This film really makes me feel like the spirit of Michael Eisner and his constant need to make direct to dvd sequels to classic Disney films truly never left the company.
I wish I had the right stuff to make VHS cases and logos, just for the nostalgia. I still have a working VCR just for the pre-special ed Star Wars Trilogy
@@makeitthrough_ I'd rather welcome back the Disney did quality movies, and TV shows that are still loved by generations than the Disney that just puts out product, and cringe that'll be dated in A few years.
Maybe the villain alliance would also have worked better for a second season, since there probably were several one off villains that got scrapped for time.
Friendly reminder that The Day the Earth Blew Up: A Looney Tunes Movie, a new fully 2D animated film in what feels like forever, is coming out February 28, 2025. Ya'll gotta see it when it does. I don't expect much in the way of marketing, hence why I'm trying to get word of mouth out there.
Lin Manuel Miranda returning for the remake and not the sequel, Auli'i Cravalho finishing her recording two months ahead of release and the fact that this wasn't even supposed to happen to begin with shows that Disney really did just shit this one out with minimal marketing and it's sadly gonna make a fuckton of money.
They really needed something to soothe that burn from last year, releasing two box office bombs for the holiday months, so they hastily slapped together a “sequel” to a film gaining lots of traction as of late, and they are gonna take away the worst things about its success….
Relatively speaking, _Moana 2_ received more marketing in my area than _Wish_ did: I didn't see a _Wish_ trailer precede _Mario_ , _Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 3_ , _Across the Spider-Verse_ , or _Barbie_ , but I did see a _Moana 2_ trailer precede _The Wild Robot_ .
Not if Sonic the Hedgehog 3 can compete with Moana 2! Trust me, that film's marketing definitely has stronger pulling power to pull just enough box office sales away from Moana 2 and Mufasa: The Lion King, desperate uninspired Disney cash-grabs that are not worth the cash they want to grab. November 29, 2024, 6:54am
I asked Pan for the video of the characters singing Let it Go, he told me the video is long gone and he has it saved on his computer. Once again another video lost to time.
Pan asked me to fetch him 5 bucks at momocon once I was just a fan trying to help out. I was super excited and he said he’d pay me back. That was 7 YEARS AGO. Anytime I tried to reach out to bring this up to him, he’d block him. Ik it’s only 5 bucks but it’s the principle man This comment and yours just goes to show that no matter what; you can’t put faith on your heroes You can’t rely on anyone to get the job done these days
@@RebelTaxi In 1941, the animators were paid far more than median salary. For the record, their starting pay was better than an enlisted man (Animation was a prestige artform at the time, rather than a "cheap" medium). They went on strike over working hours and working conditions, not over pay, which they'd negotiated in the late twenties and early thirties. What made the 1940-1941 strike as significant as it was is the fact that, for (arguably) the first time, the studio couldn't simply throw money at the problem to make it go away, because the point of diminishing returns had been passed and workers aren't machines that take wages as fuel and output work. Heck, if you adjust for inflation and actual purchasing power, the Disney animators of 1940-1941 were, on the whole, paid more then than most workers are now. Japanese animators have never had an industry wage standard that good, ever. It'd be more accurate to say "underpay them like they're Studio Ghibli and it's 1997". Sorry, animation history enthusiast here, had to nerd out a bit.
@@thispersonwriting1889 Your nerding out is greatly appreciated by me. We need to be more informed about past history to know what union power can do again today. November 29, 2024, 6:50am
I'm not entirely convinced Pan didn't make that bad cartoon characters singing Let It Go snippets himself and he's trying to pass it off like he found the video on RUclips.
We went through a 80’s nostalgia phase, a 90’s nostalgia phase, welcome to the 2000’s nostalgia phase complete with Disney sequels. Hopefully there won’t be a 9/11 sequel too
Pan is being way too harsh. Everyone knows the best movies are made by hastily sewing together 3 inconsequential TV episode stories into a last minute feature film. Everyone loved the Star Wars Clone Wars movie.
4 episodes, actually. And to be fair they do have consequences throughout the series, like setting up why Jabba decides to become the overlord of the entire Hutt crime syndicates, introduces Ahsoka, etc...
"The Rock has still got it!" And by "it", we mean that pansy-ass contract clause where he can't lose a fight in a movie! Call him The Paper, because his ego is so thin.
You guys are trying way too hard. This is a solid 6/10, I don't way why you guys are doing this considering all of the trash live action reboots we are getting
@BainesMkII Yes it is... you got me? I would rather take a sequel that lacks ambition than a soulless cash grab that doesn't even bother to any ambition from the very start. It doesn't make any sense to act like Moana 2 is setting a new low
@@wrequiem1727 They're both soulless cash grabs, what are you talking about? Also the difference "lacks ambition" and "doesn't even bother to have any ambition from the very start" is not as big as you think. Disney can afford making great movies again if they still cared about the craft and they need a wake up call, not to be excused because their mid regurgitated movies are not actively harmful.
@vuivraalbastra Have you seen Moana 2 or are you just basing this off of everyone else's opinion? There was nothing awful about Moana 2 it was just a run of the mill sequel. I'm not going to go back and forth defending a 6/10 movie but if you think Moana 2 is on the level of The Lion King (live action) then there's nothing more to say
That part where Pan complained the villains wouldn’t make good boss fights in a future Kingdom Hearts game really drives home how little Disney seems to care about their output these days. For the longest time, it seemed like Disney at least had a bare minimum standard quality for their major theatrical releases-it had to be at least barely enough to guarantee Disney would win an Oscar at the Disney-biased Academy Awards, or make for a great new attraction at Disney Land, or even just make for a cool world in a future Kingdom Hearts game. Now they don’t seem to care at all if their latest sequel or remake fails to make any cultural impact at all or will not be fondly remembered when today’s children grow older, so long as they make a profit before the general public figures out the movie isn’t worth going to the theaters for. I would argue Disney’s slide to irrelevance started before the 2020s with Ralph Breaks the Internet, though.
