MY VIEWS ON PEDs VS BEING NATTY (+ SOME BACK TRAINING) | MIKE VAN WYCK
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To be honest you are being pretty negative towards naturals also. I can't stand when naturals say some of the things you mentioned but man you sound like a cry baby also. It's not just naturals that talk crap you said multiple things in this video talking bad about naturals but then try to sound humble by saying I don't care if you are natural. It both boils down to insecurities... naturals that act like that do it because it's an excuse for what they are lacking and makes them feel like they are on some moral high ground. People that take peds that talk crap do it because 1. You say you don't care about dying but you do and 2. You get mad because you don't want others to feel like you don't work hard because you take things. At the end of the day both sides have some insecure people. I'd say half the people that make those jokes about drugs don't even train. This stuff is more main stream knowledge than it was back in the day so you don't just have the people involved in it talking about it. Just my 2 cents
"You just get a smaller coffin" quintessential Big Mike. Fuckin love this dude.
to good haha
That was classic. This is why I love this guy😂
@@julianemily6923 and @botelevadora I respect enhanced competitors, but most enhanced commenters using actual average hormone levels = much smaller coffin than elite lifetime non-enhanced competitors lol
@@julianemily6923 I respect enhanced competitors, but most enhanced commenters using actual average hormone levels = much smaller coffin than elite lifetime non-enhanced competitors lol
I have never heard a nascar driver say he got to nascar by frequently driving at 80 mph? Huh? the whole point of call out culture is being missed here. Lies get called out. That's life. There is not critique if you are honest? No critique worth it's intent? That won't change
i subscribed this channel from Jonni Shreeves recommendation. Good content Mike! Terence from Singapore
I still leave milk and cookies out for Santa. 😭 On the bright side they were delicious! 😂
The problem is not if someone’s taking steroids, but if there an influencer and they’re giving advice on how many sets and how hard to push, etc. and they’re not telling their listeners that they’re enhanced because their response to training will be different then those who are natural people don’t know who’s juicing and who is not so they listen to these people and they wonder why nothing happens at the gym that’s the problem you wanna give advice tell us by the way I’m on TRT or Tren or whatever so you may need to do a few less than I do or a little less weight etc. it’s all about being honest….
Juice doesn't make you magically rip if you don't put in the work it ain't happening. Ppl always try to shit on things ppl do that don't effect them and try to act like you're wrong.
It still gives you an unnatural edge. So it's not all hard work. You had help.
AND most people at the local gym on juice look like crap. It's diet, training and consistency that leads to gains.
@@Jimmy29li most ppl's diet plan is crap you can tell they don't bother actually educating themselves about the topic.
@@Jimmy29li If that's all it's about then why take 💉?
You don’t get a gold plaque for being natty, you just get a smaller coffin 👌👍😂😂😂
And Natural Bodybuilders actually LIVE. Druggers are dying monthly before age 50
@@soulsergeant Steroids are eating these dude's brain cells away.
@@soulsergeant Yeah if you go to the extreme with it. Moderate dosages or trt aren’t going to kill you lol
@@soulsergeant what age is Arnold? Or Haney or Dorian or Zane or a thousand other guys? Nattys die in their 50s too from a fucking myriad of things, being natty doesnt you immortal.
@@soulsergeant everybody dies
We all might die but those natty ppl will live longer ❤
No day is guaranteed. We all could die at any moment.
Bit did they get the most put of life and chase they're goals to the absolute upmost? Cuz when I die ill die knowing I did everything I could to reach my dream
absolutely not true
Yeah brother see how you do when you're taking your last breath in some hospital somewhere then we'll see and joke around about how bigger coffins going to be
Before even watching as a natty guy im fully aware the dedication it takes to hop onto that next step correctly… which is why I don’t wanna do it lmao. At least yet. And imo I really only think you should ever consider going that route if you can make money off your physique. Personally I’d need at least another few years before I even come close to my natty potential imo. And even then it’s most likely no lol.
I'm natty and think I know why. There is a level I know I cannot reach without steroids. The whiners are living in fantasy land. They wish they could get the positives of steroids with no side effects, no blood work, no ancillaries, no PCT... The boohoo it's not fair club. I know I am not able to do the PED route and that's that. To those who are able hats off to you. Live and let live.
There are freaks of nature that Mike just said and I know can be done. Just be humble as say that you aren't the chosen one.
