ORIGAMI DRIPPER - The Beauty & The Brew
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2020
- The Origami dripper is by far, at least in my opinion, the most attractive coffee dripper I've ever seen. It's angles, colors, and build is unlike anything on the market, but what really matters is how it brews. So I finally picked one up and put it to the home barista test.
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If you pour a tiny bit of water in the center of a kalita filter, then push down the kalita filter along the sides the filter will perfectly match the origami fins. This allows for a much faster flow rate and a finer grind size. Rogue Wave coffee’s RUclips shared this technique.
I find the Origami to be much more based on your kettle flow than with other drippers and find it to be faster than the Kalita at the same grind size.
Personally I do three pulses for a 15/240 recipe. 50/130/240. Bloom until :30, slow pour until :50. Then a much faster pour At 1:10 until around 1:20. The last pour is a circle then center pour. My brews finish around 1:50-2:00.
Makes perfect sense: angles fit into other similarly shaped angles like puzzle pieces. If you want to preserve the airflow purpose of ridges or angles, they need to be adjacent to a contrasting shape. So, angular edges against a smooth surface (whichever is which in terms of filter and brew device) are the needed elements to keep the flow on the go.
There are two things that can stop me from studying : one is hunger, second is when sprometheus drop a new video
You missed the opportunity to say: caffeine deprivation.
I have had the Origami for 2 days and I couldn't be be happier with it. I've run the Stagg finned filters (Kalita) and the Cafec filters and both made great cups of coffee - I couldn't believe it but I cracked open a 2 week off roast bag of Black Label from B+W today - and my first cup was outstanding. No struggles with grind or temp. And my brew times have been over the 3:45 mark - but I learned this last week that brew time is a very very rough guide. If you're getting good coffee at 4:30, who cares. Out of my v60, 3 cup Chemex, Stagg, Origami, I will be reaching for the Origami probably 99% of the time.
Very informative video! Also, I just bought a bag of coffee from Little Giant and I am so excited for it to come, trying to support my favorite content creator
Thanks Luke! I appreciate you watching and picking up some coffee! The next roast day is just around the corner! Cheers!
Very interesting and informative, appreciate your honesty and integrity. Superbly done
I share your sentiments sir. Have tried using v60, Kono and Cafec filters on the Origami and I’ve been enjoying the sweetness and complexity of my beans as opposed to the wave filter. I thought I was doing something wrong but your review have put the right words in my mouth “dense” and too thin to my liking.
I will still experiment on the wave filters using different techniques and hopefully I stumble upon a more pleasant outcome. Take care!
The best bro! Love it!
I'd love to see your thoughts on how to use different pour methods to bring out specific flavor notes based on origin and personal preferences. I know every new coffee I get, I try the same core recipe, but some need way more adjustments than others.
Second that. I've found that natural/ honey processed coffees in particular are like a delicate precious stone that you have to be careful when dealing with them. I'd love to hear Sprometheus' take on this.
My best cups from the Origami using the Kalita filters are always by pouring slowly and carefully. Never the one second swirls in and out. I find it brews much quicker if it doesn't get too full, too fast.
In case anyone wants to know: 33g coffee (light roast, grind medium fine) to 500g water; 75g bloom @ 45 seconds; first pour to 300g; second to 400g; and third to 500g, a little spin after each of the three pours and let each drain all the way. Total time is 4 minutes.
That thing sure is beautiful. But part of me sees dropping it on the tile floor in a confused state of under caffeination.
Kalita Wave, for me, is always shorter. I aim for 2:30 to 3. it's always clean and balanced. I've seen the same for 185 filters in the Origami with a TDS of 23%. Now I'm anxious to get my Origami so I can compare to your video! Thanks!
New here, and late to the conversation. I had the same result with the kalita filters in the origami. But one thing I would like to add that you didn't cover, the cafec origami filters (designed for the brewer) produce fantastic results. I highly recommend picking some up!
I am having nice results using the small version dripper with kalita wave filters 155 and grinding on step 19 on a commandante. I also use max 20g of coffee and 300 ml water so that might why I am not clogging it. But coffee is really good.
Try it with a lily drip, Cafec filter, to me it is a bit of a middle ground between V60 and Kalita. That is what I do when I feel fancy and have time in the morning. Mainly because I have the wood holder, so needs quite some time cleaning and drying and that ceramic is quite fragile looking so I let it cool a little before rinsing it off.
TBH it just looks good on the shelf...
Well, I would love to have a coffee that you made! Cheers!
That’s very kind of you! Thanks!
Great video as usual, thank you! Keen to know what Niche setting range you typically use for filter. I have been doing a one full revolution anti clockwise to start at 0 and that is the only grind that looks and taste like a filter.
