They were always there, but it was thought that they were balanced around those flaws. Then Neuvillette comes and does everything. I'd be saltier about it if his gameplay wasn't so dull.
I did an abyss run with my friend's c0r1 Neuvillette and it ... I mean it was hilarious how much he massacred everything, but gosh that gameplay sure wouldn't draw me in. I skipped he and Furina for Raiden and will probably skip Nahida too (though I'll absolutely get Furina on her rerun) Like at the end of the day as much as I enjoy theorycrafting stuff, this is an easy game, and I so much more enjoy vertically investing in the characters that excite me and are fun to play than just following a KQM rotation with the most meta teams. Nahida is fully cracked and I absolutely get it but I don't like her gameplay at all and the power spike isn't worth cringing every time she goes from DDR dance to T-pose run
Imo Raiden is the best 'feeling' on-field DPS in the game. No stagger, AT ALL. Smooth and fast NA combo and CA. Great AoE. Front load and continuous damage. Helps with other team members possible ER issues. Other chars may do more dmg but no one else feels as good to use and I think that's important.
@@ashenzenden i don't recall Neuvi restoring er for party members? (lol he is an one man army) but for god's sake, Raiden does dmg+restore energy making her valuable as well.
Holy shit! I just learned VV don't work off-field, I thought since Jean/Sucrose burst swirl a long time, I was getting the shred, and I was doing the rotation totally wrong! Thanks!
I think her c2 is quite a game changer for those who absolutely love her, but if she's not your favorite I cant reccomend going for her cons at all when Nahida or Furina exist now and a more varied selection of characters youd rather use your rolls on like Nilou, Neuvi, Kazuha or Yelan. She's still worth picking up at c0 though!
I agree. cos you end up playing her for few months and then switching to the next carry. I am also against Nahi and Furi c2 cos I overbuild my chars and then its just not fun anymore
She’s absolutley my favorite character, currently I have her at c0r1, however, I am at a nearly 260 crit value build on my artifacts. By far my best built character I have. I feel like I need her c2 so I can let her shine!
Same goes for me, but… I’ll probably just get C0, since Nahida is, first of all, cheaper, since I only need her once, and she’s also much less replaceable. And I also don’t have enough pulls for C2) I love Raiden, but… probably next banner.
I have her c3 and she was really strong back then. She is still strong, but my experience with c0 Navia made me realize how big their difference is relative to their cost of pulling and team building.
@@BlazeGamerThat's only really the case on paper. But as we've all seen in practical testing, navia performs significantly better than paper suggests due to huge amounta of frontload in her kit. There really shouldn't be an investment level at which raiden does better than navia.
@@BlazeGamerWhere are you even getting that info lmao? C2 raiden hyper is like a 70-72k dps team, C0 navia teams can go up to like 65k, and navia gains around 30% from C1 and C2. Where is this supposed destruction happening?
@@fennecnation138 65k is unrealistic its the theoretical limit, and her c2 is not even close to 30% dps increase its at best conditions 20% which ia not reliable, not mentioning navia has a lot of magrin for error and uncertainty each rotation while raiden is consistent
i have c6 raiden for waifu reasons and i kept saying to newer player, chasing after c2 raiden is like you invest big on an older dps. Power creeping exist and my c0 neuvilette easily out damage my raiden. Plus, you always could constellation that new dps on future banner. Imagine yourself having c4 neu or c6 navia in few years, it will easily out damage your c2 raiden that cant grow with more constellations. Btw im not just talking about investment=gacha, goodluck spending months and years on emblem domain for raidens relic 😕. Getting those 250-270%ER with decent attack and crit ratio isnt the same at all as farming for xiangling and xingqiu. Best scenario is you are f2p that want to use national team and have the catch (but then why you spend so many fates to c2 her lmao, better get c0 furina, c0 nahida, c0neu, etc). but if i saying this people will say im gatekeeping them from raiden lol.
I hope Chevreuse kinda helps with a lot of her "issues," being that her buffs aren't circle impact and she doesn't need to be on-field to trigger the ATK buff, electro & pyro shred, and the electro and pyro damage bonus at c6. Now we just need some more pyro off-fielders or maybe Xiangling and Thoma (and Dehya?) are enough.
@@marcusaurelius4777you're mistaking the comment's meaning. OP is saying that Chevreuse would help Raiden's issues, not saying the other way around that Chevreuse has issues with Raiden. Raiden's gonna be goated for aure
She did not fall off, there are just more alternatives and mechanics which keep getting added and it's healthy for the game. Otherwise we all would still be using only Ganyu like the past old days 😊 I have been enjoying my C3 Raiden with a lot of characters since release, she has almost endless teams to try. My first character i spent money for and i have absolutely zero regrets.
@@Alhaitham195 She fell off of pull priority, but she's actually even better than she was on release because of double hydro and hybrid builds. She's better, but there's better and cheaper options now. If her c2 was c1, I'd still say it would be a good pull. Edit: good pull only if you like her LOL. Pulling a main dps type character in general is only good if you like them and/or their playstyle.
C4 Raiden owner here. I don't regret getting her cons but at this point where we're at in the game, I think it's not necessary anymore unless you're simping hard for her. I'd love to trade my Eula cons for Furina and Nahida's C2 if I could as well lol.
I think it can be summarized as; She's still really good, she's just not AS standout compared to everyone else anymore now that we have characters like Alhaitham and Neuvillette who compete with her, so C2 is usually only worth it if you really like her style. IMO it's better this way. More options in a game is always good.
add to that the fact that a bunch of other characters at c2 will do similarly or better. if you like her it can be very worth it but if youre doing it for meta reasons, pulling some charactres at c0 can be better and if oure going for cons then getting cons for those will be way better
@@fennecnation138 Good thing that's not Raiden lmao. Literally the only character in the game that fulfills that criteria is Alhaitham who we all know is busted. Even Neuv wants C1 to hit his peak.
@@moritz4026 Nah I'd personally z say Alhaitham's better than Neuv at C0 personally. Maybe in heavy AoE they're similar but in anything less I don't see a scenario where I'd prefer C0 Neuv unless you're running him with C2 Furina or something. Keep in mind I have both and at R1.
A lot of this makes a lot of sense, but what gets me sometimes is "well she's bad at multi-wave small target floors" and the like held up as big negatives. Lots of characters are bad at that, there's basically always a boss side of abyss and you should have an AOE team set up for that. The argument of "the investment in c2 is not worth it vs c0 of three other characters" is super sound. It's not at all going to power spike your account the same way, and I'm saying that as someone who has saved 700 pulls for c3r1 while fully knowing it is not a good investment. But calling her *bad* is a different level, like if your goal is to make purple lady do big smashy, she's still really capable of doing that, if you like her you're not gonna regret it, but it's absolutely a bad idea if you just are looking for power. Personally she's my favourite character and I hated having her being stuck as an off field skill bot for a cabbage patch kid, so I'm gonna enjoy my nukes xD
@@maevethefox5912 since you seem to be a smart person, you are better off just ignoring those, along with the simps defending their $200 investment at any cost. they both leave comments driven by emotions, without reason.
@RafaelBelvederese I get baffled by how personally some people take an easy single player game. Like I'm no simp, but I've absolutely spent $200 towards Raiden, and the closest to justifing it I'll do is "I'm not poor and I think she's neat" Like you don't gotta convince randoms on the internet it's the best choice in every possible way. "I wanted to play purple lady and not green toddler" is good enough
Nah is all about comfy, her playstyle is so satisfying and so easy to play with full resistance interruption. Also her dmg is not just front-loaded dmg, her charged atk in burst mode hit like 120k
@@sleykun8637 200k per CA is giga whale setup bro. c3 r1 could never reach that unless using food buff with boss debuff or event buff. my c6 r3 raiden with c2 kazuha r4 sworn can only reach 150k per CA in abyss
I've been maining Raiden ever since 2.1, clearing every single abyss with her.💜 Her damage at C0 may not be quite on par with Tao, Alhaitham or Neuvillette, but it doesn't need to be bc of her superior supportive capabilities, flexibility and comfort factor. She's a perfectly designed unit with amazing vertical investment options as a cherry on top. If you enjoy her unique quickswap nuking+enabling playstyle, you'll never regret investing into her, I'm sure.
@@the_knave01 She doesn't have any utility. They are ust doing different thing. I think if we talking about Geo, Raiden is much closer to Noelle then to Navia in the way she interact with the team.
@@the_knave01 Yes, but this is why I think Raiden is closer to Noelle, but not just because time, but because she is an on-filed charatcer who give utitlity to the team by being on field. Noelle heals the team and apply geo - Raiden restore energy and apply electro. Both charatcer's kit is not centered around only dealing damage, but around haveing decent damage + something else. Navia on the otherhand is a damage dealer first and formost, she is really good espeically because the front-load (2-3. times), but she have a different purpose in the team compered to Raiden. I really love my Navia, so flexible and if we only talking about quick-swap damage she is just flat out better then Raiden, she doesn'T need her burst for it and she can do it multiple times in one rotation. And then Itto who are a classic hypercarry with zero flexibility and very high on-field time. Noelle not just have more utitly but can swap out because her burst doesn'T go away, but I guess in this Itto and Raiden is close to each other.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 mm you really like your noelle I see. Yes as a geo she is quite flexible indeed. Between my raiden and navia i like navia more because while raiden is flex, i feel odd when i pull out bennett and kazuha from the team, i use cookie in hyperbloom and then it becomes restricted. Navia can be quite flex herself as a solo geo without losing much potential.
As much as Raiden is one of my favorite characters and would appreciate the c2 damage increase, her damage is enough at C0. I mainly use her in a hybrid quickbloom build or double hydro, and the damage is far from lacking. I used to want it a lot, and still kinda do, but I'm a bit of a collector and would prefer to get some of the new characters instead. Xianyun, Chiori, Arlecchino, and Clorinde are all coming soon. Maybe Clorinde will also fulfill that hypercarry role at c0 better than Raiden, seeing as she's the top duelist of Fontaine. Technically lore-wise Raiden should be stronger, but sometimes gacha powercreep>lore.
I've been searching info about how worth It is C2 raiden nowadays now that her rerun is in a few days, i learned so much about this vid and as shes my favourite character ill go for her C2 r1 or possibly c3. Thanks for all the useful information! Great video!!
if you like her just go for it. I always like her vanilla playstyle and never got bored playing her in years. I enjoy her c2 more on helping random coops, theyre reaction from one shotting everything is hilarious
I liked raiden so much that I spent half of my primos for her c3 + r1 weapon in 2022 and farmed 16 months straight for a good emblem set, her dmg is still absolutely insane but now seeing my c1 Neuv with a 4* weapon doing even more dmg sometimes while also being satisfying to play feels weird
Absolutely agree. As a C2 Raiden haver, I rarely use her now. The overkilling and losing out on energy regen is a definite real thing you run into, and in her hyper team, it makes you conscious of using her burst to tidy up enemies, but outside her burst window the team damage is kinda painful so when you aren't efficiently ending things after regening energy, it can feel kinda clunky. That said, she was the first 5* I intentionally got cons for, and since have only done it for C2 Nahida and Furina, and C1 Neuv, so she at least set the bar for what I was willing to go for constellation-wise which was a nice barometer to have.
