The Buffalo Bills DRAFT PLAN: What they SHOULD DO, what they WILL DO and be AWARE of 'EXCEPTIONS'
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With the NFL Draft this week, the Buffalo Plus team gives their thoughts on what they WANT Brandon Beane and the Bills to do in the first and what they THINK Buffalo will do.
Should the Bills trade UP in the first round to get a wide receiver or wait until day 2 in the draft to add another pass catcher to one of the worst WR rooms in the NFL? Dan explains why 'hoping' to find value in a 2nd round wide receiver has historically been a losing bet.
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Shakir IS working out with Eric Moulds . . . the desire to excel is definitely there.
Our wide receiver room is not awful…it’s incomplete. I trust that we will have a very competent wide receiver squad come game 1. Trust the process, guys. 😉
Shakir is underrated. He improved greatly from year 1 to year 2. It will continue.
This class reminds me of the 2020 class. Remember Justin Jefferson and Tee Higgins went late first and early second. I wouldn’t trade up high even though it’s tempting.
Ad Mitchell > odunze
@@123shoshaninsert trump wrong gif lol
ahh finally a pre draft show i can actually watch instead of click off after 30 seconds. thanks yall
I really hope that we can get a solid first round WR, either one that slipped through the cracks or that we get by moving up a few spots, not enough to sacrifice a huge amount of draft capital, but just enough to get a solid guy. If we can come away with two nice receivers and a running back from this draft, we could very well be the best inside/slot team in the NFL.
Kansas City won the Super Bowl last year with a weak offense and number one defense. We don't need to have the best offense to win, but if our offense can really beat people up and dominate with nice short under 10 yard plays, we can still have enough power to score. We have so much versatility that I think we could still at least be competitive, and polish the roster in 2025.
Not laughing at Metchie having cancer, but Dan just yelling “CANCER” got a good chuckle 😂
I don’t know, I really love the 1st-2nd round ish guys like Legette, AD, but even Pearsall, McConkey (my favorite, though probably not a scheme fit with how many slots guys we have, idk), and Keon Coleman.
Coleman is now massively underrated after his 40, but his gauntlet was incredibly impressive - arrow-straight line and fastest time = incredibly confident hands.
The key here is throwing multiple arrows at the board. It does NOT make sense to put your eggs in one basket if the guy is a flop or at least NOT a superstar. Do we really want to gamble on that???? Better to double dip, maybe pick up a guy in the late rounds or UDFA for depth, train up Shorter(?), invest in Shakir and Samuel. Also Mack Hollins is an underrated signing. Guy is a dawg who’s only had mediocre QB play, I’m excited to see him on the field
I agree. I would rather trade back a few spots and draft two WR’s in the second.
Leggete and McConkey are not first round talents
Keon Coleman will be a bust, especially in buffalo. They need AD Mitchell
Good show as always thank you kindly. Looking forward to seeing your show on draft day.
Kalil Shakir was a hidden gem LAST season. We will have to see if he can get any YAC & create separation before making an honest assessment. I don't hold out much hope for the season with all of the talent that was let go. I understand the "going younger" mindset but I wouldn't have super high expectations.
You guys rock! This IS the place to go for next-level Bills discussion & info!
Thank you again looking forward to Thursday
Mock Draft, 28 AD Mitchell, 60 Dwayne Carter, 70 Xavier Lagette (trade 200, 204, 248 and 2025 Buf 2nd round with Giants for pick 70). Then 128 kimchens, 133 mason mccormick, 144 Jaylen wright, 160 Javon Baker, 163 Jarius Monroe. You guys are awesome. Love the show!
Buffalo Plus + Should also cover the Sabres. Lindy is a huge boost to the Buffalo community and should be reported on.
