Excellent video. But if my memory serves me right, while talking about the "arquebus ", the weapon shown from around 1:34 is a type of snap-matchlock called the " tanegashima" which was made in feudal Japan. You can even see that the serpentine(the curved metal bar that is designed to hold the slow match) rests on a horizontal V-spring ready to "snap" the burning match on to the priming powder in the pan. The Portuguese introduced firearms into Japan during their expeditions in the early 1600s. The Japanese quickly adopted the new firearms and modified the design to suit their gunners. Expert metalworkers were abundant in Japan at the time and they managed to produce these in substantial numbers. The "arquebus" employed a far simpler lock(if it can even be called that) and was used in Iberia in the late 15th to early 16th century. It was distinct because it didn't have any spring and the serpentine and the bar(which continued to the underside of the buttstock and pulling which lowered the serpentine) was a continuous piece that acted as a lever which was pivoted on a pin on the outside of the stock.
The thing that bugs me is that apparently matchlock "muskets" well into the 17th century seem to have nothing but this pivoting lever connected to, well, a trigger with a trigger guard instead of that simple bar, but still, no spring or anything. No real trigger action. Any thoughts on this?
I hadn't heard about the difference in lock mechanisms before. That very interesting! However, the Portuguese introduced a type of arquebus thought to be from their Indian arsenals in Goa to Japan in 1543, not the 1600s. This is what the Tanegashima teppo/hinawaju were based on.
I agree. You get some of it with shogun 2 at least. I'm not too familiar with Japanese tactics at the time but I often use pretty much pike and shot armies with some archers mixed in and they work pretty well
There is a Empire TW mod 1600s for it. Also late period of Medieval 2 is actually early pike and shot period. You can field pikemen and matchlock wielded arqubusiers.
This part (2:23) doesn't show a Pikeman, but instead actually shows a Halberdier, a soldier during the Spanish Inquisition that was like pikeman, but welded a Halberd rather than a Pike, and were used as a secondary option in contrast to Pikeman for melee warfare, while Arquebusiers/Musketeers were used more for ranged combat.
Its the same for portugal and Ming Dynasty china。The portugese were armed with arquebuses and muskets which were slow to load but had a long range and great accurcey。On the other hand，the Chinese soldiers were still mainly armed with ancinet weapons and hand cannons which were fast to load but had a short range and low accurcey。
The pox, and other illnesses like it were not weapons, the damage that they did would have occurred regardless of the actions or intentions of the Europeans.
The musket was not favored because of faster loading which is an oxymoron. Not saying either does take 5 mins to reload a musket at all. In fact about 1 min and a few secs so long you have your pattern down. But crossbow were indeed a much faster arms to reload. The musket was favored for it's fire Power and near single shot ability to kill.
German dude at the end of the 16th Century: Ah, yes. I get credit for the volley line. Oda Nobunaga in mid-16th Century Nihon: Am I joke to you? Oda Nobunaga (the First Great Unifier of Japan), who wholeheartedly adopted the use of firearms (after the introduction of Portuguese arquebuses, in the 1540's), famously used the volley line at the Battle of Nagashino, in 1575. (He had already developed the tactic earlier.) There, Oda employed three lines of 1000 arquebusiers, with 1000 firing their tanegashima (locally made (Japanese) guns), then falling back to reload, as the next two subsequent ranks fired. Also of note, the Takeda clan, the Oda and Tokugawa clans' opponents, believed the Oda tanegashima to be useless, due to wet weather soaking the powder and fuses. However, the Oda clan had boxes over the pan, which prevented the powder from getting wet. Needless to say, the Takeda clan lost... horribly. The Japanese were especially adept at early firearms, in those days before the end of the Sengoku Jidai (period). The number of tanegashima produced was greater than all of the arquebuses of Europe combined. Some Japanese continued to produce tanegashima until the end of the Edo (Tokugawa) Jidai (the end of Shogunate Japan, 1865), as the gun replaced the yumi/yajiri (bow and arrow), or long pikes/swords, as the primary weapon of ashigaru (foot soldiers) and Samurai. (Yeah, the kitana was NOT the primary weapon of the Samurai, nor was it really ever.) Contrary to what fiction has one believe, the last days of the Samurai were dominated not by the Uchigitana (Kitana), but by the gun. The true events behind "The Last Samurai", during the Boshin War, near the beginning of the Meiji Restoration, had the Samurai fighting with their swords, only because they had run out of munitions, and decided on a suicidal charge. Just a little credit where it's due. Oda Nobunaga was an absolute beast, and an interesting study, as is the whole of late Sengoku Jidai Nihon.
