It is quite concerning when the first officer tells you that the use of section 43 in this case would be patently illegal and a few minutes later a second officer in the presence of the first invokes section 43 and violates your rights. Even worse in my view is that the first officer did not stop the second officer from performing what was a known illegal act. The fact the first officer did not even attempt to dissuade the second from doing so is baffling. It makes one wonder just how unaccountable are the police in the United Kingdom and why they continue to remain unaccountable to the citizens for these violations of citizens lawful rights. Others rightly pointed out that mi5 and other security forces protecting the sensitive buildings in that area undoubtedly used facial recognition on you. Obviously, they did not get any hits or you would have been arrested on the spot. With that being the case, the use of section 43 would have been doubly illegal on its face. The first officer said section 43 use was illegal in your case and facial recognition checks undoubtedly backed his opinion up. Either filming in public is legal or it isn’t. Either you are legally required to identify or you are not. There is no he’s causing trouble, he’s trying to provoke officers, what does he expect filming sensitive sites… He is a citizen and in fact a well known citizen with more than 100k followers acting well within his rights under law and when citizens are doing so they have every expectation of being left alone to do so. Old Bill can ask a question and they can observe only to the extent that they find themselves unable to articulate a crime was committed. Final point, Old Bill was tracking you on camera the entire time. London is the second most monitored place in the world behind China, who has the largest facial recognition system in the entire world. Security forces knew well before they approached you that no crime had been committed. This is not some rural area we are talking about. So either the monitoring systems are inadequate and the citizens of the United Kingdom have been sold a bill of goods or they work well so citizens shouldn’t even be approached by Old Bill since they’ve already been electronically vetted. What they cannot do is violate citizens rights, put their hands on people, arrest or detain citizens when no violation of law can be articulated. Either the United Kingdom is a place of lawfulness or it isn’t.
Well they're highly trained anti terrorism police. The way they got the information they wanted of him (his phone) was one of them played the bad cop and one of them played the good cop. And done it very well. Played into his brain, the bad cop was mean and told him the risks if he didn't show them his phone and the good cop was very polite and acted like his friend. You see the same thing in interrogation rooms.
" Others rightly pointed out that mi5 and other security forces protecting the sensitive buildings in that area undoubtedly used facial recognition on you. Obviously, they did not get any hits or you would have been arrested on the spot". Yeah, keep believing that narrative... If they arrested everyone they had 'useful' data on, then those people wouldn't then go back to their communities, and interact with 'friends' and supporters.... If they arrest you, based on what they have now, then they lose what they will get in the future. And by visiting London (thank you for that), you will undoubtedly have been scanned and had your IP/Phone records analysed by the best in the business.... So now you can go back home, but be reassured; you will never be far from a sympathetic ear...
Its either lawful or unlawful and as we can all agree it was an unlawful act. . . . BUT im sure this is for court to make it a more black and white law case. Without clarity they can just do it again and again. For our benefit I think you should consider taking it to court. That would make an awesome video and you could quote the case number WHEN YOU WIN. Great videos as usual AB Many Thanks
The first guy or the Hobbit was a sly passive aggressive patronising shit. Pretending to be all friendly and actually saying one thing and doing another. The curly silver haired copper the one that looked like a pickled fart was just hoping to abuse his power. They are unbelievable.
Exactly it’s just antagonising police which we all did when we were teens but Whalen you grow up and have children and there is a real terrorist on the loose who the fuck would you be calling cos I can guarantee you wouldn’t just stand there and start recording. You could say it’s only a camera but I can guarantee you wouldn’t be able to do it in Russia or America or tougher countries than England
I find this whole thing fascinating. The terrorism act used against someone publicly and openly filming seems stupid even by the logic of those using it. We live in an age where you can buy so many high quality hidden recording devices that just being in the area would then be suspicion of recording. Also, surely recording cameras cannot be any different to recording anything else in public view. Surely ultra high sensitivity buildings also have hidden cameras also? My view on it is that anything which should not be seen or recorded should be hidden away from public view. AB does a great job
Exactly!! If the cameras located here are so at risk,, then the setup is clearly wrong!! They have choisen to be in London but maybe they should be in an empty field somewhere.
Not looking good he does not know what Power using for Detainment. Why so much willing wanted to search, least they appreciate abusing their powers. Ah no more friendly talking, but what goes if filmed Entrance ??
Auditing Britain Can you tell me why you don't have a bodycam? And an app that keeps your camera running even when closed on phone? It would make your videos a thousand times better.
@Tai Chi Tube Doubt they would be looking for those things when you're already using a camera in plain sight anyway, they certainly weren't looking for a suicide vest either.
I met him on a school trip to Mount Everest at the base camp, he said the beard would serve him well,....maybe with lady wolves and suchlike, unfortunately he was loosing oxygen on his accent,....until he ran out,...every officer there especially firearm's SO 13 should know even modern gas masks need a Good seal,...and with the risk of terrorism gas or a dirty bomb is very real, A.B YOU WHERE BORDERING AT WASTING POLICE TIME HERE AND YOU ARE GENERATING THE EVIDENCE
@@since1876 i'm sure you have seen a.b is making this a hell of a lot longer than is needed, they needed to check a go yes, CHECK and go, luckily they where not needed to shoot someone who was running up behind you your misses kid and family with a samurai sword and some other weapons to end our way of life for a few ehh,....1878 to today barbaric times even on the footie pitch !!
“Terrorism, of course, was the stated reason why most of my country's surveillance programs were implemented, at a time of great fear and opportunism. But it turned out that fear was the true terrorism, perpetrated by a political system that was increasingly willing to use practically any justification to authorize the use of force.” ― Edward Snowden
@@snelgrave101 that is what section 10 of the human rights act is about, the little cop with the beard it totally wrong, the responsibility is TO OFFEND AND SHOCK, rights have NEVER been given, they have ALL been FOUGHT FOR, people have died so i can film MI5 if i want, i do not have to "act responsibly" the way the cop is using the term. i have to protest and shout, and here's a clear case of human rights abuse, the cops being irresponsible.
Liberty, exposed. Either we have rights, or we don't. It's pretty clear what the situation is. The disgusting thing is that I hear, time and time again, that 'considering the current climate we are in'. I've heard that line for the last 30 years. Operation Fear is real.
@@jimfraser734 That would be a great argument if OP was a full-time employee of law enforcement. You need to know the laws if you're going to enforce them.
@@SgtLion I think you seem to think that it is an easy job to recall every statue of law in the history of English common law at will for every specific situation when potential offences can cross many to varying degrees. I hope you have an eidetic memory!
@@willroberts7403 When the normal guy 👦 looses freedom that's when your society starts to collapse. Many people in other countries don't have these freedoms so the normal guy has to uphold these freedoms to keep goverments and authorities in check and balance. In this video 📹 like AB says officers were very professional and at the end matter was resolved without any force being used.
@@aweiskhan1290 Of course there was force used. If AB hadn't complied with their unlawful search, he would have suffered loss of liberty and/or violence. That is force. AB was forced to submit. Today MI5 is the location for unlawful searches, tomorrow could be your street. You look suspicious to me... ID please!
You are free to do as we tell you. Police state, right here,right now. And watch those powers escalate regarding COVID testing and forced vaccinations....
@Cliff Butler Nothing short of ten million people on the streets demanding freedom will change the tyranny surging across the country. You’ll be beaten, tased, pepper sprayed, arrested and charged with resisting arrest before you can blink.
Police state my arse. This guy with the camera is there to get a reaction and a reaction he got. To spread all over RUclips.. lol We live in a society where I admit, that there are good and bad cops... as there are good and bad people in normal society. But without some kind of policing, what kind of world would we live in. It would be a lawless free for all. So cmon get a grip and stop being an idiot and trying to make something bigger than it is. These police officers were polite and professional. These are highly trained and using weapons are a very last result. But they were trying to be understanding and are always criticised in what ever they do.
As to the guy with the beard all I can say is if a mugger steals my bag whether he does it with a smile or a punch I still have no bag. They overstepped the bounds of legality abusing terrorism powers when it is certain they knew the auditor had no terrorist intent. Ends don’t justify means. Politicians declare terrorists won’t win, they won’t change our way of life. But they have, when those who defend us think citizens should be “responsible” and give up their rights
yes exactly, being politely beaten is still being beaten up, and the thing about the people on the other side of the street filming, being beaten up with witnesses is still being beaten up, cops have a disgusting mentality. i'm surprised cos i have seen lots of armed MOD police and they have up until this been the best, best informed, most relaxed and even stand chatting about drones for ages. these guys are typical bullies.
They had nothing on him at all, they thought he is really good at being a terrorist so that's why they were forced to break the law in order to search the phone, they literally had NOTHING on him but he acted suspicious in their heads, he played really good on this role, anyone would've gaven up their rights and showed these officers the footage.
@@Mark... Even being on a call that was a highly dangerous position to park. There were enough police officers for the job, so no need to be there. It must be so boring the slightest sniff brings them all out. The copper ended up having to help people cross the road, when all he had to do was move the car 25 metres down the road. Typical morons.
@@mikeamor619 couldn’t agree more 👍, I’ve also seen it when there is plenty of space to park quickly, safely and not in the way yet they some how feel the need to park where it causes trouble for other road users.