Unless there’s a guy sitting there at 28 that you’re absolutely in love with (maybe a DeJean, Chop Robinson, or a Byron Murphy), then just trade back to get your 3rd round pick back and then take a receiver at pick 35-40. There’s so much receiver talent and it’s a total crap shoot anyway. But if you do get your Chop Robinson at pick 28, then you gotta trade up in the 2nd round. I don’t think 60 is quite good enough to still have access to all that receiver talent because a lot of teams in front of you have the same mindset. So probably gonna have to lose a 4th and maybe a 5th for that
I can't wait to see the podcast Thursday!😊
After listening to your podcast, I am now convinced we should take Johnny Newton at 28, and get a WR in the 2nd round. (and then another one in the 4th round).
I really wouldn’t mind giving up a 2nd (maybe pick swap) for Courtland Sutton and trading down in the 1st for somebody like Legette
I love you guys,you make me laugh!😊
Either make a big move for Odunze or stay at 28 and just take Leggette. Who cares if he has a second round “grade” if you think he’s a potential WR1 then take him there.
Leggete isn’t even a third round talent thank god your not the gm
No to Leggette in RD1
@@123shoshan whatever you say Mel Kiper foh
They made an exception with Shakir. Probably off certain team's boards because of arm length.
It's either go all the way up or trade back. If we stay at 28 any receivers left will be overvalued... to wait until 60, then they'll be gone. Find a partner in the 32-36 range and pick up another 2nd and a 3rd. Or get to 5-6-7 and grab whoever is there. Worry about next year's picks later.
Given the reset we need as many picks as possible. If this were a year or two ago and we can afford a big swing I would be more amenable to trading up. Given the offseason and our light roster we need the ammo. Also thank god Dan Ditka is not our GM
Thank you Mike for someone else finally telling Bills fans that they'd be laughing at other teams if it wasn't the Bills about certain things over the years
The difference in this WR class from others you all mentioned is the quality of its depth. In any other years, some of these guys would be drafted higher.
Also, being at #28 makes it incredibly difficult to trade up high enough to get the “big fish.” What team in the top 10 wants to trade down to #28?
You can argue that the Bills messed up by not drafting Jefferson. He and Josh would be growing together and would just now be getting paid.
I think they have to go the veteran trade route now bc they chose not to draft Jefferson and paid Diggs 3x instead.
Troy Franklin is a far more polished route runner than BTJ. He’s just not a strong contested catch guy. So, if you’re looking for an “Alpha WR1” Franklin is him from a route running, height, and speed perspective. BTJ is more of the project.
Lastly, there are a lot of recent exceptions: Tank Dell, Zay Flowers, Hollywood Brown, DeVonta Smith. Look at the film of the player.
Mike sounded like he started into that 6 pack trying to pronounce some names😅😅 good times sir!!
Stay at 28. Take a receiver there. Outside of the top 3 the rest are of equal value. You CAN NOT stay in the mentality that this is our year and we are one wide receiver away. This team is not one wide receiver away. Build over the next 2 drafts and keep your picks!
You’d think josh allen’s accuracy improved just off completion percentage, but that’s an illusion
Who was the Chiefs #1 wr the last two years? 🤔🤔🤔. Just curious. I’d argue that you DONT need to sell the farm to move up.
I don’t think bills development on offense isn’t good. But you do need speed and we don’t have that
@@kato-coupe1314 Samuel is just as fast as Diggs was. I agree we definitely need to add a good young wr. I just don’t think we should trade up and give up draft picks to do it. I think we have too many holes on defense to do that
The better, more important question is who was their Pass Catcher #1. The answer is the same player that has been the last 7 years of Mahomes career, Kelce.
Kelce had more reception, targets and yards than Hill in the 4 years they played together with Mahomes. What player does the Bills have that even remotely comparable to that??
How the Chiefs won has nothing to do with how we would win.
@@Invader135 I disagree. I think Kincaid has the talent to be that impactful. I also think Shakir and Sanuel are both underrated. Again, I’m not saying we don’t need to add a wr. I am saying that we don’t need to trade up to do it
@@00laramieBut thats my point, "you think" Kincaid can be that great, we dont know that. The difference is that Kelce proved he was more impactful than his team's WR1 for 4 years which is why they were confortable making the move.