I enjoyed playing Raiden for a long time, and invested a lot of time and resin into getting her a solid Emblem build, and I don’t regret that. But yeah, she’s been an E bot since Neuv and Furina came out. As much as I love Neuvillette, he’s genuinely too strong. At C0, he feels pretty comparable to C2 Raiden against bosses and tanker mobs, and completely blows her out of the water in multi-wave content and hoards of trash mobs, which was always a weakness for her. I’d love to get back to using her as a DPS again, but I don’t know what it would take to do that. Her most common teams use all the same supports as any other ATK scaling Elemental DPS, so her teams don’t stand out from the crowd outside of her ease-of-use combined with nuke damage. I’m also really enjoying Navia right now, so that’s both sides of the Abyss covered, and Alhaitham’s ready to step in at anytime, too. Hell, I’ve started using Eula again as an on-fielder for a Furina/Raiden/Baizhu Hyperbloom team, and it actually feels pretty decent. I’ve been waiting for any excuse to use Eula for a very long time.
As a raiden main, she's one of the most overrated units in the game. Don't get me wrong, she's a good character but she's not S tier like nahida or kazuha like some people make it seem. People don't seem to understand that at c0 she's a driver not really a main dps, her damage at c0 is nowhere near actual hypercarries and that's fine bc her role is more of a half on field half off field support/battery/driver. At c2 yeah she's definitely carry level. For me she's an upper A tier
@@Azzywrld224 i wouldn't rank any 5* as S tier aside from nahida, kazuha and yelan. On fielders will always be less valuable as supports and even then alhaitham and neuvilette are objectively better than raiden (who mind you i still wouldn't put in S tier, though neuvi is as close as it gets for an on fielder and i can see an argument made for him)
I think we’re at the point where if you like the character it can be justified to pull for additional copies or weapon investment to make them better. I personally don’t use my raiden c0 since dendro options are more comfy / less rotation locked. With raiden you have to prioritize doing a rotation in a certain order and then getting everyone back to full energy to do it again, but I also like double hydro raiden teams (even pre-furina I was using yelan/XQ and kuki as last slot just so I don’t have to play circle impact, pretty solid team but probably better now with furina and a burst healer). Nilou teams and alhaitham teams have rotations but are less restrictive / punishing if you mess up the order.
I am really glad that even though she is one of your favourite you went over her downsides and value relative to current roaster She seems to suffer from similar issues to eula with the energy probalems, overkilling and dps distribution through out rotation like you demonstrated.
@@mickysaifnot really the case since some greedy TCs from KQM have been cal'd that in a lot of Raiden teams in sims and sheets she can burst off cooldown with just 180ER lol.
She isn't worth 400 pulls of course but I got one copy of her on the last rerun and I got one when her banner first ran, so I am getting C2 now because I have a guarantee.
I have C3R1 and unless against mostly single wave chambers I run Fischl or Yae instead of Sara. Yes, it's lower overall damage, especially with higher Raiden investment. But, swapping out Sara changes the team damage profile that I prefer for multiwave content (either by having a 2nd nuke via Yae or more consistent dps from Fischl). As always, sheet calcs is great for optimizing your team but it's not the full story.
yeah as much as i love Raiden, she definitely isn’t the best pick for multi-wave rooms in abyss… especially at c2+… BUT my c2 Raiden is still my go-to DPS pick for bosses/DPS checks in abyss! my fave team for her is a sunfire overvape variation w/ Bennett, Kazuha, and then either Yelan or Xingqiu… but now that Furina has been released sometimes i’ll put her in the hydro slot and swap out Kazuha for Jean to just absolutely delete boss health bars lol ✨
True. I have seen so many copium Venti's lover still think he's underrated and "Kazuha overrated just because he's better than Venti in current meta" lol.
Thanks, this is the question I have right now because I have Raiden and Nahida C0, and can only get C2 for one of them because I also want to get other characters. Nahida it is then.
I wanna know about how good Nahida C2 is too, also I don't see many people go for Nahida C3 as much as Raiden C3 either, not a big dmg increase I think
@@a-passerbyNahida c3 is pretty worthless as her own damage doesn't contribute that much to overall team DPS. For Nahida you should either go c0, c2 or c6, anything in between is a waste.
@@supernieva2419 Literally all of her cons are extremely beneficial so there's no bad stopping point. The closest to a bad stopping point she has is probably c5 because her own damage, whilst pretty good, is usually not the focus of the team. For most players, I'd recommend c2 as a general stopping point, but going beyond that is still beneficial. c1: Improves her buffing capabilities a lot c2: Makes it so that a non-teamwide healer can max out her buff and nearly doubles her damage c3: Improves her buffing capabilities a lot c4: Massively improves ER requirements c5: Increase her damage a decent amount c6: Gets rid of the requirement of running a healer in her teams as she is now one (the best one in the game actually). Also allows her to be played as a pretty insane hydro hypercarry.
As a c2 raiden owner i like to replace sara with fish At c2 level of investment fish is lower damage but in exchange you get a great battery ,sub dps and shield breaker (the team is way more versatile and it feels much better to play too) I strongly recommend to give this version a shot (Also this team prevents the overkilling enemies problem in abyss and feels much better in open world since you have a sub dps and battery)
@@mickysaif i personaly dont like yae because she feels even more cluncky than sara 😅( also you will be forced between losing bennet uptime or using yaes ult unbuffed . Both feel bad to me) My top pick is fish because of previoualy mentioned reasons But yelan or furina feel pretty good too
@@Archerrrrr-jz7iqYae Mikos skill and burst cool down are more aligned to Raiden. Maybe your rotation is wrong that's why you think Yae is clunky to Raiden.
Yup. Also, not sure how different the dmg even is without Sara's bufff when you also factor in Fischl's dmg is significantly higher than Sara's. Especially on fights like the Tulpa, Fischl just abuses her A4 in that fight.
I wish you could talk about chevreuse + C0vs C2 raiden comps too, i personally have c1 raiden and i will go for c2 because i am hunting sara cons and ofcourse chevreuse, its 50-50 so if i loose its good and if i win its even better but yeah i love to see video about raiden chevreuse bennet sara hypercarry comp and ofcourse national raiden but with chevreuse
I think you sound better. 😮 Yeah Raiden has some glaring issues with overkilling units and wasting damage. The initial slash restores 0 energy. So if that deletes the room you start with nothing in the next as you have demonstrated. I think Raiden teams with other carries work around her issues. For example Raiden + Navia. You don't want to waste a Burst on a low HP enemy but there still too tanky to kill with normal attacks? Use Navia. Or Raiden double Hydro with Yelan, Furina and Jean. That one in terms of energy feel extremely good. I do have a C3 Yelan and C3 Furina. So that is another story here. And C1 Yelan gives another charge. So that alone can help the energy economy so much. So even when I start a round with 0 energy I can still get regain my bursts very quickly. ~Foxfire
She has been powercrept. I chose to go for Navia instead because she has way more potential with future units ( Chiori) has a fun playstyle for her weapon type and has huge nuke damage
Only Lyney beats her in 8c speed run tournaments in CN. She took home 2nd and 3rd place because her hyper carry team is incredibly strong. Very much meta however they use C3R1 because that 3rd constellation is surprisingly strong but the Lyney has to be C6 to beat that so for value imo raiden hyper carry is one of the Lowest costs for vertical investment in the game since C3R1 is meta instead of C6
Why is Raiden C3 such a giant increase? I don't get anywhere near that much of a dps increase from my calcs Are you sure there wasn't a mistake anywhere? I'd like to see the math if possible
@@torbjornlindholm4098 yeah but it should be around ~80k dps and not 91k, that's a 30% boost which is insane I'm wondering if they accidentally put in EGL on top of that
@@Hezkunit was because c2 raiden was without 5* weapons and c3 raiden was with all 5* weapons. tgs was proving a point of showcases inflating the numbers
I still use my c2r1 Raiden almost every Abyss (and I've recently gone back to using her in overworld with double hydro as well) because despite having her since her first banner, I still enjoy her playstyle. So for me, the extra pulls were definitely worth it (especially since I won the 50/50 twice while pulling c2) but I definitely would not recommend others to pull past c0 unless they feel the same. I might even roll on her new banner and see if I can win the 50/50 for c3.
If were talking c2 pull value she definitely falls off because her constellation only affects herself, youre better off pulling for c2 nahida since she works with a variety team + your hyperbloom damage is similar to raidens burst (rotation time of course) overall makes the game less boring in the long run
When it comes to ANY hypercarry DPS, I say only go for C1 or C2 if you truly madly deeply adore the character AND they offer a good power spike or a life-changing QOL. I have a C2 Raiden on my secondary f2p account (with R5 Catch and not super cracked artifacts because of bad roll luck). In that same account I also have Alhaitham and C1 Neuvillette (both also with 4* weapons) which I have more fun with and I feel like they clear easier than her in current meta and for less investment. It doesn't mean she's bad at all because she and her teams are still broken today, though. I don't regret it since I got her C1 by accident and I was curious to see how she felt. I'd honestly only recommend her cons to people who REALLY, REALLY love playing her and aren't going to get tired of her playstyle in a few months. Personally, I don't plan to ever getting her cons on my main welkin-only account. IMHO the archons that are best to get their C2 are Nahida and/or Furina, with Raiden only if you're a big fan/simp. Nahida and Furina's cons don't only make them stronger but also buff their whole teams even more, while Raiden's only boosts her hypercarry dmg. So that's why I think that's a better investment to go for the support/sub-DPS archons than her. It's an unfair comparison because they have different roles to Raiden, I know. If C2 Raiden also shredded def to the rest of the team even a little, I'd jump at it for sure. I have and love C2 Furina, and I hope in future reruns I can catch Nahida's as well.
You can have my C4 Raiden when you pry her from my cold, dead fingers. Raiden National is just so synergistic, so easy to play, and still slaps to this day. I genuinely can't imagine going into an Abyss without it.
My Raiden is C0 and she's on my team that's core is Yae, Nahida, and Kuki. I needed an on fielder and tried a few different things out before settling on Raiden. At first, I had Fischl, but she's not an on fielder so I ended up using Yae on field and it didn't do anything since Yae's normals are underwhelming (they're leveled up to 3. Not too much but enough to see if it would be worth it. It wasn't) Then I tried Tighnari. He was pretty good, the dendro resonance was nice since the main benefit to quicken teams is that since it's a multi stage reaction, the damage increase is higher than vape. The only issue was he likes to stand still a lot and there's no shields on this team (I might actually try again with him for Hyperbloom or another quicken team with Kirara and Fischl) Then I tried C0 Raiden. Her ER made her own burst come up before the duration was even over and helps keep Yae's own expensive burst topped up which was a big proplem before and sometimes I just wouldn't use it in fear of it not recharging. The long rotation times required of Yae aren't even an issue since Raiden's skill lasts forever and she has an 11 second window between bursts which is more than I need. And her damage is even noticeable even on garbage artifacts, unlike the other two I tried which stole my other characters artifacts when I tested. So for me, I'll be pulling for C2 because it'll make this team even better and I can focus solely on my other teams while I farm emblem. And for what artifacts she has now, it's a 46% damage increase on her burst which is more than any C6 I saw for my characters. The only one close was Yae's at 44%, which would probably up her overall damage more, but it's a C6 vs a C2. even C0-C4 wouldn't increase my Ayaka's damage as much as either one. And no I don't have Alheithem, or I'd probably go with him for this team.