Ehh. He hasn't really made anything good in my opinion besides Hamilton. He is so highly overrated. That new warrior s musical he is making with an all female cast give me such 2016 Ghostbusters vibes.
The new cast tagging alongside Moana in this remind me a lot of the nobodies they had tagging alongside Buzz in Lightyear. I imagine it was a case of them struggling to figure out how to spice up her journey, but I don't know why they felt shoving in a trio of one-note comic relief sidekicks again was the way to go.
Disney is probably never going to make a great movie again unless on accident. Focused more on squeezing as much out of their brands as possible as cheaply as possible.
I really do feel as if they could've made a really good sequel that held its own ground well but due to outside circumstances (This film pretty much being multiple episodes of a tv show stitched together) Moana 2 ended up kind of doomed from the start
Part of me still believes that Disney fast-tracking Moana 2 as well as a live-action Moana and Lilo & Stitch is due in part to a branding push to pump more value into their Hawaiian resort. Nostalgia works for the adults but what better way to get kids begging their parents for a Disney vacation than to shove characters in their faces?
I hate that Auli’i Cravalho took part in promotional videos for that resort, she should know better than to co-sign another American company taking advantage of her people’s land and culture (unless she’s contractually obligated to do so)
The thing that confuses me so much about the original actors reprising so late into production is that Auli'i Cravahlo was already working as the lead voice on a show at Disney (Hailey's On It), so could she just....not record for the film for some reason?
So, story time. When they put out that kinda sorta final trailer and revealed Matangi last month, I wasn’t fooled by the way she was hyped (read: a proper villain) for a second. My brain just immediately went to “There’s no way this girl is what they’re claiming she is. After the Magnifico Fiasco, Disney can’t possibly expect audiences to be stupid enough to assume she’ll be anything but misunderstood.” And that, my friends, is why I deserve a spot in the stock market, let alone the discourse table. But for the record I understand she’s more complex than *only* being misunderstood, which does add some variety to these lack-of-villains and I appreciate a bit of variety to a trope whenever possible, but since the actual mythical character of the same name was also misunderstood, I think it’s best to let me have this one. Cool?
Love how every single comment about this movie is just "welcome back Disney sequels". Goes to show, those who fail to learn from their crappy money-making techniques are doomed to repeat them.
Dwayne must be stopped, The failure of Black Adam made him freakout and need a quick win thats why he pushed for this to go theatrical to not diminishing returns like a tv series now hes doing a live action Moana, the announcement line up perfectly.
Sooner than doing a “Frozen” Live-Action remake by comparison, which would have made more sense to do first. And let’s not forget him dragging his tongue to get a brief cameo for the most recent film to that franchise that stars a “Candy Ass” and he broke away to do a spin-off for.
This is actually frustrating. Is Disney really struggling to find truly-competent writers these days? What is going on? How is the company that used to set the standard for fun, easy-to-digest animated kid’s movie fare struggling so hard for almost the past decade to write a simple “Hero’s Journey”-like plot? Even Illumination has this formula all figured out with their Minions and Despicable Me movies!
I think the blame isn't on the writers in this case, it's on the executives who pushed what was supposed to be a paced out TV series into a 100 minute film... Which means that a lot of material was probably cut out, despite being completed or nearly completed. Based on the small positive comments on the film it sounds like the writers had a perfect idea of what they wanted to do, that idea just had the unfortunate fate of being squandered by last-second revisions.
@@gabbyhaynes5394 Yeah, I'm sure the writers are suffering enough undue blame for this from the higher-ups at Disney as it is (assuming they're suffering any blame at all, the movie from what I've heard is doing quite well financially simply by virtue of being a sequel to a popular recent-ish Disney movie). I'm sorry, writers. In that case, though, what exactly is happening at Disney in general that is making it impossible for recent movies, original, sequel or otherwise, to at least have a competent, coherent 3-Act story? Wish also had some incredibly promising plot points that were cut entirely by executive meddling and last-minute changes forcing the animators and writers to rush. Is this just Hollywood nepotism at its worst, and Disney for the past decade or so is run by people who don't even understand the general workflow of the animation pipeline or why major changes to the story or even who voices the characters are next to impossible once all the 3D assets are created and the animation of like half of the entire movie/show is already completed? I'm hearing way too much about these rookie managerial mistakes from a company that had set the standard of the typical Hollywood animation pipeline for over 100 years now, lately...
When John Lasetter got MeToo'd there was no one at Disney who could challenge or say no to Bob Iger and his underlings. There are rumors that Lasetter's metooing and outing was a ploy engineered by Iger to get rid of Lasetter because their relationship had totally fallen apart, with Olaf's Frozen Adventure being slapped in front of Coco because Iger didn't think a movie about Mexicans would do well at the box office being the straw that broke the camel's back. The fact that a lot of Disney and Pixar's big talents jumped ship afterwards does lend it some credibility. I really want to know the full story, the rumors and leaks about how badly Lucasfilm alone is being run would make for a great tell-all book.