The Spanish Tercios introduced the invention of the Arquebus mixing it with traditional spikemen. El gran Capitán ( Mr.Cordova) revolutionized battles with this new technology first in Europe and then in America for 150 years domintating the battlefield.
@David Livingstone you cannot consider them as tercios at the point yet, plus they were less in numbers. In any case if you want to find a real massacre near those years, you have Pavía (1525) the day when the heavy cavalry ended up ruling the battlefield in favour to the spanish combined infantry.
@David Livingstone Leyva is not Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba, plus he died by illness not in battle. Pavia end up the reign of the french heavy cavalry, and all in all the war on Italy was won, is a fact not an opinion. Trying to compare minor victories within a complete lost war and posterior humiliation on the battle field (Bicoca, San Quintín, Gravelinas... etc) show a lack of history knowledge or just avoiding accept who ruled. Sorry about that. Just have a look on a map of those days, France was in France, Spain all over the world. And lucky to them the bast population they had as well as all thr other enemies to face, othewise would not even on the map.
"the late 16th and early 17th centuries were the glory days of the Caribbean pirates" No?? Do you have your centuries mixed up? Golden age of piracy was late 1600's and early 1700s = the late 17th century and early 18th century. Also pretty sure flintlocks were not invented in the "mid 16th century."
@@matiasandreupinanaradrigan7862 Not a smoker. I puff cigars from time to time. Zippos are awesome to carry. I have had mine for more than 15 years. Still mint condition even after continuous heavy use. It is as blue collar American as you can be, along with Harley Davidson motorcycles and the M1911 handgun.
The idea that spain weaponized diseases is F A R beyond the scope of this documentary. Entirely different conversation. Plagues were ripping through native populations before Europeans even arrived. Could have been from the south pacific. Very problematic
@@comradekenobi6908Use your thinking cap for a second. If one European fisherman met a tribe all the way in what's today known as Nova Scotia and you live all the down in the Mississippi region, when you catch plague from all your other indigenous neighbors, have you ever "met" any European? Have your neighbors even made contact with any European? Or was it rather that the plague jumped from tribe to tribe for hundreds of miles prior to any contact with Europeans?
One mistake: a common prejudice is to credit to the measles epidemy. for the success of the Spanish conquest. Measles affected equally (if not more because of their closer proximity) to the Spanish allies, namely the Tlaxcaltecas and other groups that formed a confederacy against their archrivals: the Aztecs. Anyway, in the fall of Tenochtitlan, the ratio of Spanish to Aztecs was several hundred Aztecs for every Spanish. The ratio ratio between the Aztecs and the Tlaxcaltecan confederacy was 1.2 to 1. This data is taken from recent lectures from professors of the UNAM, experts on their field, of course.
But wouldn't it have still created enough widespread social strife and upheaval that they were still facing a less cohesive enemy creating the opportunity to seize power in the midst of the chaos, whether the army is mostly native or not? Especially considering they had eliminated the previous ruler. Disease made it harder to adapt to what was already an abrupt political change.
Fortunately, the nose hadn't been invented before 1632, rendering the problem of the smell of the matchlock irrelevant. But with the inception and widespread popularity of Monsieur Snouts novel new technology, it became necessary to improve the nature of firearms ignition systems.