"All Traffic Regulation Orders allow liveried police, fire and ambulance vehicles to park where other vehicles are prohibited. In the case of the fire brigade and ambulance service, the vehicle must be attending an emergency, however marked police vehicles can park in otherwise prohibited places under any circumstances." www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/illegal_parking_of_police_vehicl_2#incoming-334101
thanks for part 2 and putting yourself out there . and showing us how some people act when they simply see a member of public with a camera . stay safe
Did they lay hands on you and search your person? This is an important point if they did or did not. In this case I would say it is better for them if they did search you, if abusing their powers anyway why not go all the way. If they didn't search you, that shows that they never actually suspected you were a terrorist to begin with. Which is what they have to have at a minimum to use 43 and search you or your stuff in the first place. Be honest. What cop anywhere would NOT search someone they really believed to be a terrorist? None. Every last one would do so in a heart beat. These guys did not think you were a terrorist. He threatened you with the use of powers to get compliance and abused those powers when you refused. I do hope you persue this further, including litigation when the police inevitably blow off your complaint.
The best thing is AB always goes prepared: no ID nothing which would lead them to his name , no vehicle etc. He assumes that every time auditing they could search him.
I've watched a couple of your videos now and noticed that for some reason there seems to be no officer in charge of the incident in many cases. This is a prime example: First the guy with the short beard is the one talking to you, then comes in the guy with the long beard and in the end the gray-haired officer who hasn't been involved much before (just briefly said a few words) decides to detain you and force you to show the footage, after long-bearded guy had told you he wouldn't do that and both beards had said you were not detained. Is this common procedure in the UK? One cop lets you go and five metres away another one detains you for the exact same suspicion?
Section 43 needs to be looked at, police seem to be using/abusing it far to often for photographers just to get their own way. The bearded cop blatantly lied to you, saying it would be illegal to use section 43 then all of a sudden it was ok because his colleague said so. And they wonder why the public have lost faith in them 🙄
You have lost the point of this video its to goad the police. Most people who was doing something out of the ordinary and had nothing to hide would give the police there name so the whole point is too push the police as far as you can to get a reaction. Like an activist
@@peteramberley9952 I haven’t lost the point of the video, I completely understand it’s point which is to exercise our rights. If we break down the facts which are simply a man taking photographs of public buildings has section 43 used against him to see what footage/photos he has. Its that simple and it’s not what section 43 was supposed to be used for.
@@postcardsfromprotest They can use the powers anywhere if they have 'reasonable suspicion'. (It might be disputed that they did have RS in many cases). What are these 'exemptions' that you talk about? There are no 'exemptions' surrounding the use of section 43 powers, as far as I know.
Well AB, you're now in the system. MI5 (Home Office "Military Intelligence" Security Service) obviously called out the Met armed response team after viewing you on multiple cameras. An enhanced camera image would then be checked with the DVLA database in Swansea and linked to your driving licence image, so they probably already had a good idea who you were. They could then pull your car insurance details and log your car reg number and would be able to track your car via the TFL camera system all the way out of London. Actually, there are currently over 1,000 TFL traffic cameras in and around London and Camera Ref 4327 (Cam No.234 Millbank) would have picked up your interaction with the response team, while Camera Ref 6501 (Cam No.497 Parliament Sq) would have picked up your interaction with the rude WPC who told you to "Keep Walking". You're never alone in London.:-)
ohhh David would have crushed them in 2min or less and then all the lads would be laughing about it. Police simply don't have enough power to stop David Mitchell under any section or act
Serious question, AB, now that the UK terrorism threat has been raised to 4/5 severe - an attack is highly likely, would that modify your decisions to take pics, say, outside MI5 building or would you accept the inevitable attention and likely questions, searches etc?
I’ve watched numerous of these vids, you’ve got some that act unprofessional and go over the top. But if you stand outside government buildings and film them, and then have police come question you and cry about it then you must not have that many brain cells.
@@leathleyg5995 Can you point me to where the list of protected buildings is, in the TACT (2000 or 2006). I don't think there is, but am happy to be pointed in the right direction. Sec 58 legislation, as far as I am aware, offers no extra protection for cetain buildings.
I have previously stepped in and told you the police treated you badly. In this instance I think the police demonstrated complete professionalism and diligence and should be congratulated for doing the job decent people expect them to do. You on the other hand are completely unrealistic regarding the risks to public safety and need to take your head out of your backside.
@@G0MTQ If the law states that filming alone cannot be used as reasonable suspicion, then the police use it as reasonable suspicion, they are breaking the law. Do you think that's okay? Where do you draw the line?
@@SmokeyMcPot42087 filming alone as you say is not suspicious, but surely you are not so naive to think hanging around security services buildings and filming them is not is not going to raise the interest of public protection officers? Is your memory so blank that you can’t recall the police officer and members of public who lost there lives not so long ago not so far from your filming. You were appropriately questioned and were treated with due respect. Alongside rights goes responsibility.
@Carl Username Not really. Guy was trying to just say he was acting suspiciously (he was) and he wanted to defuse it as quickly as possibly. He didn't threaten to arrest him or tell him it was illegal. He explained it well. AB has exposed some right numpty coppers on this channel which I'm all for but in this video I didn't really think the police did much wrong,
Men with guns have the luxury of hiding behind a smile and appearing 'nice'. Doesn't change the fact that AB's rights were abused... again. The police evidently don't like the public challenging them in any way. Most people ARE 'scared' of the uniform, which gives the police the ability to control 99% of situations. The bigger the uniform, the bigger the ego. They know the difference between a terrorist and a blogger, but they couldn't let it go. This was a pissing competition and they refuse to lose. They couldn't look through hours of footage in minutes, so it was hardly a 'thorough' search. And the smirks from two of the officers once they had seen the footage basically said: "We win." Love your videos AB. Keep em coming. :-)
good cop bad cop... grooming to get an i.d. they don't have a right to get. And they are supposed to protect our rights. You are taking the piss. Get off your knees.
I'm confused as to why all these protected buildings are amazing structures. Why wouldn't you want to take pictures of them? The architecture is amazing.
It's not the buildings per se, it's the info associated with that building the authorities do not want to be made public. This is how Britain operates as a nation. Secretive. Behind closed. Only allowed to see whatever the authorities deem fit. Very sinister. Diabolical. Privacy is very important to the Brits so that they can continue with their plots and schemes.
Can’t even film and enjoy the buildings we pay for with our hard earned taxes... 🤦♂️ If secrecy was so important why put the building in the middle of London.. move it off site to an isolated area..
IDD, what are the expecting to find, you laughing i'm gonna bomb them, I'm gonna destroy them, there is nothing you can find than just a guy filming something. filming is not a crime.
@David Rogers Ah I see. An excuse that you will use to fail to post video on what you claim is/has happened to you. Awww such a shame, and there was me offering you the chance to prove your non-existant claim. Oh, and just as aside, who is it that you claim to have worked for?? If you are going to make up a fantasy world to exist in, at least make it one that we might believe in if you have a rational explanation of why we would believe it, instead of 'It is too subtle to pick up on video'.
@David Rogers Roflmfao. Ok so now you turn to an attack on me for questioning your rather fantastical claims? YOU are the one claiming to be 'followed' and 'mobbed' by your local council, and that alone makes me wonder why would they do that? IF you are being 'followed and 'mobbed' by your local council, where is the proof? OR why are they 'following' and 'mobbing' you? I would assume you have a camera at least on your phone, with which you could record these 'mobbings'. Take your little fantasy world back into the dark, rewrite it so that at least it 'appears' believable. And you still haven't said who it is you claim to have worked for. As for being some kind of authority on my part. No I am not, but what I AM, is someone willing to pick apart someones rather hysterical and nonsensical claims. And I am quite willing to do that for as long as it takes.
Hi AB generally I think that you do an excellent job by doing these films, by opening the eyes to all communities. I think and as you subscriber, I want to see a movie when you can educate the community on what laws they have and what police crew cannot do. please respond if you agree.
@@cypeman8037 ...from a jail cell maybe, yeah. It's not a matter of knowing the law, it's a matter of law enforcement personnel applying the law correctly/justly. Not sure your average auditor can afford too many (unlawful) arrests
@@MrGeorgeScatos That don't make sense if something is proven unlawful then its accountable by recourse, so pursued by a solicitor working on your behalf you have a case and conclusion would be compensation.
@@MrGeorgeScatos From the way you spell jail, it's Gaol in the UK, I presume, possibly wrongly our not English. There is no financial penalty for being arrested and bailed in the UK. So it doesn't cost obviously until you get fined at court. You can easily defend your actions and the unjust actions of the police on the street in these circumstances by knowing 5 pieces of the law and the PACE codes of practi, it's not difficult.
Sir AB, love how you asked if you were still being detained then walked off, denying plods the last word. That really gave those perfidious tyrants a proper verbal face slapping. Love your work Sir, stay safe and take care on your next mission.🙏🏻🇬🇧❤️
@@AuditingBritain Good evening Sir AB. I'm well, happy and content, it's great to hear from you. There's no problems my end whenever you've missed the occasional comment, as they come obligation free. And this is understandable, knowing that you have thousands of comments (some worthy some unworthy of your attention) to scroll through, with a limited amount of time to do so. You will always receive encouragement and have my full support. Take care and stay safe mukka, my thoughts are never to far away from you.
I’m curious, what difference would it have made if you had filmed the cameras, as far as I’m aware filming cameras is still not illegal. I myself, would have Ben extremely tempted to tell them this and inform them that if they continued on this course I would return and film the cameras and then done that.
