know which ones to get >
Check brax or guoba certified
My recommendation: if you know you won’t immediately benefit from it (like if having the chara/eidolon won’t help you gain more stars in end game content), hold off for now, especially if you’re pulling Fugue, Firefly, Aglaea, or The Herta. Who knows, maybe you’ll pull a standard character that’ll change what your choice is
If you don't have Bronya or Himeko then get the one you are missing. If it's Eidolons it is either Himeko E1 or Bronya Eidolon. As it seems with every single Harmony character getting released Bronya is not going to be discarded ever.
If you already have Himeko, invest into getting Bronya eidolons. Getting closer to E6 Bronya is crucial.
I also have the same JY stats but I don't think I can get my Sunday upto that 160 spd breakpoint.
while i might not be able to do zero cycle maybe finally bronya can be used in my account
also she E1S3 today during Sunday pulls maybe the game want me to play her
Can you do this without any exclusive LC?
Sunday's LC is mandatory for the rotations. I guess Topaz LC can be dropped if you have like E1 Robin or E1 Sunday.
has anyone done the speed calc for eagle on bronya and sunday, with s4 ddd?
How can you make this work with e2 bronya? Do you just not build speed on your dps at all?
Well since she's pushing Sunday forward and Sunday is tuned to go faster than her it would be a non-issue since at worst you are speed boosting a hyperspeed Sunday :)
Don't think there would be any issue.
Unfortunately I lost his LC for Himeko’s, so I will never be able to do this strat and many others 👍🏻
Can sunday get 3 turn ult with bronya lc at s1
Ever tried this on pure fiction? 💀 i cant wait to see if this actually works in there aswell
can you try main dps topaz with sunday? i think topaz will slay
I really wish I could try but there's no good stage for Topaz at the moment.
What is the soundtrack in this video?
Swordward and Jing Yuan trailer music- Heaven and Earth as a Chessboard.
Sadly lost sunday to welt 😔
Man I wonder how will the three supports do if svarog decided to abduct jingyuan
There's a lot of trick to prevent it but if you're just asking hypothetically, well, obviously the supports won't be able to do anything about it xd
Bronya and Sunday can just break the hand
Won my 50/50 (my 5th 50/50 win in a row lmao), got the light cone early, debating E1. If only I could finally get that last Eidolon for Welt too my imaginary men team could truly be peak.
does this work without robin?
Works but significantly weaker w/o Robin.
@ oh alright thanks
Am just starting out so I’m still a newbie
I tried with Ruan mei, it took 2 cycles but it was fun, my Bronya isn’t built at all
In ur opinion sunday E1 or S1
S1 first.
Would this be possible without Robin’s Sig?
Without Robin signature and using Bronya's signature, I keep ending the fight with 4~7% HP on Svarog.
King Juan and 3 buffer
Is it better to take the Sunday lightcone or the jingyuan?
sunday
Sunday LC!
What bug?
Howling Casket on the 2nd wave has 0/0 stacks.
Midyuan is back, i like speed tuning of bronya and sundezz. Perfection!
Is this viable even if the Bronya is E2? I'm holding off on claiming the Bronya from the selector since my Bronya is E1 and I'm scared of killing off any future chance of using her with Sunday, because I think the tech might prove super valuable when we get into 3.x.
Don't think it will affect the rotation.
@LisaraScarlet Ok thank you!
It shouldn't, since she would at worst just buff Sunday's speed and she can always push him back up since he'll be going before her anyway. The only thing to take into consideration would be her talent since the 100% AA can jank up the speed tuning unless it's what Lisara showed. Bronya's E2 is extremely strong, and her eidolons scale really freaking well (Her E4 is unironically more useful now)
I pulled for Sunday, got him on 70-ish pull, won 50/50, threw in leftover 10 pulls and got e1. Saving for Fugue rn, wish me luck
I don't think you need that luck bro. Actually, gimme your Sunday luck cuz I need his e1 for my future Aglaea
@cannibalman8175 no
@@holywitch13 I wasn't asking. Hand it over. Now.
@@cannibalman8175 no
@@holywitch13 Well, I tried being nice about it. *steals your luck*
How’s the speed tuning with an e2 bronya?
Don't think it changes anything.
Jade LC, bruh
ZERO CYCLING WITH JING YUAN FINALLY IS POSSIBLE!!!!
idk why but with 3 harmony it looks underwhelming..
at least for me
Unless your characters are all E6S5, 0 cycle are usually a sustainless team. Even so, its not as simple as simply slapping in 3 harmony and 1 dps u know.