Dear friends, I have an old japanese teppo, 130 cm long, 12.5 mm bore, Hormady .480 round balls with patch, 2.8 grams of Swiss black powder No. 3, but when I shoot, I guarantee you, I'm always afraid. Black powder and fuse they do not get along ...and use glasses to protect yourself. Saluti dal Tiro a Segno Nazionale di Milano, ciao.
Faster rate of fire than a crossbow? What kind? If we're talking about heavy crossbows that's mainly for sieging and castle defense, then sure. If perhaps we're talking about the french mounted crossbowmen (cranequinier) that uses a cranequin to span their crossbows, then sure. But if we're talking about field crossbowmen that uses a spanning belt or a goat's foot lever to span the crossbow, then that's a big no. These field deployed crossbowmen were more common than mounted the mounted ones or the one intended for siege/castle defense.
The ones loaded by a spanning belt or goat's foot lever had a lot less power though, I think he's talking about the windlass powered ones which in pretty sure were also used on the battlefield and took about as long to reload as a matchlock but the gun had the power advantage
@@thebelgianbeast9949 Well yeah, hence why they are mainly used on the field, because of their quicker reloads and lighter weight compared to heavy crossbows. Yet they were still extremely effective, to the point that the pope wanted to have them banned because they were too efficient at killing. I never said that windlass crossbows weren't used on the field, I said that they were mainly used on sieges and on defense but I never excluded them. It just stands that the crossbows that are spanned by a goat's foot lever or a spanning belt were normally used in battle fields and heavy crossbows are used in sieges and eve naval warfare. Just take a looks at medieval paintings and you'll see that those windlass crossbows are always depicted in siege paintings.
You are not that wrong... The 1600s was when firearms technology seen tremendous, almost light-speed improvements over their predecessors. Precision rifled barrels, smaller bores, patched projectiles providing much better gas seal and performance, and most importantly, mechanical firing mechanisms that did not have to use a pre-lit flame source like a rope match.
Yeah they were expensive and intricate and if something broke it took a specialist to fix and people who could fix wheellocks were a lot harder to find than people who could fix matchlocks
@@santiagocortez9554 I'd say that's a fair comparison, they were mostly used in the hunt I believe although obviously they would've been used in battle too but then you'd have to drag your Ferrari engineer with you on campaign and I'm pretty sire they never really took off in use in the new world
Excellent video. But if my memory serves me right, while talking about the "arquebus ", the weapon shown from around 1:34 is a type of snap-matchlock called the " tanegashima" which was made in feudal Japan. You can even see that the serpentine(the curved metal bar that is designed to hold the slow match) rests on a horizontal V-spring ready to "snap" the burning match on to the priming powder in the pan. The Portuguese introduced firearms into Japan during their expeditions in the early 1600s. The Japanese quickly adopted the new firearms and modified the design to suit their gunners. Expert metalworkers were abundant in Japan at the time and they managed to produce these in substantial numbers.
The "arquebus" employed a far simpler lock(if it can even be called that) and was used in Iberia in the late 15th to early 16th century.
It was distinct because it didn't have any spring and the serpentine and the bar(which continued to the underside of the buttstock and pulling which lowered the serpentine) was a continuous piece that acted as a lever which was pivoted on a pin on the outside of the stock.
I was pulling my hair out that they didn't catch that.
The thing that bugs me is that apparently matchlock "muskets" well into the 17th century seem to have nothing but this pivoting lever connected to, well, a trigger with a trigger guard instead of that simple bar, but still, no spring or anything. No real trigger action. Any thoughts on this?
Ever Faithful there is a return spring and a lever system on the internal side of the lock plate
its making this hard to watch
I hadn't heard about the difference in lock mechanisms before. That very interesting! However, the Portuguese introduced a type of arquebus thought to be from their Indian arsenals in Goa to Japan in 1543, not the 1600s. This is what the Tanegashima teppo/hinawaju were based on.
