@@nffclacey yeah i get what your saying but family, friends, friends of friends could all place bets with info given, i dont think footballers should be aloud to bet on football but its silly to drop a guy into a pool then punish him for swimming.
Maybe you should spend a little longer considering why betting on games is banned when you're a pro then. Jesus Christ. Obviously you don't feel breaking a rule nearly 250 times is beyond obscene. I guess he needed the money.
Would love to know what kind of betting breaches Toney actually done. It would give abit more clarity to the fans +public into the case i think its only right they disclose it due to such a significant ban maybe it could prove to be a deterant to other fellow professionals in the future.. Did he give friends/family a heads up on him scoring a pen or a free kick. Did he actually gamble himself . Did he disclose line ups or possible injurys to team mates before kickoff? Like what he did he do? There will never say but id like to know...😂
It was a fine that Man Shitty paid after they admitted that they cheated, small amount to pay for them and I’m sure they will only get a fine from the premier league for all the cheating since 2012.
@@dmitrove5495 not FFP charges dumbass, there’s a lot more than just FFP, there’s fraud at play here? They have been basically cooking the books to bring in more money than they’re saying they are, they’re paying managers from offshore accounts, they have breached over 100 financial rules, that isn’t FFP, Uafa deals with that and City found a disgusting loophole to stop them being punished for that, now the FA had to learn from it and ban those disgusting cheats and kick them out the English football pyramid.
So Pete Rose bets on baseball and gets a lifetime suspension. This guys gets eight months…and you wonder why people commit infractions..there’s no repercussions.
@@DeepDiveDiscipleship 232 is better than few which might imply dodgy stuff. 232 sounds like a real addiction that deserves sympathy. Combine fine, existing ban & bad pr is already enough punishment. So much potential to help people with addictions but of course why ruin a huge cash cow in betting companies
Man city can compete and keep winning League titles while having 100+ charges during the whole decade,but a guy is betting for a while,and the fa decides to be as strict as never before. Go figure...
Football is about fair play and unfortunately it’s one rule for some people but others can do whatever they like. Question remains when are Man City going to be punished for 100 charges of financial doping over the last decade. It’s also disgraceful that his suspension comes before they play Man City and the fact Brentford have a chance to qualify for European competition. Harsh punishment considering Toney cooperated fully with The FA. Also Trippier was only given 10 weeks suspension. I can understand not playing matches but not being allowed to train is uncalled for. Glad Ivan and Brentford can appeal, maybe a reduced ban should be on the table. Hopefully Ivan gets the help and support he needs for gambling addiction whilst helping others. Football governing bodies need to ban all gambling sponsorship and advertising from the game with immediate effect.
@@abdallaharafat88 re-read his question. It's long overdue and yeah, we understand City is an institution, unlike Toney who's just a footballer whose career is transitory. City is an asset to the league and the big money-bags. Slap on the wrist at worst. Toney should use his own failure to fuel more hunger. Missing half a season is alright I think plus a chance for a reduced punishment after the appeal. His England career is over even before it started, sad.
So Man City cheat for the last decade, and get nothing Ivan Toney bets(which doesn’t effect anyone), and gets banned, which can destroy Brentford’s next season Unbelievable
@@adamsamuel8593 Doesn't seem long to normal people like you and I, but to a footballer it is. If I'm not mistaken, he's banned from training with the squad and that's a huge blow for an athlete's fitness. Then you have to think about MATCH fitness which takes even longer to achieve. Why do you think pre-season is such a big deal for footballers?
The title of this video is "Ivan Toney's 8 month ban explained". Yet they explained nothing. They said he admitted to breaking rule E8, but offered no explanation as to what that rule says. Nor did they offer any explanation as to what Toney actually admitted to doing in those 232 charges. Absolutely piss poor journalism!
Trying to justify by bringing up related cases. 8 months for betting on lower league matches (of which has has no influence) while being part of a league sponsored by betting companies is ridiculous.
This is such an overreaction and they're making an example out of him but when a white player ie Trippier did something similar he only got 10 week ban not 8 MONTHS. 99% of every english football club are sponsored by betting companies. Prime example of english double standards
232 suggests a real adiction. Could've used this case as example to other footballers & public re gambling addictions as a sort of community service on top of fine & damage to his image is punishment enough. But of course FA won't upset betting companies who pay huge £££
@@UserName-br5zu I mean there’s nothing to say they aren’t concentrated, it’s not uncommon even for those addicted to take big breaks but eventually fall back into habits, also likely to be betting a much higher sum
They can ban this player in no time but city can get charged with 115 breaches of financial fair play and it will probably take year's to sort out. I hope they make an example of these cheaters City like they did with toney.
Sky had to stop at 0:04 once the most annoying voice on Sky shot up on my screen. Do you see how distracting his voice is. You can do better then him Sky.
Meanwhile, Man City is potentially about to win the treble, relying on oil money to do it, while at the same time being charged with over 100 breaches of financial rules over a decade long period. It's good to know that the bodies that govern football have their priorities in the right place. 👍
The two literally have nothing to do with each other, especially since Toney admitted guilt and City are pleading their innocence and fighting the charges.
@@FrankieBlueEyes I think the point is obvious - City as a club has substantially more power, including financial power, than a footballer like Ivan Toney does. It's much easier for the bodies that govern football to reprimand Brentford's best striker than it is to properly reprimand the richest club in the world that is likely to win the treble. City are just as guilty of their charges as Ivan Toney is with his charges. The difference between them is that City have much more power - they can simply get the best possible legal representation which will no doubt help them get away with their decade long abuses of financial rules with a relative slap on the wrist.
