The Mario Game SO BAD Nintendo WIPED It From History- Super Mario Bros Special
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Nintendo has released MANY Mario games over the years, and a lot of them have either been re-released or at least acknowledged. But one of their most interesting games is when Hudson Soft made a sequel to the original retro Super Mario Bros. called Super Mario Bros. Special. It is a full on sequel to the first game, yet it remains mostly unknown. So what is the game like? Not very good. Just like many Nintendo Switch Pokemon games.
Was looking forward to this one. As someone who's actually a bit of a fan of Super Mario Bros. Special (and Hudson's PC Mario games in general) and has beaten it multiple times, and at least I'd like to think has a bit more knowledge of the game than many people, I do have some comments to add:
1. I wouldn't really call this game a _full-on sequel_ per-se. It's more of an approximate port/demake with a lot of creative liberties. If you look at the levels compared to SMB1 you'll find that most of them aren't actually completely new levels. Some are, but most are approximate re-creations of SMB1's levels with some creative liberties. Some levels have a LOT of creative liberties, sure, but then there are many that don't really. Look at levels like 1-3, 2-2, 2-3, 4-2, 6-2 (especially this one), like half the Castle levels, etc., and you'll see they really are the same levels as their SMB1 counterparts, just with various alterations. Interesting thing about this is how the game handles SMB1's duplicate levels (such as 2-2 and 7-2). For example, Special's 2-2 is based on SMB1's 2-2, and Special's 7-2 is based on SMB1's 7-2, but the thing is, they're not reused levels in SMB Special; rather, they're TWO SEPARATE approximate recreations of SMB1's 2-2/7-2, both different from each other but both clearly still based on the same SMB1 level. Same goes for various other levels that were duplicates in the NES game.
2. The PC-88 corruption in World 4 is a bug with the ROM that's been circulated, yeah. There's actually a patch for it that fixes this and allows you to play the rest of the game. However, you will still come across a Disk Error once you get to 8-4 (yeah, the very end of the game). There is a way to fix this but I don't remember how. There's no reason to play the PC-88 version though so not like it matters for anyone who's not a masochist.
3. 12:47 Correction: you don't need Small Mario to enter that bonus room. You can just crouch-slide through that gap as Big Mario then enter the pipe. Same goes for most other areas that might seem to require Small Mario. The thing with SMB Special's controls is that it's much more lenient and manipulatable with the crouch-sliding than SMB1, you can finagle Big Mario through most 1-block high passageways without getting softlocked pretty easily. In fact, I can't really think of any major instances of so-called "small Mario only" areas that you can't also get through as Big Mario, whether it be that bonus room you showed there, or the second part of the bonus room in the 2-4 castle (yes, even that is still completely Big Mario-accessible with no softlock, even though it looks like you should be softlocked and in fact would be if it were NES SMB1).
4. Interesting thing about the music being sped up: It's sped up in the SHARP X1 version specifically (unless you run it at like 4hz instead of 8, but then the gameplay would be running half-speed). In the PC-88 version it's all actually SLOWED DOWN compared to NES instead. Obviously both are due to technical issues, but I will say that some things like the Underground and Castle themes do sound kinda cool slowed down like that.
5. Fair enough using Savestates lol. However, I will say that the Infinite 1-up Koopa Shell trick can actually be done in this game on the very first level to get as many lives as you want (I think it goes up to 255, or FF as it's displayed in Hexadecimal), and it's much EASIER to perform there than in actual SMB1, it's super easy to do in this game, basically free. That can also help make things less painful by basically removing Game Overs and the lack of continues.
6. REALLY glad you covered the 35th Anniversary NES remake of Special romhack. That's definitely the definitive way to play SMB Special, because yeah, the original is a game with a lot of creativity and cool ideas that's nevertheless heavily bogged down by all its technical problems, only really salvageable if you're able to put up with such issues. But the NES remake fixes that, having all the massive advantages of the real SMB1 since it's a hack of that game, and none of the technical problems Special has, only the good aspects. I honestly think I also might like it better than SMB1 because it gets more creative with its level design and has the new enemies, power-ups, and stuff, while still having all of SMB1's upsides. It even has the whole credits sequence from Special (which not even SMB1 had). Frantik did some excellent work here.