I'm a natural and will always probably be natural. I've never been inclined to compete so it has never been worth the money or risk to take steroids, although I have considered it just for my own ego. If you are a dedicated professional and want/need to take steroids to compete that is your choice. Why are people so hung up on it. To each there own, this site seems to be aimed mostly at pros, which I'm not and never will be, but I find the material useful and entertaining. I like the honesty, keep it up!
Do you train with weights regularly? Do you count macros or eat extra protein? Are you carrying 20 or more pounds of muscle than you were at 16? If so, guess what you arent natural. You are enhanced.
@@mightyquinn5135 true, but I would love to have tried some other unnatural methods! My point is, since I don't compete it was just not worth it to me, mostly financially. I believe in the gym bag theory, whatever you need goes in the gym bag. You know, a lot of people pass judgment on others when it's not really their business, Mike is just being honest in my opinion. More people should be.
@@mightyquinn5135 that's the biggest cope i have ever seen, you are "natural" in the athletic sense unless you consume exogenous hormones, peptides or other PEDs in order to put on more muscle, there is nothing unnatural about lifting weights, manipulating diet and building muscle, there is however something unnatural about injecting hormones into your body at doses that your body could never endogenously produce.
don't try to play rethorical games to make you feel better about your own drug use
@@Anduehan97 u could never consume enough meat naturally to get your clinical 5g daily dose of creatine. What about all the exotic stims and nootropics and pump products in your preworkout? You ever taken any pills before in your life? The definition of what's "natural" is totally subjective, in reality nobody is natural.
I don't agree with shaming people that use peds, but I do understand wanting to know what is achievable natural because they want the look, or a portion of the look, without the drugs. I do think there is something to be said about those that maintain being natural and people can take pride in being natural. It doesn't make someone better, but it could be a testament of achievement. I think all people need to do a better job showing respect to others, and I think respect is lacking in the modern day. Regardless of where you stand, show some respect and then be respected.
That's called genetics whether you like it or not. As Mike said and I know people wth that look or can get that look. But they aren't interested in bodybuliding. Also unfortunately there are natruals that have this look. Go search up Mattdoesfitness who has proven it to be true. Then there are ones that lie example is Mike O here. Even though he isn't the biggest. The fact he dodges these questions like crazy is the reason why he is a huge suspect.
curious as to what extent you tore your bicep or how they had to repair it.
Natty not natty who gives a Fuk! Both is cool!
I’m natty my two training partners are not! We don’t care!!!! Bodybuilding is bodybuilding people now analysing every little thing! Jeez!
One of the best channels on you tube!
By the way I’m the smallest out of us haha!!
I agree with Mike. I think what really upsets ppl is the ppl who LIE about being natty and are not. To me that's a huge part of the crux of this whole natty vs. not debate.
Yeah exactly, it's the people that outright lie about their natural status that I don't like
Omg liars are bad. You guys sound like you're 5.
@@robertauclair2278 no need to be nasty dude. My main complaint about it is just the affect it would have on young guys being held to an unattainable standard. If you're doing it, good for you, you still gotta work really hard to be big even on steroids. Just don't lie about it
Eventually anyone in this life style knows that what they first thought attainable is not without juicing. Everyone eventually realizes that naturally there’s a balance between weight, muscle, and fat and what is realistic.
@@robertauclair2278It's a deficit in personality that needs to be corrected. Everyone has lied to some extent in their lives. But, deception is something completely different.
Whoa whoa whoa...leave Santa out of this.
What? Natural Bodybuilders have developed their bodies to it’s Optimal Potential. We should call Open Bodybuilding Druggers.
Need to make a shirt that says "BIG COFFIN CREW" haha best line ever
The funniest thing about steroids and other PEDS is the dudes that abuse them but are still a stick or just look like a bloated professional beer drinker that just left the bar...
I think there’s hate on both sides; whether that’s because of a naive person who’s natural judges someone who’s not or someone who’s not natural treating someone who’s natural like they are better than them. Either way, do what you want and be respectful of others regardless of their life style and choices. Some ppl take steroids and never plan to compete in the sport. They just want to be bigger and get more out of their hard work in the gym. Nothing wrong with that. People who stay natural because they don’t want to add more responsibility to their bodies muscle development and health is fine too. It’s all preference.