Hope isnt a plan, and at the end of the day expecting that same impact is wishful thinking, where the Chiefs had a proven track record.
Staying up until damn near Midnight for them to draft Cooper Dejean would be so disappointing.
I can’t wait to hear what happens Thursday!😂
I think the only receiver the Bills drafted outside of 1st or 2nd round that became an All Pro was Andre Reed 86th spot.
If you are just rating things on playoff catches, then they should sign Michael Gallup. he has as many playoff TD's as Diggs did in Buffalo. Pretty silly right? Anyway, if they can't get who they want they should move back. Washington is a perfect trade back partner. 28 & 144 for 40 and 78. This would give them 40, 60 and 78. They will have a ton of talent available to them and they have not touched next years picks. Plus they have a shot at moving up into the back end of the 3rd still with all those late picks.
Worthy is 171 pounds, davonte smith and tank dell are also around the same weight, tank dell is 163. But yea speed dont mean that hell be great but this is a different day in age for football. We shall see how he turns out. Not saying i want him either.
Look I love you guys and I love this podcast but I couldn’t agree less. You are literally making the point NOT to draft a WR in round 1.
If you’re not getting top 4 you are better off trading up in the second for a wr and taking best available secondary player in the first.
No they definitely aren't stop overvaluing draft picks that aren't going to move the needle on this team. It's better to get a few sure fire starters then a handful of just average players that might make some plays in the future...
Picking them earlier guarantees nothing 😂😅@@Billsdude17
I'm not seeing that. Its almost a definite if there isn't a move for an existing WR in free agency. The drop off in talent when pick 60 comes around is definitely noticeable. A 2nd pick in later rounds is ok but leaving 15 or so WR in this draft to be picked by the other teams when the WR room looks like it is, is crazy to me.
I've seen compelling arguments for trading up and down. The Packers weren't far off winning their divisional game against the 49ers, and their cap hit for all their WRs is around 11 million.
What place sounds like a place you should hear a bills podcast??
RUMBLE
Diggs was not performing as a number 1 the last half of the season. Diggs was a liability with his behind the scenes antics. Josh was probably glad to see him go.
I would trade down, you still get a good receiver. Josh will make a 3rd 4th round look like a top second
We have alot of holes maybe rookis wont get poached off the practice squad like nick broeker, richard gouraige, raheem Blackshear, isaigh hodgins, nick mcloud, alex austin, we'll see
My shoot for the stars WR dream pick in the 1st is either of the guys from LSU
10:37 every single player you read in the 2-3 was a starter or contributed to the team lol
Best player available at 28. If that isn't a WR, trade up for an additional 2nd rounder and draft 2 WRs in that round. Lots of talent at WR this year, there will be some very good players there.
The 1st 6 games Stephon had 5 - 100 yard games and 5 touchdowns. That was a great start to the season. Afterwards he was bad the last 12 games of the year as he was at the end in 2022.
Stephon: 42 receptions on 71 targets (most on the team), 388 yards, 59.2% reception rate, passer rating when thrown to 77.7, drop rate 12.5% and 2 touchdowns.
Khalil: 28 receptions on 33 targets, 424 yards, 84.8% reception percentage, passer rating when thrown to 149.1, drop rate 3.4% and 3 touchdowns. Less than half as many receptions and more yards!!!
Dalton Kincaide: 44 receptions on 56 targets, 406 yards, 78.6% reception percentage, passer rating when thrown to 99.9, drop rate 6.4% and 3 touchdowns.
Gabe Davis: 17 receptions on 33 targets for 248 yards, reception percentage 51.5%, passer rating 71.3, drop rate 10.5% and 2 touchdowns.
Do not trade away multiple future assets for a WR. I am sure that Odunze will be good but is he really worth more than what we could build with someone like McConkey + next year’s first (CB, DE, DT etc….)
I hope that Beane plays it smart and lets the draft come to him or trades back.
Perhaps a day 2 or 3 trade for a veteran would help round out the receiver room
Go Bills
Adonai is better than odunze
If enough exceptions are made, an exceptional team is born. Exceptional!