People in the comments are also bringing up SMB Crossover's recreation, but honestly while it's cool, I don't think it's as good. Obviously there's the issue of whether one likes Crossover's controls and physics or not, but beyond that, the SMB Special recreation actually makes some harmful changes to the level design. For example, it raises the ceiling by one block in underground levels to match SMB1 (Special's ceiling was 1 block lower because of screen size) and that actually not only makes a certain Fire Flower in 1-2 unobtainable as Mario because it's now too high to reach, but it also makes it so that you can get softlocked in 1-2 quite easily in the area around the 1-up and Starman.
So yeah, in conclusion, while I do personally like even the original game (the Sharp X1 version of course), overall I agree with you on this game. It has a lot of good ideas and pretty good and creative level design, but objectively it's pretty much ruined by all its technical and control issues. It's made for hardware that was simply way too technically limiting for such a game like this, which is unfortunate. I still have fun with it, but that's because I've gotten used to all its weird quirks, for anyone who's not like that it is objectively trash. But yeah, clearly this wasn't a case of Hudson Soft being incompetent or causing Nintendo to regret allowing them to work on Mario, because they went on to make the Mario Party games and have future relations with them, it's just a case of the hardware itself being the chief problem, they pretty much did the best they could have done with a project like this. But the NES remake completely fixes all the issues and allows the game to truly reach what it was trying to be.
Great video, enjoyed it quite a bit!
This is one of the most articulate and well informed comments I've ever seen! A lot of this I wasn't even aware of. Glad you enjoyed the video. I appreciate what the game went for, but it just wasn't great.
@@Demeech Oh wow, thank you!
That has to be the longest comment ever. I actually read it too. Great video. I wasn't sure if I was going to get this bundle for my Switch. After watching this video I definitely am going to get it. Well done.
@@gregbullington891 This game isn't on Switch though...?
@@Demeech One mistake I made in my comment I just realized: when I listed levels in the second paragraph that were VERY similar to their SMB1 counterparts, I meant to say 6-1, not 6-2. Special's 6-2 is also very much based on SMB1's 6-2, but 6-1 is the the one I was thinking of that's _really_ blatant and nearly identical to its SMB1 counterpart, the main differences just being some different proportions of obstacles here and there, and one long row of ? Blocks that wasn't in SMB1.
I get asked all the time if the colours on my mario recolour were inspired by this game. I'm honestly surprised that so many people know of its existence.
I guess that makes your mario recolour special
Was it though?
@@Demeech No, I didn't even know of the game's existence until you mentioned it in your 'Every 2D Mario Ranked' video in 2020, and I've had these colour choices since 2019.
Cmon man, that doesn't happen lol
are the colours on your mario recolour inspired by this game?
I was literally thinking "this game is the perfect candidate for a remake" when you mentioned the 35th anniversary edition lol
Fans do what Nintendon't!
Thought it was reported as lost levels or something,well if it's different,I'd change the visuals of some of the levels leaving the structure the same but just to spruce it up.
I love the fact that Super Mario Bros. Special 35th is the only fan-game Nintendo doesn’t shut down because they don’t want people to know about Super Mario Bros. Deluxe.
erm
Super Mario Bros Crossover had Special as a game pack years ago, along with that game as a theme, & it uses music from Super Mario Bros Deluxe.
Super Mario Maker 2 has the Super Mario Bros Special skin for SMB Luigi when he has a fire flower so they at least acknowlegde its existens
I don’t even like the color scheme they went with; they should’ve gone the Super Mario Bros. Deluxe color.
The PC-88 & Sharp X1 games, the PC edutainment games, and Hotel Mario on CD-i are just a few of the gamea that Nintendo never acknowledges.