@@user-hp8mr9wk4t yes Man City has more power than a single footballer, that's not news. The point is Toney admitted to the charges and Man City haven't. Therefore it's more of a process for Man City and not as cut and dry. Are they not supposed to punish Toney after he admitted to the charges just because they haven't punished Man City who are still litigating their situation?
@@FrankieBlueEyes Honestly, your argument really doesn't make much sense. It doesn't matter that Man City haven't admitted to the charges. Do you seriously think Man City would just admit the charges when they know they have billions in the bank and can get far better legal representation than any Brentford player can? Why would City admit the charges right off the bat when they know they can go through the process with said far better legal representation and get off with a relative slap on the wrist? Ivan Toney does not have that same power. He pleaded guilty to most of the charges, but not all of them. The FA withdrew 30 charges and he pleaded guilty to the remaining 232 charges. It would not have benefited him at all to plead not guilty to all charges given the evidence - it was better to plead guilty to most of the charges than risk further charges or an even worse ban/ reprimand.
Why have the FA decided that the ban takes place immediately? Brentford play Man City on the last day of the season in what could be a decisive game. Oh, I just answered my own question. Second question then, how much oil money changed hands?
@@leehaslam5751 Decisive in the Pep is desperate to win the Champions League and is likely to fiddle with his team trying to ensure that. City could easily drop points in all three remaining games. Not any more. They now know they have a nailed on three on the last day, which means they are now PL champions.
@@busterboy7507 Don't think so since it reads, "with immediate effect" when the season is pretty much over. And of course the ban includes training not allowed and any football-related activity. I guess it's self-explanatory. Hopefully the appeal will reduce it but I'm afraid they won't.
@@dylanmurphy9389 when you break the rules as many times as he has I’d consider myself lucky if I where Tony or his club. It’s not just a few bets…it’s hundreds that he has already admitted to.
This should be between the club and player. If he bets on himself to score, and has a goal bonus in his contract, that's in line with what the club want him to do so no harm there. If he bets on himself to get booked in the 56th minute, then that is harming the club so should be forbidden. Depends what he did, and we don't know that yet.
@@davidfabian5237 What if he's 2v1 with the goalie and remembers he's going for the golden boot, or club record goalscorer, or any amount of other things? That's why I said the goal bonus, that's clearly what the club want him to do.
8 months is still way too much. Hope he returns sooner. Would like to see this kind of consequences when someone actually corrupts the system like City did.
city's is calculated so it would go through multiple loop holes making it complicated, whereas Toney's is just straight up betting without even hiding it
Man City are a fair team as they have played in the charity shield for charity, think it was the Cat protection. Many of their players are kind & shake hands at the end of the game & pray at the start. I don’t go to church anymore as I hurt my foot falling out the bath. I now watch tv at home , antique Roadshow is a favourite & I like looking at birds with my binoculars
The man admitted to breaking the rules 232 times and this guy is really acting like a measly 8 month ban from participating in one sport is a 5 year prison sentence with no parole. Man, the media loves to over sensationalize and it's just pathetic.
It's a very harsh set of rules. Was it Sturridge who mentioned to his family that he'd likely be moving abroad and they tried to ban him for it because a relative made a bet without him knowing? Why is something like that on the players shoulders? And why shouldn't players be able to bet on themselves and their teams? As long as they make it a requirement that they need to bet on themselves to win, what's the issue? It would be bad for Toney to try harder to win a game because he has a bet on it or something? I totally get it when it's like the bets Joey Barton made against his team, although even in his case he never intentionally threw matches (just bet against his side when he wasn't being selected). Sounds more likely that the FA is in the pocket of the big betting companies who don't want to lose money because players have insider information.
Toney was spot fixing, meaning he put bets on things he could control like yellow cards, goals scored, anything you can put a bet on for an individual player hes probably done as he has over 200 charges.
Extract from Wikipedia: Spot-fixing attempts to defraud bookmakers by a player taking a pre-arranged action to fix the result of that specific event.[1] Spot-fixing differs from match fixing in which the final result of a match is fixed or point shaving in which players (or officials) attempt to limit the margin of victory of the favoured team. Spot-fixing is more difficult to detect than match fixing or point shaving, and by its nature, it can be perpetrated by a lone fraudulent player without any other players or officials being needed to co-operate.
Example of Spot-fixing in Association Football: Following his retirement, Matt Le Tissier admitted that he had bet on the timing of the first throw-in in a match he played for Southampton against Wimbledon in 1995. The plan failed when a teammate who was unaware of the scam managed to keep his underhit pass on the pitch.[3] Le Tissier was forced to quickly kick the ball from play to prevent losing money on the bet and managed to "push" after kicking the ball out after 70 seconds.[4] He stated that he felt so silly about the incident that he never attempted it again.
The betting rules are pretty clear in my opinion. And he's not the first player to break the betting rules. With 200 counts on his name, I'm surprised it wasn't much worse. If he wants to waste his money on betting, he could bet on other sports. Betting on results in your own sport when you are a professional athlete is a bad idea. The ethics line gets blurry.
According too my calculations is should 55 week ban , so tripper admitted too 4 and that's 10weeks toney admitted too 232 so that's 55weeks as that's same punishment
We knew this was coming and when you take in the summer break, it’s not really 8 months. I hope we are loyal to Ivan and pay his wages through these 8 months and hope Ivan pays us back his loyalty with a new contract.