That they are all in agreement on Odunze makes this the best episode of this podcast.
Yes UW Fan Washington state Resident. TY For saying his name right.
Almost had to write it out. Ohdunezay
Tank Dell, Devonte Smith , Djax, and Worthy plays at 170-175 .
Make Von pay for a rookie
He already has, basically. Von has proven his love for Buffalo and being a team first guy. He got injured. It happens.
1st Round pick needs to be a starter. Idc who it is and what position they play. If you spend a 1st Round pick on a hopeful player and miss, you set your team behind.
Dan,we need to get you on a charter boat!😊
Mike...any news on Lindy? I heard you on the presser
The Bills still have two really good receiver threats at TE (Dawson had a hand injury last year) and a threat to run / receive in James Cooke. Josh mentioned his conversation with Joe Brady that if he’s trying really hard to feed his main guy (Stephon), he’s doing a disservice to the offense. He needs his eyes to be where the play calls for them to be, not trying to feed a particular WR. It’s comparable to how the league had their feature back stage but now teams do very well with RB by committee. Maybe we don’t want to try to force the ball to one top WR. The Bills have said in the past that they look at trends and try to get out in front of those trends. This seems like one of those times.
I believe they can get Jacob Cowing and Ainias Smith in the 4th or later. Bud Means in the 5th or later. Jacob is that guy that’s always open and he’s a threat after he catches it. He should be considered one of the better WRs in the draft. I can see where the Bills might have an amazing WR room even if they wait until day three. I’m sure I’ll get some bad remarks for saying that but research those guys before you call me an idiot.
We need to go all in, hit on a day 1 starter, and ride the rookie contract to the Super Bowl.
My gut feeling is if Beane can't move up to get Brian Thomas or if he isn't there at 28, then he will go DE in 1st and move up in the 2nd to get one or two of the WR's left.
Dan never catching a fish, is not a shock to me. lol
Love the show but ya bugging. We at 28 trying to get into the top 10 for him. Mortgage the future for the next three years and if he is a miss you just set us back mad long. The wr class is so deep most these day 2 guys would be day one next year as well. Dont give up the house
To say that our WR room is really bad seems wrong to me. Curtis Samuel is a big improvement over Gabe. Mack Hollins seems like an improvement over Sherfield. Khalil is a very good slot receiver. They have developmental guys, including former 2nd rounder Andy Isabella and a size speed guy in Justin Shorter both going into year two with the team. They’re going to find a good WR in the draft or more than one. They’re probably only going to roster 6 guys.
So, if they’re better at every spot but WR1, is it really a bad WR room? Stephon had 5 really good games last year but was otherwise not getting it done. I’ll post the comparison stats. If they get one guy in a talented draft class, they’ve got a WR room that’s potentially the best they’ve had since Cole and Steph were tops in 2021.
It’s not good. Not close to good. Gabe was a pretty mediocre player. I agree Samuel could be better. But Diggs was a top 10-15 WR. Shakir is young. Holland is a special teams player. Andy Isabella isn’t and NFL receiver. Justin Shorter is a total unknown. Right now it’s a bottom 5 WR room that could improve greatly in draft
To get Odunze they need pic 9 from Bears. Probably not gunna happen. Need to get to 15 or 17 to get Thomas Jr. If no move up get McConkey at 28. If he's gone to go D line or edge. Then pray you get a needle in the haystack at. 60???
This draft and pending free agency before the season starts could be key for the next 2 to 3 years for this teams direction. Wasting Allens talent away in his prime will haunt Beane and Sean....you have to go all in while Josh is in his prime years....not having a 1 #1 WR in your squad is CRIME.
Trading down makes more sense 😊
Depends on if they have a First round grade on a guy that is close then maybe possibly trade up to like pick 20 if…….