The Virtual Boy games Mario's Tennis and Mario Clash are the only two games on Nintendo systems that they never re-released or remastered in any capacity, given that Nintendo has quietly and unofficially "disown" the Virtual Boy itself.
Nice Lonely Goomba reference.
your model looks like kayakazan's modeling, and also do you like HR D3 from kirby?
That cutaway was Family Guy tier.
What cutaway?
@@EvilPeppa The pills bit.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Oh okay
That's what I was going for
@@Demeech Nailed it. 🔨🔨
It's not that the NES was powerful persay, moreso that consoles have hardware designed for specific purposes. Same with computers, which weren't designed with gaming in mind originally.
Not only would I play it, I own it for the collection. I thought I was the only American that knew about this game. Glad I'm not alone. 8^)
Wait 😳......did I just see and hear the origin of the hook to Busta rhymes's dangerous song?
Or the commercial is quoting someone else?
In the initial games, he rescues Daisy, not Peach! Just a reminder
the 30 years nes ROM hack is the best way to play smb special
The previous episode was just some peak Demeech, and this one is even better .......WOW !!!
@@Wario1382 ho ho HO !
10 Years!
From my perspective, this game is another example of "Good idea, half-@$$ed execution". I love seeing references to older games and obscure items, but they should have been utilized more.
This game COULD very well be expanded upon.
(16:30) Oh! It DID get (kinda) expanded upon! Cool!
One more problem is how this all reminds me of when Hudson Soft was still a thing. Sad that Hudson is now defunct. :(
I recall that Super Mario Bros. Special and it’s assets were added to “Super Mario Bros. Crossover” for a full SMB1 experience (along with Lost Levels).
Honestly if this game were released on something more like the MSX2 or any other more capable home computer it really could've been a decent conversion of the classic NES game imo; lots of good ideas are here -- they're just not well executed likely due to the limitations of the old home computers the game was made for.
Imagine if the movie does some kind of reference to this or hotel Mario.
Oooh, I see saw that loneylygooma reference you inserted in that pipe hell. I like that, even if I think that pokemon sv is not that bad. Someone should rom hack smb1 to add in the extra content from special. Never mind someone has already did that.
Someone did make a hack of Super Mario Bros. for NES where they used the level maps from Super Mario Bros. Special. That actually played well. It is what this game should have been. (Also, it is not Super Mario Bros. Crossover, but an older hack from I think 2011 or so)
A few years later, SMB Special was also done on Super Mario Maker.
So excited this series is back! Love the new outro!
Thank you Tricky Nick! This is the outro I've always wanted to have. But I couldn't find it until now.
The game itself isn't bad, it was just on bad hardware. I played this version of the game in SMC remastered, it was actually pretty fun.
8:58 LOL "Lonely Mario" XD I see you with the LonelyGoomba reference Demeech
Pokémon fanboys defend Scarlet and Violet saying “performance doesn’t matter” This game has arguably worse performance
This game is the perfect example of why performance does matter
Special's flaw came from running on a computer that had no business running games. S/V comes down to Game Freak being lazy and knowing Pokemon fans have no integrity and will mindlessly gobble up whatever trash is served to them.
@@ranpan6082 What is to be fair here, the fact is that not *_ALL_* Pokémon fans are like that. (I *_personally_* have an online friend who is a *_*huge*_* Pokémon fan but doesn't seem to be like that!)
To be fair this is a platformer while scarlet and violet is a turn based rpg. Genre matters too since pokemon does not require precise inputs and can easily be played by someone with only one hand while mario requires percision. I am not exusing SV's optimization issues im just saying that as someone who causally enjoys pokemon SV a constantly stuttering pokemon game and a constantly stuttering Super Mario game are very different issues. A constantly stuttering pokemon game makes the developers look lazy but doesn't actually affect the gameplay, while a constantly stuttering and unstable stuttering mario game can make the game genuinely unplayable.
Remember when Mario, Luigi & Peach were guest characters in NBA Streets Vol. 3? I miss having Nintendo characters guest star in Nintendo versions of games from other developers.