Yes but if he not allowed to train (sure he go to gym on his own but its not the same) that going add a least a month to him getting back on the field, so that largely negates the summer break. I agree with benny_boi. 8 months but let him train with the team.
@@timphillips9954 It all depends how important you are to the organisation. Toney probably worth about £50 million. If you don't pay you might void his contract and risk him leaving on a free. He only on a million a year makes no sense to risk a £50 million asset to save less than a million. Brentford should use the leverage the situation creates to get him to sign a new longterm contract. I suspect your employer would pay you if you were going to cost £50 million to replace.
Betting..Never threw or disclosed info, missed penalties etc.... Man City actually altered games and potentially had players and Pep should technically, never been at the club because of FFP. Nothing will happen!! BS.
This punishment is just WAY TOO BIG. A classic example of the FA going OTT on an issue that is not that big. I am not even a Brentford fan: Toney scored a late winner against my club just before the world cup.
Dont bet, Brentford sponsor plastered across the front of the jersey Hollywood bets. Sky bet championship. Please let the hypocrisy continue. Players, fans etc shown committing racism small slap on the wrist and some kneeling before games accomplishing nothing, gambling 8 months ban. Stupidity along with the hypocrisy
Hope he made millions from the betting cause 50k/p and 8 month ban is excessive. Nothing personal though, just a game at the end of the day 😉 I also hope he can at least watch matches on his Television 🤷🏿♂️ What a remarkable generational talent Tony is for Brentford. A true artist on the ball ✊🏿
He got 9months cause he is black simple .Epl can be really harsh with blacks . Couldn’t give yahya toure player of the year when he was top3 goal scorers as a CDM..tripper was given two weeks plus fine .Now this ???
Premier League sponsors gambling sites yet gives him a 8 month ban. If only they cared about Manchester Citys money as much as they do having one player bet... So hypocritical, but whats new.
poor Ivan this is far too harsh ALL FOOTBALL ,especially as so many clubs are sponsered by gambling companies including Brentford ,also has he a addiction that needs help I hope Brentford appeal this harsh fine remember you can assault a ref and only serve 8 games ban .maybe his career will be over ,hope not .COYB
This shows the difference between taking on a player versus taking on a club. Man City are literally cheating at the game of football through dodgy finances, Chelsea previously. What would the equivalent club sanction be to an 8 month player ban?
Spot-fixing attempts to defraud bookmakers by a player taking a pre-arranged action to fix the result of that specific event. Spot-fixing differs from match fixing in which the final result of a match is fixed or point shaving in which players (or officials) attempt to limit the margin of victory of the favoured team. Spot-fixing is more difficult to detect than match fixing or point shaving, and by its nature, it can be perpetrated by a lone fraudulent player without any other players or officials being needed to co-operate.
Okay, so a gambling addict, which is a medical diagnosis in many countries, gets a sentence that can be career-destroying. Then also most likely life-destroying punishment. What other profession would you get it? You would probably be offered help and treatment with follow-up. Violence and other gross violations are not so serious, but if it has to do with money, then the most severe punishment can be given! It really makes sense. The guy has not been involved with the mafia and match-fixing to make big money from gambling!
@@Jomggit’s against the rules go cry to the FA about it. As a professional footballer he has to follow the rules set out by the FA. And no “we’ve” not all done dirt that’s never heard of stop generalising, speak for yourself.
Cantona was being verbally abused by a fan in a disgusting manner, lost his temper and lashed out..his behaviour wasn't excusable, but it was quite a different scenario and I doubt would have got more than 3 months anywhere but England.
I don't get why everyone is making him out to be a victim in this. We know everyone wants to people please and be "politically correct" but their is no excuse. Don't remember Joey Barton getting any sympathy
Interesting how the PL encourages and supports betting, but if a player bets, it’s unacceptable. Now granted if he bet against his club, fair enough. Otherwise sorry I don’t get it
Eight months for Tony’s disgraceful there are literally things like sky, bet betting shirt sponsors, Man City ruining the league with blood money. Can you get about a man from all football activities for eight months over some betting that is encouraged everywhere in the prem😊
If he broke the rules he should get the full punishment. Letting him off for previous good conduct, age and remorse (yeah right!) is totally unfair. He is old enough to know the rules (and rich enough to get a good lawyer). You do the crime, you do the time!
Supprised the fa did not say ok you broken 200+ rules your banned from all football for life he knew he was breaching the rules but still did it 230 times
Well, hopefully, this is a sign the footballing authorities are not messing about, let's hope they do the same to Man Citeh if found guilty. Throw them out the league like Rangers!! Y the way, Don't feel too bad for Toni, he will still get paid but with all that free time, he may be tempted to have a dabble....
Games I get but baning a player from training is uncalled for and could ruin his career. If he's allowed to continue to train at Brentford he'll maybe be fine coming back, but if he's not allowed at all he's finished.
It's mildly unethical because the average punter doesn't get that opportunity of inside knowledge. It's kinda like insider trading. Also the person laying the bet (the bookmaker, or on an exchange) won't be happy. Every dollar being paid out is coming from someone else's pocket.
bet Toney to score, penalty to Brentford, Toney up for taking the penalty, Toney winks at his mom in the stands, yes mom bet the house I'm going to miss this penalty, Toney penalty missed, another house profit, all sports are rigged, but this guy did not shared his profit, so they are coming for him.