In principal I agree, though that may have brought on further action judging how blondie behaved. He was clearly on a power trip - it’s obvious from his body language he’s a narcissist.
Because if this was hostile surveillance eg. terrorists, serious and organised crime or surveillance gathering by unfriendly or potentially hostile states the location of security/CCTV cameras can be significantly important as well as the building layout etc. This could, if used for such reasons threaten the Security Service (MI5) which plays such a vital role in the National Security of the United Kingdom. I am very much a supporter of our freedoms which is why I understand the high level of security around both these buildings (MI5 & MI6) who keep this free country safe. Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
Very important quote that should written on the back of every warrant card. "Those who would give up liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" 1984 was a warning not a manual!!!
Is there a way you can lock out your phone before handing to them? or maybe record your videos to a protected file where a password is required to open and view? Seems Sec 43 covers a wide berth when abusing personal rights.
The danger is that if they don't get to see the images, they may just end up seizing it anyway to search at their own convenience. So it's a decision the auditor has to make. Show the images, or risk having the camera/phone seized.
it's all just an excuse, Dawah. They are really saying, " We don't want anyone filming our buildings, in case they see something or someone that will compromise our authority "
@J Yes, you are correct. There are other ways, for example; wearing "spy" glasses, a smart watch, or as AB remarked, incognito as the "Conway workers" might have been, or simply as a passenger on the bus that went by....
@@st05002125 dna testing the entire population would solve a large majority of all crime past and present. Just because a handful of terrorists have obtained reconnaissance with cameras is no justification for searching all photographers who take pictures in public
So they should never follow up on terror threats and protect the country ? In fear of ‘violating’ rights? AB deliberately acted suspicious so of course this would happened. Not worrying if the police didn’t do their job
This guy is an idiot. He doesn't understand semantics and like to twist words so his dumb followerd think he's some god. That much is evident considering he keeps repeating himself once he's been told hes been detained and why. But yeah he's tryimg to portray the bearded guy did something unlawful. At 11.38 he specifically said i won't detain you under s43 to just get your details. And he did. He was detained later so they could view the video. That was specifically the reason and the grey haired officer specified as much. So AB is talking utter nonsense. Once they saw the vid the let him go. And yes if he had a recording showing camerad and entrances that is sufficient under the terrorism act. What a complete asshole.
The biggest loss to UK policing was the requirement of a degree to become an officer..... Something a 35 year old military veteran has no intention of doing. The result is lefty, university indoctrinated officers that prefer to to police feelings instead of crime.
Yo AB I am so glad you just walked off at the end there, that little man was just earning the hate so as soon as you were free you did the right thing, much respect, stay safe man!
@@beepbop9 section 43... filming is not enough reason for a search... section 44 was revoked by the EU because the police abused it. Now the use 43, if they genuinely though he was a terrorist they’d be a slightly different response... it’s a power thing. AB has every right to film, they’ve abused his right to film in public
You are good, one of the best. I always enjoy watching your videos. I watched one recently when a cop forced his way into your house without a warrant. Any further information on this incident. Mike uk
I don’t think people understand what was going on here. You recorded the Mi5 building mate. Do u understand what the building is... They simply wanted to see your footage so you weren’t doing any shady shit. They didn’t even get your details. Everything was fine and u Went on your way despite being provocative and being an utter waste of time lad.
I don’t think you understand that the mi5 building is in public and even if he filmed it he hasn’t broken any law and a legal act is not reasonable cause to use the terrorism act. I wonder how much ABs appearance helped with the assumption of terrorism
@Karl hogan that’s the point, it’s pointless his whole channel is there to piss fed off. Why would u wanna record the back of a building like that. Cba even arguing over somet like this. He’s just tryna prove a point that only ppl like u care about
@@Alex-mn5ub he’s trying to prove a point that everyone everyone should care about bootlicker. Do you think the police should just do whatever they want even if you’ve done nothing wrong?
@@Alex-mn5ub Lol he does it to Audit the police, and hopefully make them learn. Do you wonder why so many BLM supports want to defund the police? I dont support defunding them, but they just need to be reminded they are public servants and can't do what they want, most of all they need to know the law they enforce
Great audit AB you remained composed and stood up for our rights. Despite these guys being very reasonable with you (in particular the bearded cop) I still think they shouldn’t have used section 43 which ultimately you had to give up your rights and that isn’t on.
One thing about London, the police are exceptionally polite. If this interaction was in Australia you would have been throw to the ground by 4 sets of hands and getting choked out in those neatly manicured hedges! Definitely a gentlemanly town is ye old London... LOL
AB is totally unreasonable here - the officers did everything they could to give him an easy out but AB left them with no choice. At the end of the day the only right AB is trying to protect here is the freedom to act like a possible terrorist and then refuse to cooperate with the police without any consequences. Given that real terrorists are out there I really don’t think that’s a ‘right’ we should support.
Yeah best video for me too the officer put him in his place show me your footage or your going to sit in a cell AB not mouthing off on this occasion.😂😂
@@16MXD I would respectfully disagree. Day by day our rights & freedoms are being eroded. “Your safety & security” always being the excuse used. The patience, courage & self discipline AB used was exemplary, and while that may have provided those officers with some “inconvenience” and a not inconsiderable amount of cognitive dissonance, it was their choices which prolonged and escalated the situation, led to the rights infringement and no doubt the consequences (personal & professional) which will ensue. If nothing else, this will give those officers pause for thought about their conduct & the importance & fragility of the rights they are supposed to defend & uphold.
Tbh you can see why these guys are the ones trusted with firearms. Very calm and collected. Clear explanations. No sarcastic or childish comments. If anyone is going to be handling a gun I’d want it to be these guys. I understand what the idea behind the channel is but if I’m totally honest I’m rather glad these guys are watching these buildings and safeguarding them.
I have a few questions. In your other videos when you have been detained for Section 43, you have filed a civil claim. Now here are the questions: 1. Do you have enough grounds to file a civil claim here? 2. Are you or have you done that already? 3. If yes, if you dont mind sharing, any update on said civil claim. 4. If No, why? Because you did file when you were detained under the same power before.
Awesome job AB, I don't think you had any choice unfortunately, otherwise force would have been used but yet another top shelf video. Respect to all you guys
Surely there are different sides to this interesting vid? These police, especially the one with the beard, appear to be highly trained, patient and polite and a cut above the average coppers or deputized low IQ traffic wardens etc. They are trying to do their job of protecting an evidently sensitive location. Imagine if another person was filming but for terrorist purposes, and the police negligently stood by and ignored such gathering of information, and it was later shown that an incident could have been avoided if they had questioned appropriately. My guess is that the police were able to ID you even though you exercised your rights to not give such info. What would be ironic is if your efforts to successfully exercise your rights exposes vulnerable security blind spots which causes the system to further tighten up laws due to the exposing of such security issues... Treading on such thin lines can go either way.
I understand where you are coming from. But firstly, hostile surveillance is usually done very covertly. And for them to use sec 43, is WRONG. if we allow this abuse of powers, we might as well say do what you want, when you want, and just tell us what you will allow is to do. Oh sh1t, they have, corona act!!!
@@memezilla4370 Got here before me... What difference could a video of the outside of a building make.... If terrorists wanted to attack they won't need a video... Waste of trained cops.... Catch some burglars FFS.
If the building is so vulnerable that it's weaknesses are plainly visible from a public street, then they should be assigning resources to fixing that, not paying for 10 armed green beret cops in a van to waste 40 minutes negotiating with a guy with a camera.
He wasnt detained as he agreed to show footage then when they mentioned that they want to check whether he recorded protected entrances and cctv locations he wanted to run away like a chicken, so thats why they eventually were forced to detain him rightfully to check the camera footage
"Essential liberty" is the key phrase.👍🏻 Some people might try and misrepresent the wording and its meaning in order to present a false version of the truth...
@@bookie5667 well thankyou for sharing your opinion on what isn't an essential liberty - but it hardly matters, nor has relevance to the origin of the statement by Benjamin Franklin. Are you getting out for much exercise these days? Jogging is popular 😉😁
We respect your rights they say now show us your recordings or will confiscate it so we can see the video. Looks like section 43 is used way too often take what they want.
What everybody forgets here is that we live in a free country, yes a free country, not a police state, i support everything AB has done in both videos, its doesn't matter how nice those police were, we have rights and once you give up those rights, where do we go next, curfews, totalitarian state, no thanks, i want my freedom, that's why i live in this country.
free country!? when you can't do this and you can't do that, take money off you, arrest you, imprison you, make you go to war and kill you. free? it's an open air prison and can murder you
@@Aeronaut66 Living in N. Ireland, I can tell you that happened a long time ago. We were the testing ground for all the Black Works to be used against the rest of the UK. Your governments change, but not those who control you.
The bearded copper did make a good point about freedom does come with responsibility such as you have freedom to be offensive and rude but we know it's not responsible eventho technically you can do it. I like AB and his videos but they do have a point this time imo because it is buildings that have been targeted legitimately
@@MrMongoose221 Yet, fungus features is going to do to you what ever he wants, and he knows he can get away with it. This is a Queen's man, and he will treat you as the surf you are.
They go on differently in London.. They do not play games. They always want to identify who we are.. But let’s keep preserving our freedoms! Nice random photos by the way 👍
colin turner Yes, AB was trying to find an escape route when the heat got turned up and the more assertive PC came along. He kept asking is he free to go and did not watch to show footage or stop recording but he had little choice. He wasn’t going to willingly show which is why he forced them to exercise the little power they have in this circumstance. If he had tried to calmly walk away, he would have been pursued and restrained. Not worth it!