It really depends on how the board looks at pick 28
@@adamant5550 We're not getting anyone close to replacing Diggs at 28. We need to trade up
We're fucked if we don't add receiving talent. Trading down gets us nothing
@@joeschmoe435 I mean, Diggs was a 5th round draft pick
Beane literally said they're not 1 player away... so you think he's going to give up valuable assets this year and next year for a wr? 😂😅 beane will grab a talent, and he'll be smart about it. He's always been aggressive, but he's never mortgaged the future to do so. Sure, he may grab a wr, but not if it means giving away all of whats needed for the reload
Everyone is too high on AD for Buffalo.. there are red flags all over that dude. Not a culture fit and I cant imagine Beane taking that big of a risk in the first round. Too bad Legette, baby AJ Brown, who can take a slant 75 yards to the house doesnt have enough "sizzle" lol 🙄
Thank you for your podcast. Dan after Ditka traded all his draft picks to the Washington 2 years later Ditka was fired and the Saints sank into the toilet. The Bills defensive line and offensive line are need of players. The defensive line the Bills are putting on the field is basically the same defensive line the chiefs blowed out in the playoffs last year. The Bill have to get tougher on both sides of the ball. The Bills defensive line is soft to me. One player never makes a team. The Bills safety position is so so. The receiver room is better shape the safety room and defensive line.
Do we still have room to add a vet wr?
I really hope we don't move up and lose our draft picks.
I like trading up if you can. If get a rookie wr1 you can bank on, you save cap for years, that you can spend on D or the OL.
I think Beane will try to move way up but he may not have enough. Yes, that's 2 #1's a 2nd and a 4th.
Started to drink with Jenna's first "That's fair" @ 6:30 and now I can't focus on the screen...great drinking game Jenna!! (That's fair").
We must go Wr Round One-No question about it.
If you pick a receiver at #28, then use one of next year's second round picks to move up in the second and double dip. You could get a Franklin and Worthy, for example. If you make a big move, you have a one player draft, with picks on day 2.
Make a big move up and you don't pick again until Saturday. You would have to trade #60.
So what you then have that mega player that they need bad
You are right we need to sell the farm and get the top one
I can’t believe Mike says our receiver room is awful🤔 I mean cmon they aren’t that bad. We just need another 1 or 2
Bills dont need all their draft picks, they need to move up and get a stud WR in the first. Its the biggest need
Sammy Watkins, EJ Manuel, Von Miller…… let’s not put too much into one player because it many times doesn’t pay off. If we get a lot of draft picks, we’re gonna hit on some of them. We will find another Shakir.
Define sizzle Dan, he runs sub 4.4 at 6'1" 220lbs
30 mins of Dan…. 😊
need to point out that Wan'Dale Robinson had a knee injury in the rookie year and was getting to "healthy" till the end of last season. How can you say a team with 10 picks don't have the ammo, they have 10 picks and the chiefs only have 7
A Mercedes still need maintenance like a Toyota except oil change super high😊
We gave up plenty of draft picks and money for Diggs. He was effective in his prime, but now we need to replace him. That may mean giving up significant draft capital to move up, but it will be worth it in the end
Need to show podcast on RUMBLE
Mitchell is not a great hands catcher and has had problems separating. He’s a type 1 diabetic too not sure how much that sways anything but I could see him falling to 28.
I actually think Dan is right about cooper and I see bills be aggressive in round two to land Leggett, Lad or Franklin. And I honestly would be ok with it. They love corners so you know this is very possible.
I think the only teams with worse wr rooms are the panthers and the chargers. It’s a major problem
The Buffalo Plus team is focusing on the benefits of moving up to get one of the top three, to the exclusion of the costs. Need offensive linemen, not there. Thin at safety, not unexpected.