Awesome review. Sadly, my V60 is in a different country so I got an Origami Dripper (thanks to a local roaster's suggestion) so I couldn't do a side-by-side, so this was a helpful review. I do enjoy it but I find storage a bit tricky unless I store it upside down, which doesn't look that pretty haha).
Also, I have a review request: Espro Bloom (though I'm sure you've already had many requests for that one).
I've been contemplating to get one previously as I've been only using v60 and looking to try flat-bottom. It was quite a hype before, but not much lately I think. So I ended up buying kalita wave 😆. You pointed out exactly what I've been thinking, the wave on the paper/dripper was to channel air better for better control, however if the wave on the paper and the dripper stick together, then it doesn't serve the purpose.
If you haven’t already check out Coffee With April RUclips on the Origami. They do a 12g of coffee, pretty fine, to 200g water, no bloom. You kinda degas by grinding earlier and letting it sit out longer. The brew always comes out sweeter to me than the v60. They are definitely thinking outside the traditional coffee brewing box.
I tried that method as I worked though many others and it didn’t really do much for me.
@@Sprometheus 🤷♂️
Great looking brewer! That being said it seems as though coffee brewing for the most part is understood and products that come out now try and interest people by design or very small changes in process. Would look stunning on a brew bar though ❇️
It definitely has its place, and looks amazing in the brew bar. But some people love it and swear by it. So to each their own.
Hi. Is there any chance u could do a video or review on the espro bloom pour over? Thanks
What's the water temperature you use for the two different filters? Are they the same temperature? What you described as under extraction sounds suspiciously as result of low water temperature.
Interesting video! I've noticed that you stick to your Niche grinder for pour over videos, not just your espresso. I've heard people say NZ has too many fines for pour over. What do you think? Also, and chance you will review the Fellow Ode?
It would be interesting to hear from you about using Aeropress funnel as a dripper (Ray Murakawa called it Aerowave) :)
Considering the WBrC was won with the Origami with the wave filters and not the cone filters, I am very curious as to what might be causing the low EY and untasty brews. I've had excellent brews with the Origami on both filter types as well but I do find the Wave filters to choke but nothing that a coarser grind and a higher brew temp couldn't fix. It chokes less than the December dripper which is another flat bottom dripper. I have no experience with other flat bottom drippers past these though.
Would you happen to know which the fastest flowing Kalita is?
nice video sprometheus. I think this dripper shines using the advice from patrick rolf at april but that's just me
I’m really curious about what is making your kalita filter times so long. I’ve been using an origami with those along with a regular V60 and I use the same grind setting on both and get times without about 15 second of each other. So extremely different from your results.
Spro mentions that he saw the wavy ridges on the Kalita filters collapse onto the equally wavy Origami dripper, creating an air lock.
thanks for the video. Have you tried the melitta filter?
OMj! I was peeping these after your video on roast specific paper filters. The black one is super futuristic! The three colors look nice as a little gang of misfits too. Cheers! ⬛️P.S. a thought : what if you put the drip/pour dispersing disk (that clear plastic one) at the bottom inside the origami while you use the kalita paper? I don’t have either to try it out, but it seamed (maybe only in my mind) fairly reasonable.
When you switch from v60 paper to kalita I think you need to adjust the grind size. Lot of people tend to get under extracted coffee when they switch to kalita
Do you think you should adjust the grind size up or down? Which should be more coarse?
With origami + kalita wave filters, I usually grind medium coarse to mimic my brew times with a standard kalita dripper. (e.g. 30-34 clicks on Comandante)
From my experience, I made enjoyable cups with both the V60 paper and the Kalita paper. A little more clarity with V60 and a little more body with the Kalita. I’ve been using the Cafec Light Roast V60 papers. The Kalita paper does then draw down a little slower. One thing I appreciate about the Origami is that the mass of it is a lot less than V60, Cafec Flower and other similar droppers. I’ve notice the slurry temp is a little higher with the Origami.
The Cafec light roast filters are my go to as well. It is quite a bit lighter for sure, which is nice in terms of robbing thermal energy, but every time I set it down I do it ever so softly because I feel like it could chip.
It may have lower specific heat but if you preheat a heavier ceramic dripper I would assume it would keep the heat better and give better isolation than a lighter one
Spro can you make a no cut version of brewing with Cafec light roast? Whatever I do I can't go less than 8 minutes of brew time.
Where did you get that plastic base for the origami?
Hello ! Which app do you use for your TDS ? I'm currently using an excel sheet and i'd prefer having a decent app :p
Thanks!
the question will be is better experience origami then a kalita or hario v60? is a good election ? i wanna buy from aliexpress but i dont know if really change the flavor with the other i mention can somebody help if is a good buy or not?