Lost me somewhere around 3:00 mark. Like you said Raiden is versatile. So then change teams and do different rotation if you are worried about VV not applying on 2nd wave cuz she delete the 1st wave so fast. And how come I didn't see a Dendro/Catalyze/aggravate/hyperbloom showcase on this video? A 100% yes C2 is worth it for me, no drama yes-ish bs answer. Pull for it if you want to it's a good investment. She works so well with so many existing characters. And would be great if she works well on so many future characters🎉🎉🎉
Finally! Finally someone said it, pointed out the exact flaw of Raiden. I have been telling the same thing since her release but 💩 kids told me how can dealing more nuke dmg be a flaw even after explaining how she generates ER.
She still remains a meta in vertical investment. the last continuous speed run tournament in CN with cash prizes in 8 costs, which is the category with you normally carry with raiden C2-C3 remained the second best DPS with front charge damage according to the chinese players. her traditional hyper raiden is still best team with a ton of time by far compared to other variants, so if you go pull for raiden C2-C3 you will too need sara C6 for her best team.
True. 1. On field dps - Losing buff uptime, no choice to switch out and lose dmg if tanking aggressive enemies, otherwise die. 2. Clunky dmg distribution (too much on the first few seconds too little after) - combined with the on field dps nature, and melee, this makes her awful against waves enemies especially when they spawn in different places 3. Attacks induces too much stagger -- ruin grouping. 4. Dmg only comes from burst - which would create awkward phase when enemies almost die after burst then you have to finish them doing random things and waste time because not worth use another burst on them. Basically, my C3 engulfing Raiden is having almost perpetual bench time. And my Yae (C2) basically replaces her and better (except high hp boss) because she has none of the aforementioned issues 1. Off field dps - easily could switch out without losing dmg and refresh buff and grouping, 2. Excellent dmg distribution - she has both front loaded and sustain dmg, multi waves, no wave, doesn't matter. 3. None of her attack mess up grouping - combined with off field dps with automated dmg, perfect synergy with Kazuha with low skill cd. 4. Not reliant on burst = no awkward phase finishing low HP enemies without burst.
Butterfer gets a lot a flack for his hyperbloom vid but on one of his recent streams he actually put it pretty well; C2 Raiden is a strong character. But she's not heads and shoulders above the other DPSes, especially when you do an equal amount of investment in them compared to how you would with Raiden.
Yeah jstern also talks about how people keep comparing c2 raiden to c0 5*s which causes the perceived difference, most characters with either signature or cons compare well with her.
I was planning on C2'ing Raiden, then a week ago decided I'm better off C2'ing my Nilou and pushing my C1 Yelan towards C6 every time she reruns. Hopefully I get my C3 Tighnari to C6 in the process as I think he's one of the most fun characters to play.
As a C2 Nilou haver I can say that it was indeed a very good investment. I also have C2 Yelan, and while I don't plan to C6 her, I can only imagine how broken that would be given how strong she already is at C2
@@m.frehmann7373 I'm just at the point in the game where I have a ton of decently built characters and just want to have fun. I haven't really enjoyed Fontaine so far minus picking up Furina :(
@@whyismynametaken123 yeah same, the game is just boring in terms of endgame content. My plan is to get arlecchino and then take a break… . C6 yelan also didn’t saved me from my burnout, that’s why I wouldn’t recommend it :(
@@m.frehmann7373 I felt the same when I received C3 Raiden. after that I can’t play with her outside the abyss. Everyone writes that Neuvillette is stronger and now I doubt whether it’s worth waiting for his rerun. I think this could kill any remaining interest in the combat content in the game.
I feel the exact same way, and she is my favorite character in the game as well. I started the game the month before her release specifically because I saw her design and she was the first 5 star I ever got. I went all in on her first banner and after failing to reach my goal, I saved for most of inazuma to get her C3 on her rerun in 2.5 and then saving for engulfing lighting in 3.3. I would say that she in the current meta, she is currently a pretty mid character, no longer so easy to play by comparison to other 5* carries and her utility is pretty niche, because half of her supporting power budget is placed in extra energy recharge, and with the way energy recharge works in the game, you either have enough energy recharge to get your burst back on cooldown, and it becomes your least valuable stat, or you don't, and it skyrockets in value. This means her energy refund only really makes a meaningful difference in your team power if you have an artifact set that trades out a specific amount of energy recharge that Raiden effectively provides, in exchange for offensive substats like crit rate and crit dmg. And, with artifact being the hell that it is, and no artifact loadouts, no sane person would do that. But I don't regret investing in her because, I was C1 with the Catch for like 5-6 months and that really made me appreciate the power difference that the jump to C3 provided. Those early constellations are necessary if you want to turn her from a niche tool in your toolbox into a swiss army knife for all kinds of content that relies on dps checks. Ever since I pulled her, despite getting a bunch of great new characters since, i have never gone through abyss without being able to find a good use for her in my teams (even if, for a lot of that period, it was on hyperbloom teams). But you should probably make peace with the fact that this isn't the most efficient way to turn your primos into account power anymore, and should only be considered for people who love Raiden and want to make her work.
People know that just don't wanna admit it, Specially for Alhaitham that some Dude is stronger than their Mommy Tho every character is gonna get Weaker sometime(except neuvillete ig) Who Knows Chlorinde and arlechino might be stronger than Alhaitham or Natlan characters(definitely 1 or 2) but People just dun wanna admit Ayaka,Hutao and Raiden are in a free fall of being out dated, Wrio overtook Ganyu, Lyney Overtook Yoimiya, Navia over took Itto, Furina over took Mona, Neuvi over took everyone, Arlechnio and Chlorinde might very well over take Hutao and Riden.
@@Fam98KK you should know that Al Haitham hyperbloom team still remain no.1 till now. Just last two abyss was Neuvillete at no.1. But current abyss again has Al Haitham hyperbloom at top 1. Since 3.4 this has been common. But since Neuvillete is easier to use, people just don't bother.
I have Nahida , Neuvillette and Alhaitham And C2R2 Raiden Shogun (she is my favourite and I got lucky on her pulls) , I Think this video is exaggerated. If you make a video like this about every character, all of them will have some flaws (I mean obviously, they need to balance the game right) Overall the fact that, 1) Her E is so freaking useful for elemental rxns 2) Her burst does crazy damage and refunds your other party members burst while having an interruption resistance Just make her amazing to play Also her C2 is literally the best constellation ingame , or one of the best , I think that’s something everyone agrees on
Get 1 copy and call it a day guys. She is still good at C0. I got her only in her 2nd rerun. Raiden changed my account with her versatility. She's not my fav character but still she's a top unit and can help clear abyss. These are some teams I use in abyss and clear 9 stars. AlH Raiden Nahida ZL Ayato Raiden Kazuha/Nahida ZL Raiden Yelan/Fischl Kazuha ZL/Bennett Raiden Yelan Jean Bennett/Furina
I have a C2 raiden +engulfing , when i want to clear the abyss from the phone i Always use her in National team. She still very strong and Easy to play for me
This is why i use Baizhu instead of bennett.yes i’ll lose a lot of DMG but now I have a perfect rotation that when Ei burst end kazu burst is ready then baizhu then sara + the dmg lost isn’t important cause every thing already dead in the end of rotation any way ✨
I think this is sort of a new player vs old player issue. New players who don't already have Raiden probably won't want to invest in her C2 when they could invest in a Nahida, Furina, etc. However, long time players that already have a C1 and above, may want to pick up an extra constellation or her signature weapon. Of course, we'll have to wait and see if Clorinde power creeps Raiden...
@@purp1e200 I mean, C0R1 ayaka or hu tao already outdps'd C2R1 raiden back in the day. Casual kids just overrated her to the moon because of how easy she was to play. Fontaine characters and alhaitham just made it more obvious because they too are very easy to play, but give faster clears than raiden too.
@purp1e200 lowkey agree, one thing that I liked about this game was that the game tried there hardest not to powercreep the old characters but that system is fading away in fontaine, I really hope they don't make a random human out dps a high constellation archon
@@banjoowo4001The only character for which you can make a reasonable argument about powercreep in fontaine is neuvillette. Other characters that came out in fontaine are pretty much in line with other carries. Raiden hyper didn't die in fontaine, she was already dead with sumeru when characters like alhaitham and nilou came out. Hell, probably even earlier with yelan coming out and considerably buffing hu tao.
I aggree with you, but ithis true for not only c2 Raiden, butt for every 5 star characters's low constelation. C2 Nahida, C2 Yelan, C2 Kazuha, c2 Furina do not worth 400 pull if you consider Neuvillette, Alhiatham and Navia c0 dmg or other suport characters. Of course, for a f2p or low spender player. There is nothing new in this discussion. Character constellations are not necessary. Not even 1 constellations are necessary. I only have Neuvillett c1 and Raiden c3, because I really like these characters. I'm f2p player.
Pull for who you like. Cons vs new characters has both arguments for and against it. If you have too many characters you won't use them all. Pulling cons for your faves can let them compete with meta teams or be made more flexible. Pulling cons for supports allows them to carry any bad unit you might want to play.
Even before Fontaine miden simps couldn't understand that ever her C2 can't match C0 Childe or C0 Hu Tao . But now we have Neuvillete , Furina who are better than C6 Miden
So can we finally admit that in non dendro teams pre c2 Raiden is not a good character? Even with her you’re still required to build ER on units that need ER like Eula or run multiple other fav characters like in the team. And she has like two teams where the energy generation was useful in Rational and Eula carry. And more often than not the Sucrose national version just miles ahead. XQ vaping his E twice with sac sword was already like almost Raiden’s entire damage window on field.
She's very much a good character, just not a good carry, those are not the same thing. But she's still a very good support/driver/battery at c0. Not broken in the slightest, not a must pull like some people say but still strong, comfy and id say solid A tier. She's replaceable but if we go by that hutao or alhaitham are also replaceable
@@EdenVixso by what metric is she a good or even useful character? Her entire reason is to battery but she can’t battery units to the point where they can to drop ER sands if they needed it. You also can’t drop fav weapons for damage buff weapons if you were reliant on fav. And in national getting rid of her entirely for sucrose is a damage increase. So what purpose does she serve?
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac I’m sure you could drop ER sands, it all depends on substats. She provides better survivability in National than Sucrose and she’s still a good carry, great personal damage, hyperbloom trigger, great driver and fits in many teams. Idk why you think she’s not good.