8:55 Nice Lonely Goomba reference
And we thought The Lost Levels was the worst sequel to a Mario game ever...
Silly us, am I quite right, ladies and gentlemen? 🧐🍷
Yes sir, because the "gameplay" looks like the gameboy color on crack!🤣🤣🤣
“Sounds like a skill issue”
Well, the Lost Levels was designed by sadists, Special's faults come down to releasing on hardware that had no business running it. Hardware limitations > sadistic game programmers.
@@ranpan6082 Those are straight facts right there. As bad as Special is, I'd rather play that than The Lost Levels...
Lost Levels feels like one of those shitty SMB1 rom hacks.
Do you stockpile content? You're a machine.
Also, lmao @ the description. You gotta make some sort of roast video where you and your friends hurl insults at bad games. It could even be a community event where the audience suggests bad games to riff on.
If you want a unique way to play SMB Special, check out Super Mario Bros. Crossover. For those who aren’t versed into fan games back in the day, it’s basically Super Mario Bros. but you get to choose as different characters from popular NES games like Link, Samus, Mega Man & Simon Belmont to name a few. While it just started out as an SMB1 remake, the game got updates that added more characters along with recreations of The Lost Levels and SMB Special plus different themes for the levels like Zelda 2, Castlevania and SML2 and skins for the characters like Atari 2600-style sprites and SMB Special-style colors for the characters. Its reputation is so well known, that the fangame Sonic Boll was created due to the original SMBC being finished years ago but never added Sonic, who was the most requested character to be in the game outside of Kirby, who also didn’t make it in and has gotten updated even to this day which basically transformed from a simple SMB remake into its own experience with multiple playable characters who aren’t in SMBC like Tails & Knuckles to name a few along with Mario & Luigi so the game can still be played like a traditional Mario game. Hoping that Demeech covers both SMBC and Sonic Boll in the future!
Nice lonely goomba joke
And people say Pac-Land is “a toddler's MS Paint drawings” smh
Soshi speaking facts once more!
People said that? Dang...
I remember recreating some levels from this particular game in Super Mario Maker 1, giving how unique they are.
But, yes, this is definitely the most unknown Mario game.
Those wonky physics and that performance, I can't imagine how bad it was for you. I will say this game releasing is admirable, but it should've been released on the NES/Famicom. I will give credit to Hudson Soft for creating it, but it had no business running on that computer. An interesting piece of Mario's history, glad there's a much better and more fun version of out there now. Don't believe I'd ever play this, probably put up with it for like five minutes. Fun video and loved the history lesson on the game!
But let's put Pokemon S/V's performance more to shame! Metroid Prime Remastered just released, runs at a crisp 900P 60FPS across the board, no problem! Looks like a modern game and it runs like butter. Kirby's Return to Dreamland Deluxe runs at a full 60FPS, that's right, burn in hell Kirby Star Allies! ... Got sidetracked there... But Pokemon S/V can join it! ;)
While I had my things to see star allies in a good light I just say if somehow you got the urge to play special on vanilla try to get the X sharp version because if you play on pc 88 my god you sure see a lot of repulsing moments
@@theenderkirby I don't think Star Allies was that bad, thought it was Nintendo's best free update game. But word of warning, watch out for spoilers, people are posting videos of Magalor's Epilogue. Ugh... Tomorrow can't come fast enough for me.
@@ranpan6082 well I only have 40 or so minutes before a new day start for me :P
@@ranpan6082 well I fine with spoilers in games is movies that bother me
I honestly really like the weird colors. Gives the game a nice fever dreamy vibe.
8:52 I love the reference to the lonely goomba, great video!
Lonely goomba fan too, huh?
I bet someone's remade this game in Super Mario Maker 2. Makes me wish even more you could search for specific level names in that game
This game is the reason Id software exists. John Romero and a few of his friends at Softdisk made a PC version of Mario 3 that Nintendo loved, but turned down due to being burned by this game. The port was so good that Apogee made a guerilla campaign of mailing fake fan letters to softdisk just to recruit them. They joined as a subsidiary, then eventually spun off into an independent company that made revolutionary PC games throughout the 1990s.
