It's actually non negotiable because 95% of Rhythm fans are not new to K-pop industry, it makes sense that we had already a standard and Rhythm was the only Team that qualify for that.
From the beginning, this show was set-up as a League based survival show. If you're not an athelete, you will never get it you will always think it's unfair. The contestants knew that from the first place. That's why during the draft, even the contestants in each team were persuading JL to join them because they knew he can carry the whole team as MVP.
@@liezltan1887 there's also a segment where JL said he dreamt about him performing a wayv music before going to south korea. It's also one of the factor why he choose ten amd yang-yang's team.
well another thing is the Philippines comes through and rightfully so, they always show through with their talent elisia, sophia, genres, and JL but its an obvious why they'd win
Well, I wouldn't blame you with all of your perspectives about the show, especially with how JL was showcased in the whole show. I get it, and I also thought it was kind of unfair. BUT...with how I view the teams, I knew, and definitely, the producers knew that wherever JL is, that team will gonna win. JL was the only CERTAIN ALL-ROUNDER in the bunch (I would say Park Han also, but he has yet to show other talent aside from dancing and singing great). The producers probably had PTSD with how massive Elisia and Gehlee votings got in UT, so they knew JL is secured in the debut line-up. But, I kinda also blame the mentors (or directors as the participants called them), as they picked their team members according to their taste and not the audience which they knew had the power who's gonna in the show. TEAM BEAT - did not consist of any strong vocalist(s) which Koreans liked a lot. CHA WOONGKI, despite being the most stable vocal in the group, isn't much a great or even a good vocalist tbh. I would consider him a stable yet very weak vocalist. I would say, good point with KAIRI. He's a PACKAGE ready for debut, really. The face and body cards and great dancer *chef's kiss*. I know, I know TEAM BEAT have great dancers and singers, but they got eliminated so fast because of the Korean live audience who voted participants with great faces 🙄. I almost lost my eyeballs from too much eye rolling because of that. TEAM GROOVE - I can't remember if it was TEN who said this, but TEAM GROOVE was definitely not an IDOL GROUP. They are only just a bunch of good vocalists. They kinda looked like the Korean groups from the early 1990s, where vocals were exceptional and highlighted very well in the group rather than dancing. CHANGSUB only highlighted the good vocals the group had and not the other skillsets they have. If not only I noticed how good Park Han is in dancing, I will probably just think about his vocals throughout the show, really. And also KENTA deserved better than this! TEAM RHYTHM - TEN and YANGYANG have this team good. The whole group is diverse! The every skill of each member was HIGHLIGHTED. It almost blinds my eyes. We knew who the vocalists in the group were (JL, ZEN ZEN, who later joined the team, LI ZHINUO was appreciated a LOT, SIRIN). We knew who were in charge of the RAP in the group (STEVEN, JU WON, DAISUKE). The stage presence master and sexiness laoshu (DIVA SHUAIBO). CHIH EN is the center or the visual of the group. TEN and YANGYANG really did use the SMTown strat with this team, and it WORKED A LOT.
It's a difference of opinion. Everyone has different evaluations. I respect your opinion. But I don't think the answer is right. The evaluation of the team or the participants is more so. This is your subjective opinion. I may or may not agree with you. There is no right answer. I like all three teams. I like the AHOP members who debuted. I like the rhythm team, too. But not all the performances of the rhythm team were the best. There were times when other teams did better. Participants in all teams were talented. The evaluation may be different. People's tastes are different, too. They are free to think, but I hope they don't underestimate the value of other teams or participants.
@@kamatis1190its because park han used nasal voice that is why its easy to destroy like if he will get cough he cannot sing well like over use, unlike JL from the diaphragm and he knows how to used his voice
@@lexxphaka123 i think they had a silent aggreement not to take the 1st placer in the group.. jl was not in 1st place only once.. that time changsub took heejun ang hanseo because he need someone with the rapping part and strong vibe something like that
Never a fan of survival shows, actually this is the first time i watch one. I can say that the talent here are at a high level. Global audience like me watches the show observing the talent and not just because of their nationality or race. Love that this group is so diverse and talented. Lets support AHOF whatever endeavors they all have specially as a group or individually.
How could you say that the talents here were at a high level when you never saw and watch any other survival show? do you even know the standard skill level of other survival shows to say they're at the HIGH level...