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac she can't battery extremely energy hungry characters but she can lower er recs which is a win, and she makes national braindead to play. I know most people know sucrose or other characters are an increase but a lot of people dont bother with specific rotations so they prefer raiden. I'm not saying her pull value is that high, i dont really think it is and i think she's pretty overrated by those who call her a must pull or even a carry at c0 but i think she's one of those characters that you won't regret pulling bc she'll still be versatile and does well wherever you put her even if its not optimal (kinda like ayato). I think she's good (just good, not broken) and useful bc i can use her anywhere and she'll still do very respectable damage and i think that's what a good character is. She's not top meta but she can clear abyss easily, keyword being easily, there's a bunch of characters that are bad or mid and you have to hyperinvest into them and bend over backwards your team to carry them, raiden is not like that
@@coffeemug1012 yeah thats whale territory and he at most calcs C2R1 for characters but it was nice to see how big of a difference the over invested teams do compared to our teams
lol i randomly got her c2 on my 2nd account after a 6 month break from genshin ( no where near pity & was a 50/50) i say if u love her go for it. she does amazing damage & its seriously so fun. my 2nd account is mainly 5* i dont have on my main ( besides raiden & my hu tao + the standards ) and i seriously enjoy playing her c2 as shes not my main anymore on my main acc. 100% go for it if u love raiden!!
I get bored with my characters way too fast, so I never invest my hard earn primogems for constellation. I prefer a bunch of C0 5stars characters than a few characters with constellation.
Same. In star rail I invest vertically because difficulty is higher and combat is not as fun for trying out different characters. But in Genshin I just want a new shiny toy every month. I have 23 lvl 90 characters after 2 years of playing
For a c2 character equipped with BiS 5* weapon...those are some very expensive requirements for those numbers at this point You are a simp and want to roll for her go ahead but getting constellation just to clear the 12 floor of the abyss its extremely silly
Flaws are good for game balance for me the problem is not raiden it's the new dpss hmm neuvillete hmm who have no down sides Wtf were they thinking why should I ever pull another dps after neuvillete are they stupid
My Raiden is C1, I recently lost a 50/50, and I have more than enough primos to go to pity. So I'm going for C2 because I can guarantee getting it day 1 of her rerun. Also my Bennett is C0, so it would be also worth investing in his Constellations as well. Two birds with one stone (3 if you count Sara) lol
Idk if yall just don't know how to cycle your rotations but my c2 r1 Raiden is easily my most trusted character ever. The is pretty much no abyss I don't use her national or hyper carry team in 🤷♀️
My c0 raiden is still quite fun to play with for both hyper and rational. With the addition of furina her double hydro is a fun comp. She hasnt really fallen off with huge frontloaded dmg, batterying your team and constant onfield electro dmg from e.
As a hypercarry she is basically an buffed electro Eula, which is not necessarily a good thing, and as a hyperbloom trigger she is only slightly better than Kuki in some comps
I may not have raiden but I’m getting her so I think my takes are abit valid (correct me if I’m wrong ) raiden is an electro unit and one of the best ones she is viable at c0 but c2 makes her a dps with the addition of dendro reactions which buffs electro units viablility electro is only used for application other than dps so I feel that raiden c2 has fallen of in her role as a dps because of how over tunes the Fontaine units are overtuned as hell so raiden dps has fallen off but raiden as a sub dps hasn’t because dendro is still viable
C2 Raiden will only ever fall off for me when both sides are immune to electro or something. She's been clearing every Abyss for me since her debut, and her side is always quite easy. Always having full energy back as long as she gets to finish her combo. And her ER refill to the team makes rotation smooth. Also interruption resistance even in the face of consecrated beasts. Number-wise, maybe she's less impressive than some, but I found her whole kit to be well thought-out and strong.
I never thought her playstyle was bad i just also never thought her damage was that great because i tired of farming emblem before i got to more reasonable standards for her artifacts. I wouldn’t mind having her C2 but more so i can enjoy using her when i do, but not going to force myself to get it i just already have C1 last i checked.
Based take I agree, as a c3 raiden haver she is still very strong, but there are a lot of other options out there now that can perform just as well if not better
Never saw the hype of Raiden C2 and never will. Character's like HuTao and Ganyu feel more rewarding to to pull off correctly and do more damage. Raiden's a good as a Eula support or hyperbloom unit - that's it.
I have found Raiden C2 Nahida, Furina, Jean(or Kazuha if you don't need to heal) , just as powerful as any other team for her and is way more comfortable imo My Raiden is at C0 btw.
If somehow you can exchange some sort of currency for constellation only then I'd like a Raiden C2, but as things are now, I wouldn't trade 2 potential new characters for just damage increase, albeit very huge damage increase
I've always preferred to use Raiden in a dual carry team, rather than as a sole carry. Sole carry Raiden relies too much on her burst and the buffs, and makes how she fuels the team less impactful. When it comes to things like electro-charged and aggravate, there just are better electro options. And I think usage shows this... hypercarry Raiden has never been huge. But give her another DPS to share time with, one that is energy hungry, and ideally some other energy hungry teammates, and you come out ahead. And sure, now you are out a buffer, so your peak isn't as high, but the valley isn't as low anymore either. Basically, if the team that has Raiden doing direct damage (as opposed to triggering blooms) doesn't want Raiden's energy regen , why is it even bothering with Raiden?
I played since 1.0, then when raiden come out i played her with bennet and xiangling for soo long, then i realise that childe internasional just better in any aspect. So i stop playing her till now
Disagree with you on the energy part. I have c3r1 raiden and I never have energy problems yall just want to nuke everything and that is a YOU problem 😂. You don't always have to use all the buffs to finish the chamber instead you use half or less and then burst with raiden making sure she doesn't one shot everything and have time for some normal attacks so you can recover energy. Her burst is not hard to recover since you'll always have her with around 260 ER and it'll be easier if you have EL. And literally EVERY TEAM will suffer from ER problems if you're not careful on how you end the chamber
She's fine as a carry even at c0. I played her a lot. Taser, aggravate, even "hyper" but with Yelan instead of Sara. She's fine if you know how to play. Constellations are never worth on this game.
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6:22 is it raiden c0 and would you still recommend raiden?
Does chevrruese fix some of raidens issues ?
The flaws of other dps are more noticeable now after overturned neuvillette release
They were always there, but it was thought that they were balanced around those flaws.
Then Neuvillette comes and does everything.
I'd be saltier about it if his gameplay wasn't so dull.
@@el7284Genshin is basically a variety of different ways to left click, idk what u expected with neuvillette
@@el7284nevulette is basically more mobile hydro ganyu
Looks like you missed alhaitham. :P
I did an abyss run with my friend's c0r1 Neuvillette and it ... I mean it was hilarious how much he massacred everything, but gosh that gameplay sure wouldn't draw me in.
I skipped he and Furina for Raiden and will probably skip Nahida too (though I'll absolutely get Furina on her rerun)
Like at the end of the day as much as I enjoy theorycrafting stuff, this is an easy game, and I so much more enjoy vertically investing in the characters that excite me and are fun to play than just following a KQM rotation with the most meta teams. Nahida is fully cracked and I absolutely get it but I don't like her gameplay at all and the power spike isn't worth cringing every time she goes from DDR dance to T-pose run
Imo Raiden is the best 'feeling' on-field DPS in the game.
No stagger, AT ALL.
Smooth and fast NA combo and CA. Great AoE.
Front load and continuous damage. Helps with other team members possible ER issues.
Other chars may do more dmg but no one else feels as good to use and I think that's important.
nope its neuvi
@@ashenzenden i don't recall Neuvi restoring er for party members? (lol he is an one man army) but for god's sake, Raiden does dmg+restore energy making her valuable as well.
@@ashenzendennuh uh
That is so cope, neuvi ar c1 feels way better than raiden, raiden feels meh
Holy shit! I just learned VV don't work off-field, I thought since Jean/Sucrose burst swirl a long time, I was getting the shred, and I was doing the rotation totally wrong! Thanks!
Tysm!!!! I’ve been digging for this content high and low recently. Thank you for always releasing content that i need and want
I think her c2 is quite a game changer for those who absolutely love her, but if she's not your favorite I cant reccomend going for her cons at all when Nahida or Furina exist now and a more varied selection of characters youd rather use your rolls on like Nilou, Neuvi, Kazuha or Yelan. She's still worth picking up at c0 though!
I agree.
cos you end up playing her for few months and then switching to the next carry.
I am also against Nahi and Furi c2 cos I overbuild my chars and then its just not fun anymore
Agreed! 💯
you really thought we wouldn't notice that you snuck in nilou in there
She’s absolutley my favorite character, currently I have her at c0r1, however, I am at a nearly 260 crit value build on my artifacts. By far my best built character I have. I feel like I need her c2 so I can let her shine!
C2 Nahida, Furina and Kazuha are just a much better investment than raiden c2
She was the character that baited me to this game! Never regretted getting her C2!
Same goes for me, but… I’ll probably just get C0, since Nahida is, first of all, cheaper, since I only need her once, and she’s also much less replaceable. And I also don’t have enough pulls for C2) I love Raiden, but… probably next banner.
Sameee she’s my favorite character ever. Im proud thats she’s top 3% but ill keep trying to upgrade her more
Update with 9 pitty after navia i got C3 raiden 😭😭♥️♥️♥️
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@@Zyyd_ i am at C1, no guarantee and no primos…
My goat, discovered your channel a week or so ago and it has helped me so damn much!
I have her c3 and she was really strong back then. She is still strong, but my experience with c0 Navia made me realize how big their difference is relative to their cost of pulling and team building.
c0 navia > c0 raiden but c2 raiden > c2 navida with a small diff
@@BlazeGamerThat's only really the case on paper. But as we've all seen in practical testing, navia performs significantly better than paper suggests due to huge amounta of frontload in her kit.
There really shouldn't be an investment level at which raiden does better than navia.
@@fennecnation138 na im taking that on account, raiden on paper destroys navia
@@BlazeGamerWhere are you even getting that info lmao? C2 raiden hyper is like a 70-72k dps team, C0 navia teams can go up to like 65k, and navia gains around 30% from C1 and C2.
Where is this supposed destruction happening?
@@fennecnation138 65k is unrealistic its the theoretical limit, and her c2 is not even close to 30% dps increase its at best conditions 20% which ia not reliable, not mentioning navia has a lot of magrin for error and uncertainty each rotation while raiden is consistent
i have c6 raiden for waifu reasons
and i kept saying to newer player, chasing after c2 raiden is like you invest big on an older dps. Power creeping exist and my c0 neuvilette easily out damage my raiden. Plus, you always could constellation that new dps on future banner. Imagine yourself having c4 neu or c6 navia in few years, it will easily out damage your c2 raiden that cant grow with more constellations. Btw im not just talking about investment=gacha, goodluck spending months and years on emblem domain for raidens relic 😕. Getting those 250-270%ER with decent attack and crit ratio isnt the same at all as farming for xiangling and xingqiu. Best scenario is you are f2p that want to use national team and have the catch (but then why you spend so many fates to c2 her lmao, better get c0 furina, c0 nahida, c0neu, etc).
but if i saying this people will say im gatekeeping them from raiden lol.
neuvi is just insane
wait your c0 neuvi outdamages raiden?