@trustno173 Like working for Skydance Animation is anyone better. It has a new animated film that most folks hardly know about on Apple+. It's another bomb already on the studio's resume after 'Luck'. Funko wasted its funds on POP figures on both films that are available at Five Below. John Lasseter isn't doing much to help that studio. Shoot, even with Rachel Zegler in the lead of 'Spellbound' isn't enough. I guess folks are still mad at her being Snow White next March, huh? Even Alan Menken writing the music for it isn't helping.
Honestly, Schaffrillas calling one of the songs in this movie "fun adjacent" is the biggest blow you could give something. Like it's close to fun, but actively avoids the mark.
I fucking called that this felt like a series. No overarching theme at all, no character arcs, everything felt rushed, and every remotely dramatic moment was undercut by a wacky joke. Started out trying to give it the benefit of the doubt like "oh ok maybe they're rushing the village and setting up the goal just to get us out on the adventure. A little sloppy, but whatever." Then they get to the giant clam. It starts out amazing. Cool design and premise, feels so much like a monster you'd see on a grand adventure and there's a moment where everyone seems genuinely unnerved by it. They even agree to temporarily side with former enemies just to tackle it and they take up a dramatic action pose and get ready. That must have been the cliffhanger end of one episode because then the tone IMMEDIATELY changes to wacky action. Not wacky characters in serious action, wacky action. Pulling extra spears out of mallet space, everyone stays useless except for Moana and the Coconut, pretty much only showing up for comedy, and the goal is just a Resident Evil glowing weak spot in an unclear location. That's it. And it ends up being hit by the guy who joined the crew literally 30 seconds beforehand. Once the wasted the fucking coolest thing in the movie up to that point I knew there was nothing that was going to save the rest of the movie. And there wasn't. The first Moana was a definite A+. Moana 2 started out looking like it could maybe eke out a B- up until then but it tanked. It's a barely passable D just because at least SOME of the humor was pretty decent and it looked fine.
Based on how you're describing the plot (as I don't care enough to watch the movie) I can almost guarantee that the rushed/glossed over plot points are the result of cutting out multiple episodes of tv, especially that end credits scene. Absolutely intended for a Season 2 tease. Whether it was an attempt to have one movie successful film this year or a response to the result of the Megamind show, this was a rushed idea that is reminiscent of dvd-sequels from the 2000s that were TV show pilots or combined episodes from scrapped shows. This will probably be more successful but I doubt it'll make as much as Disney is hoping for. In regards to the late VA replacements, since the original VAs would've been sound-alikes, the characters were likely animated to feel similar to the performances in the first movie so besides lip-syncing they probably didn't have to overhaul the movements like you're thinking. Unless the tone of voice or emotion was changed during the re-dubbing process, the body language should still match up well enough & just needs a couple of tweaks to blend with the new mouth movement better. Depending on how good the impressions were, some scenes might've even been unedited because the new recordings had the same mannerisms as the old ones. There's also the possibility that bringing back the original VAs was treated as a dubbing project where they're shown the animation & have to match the performances to reduce how much needs to be re-animated.
11:48 i mean some films have used scratch voices. for coco, anthony gonzalez was hired doing scratch for miguel but then became the final voice. thought this film is a whole paperclips and rubberbands situation. get the let it go guy to do scratch for all of frozen 3
Scratch Voices are usually only used during the storyboarding phase though to help give the filmmakers something to time their sequences to and get a runtime estimate for the film as a whole. It's highly unorthodox to rerecord this late into production.
Why does Disney keep introducing "Elderly, physically useless grumpy old person who doesn't even want to be there" as characters in their recent adventure films? Lightyear did this too
0:54; 2:43; 4:20; 8:19; 10:50 I have a feeling that RebelTaxi got so bored watching this movie that he started to wish he was rewatching "Frozen" instead.
What especially sucks to me is that Inside Out 2 also came out this year and was really really good, but I saw a lot of people talking about how they weren't going to see it because it was an animated sequel with Disney's name attached, which made them assume it would be bad. Disney putting out low quality sequels like this isn't just them making a bad movie, a bad movie is whatever, there are millions of those, but their pattern of doing this lowers the reputation of the genre as a whole, and it sucks. Animated sequels can be good, Disney just doesn't try!!
The news of the sequel not being animated in house and originally being planned for a series was a red flag for the film not being worth my time or money.
This video uses that “Cartoon characters sing let it go” video more than Red Letter Media’s Star Wars Holiday Special review uses the trailer to Ishtar
Have they learn nothing from they're straight to DVD sequel, like Beauty and the Beast and Atlantis. That this format of making episode show and splicing them together as a movie, does not work at all.
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This film really makes me feel like the spirit of Michael Eisner and his constant need to make direct to dvd sequels to classic Disney films truly never left the company.
It just was lying Dormant waiting for the chance to return..
I saw that EXACT comment on another Moana 2 video... did u actually write this???
Just curious...
Oh so when Disney does it it's bad when when DreamWorks does it y'all applaud?
Give be a break.
Did a good reason for that I really did the supposed to be a TV show on Disney Plus
@@DarkOverlord96I literally never mentioned Dreamworks, chill dude
The 22 characters singing Let it Go physically hurt. Well done.
Rather watch the entirety of that video than Moana 2 though. 😂
I said buoi, let it gO--!