That "German" Accent fucked my brain real hard
I wish Total War added more matchlock musket wars
Darth Joystick total war: pike and shot would be cool. 16th and 17th century setting.
@@whiterosecicero4802 Agreed
Should be Spanish Empire vs Dutch Empire of the Dutch Uprising DLC
I agree. You get some of it with shogun 2 at least. I'm not too familiar with Japanese tactics at the time but I often use pretty much pike and shot armies with some archers mixed in and they work pretty well
There is a Empire TW mod 1600s for it. Also late period of Medieval 2 is actually early pike and shot period. You can field pikemen and matchlock wielded arqubusiers.
This part (2:23) doesn't show a Pikeman, but instead actually shows a Halberdier, a soldier during the Spanish Inquisition that was like pikeman, but welded a Halberd rather than a Pike, and were used as a secondary option in contrast to Pikeman for melee warfare, while Arquebusiers/Musketeers were used more for ranged combat.
at the moment I am building a wheellock cavalry pistol. Your video is a nice footage to that. Thanks a lot
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how's your project coming along?
@@phredphlintstone6455 It is finished take a look here:
ruclips.net/video/McJwePex5NA/видео.html
my highes respect for al gunmakers of that era!!!
Very cool... this is why I gotta get a shop !
I think all of us wheellock builders come here eventually
I find it hard to believe that a matchlock rifle loads faster than a x-bow. It depends on what type of x-bow, I think.
Its the same for portugal and Ming Dynasty china。The portugese were armed with arquebuses and muskets which were slow to load but had a long range and great accurcey。On the other hand，the Chinese soldiers were still mainly armed with ancinet weapons and hand cannons which were fast to load but had a short range and low accurcey。
This was great! On to Flintlocks next!
The pox, and other illnesses like it were not weapons, the damage that they did would have occurred regardless of the actions or intentions of the Europeans.
Then from wheellocks to(early flint designs)flintlocks and then from flintlocks to caplocks and then from caplocks to metallic cartridges
the most amazing 11 minutes of my day (so far). Good job!
The musket was not favored because of faster loading which is an oxymoron. Not saying either does take 5 mins to reload a musket at all. In fact about 1 min and a few secs so long you have your pattern down.
But crossbow were indeed a much faster arms to reload.
The musket was favored for it's fire Power and near single shot ability to kill.
Loved the video. Beautiful pieces displayed especially the wheellocks. An area that barely gets representation
The only thing I hate about these channels is I find them really late at night when my eyes can't stay open but I just want to finish the video lol.
German dude at the end of the 16th Century: Ah, yes. I get credit for the volley line.
Oda Nobunaga in mid-16th Century Nihon: Am I joke to you?
Oda Nobunaga (the First Great Unifier of Japan), who wholeheartedly adopted the use of firearms (after the introduction of Portuguese arquebuses, in the 1540's), famously used the volley line at the Battle of Nagashino, in 1575. (He had already developed the tactic earlier.) There, Oda employed three lines of 1000 arquebusiers, with 1000 firing their tanegashima (locally made (Japanese) guns), then falling back to reload, as the next two subsequent ranks fired. Also of note, the Takeda clan, the Oda and Tokugawa clans' opponents, believed the Oda tanegashima to be useless, due to wet weather soaking the powder and fuses. However, the Oda clan had boxes over the pan, which prevented the powder from getting wet. Needless to say, the Takeda clan lost... horribly.
The Japanese were especially adept at early firearms, in those days before the end of the Sengoku Jidai (period). The number of tanegashima produced was greater than all of the arquebuses of Europe combined. Some Japanese continued to produce tanegashima until the end of the Edo (Tokugawa) Jidai (the end of Shogunate Japan, 1865), as the gun replaced the yumi/yajiri (bow and arrow), or long pikes/swords, as the primary weapon of ashigaru (foot soldiers) and Samurai. (Yeah, the kitana was NOT the primary weapon of the Samurai, nor was it really ever.) Contrary to what fiction has one believe, the last days of the Samurai were dominated not by the Uchigitana (Kitana), but by the gun. The true events behind "The Last Samurai", during the Boshin War, near the beginning of the Meiji Restoration, had the Samurai fighting with their swords, only because they had run out of munitions, and decided on a suicidal charge.