@@Blackpink1111-j4t are you sure about that ?, than you must be super talented than to say those words, i love you see your talent on survival show, when you got one please mention me than, i Will pleasure to see you there
I saw El Capitan’s comment as sour graping. While it is personal yes but they didn’t have much luck from the Pick segmet. They were lucky with Wongki and Chih En because nobody chose them but Ten this early on manifested that he had Chih in his radar which Ten took in first elimination. Team have been careless with their choices, they picked 2 trainees that didn’t have the skills. No matter how good your songs are, it’s not going to win a team. Plus, Woongki did and could carry his team because his fans are only voting for him while JL on the other hand carried his team from day 1. The fans are already crazy about Team Rhythm WHY? Because Ten and Yangyang carefully picked their Trainees. You just can’t afford to make a mistake and one thing, TR peaked at the right time. You know in Beauty Contest saying: Know when to peak at the right time. Ep 8 was the Deciding factor. They got Juwon back and gained Seo Jongwoo who according to some vloggers who witness the show he has the face value (looked like a star in person) aside from Chih En. After this I became a fan of Ten and Yangyang and I’m not even a fan of KPOP hater even. Sorry I was an ignorant expectation before and now Im leaning the ropes. I love the SM units spc Tan and Yangyang’s units and of course AHOF will always be my baby!. Ten and Yangyang played their cards well and smart too!
I honestly don't know why team beat choosed chih En and then team rhythm, there were trainees who were more talented but got eliminated and if your answer is that because he is handsome, in my opinion all the trainees were handsome not even one had a bad face.
for me Team Rhythm really shines through. The choreo are so precise, very intricate moves and they are very synchronize vocals are stable and stage presence and facial expression love it, i was only a little bit worried about chih en's facial expression but he got improve❤ and they improved in every stages. Mentors/Directors TEN and YANGYANG are very good mentors all the more in giving advices they do not say that ("i hate those trainees who will ruined my songs") if trainess do not do well but instead they are a bit disappointed but keep on practicing more, help each other if you see your team mate struggle help them, try this, record yourself singing to see how you did and if there are flaws improve them ask for help😍😍🤩 Team Groove- at first i was really amazed by their vocals changsub really know how to pick his trainess but as the shows proceeds it kinda felt like Boring. coz we already know Their Vocals are sooo good so i was looking for something new and they lack of something. i confrim it at the intercept stage, the lack of stage presence thats why i was drawn towards TEAM RHYTHM'S Bench Prison rather than TEAM GROOVE'S Prison. the abs showing hmmm its really just to attract a little attention but if you have stage presence you dont need to show those.and everytime you hear the song you only remember the body they shown but not the song or the message of the songs you want your fans to felt and receive.😢 TEAM BEAT hmmm in drafting they already make a mistake when they choose jihun by mistake. the Mentors/Directors i am ok with Yougeum but ELCapitan 😐 i was ok with him but 😔😔 his recent comment leaved a sore spot. if you know the unfair system why didnt you tell the crew why after all that happened they already announce the winner the show already ended, you start to talk like that?😮💨😑😐😓 You Look like a Sore Loser. Woongki Really carried his Team from the start thank god Kairi who was really good was also there to help him but so sad First Impression of Team Beat to the Global Audience is Low. i think woongki's fandom really did well in helping woongki. ❤❤❤❤❤❤ OVERALL LOVE THEM ALL THIS IS THE FIRST SURVIVAL SHOW I HAVE SO MANY TRAINEES I WANT TO DEBUT. ❤❤❤MISSING THEM ALREADY❤❤❤
@@Westerneve i think he meant that chih en has a charm and charisma that most people didn't have. Many people are beautiful but they don't have it. you can encounter a people who is not good looking but has it. Hyeyeon from snsd said she like beautiful people with charisma because even though she is beautiful she doesn't have it.