@@lekoesic she only deal higher nukes and thats it. cant compete with that huge long everlasting hydropump
@@soyo_te4465 man i was planning on pulling for her c2 after saving for 140+ fates... guesd i'll just save them
I hope Chevreuse kinda helps with a lot of her "issues," being that her buffs aren't circle impact and she doesn't need to be on-field to trigger the ATK buff, electro & pyro shred, and the electro and pyro damage bonus at c6. Now we just need some more pyro off-fielders or maybe Xiangling and Thoma (and Dehya?) are enough.
@@marcusaurelius4777dude calm down
@marcusaurelius4777 I think they were saying they hope Chevy helps solve Raiden's issues, not that Chevy has issues herself.
@@csatt13 Chevy 😂😂😂😂😂
@user-iw2vf7pb7s Bennet is better used with Xianling, so, yeah, definitely need another off-field pyro.
@@marcusaurelius4777you're mistaking the comment's meaning. OP is saying that Chevreuse would help Raiden's issues, not saying the other way around that Chevreuse has issues with Raiden.
Raiden's gonna be goated for aure
She did not fall off, there are just more alternatives and mechanics which keep getting added and it's healthy for the game.
Otherwise we all would still be using only Ganyu like the past old days 😊
I have been enjoying my C3 Raiden with a lot of characters since release, she has almost endless teams to try.
My first character i spent money for and i have absolutely zero regrets.
For sure, she DID fall off
@@Alhaitham195 She fell off of pull priority, but she's actually even better than she was on release because of double hydro and hybrid builds. She's better, but there's better and cheaper options now. If her c2 was c1, I'd still say it would be a good pull. Edit: good pull only if you like her LOL. Pulling a main dps type character in general is only good if you like them and/or their playstyle.
@wellwellwell881 Yeah I have her c6, my biggest regret
Bruh her C2 team dps is like C0 haitham or hu tao teams, how did she not fall off lmao
@@musicaddict9058 C0 Hu Tao is not comparable to C0 Alhaitham or C2 Raiden lmfao
C1 maybe, but not C0
C4 Raiden owner here. I don't regret getting her cons but at this point where we're at in the game, I think it's not necessary anymore unless you're simping hard for her. I'd love to trade my Eula cons for Furina and Nahida's C2 if I could as well lol.
Isn’t Eula’s best constellation Furina c2😂
@@Marz333Besides her c6 lmao
@@Marz333 eula's best team is hyperbloom too (at c0) which is rly funny ngl 🤣
I think it can be summarized as;
She's still really good, she's just not AS standout compared to everyone else anymore now that we have characters like Alhaitham and Neuvillette who compete with her, so C2 is usually only worth it if you really like her style.
IMO it's better this way. More options in a game is always good.
add to that the fact that a bunch of other characters at c2 will do similarly or better. if you like her it can be very worth it but if youre doing it for meta reasons, pulling some charactres at c0 can be better and if oure going for cons then getting cons for those will be way better
I wouldn't call a C2 character that barely competes with C0 of the other characters really good.
@@fennecnation138 Good thing that's not Raiden lmao. Literally the only character in the game that fulfills that criteria is Alhaitham who we all know is busted. Even Neuv wants C1 to hit his peak.
@@jjilatt123 just because neuvillettes c1 is insane doesnt mean he isnt at least just as good as haitham at c0
@@moritz4026 Nah I'd personally z
say Alhaitham's better than Neuv at C0 personally. Maybe in heavy AoE they're similar but in anything less I don't see a scenario where I'd prefer C0 Neuv unless you're running him with C2 Furina or something.
Keep in mind I have both and at R1.
A lot of this makes a lot of sense, but what gets me sometimes is "well she's bad at multi-wave small target floors" and the like held up as big negatives.
Lots of characters are bad at that, there's basically always a boss side of abyss and you should have an AOE team set up for that.
The argument of "the investment in c2 is not worth it vs c0 of three other characters" is super sound. It's not at all going to power spike your account the same way, and I'm saying that as someone who has saved 700 pulls for c3r1 while fully knowing it is not a good investment.
But calling her *bad* is a different level, like if your goal is to make purple lady do big smashy, she's still really capable of doing that, if you like her you're not gonna regret it, but it's absolutely a bad idea if you just are looking for power.
Personally she's my favourite character and I hated having her being stuck as an off field skill bot for a cabbage patch kid, so I'm gonna enjoy my nukes xD
who called her bad?
@@RafaelBelvederese various people in the comments
@@maevethefox5912 since you seem to be a smart person, you are better off just ignoring those, along with the simps defending their $200 investment at any cost. they both leave comments driven by emotions, without reason.
Don’t put shade on Nahida because she made Raiden obsolete😭
@RafaelBelvederese I get baffled by how personally some people take an easy single player game.
Like I'm no simp, but I've absolutely spent $200 towards Raiden, and the closest to justifing it I'll do is "I'm not poor and I think she's neat"
Like you don't gotta convince randoms on the internet it's the best choice in every possible way. "I wanted to play purple lady and not green toddler" is good enough
Nah is all about comfy, her playstyle is so satisfying and so easy to play with full resistance interruption.
Also her dmg is not just front-loaded dmg, her charged atk in burst mode hit like 120k
Average 120k CAs with c2 is significantly higher than normal thats c3 hypercarry team with all 5 star weapons
@@tropicar6942because it hits twice per charge 60k x 2
@@tropicar6942 A good Raiden c3r1 reaches over 200k per CA.
@@sleykun8637 200k per CA is giga whale setup bro. c3 r1 could never reach that unless using food buff with boss debuff or event buff. my c6 r3 raiden with c2 kazuha r4 sworn can only reach 150k per CA in abyss
@@kapparex4959 No? You must have Raiden pretty badly built if your CA in C3R1 doesn't reach 100kx2.
I've been maining Raiden ever since 2.1, clearing every single abyss with her.💜
Her damage at C0 may not be quite on par with Tao, Alhaitham or Neuvillette, but it doesn't need to be bc of her superior supportive capabilities, flexibility and comfort factor.
She's a perfectly designed unit with amazing vertical investment options as a cherry on top. If you enjoy her unique quickswap nuking+enabling playstyle, you'll never regret investing into her, I'm sure.
I think in quick swap nuking category navia powercreeped her
@@the_knave01 She doesn't have any utility. They are ust doing different thing. I think if we talking about Geo, Raiden is much closer to Noelle then to Navia in the way she interact with the team.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 i was talking about quick nuking potential. Noelle/itto is obviously time hungry on fielder
@@the_knave01 Yes, but this is why I think Raiden is closer to Noelle, but not just because time, but because she is an on-filed charatcer who give utitlity to the team by being on field. Noelle heals the team and apply geo - Raiden restore energy and apply electro. Both charatcer's kit is not centered around only dealing damage, but around haveing decent damage + something else.
Navia on the otherhand is a damage dealer first and formost, she is really good espeically because the front-load (2-3. times), but she have a different purpose in the team compered to Raiden. I really love my Navia, so flexible and if we only talking about quick-swap damage she is just flat out better then Raiden, she doesn'T need her burst for it and she can do it multiple times in one rotation.
And then Itto who are a classic hypercarry with zero flexibility and very high on-field time. Noelle not just have more utitly but can swap out because her burst doesn'T go away, but I guess in this Itto and Raiden is close to each other.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 mm you really like your noelle I see. Yes as a geo she is quite flexible indeed.
Between my raiden and navia i like navia more because while raiden is flex, i feel odd when i pull out bennett and kazuha from the team, i use cookie in hyperbloom and then it becomes restricted.
Navia can be quite flex herself as a solo geo without losing much potential.
As much as Raiden is one of my favorite characters and would appreciate the c2 damage increase, her damage is enough at C0. I mainly use her in a hybrid quickbloom build or double hydro, and the damage is far from lacking. I used to want it a lot, and still kinda do, but I'm a bit of a collector and would prefer to get some of the new characters instead. Xianyun, Chiori, Arlecchino, and Clorinde are all coming soon. Maybe Clorinde will also fulfill that hypercarry role at c0 better than Raiden, seeing as she's the top duelist of Fontaine. Technically lore-wise Raiden should be stronger, but sometimes gacha powercreep>lore.
C0 I can only do 175k maybe cuz my build is bad but I’m planning on getting c2 this rerun to see the difference
I've been searching info about how worth It is C2 raiden nowadays now that her rerun is in a few days, i learned so much about this vid and as shes my favourite character ill go for her C2 r1 or possibly c3. Thanks for all the useful information! Great video!!
I went for c2
if you like her just go for it. I always like her vanilla playstyle and never got bored playing her in years. I enjoy her c2 more on helping random coops, theyre reaction from one shotting everything is hilarious
i think i can relate. I love the vanilla playstyle of Yoimiya and Ayato, i never get bored of it 🥰
I liked raiden so much that I spent half of my primos for her c3 + r1 weapon in 2022 and farmed 16 months straight for a good emblem set, her dmg is still absolutely insane but now seeing my c1 Neuv with a 4* weapon doing even more dmg sometimes while also being satisfying to play feels weird
Ouch
i only pull for waifus
@@arceptor my man
@@arceptorNerd 🤓
Absolutely agree. As a C2 Raiden haver, I rarely use her now. The overkilling and losing out on energy regen is a definite real thing you run into, and in her hyper team, it makes you conscious of using her burst to tidy up enemies, but outside her burst window the team damage is kinda painful so when you aren't efficiently ending things after regening energy, it can feel kinda clunky. That said, she was the first 5* I intentionally got cons for, and since have only done it for C2 Nahida and Furina, and C1 Neuv, so she at least set the bar for what I was willing to go for constellation-wise which was a nice barometer to have.
Which is better c2 nahida or c2 raiden
just for information, I think you meant parameter instead of barometer. Barometer is a tool to measure atmospheric pressure
i got her c2r1 today. after saving for almost a year, i couldn't be happier
I enjoyed playing Raiden for a long time, and invested a lot of time and resin into getting her a solid Emblem build, and I don’t regret that. But yeah, she’s been an E bot since Neuv and Furina came out. As much as I love Neuvillette, he’s genuinely too strong. At C0, he feels pretty comparable to C2 Raiden against bosses and tanker mobs, and completely blows her out of the water in multi-wave content and hoards of trash mobs, which was always a weakness for her.
I’d love to get back to using her as a DPS again, but I don’t know what it would take to do that. Her most common teams use all the same supports as any other ATK scaling Elemental DPS, so her teams don’t stand out from the crowd outside of her ease-of-use combined with nuke damage. I’m also really enjoying Navia right now, so that’s both sides of the Abyss covered, and Alhaitham’s ready to step in at anytime, too. Hell, I’ve started using Eula again as an on-fielder for a Furina/Raiden/Baizhu Hyperbloom team, and it actually feels pretty decent. I’ve been waiting for any excuse to use Eula for a very long time.