Gambling addictions r difficult to lose. I deduce it while employed in banking and onserving how many of tge rich put caps on the addict in their family
Worse thing is he had bet on a 9 month ban.
😂😂😂
Class 😂
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Will he still get his salary?
😂😂😂😂😂
Imo its incredibly hypocritical to have gambling splashed all over football at every level and then to punish a player for betting.
But he can just bet on himself team mates all sorts of people he knows he can literally cheat everyone insider trading lol
Talk about ironic. Gambling is a pandemic in the UK, banning a player instead of putting them through a program is just silly.
@@nffclacey yeah i get what your saying but family, friends, friends of friends could all place bets with info given, i dont think footballers should be aloud to bet on football but its silly to drop a guy into a pool then punish him for swimming.
Maybe you should spend a little longer considering why betting on games is banned when you're a pro then. Jesus Christ. Obviously you don't feel breaking a rule nearly 250 times is beyond obscene. I guess he needed the money.
@@Ajibolaa what program?
Would love to know what kind of betting breaches Toney actually done. It would give abit more clarity to the fans +public into the case i think its only right they disclose it due to such a significant ban maybe it could prove to be a deterant to other fellow professionals in the future.. Did he give friends/family a heads up on him scoring a pen or a free kick. Did he actually gamble himself . Did he disclose line ups or possible injurys to team mates before kickoff? Like what he did he do? There will never say but id like to know...😂
Exactly, I need to understand this.
The sentence should read “what Toney actually did”. Don’t use poor English to express your thoughts.
@@RitchieCollins In that case maybe you should look at your punctuation?
@@slothy33711 Their punctuation is completely fine… Classic bozo moment! Cheers Ian 🤡👏🏻
@@raveninnsbruck9166 Should be a comma after read and also the full stop should be inside the quotation marks.
If only he had the same lawyers as Manchester City!!!!!
City haven't been found guilty. Take a chill pill
@@Tsh336e City were found guilty and we’re fined €30million pal, check your facts pal….
@@stevepearson3946 Ohh you were referring to that pocket change
It was a fine that Man Shitty paid after they admitted that they cheated, small amount to pay for them and I’m sure they will only get a fine from the premier league for all the cheating since 2012.
Only if he had money like city
If he’s getting 8months, city should get 8 years
As a Man City fan we not getting anything haven’t done anything wrong was all fake news
8 yr ban for FFP "carges" 🤓
Should ban all English clubs out of Europe,if one of their members breaks rules
@@dmitrove5495 not FFP charges dumbass, there’s a lot more than just FFP, there’s fraud at play here? They have been basically cooking the books to bring in more money than they’re saying they are, they’re paying managers from offshore accounts, they have breached over 100 financial rules, that isn’t FFP, Uafa deals with that and City found a disgusting loophole to stop them being punished for that, now the FA had to learn from it and ban those disgusting cheats and kick them out the English football pyramid.
I want to see what they will do to Man city.
nothing hehe
Sadly it's the FA dishing this punishment not the premier League so who knows what they will do
That’s someone trying to kill a career. Feels too much.
232. That's not an isolated incident. Forget how it feels - the sheer number calls for a significant response.
That someone is himself
He had 262 charges he deserved it 💀
So Pete Rose bets on baseball and gets a lifetime suspension. This guys gets eight months…and you wonder why people commit infractions..there’s no repercussions.
@@DeepDiveDiscipleship 232 is better than few which might imply dodgy stuff. 232 sounds like a real addiction that deserves sympathy. Combine fine, existing ban & bad pr is already enough punishment. So much potential to help people with addictions but of course why ruin a huge cash cow in betting companies
Man city can compete and keep winning League titles while having 100+ charges during the whole decade,but a guy is betting for a while,and the fa decides to be as strict as never before. Go figure...
City was found innocent idiot as 4 charges are dropped
Rio Ferdinand's empty urine sample bottle entered the chat....
@@joeallen781 first thing that crossed my mind.
There’s a big difference….
Have you seen the size of the large brown envelopes that are delivered to the FA from the Etihad??
It's called corruption
Brentford’s scouting is amazing I’m sure they can get some talent in during the summer window
Lol not everyone is toney
You can have Patrick Bamford for free if you want!
You guys just explained the ban and why he was given a ban. What exactly did he do??
What did he do ? Seriously
I thought he bite opponents players 😂😂
Admitting to 232 cases of gambling seems like what he did. Whether he actually bet on himself and his team, I don't know.
@@Baesjegutten ...and insider trading! He gave away privileged information about team selections prior to announcements that only he could know.
he knew this would be a bit of a gamble
LOL but worth it
Damn bro 😮😮 8 Months!! No training with the team, no playing, no watching your team play.
I bet (no pun intended) he can't play on his backyard too.
He can train after 4 months, they just didn't mention it in this clip
I think 8 months maybe fair, but to not allow him to train or even turn up to watch the match during this period? That seems too far
You must be joking
Racist system !!!! john terry and Suarez for being racist the fact is the system is racist racist racist!!!