@@jessamariesazon7631 I agree. I mean I can understand the sour graping but i have rewatched the show multiple times and it was abvious from first episode that they are loosing the best player during the pick. So admit it or not they are kind off on the down part to begin with. And in regards to song choice, isn't it the director who is picking the songs for them? I have watched how the 3 team practice. Team rhythm focus on all major aspects, team groove focuses on how are they going to showcase their singing prowess and hide the what they call weak part. So both team have strategy to make their performance stand out
I don't think we should turn a blind eye to the fact there was a clear winner from the beginning unless you truly haven't watched survival shows like UT and DREAM ACADEMY before. It was obvious to many that Rhythm would win in the end because of JL. I'm not saying he isn't talented but, the Philippines comes through when it comes to other Philippians like Gehlee Dangca, Elisia Parmisano, Sophia from Katseye. it was obvious if JL hadn't been on the show, rhythm wouldn't win because groove members votes are overall more than rhythms without the addition of JL who had a 3-2 million gap (?) to the rest of the team
What El Capitano said is a personal opinion but at the same time, it made him look bitter about the results. to begin with, the voting is already unfair-- I mean we all can agree how bad the live voting was where they only focused on voting Groove team because they're mostly Koreans and because JeongWoo is the main market there. Yes, lol he may not have the trainee experience but his visual is his main value there. aside from that Team Beat coach mentioned it themselves that JL is a big loss to them in fact JL is the main threat to the other team. It's just Ten and Yangyang know how to play the game. so not just they took Juwon back because obviously, they're not called Avengers team for no reason right? they also took Jeongwoo in a way that the Groove team wouldn't dominate the voting. but unexpectedly JL is too strong ending with 3M votes. although Jeongwoo still managed to climb to the top 7 it still means he's impactful and valued.
@@dewiadindasari1429we respect them that's why we only vote aggressively...it was the audience and Koreans specifically who cried to us first calling us bias when we just vent out frustration on that prism song...101 honestly??? We came to realization that audience are bias
Voting online was fair.if you can see almost team rhythm 2nd place in onsite vote and in onsite vote always JL very low votes even though his perform perfectly.it means onsite vote have favoritism from the start.only team rhytm high vote in online votes from global.
@@mitchellmitch9444you can't judge like that , you don't know that watching live performance and from streaming is different, so we can't judge other's opinion
voting was 70% Korean (KTOPSTAR - Korea IP is required) 30% - global (SBS site/HIGHER), then they implement 50% onsite, 50% online votes, where approx 90% are Korean live audience. UL really tried their best in balancing votes against JL's voting support. during the airing, ive seen people campaigning for block votes, especially for Rhythm - so in the finale they changed the voting from selecting 7 members - to just 1 group then 1 member only. this way the PDs were able to measure each individual support more accurately. also, sexy and sultry is just a dance concept - you dont necessarily sexualize the person while watching them. regardless of age, it is creepy if you do. yall gotta stop emphasizing this cause you're the only one bringing attention to it as a taboo, when all other normal people just see it as a person dancing. stop sensationalizing it.
Thank you! On the last part. Because when did TR concept insinuate 'sexy concept' or talk about s-e-x??? Their whole theme was power through-ing challenges, ambition and determination to get to their goals. And the 'Give Me That' part was to represent the mentors song, that was not the PD's material, so I don't think the company will go for sexy concept for their debut, not with minors in the group. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and jump to conclusion, their imagination is flying too far. If they did did that concept, THEN complain.
The block voting came about when TRB did Prison so well even TG main felt threatened w performance, it seemed as if it was robbed of votes onsite. It angered alot of online fans hence the rally
I'm always confused how Westerners especially Americans love to call out minors in a Kpop group saying things like they should wait till they turn 20 or like they shouldnt debut in this group because it will hinder the concept when their preteen population be having sex at the tender age of 12 and doing drugs at age 15+ 🫠
@@OrangeN00dlethe real question is, who showed their abs??? Chi en lift his clothes but no abs was shown...the only muscle we see is Stevens arms...it was beat and groove who showed their abs... Are they telling us we're blind
Team voting was a thing. R keeping most of the star members the same gave even more advantage. Also the good group decisition do delivery good stage presence / acting .dosent look to be the mentors direction, because bench team didnt do it as much. Groove star members was always shifting due the ranking. And the behind the scene focus more on changsub then the members, to help out people to get to know them better and do more consistent voting. Yeah the system is flawed but I also like it because after the drama arc , most star members where portraited in a very humane light in contrast with most survivals. Lets hope that the others trainees may find their path to shine.
Too bad for the other Teams, it just so happens that PH are Monster Voter... TR accumulated a lot of votes because of JL's fandom but also because of strategy... They make a lot of collaborations when it comes to voting, special mention A'tins of Sb19... Whatever... I love how it ended, i got JL, Steven, Juwon, Zhang Shuaibo and Park Han!😊❤
To say it's unfair is a disservice to every player in that show. Some players are just too good, and that's the reality of it. Yes, some people got so many votes that it looked like a popularity contest but those people are also really talented so they deserved those votes too.