3:42 honestly I associate that crab with schaffrillas more than Moana at this point
Fitting since he owns the copyright
“SHOOT HIM WITH THE DEHYDRATION GUN!”
we all do
I think of the sausage party godawful adult humor penis hell rant
The eldrich crab shaffrillas.
dont say "coconut people" the name is "hawaiian shy-guys"
get out with your Koopa-ganda
How is your weekend?
Cocotrolls
@@kaiokendo?
@@AndrewDavis-sj6mb nobody remembers the frozen rock trolls??
Close enough welcome back disney vhs sequels
Someone's gotta rip this and put it on a vhs tape
I wish I had the right stuff to make VHS cases and logos, just for the nostalgia. I still have a working VCR just for the pre-special ed Star Wars Trilogy
There's no Frozen 2??
'You know who else likes Disney VHS sequels? MY MOOOOOOM! WOOOOOOOOOOOH!'
@@makeitthrough_ I'd rather welcome back the Disney did quality movies, and TV shows that are still loved by generations than the Disney that just puts out product, and cringe that'll be dated in A few years.
Post credits is absolutely ridiculous but I'm assuming this was originally setup for a 2nd season??
You're probably right.
Maybe the villain alliance would also have worked better for a second season, since there probably were several one off villains that got scrapped for time.
Either a 2nd season or 2nd movie with the tv show being the in-between.
Friendly reminder that The Day the Earth Blew Up: A Looney Tunes Movie, a new fully 2D animated film in what feels like forever, is coming out February 28, 2025. Ya'll gotta see it when it does. I don't expect much in the way of marketing, hence why I'm trying to get word of mouth out there.
I always knew that was coming for a year now, but thank you very much for telling us when it will premiere. November 29, 2024, 8:20pm
if they dont can it for tax reasons
@@meyadin5844 Fortunately, the film rights have been bought by another studio, so we're good.
@@meyadin5844 that won't happen since WB are not the one releasing it
@@danielmendiola thank god
Lin Manuel Miranda returning for the remake and not the sequel, Auli'i Cravalho finishing her recording two months ahead of release and the fact that this wasn't even supposed to happen to begin with shows that Disney really did just shit this one out with minimal marketing and it's sadly gonna make a fuckton of money.
Yep and possibly revive the Direct to Video movieline.
They really needed something to soothe that burn from last year, releasing two box office bombs for the holiday months, so they hastily slapped together a “sequel” to a film gaining lots of traction as of late, and they are gonna take away the worst things about its success….
And it's all thanks to the Disney dickriders who will guzzle any piece of garbage they push out their backside. They have no standards
Relatively speaking, _Moana 2_ received more marketing in my area than _Wish_ did:
I didn't see a _Wish_ trailer precede _Mario_ , _Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 3_ , _Across the Spider-Verse_ , or _Barbie_ , but I did see a _Moana 2_ trailer precede _The Wild Robot_ .
Not if Sonic the Hedgehog 3 can compete with Moana 2! Trust me, that film's marketing definitely has stronger pulling power to pull just enough box office sales away from Moana 2 and Mufasa: The Lion King, desperate uninspired Disney cash-grabs that are not worth the cash they want to grab. November 29, 2024, 6:54am
I asked Pan for the video of the characters singing Let it Go, he told me the video is long gone and he has it saved on his computer. Once again another video lost to time.
DAMMIT I was so excited to try n find it. I'll be quoting "Like, I don't care!" all week
Pan asked me to fetch him 5 bucks at momocon once I was just a fan trying to help out. I was super excited and he said he’d pay me back.
That was 7 YEARS AGO. Anytime I tried to reach out to bring this up to him, he’d block him. Ik it’s only 5 bucks but it’s the principle man
This comment and yours just goes to show that no matter what; you can’t put faith on your heroes
You can’t rely on anyone to get the job done these days
:(
@@theradionicrevival8068 Damn, bro, you should get him to fight robots that look like black ball BOTW Guardians on an island.
Pan please, preserve this for the future generations and upload it in full. We deserve thjs peak fiction.
Apparently the Vancouver animators aren’t unionized which means Disney gets to underpay them like it’s 1941 so 😬
Damn.... Yeah forgot they're payed TV wages and not movie wages which are different.
@@RebelTaxi In 1941, the animators were paid far more than median salary. For the record, their starting pay was better than an enlisted man (Animation was a prestige artform at the time, rather than a "cheap" medium). They went on strike over working hours and working conditions, not over pay, which they'd negotiated in the late twenties and early thirties. What made the 1940-1941 strike as significant as it was is the fact that, for (arguably) the first time, the studio couldn't simply throw money at the problem to make it go away, because the point of diminishing returns had been passed and workers aren't machines that take wages as fuel and output work.
Heck, if you adjust for inflation and actual purchasing power, the Disney animators of 1940-1941 were, on the whole, paid more then than most workers are now. Japanese animators have never had an industry wage standard that good, ever. It'd be more accurate to say "underpay them like they're Studio Ghibli and it's 1997".
Sorry, animation history enthusiast here, had to nerd out a bit.
@@thispersonwriting1889 Your nerding out is greatly appreciated by me. We need to be more informed about past history to know what union power can do again today. November 29, 2024, 6:50am
Because Bob Iger wants to pocket as much money as possible before another disaster comes out.
@@thispersonwriting1889 thank you. Sorry I couldn’t think of a better comparison lol.
Those let it go covers in between points had me literally dying of laughter, never change your editing style Pan, never change.
I'm convinced he only brought up Frozen to justify having those there and I'm glad he did.
Wait, Moana came out in 2016 and the sequel came out now. That means when a new Moana film comes out Trump wins the election.