Definitely way too much natty morality nonsense, especially in the popular media. I wish when Lance Armstrong was interviewed by Opra after his steroid "scandal", he would have said, "Opra stop being naive, we are all using steroids in elite cycling. So no I didn't cheat." Instead they all made believe he was some kind of villain.
I agree with what you said fact of the matter is if you do or you don’t you’ve got to put in the work. It is all about what your goals are and what you want to do to achieve said goals. But no matter what you HAVE TO DO THE WORK. I’ve seen some guys on steroids that look like shit because they thought that’s all it took. And I have seen other put in even more work and worked even harder once they got on it and look phenomenal.
I’ve learned so much with this guy with working out and how I was doing things wrong for so long and Love watching this guy in the mornings very entertaining and funny as hell should do morning rants more. “Podcasts” lol . But it is true I’ve lost 50 pounds and when I was heavy everybody talk behind my back how i was fat and should do something before I end up with a heart attack . Now I lost 50 pounds best shape of my life really into the gym life and finally starting to see abs didn’t even know they were there . Funny part is now everybody talks behind my back and say I’m on steroids 🤷🏼 .
I have never hit a side chest properly before. Great explanation!
I would love to see someone tell Mike to his face that bodybuilding is not a sport just to troll him😂
this guy tought me to train back correctly, i've never felt my back as much as i'm feeling it lately, i got sore back, after 1 year of training lmfao..
thank you mike for keeping it real, you're the man
Also the fact that you don’t need pull downs do develop back. He said that in a diff video. I honestly never felt a good pump from pull downs as I do with rows. When you think of it, a pull-down is a higher angled row anyway
I love working out and the sense of accomplishment every workout. Being natty or not doesn't mean I'm doing anything different than the other guy that is , is not. But the effort that is put into the workout should matter, not if you are or are not on anything.
I'm a natural and I've accepted a long time ago that I will not achieve the results that the guys that are using achieve. I'm okay with it.
But again, I made that decision, and they made theirs. Even the guys that abuse thinking more is better, all the power to them.
The one thing that I don't like is these influencers claiming natural when they're not. That's BS right there. There's no need to lie.
And awesome advice for the side chest movement
If we can fat shame, we can also steroid shame, especially if you are a regular joe
Yup all while trying to sell their product, make money, or be more famous, bc they’re the “natural” guy that’s looks crazy. I think alot of ppl would actually be surprised how good you can look if you have decent genetics after a while of lifting, but there are alot of fake nattys out there
@@arslanakakamina yeah but we don’t feel no shame at all….
@@mturley8414 yeah i know, no self awareness, acting like beauty pageant consestants and and pretending thats manly, just dont make fun of the fatties stuffing their faces with big macs, glass houses you know
Top video. 💪🏻
People who are free to play (f2p) in gaming do the same thing to people who spend money (pay to win)(p2w) to build their accounts. They sit in the chats and brag about how they are doing so well, and other people are only good because they spend money. I tell these people if they don't like it, make better life decisions so you can spend the money to have super strong accounts. Don't shame people for having disposable income to build their accounts, and you don't. People are so jealous and want to tear others down any way they can. Then they wonder why they don't amount to anything more than a drive thru worker at Taco Bell. 🤔
Hey Big Mike, Im watching your videos for a while now and Im a fan of you and your content. Im still learning, also from you and I appreciate that a lot.
I know you say what you think and that's a positive thing. But to be honest, taking steroids should not be taken so lightly. I love bodybuilding, but not at the cost of my health.
Taking steroids without competing at a professional level is just dumb imo. You get big, die young and then what? Most people have friends and families, you are not taking steroids and health issues alone.
I know you dont give a shit, but others might. And we are not alone in this world.
Peace ✌️
I respect enhanced competitors, but most enhanced commenters using actual average hormone levels = much smaller coffin than elite lifetime non-enhanced competitors lol
roiding for that physique 🤣🤣🤣
Professional Bodybuilding requires steroids. However, it's a man made drug and often misused and has some extremely dangerous health risks. It's a risk that Professionals take, I respect that. The problem is Influencers can unknowingly influence others to take them. I've been into weight training long enough to know every athlete I look up to does gear but I choose not to do them. People just need to be educated more on steroids, the potential health risks and where their goals lie. If some high school kid is taking gear to get the girls to go out with him, that's a waste. Now if he wants to compete professionally in the future, then by all means do it, but do it right.