@@jujitsujew23 he's right
@@huttonberries768 how? Toney broke the gambling rule over 200 times and deserves what he's getting
@@jujitsujew23 He did but not allowing him to train at his age will destroy his career. Look at Hazard
Football is about fair play and unfortunately it’s one rule for some people but others can do whatever they like. Question remains when are Man City going to be punished for 100 charges of financial doping over the last decade. It’s also disgraceful that his suspension comes before they play Man City and the fact Brentford have a chance to qualify for European competition. Harsh punishment considering Toney cooperated fully with The FA. Also Trippier was only given 10 weeks suspension. I can understand not playing matches but not being allowed to train is uncalled for. Glad Ivan and Brentford can appeal, maybe a reduced ban should be on the table. Hopefully Ivan gets the help and support he needs for gambling addiction whilst helping others. Football governing bodies need to ban all gambling sponsorship and advertising from the game with immediate effect.
Man City hasn't been found guilty yet but as it is said here Ivan Toney has been found guilty.
That will drag on, it's nowhere near as simple as one person betting.
@@abdallaharafat88 re-read his question. It's long overdue and yeah, we understand City is an institution, unlike Toney who's just a footballer whose career is transitory. City is an asset to the league and the big money-bags. Slap on the wrist at worst. Toney should use his own failure to fuel more hunger. Missing half a season is alright I think plus a chance for a reduced punishment after the appeal. His England career is over even before it started, sad.
@@maganrescues Anything wrong i said? My bad.
Nothing will happen to Man City they bought the EPL
So Man City cheat for the last decade, and get nothing
Ivan Toney bets(which doesn’t effect anyone), and gets banned, which can destroy Brentford’s next season
Unbelievable
It also as good as hands the title on a plate to the biggest cheats the PL has ever seen.
Seems U have insight in the clubs, sorry U must be integrated in the board...
@@michaelwallden7261 What insight do you need when a one man team has that one man banned just before the oil billionaires play them?
No point explaining anything since u already declared them as cheats. 😂
Arsenal fan crying 😂
Such a shame, right after he's had his best ever season. Hopefully he remains mentally strong and in 8 months, picks up where he left off.
It's 8 months not 8 years.
@@adamsamuel8593 Doesn't seem long to normal people like you and I, but to a footballer it is. If I'm not mistaken, he's banned from training with the squad and that's a huge blow for an athlete's fitness.
Then you have to think about MATCH fitness which takes even longer to achieve. Why do you think pre-season is such a big deal for footballers?
Lets be honest if this was halland none of this would happen 2 weeks at maximum just look at the 115 ffp charges they care about money only
Rio Ferdinand got 8 month for taking drugs but not the test also!
Joey Barton got 18 months
The title of this video is "Ivan Toney's 8 month ban explained". Yet they explained nothing. They said he admitted to breaking rule E8, but offered no explanation as to what that rule says. Nor did they offer any explanation as to what Toney actually admitted to doing in those 232 charges. Absolutely piss poor journalism!
Exactly my point.
Trying to justify by bringing up related cases. 8 months for betting on lower league matches (of which has has no influence) while being part of a league sponsored by betting companies is ridiculous.
This is such an overreaction and they're making an example out of him but when a white player ie Trippier did something similar he only got 10 week ban not 8 MONTHS. 99% of every english football club are sponsored by betting companies. Prime example of english double standards
Trippier had far fewer cases, Toney had over 200
232 caese is just crazy....so no Toney in next season's FPL 😢
232 suggests a real adiction. Could've used this case as example to other footballers & public re gambling addictions as a sort of community service on top of fine & damage to his image is punishment enough. But of course FA won't upset betting companies who pay huge £££
@@d.b.cooper1 good point. 👍🏾
@@d.b.cooper1yea of course, let's treat everyone as victims, hold no one accountable, and call it an example case
@@d.b.cooper1 that’s about 1 bet per week for 4 years, not really an addiction that is it?
@@UserName-br5zu I mean there’s nothing to say they aren’t concentrated, it’s not uncommon even for those addicted to take big breaks but eventually fall back into habits, also likely to be betting a much higher sum
Brentford will struggle without him
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@@Eafcplayer2456 isn’t better
@@daavide Ik but I’m sure Toney has like 20 goals in the pl this season
@@daavide Ik but I’m sure Toney has like 20 goals in the pl this season
I don't think so
That’s too much pathetic 8 months is too long disgrace
They can ban this player in no time but city can get charged with 115 breaches of financial fair play and it will probably take year's to sort out. I hope they make an example of these cheaters City like they did with toney.
Damn topping Man Citys charge count, impressive
So why those Betting companies can sponsor clubs always trying to make an example on black players
What's the point in gambling when you are already rich and risk getting a ban. Absolute stupidity.
If you are going to ban players from betting then you should ban betting sponsors as well.
Sky had to stop at 0:04 once the most annoying voice on Sky shot up on my screen. Do you see how distracting his voice is. You can do better then him Sky.
Meanwhile, Man City is potentially about to win the treble, relying on oil money to do it, while at the same time being charged with over 100 breaches of financial rules over a decade long period. It's good to know that the bodies that govern football have their priorities in the right place. 👍
You said it best!
The two literally have nothing to do with each other, especially since Toney admitted guilt and City are pleading their innocence and fighting the charges.
@@FrankieBlueEyes I think the point is obvious - City as a club has substantially more power, including financial power, than a footballer like Ivan Toney does. It's much easier for the bodies that govern football to reprimand Brentford's best striker than it is to properly reprimand the richest club in the world that is likely to win the treble. City are just as guilty of their charges as Ivan Toney is with his charges. The difference between them is that City have much more power - they can simply get the best possible legal representation which will no doubt help them get away with their decade long abuses of financial rules with a relative slap on the wrist.