Holy Sh*t.. 2016!? 2024!? 😳
Sonic Origins releasing ONE DAY before Roe v Wade being overturned. I sure do wish that game was aborted......
The constants for Trump's victory:
1. Out-of-touch woman opponent
2. Internet getting outraged by an animal dying
3. A new Moana film
@FrahdChikun For what Next?! 2028? 2032?!
As it was written.
I love how Tamatoa is either "the crab from Moana" or "Schaffrillas"
Welcome back, direct to video movies released into theaters.
Now if those movies were Sequels/Midquels/Spinoffs of their most popular/iconic Disney TVA series. I'd be on board with Disney doing this.
still missing video game adaptation shovelware tho, hopefully we'll get back there.
@@Max25670The licensed Gollum game wasn't too long ago, I think. And that janky King Kong game
@@Max25670wanna play Moana... ON THE DREAMCAST!? 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🌀🌀
I'm not entirely convinced Pan didn't make that bad cartoon characters singing Let It Go snippets himself and he's trying to pass it off like he found the video on RUclips.
We went through a 80’s nostalgia phase, a 90’s nostalgia phase, welcome to the 2000’s nostalgia phase complete with Disney sequels. Hopefully there won’t be a 9/11 sequel too
That was supposed to be in Turning Red
So what will a 2010s nostalgia erra or a 2020s erra look like considering this is their down time.
@@d.m.c1106think of a dog eating its own poop, shitting it out, then eating it again.
its not nostalgia, its cultural stagnation.
@@j.2512Am I not allowed to be nostalgic?
Pan only made this review so he can show off that 22 cartoon characters sing let it go video
I think you might be right, he almost never talks about Disney movies
THE FUCKING LET IT GO GAG LMFAOOOO
It’s so bad! 🤣
Like, I don't caaaar.
i need the source lol
Ditto @@glittersguts
I guess you can say he really couldn't let it go 8:24
This kind of just seemed like an excuse to show us “Let it Go Sung by 22 Cartoon Characters…”
The useless Moana crew reminded me of the useless Lightyear crew and that’s clearly NOT a compliment
That's basically what was going through my head and forgot to mention
Yes! Thank you! Exactly what I said!
It felt less like a salvaged TV show and more like they used the framework for Lightyear.
So THAT’S who they also reminded me of!
Also remind of that chick and her "friends" from Wish
I still can't believe there was a butt dial joke. This movie really shows the drop of quality to be expected from modern Disney.
I was kinda okay with it since Genie in Aladdin did do modern references. Also there was a "tweeting" joke in the 1st.
@@RebelTaxialot of people got wierd perceptions about the movie
@@RebelTaxiThat joke sadly isn’t even relevant anymore. Now we are Xing
Truth is, they saw what happened to Megamind two/show and tried to avoid the same fate.
Pan is being way too harsh. Everyone knows the best movies are made by hastily sewing together 3 inconsequential TV episode stories into a last minute feature film.
Everyone loved the Star Wars Clone Wars movie.
Don't forget "Atlantis: Milo's Return" and "belle's magical world"
@@TAGanimation Cinderella 2, Tarzan and Jane, Hercules: Zero to Hero (has 4 Episodes)
4 episodes, actually. And to be fair they do have consequences throughout the series, like setting up why Jabba decides to become the overlord of the entire Hutt crime syndicates, introduces Ahsoka, etc...
consume sloppa and get excited for more sloppa
Just like Kronk's New Groove!
I mean, they made Emperor's New School after, so what was going on with that?
"The Rock has still got it!" And by "it", we mean that pansy-ass contract clause where he can't lose a fight in a movie! Call him The Paper, because his ego is so thin.
The inevitable Kingdom Hearts IV world based on Moana will clear this movie solely by virtue of having Yoko Shimomura do a rendition of Shiny
( Insert movie) 2 the Quest for more Money 😂
kneeslapper, bro! take my chungus gold 😂 😂 😂
😂
Y'know, like Shrek 5?
Merchandising, Merchandising!
I'm now finding it funny how whenever a movie has a sequel, they usually just take the title of the first film and slap a number on it
That frozen joke was repeated way too much in this video. I think you should just let it go.
It really sucks that this movie is performing well, it's going to set the standard to a new low
You guys are trying way too hard. This is a solid 6/10, I don't way why you guys are doing this considering all of the trash live action reboots we are getting
@@wrequiem1727 Your counter is that Disney had already set the standard even lower.
@BainesMkII Yes it is... you got me? I would rather take a sequel that lacks ambition than a soulless cash grab that doesn't even bother to any ambition from the very start. It doesn't make any sense to act like Moana 2 is setting a new low
@@wrequiem1727 They're both soulless cash grabs, what are you talking about? Also the difference "lacks ambition" and "doesn't even bother to have any ambition from the very start" is not as big as you think. Disney can afford making great movies again if they still cared about the craft and they need a wake up call, not to be excused because their mid regurgitated movies are not actively harmful.
@vuivraalbastra Have you seen Moana 2 or are you just basing this off of everyone else's opinion? There was nothing awful about Moana 2 it was just a run of the mill sequel. I'm not going to go back and forth defending a 6/10 movie but if you think Moana 2 is on the level of The Lion King (live action) then there's nothing more to say
What can Pan say, except "You're welcome."
Disney should have turned this into a tv series and have the live-action movie get canceled.