WTF man you just change my posing in 3 sec 😍thanks !
Hold the fucking phone..... are you saying there is no Santa? ☠☠☠ **Calls Mom immediately**
“Without that fireman’s equipment do you think you would be a good firefighter?”
Interesting. So they're taking tiny doses, half of what 'others' are taking, but it's really 99% hard work. Makes you wonder why they need it at all.
You just get a smaller coffin man was probably the funniest shit I've heard in a minute. Fucking love it.
Nothing wrong either way, but I think the top level bodybuilders would still be the top level if ped's didn't exist . It would just be a different sport
“u just get a smaller coffin man”
😂😂😂😂 our dad is hilarious
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Alot of the enhanced commenters who are back on average hormone levels would be in an even much smaller coffin than elite lifetime non-enhanced competitors lol.
Mr. Wyck can you do more on posing and give examples like you did with Flex, Victor Martinez or any body builder and show how to transition all body parts
"You just get a smaller coffin" has got to be one of the dopest comments I've ever heard
#TheWyckedFew
Tren man - a new superhero was born
Weird video. Little defensive sounding..
Love the content man, 4real! 👊 Could you do a video about how you structure workouts? what splits you like. volume / frequency, rep range/ intensity, “exercise selection”/ structure/ build up.
Thanks to Mike and this vid. I remembered to take my “vaccine”. love big Mike and the knowledge he is spreading for real. Really has made movements actually work vs just moving weight around. 🤘
Optimal is getting on gear that will decrease your physical makeup if you stop and possibly kill ( with long term use) natural production of Testosterone? Your choice but don’t act like you built the Physique, gear did,that’s why nattys make comments
Optimal?...ehh okey...
Hit ‘em with the Smaller coffin!!! Yoooo 😂😂😂
I died! 🤣
@bobbyhate I respect enhanced competitors, but most enhanced commenters using actual average hormone levels = much smaller coffin than elite lifetime non-enhanced competitors lol
Smaller coffin lol
Steroids and High Level Bodybuilding will always be together. Bodybuilding is now mainstream and some instagram gurus, influencers and athletes are trying to normalize the use of drugs that will never be safe if used for perfance/aesthetics goals.
Bodybuilding is not for everyone, and the people that chose to go all the way should be aware of the consequences.
Natties should take care of their own business.
I LOVE WINSTROL
Always great videos. You did lose me for the first 4 minutes because I thought the dude pacing back and forth with the wrist wraps was going for a big lift.....but was only doing elevated push-ups for the girl next to him. 😆😆😆😆
Fucki** (natty) was the most used word in this video. Is it not more of the abuse of steroid than the use. Being 66, Yes I did use, but stopped them all together after three years. All I can say is that friends of me died or got serious health problems. The abuse of steroids is creating a false expectation to the present generation. I have no judgement. Do what you like to do and accept if something goes wrong. Btw, I am more worried about the psychological effects than the physical. Creating a illusion of yourself can have serious consequences. Superman does not exist.
7:25 i finally understand what he means by “locking on lat”. The side chest pose analogy made the light bulb go off.
BIG BRO.... ARE RESISTANCE BANDS A WASTE OF TIME ? I BOUGHT THIS X3 BAR BY DR.JAQUISH I JUST WANNA KNOW IF I WASTED MY $$$$$ .
I’m natty but don’t toot my horn about it. I don’t shit on enhanced guys/gals either. I’ve always wanted to push the limit of my body capacity and see how much muscle I could put on. I haven’t bc I have no idea on where to get gear or dose it, the opportunity never presented itself. So fuck it. I watch Wycked videos and crack on.
I love your work out videos beyond any I have watched. Your info is above all else!!
I'm a natty, and I dont care if you anyone takes steroids.
I don't care even if you promote them.
I don't take them , but simply for own reason.
Bodybuilding is a show. A show above a lot of shows due to the pure effort from all those involved.
You are taking steroid for a show , because it's popular.
You are taking steroids to get some clout and claim a title created by someone who probably doesn't take roids.
They don't take roids because you do.
Why take roids when you can just watch you take roids???