Imagine if the all these terrorist used all there rights to get out of police checking there phones... get a grip. I don't like police but i stay away as much as possible not put myself in that position. If this wae my job I'd just show them laugh at them and move on. You'd be first moaning at the police or mi5 for not looking into terrorists or why didn't rhey stop them earlier.
@@irrelevant6904 They don't have a great track record for picking up terr***sts In fact they even took some off of their watch list before they actually struck !!!
@@johnnosiennek7066 So you know it's already bad enough without clowns wasting more time. I've already stated i don't even like the police i just wouldn't waste more of their time.
Incorrect. Section 43 of the terrorism act with reference to photography. Police are allowed to stop and search members of the public if they have reason to believe that the material they have captured can be used for terrorism. Due to pointing his camera blatently at security and entrances/exits they had reason to believe. The stop and search allows them to view material captured and if they believe it is related to terrorism seize the device. No deletion of content can be requested unless court ordered. Police responded textbook to AB
Great video and I've enjoyed many others of yours, however playing devils advocate here what if they seen someone recording a sensitive area but didn't challenge them, then only for the same person to go back the next day and carry out a terror attack? How should they deal with that?
Bloody hell man. I thought they needed a warrant for your phone. That was something else. Two out of three of the officers didn't want to search you or question your rights. I don't think the man with the beard was very happy that his colleague was going against what he had already promised. He really didn't want to go back on his word. I think he knew what you were doing i.e. auditing. That was a complete power trip he was on.
I've watched loads of these videos and I normally end up feeling really angry about how the police react! For once I actually thought they were pretty fair and the one with the beard was very professional.
I totally disagree. Don’t let feelings get in the way of what’s right! The other cops are getting butthurt because you don’t now to the and arrest you on their own ignorance of the law. These clowns will batter you down like a used car salesman until they outsmart you or lie for their gain. They had no right to do that period! This was thee biggest fail for AB and I’m not putting him down but he knows how dangerous these guys are ! By far the most dangerous of all his videos I have seen! They have gorilla warfare tactics going on chatting with AB. He knew if he didn’t show him the video their would be trouble! You guys need to get on these tactics they just used and look into those codes and laws he was stating or all thee other departments are going to catch on! Cheers!
I'm happy they are checking that you are not a nut job. If your filming Mi5, what did you expect? If you are doing nothing wrong then you have no need to not show them.
The Beard officer is a great negotiator , and really good cop and cares about people and doing the “ right thing “ not just abusing power or law just coz even if he can , thats a guy we hope to have everywhere ....
I'm not a fan of the Police in general but these guys,in my opinion, acted politely and had a lot of patience with you. Thought they were decent. However, well done you too. Enjoyed the two vids on this and have subscribed to your channel.
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If you were simply walking by and took some notes, would they demand to see those notes? And if so, what would prevent you from scouting the building, remembering the locations of whatever bullshit they say is secret, and simply waiting until you are alone to record it? If that is a punishable offense, then they would have to stop and interrogate everyone in the immediate area of the buildings whose exterior apparently holds important State information!
Absolutely agree with Miles. I dont understand the point of this video at all. 100% agree with what they did. Someone filmilng a mi5 building what do you expect
Recording makes all the difference. These were not normal coppers as you said, these looked like DPG. But this is the difference between well educated, well trained, non-combative Police, who know their job are good at their job and have no personal chips on their shoulder.
I think you are looking for trouble there, what would you do if someone was filming your property like that, and i know that you gonna say its public property but still its doubious.
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It is quite concerning when the first officer tells you that the use of section 43 in this case would be patently illegal and a few minutes later a second officer in the presence of the first invokes section 43 and violates your rights. Even worse in my view is that the first officer did not stop the second officer from performing what was a known illegal act. The fact the first officer did not even attempt to dissuade the second from doing so is baffling. It makes one wonder just how unaccountable are the police in the United Kingdom and why they continue to remain unaccountable to the citizens for these violations of citizens lawful rights. Others rightly pointed out that mi5 and other security forces protecting the sensitive buildings in that area undoubtedly used facial recognition on you. Obviously, they did not get any hits or you would have been arrested on the spot. With that being the case, the use of section 43 would have been doubly illegal on its face. The first officer said section 43 use was illegal in your case and facial recognition checks undoubtedly backed his opinion up. Either filming in public is legal or it isn’t. Either you are legally required to identify or you are not. There is no he’s causing trouble, he’s trying to provoke officers, what does he expect filming sensitive sites… He is a citizen and in fact a well known citizen with more than 100k followers acting well within his rights under law and when citizens are doing so they have every expectation of being left alone to do so. Old Bill can ask a question and they can observe only to the extent that they find themselves unable to articulate a crime was committed. Final point, Old Bill was tracking you on camera the entire time. London is the second most monitored place in the world behind China, who has the largest facial recognition system in the entire world. Security forces knew well before they approached you that no crime had been committed. This is not some rural area we are talking about. So either the monitoring systems are inadequate and the citizens of the United Kingdom have been sold a bill of goods or they work well so citizens shouldn’t even be approached by Old Bill since they’ve already been electronically vetted. What they cannot do is violate citizens rights, put their hands on people, arrest or detain citizens when no violation of law can be articulated. Either the United Kingdom is a place of lawfulness or it isn’t.
Very well articulated.
Well they're highly trained anti terrorism police. The way they got the information they wanted of him (his phone) was one of them played the bad cop and one of them played the good cop. And done it very well. Played into his brain, the bad cop was mean and told him the risks if he didn't show them his phone and the good cop was very polite and acted like his friend. You see the same thing in interrogation rooms.
" Others rightly pointed out that mi5 and other security forces protecting the sensitive buildings in that area undoubtedly used facial recognition on you. Obviously, they did not get any hits or you would have been arrested on the spot".
Yeah, keep believing that narrative... If they arrested everyone they had 'useful' data on, then those people wouldn't then go back to their communities, and interact with 'friends' and supporters.... If they arrest you, based on what they have now, then they lose what they will get in the future.
And by visiting London (thank you for that), you will undoubtedly have been scanned and had your IP/Phone records analysed by the best in the business.... So now you can go back home, but be reassured; you will never be far from a sympathetic ear...
Its either lawful or unlawful and as we can all agree it was an unlawful act. . . . BUT im sure this is for court to make it a more black and white law case. Without clarity they can just do it again and again. For our benefit I think you should consider taking it to court. That would make an awesome video and you could quote the case number WHEN YOU WIN.
Great videos as usual AB Many Thanks
The first guy or the Hobbit was a sly passive aggressive patronising shit. Pretending to be all friendly and actually saying one thing and doing another. The curly silver haired copper the one that looked like a pickled fart was just hoping to abuse his power. They are unbelievable.
So this must be why they raised the terror threat level😂😂
Yep there are some people walking about using their Canon's and so must be "T"'s
Exactly it’s just antagonising police which we all did when we were teens but Whalen you grow up and have children and there is a real terrorist on the loose who the fuck would you be calling cos I can guarantee you wouldn’t just stand there and start recording. You could say it’s only a camera but I can guarantee you wouldn’t be able to do it in Russia or America or tougher countries than England
@@daleallen9685 Russia NO...but ..The USA has a very strong auditing culture, keeping all it's public servants accountable.
@@McStoolio they didn’t “have” to waste time here, they chose to. If AB was a Japanese tourist, they wouldn’t have bothered.
@@snacklepussPSN No synagogue attacked in Vienna . Prove i'm wrong
I find this whole thing fascinating. The terrorism act used against someone publicly and openly filming seems stupid even by the logic of those using it. We live in an age where you can buy so many high quality hidden recording devices that just being in the area would then be suspicion of recording. Also, surely recording cameras cannot be any different to recording anything else in public view. Surely ultra high sensitivity buildings also have hidden cameras also? My view on it is that anything which should not be seen or recorded should be hidden away from public view. AB does a great job
Exactly!! If the cameras located here are so at risk,, then the setup is clearly wrong!!
They have choisen to be in London but maybe they should be in an empty field somewhere.
I liked when they behave kinda to make you think you are free, not detained, until you decided to leave, then you suddenly were detained :D
They 'll lie and lie and lie
Not looking good he does not know what Power using for Detainment.
Why so much willing wanted to search, least they appreciate abusing their powers. Ah no more friendly talking, but what goes if filmed Entrance ??
The officer with the beard, should be the blueprint for the rest of the uk police force. Very professional,polite and patient.
I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him their all bully’s
You're delusional, he was playing nice polite psychologically cop to get info by that tactic, nothing more!
@@SkuStyle Good cop bad cop.
@@SkuStyle I don’t see what’s wrong with that though, this twat is being difficult for the sake of of being difficult
Why he’s just like every other cop soon as his friends came along he violated the guys rights.
Auditing Britain
Can you tell me why you don't have a bodycam?
And an app that keeps your camera running even when closed on phone?
It would make your videos a thousand times better.
Good idea!
He said in part 1 that his other camera's battery went flat
@@DM-mu4et "Seize"
A voice recording pen or watch is an idea and going accompanied.
@Tai Chi Tube Doubt they would be looking for those things when you're already using a camera in plain sight anyway, they certainly weren't looking for a suicide vest either.