Blame both Bob Iger and The Rock
@@horaciomilo4113 Chapek is to blame since he was the one who had the idea of making Moana 2 into a TV series
22 Loki IRL characters singing Let It Go
Found out a few VAs also sing thankfully
"You're not even trying anymore, are you?"
Perfect summation of Disney's output since 2020
Hey encanto was good...
Yeah thats it lol
That part where Pan complained the villains wouldn’t make good boss fights in a future Kingdom Hearts game really drives home how little Disney seems to care about their output these days. For the longest time, it seemed like Disney at least had a bare minimum standard quality for their major theatrical releases-it had to be at least barely enough to guarantee Disney would win an Oscar at the Disney-biased Academy Awards, or make for a great new attraction at Disney Land, or even just make for a cool world in a future Kingdom Hearts game. Now they don’t seem to care at all if their latest sequel or remake fails to make any cultural impact at all or will not be fondly remembered when today’s children grow older, so long as they make a profit before the general public figures out the movie isn’t worth going to the theaters for.
I would argue Disney’s slide to irrelevance started before the 2020s with Ralph Breaks the Internet, though.
13:22 Say what you want about Dwayne Johnson but the fact that he did that Promotional video with his kids is very wholesome, Cute and Endering.
Man Dwayne's marketing team are really good at their job
Not having Lin Manuel Miranda was the first warning of its quality.
Ehh. He hasn't really made anything good in my opinion besides Hamilton. He is so highly overrated. That new warrior s musical he is making with an all female cast give me such 2016 Ghostbusters vibes.
The new cast tagging alongside Moana in this remind me a lot of the nobodies they had tagging alongside Buzz in Lightyear. I imagine it was a case of them struggling to figure out how to spice up her journey, but I don't know why they felt shoving in a trio of one-note comic relief sidekicks again was the way to go.
The echoes of the Rugrats Movie are still felt to this day. A wound in the force
Genuinely associate this film with Schaffrillas more than anything else at this point
Disney is probably never going to make a great movie again unless on accident. Focused more on squeezing as much out of their brands as possible as cheaply as possible.
Nah because for that they'd need to actually pay competent writers instead of using AI
Honestly Encanto feels like such a fluke ngl
Moana is another “Lightning in a bottle” case. The sequel can’t capture the same magic twice.
I really do feel as if they could've made a really good sequel that held its own ground well but due to outside circumstances (This film pretty much being multiple episodes of a tv show stitched together) Moana 2 ended up kind of doomed from the start
Part of me still believes that Disney fast-tracking Moana 2 as well as a live-action Moana and Lilo & Stitch is due in part to a branding push to pump more value into their Hawaiian resort. Nostalgia works for the adults but what better way to get kids begging their parents for a Disney vacation than to shove characters in their faces?
I hate that Auli’i Cravalho took part in promotional videos for that resort, she should know better than to co-sign another American company taking advantage of her people’s land and culture (unless she’s contractually obligated to do so)
I honestly hope they fail, Hawaii has enough issues with their rising prices and inflation
Ngl I consistently kept forgetting that this movie was even in production let alone released
At this point it's a good thing that we (start) forget(ting) Disney's latest cash grabs as much as possible.
@@MustraOrdoAgreed. Unless it's that Doug Sequel Jim Jinkins is looking to pitch or if they do a Sequel series to Pepper Ann.
Seriously. It feels like now a days these movies are just popping into existence without any warning. Was the marketing that terrible?
Same😭
I also forgot until "WHAT ARE NEXT???" reminded me of it and the other Disney sequels' existence.
The thing that confuses me so much about the original actors reprising so late into production is that Auli'i Cravahlo was already working as the lead voice on a show at Disney (Hailey's On It), so could she just....not record for the film for some reason?
So, story time.
When they put out that kinda sorta final trailer and revealed Matangi last month, I wasn’t fooled by the way she was hyped (read: a proper villain) for a second. My brain just immediately went to “There’s no way this girl is what they’re claiming she is. After the Magnifico Fiasco, Disney can’t possibly expect audiences to be stupid enough to assume she’ll be anything but misunderstood.”
And that, my friends, is why I deserve a spot in the stock market, let alone the discourse table.
But for the record I understand she’s more complex than *only* being misunderstood, which does add some variety to these lack-of-villains and I appreciate a bit of variety to a trope whenever possible, but since the actual mythical character of the same name was also misunderstood, I think it’s best to let me have this one. Cool?
Do “I hate Mars bars”
durr plant
I hate dust!
Holy shit we are still making ancient IHE references... Yall are assoholic bitches
I dont know why i was remembering that bloke at work yesterday either
wrassling
That's right! We're going back in to make Iron Man bomb at the box office to get the MCU influence off the menu!
My kinda movie plot
I think that the reason that Mike Myers did the redubbing for free was because of the passing of Chris Farley, who was going to be Shrek originally.
Bro really hit us with the Bionicle reference 1:37 lol
A true man of culture
I had the biggest smile on my face when I heard that
the only thing that'll determine how good the movie is if schaffrillas can get new screenshots as stills
Rebeltaxi fans are eating this month
Love how every single comment about this movie is just "welcome back Disney sequels".
Goes to show, those who fail to learn from their crappy money-making techniques are doomed to repeat them.
Dwayne must be stopped, The failure of Black Adam made him freakout and need a quick win thats why he pushed for this to go theatrical to not diminishing returns like a tv series now hes doing a live action Moana, the announcement line up perfectly.
Sooner than doing a “Frozen” Live-Action remake by comparison, which would have made more sense to do first. And let’s not forget him dragging his tongue to get a brief cameo for the most recent film to that franchise that stars a “Candy Ass” and he broke away to do a spin-off for.