As a raiden main, she's one of the most overrated units in the game. Don't get me wrong, she's a good character but she's not S tier like nahida or kazuha like some people make it seem. People don't seem to understand that at c0 she's a driver not really a main dps, her damage at c0 is nowhere near actual hypercarries and that's fine bc her role is more of a half on field half off field support/battery/driver. At c2 yeah she's definitely carry level. For me she's an upper A tier
shes SSSS rank for me. i just like her character
Oh she’s definitely s tier
@@Azzywrld224 i wouldn't rank any 5* as S tier aside from nahida, kazuha and yelan. On fielders will always be less valuable as supports and even then alhaitham and neuvilette are objectively better than raiden (who mind you i still wouldn't put in S tier, though neuvi is as close as it gets for an on fielder and i can see an argument made for him)
I think we’re at the point where if you like the character it can be justified to pull for additional copies or weapon investment to make them better. I personally don’t use my raiden c0 since dendro options are more comfy / less rotation locked. With raiden you have to prioritize doing a rotation in a certain order and then getting everyone back to full energy to do it again, but I also like double hydro raiden teams (even pre-furina I was using yelan/XQ and kuki as last slot just so I don’t have to play circle impact, pretty solid team but probably better now with furina and a burst healer). Nilou teams and alhaitham teams have rotations but are less restrictive / punishing if you mess up the order.
Interesting how the changes to the enemies had about as much effect as new gear and character choices
Thanks for the nice calc graphs!
I mean prime example is venti
He is either work very well or complete deadweight depend on what enemy line up they have
She is the very reason why i started genshin so ye, getting her is a must 😂❤
I am really glad that even though she is one of your favourite you went over her downsides and value relative to current roaster
She seems to suffer from similar issues to eula with the energy probalems, overkilling and dps distribution through out rotation like you demonstrated.
honestly the energy problems aren't as bad because you typically build her with 250+ er
energy problems...?
I mean it is only happenes if you overkill the enemise. C0 Raiden should not have this problem, at least this was the pint TGS made.
@@mickysaifnot really the case since some greedy TCs from KQM have been cal'd that in a lot of Raiden teams in sims and sheets she can burst off cooldown with just 180ER lol.
She isn't worth 400 pulls of course but I got one copy of her on the last rerun and I got one when her banner first ran, so I am getting C2 now because I have a guarantee.
that's the way to go.
Basically same but I’m on a 50/50 😮 hope I win with the pulls I have
@@ShadowStyle369 Good luck with your pulls.
I have C3R1 and unless against mostly single wave chambers I run Fischl or Yae instead of Sara.
Yes, it's lower overall damage, especially with higher Raiden investment. But, swapping out Sara changes the team damage profile that I prefer for multiwave content (either by having a 2nd nuke via Yae or more consistent dps from Fischl).
As always, sheet calcs is great for optimizing your team but it's not the full story.
Worth up to 270 wishes + 90 energy just to get contested by one skill damage button umbrella warfare
get some game knowledge
Navia is modern day Eula. The random pellet mechanic plus CRIT or no CRIT such a throwback to 1.5
yeah as much as i love Raiden, she definitely isn’t the best pick for multi-wave rooms in abyss… especially at c2+…
BUT my c2 Raiden is still my go-to DPS pick for bosses/DPS checks in abyss! my fave team for her is a sunfire overvape variation w/ Bennett, Kazuha, and then either Yelan or Xingqiu… but now that Furina has been released sometimes i’ll put her in the hydro slot and swap out Kazuha for Jean to just absolutely delete boss health bars lol ✨
Exactly. Of course she's not gonna be great if used in situations she isn't built for.
It's funny how different between Raiden mains and Venti mains.
Raiden mains just accept the fact she's not that good anymore. Venti mains don't.
True. I have seen so many copium Venti's lover still think he's underrated and "Kazuha overrated just because he's better than Venti in current meta" lol.
She is still good lol
Nuivelette is better than her but
That doesn't mean she is bad
Just tell you just have skill issue
my solo damage went from 98k -> 138k -> 165k with c0r1 c2r1 and c3r1 so id say savinf from the last banner was quite worth it
Thanks, this is the question I have right now because I have Raiden and Nahida C0, and can only get C2 for one of them because I also want to get other characters. Nahida it is then.
I wanna know about how good Nahida C2 is too, also I don't see many people go for Nahida C3 as much as Raiden C3 either, not a big dmg increase I think
@@a-passerbyNahida c3 is pretty worthless as her own damage doesn't contribute that much to overall team DPS. For Nahida you should either go c0, c2 or c6, anything in between is a waste.
@@voii0777 Thx!!
@@voii0777what about furina wats she's best cons
@@supernieva2419 Literally all of her cons are extremely beneficial so there's no bad stopping point. The closest to a bad stopping point she has is probably c5 because her own damage, whilst pretty good, is usually not the focus of the team. For most players, I'd recommend c2 as a general stopping point, but going beyond that is still beneficial.
c1: Improves her buffing capabilities a lot
c2: Makes it so that a non-teamwide healer can max out her buff and nearly doubles her damage
c3: Improves her buffing capabilities a lot
c4: Massively improves ER requirements
c5: Increase her damage a decent amount
c6: Gets rid of the requirement of running a healer in her teams as she is now one (the best one in the game actually). Also allows her to be played as a pretty insane hydro hypercarry.
As a c2 raiden owner i like to replace sara with fish
At c2 level of investment fish is lower damage but in exchange you get a great battery ,sub dps and shield breaker (the team is way more versatile and it feels much better to play too)
I strongly recommend to give this version a shot
(Also this team prevents the overkilling enemies problem in abyss and feels much better in open world since you have a sub dps and battery)
true you can replace sara with fischl or yae in those multi wave situations which tgs mentioned
@@mickysaif i personaly dont like yae because she feels even more cluncky than sara 😅( also you will be forced between losing bennet uptime or using yaes ult unbuffed .
Both feel bad to me)
My top pick is fish because of previoualy mentioned reasons
But yelan or furina feel pretty good too
@@Archerrrrr-jz7iq i disagree. Yae is such an easy character to use. Throw her skill every so often and swap out
@@Archerrrrr-jz7iqYae Mikos skill and burst cool down are more aligned to Raiden. Maybe your rotation is wrong that's why you think Yae is clunky to Raiden.
Yup. Also, not sure how different the dmg even is without Sara's bufff when you also factor in Fischl's dmg is significantly higher than Sara's. Especially on fights like the Tulpa, Fischl just abuses her A4 in that fight.
I wish you could talk about chevreuse + C0vs C2 raiden comps too, i personally have c1 raiden and i will go for c2 because i am hunting sara cons and ofcourse chevreuse, its 50-50 so if i loose its good and if i win its even better but yeah i love to see video about raiden chevreuse bennet sara hypercarry comp and ofcourse national raiden but with chevreuse
I think you sound better. 😮
Yeah Raiden has some glaring issues with overkilling units and wasting damage. The initial slash restores 0 energy. So if that deletes the room you start with nothing in the next as you have demonstrated.
I think Raiden teams with other carries work around her issues. For example Raiden + Navia. You don't want to waste a Burst on a low HP enemy but there still too tanky to kill with normal attacks? Use Navia. Or Raiden double Hydro with Yelan, Furina and Jean. That one in terms of energy feel extremely good. I do have a C3 Yelan and C3 Furina. So that is another story here. And C1 Yelan gives another charge. So that alone can help the energy economy so much. So even when I start a round with 0 energy I can still get regain my bursts very quickly. ~Foxfire
She has been powercrept. I chose to go for Navia instead because she has way more potential with future units ( Chiori) has a fun playstyle for her weapon type and has huge nuke damage
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@@Merquitarika
Can't accept reality? 🤡
@@grass_rock 🤡
Raiden powercrept? U serious bro?😂
Just say you like Navia’s playstyle more and stop making yourself look like a clown 🤡
You don't even have her 😂
Only Lyney beats her in 8c speed run tournaments in CN. She took home 2nd and 3rd place because her hyper carry team is incredibly strong. Very much meta however they use C3R1 because that 3rd constellation is surprisingly strong but the Lyney has to be C6 to beat that so for value imo raiden hyper carry is one of the Lowest costs for vertical investment in the game since C3R1 is meta instead of C6
C2 Raiden + C6 Sara + Kazuha + C5 bennett just for 70k dps is not a good sell 😭😭😭
Why is Raiden C3 such a giant increase? I don't get anywhere near that much of a dps increase from my calcs
Are you sure there wasn't a mistake anywhere? I'd like to see the math if possible
@@HezkunIt’s around a 18-20% increase (almost all the team damage comes from Raiden in the hypercarry variant so it’s quite a big increase for a C3)
@@torbjornlindholm4098 yeah but it should be around ~80k dps and not 91k, that's a 30% boost which is insane
I'm wondering if they accidentally put in EGL on top of that
@@Hezkunit was because c2 raiden was without 5* weapons and c3 raiden was with all 5* weapons. tgs was proving a point of showcases inflating the numbers
@@mishkaxp8 ohhh it had the wep, thanks a lot for telling, that actually makes it really clear now
I still use my c2r1 Raiden almost every Abyss (and I've recently gone back to using her in overworld with double hydro as well) because despite having her since her first banner, I still enjoy her playstyle. So for me, the extra pulls were definitely worth it (especially since I won the 50/50 twice while pulling c2) but I definitely would not recommend others to pull past c0 unless they feel the same. I might even roll on her new banner and see if I can win the 50/50 for c3.
If were talking c2 pull value she definitely falls off because her constellation only affects herself, youre better off pulling for c2 nahida since she works with a variety team + your hyperbloom damage is similar to raidens burst (rotation time of course) overall makes the game less boring in the long run
When it comes to ANY hypercarry DPS, I say only go for C1 or C2 if you truly madly deeply adore the character AND they offer a good power spike or a life-changing QOL. I have a C2 Raiden on my secondary f2p account (with R5 Catch and not super cracked artifacts because of bad roll luck). In that same account I also have Alhaitham and C1 Neuvillette (both also with 4* weapons) which I have more fun with and I feel like they clear easier than her in current meta and for less investment. It doesn't mean she's bad at all because she and her teams are still broken today, though. I don't regret it since I got her C1 by accident and I was curious to see how she felt.
I'd honestly only recommend her cons to people who REALLY, REALLY love playing her and aren't going to get tired of her playstyle in a few months. Personally, I don't plan to ever getting her cons on my main welkin-only account. IMHO the archons that are best to get their C2 are Nahida and/or Furina, with Raiden only if you're a big fan/simp. Nahida and Furina's cons don't only make them stronger but also buff their whole teams even more, while Raiden's only boosts her hypercarry dmg. So that's why I think that's a better investment to go for the support/sub-DPS archons than her. It's an unfair comparison because they have different roles to Raiden, I know. If C2 Raiden also shredded def to the rest of the team even a little, I'd jump at it for sure. I have and love C2 Furina, and I hope in future reruns I can catch Nahida's as well.
You can have my C4 Raiden when you pry her from my cold, dead fingers.