I liked officer teen wolf Haha he's the negotiator! He nearly had me giving my details.. Only nearly tho ha
I met him on a school trip to Mount Everest at the base camp, he said the beard would serve him well,....maybe with lady wolves and suchlike, unfortunately he was loosing oxygen on his accent,....until he ran out,...every officer there especially firearm's SO 13 should know even modern gas masks need a Good seal,...and with the risk of terrorism gas or a dirty bomb is very real, A.B YOU WHERE BORDERING AT WASTING POLICE TIME HERE AND YOU ARE GENERATING THE EVIDENCE
@@since1876 i'm sure you have seen a.b is making this a hell of a lot longer than is needed, they needed to check a go yes, CHECK and go, luckily they where not needed to shoot someone who was running up behind you your misses kid and family with a samurai sword and some other weapons to end our way of life for a few ehh,....1878 to today barbaric times even on the footie pitch !!
@@cooltools007 He did not have to.. but if he had the backing of proper money this convo would end differently
Wallace and Gromit.
The one with the beard looks like the bloke from “the joy of sex” books from the 1970s
Love it ash
Funny and factually correct.
Yahoogle it and see.
lol
Dark time, it was. Back in the 70s it was
It's him!
“Terrorism, of course, was the stated reason why most of my country's surveillance programs were implemented, at a time of great fear and opportunism. But it turned out that fear was the true terrorism, perpetrated by a political system that was increasingly willing to use practically any justification to authorize the use of force.”
― Edward Snowden
I love Edward Snowdon and what he done it's just a pity no-one took it on board and just let them away with it and are still allowing it to happen.
@@snelgrave101 that is what section 10 of the human rights act is about, the little cop with the beard it totally wrong, the responsibility is TO OFFEND AND SHOCK, rights have NEVER been given, they have ALL been FOUGHT FOR, people have died so i can film MI5 if i want, i do not have to "act responsibly" the way the cop is using the term. i have to protest and shout, and here's a clear case of human rights abuse, the cops being irresponsible.
when he looks to the sky to randomly select a power "he could use" was hilarious. Thats the "free world" ladies and gentlemen.
Liberty, exposed.
Either we have rights, or we don't. It's pretty clear what the situation is. The disgusting thing is that I hear, time and time again, that 'considering the current climate we are in'. I've heard that line for the last 30 years. Operation Fear is real.
GOLD
Tell us Einstein, without looking it up, what is the relevant statute that enables the issue of a driving licence. Waiting ?
@@jimfraser734 That would be a great argument if OP was a full-time employee of law enforcement. You need to know the laws if you're going to enforce them.
@@SgtLion I think you seem to think that it is an easy job to recall every statue of law in the history of English common law at will for every specific situation when potential offences can cross many to varying degrees. I hope you have an eidetic memory!
they will ALWAYS abuse powers while they get away with doing it they have been trained that way and as time goes on more and more follow
AB you need a backup body camera. When dealing with tyrants it's dangerous to switch off your main camera and not have a backup one running.
Why be a little freak recording stuff just to get a rise out of people trying to do their jobs I’m all for freedom but just be a normal fkn guy
@@willroberts7403 he shouldn't be getting stopped that's the point.
@@willroberts7403 *WHAT FLAVOR ARE THE BOOTS ...YOU BOOTLICKER*
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When the normal guy 👦 looses freedom that's when your society starts to collapse.
Many people in other countries don't have these freedoms so the normal guy has to uphold these freedoms to keep goverments and authorities in check and balance.
In this video 📹 like AB says officers were very professional and at the end matter was resolved without any force being used.
@@aweiskhan1290 Of course there was force used. If AB hadn't complied with their unlawful search, he would have suffered loss of liberty and/or violence. That is force. AB was forced to submit.
Today MI5 is the location for unlawful searches, tomorrow could be your street. You look suspicious to me... ID please!
You are free to do as we tell you. Police state, right here,right now.
And watch those powers escalate regarding COVID testing and forced vaccinations....
@Cliff Butler Nothing short of ten million people on the streets demanding freedom will change the tyranny surging across the country.
You’ll be beaten, tased, pepper sprayed, arrested and charged with resisting arrest before you can blink.
@@helmethead72 resisting arrest isn’t a criminal offence, at least in England.
Police state my arse.
This guy with the camera is there to get a reaction and a reaction he got. To spread all over RUclips.. lol
We live in a society where I admit, that there are good and bad cops... as there are good and bad people in normal society.
But without some kind of policing, what kind of world would we live in.
It would be a lawless free for all.
So cmon get a grip and stop being an idiot and trying to make something bigger than it is.
These police officers were polite and professional. These are highly trained and using weapons are a very last result.
But they were trying to be understanding and are always criticised in what ever they do.
@@Mark-delta5 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@dwayne_dibley Yes it is, under Section 38 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861
Hello from Scandinavia, AB will you make a complaint? Are there any update?
As to the guy with the beard all I can say is if a mugger steals my bag whether he does it with a smile or a punch I still have no bag. They overstepped the bounds of legality abusing terrorism powers when it is certain they knew the auditor had no terrorist intent. Ends don’t justify means. Politicians declare terrorists won’t win, they won’t change our way of life. But they have, when those who defend us think citizens should be “responsible” and give up their rights
yes exactly, being politely beaten is still being beaten up, and the thing about the people on the other side of the street filming, being beaten up with witnesses is still being beaten up, cops have a disgusting mentality. i'm surprised cos i have seen lots of armed MOD police and they have up until this been the best, best informed, most relaxed and even stand chatting about drones for ages. these guys are typical bullies.
They had nothing on him at all, they thought he is really good at being a terrorist so that's why they were forced to break the law in order to search the phone, they literally had NOTHING on him but he acted suspicious in their heads, he played really good on this role, anyone would've gaven up their rights and showed these officers the footage.
Like the way the cop parked on the crossing never a traffic warden when you need one !!!!
They will justify it by having their emergency lights on stating they are on a call.
@@Mark... Even being on a call that was a highly dangerous position to park. There were enough police officers for the job, so no need to be there. It must be so boring the slightest sniff brings them all out. The copper ended up having to help people cross the road, when all he had to do was move the car 25 metres down the road. Typical morons.
@@mikeamor619 couldn’t agree more 👍, I’ve also seen it when there is plenty of space to park quickly, safely and not in the way yet they some how feel the need to park where it causes trouble for other road users.
They’re not interested in citizen safety.
"All Traffic Regulation Orders allow liveried police, fire and ambulance vehicles to park where other vehicles are prohibited. In the case of the fire brigade and ambulance service, the vehicle must be attending an emergency, however marked police vehicles can park in otherwise prohibited places under any circumstances."
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/illegal_parking_of_police_vehicl_2#incoming-334101
thanks for part 2 and putting yourself out there . and showing us how some people act when they simply see a member of public with a camera . stay safe
Did they lay hands on you and search your person? This is an important point if they did or did not.
In this case I would say it is better for them if they did search you, if abusing their powers anyway why not go all the way. If they didn't search you, that shows that they never actually suspected you were a terrorist to begin with. Which is what they have to have at a minimum to use 43 and search you or your stuff in the first place.
Be honest. What cop anywhere would NOT search someone they really believed to be a terrorist? None. Every last one would do so in a heart beat. These guys did not think you were a terrorist.
He threatened you with the use of powers to get compliance and abused those powers when you refused. I do hope you persue this further, including litigation when the police inevitably blow off your complaint.
"cop" im gonna be sick. gtfo
The best thing is AB always goes prepared: no ID nothing which would lead them to his name , no vehicle etc. He assumes that every time auditing they could search him.
I've watched a couple of your videos now and noticed that for some reason there seems to be no officer in charge of the incident in many cases. This is a prime example: First the guy with the short beard is the one talking to you, then comes in the guy with the long beard and in the end the gray-haired officer who hasn't been involved much before (just briefly said a few words) decides to detain you and force you to show the footage, after long-bearded guy had told you he wouldn't do that and both beards had said you were not detained. Is this common procedure in the UK? One cop lets you go and five metres away another one detains you for the exact same suspicion?
“Thank you for your cooperation etcetra 😂😂😂”
Section 43 needs to be looked at, police seem to be using/abusing it far to often for photographers just to get their own way.
The bearded cop blatantly lied to you, saying it would be illegal to use section 43 then all of a sudden it was ok because his colleague said so.
And they wonder why the public have lost faith in them 🙄
You have lost the point of this video its to goad the police. Most people who was doing something out of the ordinary and had nothing to hide would give the police there name so the whole point is too push the police as far as you can to get a reaction. Like an activist
@@peteramberley9952 Right are like muscles, if you don't use them, you lose them.....
@@Guust_Flater Best comment yet
@@peteramberley9952 I haven’t lost the point of the video, I completely understand it’s point which is to exercise our rights. If we break down the facts which are simply a man taking photographs of public buildings has section 43 used against him to see what footage/photos he has. Its that simple and it’s not what section 43 was supposed to be used for.
@@postcardsfromprotest They can use the powers anywhere if they have 'reasonable suspicion'. (It might be disputed that they did have RS in many cases).
What are these 'exemptions' that you talk about?
There are no 'exemptions' surrounding the use of section 43 powers, as far as I know.