"It makes you a simp"
You got to ask yourself one question Bowser never had children until Mario 3 when he has captured the princess for the third time one thing people don't realize or know is that I'm sure that all the Cooper's kids have come from the princess so that tells you the princess has been a naughty girl with King Koopa
Imagine thinking that Mario teaches typing is better than SMB2 (aka Super Mario USA) 💀
Demeech, please just leave the impressions to Vinesauce Vinny. You don't do the voices right lmao. No offense ofc.
9:03 I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE OMG
Now I'm sitting here thinking "hmmm, there is a version on NES now, what about versions on SNES and GBC too?"
SMB 2 is/was great. Problably should give it a spin before dismissing a classic.
9:00 I can't believe you made a reference to The Lonely Goomba! 😁😁
This was the game that made us preserve it not for the history, but for spite. It truly is like ass
Wasn't this in Super Mario Crossover, with normal physics?
Can you do a reveiw of Metal Gear Solid 3D? It's a port of Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. It's pretty rare so not many people talk about it. That and it being taken off the EShop due to Historical Footage License running out.
You been doing this for 10 years and you still can't fix audio quality
Ngl, you stretching out your videos unnecessarily make me click off
This is the most intresting forgotten Mario game,i found it bizarre that this was made by Hudson way before they made Mario party 1 to DS
Wait, Hudson? As in Mario Party Hudson?
Yep.
Super Mario Bros 2/USA > SMB2 Japan/The Lost Levels I'm tired of people acting like our Mario 2 was a bad deal. Shigeru Miyamoto worked on that one, he prefers that one, and he had enemies from it appear in later games. I think the 80's Mario craze would have lost some steam, if we were given what was basically a hard ass expansion.
Yep. Lost Levels was nothing more than a "hard mode" ROM hack of SMB1 passed off as a sequel.
Which makes it extra funny when some people have compared American SMB2 to a ROM hack (as a way of bashing on it)... but conveniently fail to mention the Japanese SMB2 isn't any less "hackish."
1:02
And now I know where Busta Rhymes got that verse from.
Is it just me or is the awful scrolling nausea-inducing?
Is it just me, or does the Super Mario Bros. Special Mushroom look like a mega mushroom but smaller.
That's true of the Super Mushroom in all versions of SMB1 except All-Stars (and certain parts of SMB3). The Orange with Red Spots color scheme that we now associate with the Mega Mushroom used to be the color scheme of the normal Super Mushroom up until SMB2 USA and Super Mario World (arguably SMB3 too but I think the mushrooms in SMB3 were only red and white because of the limit of 3 colors per sprite, in this case taken up by white, red, and the black outline, considering how everywhere else in SMB3 except the actual levels, so in minigames and stuff, it's still orange and red). Pretty sure the Mega Mushroom being colored the way it is was a reference to the Super Mushroom's original color scheme.
Wtf is up with this writing? Was this script written in 2009?
Oh, I was expecting this to be the arcade port where they made it even harder than usual to drain quarters! Would be cool to see a video on that...
That's
VS Super Mario Bros
The lonely Goomba reference was just perfect
If it was wiped from history, then how are you making a video about it?
is it just me or did the graphics look amazing on original super Mario bros after watching a few minutes of gameplay from super Mario special?
0:58 Demeech is a true giga chad for referencing the audio of the comment I typed on the poop stream
I think i know what Demeech's Psychotic Fury was supposed to be. It's a transformation into Bowser distorted by anger.
So like Fury Bowser, but with MORE fury and MORE corruption (I think this is the word, feel free to correct me.)?
@@BedsideTechSupport That's a good way of thinking about it!