I was wondering which brand of origami dripper I should purchase?
Do you know were I can get one in San Diego? seems like their website is down, and the ones from amazon seem iffy
I don’t know of anyone who sells them locally, but I got mine at slowpoursupply.co
Hey man, I am looking for filters for my origami, what SIZE of Kalita or V60 should I grab? There are like 2-4 and 4 and I am just so confused, there is so much!
I've had a similar experience with Origami + Kalita, but have also had it on similar brewers like Melitta cone filter types, where faster flowing ones (Kalita 102 for example) are actually more choke prone than Beehouse and slower flow rate ones. The extra flow rate actually seems to at times cause fines to saturate the filter more easily due to the added flow and velocity.
I don't think "restricted" brewers are a linear relationship anyway given that realistically the 3 holes of a Kalita brewer can still flow fast enough to hit a sub 2 minute brew time-grind and the filter still dominate the kind of brew time you hit. It's more that the bottom functions to dampen the kettle pour and induce a churning and spreads the agitation better versus an empty filter that can only rely on the coffee bed to absorb it.
Today's biggest question is: Origami vs Hario Switch - which one to buy? 😀
Choices are hard! Haha
I'd say Hario Switch, cause You have the valve, which gives You more options of brewing
Switch
Is it me or is everyone all of a sudden into the Switch because James uses it...
Hario switch is way more interesting, The V60 can also take wave filters btw. it works great for smaller brews
It 100% depends on your recipe and the amount of minerals in the water. This also affects drawdown time. That's one reason different brew styles might be more favourable or work in different regions. Anything is possible. The best brewer is the one you like the most.
What grind setting do you normally use on the niche for pour over ?
Usually right around 40
Weirdly, I find the origami to provide way better drain times than my metal wave, which is very prone to clogging. Actually I find the metal wave a bit defective due to the lack of space between filter and bottom (tends to droop and clog). My tsubame wave and glass one work fine ish though! (Paper is clog prone and requires delicate pours unlike v60.)
Curious if you tried reducing your agitation? Wave type brews tend to prefer low agitation.
Scott Rao's got a little trick that he uses to solve that issue with the Wave! He mentions it in his latest pour over recipe video, in case you haven't seen it yet.
@@_mattnguyen I'll take a look!
When using Origami+V60 paper filter, I got a little stronger body than V60 but the acidity and aroma still bright as usual
btw~ my origami is same as yours what a coincidence XDD
I wonder if any company makes a “quicker” flat bottom Kalita-like filter. (Like the cafec line). Maybe that would help? I wonder about the blue bottle filters, espro bloom filters, or fellow filters.
Have all three, ESPRO is the fastest of the three by a long shot. Fellow is pretty quick and the heat retention is good, Blue bottle filters are expensive, but the dripper looks pretty good.
Mixeddrinks Yes, but I mean using those paper filters FOR origami.
@@MuccaPazzaWorld ohh I read your comment wrong thought you meant brewer, hmm interesting question, I don't think they will fit aside from the blue bottle ones, should be faster.
I've successfully used filters for the stagg x, kalita filters, and the f70 filters from saint anthony industries. they all work if you figure out your grind size and pouring structure
Will you or have you try the Hario Switch? I wonder how it does against V60.
Yeah I’ll get around to it eventually. Trying to balance out reviews with educational stuff.
@@Sprometheus Awsome !
I watched all of your videos
Thanks for watching James!
how durable is the Origami? is it porcelain? (highest fire clay body)
I can’t say for sure as I’m pretty careful with it, but it feels fragile.
Wanted to get a origami but I always want to stick to the OG stuff so in this case the kalita and v60.
We Shifted from a v60 to a v60 tetsu and finally a kalita 155 tsubame at the café and we are getting a much cleaner/sweeter cup. We even tried using a v60 with a lily drip(i think you should make a vid reviewing this bec it makes a huge diff and customers seem to agree with us) and we got a sweeter cup vs a normal v60 setup. In the end we just did a blind taste test with a couple of customers and everyone loved the final cup results coming from a kalita.
I’ll definitely have to give the Lily a go, it’s on my list. I’m not surprised that the Kalita is a more appealing option for most folks though, it’s dense flavor and balance with a bit lower acidity is definitely more broadly appealing.
yeah, lily review please. I found on Ali pretty cheap.
@@Sprometheus The lily will give your v60 the much needed sweetness. Try the lily with a normal v60 and a tetsu v60. The brewers cup champion in the Philippines has his own custom lily that fits the tetsu v60 a bit more bec if you use the donut shape on a tetsu v60 it basically gives you a very slow draw down. So try to acquire that if possible.