Well AB, you're now in the system. MI5 (Home Office "Military Intelligence" Security Service) obviously called out the Met armed response team after viewing you on multiple cameras. An enhanced camera image would then be checked with the DVLA database in Swansea and linked to your driving licence image, so they probably already had a good idea who you were. They could then pull your car insurance details and log your car reg number and would be able to track your car via the TFL camera system all the way out of London. Actually, there are currently over 1,000 TFL traffic cameras in and around London and Camera Ref 4327 (Cam No.234 Millbank) would have picked up your interaction with the response team, while Camera Ref 6501 (Cam No.497 Parliament Sq) would have picked up your interaction with the rude WPC who told you to "Keep Walking". You're never alone in London.:-)
Well thats only if he drove there.. he could have got on a train or a coach ?
yes they both seemed highly articulate in stark contrast to the usual bumbling plod, they could probably be a politician
Good to see David Mitchell has found a new job in these tough times.
thats it i was thinking robin williams but its david fs
LOOOOL too accurate
😂 he lost some weight in lockdown too
David Mitchell would never whitewash an assault.
ohhh David would have crushed them in 2min or less and then all the lads would be laughing about it. Police simply don't have enough power to stop David Mitchell under any section or act
Google have got some great footage of that MI5 building. Wonder if they asked them to delete their footage?
Serious question, AB, now that the UK terrorism threat has been raised to 4/5 severe - an attack is highly likely, would that modify your decisions to take pics, say, outside MI5 building or would you accept the inevitable attention and likely questions, searches etc?
I’ve watched numerous of these vids, you’ve got some that act unprofessional and go over the top. But if you stand outside government buildings and film them, and then have police come question you and cry about it then you must not have that many brain cells.
Convenient terrorism threat has been raised - to keep us scared and in our houses.
@@leathleyg5995 Can you point me to where the list of protected buildings is, in the TACT (2000 or 2006).
I don't think there is, but am happy to be pointed in the right direction.
Sec 58 legislation, as far as I am aware, offers no extra protection for cetain buildings.
@@ловушказвезда which is perfectly legal
@@leathleyg5995 Any luck finding that list of 'ptotected buildings' contained in TACT?
Ah mr AB we’ve been expectiing you
Lol 😂
and we will send other people across the street in case wee have to pull our guns on you awful nice of them to single you out like that.
I have previously stepped in and told you the police treated you badly. In this instance I think the police demonstrated complete professionalism and diligence and should be congratulated for doing the job decent people expect them to do. You on the other hand are completely unrealistic regarding the risks to public safety and need to take your head out of your backside.
@@G0MTQ If the law states that filming alone cannot be used as reasonable suspicion, then the police use it as reasonable suspicion, they are breaking the law. Do you think that's okay? Where do you draw the line?
@@SmokeyMcPot42087 filming alone as you say is not suspicious, but surely you are not so naive to think hanging around security services buildings and filming them is not is not going to raise the interest of public protection officers? Is your memory so blank that you can’t recall the police officer and members of public who lost there lives not so long ago not so far from your filming. You were appropriately questioned and were treated with due respect. Alongside rights goes responsibility.
I'll be honest, these guys actually seemed quite reasonable.
Reasonable is asking for something that can be denied and being okay when that’s denied
@Carl Username Not really. Guy was trying to just say he was acting suspiciously (he was) and he wanted to defuse it as quickly as possibly. He didn't threaten to arrest him or tell him it was illegal. He explained it well. AB has exposed some right numpty coppers on this channel which I'm all for but in this video I didn't really think the police did much wrong,
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
The guy with the beard was a really nice guy....you just took.the piss my good sir,
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Are you delusional thats not the point just because hes nice that doesnt make the law irrelevant????!
Men with guns have the luxury of hiding behind a smile and appearing 'nice'. Doesn't change the fact that AB's rights were abused... again. The police evidently don't like the public challenging them in any way. Most people ARE 'scared' of the uniform, which gives the police the ability to control 99% of situations. The bigger the uniform, the bigger the ego. They know the difference between a terrorist and a blogger, but they couldn't let it go. This was a pissing competition and they refuse to lose. They couldn't look through hours of footage in minutes, so it was hardly a 'thorough' search. And the smirks from two of the officers once they had seen the footage basically said: "We win."
Love your videos AB. Keep em coming. :-)
good cop bad cop... grooming to get an i.d. they don't have a right to get.
And they are supposed to protect our rights.
You are taking the piss. Get off your knees.
@@mattthompson4836 Well said. How it is.
I'm confused as to why all these protected buildings are amazing structures. Why wouldn't you want to take pictures of them? The architecture is amazing.
You should of let him finish what he wanted to say. But you walked off anyways good video
It's not the buildings per se, it's the info associated with that building the authorities do not want to be made public. This is how Britain operates as a nation. Secretive. Behind closed. Only allowed to see whatever the authorities deem fit. Very sinister. Diabolical. Privacy is very important to the Brits so that they can continue with their plots and schemes.
Can’t even film and enjoy the buildings we pay for with our hard earned taxes... 🤦♂️
If secrecy was so important why put the building in the middle of London.. move it off site to an isolated area..
But it's OK for them to automatically block cell phone signals within 200m of the building. Disgrace.
You dumb fuck
IDD, what are the expecting to find, you laughing i'm gonna bomb them, I'm gonna destroy them, there is nothing you can find than just a guy filming something. filming is not a crime.
@@Lucia-k5p9x yes probably to stop mobile phone operated remote control bombs outside a building which has been if not still a terror target
AB use a body cam as well as your phone or camera u need a back up
@David Rogers Post some vids to back up your claim about being mobbed etc. As a matter of interest why would your local council be mobbing you?
@David Rogers Ah I see. An excuse that you will use to fail to post video on what you claim is/has happened to you. Awww such a shame, and there was me offering you the chance to prove your non-existant claim. Oh, and just as aside, who is it that you claim to have worked for?? If you are going to make up a fantasy world to exist in, at least make it one that we might believe in if you have a rational explanation of why we would believe it, instead of 'It is too subtle to pick up on video'.
@David Rogers Roflmfao. Ok so now you turn to an attack on me for questioning your rather fantastical claims? YOU are the one claiming to be 'followed' and 'mobbed' by your local council, and that alone makes me wonder why would they do that? IF you are being 'followed and 'mobbed' by your local council, where is the proof? OR why are they 'following' and 'mobbing' you? I would assume you have a camera at least on your phone, with which you could record these 'mobbings'. Take your little fantasy world back into the dark, rewrite it so that at least it 'appears' believable. And you still haven't said who it is you claim to have worked for. As for being some kind of authority on my part. No I am not, but what I AM, is someone willing to pick apart someones rather hysterical and nonsensical claims. And I am quite willing to do that for as long as it takes.
@@stoopingfalcon891 😂
Well done Mod Plod for keeping our country safe in the correct way 10 out of 10
Hi AB generally I think that you do an excellent job by doing these films, by opening the eyes to all communities. I think and as you subscriber, I want to see a movie when you can educate the community on what laws they have and what police crew cannot do. please respond if you agree.
I’m sure they would like u to consent if u don’t they know they broke the law
You cannot consent to a search, it has to be based on law.
@David Rogers I agree, if these auditors knew the law even slightly they could run rings around these cops.
@@cypeman8037 ...from a jail cell maybe, yeah.
It's not a matter of knowing the law, it's a matter of law enforcement personnel applying the law correctly/justly. Not sure your average auditor can afford too many (unlawful) arrests
@@MrGeorgeScatos That don't make sense if something is proven unlawful then its accountable by recourse, so pursued by a solicitor working on your behalf you have a case and conclusion would be compensation.
@@MrGeorgeScatos From the way you spell jail, it's Gaol in the UK, I presume, possibly wrongly our not English.
There is no financial penalty for being arrested and bailed in the UK. So it doesn't cost obviously until you get fined at court.
You can easily defend your actions and the unjust actions of the police on the street in these circumstances by knowing 5 pieces of the law and the PACE codes of practi, it's not difficult.
Sir AB, love how you asked if you were still being detained then walked off, denying plods the last word.
That really gave those perfidious tyrants a proper verbal face slapping.
Love your work Sir, stay safe and take care on your next mission.🙏🏻🇬🇧❤️
Hey Sir Richard, I must of missed all of your comments I apologies if I did .
How are you keeping dear friend ?
@@AuditingBritain
Good evening Sir AB.
I'm well, happy and content, it's great to hear from you.
There's no problems my end whenever you've missed the occasional comment, as they come obligation free. And this is understandable, knowing that you have thousands of comments (some worthy some unworthy of your attention) to scroll through, with a limited amount of time to do so.
You will always receive encouragement and have my full support. Take care and stay safe mukka, my thoughts are never to far away from you.
@@richardtheeighth4431 thank you Sir Richard
@@AuditingBritain hey hun have you checked their allowed to check your footage under sec 43 focus’s pocus I’m sure as he said they’re now allowed
he still got his rights violated and he cant do anything about it because he allowed them to do it by his own words i am very disappointed
I’m curious, what difference would it have made if you had filmed the cameras, as far as I’m aware filming cameras is still not illegal. I myself, would have Ben extremely tempted to tell them this and inform them that if they continued on this course I would return and film the cameras and then done that.
In total agreement, I would have gone and spent a couple of hours just recording all the CAMERAS,
In principal I agree, though that may have brought on further action judging how blondie behaved. He was clearly on a power trip - it’s obvious from his body language he’s a narcissist.
I think they're specifically mentioned in Sect 43, you'd have to check..
I was thinking the exact same thing what is the issue with filming a camera?