I played super mario special and thought it was SMB deluxe oh how wrong I were
The "improved for the NES" version of this game is on my "Super Mario Remix" multicart. I'm going to try this game out :)
There is often a debate of what mario 2 is the real sequel but it's funny cause in a weird way Mario Special could have been that if it were released internationally and on more powerful hardware, i recommend playing it either through SMBc with the improved physics (And luigi) or The Mari0 mappack, both are amazing methods to play mario bros special.
It would be nice to see this game fixed. A number of really bad and disappointing old computer games have had work done on them and had all the horrible issues fixed. I remember when the modding community made Jurassic Park Trespasser the game it was supposed to be.
Now a few 80's games that had terrible ports have better fixed versions. The slowdowns really hurt this game a ton. If you can port Super Mario Bros to the C64 I'm sure this can be fixed.
Mario has jaundice, he been hitting the bottle hard
The music sounds like depression
I remember playing this though the Special levels in the Mario Crossover Flash game
Well to be fair, it's still better than Valis on the PC-88
Isn't it funny how the gbc literally has mario 1 super mario bros deluxe and yet has probably more content and the entirely of mario 1 this pc was just so weak that the Gameboy color beat it powerwise
People can knock Hudson's team all they want... but given the hardware to get anything close to the source game they deserve at least a pat on the back.
I've had enough of people pronouncing Lakitu incorrectly. The correct pronunciation of Lakitu is "Lah Key Too." That is the correct Japanese pronunciation of Lakitu. Will you gamers please get it right! It just rubs me the wrong way so hard that people can't pronounce Lakitu correctly.
Did you played Fear n Hunger?
I had no idea Hudson Soft made Mario Party. It's kinda wild how they made a shoddy yet impressive Mario game on 8-bit computers and then went on to make the Mario Party series in the 90s.
Crazy to think Hudson Soft developed Super Mario Bros Special and the early Mario Party games
I know I am VERY late to the party but: This game is similar in obscurity to Sonic Chaos, it’s a decent game, but Nintendo does its best to try and forget it. It’s the fans that stop this game from going into obscurity.
The 35th anniversary remake made it incredible.
Yessir!
Ok that goomba joke was pretty good but I didnt expect the sudden lonely goomba reference congratulations
You should have just done the "Shut up Mario. I'm fucking ballin!"
What game is it?
I tried both pc88 and x1 versions and found the play control to be miserable, especially the jumping. I'm surprised that you didn't mention how fast the timer counts down and how running out of times is another major problem with this game.
OK, I'll accept that SMB2 was a lie. But to even suggest that anyone worth listening to would refer to that classic as "worse than Mario Teaches Typing" is sacrilege.
Lore of The Mario Game SO BAD Nintendo WIPED It From History- Super Mario Bros Special momentum 100
There's a great let's play of this game by a channel called mrpodoboo. It's an old LP but still entertaining. It's the pc88 version too.
Here’s the cliche meme that I hope someone else posted before me:
Me: Mom can we get Super Mario Bros.?
Mom: No, we have Super Mario Bros. at home.
Super Mario Bros. at home:
From what Ive heard, there's a hudson soft powerup that all it does is give you 8000 points
If somebody hacks your game so it controls like shit it's still an amazing experience. You get to dominate your enemy and make them look like a sissy.
As much of a pain in the ass as it was to watch this game go, I'm sure it had to be even more of a pain to the poor guys who played this game, even the guys who gotta sit down and review this crap. I'm sorry dude.
This was one of my least favorite Super Mario Bros (NES) Ports, so i agree
actually, i realized a while back the sprite for small mario turning around mid-run in this game is reused mario maker 2
I won't be surprised if Nintendo makes a streaming service for films. Ever heard of Nintendo Pictures?
That’s not “Super Mario” , That’s his original character “Duper Blario”
This game, and All Night Nippon SMB have been on my gaming bucket list for years.
when i was playing sonic blast i said to myself that if i use a old console i have low expectations on everything except for gameplay. do the same.
Hey man just talk like you normally do. “RUclips” voice cadences are super annoying
Idk if it's the screen shifting to the left every 8s or your voice but I'm getting a headache while learning 🙃