@@user-hp8mr9wk4t yes Man City has more power than a single footballer, that's not news. The point is Toney admitted to the charges and Man City haven't. Therefore it's more of a process for Man City and not as cut and dry. Are they not supposed to punish Toney after he admitted to the charges just because they haven't punished Man City who are still litigating their situation?
@@FrankieBlueEyes Honestly, your argument really doesn't make much sense. It doesn't matter that Man City haven't admitted to the charges. Do you seriously think Man City would just admit the charges when they know they have billions in the bank and can get far better legal representation than any Brentford player can? Why would City admit the charges right off the bat when they know they can go through the process with said far better legal representation and get off with a relative slap on the wrist?
Ivan Toney does not have that same power. He pleaded guilty to most of the charges, but not all of them. The FA withdrew 30 charges and he pleaded guilty to the remaining 232 charges. It would not have benefited him at all to plead not guilty to all charges given the evidence - it was better to plead guilty to most of the charges than risk further charges or an even worse ban/ reprimand.
Why have the FA decided that the ban takes place immediately? Brentford play Man City on the last day of the season in what could be a decisive game. Oh, I just answered my own question. Second question then, how much oil money changed hands?
Decisive in what way 😂😂😂😂
@@leehaslam5751 Decisive in the Pep is desperate to win the Champions League and is likely to fiddle with his team trying to ensure that. City could easily drop points in all three remaining games. Not any more. They now know they have a nailed on three on the last day, which means they are now PL champions.
Toney is injured for the rest of the season - he wouldn’t have played either way
Lol people make up anything to hate City. Not corruption, just racism
@@oldbloke135 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Need to explain look at your figures no one watches
Bloody hell! they really dropped the hammer on him! But I can't say I'm surprised though.
He'll be back in Jan fresh like a saltwater fish! Only hope Brentford will stand by him. His England career is over even before it started.
@@maganrescues Isn't that 8 months of playing football, not just 8 months.
@@busterboy7507 Don't think so since it reads, "with immediate effect" when the season is pretty much over. And of course the ban includes training not allowed and any football-related activity. I guess it's self-explanatory. Hopefully the appeal will reduce it but I'm afraid they won't.
@@maganrescues Dont think that's the case. The FA want FIFA to apply the ban overseas so he can't play there next season.
@@busterboy7507 lol next season finishes next May, that's a span of 12 months.
Toneys 8 month ban explained : he is banned for 8 months
Wayy too much here. Keep this same energy for city (Ikno it’s the prem not the FA). I wanna see city in the non league or league 2.
Tears that ain`t bro just console yourself another way.
I BET he's gutted!
Yet he was still allowed to play this season. Corrupt.
POLITICAL MOVE LOL IF TONEY PLAYED FOR BIG RICH TEAMS nothing WOULD HAPPEN
If Brentford didn't play City on the final day of the season, would Toney's ban be with immediate effect?
He's getting odds of 2/1 that he can get the punishment reduced on appeal.
Wonder how long it will be before the race card comes out
I bet he will play earlier.
What about mancity doing financial doping
Hopefully man city will get the same
When you consider it’s basically 4 month until next season starts he’s not missing 8 months of football. He’s missing nearer 4-5
Still heavy, he’s the leagues third top scorer
@@dylanmurphy9389 Irrelevant how good you are doesn't give you the right to break the rules
@@BenTaylor-qp5sv didnt say it does, I said it’s heavy for Brentford
@@dylanmurphy9389 when you break the rules as many times as he has I’d consider myself lucky if I where Tony or his club.
It’s not just a few bets…it’s hundreds that he has already admitted to.
He's not allowed to train either. 8 months out of the game is not a minor thing,
Can’t he just play abroad? This is just an FA ban right?
@enganche then he’ll be fine. Go to Bayern and smash it.
This should be between the club and player. If he bets on himself to score, and has a goal bonus in his contract, that's in line with what the club want him to do so no harm there. If he bets on himself to get booked in the 56th minute, then that is harming the club so should be forbidden. Depends what he did, and we don't know that yet.
Perfectly put sir. Will we ever hear the full details?
Imagine he’s 2v1 and with the goalie and remembers his bet of scoring, so he doesn’t pass and misses the shot
@@davidfabian5237 What if he's 2v1 with the goalie and remembers he's going for the golden boot, or club record goalscorer, or any amount of other things?
That's why I said the goal bonus, that's clearly what the club want him to do.
@@davids3539 nah letting the teammate tap it in is always a better option
@@davidfabian5237 Then you will have the same issue with a goal bonus, which is pretty common for strikers.
Got off lightly!
Punishment for a smaller teams player you'll not play for a season... city's punishment here's a treble for your troubles
8 months is still way too much. Hope he returns sooner. Would like to see this kind of consequences when someone actually corrupts the system like City did.
232 charges!! Deserves at least 8 months.
city's is calculated so it would go through multiple loop holes making it complicated, whereas Toney's is just straight up betting without even hiding it
Not long enough, should be multiple season ban
City charges haven't been proven. Toney has been found guilty
Man City are a fair team as they have played in the charity shield for charity, think it was the Cat protection. Many of their players are kind & shake hands at the end of the game & pray at the start. I don’t go to church anymore as I hurt my foot falling out the bath. I now watch tv at home , antique Roadshow is a favourite & I like looking at birds with my binoculars
8 months is legit nothing 🤣 lasts til Jan. 200+ breaches. Shoulda been a few years
Should have got 18 months not 8. These are a vast number of betting offences
You little too harsh man
232 bets in 4 years. 1 a week on average. What world do you live in.