Because if this was hostile surveillance eg. terrorists, serious and organised crime or surveillance gathering by unfriendly or potentially hostile states the location of security/CCTV cameras can be significantly important as well as the building layout etc. This could, if used for such reasons threaten the Security Service (MI5) which plays such a vital role in the National Security of the United Kingdom. I am very much a supporter of our freedoms which is why I understand the high level of security around both these buildings (MI5 & MI6) who keep this free country safe. Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
Did you have to identify yourself while off camera? While they were viewing the footage?
This screamed to me Section 43 the minute I read MI5
Very important quote that should written on the back of every warrant card.
"Those who would give up liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
1984 was a warning not a manual!!!
Is there a way you can lock out your phone before handing to them? or maybe record your videos to a protected file where a password is required to open and view? Seems Sec 43 covers a wide berth when abusing personal rights.
Go live like they do in the USA. Bamboozer!
The danger is that if they don't get to see the images, they may just end up seizing it anyway to search at their own convenience. So it's a decision the auditor has to make. Show the images, or risk having the camera/phone seized.
Why should you lose your rights because of what terrorists have done
it's all just an excuse, Dawah. They are really saying, " We don't want anyone filming our buildings, in case they see something or someone that will compromise our authority "
Terrorists can get better information from sources within the building (i.e. their spies) or from Google Earth! It's all so ridiculous.
@J Yes, you are correct. There are other ways, for example; wearing "spy" glasses, a smart watch, or as AB remarked, incognito as the "Conway workers" might have been, or simply as a passenger on the bus that went by....
@J - guess you haven’t seen real world footage of those undertaking hostile reconnaissance in British cities....
@@st05002125 dna testing the entire population would solve a large majority of all crime past and present. Just because a handful of terrorists have obtained reconnaissance with cameras is no justification for searching all photographers who take pictures in public
Did you launch a civil claim AB and did anything happen ?
Just curious..Do you ever file complaints?
*violates your rights...
"I respect your rights"....
💁♂️
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So they should never follow up on terror threats and protect the country ? In fear of ‘violating’ rights? AB deliberately acted suspicious so of course this would happened. Not worrying if the police didn’t do their job
This guy is an idiot. He doesn't understand semantics and like to twist words so his dumb followerd think he's some god. That much is evident considering he keeps repeating himself once he's been told hes been detained and why. But yeah he's tryimg to portray the bearded guy did something unlawful. At 11.38 he specifically said i won't detain you under s43 to just get your details. And he did. He was detained later so they could view the video. That was specifically the reason and the grey haired officer specified as much. So AB is talking utter nonsense. Once they saw the vid the let him go. And yes if he had a recording showing camerad and entrances that is sufficient under the terrorism act. What a complete asshole.
The beardy guy has an element of ex special forces about him. A lot of ex military guys end up working for the Police
UKSF tend to be less chatty.....
So do potential thieves. rapists and murderers
The biggest loss to UK policing was the requirement of a degree to become an officer..... Something a 35 year old military veteran has no intention of doing.
The result is lefty, university indoctrinated officers that prefer to to police feelings instead of crime.
Is the hobbit now back in the shire abusing his power there?
More like in his lorry in 1980’s Yorkshire.
Horrible little see you hen tea isn't he.
Hes been playing with his ring a bit much
whats better an axe a big hammer or kitchen knives?
Did you get a compo payment for unlawfully detained?
Yo AB I am so glad you just walked off at the end there, that little man was just earning the hate so as soon as you were free you did the right thing, much respect, stay safe man!
@@pos3945 *You love tyranny, don't you?*
He doesn’t respect your rights.. wow
The threat to our country is now severe so any one is now a target
@@barcabhoy7193 tell that to the 14 people killed
Enlighten me. What rights were broken/disrespected here?
@@beepbop9 section 43... filming is not enough reason for a search... section 44 was revoked by the EU because the police abused it. Now the use 43, if they genuinely though he was a terrorist they’d be a slightly different response... it’s a power thing. AB has every right to film, they’ve abused his right to film in public
@@beepbop9 are you enlighten?
Was the bearded cop wearing a fake beard or was it just well groomed.
stick on
it was a lot like an Abe Lincoln
They know about grooming very well so of course.
Sure i saw something moving about it it :)
I thought he looked like a character out of Lord of the rings or the Hobbit......
Ive worked out that ab has got a subtle welsh accent. Now can i get a job with mi5?
You are good, one of the best. I always enjoy watching your videos. I watched one recently when a cop forced his way into your house without a warrant. Any further information on this incident. Mike uk
I don’t think people understand what was going on here. You recorded the Mi5 building mate. Do u understand what the building is... They simply wanted to see your footage so you weren’t doing any shady shit. They didn’t even get your details. Everything was fine and u Went on your way despite being provocative and being an utter waste of time lad.
I don’t think you understand that the mi5 building is in public and even if he filmed it he hasn’t broken any law and a legal act is not reasonable cause to use the terrorism act. I wonder how much ABs appearance helped with the assumption of terrorism
@Karl hogan that’s the point, it’s pointless his whole channel is there to piss fed off. Why would u wanna record the back of a building like that. Cba even arguing over somet like this. He’s just tryna prove a point that only ppl like u care about
@@Alex-mn5ub he’s trying to prove a point that everyone everyone should care about bootlicker. Do you think the police should just do whatever they want even if you’ve done nothing wrong?
@@Alex-mn5ub Lol he does it to Audit the police, and hopefully make them learn. Do you wonder why so many BLM supports want to defund the police? I dont support defunding them, but they just need to be reminded they are public servants and can't do what they want, most of all they need to know the law they enforce
Shorter man with beard, smart guy, holds himself well tactically, the good cop/less good cop worked. Clearly has smarts.
Great audit AB you remained composed and stood up for our rights. Despite these guys being very reasonable with you (in particular the bearded cop) I still think they shouldn’t have used section 43 which ultimately you had to give up your rights and that isn’t on.
Sensitivity of a building does not come before a human beings rights. I could pull up Google Maps hit street view and look at those cameras.
One thing about London, the police are exceptionally polite. If this interaction was in Australia you would have been throw to the ground by 4 sets of hands and getting choked out in those neatly manicured hedges! Definitely a gentlemanly town is ye old London... LOL
Really good police work. In other countries they’d beat you on the floor and smash your phone up.
I think this is the best audit you have been involved with AB. Huge respect to you after this..
He comes across as 'simple' IMO.
AB is totally unreasonable here - the officers did everything they could to give him an easy out but AB left them with no choice. At the end of the day the only right AB is trying to protect here is the freedom to act like a possible terrorist and then refuse to cooperate with the police without any consequences.
Given that real terrorists are out there I really don’t think that’s a ‘right’ we should support.
Yeah best video for me too the officer put him in his place show me your footage or your going to sit in a cell AB not mouthing off on this occasion.😂😂
@@16MXD I would respectfully disagree. Day by day our rights & freedoms are being eroded. “Your safety & security” always being the excuse used. The patience, courage & self discipline AB used was exemplary, and while that may have provided those officers with some “inconvenience” and a not inconsiderable amount of cognitive dissonance, it was their choices which prolonged and escalated the situation, led to the rights infringement and no doubt the consequences (personal & professional) which will ensue.
If nothing else, this will give those officers pause for thought about their conduct & the importance & fragility of the rights they are supposed to defend & uphold.
Man, you folded faster than superman on laundry again when they put the acid on, should have made them get a court order
Tbh you can see why these guys are the ones trusted with firearms. Very calm and collected. Clear explanations. No sarcastic or childish comments. If anyone is going to be handling a gun I’d want it to be these guys. I understand what the idea behind the channel is but if I’m totally honest I’m rather glad these guys are watching these buildings and safeguarding them.
I have a few questions. In your other videos when you have been detained for Section 43, you have filed a civil claim. Now here are the questions: 1. Do you have enough grounds to file a civil claim here? 2. Are you or have you done that already? 3. If yes, if you dont mind sharing, any update on said civil claim. 4. If No, why? Because you did file when you were detained under the same power before.
AB I like your audits because you are alway responsible, please keep the fantastic work up
I need to stop watching these vide before I go to bed because they just rile me up and then I can't get to sleep lol
Awesome job AB, I don't think you had any choice unfortunately, otherwise force would have been used but yet another top shelf video. Respect to all you guys
Surely there are different sides to this interesting vid? These police, especially the one with the beard, appear to be highly trained, patient and polite and a cut above the average coppers or deputized low IQ traffic wardens etc. They are trying to do their job of protecting an evidently sensitive location. Imagine if another person was filming but for terrorist purposes, and the police negligently stood by and ignored such gathering of information, and it was later shown that an incident could have been avoided if they had questioned appropriately. My guess is that the police were able to ID you even though you exercised your rights to not give such info. What would be ironic is if your efforts to successfully exercise your rights exposes vulnerable security blind spots which causes the system to further tighten up laws due to the exposing of such security issues... Treading on such thin lines can go either way.
I can’t lie but do terrorist go outside and film sensitive building they can google a whole blue print of the building.
I understand where you are coming from.
But firstly, hostile surveillance is usually done very covertly.
And for them to use sec 43, is WRONG.
if we allow this abuse of powers, we might as well say do what you want, when you want, and just tell us what you will allow is to do.
Oh sh1t, they have, corona act!!!
Yeah the bearded nazi is sooooo much better because he politely violates rights.
@@memezilla4370 Got here before me... What difference could a video of the outside of a building make.... If terrorists wanted to attack they won't need a video... Waste of trained cops.... Catch some burglars FFS.