Raiden National is just so synergistic, so easy to play, and still slaps to this day. I genuinely can't imagine going into an Abyss without it.
My Raiden is C0 and she's on my team that's core is Yae, Nahida, and Kuki. I needed an on fielder and tried a few different things out before settling on Raiden.
At first, I had Fischl, but she's not an on fielder so I ended up using Yae on field and it didn't do anything since Yae's normals are underwhelming (they're leveled up to 3. Not too much but enough to see if it would be worth it. It wasn't)
Then I tried Tighnari. He was pretty good, the dendro resonance was nice since the main benefit to quicken teams is that since it's a multi stage reaction, the damage increase is higher than vape. The only issue was he likes to stand still a lot and there's no shields on this team (I might actually try again with him for Hyperbloom or another quicken team with Kirara and Fischl)
Then I tried C0 Raiden. Her ER made her own burst come up before the duration was even over and helps keep Yae's own expensive burst topped up which was a big proplem before and sometimes I just wouldn't use it in fear of it not recharging. The long rotation times required of Yae aren't even an issue since Raiden's skill lasts forever and she has an 11 second window between bursts which is more than I need. And her damage is even noticeable even on garbage artifacts, unlike the other two I tried which stole my other characters artifacts when I tested.
So for me, I'll be pulling for C2 because it'll make this team even better and I can focus solely on my other teams while I farm emblem. And for what artifacts she has now, it's a 46% damage increase on her burst which is more than any C6 I saw for my characters. The only one close was Yae's at 44%, which would probably up her overall damage more, but it's a C6 vs a C2. even C0-C4 wouldn't increase my Ayaka's damage as much as either one.
And no I don't have Alheithem, or I'd probably go with him for this team.
The only thing that’s broken is my heart when I realise she’s not real and not mine 😢
Lost me somewhere around 3:00 mark. Like you said Raiden is versatile. So then change teams and do different rotation if you are worried about VV not applying on 2nd wave cuz she delete the 1st wave so fast. And how come I didn't see a Dendro/Catalyze/aggravate/hyperbloom showcase on this video? A 100% yes C2 is worth it for me, no drama yes-ish bs answer. Pull for it if you want to it's a good investment. She works so well with so many existing characters. And would be great if she works well on so many future characters🎉🎉🎉
Finally! Finally someone said it, pointed out the exact flaw of Raiden. I have been telling the same thing since her release but 💩 kids told me how can dealing more nuke dmg be a flaw even after explaining how she generates ER.
She still remains a meta in vertical investment.
the last continuous speed run tournament in CN with cash prizes in 8 costs, which is the category with you normally carry with raiden C2-C3 remained the second best DPS with front charge damage according to the chinese players.
her traditional hyper raiden is still best team with a ton of time by far compared to other variants, so if you go pull for raiden C2-C3 you will too need sara C6 for her best team.
The good thing is that Sara always come with the Raiden banners, so you'll end up getting her c6
True.
1. On field dps - Losing buff uptime, no choice to switch out and lose dmg if tanking aggressive enemies, otherwise die.
2. Clunky dmg distribution (too much on the first few seconds too little after) - combined with the on field dps nature, and melee, this makes her awful against waves enemies especially when they spawn in different places
3. Attacks induces too much stagger -- ruin grouping.
4. Dmg only comes from burst - which would create awkward phase when enemies almost die after burst then you have to finish them doing random things and waste time because not worth use another burst on them.
Basically, my C3 engulfing Raiden is having almost perpetual bench time. And my Yae (C2) basically replaces her and better (except high hp boss) because she has none of the aforementioned issues
1. Off field dps - easily could switch out without losing dmg and refresh buff and grouping,
2. Excellent dmg distribution - she has both front loaded and sustain dmg, multi waves, no wave, doesn't matter.
3. None of her attack mess up grouping - combined with off field dps with automated dmg, perfect synergy with Kazuha with low skill cd.
4. Not reliant on burst = no awkward phase finishing low HP enemies without burst.
Wow, this is actually the exact question I've been wondering about for the past week. Great video!
Butterfer gets a lot a flack for his hyperbloom vid but on one of his recent streams he actually put it pretty well; C2 Raiden is a strong character. But she's not heads and shoulders above the other DPSes, especially when you do an equal amount of investment in them compared to how you would with Raiden.
Yeah jstern also talks about how people keep comparing c2 raiden to c0 5*s which causes the perceived difference, most characters with either signature or cons compare well with her.
@@luminous3558i mean why would you compair c0 vs c2 in the first place thats just bias tbh
shes still only barely better than c0 alhaitham and c0 hutao with 3-4 star weap with c2r1 investment on shogun.
@@luminous3558 yet her C2 R1 loses if not equal or only slightly better to a C0 Neuv R1, amazing balancing
@@keku52 You missed the part where Raiden has frontload dps and Neuvi doesn't. You have to look at the whole picture and not just one number.
I was planning on C2'ing Raiden, then a week ago decided I'm better off C2'ing my Nilou and pushing my C1 Yelan towards C6 every time she reruns. Hopefully I get my C3 Tighnari to C6 in the process as I think he's one of the most fun characters to play.
kinda regret yelans c6 cuz u really dont need that dmg in most cases. Go get her c2 mby and save some pulls trust me...
As a C2 Nilou haver I can say that it was indeed a very good investment. I also have C2 Yelan, and while I don't plan to C6 her, I can only imagine how broken that would be given how strong she already is at C2
@@m.frehmann7373 I'm just at the point in the game where I have a ton of decently built characters and just want to have fun. I haven't really enjoyed Fontaine so far minus picking up Furina :(
@@whyismynametaken123 yeah same, the game is just boring in terms of endgame content. My plan is to get arlecchino and then take a break… . C6 yelan also didn’t saved me from my burnout, that’s why I wouldn’t recommend it :(
@@m.frehmann7373 I felt the same when I received C3 Raiden. after that I can’t play with her outside the abyss. Everyone writes that Neuvillette is stronger and now I doubt whether it’s worth waiting for his rerun. I think this could kill any remaining interest in the combat content in the game.
I feel the exact same way, and she is my favorite character in the game as well. I started the game the month before her release specifically because I saw her design and she was the first 5 star I ever got. I went all in on her first banner and after failing to reach my goal, I saved for most of inazuma to get her C3 on her rerun in 2.5 and then saving for engulfing lighting in 3.3.
I would say that she in the current meta, she is currently a pretty mid character, no longer so easy to play by comparison to other 5* carries and her utility is pretty niche, because half of her supporting power budget is placed in extra energy recharge, and with the way energy recharge works in the game, you either have enough energy recharge to get your burst back on cooldown, and it becomes your least valuable stat, or you don't, and it skyrockets in value. This means her energy refund only really makes a meaningful difference in your team power if you have an artifact set that trades out a specific amount of energy recharge that Raiden effectively provides, in exchange for offensive substats like crit rate and crit dmg. And, with artifact being the hell that it is, and no artifact loadouts, no sane person would do that.
But I don't regret investing in her because, I was C1 with the Catch for like 5-6 months and that really made me appreciate the power difference that the jump to C3 provided. Those early constellations are necessary if you want to turn her from a niche tool in your toolbox into a swiss army knife for all kinds of content that relies on dps checks. Ever since I pulled her, despite getting a bunch of great new characters since, i have never gone through abyss without being able to find a good use for her in my teams (even if, for a lot of that period, it was on hyperbloom teams). But you should probably make peace with the fact that this isn't the most efficient way to turn your primos into account power anymore, and should only be considered for people who love Raiden and want to make her work.
same I'm still farming emblem since two years to perfect her and this time I'm getting her c2 as f2p, so excited
C0 Neuvillete and c0 Al Haitham washes her 😭
spoke your truth i fear…
People know that just don't wanna admit it, Specially for Alhaitham that some Dude is stronger than their Mommy
Tho every character is gonna get Weaker sometime(except neuvillete ig)
Who Knows Chlorinde and arlechino might be stronger than Alhaitham or Natlan characters(definitely 1 or 2) but People just dun wanna admit Ayaka,Hutao and Raiden are in a free fall of being out dated, Wrio overtook Ganyu, Lyney Overtook Yoimiya, Navia over took Itto, Furina over took Mona, Neuvi over took everyone, Arlechnio and Chlorinde might very well over take Hutao and Riden.
@@Fam98KK you should know that Al Haitham hyperbloom team still remain no.1 till now. Just last two abyss was Neuvillete at no.1. But current abyss again has Al Haitham hyperbloom at top 1. Since 3.4 this has been common. But since Neuvillete is easier to use, people just don't bother.
Just a dragon and a feeble scholar shirly raiden can do better than them right? *RIGHT?*
No, she is even one if their best supports particularly true for Neuvillette.
I have Nahida , Neuvillette and Alhaitham
And C2R2 Raiden Shogun (she is my favourite and I got lucky on her pulls) , I Think this video is exaggerated. If you make a video like this about every character, all of them will have some flaws (I mean obviously, they need to balance the game right)
Overall the fact that,
1) Her E is so freaking useful for elemental rxns
2) Her burst does crazy damage and refunds your other party members burst while having an interruption resistance
Just make her amazing to play
Also her C2 is literally the best constellation ingame , or one of the best , I think that’s something everyone agrees on
Bro makes no sense 4:18 I would Obviosly never use raiden burst at the end when the enemy hp is like
Get 1 copy and call it a day guys. She is still good at C0. I got her only in her 2nd rerun. Raiden changed my account with her versatility. She's not my fav character but still she's a top unit and can help clear abyss. These are some teams I use in abyss and clear 9 stars.
AlH Raiden Nahida ZL
Ayato Raiden Kazuha/Nahida ZL
Raiden Yelan/Fischl Kazuha ZL/Bennett
Raiden Yelan Jean Bennett/Furina
Half those teams would want kuki instead. Raiden is about as flexible as hu tao.
@@luminous3558 why would I need Kuki when I have ZL or Bennett 🤣
The video we've been waiting for! TGS the goat
Got raiden c0 last year.
Just got her c1 and c2 this banner with 90 pulls! Twas so worth it!
Saving for her weapond noww
I have a C2 raiden +engulfing , when i want to clear the abyss from the phone i Always use her in National team.
She still very strong and Easy to play for me
Most dissapointment his her disability to break shields.
This is why i use Baizhu instead of bennett.yes i’ll lose a lot of DMG but now I have a perfect rotation that when Ei burst end kazu burst is ready then baizhu then sara + the dmg lost isn’t important cause every thing already dead in the end of rotation any way ✨
I think this is sort of a new player vs old player issue. New players who don't already have Raiden probably won't want to invest in her C2 when they could invest in a Nahida, Furina, etc. However, long time players that already have a C1 and above, may want to pick up an extra constellation or her signature weapon.
Of course, we'll have to wait and see if Clorinde power creeps Raiden...
If C0R1 Clorinde out dpses a C2R1 Raiden I will straight out quit this stupid game. The Fontaine powercreep is getting on my nerves lately.