Just a little credit where it's due. Oda Nobunaga was an absolute beast, and an interesting study, as is the whole of late Sengoku Jidai Nihon.
I noticed you used a tanegashima as an example
Love Joshua Graham's narration
The words of the French about gallent men being slain by the most cowered just brings me to new level 💔
The Spanish Tercios introduced the invention of the Arquebus mixing it with traditional spikemen. El gran Capitán ( Mr.Cordova) revolutionized battles with this new technology first in Europe and then in America for 150 years domintating the battlefield.
*spikeman*
@David Livingstone you cannot consider them as tercios at the point yet, plus they were less in numbers. In any case if you want to find a real massacre near those years, you have Pavía (1525) the day when the heavy cavalry ended up ruling the battlefield in favour to the spanish combined infantry.
@David Livingstone Leyva is not Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba, plus he died by illness not in battle. Pavia end up the reign of the french heavy cavalry, and all in all the war on Italy was won, is a fact not an opinion.
Trying to compare minor victories within a complete lost war and posterior humiliation on the battle field (Bicoca, San Quintín, Gravelinas... etc) show a lack of history knowledge or just avoiding accept who ruled. Sorry about that.
Just have a look on a map of those days, France was in France, Spain all over the world. And lucky to them the bast population they had as well as all thr other enemies to face, othewise would not even on the map.
2:25 why was that Spanish soldier wearing a British sword?
Captured perhaps.
"the late 16th and early 17th centuries were the glory days of the Caribbean pirates" No?? Do you have your centuries mixed up? Golden age of piracy was late 1600's and early 1700s = the late 17th century and early 18th century. Also pretty sure flintlocks were not invented in the "mid 16th century."
The wheel lock made a huge comeback in 1932... In the form of the Zippo and Ronson Original Windproof cigarette/cigar lighters.
Oof
Don't smoke
@@matiasandreupinanaradrigan7862 Not a smoker. I puff cigars from time to time. Zippos are awesome to carry. I have had mine for more than 15 years. Still mint condition even after continuous heavy use. It is as blue collar American as you can be, along with Harley Davidson motorcycles and the M1911 handgun.
Ok
The idea that spain weaponized diseases is F A R beyond the scope of this documentary. Entirely different conversation. Plagues were ripping through native populations before Europeans even arrived. Could have been from the south pacific. Very problematic
>even before the Europeans arrived
This is some new Eurocentric stuff that I'm too native to understand?
@@comradekenobi6908 how is that hard to understand?
@@kurakuhedo5198 the plagues arrived at the same time when the first Europeans arrived.
I thought that would be obvious
@@comradekenobi6908Use your thinking cap for a second. If one European fisherman met a tribe all the way in what's today known as Nova Scotia and you live all the down in the Mississippi region, when you catch plague from all your other indigenous neighbors, have you ever "met" any European? Have your neighbors even made contact with any European? Or was it rather that the plague jumped from tribe to tribe for hundreds of miles prior to any contact with Europeans?
One mistake: a common prejudice is to credit to the measles epidemy. for the success of the Spanish conquest. Measles affected equally (if not more because of their closer proximity) to the Spanish allies, namely the Tlaxcaltecas and other groups that formed a confederacy against their archrivals: the Aztecs. Anyway, in the fall of Tenochtitlan, the ratio of Spanish to Aztecs was several hundred Aztecs for every Spanish. The ratio ratio between the Aztecs and the Tlaxcaltecan confederacy was 1.2 to 1. This data is taken from recent lectures from professors of the UNAM, experts on their field, of course.