Yes without the mentor take note only them that is its always JL helping them in vocals and choreo with juwon, when juwon was traded we saw JL was so pressure because he is doing everything
They tried to get park han, JL and juwon during the draft but sadly they were not chosen by these contestants. It's not the strategy, it's the bad luck.
El Capitan's statement, while framed as his personal opinion, came across as bitter rather than an objective critique. Given that he was fully aware of the competition's mechanics from the start-unless, of course, the show failed to disclose them to the mentors-his reaction seems less about fairness and more about frustration over the outcome. As a mentor, he was expected to understand that the voting system ultimately determines the winner, and any dissatisfaction with the process should have been addressed constructively rather than emotionally. Moreover, as a mentor and, by extension, a role model for the trainees, he had a responsibility to demonstrate sportsmanship and professionalism. Accepting defeat graciously is a key lesson in any competitive environment, especially one that involves public voting. Instead of expressing resentment, he could have used the moment to teach his trainees about perseverance, resilience, and the importance of rallying supporters effectively. His reaction, whether intentional or not, set a questionable example, as it implied that losing was due to external factors rather than a result of the competition's structure and the engagement of the voters. Common knowledge that in survival reality shows where the winner is determined by voting, the outcome reflects the collective effort of supporters rather than just the popularity of the contestants. If a contestant or team loses despite having strong backing, it indicates that their supporters did not vote in sufficient numbers to secure victory. This means that the responsibility for the loss lies more with the lack of voting effort from the losing side rather than any fault of the winning team.
El Capitan was implying about the system not the voting. The fact that yhe Losing team every round gets weaker since strong players are always taken away from them. Meaning they really have No chance at winning knowing how it's a voting show. He didn't intend to discredit the winning team.
@@lloydkennethsy1823 gurl, El Capitan didn't said anything bad about the other team... He was criticizing the format where it's impossible to win especially with the trade system where the losers keep losing because they can't steal any trainees and keep losing good ones.
The subject of 'Unfairness' is actually subjective to the people involved, with the consideration of the set rules of the show. 1. Prior to the start of the competition, the rules are already laid out to the contestants, mentors, and everyone involved. Meaning the mechanics are (we assume) already made clear to everyone. 2. KPOP Survival Shows oftentimes utilize Online Voting systems as since the expectation is to debut idols, a contestant's popularity also has to be measured. This equates to a contestant's bankability to fans and end-consumers (which means more earnings for the company as popularity = consumer response). 3. Mentor strategy also is in place here. It's not enough to just pick good/decent contestants but also, they should've strategized how they will market these would-be idols, what songs would fit the idols they have chosen, and how to re-evaluate their strategy based on the first performances. A great example here is Park Han's audition with Siren. Park Han can surely sing and dance (we can arguably say he is also an all-rounder) but since he wanted to be with Groove (and Changsub also picking Park Han), Changsub's strategy moreso focused on vocal stability (which was loved by on-site viewers/voters). This should have been evaluated by Beat (or even Rhythm) to identify which factors affected the on-site voting. We cannot say Beat is unlucky in picking contestants - it's more on how you will develop these contestants to step their games up and to level with other competitors. We should not discredit the capabilities of the contestants and call it 'unlucky pick'. That's just disrespectful to the contestants' hard work Unfair, maybe. But that is subjective. All worked hard to debut. That's it.
Whatever!! Its the best survival show ever. All the contestants who didn't debut were getting recognition bec of the show. They're all talented and thankful for the show. Thankfully the show didn't drag too long so the other contestants can start a new path.❤
now there you go he wanted Kairi to debut... this says the whole of this video. from the first episode-- Rhythm is a force to reckon with. BEAT was right-- they're doomed not having JL in their team.. and it happened. the producer was just a lil salty for sure. bt cmon Beat didn't have a strong team TBH.
We all know from the start beat will.never win its only rhythm or groove.. plus they may have dancers but still rhythm are much better dancers.. remember jinho and kairi and yuito are big fan of JL like hello
Kairi chih en jiang fan jinho hanseo woongki are the only prepared member of team beat from the 1st ep.. minus jiang fan chih en and hanseo... was their complete doom..