The Rock will get the last laugh.
I wonder where Red One fits in to The Rock’s post Black Adam crisis.
a pedra, deos meo
@@BloodRedFox2008perfectly, because of how awful it is
Thank you for including SO MANY clips of the let it go cartoon character covers lmao
This is actually frustrating. Is Disney really struggling to find truly-competent writers these days? What is going on? How is the company that used to set the standard for fun, easy-to-digest animated kid’s movie fare struggling so hard for almost the past decade to write a simple “Hero’s Journey”-like plot? Even Illumination has this formula all figured out with their Minions and Despicable Me movies!
I think the blame isn't on the writers in this case, it's on the executives who pushed what was supposed to be a paced out TV series into a 100 minute film... Which means that a lot of material was probably cut out, despite being completed or nearly completed. Based on the small positive comments on the film it sounds like the writers had a perfect idea of what they wanted to do, that idea just had the unfortunate fate of being squandered by last-second revisions.
@@gabbyhaynes5394 Yeah, I'm sure the writers are suffering enough undue blame for this from the higher-ups at Disney as it is (assuming they're suffering any blame at all, the movie from what I've heard is doing quite well financially simply by virtue of being a sequel to a popular recent-ish Disney movie). I'm sorry, writers.
In that case, though, what exactly is happening at Disney in general that is making it impossible for recent movies, original, sequel or otherwise, to at least have a competent, coherent 3-Act story? Wish also had some incredibly promising plot points that were cut entirely by executive meddling and last-minute changes forcing the animators and writers to rush.
Is this just Hollywood nepotism at its worst, and Disney for the past decade or so is run by people who don't even understand the general workflow of the animation pipeline or why major changes to the story or even who voices the characters are next to impossible once all the 3D assets are created and the animation of like half of the entire movie/show is already completed? I'm hearing way too much about these rookie managerial mistakes from a company that had set the standard of the typical Hollywood animation pipeline for over 100 years now, lately...
Moana 2: Moana's Kong Quest
Oh hey a Donkey Kong Country reference!
Terrible comparison, Dkc2 is actually good
Moana 2: The Search for More Money
Moana 3: Maui's Double Trouble!
@FrahdChikun lol another Donkey Kong Country reference!
Damn Moana 2 got the Atlantis 2 treatment it's like those water Disney movies are cursed
Moana 2, Moana May Need Glasses.
The Brak and Zorack impressions were SPOT ON THO!
Watch as the 'Princess & the Frog' TV series get remade as a theatrical sequel.
Is pan really the first person ive heard make a bionicle joke involving the islands name in moana? Crazy
Dam i got here way too early, pizza is not even out of the oven yet.
I thought you were Parallel Pipes because of your profile picture
What the hell is wrong with you Disney
Greed.
When John Lasetter got MeToo'd there was no one at Disney who could challenge or say no to Bob Iger and his underlings. There are rumors that Lasetter's metooing and outing was a ploy engineered by Iger to get rid of Lasetter because their relationship had totally fallen apart, with Olaf's Frozen Adventure being slapped in front of Coco because Iger didn't think a movie about Mexicans would do well at the box office being the straw that broke the camel's back. The fact that a lot of Disney and Pixar's big talents jumped ship afterwards does lend it some credibility. I really want to know the full story, the rumors and leaks about how badly Lucasfilm alone is being run would make for a great tell-all book.
@trustno173 Like working for Skydance Animation is anyone better. It has a new animated film that most folks hardly know about on Apple+. It's another bomb already on the studio's resume after 'Luck'. Funko wasted its funds on POP figures on both films that are available at Five Below. John Lasseter isn't doing much to help that studio. Shoot, even with Rachel Zegler in the lead of 'Spellbound' isn't enough. I guess folks are still mad at her being Snow White next March, huh? Even Alan Menken writing the music for it isn't helping.
checks executives early life sections*
Money!
close enough, welcome back belle's magical world n atlantis: milo returns
Disney Direct to Video movies are back, that wasn't on my 2024 Bingo Card.
Right when I thought the Live Action Remakes took their place...
Pan referenced BIONICLE. My Life is complete.
The “keep them separated” enunciation made it all worth it
The Bionicle reference is appreciated, because I can never hear "Motunui" without thinking for a split-second they're saying "Mata Nui".
Honestly, Schaffrillas calling one of the songs in this movie "fun adjacent" is the biggest blow you could give something. Like it's close to fun, but actively avoids the mark.
the Rhino from James & the Giant Peach is a more threatening cloud based foe and 2's enemy
It’s also from a much better movie!
I like how no one refers to tema toa by his actual name, hell I think I didn't even remotely spell it right
I fucking called that this felt like a series. No overarching theme at all, no character arcs, everything felt rushed, and every remotely dramatic moment was undercut by a wacky joke. Started out trying to give it the benefit of the doubt like "oh ok maybe they're rushing the village and setting up the goal just to get us out on the adventure. A little sloppy, but whatever." Then they get to the giant clam. It starts out amazing. Cool design and premise, feels so much like a monster you'd see on a grand adventure and there's a moment where everyone seems genuinely unnerved by it. They even agree to temporarily side with former enemies just to tackle it and they take up a dramatic action pose and get ready. That must have been the cliffhanger end of one episode because then the tone IMMEDIATELY changes to wacky action. Not wacky characters in serious action, wacky action. Pulling extra spears out of mallet space, everyone stays useless except for Moana and the Coconut, pretty much only showing up for comedy, and the goal is just a Resident Evil glowing weak spot in an unclear location. That's it. And it ends up being hit by the guy who joined the crew literally 30 seconds beforehand. Once the wasted the fucking coolest thing in the movie up to that point I knew there was nothing that was going to save the rest of the movie. And there wasn't. The first Moana was a definite A+. Moana 2 started out looking like it could maybe eke out a B- up until then but it tanked. It's a barely passable D just because at least SOME of the humor was pretty decent and it looked fine.