@@purp1e200 I mean, C0R1 ayaka or hu tao already outdps'd C2R1 raiden back in the day. Casual kids just overrated her to the moon because of how easy she was to play.
Fontaine characters and alhaitham just made it more obvious because they too are very easy to play, but give faster clears than raiden too.
@purp1e200 lowkey agree, one thing that I liked about this game was that the game tried there hardest not to powercreep the old characters but that system is fading away in fontaine, I really hope they don't make a random human out dps a high constellation archon
@@banjoowo4001huato be like
@@banjoowo4001The only character for which you can make a reasonable argument about powercreep in fontaine is neuvillette. Other characters that came out in fontaine are pretty much in line with other carries.
Raiden hyper didn't die in fontaine, she was already dead with sumeru when characters like alhaitham and nilou came out.
Hell, probably even earlier with yelan coming out and considerably buffing hu tao.
For the doble swirl just do Raiden E earlier in the rotation then when swapping into Jean do a N1 then EQ.
Underrated comment. This singlehandedly solves the electroswirl issue.
I aggree with you, but ithis true for not only c2 Raiden, butt for every 5 star characters's low constelation. C2 Nahida, C2 Yelan, C2 Kazuha, c2 Furina do not worth 400 pull if you consider Neuvillette, Alhiatham and Navia c0 dmg or other suport characters. Of course, for a f2p or low spender player. There is nothing new in this discussion. Character constellations are not necessary. Not even 1 constellations are necessary. I only have Neuvillett c1 and Raiden c3, because I really like these characters. I'm f2p player.
Pull for who you like. Cons vs new characters has both arguments for and against it.
If you have too many characters you won't use them all.
Pulling cons for your faves can let them compete with meta teams or be made more flexible. Pulling cons for supports allows them to carry any bad unit you might want to play.
I prefer vertical investment, Id rather have 3 teams of super farmed up badasses i love than always be farming and lvling whoever the newest thing is
Even before Fontaine miden simps couldn't understand that ever her C2 can't match C0 Childe or C0 Hu Tao . But now we have Neuvillete , Furina who are better than C6 Miden
Thanks for another great video, TGS!
So can we finally admit that in non dendro teams pre c2 Raiden is not a good character? Even with her you’re still required to build ER on units that need ER like Eula or run multiple other fav characters like in the team. And she has like two teams where the energy generation was useful in Rational and Eula carry. And more often than not the Sucrose national version just miles ahead. XQ vaping his E twice with sac sword was already like almost Raiden’s entire damage window on field.
Not a good character is incorrect
She's very much a good character, just not a good carry, those are not the same thing. But she's still a very good support/driver/battery at c0. Not broken in the slightest, not a must pull like some people say but still strong, comfy and id say solid A tier. She's replaceable but if we go by that hutao or alhaitham are also replaceable
@@EdenVixso by what metric is she a good or even useful character? Her entire reason is to battery but she can’t battery units to the point where they can to drop ER sands if they needed it. You also can’t drop fav weapons for damage buff weapons if you were reliant on fav. And in national getting rid of her entirely for sucrose is a damage increase. So what purpose does she serve?
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac I’m sure you could drop ER sands, it all depends on substats. She provides better survivability in National than Sucrose and she’s still a good carry, great personal damage, hyperbloom trigger, great driver and fits in many teams. Idk why you think she’s not good.
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac she can't battery extremely energy hungry characters but she can lower er recs which is a win, and she makes national braindead to play. I know most people know sucrose or other characters are an increase but a lot of people dont bother with specific rotations so they prefer raiden. I'm not saying her pull value is that high, i dont really think it is and i think she's pretty overrated by those who call her a must pull or even a carry at c0 but i think she's one of those characters that you won't regret pulling bc she'll still be versatile and does well wherever you put her even if its not optimal (kinda like ayato). I think she's good (just good, not broken) and useful bc i can use her anywhere and she'll still do very respectable damage and i think that's what a good character is. She's not top meta but she can clear abyss easily, keyword being easily, there's a bunch of characters that are bad or mid and you have to hyperinvest into them and bend over backwards your team to carry them, raiden is not like that
i think this is the first time i saw 91K DPS on any team you calced
but yeah there are better characters now that raiden doesn't feel special anymore
tbf he never calcs 9 gold teams
@@coffeemug1012 yeah thats whale territory and he at most calcs C2R1 for characters but it was nice to see how big of a difference the over invested teams do compared to our teams
lol i randomly got her c2 on my 2nd account after a 6 month break from genshin ( no where near pity & was a 50/50) i say if u love her go for it. she does amazing damage & its seriously so fun.
my 2nd account is mainly 5* i dont have on my main ( besides raiden & my hu tao + the standards ) and i seriously enjoy playing her c2 as shes not my main anymore on my main acc.
100% go for it if u love raiden!!
I get bored with my characters way too fast, so I never invest my hard earn primogems for constellation. I prefer a bunch of C0 5stars characters than a few characters with constellation.
Same. In star rail I invest vertically because difficulty is higher and combat is not as fun for trying out different characters. But in Genshin I just want a new shiny toy every month. I have 23 lvl 90 characters after 2 years of playing
I can’t wait to finally get her c2. But I agree with your line of thoughts! Times have changed since her first banner.
For a c2 character equipped with BiS 5* weapon...those are some very expensive requirements for those numbers at this point
You are a simp and want to roll for her go ahead but getting constellation just to clear the 12 floor of the abyss its extremely silly
Flaws are good for game balance for me the problem is not raiden it's the new dpss hmm neuvillete hmm who have no down sides
Wtf were they thinking why should I ever pull another dps after neuvillete are they stupid
My Raiden is C1, I recently lost a 50/50, and I have more than enough primos to go to pity.
So I'm going for C2 because I can guarantee getting it day 1 of her rerun.
Also my Bennett is C0, so it would be also worth investing in his Constellations as well.
Two birds with one stone (3 if you count Sara) lol
Idk if yall just don't know how to cycle your rotations but my c2 r1 Raiden is easily my most trusted character ever. The is pretty much no abyss I don't use her national or hyper carry team in 🤷♀️
My c0 raiden is still quite fun to play with for both hyper and rational. With the addition of furina her double hydro is a fun comp. She hasnt really fallen off with huge frontloaded dmg, batterying your team and constant onfield electro dmg from e.
As a hypercarry she is basically an buffed electro Eula, which is not necessarily a good thing, and as a hyperbloom trigger she is only slightly better than Kuki in some comps
I may not have raiden but I’m getting her so I think my takes are abit valid (correct me if I’m wrong ) raiden is an electro unit and one of the best ones she is viable at c0 but c2 makes her a dps with the addition of dendro reactions which buffs electro units viablility electro is only used for application other than dps so I feel that raiden c2 has fallen of in her role as a dps because of how over tunes the Fontaine units are overtuned as hell so raiden dps has fallen off but raiden as a sub dps hasn’t because dendro is still viable
I'm at C1 and I decided to skip C2 for new characters, mainly because her dmg at C2 in today's meta is nothing to flip over.
yeah I have her c1 as well and will probably skip her to get neuvillete and his weapon.
C2 Raiden will only ever fall off for me when both sides are immune to electro or something.
She's been clearing every Abyss for me since her debut, and her side is always quite easy. Always having full energy back as long as she gets to finish her combo. And her ER refill to the team makes rotation smooth. Also interruption resistance even in the face of consecrated beasts.
Number-wise, maybe she's less impressive than some, but I found her whole kit to be well thought-out and strong.
Should add that I do NOT think you should pull her C2 for power if you don't care or like her as a character.
I never thought her playstyle was bad i just also never thought her damage was that great because i tired of farming emblem before i got to more reasonable standards for her artifacts.
I wouldn’t mind having her C2 but more so i can enjoy using her when i do, but not going to force myself to get it i just already have C1 last i checked.
I have her C0 and compared to Alhaitham or neuvillette she hits like wet noodles
Why is there no talk about raiden national?
Based take I agree, as a c3 raiden haver she is still very strong, but there are a lot of other options out there now that can perform just as well if not better
now most c2 we got is one of the best cons for its char. now i feel like the more genshin add new char, the old one will be the least efficient
Never saw the hype of Raiden C2 and never will. Character's like HuTao and Ganyu feel more rewarding to to pull off correctly and do more damage. Raiden's a good as a Eula support or hyperbloom unit - that's it.
Raiden gets her energy very fast even without a burst so its very easy to get her burst even without a fav user😊
Cope
@@sydorovich2532skill issue
@@sydorovich2532 Help I'm not coping just fax girl she may have 90er cost but it looks like a 50 cost burst
I have found Raiden C2 Nahida, Furina, Jean(or Kazuha if you don't need to heal) , just as powerful as any other team for her and is way more comfortable imo My Raiden is at C0 btw.
If somehow you can exchange some sort of currency for constellation only then I'd like a Raiden C2, but as things are now, I wouldn't trade 2 potential new characters for just damage increase, albeit very huge damage increase
Nahida & Furina c2>Raiden c2>>>>>>>>>Zhong & Venti c2
I've always preferred to use Raiden in a dual carry team, rather than as a sole carry. Sole carry Raiden relies too much on her burst and the buffs, and makes how she fuels the team less impactful. When it comes to things like electro-charged and aggravate, there just are better electro options. And I think usage shows this... hypercarry Raiden has never been huge. But give her another DPS to share time with, one that is energy hungry, and ideally some other energy hungry teammates, and you come out ahead. And sure, now you are out a buffer, so your peak isn't as high, but the valley isn't as low anymore either. Basically, if the team that has Raiden doing direct damage (as opposed to triggering blooms) doesn't want Raiden's energy regen , why is it even bothering with Raiden?
I played since 1.0, then when raiden come out i played her with bennet and xiangling for soo long, then i realise that childe internasional just better in any aspect. So i stop playing her till now
I will pull for c3 anyway in a few days because i love my hypercarry raiden
Disagree with you on the energy part. I have c3r1 raiden and I never have energy problems yall just want to nuke everything and that is a YOU problem 😂. You don't always have to use all the buffs to finish the chamber instead you use half or less and then burst with raiden making sure she doesn't one shot everything and have time for some normal attacks so you can recover energy. Her burst is not hard to recover since you'll always have her with around 260 ER and it'll be easier if you have EL. And literally EVERY TEAM will suffer from ER problems if you're not careful on how you end the chamber
She's fine as a carry even at c0. I played her a lot. Taser, aggravate, even "hyper" but with Yelan instead of Sara. She's fine if you know how to play.
Constellations are never worth on this game.
Never is a strong word :)
I am happy with my C1 Wanderer - >>> 10% att speed. 💪
Disagree, c1 Hu Tao worth every primo
@@ixirionIt's not essential though. Some cons are game-changers like Hu Tao C1 making stamina not be an issue at all.
@@fatuusdottore my point exactly. I dont like essential cons. C1 rizly is too good for example. C1 wanderer, C1 Nahi, dont change much
hol up... wait... vv doesnt work for off field swirls? where on earth is the visibility on this
In genshin if something doesn't literally say that work off field it generally means it doesn't work off field