Yah we try to bring the sweetness out in our coffee. I opened the first specialty coffee shop in my city so we are trying to approach things we do at the shop from a beginners point of view. Sweet coffee= happy customers = amazing first experience of specialty coffee
Nice vid
Thanks Kiran!
Kalita Wave produces the best consistently good cups…every time. Just need to dial it in.
Damn glad I wasn't the only one. I got bummed out by the hype of the Kalita filters on the Origami. I got an Origami because people always brag about how good their brews are in the origami. After a while, it always felt like a faster v60 and an always choking Kalita wave wannabe.
Although, "ONCE" I got a brew which tasted so sweet and complex with the Kalita filters inside the Origami I was shocked. It was sweeter and had a more complex flavor compared to my real Kalita wave brews. And that brew finished at aroung 6mins, until now I'm still trying to figure out what happened then. It's been months and still no brews that tasted like that with the origami. If I had to let go of one dripper from my collection, it would be the Origami.
I definitely felt like I may be the only one, had so many people tell me how amazing the Kalita filters worked.
I still use it and still drop in a Kalita and try and do something different from time to time, but still new brew that really made me take a step back. But I do use the V60s in it all the time.
@@Sprometheus Yeah, when I told others on a group they just told me to grind coarser which I've already tried prior to that and I always get a watery cup just to get in that 4mins or less brew time (which I'm excited to see your video on that ❤️)
Yeah, I use mine as an extra dripper for v60's with Lilydrip which makes a fantastic cup!! Also tried pushing the Kalita filters lower to make the flat bottom smaller to have faster brew time. It just made a somewhat v60'ish brew with more body but nothing special.
After watching this, it helped me realize that maybe a pour over device may not be right for me, thanks! Is there something apartment friendly that generates a thick/creamy mouthfeel?
I'd direct you to a manual lever expresso system like the flair ! But it might not be ideal if you want to pour multiple shots at a time.
If you prefer a full cup of coffee to espresso, an immersion brewing method like French press will have more body. Lately places have been doing pour-over brewers with little valves to allow the coffee to have immersion time, too - the two off the top of my head are Clever Dripper and Hario Switch, but I haven't tried them. Cloth or metal filters in a pour-over will also let more oils through into the cup and give a thicker texture; my favorite overall method is actually the Hario Nel dripper which is basically just a sock on a ring :)
EDIT: I should also add I bought the Origami dripper about a month ago and had the same experience as other folks here and in the video. Didn't love the Kalita filters.
I'm a bit late to the party on this, but get yourself a moka pot and if it's too intense, use hot water to bring body closer to filter if you want
Anyone used Chemex filters with the Origami?
Lovee your videos
Awesome content
Can you do one with the fellow stag ??
Also could be awesome if you could do like a comparison between metodos
This is what happens when you've mastered pulling espresso shots...
Here we are in 2022 now and they are still reinventing the wheel in terms of hot water passing over ground coffee! I am a big fan of the Hario Switch purely for the versatility. Workflow is super simple if you just want a quick coffee, but is as complex as you want to make it if you have the time and inclination to experiment with ratios/time/grind/paper type/water flow/water temperature etc. One device that can do it all
Please do hario switch!
It’s on the list for sure.
I love the ceramic Kalita wave….my favorite cup every time.
I came to the exact same conclusion : after the initial hype of being able to use both filters, I naturally came back to v60 filters in the origami. Flavors are much more vivid and clarity is better.
Disclaimer : I tend to favor clarity and aromas over texture and mouthfeel in my brews.
I think you convinced me to not buy an origami. For now I’ll stick with my Kalita and Chemex
i think your grinder is the problem to be honest. I dont experience long brew times with the origami with the kalita filters.
We are reaching critical gimmick mass in coffee
Your conclusions depend heavily on the filters you chose for your comparisons. There are so many paper filter options these days from the likes of hario, cafec, fellow, kalita, and even the origami dripper itself has branded filters. One combination of dripper and filter is not likely to be best for all coffees.
Yeah, that may be true. But who has every filter on hand? The fact remains my experience is what it is, and like I said, others have had better luck so I’m not saying they don’t work, just didn’t for me.
Should I have 1 or 2 Big Macs today..... 🍔 🍔 ??
Two for sure, it’s Friday. Treat yo’self
why stop at 2
First!
Indeed
I’ll trust the world barista champ with the ability to use Kalitas. With cones the “airflow” is really just allowing bypass and temperature instability.
But it’s all about taste and personal preference. You do you!