Universe league, the concept came from sports league and as you can see in a typical sports league "you fight as a team and you win as a team" . Then the two added members are the MVP of each of the losing team which is again a concept came from a sport league. Lots of people are saying that team rhythm wins because of JL's popularity. Well that is partly true but...don't forget that it is a league battle, they won every battle because of their hardwork and teamwork. Each members effort, skills and talent contributed to their win in each battles and eventually lead the whole team to debut. I also read from other comments that groove team won almost all of the battles. Again thats true but again.... If you watch the show, rhythm team MAIN PLAYERS has been winning all the battles from the very beginning: (its just that the rhythm BENCH PLAYERS has been loosing their battles that is why the whole rhythm team suffers). 1_rhytm main vs groove main~rhythm main wins onsitevotes. 2_rhythm main vs beat bench~rhythm main wins onsite votes. 3_rhythm main vs other team~ rhythm main wins overall votes. 4_final rhythm mainteam wins PLUS, all rhythm main players are first pick of the mentors. They're literally the AVENGERS team and deserves to debut as a team.
Wow, that's true tho. The 5 main players didn't change since the beginning. One of them, Sirin. Made it to the finals. Now, I see why rhythm really won. But, my heart is still heartbroken bcos a lot of my faves are in Groove.
so but that's his own opinion..we can clearly see the rhythm performances are more stand.out especially the main 7 of team rhythm..from vocals, rapping and dancing..total performances they always server in every stages..I'm not NCTZen but I stand BtoB first before I became NCTZen. this based on the performances the beat good performance the missing is the wow factor the the groove and the rhythm did have.
Bro literally forgot that Rhythm Team only got 1st place on Round 3 🤪 it was always the Groove Team winning. How tf do we know who would win in the end? Even the division of scores to win wasn't announced beforehand. RT's fans just block voted the heck out of it after the Bench RT got that 101 score. Why do people always say that the winners are predictable lmao
@@liezltan1887 they just wouldn't admit that JL is THAT good, and instead blame it on his popularity and hype as to why people voted for him. There are many all rounders in UL - Joohyung, Park Han, Kyungho, etc. but only JL got that star quality, stage presence, and excellent facial expressions. He was also the only one relaxed onstage out of all the contestants who already debuted. The uploader is talking out of his a$$ when he said the winners were predictable. LIKE No Sir, the Groove Team was always winning and they get their team stronger in every round thru 2 trades. RT only won at the last league match!!! The matrix of scores wasn't announced until the day they release the results lmaoooo
@@jermainerodgers no wonder PD decided to have 100% online scores at the end cause if they based off of onsite votes even Park Han wouldn't be able to debut. That 101 score was diabolical. Kenta also got the highest score in GT on that performance. If PD relied on onsite votes the group would be full of visuals without a core fandom. Casual onsite voters won't vote and stream for the group religiously, but a core fandom can. They saw it on Unis when a small fandom of a rookie group was able to win every voting tasks they were assigned of, they even got the girls to win MAMA awards, TMA, and Korean brand awards. Which is very unlikely for a rookie group of less than a year into their debut.
I knew from the episode 1 that Team Beat will be doomed when they said that they are looking for star quality because singing and dancing can be taught knowing that they only have a week or two to train and perform the song. Especially when they choose Jihun to be their starting line-up. I mean Yugyeom choose different trainee in Love shot draft and said that he's not that bad at singing but El Capitan disagreed and said just because he lacks star quality. DO NOT SAY THAT IT WAS UNFAIR WHEN TEAM RHYTHM WHO ALWAYS REGARDS AS AVENGERS BY OTHER TEAMS ALWAYS LOSES BECAUSE OF THE ONSITE VOTINGS. THEY DO THEIR PART AND AS A ONLINE VOTERS WE ALSO DO OUR PART TO LET OUR BIAS WIN. If you really want your favorite trainee to debut, you should have also spend money on them.
The evaluation method of the Universe League is problematic. Both on-site and online voting were popular votes. If you evaluate the stage alone, all 3 teams have their best performances. There are also performances that are not good enough. I liked all three teams. But the fans of the team don't like it. In particular, fans of the rhythm team and the groove team always underestimate the value of other teams. The participants of all teams were talented. Just not your taste. The fans of the team are not professionals. They are all subjective opinions. Stop saying things that antagonize each other. None of them should be blamed. I hope the members and participants who debuted will not be hurt. Also, I hope that Elcapitan will not be blamed. He pointed out the problem of the stage evaluation method on the Universe League broadcast. This is because the evaluation and ranking of the actual stage do not match. Elcapitan would have seen the stage more accurately because he is a professional. The beat team always performed well. But it was always No. 3. Viewers who watched the broadcast knew the problem as well. Elcapitan praised the beat team for always doing their best on stage, even though they knew the team would not win. I don't understand why he is criticized. He pointed out the problem of the stage evaluation method. It is not directed at the rhythm team. However, fans of many rhythm teams are criticizing Elcapitan. I think some fans are misunderstanding. Don't leave me a comment. I won't answer. I'm tired of the bickering of the fans.