First the 70's/80's dark ages, then the 2000s, and now this. We're entering another one of Disney's slumps.
Don’t forget the mid-late 40s!
Weve been in a slump. I feel like late 2017/start of 2018 was the start of the decline
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I do think this slump feels like a combination of all three prior slumps (Mid-late 40s, late 70s-late 80s, 2000s), but mostly like the Mid late 40s.
@@alchemistofsteel8099 true, true
Based on how you're describing the plot (as I don't care enough to watch the movie) I can almost guarantee that the rushed/glossed over plot points are the result of cutting out multiple episodes of tv, especially that end credits scene. Absolutely intended for a Season 2 tease. Whether it was an attempt to have one movie successful film this year or a response to the result of the Megamind show, this was a rushed idea that is reminiscent of dvd-sequels from the 2000s that were TV show pilots or combined episodes from scrapped shows. This will probably be more successful but I doubt it'll make as much as Disney is hoping for.
In regards to the late VA replacements, since the original VAs would've been sound-alikes, the characters were likely animated to feel similar to the performances in the first movie so besides lip-syncing they probably didn't have to overhaul the movements like you're thinking. Unless the tone of voice or emotion was changed during the re-dubbing process, the body language should still match up well enough & just needs a couple of tweaks to blend with the new mouth movement better. Depending on how good the impressions were, some scenes might've even been unedited because the new recordings had the same mannerisms as the old ones.
There's also the possibility that bringing back the original VAs was treated as a dubbing project where they're shown the animation & have to match the performances to reduce how much needs to be re-animated.
Damn, Maui is indeed my favorite character
These side characters remind me so much of the ones from Buzz Lightyear. Seriously, Disney? Didn’t you learn anything from Pixar’s biggest flop?
When the world needed it most, direct to VHS/DVD Disney sequels returned.
I did not know it was a retooled TV series. Thanks for saving me the price of a ticket.
11:48 i mean some films have used scratch voices. for coco, anthony gonzalez was hired doing scratch for miguel but then became the final voice. thought this film is a whole paperclips and rubberbands situation.
get the let it go guy to do scratch for all of frozen 3
Scratch Voices are usually only used during the storyboarding phase though to help give the filmmakers something to time their sequences to and get a runtime estimate for the film as a whole. It's highly unorthodox to rerecord this late into production.
If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time Schafrillas has officially been name dropped in a RebelTaxi vid.
I know this technically doesn’t count, but wasn’t he on the Pizza Party podcast?
Why does Disney keep introducing "Elderly, physically useless grumpy old person who doesn't even want to be there" as characters in their recent adventure films? Lightyear did this too
i need a link to that "22 cartoon characters sing let it go" video immediately
The fact that it was made in Canada instead of the main Disney studio was already a bad sign.
0:54; 2:43; 4:20; 8:19; 10:50 I have a feeling that RebelTaxi got so bored watching this movie that he started to wish he was rewatching "Frozen" instead.
It was wild watching all the families confused on the theater stairs when the mid-credits Thanos scene popped up.
I didn’t know Moana was a jrpg protagonist
I'm shocked how good this was. Top 15 best disney animated film of all time
that let it go video is haunting me
Last minute splicing the first three episodes of a TV series into a "movie" thats less than the sum of its parts? Welcome back Disney direct to DVD
We really got Moana 2 before GTA VI (I hate this meme)
It's nice that we live in a time where Disney make low-effort sequels for many cultures and disrespect them equally.
What especially sucks to me is that Inside Out 2 also came out this year and was really really good, but I saw a lot of people talking about how they weren't going to see it because it was an animated sequel with Disney's name attached, which made them assume it would be bad. Disney putting out low quality sequels like this isn't just them making a bad movie, a bad movie is whatever, there are millions of those, but their pattern of doing this lowers the reputation of the genre as a whole, and it sucks. Animated sequels can be good, Disney just doesn't try!!
Disney just got too much luck this year.
If "this meeting could have been an email" was a movie.
The news of the sequel not being animated in house and originally being planned for a series was a red flag for the film not being worth my time or money.
why does it feel like you made an entire channel dedicated to Frozen covers by various animated characters just for that bit.
This movie was garbage until the scene where Maui tries In-N-Out burger for the first time. Then it became an 11/10 movie.
This video uses that “Cartoon characters sing let it go” video more than Red Letter Media’s Star Wars Holiday Special review uses the trailer to Ishtar
Nobody cared about this movie so hard I didn't even see trailers lmfao
Have they learn nothing from they're straight to DVD sequel, like Beauty and the Beast and Atlantis.
That this format of making episode show and splicing them together as a movie, does not work at all.
Ah, so this movie is just a modern-day Atlantis 2: Milo's Return.
“Why won’t that girl message me first”
A series of episodes rehashed to a direct to video "movie", this really is a return to that horrible era
I knew it was gonna be bad when they showed three random people, like Lightyear; absolutely no personality and just there.