They couldnt wait to start his ban next season? they had to do this before he plays against city? corrupt.
The man admitted to breaking the rules 232 times and this guy is really acting like a measly 8 month ban from participating in one sport is a 5 year prison sentence with no parole. Man, the media loves to over sensationalize and it's just pathetic.
It's a very harsh set of rules. Was it Sturridge who mentioned to his family that he'd likely be moving abroad and they tried to ban him for it because a relative made a bet without him knowing? Why is something like that on the players shoulders?
And why shouldn't players be able to bet on themselves and their teams? As long as they make it a requirement that they need to bet on themselves to win, what's the issue? It would be bad for Toney to try harder to win a game because he has a bet on it or something?
I totally get it when it's like the bets Joey Barton made against his team, although even in his case he never intentionally threw matches (just bet against his side when he wasn't being selected).
Sounds more likely that the FA is in the pocket of the big betting companies who don't want to lose money because players have insider information.
Toney was spot fixing, meaning he put bets on things he could control like yellow cards, goals scored, anything you can put a bet on for an individual player hes probably done as he has over 200 charges.
Extract from Wikipedia: Spot-fixing attempts to defraud bookmakers by a player taking a pre-arranged action to fix the result of that specific event.[1] Spot-fixing differs from match fixing in which the final result of a match is fixed or point shaving in which players (or officials) attempt to limit the margin of victory of the favoured team. Spot-fixing is more difficult to detect than match fixing or point shaving, and by its nature, it can be perpetrated by a lone fraudulent player without any other players or officials being needed to co-operate.
Example of Spot-fixing in Association Football:
Following his retirement, Matt Le Tissier admitted that he had bet on the timing of the first throw-in in a match he played for Southampton against Wimbledon in 1995. The plan failed when a teammate who was unaware of the scam managed to keep his underhit pass on the pitch.[3] Le Tissier was forced to quickly kick the ball from play to prevent losing money on the bet and managed to "push" after kicking the ball out after 70 seconds.[4] He stated that he felt so silly about the incident that he never attempted it again.
When football is corrupted by gambling ... what do you expect?
The betting rules are pretty clear in my opinion. And he's not the first player to break the betting rules. With 200 counts on his name, I'm surprised it wasn't much worse. If he wants to waste his money on betting, he could bet on other sports. Betting on results in your own sport when you are a professional athlete is a bad idea. The ethics line gets blurry.
According too my calculations is should 55 week ban , so tripper admitted too 4 and that's 10weeks toney admitted too 232 so that's 55weeks as that's same punishment
This is sad cos I was hoping Arsenal would swoop in for him this Summer Transfer Window🤦🏾
Maybe they'll get him at a discount lol
I don't agree with him being banned from training, shame he can't be loaned abroad or something to stay fresh.
This was before his rise at Brentford mostly. I'm sure his club and that manager are backing him
We knew this was coming and when you take in the summer break, it’s not really 8 months. I hope we are loyal to Ivan and pay his wages through these 8 months and hope Ivan pays us back his loyalty with a new contract.
Yes but if he not allowed to train (sure he go to gym on his own but its not the same) that going add a least a month to him getting back on the field, so that largely negates the summer break. I agree with benny_boi. 8 months but let him train with the team.
He was spot fixing
Sod him, he knew what he was doing. Pay he wages are you joking? Would your employer do the same for you?
@@marcusclark5330 That cannot have been proved if it had he have been banned for life
@@timphillips9954 It all depends how important you are to the organisation. Toney probably worth about £50 million. If you don't pay you might void his contract and risk him leaving on a free. He only on a million a year makes no sense to risk a £50 million asset to save less than a million. Brentford should use the leverage the situation creates to get him to sign a new longterm contract. I suspect your employer would pay you if you were going to cost £50 million to replace.
Penaldo tactics to play in premier league again next season
Man City, politicians trading 😂😂😂
Joke of world. Im not defending him but the world is full of hypocrisy
Serves him Damm right.. Dnt like him anyways.. met him, not a nice approachable guy especially 2 fan's 💯👊🏿
Betting..Never threw or disclosed info, missed penalties etc.... Man City actually altered games and potentially had players and Pep should technically, never been at the club because of FFP. Nothing will happen!! BS.
Player records himself kicking a cat and is convicted for cruelty to animals, FA response.
Player breaks betting rules, FA response.
FA logic 😮
Tony kay ex Sheffield Wednesday and Everton (excellent player too)was jailed in the 1960's and given a life ban . This guy's got off very lightly
This punishment is just WAY TOO BIG. A classic example of the FA going OTT on an issue that is not that big.
I am not even a Brentford fan: Toney scored a late winner against my club just before the world cup.
It's too little if anything. For that many incidents he should be banned for years.
BANN HIM FOR LIFE AND MAKE A EXAMPLE OUT OF HIM FOR THE REST OF THE MILLIOAIRES WHI KICK FOOTBALLS IN NETS
Dont bet, Brentford sponsor plastered across the front of the jersey Hollywood bets. Sky bet championship. Please let the hypocrisy continue. Players, fans etc shown committing racism small slap on the wrist and some kneeling before games accomplishing nothing, gambling 8 months ban. Stupidity along with the hypocrisy
Hope he made millions from the betting cause 50k/p and 8 month ban is excessive. Nothing personal though, just a game at the end of the day 😉 I also hope he can at least watch matches on his Television 🤷🏿♂️ What a remarkable generational talent Tony is for Brentford. A true artist on the ball ✊🏿
So when will Little Citeh be banned from football over cheating? Absolute disgrace by the English FA and the Premier League.