But wouldn't it have still created enough widespread social strife and upheaval that they were still facing a less cohesive enemy creating the opportunity to seize power in the midst of the chaos, whether the army is mostly native or not? Especially considering they had eliminated the previous ruler. Disease made it harder to adapt to what was already an abrupt political change.
Fortunately, the nose hadn't been invented before 1632, rendering the problem of the smell of the matchlock irrelevant. But with the inception and widespread popularity of Monsieur Snouts novel new technology, it became necessary to improve the nature of firearms ignition systems.
3:05 whence the impersonator is suspicious
(among us)
What's the name of the guy doing the voiceover? I've heard his voice at Jamestown
😂 3:05 😂sus😂
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Match lock, flint lock, roll lock!
I wish theres a game like this
Try mount and blade sowrd and fire awesome game
I'd like to learn more about late 15th and early 16th century European guns, does any one know where I should look for sources?
the background music is mars
Dear friends, I have an old japanese teppo, 130 cm long, 12.5 mm bore, Hormady .480 round balls with patch, 2.8 grams of Swiss black powder No. 3, but when I shoot, I guarantee you, I'm always afraid. Black powder and fuse they do not get along ...and use glasses to protect yourself. Saluti dal Tiro a Segno Nazionale di Milano, ciao.
Faster rate of fire than a crossbow? What kind? If we're talking about heavy crossbows that's mainly for sieging and castle defense, then sure. If perhaps we're talking about the french mounted crossbowmen (cranequinier) that uses a cranequin to span their crossbows, then sure. But if we're talking about field crossbowmen that uses a spanning belt or a goat's foot lever to span the crossbow, then that's a big no. These field deployed crossbowmen were more common than mounted the mounted ones or the one intended for siege/castle defense.
Yeah,
The ones loaded by a spanning belt or goat's foot lever had a lot less power though, I think he's talking about the windlass powered ones which in pretty sure were also used on the battlefield and took about as long to reload as a matchlock but the gun had the power advantage
@@thebelgianbeast9949 Well yeah, hence why they are mainly used on the field, because of their quicker reloads and lighter weight compared to heavy crossbows. Yet they were still extremely effective, to the point that the pope wanted to have them banned because they were too efficient at killing.
I never said that windlass crossbows weren't used on the field, I said that they were mainly used on sieges and on defense but I never excluded them. It just stands that the crossbows that are spanned by a goat's foot lever or a spanning belt were normally used in battle fields and heavy crossbows are used in sieges and eve naval warfare. Just take a looks at medieval paintings and you'll see that those windlass crossbows are always depicted in siege paintings.
@@rooky3526 no, good point, I misinterpreted your comment I'm afraid
@@thebelgianbeast9949 It's all good, buddy. Cheers.
"Argh!" 🏴☠️
9:16
This is what you like
They forgot the cocklock rifle.
Some how it got censored in the subtitles
There’s all sorts of wrong things here.
Formation
Am I the only one suffering from the Mandela effect? I thought guns were made in the 1600s
You are not that wrong... The 1600s was when firearms technology seen tremendous, almost light-speed improvements over their predecessors. Precision rifled barrels, smaller bores, patched projectiles providing much better gas seal and performance, and most importantly, mechanical firing mechanisms that did not have to use a pre-lit flame source like a rope match.
Idk why the wheel locks never took off
They were probably incredibly costly to produce due to its complexity compared to other alternatives.
Wheel locks did take off. In 1932, with the Zippo lighter.
Yeah they were expensive and intricate and if something broke it took a specialist to fix and people who could fix wheellocks were a lot harder to find than people who could fix matchlocks
@@thebelgianbeast9949 oh so they were kinda like owning a Ferrari, not everyone can fix it when it breaks down coz it's expensive as heck
@@santiagocortez9554 I'd say that's a fair comparison, they were mostly used in the hunt I believe although obviously they would've been used in battle too but then you'd have to drag your Ferrari engineer with you on campaign and I'm pretty sire they never really took off in use in the new world
Handcanon
How about Malacca bro?All in this videos is scammers not true facts.😂