If the building is so vulnerable that it's weaknesses are plainly visible from a public street, then they should be assigning resources to fixing that, not paying for 10 armed green beret cops in a van to waste 40 minutes negotiating with a guy with a camera.
They told you earlier on that you weren't detained but you kept talking and talking.
He wasnt detained as he agreed to show footage then when they mentioned that they want to check whether he recorded protected entrances and cctv locations he wanted to run away like a chicken, so thats why they eventually were forced to detain him rightfully to check the camera footage
Thanks for cooperating forcibly. We will now lecture you and explain in a roundabout way till we bore you. Oh dear you already left!!
*Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."(Benjamin Franklin).*
Your quotation might have been appropriate if there was something "essential" about taking photos of the outside of the MI5 building. THERE ISN'T.
"Essential liberty" is the key phrase.👍🏻 Some people might try and misrepresent the wording and its meaning in order to present a false version of the truth...
@@steveallan6237 taking photos of a building is not an essential liberty.
@@bookie5667 well thankyou for sharing your opinion on what isn't an essential liberty - but it hardly matters, nor has relevance to the origin of the statement by Benjamin Franklin.
Are you getting out for much exercise these days? Jogging is popular 😉😁
@@steveallan6237 thank you for agreeing with my original point that the Benjamin Franklin quotation has no relevance here.
We respect your rights they say now show us your recordings or will confiscate it so we can see the video. Looks like section 43 is used way too often take what they want.
Wonder how many section 43's AB could rack up lol
@Luapa gréât idea
What everybody forgets here is that we live in a free country, yes a free country, not a police state, i support everything AB has done in both videos, its doesn't matter how nice those police were, we have rights and once you give up those rights, where do we go next, curfews, totalitarian state, no thanks, i want my freedom, that's why i live in this country.
free country!? when you can't do this and you can't do that, take money off you, arrest you, imprison you, make you go to war and kill you. free? it's an open air prison and can murder you
@@Aeronaut66 Living in N. Ireland, I can tell you that happened a long time ago. We were the testing ground for all the Black Works to be used against the rest of the UK. Your governments change, but not those who control you.
The bearded copper did make a good point about freedom does come with responsibility such as you have freedom to be offensive and rude but we know it's not responsible eventho technically you can do it. I like AB and his videos but they do have a point this time imo because it is buildings that have been targeted legitimately
@@MrMongoose221 Yet, fungus features is going to do to you what ever he wants, and he knows he can get away with it. This is a Queen's man, and he will treat you as the surf you are.
He's got one thing you dont have!
A Great Big Bushy Beard! Lol!
They go on differently in London.. They do not play games. They always want to identify who we are.. But let’s keep preserving our freedoms!
Nice random photos by the way 👍
@David Rodgers
When a police constable tells you that you are detained you are not free to walk away.
colin turner Yes, AB was trying to find an escape route when the heat got turned up and the more assertive PC came along. He kept asking is he free to go and did not watch to show footage or stop recording but he had little choice. He wasn’t going to willingly show which is why he forced them to exercise the little power they have in this circumstance. If he had tried to calmly walk away, he would have been pursued and restrained. Not worth it!
I think there are two types of police forces in London?.
Skank Ashkenazi Yeah, the Met and the City of London police. Also got 2 different Mayors..
This why I don’t like some police because they try to make a Bunch of rubbish which makes people not feel Comfortable talking to police
I noticed officer Chinless was the one who instigated the section 43 detainment...As for the bearded one ,,I think his tongue is scared of the dark!
Imagine if the all these terrorist used all there rights to get out of police checking there phones... get a grip. I don't like police but i stay away as much as possible not put myself in that position. If this wae my job I'd just show them laugh at them and move on. You'd be first moaning at the police or mi5 for not looking into terrorists or why didn't rhey stop them earlier.
@@irrelevant6904 They don't have a great track record for picking up terr***sts In fact they even took some off of their watch list before they actually struck !!!
@Strange Fruit 12 year olds on your mind noncey boy?
@@johnnosiennek7066 So you know it's already bad enough without clowns wasting more time. I've already stated i don't even like the police i just wouldn't waste more of their time.
I hope you put a complaint in, at least it will be on their record, abuse is rife, and a court order is needed to serch your phone,
@@truthtime3156 whatever Mr PC.
@@truthtime3156 abuse of the section 43 are you blind?
Incorrect. Section 43 of the terrorism act with reference to photography. Police are allowed to stop and search members of the public if they have reason to believe that the material they have captured can be used for terrorism. Due to pointing his camera blatently at security and entrances/exits they had reason to believe. The stop and search allows them to view material captured and if they believe it is related to terrorism seize the device. No deletion of content can be requested unless court ordered. Police responded textbook to AB
@@MrLordingit Clearly Mrs PCSO
@@beepbop9 OK smarty pants, show me HOW ON EARTH you use a photo of a public building for "terrorism"
was the officer with the beard in GOOD WILL HUNTING?
Gorgeous photos at 4:40. Your talents are complex and many, my friend
Great video and I've enjoyed many others of yours, however playing devils advocate here what if they seen someone recording a sensitive area but didn't challenge them, then only for the same person to go back the next day and carry out a terror attack? How should they deal with that?
FFS you've seen too many movies.
Bloody hell man. I thought they needed a warrant for your phone. That was something else. Two out of three of the officers didn't want to search you or question your rights. I don't think the man with the beard was very happy that his colleague was going against what he had already promised. He really didn't want to go back on his word. I think he knew what you were doing i.e. auditing. That was a complete power trip he was on.
I've watched loads of these videos and I normally end up feeling really angry about how the police react! For once I actually thought they were pretty fair and the one with the beard was very professional.
No he said the right thing's but took part in the normal abuse of legislation
Yeah violating rights is soooooo much better if they are only polite about it.
I totally disagree. Don’t let feelings get in the way of what’s right! The other cops are getting butthurt because you don’t now to the and arrest you on their own ignorance of the law. These clowns will batter you down like a used car salesman until they outsmart you or lie for their gain. They had no right to do that period! This was thee biggest fail for AB and I’m not putting him down but he knows how dangerous these guys are ! By far the most dangerous of all his videos I have seen! They have gorilla warfare tactics going on chatting with AB. He knew if he didn’t show him the video their would be trouble! You guys need to get on these tactics they just used and look into those codes and laws he was stating or all thee other departments are going to catch on! Cheers!
then they abused their powers.
You're a gullible idiot who obviously doesn't believe in a lawful society.
I guess the bearded policeman was quite happy to play the good cop role as long as his partner is there playing the bad cop. Just my opinion
I'm happy they are checking that you are not a nut job. If your filming Mi5, what did you expect? If you are doing nothing wrong then you have no need to not show them.
The Beard officer is a great negotiator , and really good cop and cares about people and doing the “ right thing “ not just abusing power or law just coz even if he can , thats a guy we hope to have everywhere ....
He stood and watched a citizens right be violated. He is as much a jack booted thug as the rest.
Shit wrapped in a shiny paper.
The bearded chap very pleasant but clearly NOT MET POLICE but MI5 probably interrogation.
Nope - he let it happen.
@@leopaddy3535 They were all spooks
I'm not a fan of the Police in general but these guys,in my opinion, acted politely and had a lot of patience with you. Thought they were decent.
However, well done you too.
Enjoyed the two vids on this and have subscribed to your channel.
Nah, they abused powers. you are blind mate.
@@arnoldthomsen6571 took you a year to reply, Arnie 🤷
@@gazsince1966 Sorry.
@@arnoldthomsen6571 🤣👍 I'd actually forgotten about that video.. have a good day 👊
@@gazsince1966 You too.
Blondie is Roy from Bladerunner: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain."
I think he looks like Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High (Sean Penn)
Both magnificent comments. What about the dad from Outnumbered and Peter Sutcliffe.
@@sharifela7993 Less Peter Sutcliffe more Joe Wilkninson
Yes a fair point well made.
That officer done the right thing I say u was very lucky
Hi AB, would really like to know if you followed up on the MI5 video as this was very concerning how they abused your rights?
Look at all the mindless NPC walking around in the background
If you were simply walking by and took some notes, would they demand to see those notes? And if so, what would prevent you from scouting the building, remembering the locations of whatever bullshit they say is secret, and simply waiting until you are alone to record it? If that is a punishable offense, then they would have to stop and interrogate everyone in the immediate area of the buildings whose exterior apparently holds important State information!
Worth a try. Go around scribbling with a rubber and see how they react
To be fair , the cop with the beard was quite a nice fellow. Feel the others may have gone up a gear or two had you not been filming
He was a lying prick. Just because he was superficially polite, he was still a liar and he unlawfully abused ABs rights.
Absolutely agree with Miles. I dont understand the point of this video at all. 100% agree with what they did. Someone filmilng a mi5 building what do you expect
Section 43 needs removing now it's a serious abuse of power.
the bearded copper actually seemed decent and for some reason gave of a vibe where i could sit there and want to learn something
The police officer with the beard i think did a great job handling the situation and is a true asset to the Met police force.
100
Recording makes all the difference. These were not normal coppers as you said, these looked like DPG. But this is the difference between well educated, well trained, non-combative Police, who know their job are good at their job and have no personal chips on their shoulder.
I think you are looking for trouble there, what would you do if someone was filming your property like that, and i know that you gonna say its public property but still its doubious.