So he's suspended during the off season? Wow, really nailed him!
He got 9months cause he is black simple .Epl can be really harsh with blacks . Couldn’t give yahya toure player of the year when he was top3 goal scorers as a CDM..tripper was given two weeks plus fine .Now this ???
The EPL is in bed with numerous betting outfits so this kind of thing is baked into the system.
Premier League sponsors gambling sites yet gives him a 8 month ban. If only they cared about Manchester Citys money as much as they do having one player bet... So hypocritical, but whats new.
poor Ivan this is far too harsh ALL FOOTBALL ,especially as so many clubs are sponsered by gambling companies including Brentford ,also has he a addiction that needs help I hope Brentford appeal this harsh fine remember you can assault a ref and only serve 8 games ban .maybe his career will be over ,hope not .COYB
This shows the difference between taking on a player versus taking on a club. Man City are literally cheating at the game of football through dodgy finances, Chelsea previously. What would the equivalent club sanction be to an 8 month player ban?
Spot-fixing attempts to defraud bookmakers by a player taking a pre-arranged action to fix the result of that specific event. Spot-fixing differs from match fixing in which the final result of a match is fixed or point shaving in which players (or officials) attempt to limit the margin of victory of the favoured team. Spot-fixing is more difficult to detect than match fixing or point shaving, and by its nature, it can be perpetrated by a lone fraudulent player without any other players or officials being needed to co-operate.
Every goal he has scored this season should be chalked off
Your clubs owners should be arrested
@@dylanmurphy9389 🤣🤣🤣
Okay, so a gambling addict, which is a medical diagnosis in many countries, gets a sentence that can be career-destroying. Then also most likely life-destroying punishment.
What other profession would you get it? You would probably be offered help and treatment with follow-up.
Violence and other gross violations are not so serious, but if it has to do with money, then the most severe punishment can be given!
It really makes sense.
The guy has not been involved with the mafia and match-fixing to make big money from gambling!
Yet Citeh get away with financial wrongdoing over many more years and high value breaches and get nothing. Wonder why?????
Not long enough!
He didn’t do anything bad
@@RK-eh9yo You serious lol
Oh please , it’s funny how we scrutinise those under the public eye . We’ve all done dirt that’s never heard off . He didn’t hurt anyone
@@Jomgg it’s against the rules. kieran trippier got 10 weeks for 4 offences. He got off very lightly.
@@Jomggit’s against the rules go cry to the FA about it. As a professional footballer he has to follow the rules set out by the FA. And no “we’ve” not all done dirt that’s never heard of stop generalising, speak for yourself.
Cantona was being verbally abused by a fan in a disgusting manner, lost his temper and lashed out..his behaviour wasn't excusable, but it was quite a different scenario and I doubt would have got more than 3 months anywhere but England.
The FA is taking this seriously you say??
Yet, Man city had been breaking all sorts of financial rules still had been charged for almost 10 years.
I don't get why everyone is making him out to be a victim in this. We know everyone wants to people please and be "politically correct" but their is no excuse.
Don't remember Joey Barton getting any sympathy
Interesting how the PL encourages and supports betting, but if a player bets, it’s unacceptable. Now granted if he bet against his club, fair enough. Otherwise sorry I don’t get it
how about explaining 1 charge from man city case every day ? :) view numbers would go up
Tony is considering an appeal at the moment but he feels handicapped on this one
Eight months for Tony’s disgraceful there are literally things like sky, bet betting shirt sponsors, Man City ruining the league with blood money. Can you get about a man from all football activities for eight months over some betting that is encouraged everywhere in the prem😊
If he broke the rules he should get the full punishment. Letting him off for previous good conduct, age and remorse (yeah right!) is totally unfair. He is old enough to know the rules (and rich enough to get a good lawyer). You do the crime, you do the time!
Supprised the fa did not say ok you broken 200+ rules your banned from all football for life he knew he was breaching the rules but still did it 230 times
Well, hopefully, this is a sign the footballing authorities are not messing about, let's hope they do the same to Man Citeh if found guilty. Throw them out the league like Rangers!! Y the way, Don't feel too bad for Toni, he will still get paid but with all that free time, he may be tempted to have a dabble....
Games I get but baning a player from training is uncalled for and could ruin his career. If he's allowed to continue to train at Brentford he'll maybe be fine coming back, but if he's not allowed at all he's finished.
As long as he bets on his team winning I don't see anything wrong with it.
Then you’re naive?
It's mildly unethical because the average punter doesn't get that opportunity of inside knowledge. It's kinda like insider trading. Also the person laying the bet (the bookmaker, or on an exchange) won't be happy. Every dollar being paid out is coming from someone else's pocket.
bet Toney to score, penalty to Brentford, Toney up for taking the penalty, Toney winks at his mom in the stands, yes mom bet the house I'm going to miss this penalty, Toney penalty missed, another house profit, all sports are rigged, but this guy did not shared his profit, so they are coming for him.
If it was Kane they would give like 5game ban and 50k fine
Kane is the golden boy. This wouldn't get to the public if it was Kane.
Kane wouldn't be so daft to do it in the first place
Toney's initials are IBET 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gambling addictions r difficult to lose. I deduce it while employed in banking and onserving how many of tge rich put caps on the addict in their family
If only he’d said “GambleAware” instead of “no comment”