The mental gymnastics of trying to justify moving into the top 15 done in this podcast was impressive to listen to. And then the crew goes on to make the point that in 2020 a very heavy wide receiver draft like the current one we are in produced a lot of productive wide receivers, the bills have too many needs to put that much capital into hoping a wide receiver will hit that early. Don’t even need to bring up Sammy Watkins. Hang at 28 and be willing to go up to 20, besides that there’s no proof that the back half of the wide receivers Won’t be number ones it’s admittedly a crap shoot. I would rather get a Leggette and maybe even a McConkey in the first two pics than get one of the “top four” receivers.
i’m all in for the Bills taking Jackson Powers-Johnson (JPJ) the center from Oregon, in the 1st round.
consider:
Josh became the tush push king after Brady took over. he had good success in short down yardage but it was clear that the Bills needed more “push” than what Mitch Morse and Ryan Bates at center could bring… and THAT’s why they were both released.
getting JPJ changes all that. let’s not forget that the tush push, when done well, is SO effective that there was talk about banning it among fans and game announcers. the Eagles had a 41/44 (93%) 1st down/goal success rate. its a MASSIVE advantage for the offense. i believe the Bills are all in to get JPJ to combine with Josh for the remainder of Josh’s best running years.
also, Beane announcing to the world that McGovern was the new center just when Morse was released was strange… that’s team intel… why give that away so quickly? and Josh talking TOO much (lol) about the new center in his last presser… this is all smoke.
if you could make one pick to practically guarantee all 3rd & 2 or goal line conversions… that’s some serious drive extending/finishing power. we all noticed it when Brady took over… the tush push is overpowered and locking that in for the next 5-7 years while Josh’s legs are still fresh makes a TON of sense.
it’s almost GM malpractice not to get Josh a true blue chip center… and i’m certain Brady wants that tush push maxed out for next season. with our beefed up Oline and elite TEs… the Bills will be VERY hard to stop anywhere on the field.
Beane probably needs to trade up into the mid-teens to make sure to get JPJ.
i’d appreciate your thoughts! :)
Player by the name Frazier highly rated. To me the Bills need offensive and defensive line players as well as wide receivers. I like Shakir and Samuels Josh will take care of the receivers if they get open and catch the ball. Josh made John Brown a 1000 yard receiver. Interesting Tandem Legette and Javon Baker are interesting
Love your idea except the trade up part. I’d love to see them trade down for a change and get a 2nd & 3rd for their 28th pick. Even Brandon is saying that the player at 28 won’t have a round one grade. There’s typically 20 - 25 guys in a draft with a 1st round grade. JPJ may be one of them but these guys can develop too and we have a top OL coach. Just believe they should see who’s there at 28. If nobody is standing clearly above the others, trade back and get that 3rd we should have had. Really good centers are usually drafted after the 1st.
Jenna "That's Fair" Cottrell
I like UCF WR Javon Baker 2.
3:18 weird saying cap isn’t real when we were -50 m
Get Rice in the later rounds
Also the reason Shakir dosent have a lot of stats isn’t cause he isn’t good or was slow to catch on. It’s cause McDeromett never trusts his rookies n holds them back. Theres a good chance Shakir would’ve become a starter earlier cause he probably would have had more playing time.
I have a feeling kc will move up into the top ten and get a receiver. I feel like noone is expecting them to do it. They're a ninja in the draft.
How about instead of looking at which round these guys are projected Beane uses his wizardry to pick based on the long term study of these guys, combined with interviewing them and getting reports from their coaches and team mates?
Go Bills!! 🔵🔴🏈🔥💯
Ok, to this point, the W/R Shorter from last year draft has been a punching 👊 line, so I'm asking the kid is a bust? Assuming to this point that he is 🤔🤦♂️
I would be happy with Asonai Mitchell 😊
Pickens only fell because of character issues too. And probably accurately so
Diggs 2015, round 5, pick 146
Reed 1985 , round 4, pick 86.
Lesson no one owns a crystal ball.
Massive exceptions to the normal rules
19:54 so with that logic let’s trade every pick every year to move in the top 10 and get one guy a season of every player sucks after lol wild
M8ke did a good job of describing this podcast. "Dumb, Dumb, Dumb"
Josh Allen needs more weapons. The Bills had to move on from Diggs and Davis. Diggs
has become a possession receiver and Davis has bad hands and cannot run routes. The
Bills should draft multiple WR this year.
I Like Xavier Worthy 2.
Thx All…… Go Bills