I put Anadrol and Tren in my cereal and as Antoine Vaillant said to do I pin in my balls so I'm living life 😅... Steroid use or not I respect both worlds.... Much love and respect brother
LMAO ...you just get a smaller coffin!!! I love Mike!! speak your truth my guy lol
I once wore that natty badge of honour until i didnt grow at all for two years of brutalising my body dy style 😂 fuck natty hello test..... 17st to 21 stone in the next 12 mths . God bless pharmacology i now look like a bodybuilder !!!
Up your dose man...OK I will lmao 🤣 mike spit'n some truth. Keep it up mike awesome video.
I take gear because I get a better look. I don’t lift heavy I just do more reps and focus on one body part at a time. Not into lifting the gym even though there’s clowns out there that walk in with attitudes and they think they can lift the gym
How come there is so many jacked people in Burlington ?? :)
Mike you are the fucking best 👌 dude love your videos the the most open and honest trainer out there 👏 need more people like you keep the content coming 👍
When people are tired the bad behaviour starts and the shit talking too. It's hard to when you are introvert. this hate thing starts from where people gather around. People have opinion without experience
Greg Doucette is coming for you 🤣... I said it first :P
I’m a natural but I could care less about those that choose to use steroids, however when I was a kid I was lead to believe the top bodybuilders were that good because they ( trained harder, trained smarter, were superior athletes ext.)
The fact that the pros lied for years tarnished there honor.
you kidding me? they are all these things. i know a lot of dudes on juice and they look terrible. that’s why it’s called enhancing, not changing.
I mean a smaller coffin and probably a few more years left of life.
“You just get a smaller coffin.”
Absolutely savage. Love it.
@Brickhousehomegym I respect enhanced competitors, but most enhanced commenters using actual average hormone levels = much smaller coffin than elite lifetime non-enhanced competitors lol
gatekeepers man.. everywhere. sad world we are in
So how much are you on Mike?
Waite a minute
There's no Santa?😪😪😪
I have laughed so hard! Thank big mike!
Being on gear made me slightly hate natties😅
Father Christmas IS real big Mike
I jumped on 3 years ago. Blasted and cruised till this year. I never wanted to compete
or could have for that matter, given my genetics. I'm probably the worst kind of user cause I don't compete, but I truly am enjoying my life....so fuck it .
Dude Chris Benoit …Chris Benoit
BEST FUCKING RANT EVER!!!!
I don’t want a small coffin!
What an amazing video thank you!
cookies and milk 🤣🤣
Mike I just want to thank you for showing me the proper way to train and keeping it real all the time! Would love the opportunity to train with you once in my lifetime
Wycked genius 💪🏽
😂😂😂 you crack me up
Cheers for the video I’ve never used gear but have definitely considered it. It’s funny how people carry on about it and think that your just going to be big if you use but don’t realise the amount of work that needs to go into it.
You can literally take 600mg of test and sit on the couch and gain more muscle than a Natural that trains consistently over 20 weeks.
What’s a steriod?
Am I the only one that, sings the wicked wicked wicked at the beginning of the videos? Lol
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Some of the best bodybuilders I’ve ever heard explain this always equate lifting with posing.
Awesome video as ever!
Natty means broke. That’s the difference.
It’s an economic disadvantage and not really a choice.
Dante used to say something to the sound of, there are 500,000 people who use steroids, but how many big people do you see, certainly not that many.
Whats with phil heath holding the contractions for so long lol
I don't think Mike is going to address that lol. It's not that he's afraid but that the fact Phil is well-spoken and has spent years being Mr. Olympia isn't going to do Mike any favors.
@@supragame1991 i genuinely think it just boils down to doing what works best for you and however you connect best with. Its all basically the same concepts "finding tension and moving through tension " mike just flows more.
@@brandenpGains true. I have to say though Phil really sold me on holding contractions because it's true strength and that's essentially what posing is: holding contractions.
Mike even talks about it in this very video: people can't hold their stage poses. Many report that posing sessions in and of themselves feel like workouts. Phil's methods may help them in that regard as well.
I would just say if you’re competing there’s no reason good reason in my opinion to pin yourself for the rest of your life
And age related testosterone things are mostly lifestyle so don’t go to TRT or HRT to fix that until you’ve got a good lifestyle that you can’t say “well I might’ve been able to not have to pin hormones for the rest of my life”
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Great technical details.. MVW goes to another level. No one geos to these levels of simplicity. Brilliant rant 👏 so true.