I knew it from the start of Intercept that EL Capitxn would be so biased about his team. Like he makes emotional connection to them. When he uses his mic and say "that's my boy"(I'm not sure if that what he says) when woongki got 1st place on votes that when i knew that even if he knew how the system of UL works and even if groove or rhythm wins he would still gonna be sound bitter. Even if beat team wins, the other directors wouldn't' say anything like what he did. The other Directors wanna stay neutral even they also made an emotional connection with their teams. And i wanna praise Changsub for that actually as we can see how he really takes care of his team.
There's a couple of problems with UL: the mechanics of the show didn't allow for the bottom team to recover, and the stan culture. By episode 4, viewers were pretty much locked in on who they wanted to support. These fans are not looking to be convinced - they're going to vote for their faves even when, objectively, another trainee may have performed better. Then you have the mechanics that really only relied on a biased voting pool to determine winners in every round. Like I said, most of the viewers are going to vote for who they want to vote for, regardless of how bad or how well the trainees did. Agreed that judges should have been given more power, but as mentors to the groups, it doesn't lend a lot of credibility to their picks. Therefore, they should have had guest judges who are independent of the mentors, to judge the performances and give them 50% of the voting share - the fan votes making up the other 50%. I don't think there was anything in the mechanics that allowed the bottom rank team to advance other than fan votes, which like I said, are pretty much locked in by the 4th episode. So, Beat, who only had one popular member, was not given a chance to recover. Rhythm, on the other hand, had multiple popular trainees. While JL had the monster share of the votes, the other members pulled enough votes that, even without JL's 3M points, they only had a 30k point difference against Groove. That's with a 6 member line-up instead of 7. As round 3's winning team, their 7th member was most likely going to be someone higher on the ranks who could easily bridge the 30k point difference, and Rhythm still walks home with the trophy.
This is the best survival show ive watched so far.... every participant had the chance to showcase their talent.... Team RHYTHM is the best standard of this show bcoz they are all talented and all rounder group..
Who is kyrie btw? Just move on broh The team who won is deserving. Its not their fault they have more votes than the others. And each remaining team had chance to be one who will debut. And thats it.
Here we go again. HAHAHAHA Tbh, I don't really get the hate about the system being focus on team debut. Before the show aired, the mechanics of the game was TEAM DEBUT so that the show called UNIVERSE LEAGUE, a LEAGUE. Why do we only get the hate of the system now? Is it because the popular group was the winner? When the Team Groove always win in the past episodes, no complain spotted about the system, only the onsite votes arguments but I will not talk about that. Yes, as El Capitan said, they knew the system was structured in a way they couldn't win because they coudn't expect that the popular ones among the contestants were in the Rhythm team. But, if the Groove wins, he will still be able to say that? Now, I'm thinking. 😂 No issue about the system on pre-release but because the results are not in favor in your picks, you call the system a trash. Dang! Nice! 😂 For me, the only problem here was a delay in online voting. We don't really saw the performance reel-time, only the onsite voters. So, we're just basing our votes to the team of our faves. It's just not make sense and a messy one. Another thing is the trading, because of the unspoken rule to not trade the aces or the talented ones, we don't really get a team that purely consist of a talented people. (I'm not hating on the currently debut team. I loved them all.) I know you know what I meant. Team Rhythm - for me, consist of a balance global trainees. Though, Steven is pure Korean but the nationality is Australian. I still included him as Korean but Koreans included him as foreigner HAHAHAHA what a mindset 😂 Anw, only JL, Steven and Juwon who stand out to me. Other members are all mediocre. However, they are all marketable globally, that's their huge asset. Team Groove - only Kenta is the foreigner and the rest are Koreans. How can you call that a global boy group? But skill wise, they have the upper hand among the other groups. Singing, dancing, rapping? Name it! But yeah, the problem is they only consist of Koreans and that's not really marketable globally. Team Beat - they also have a balance line up of Korean and foreign members. They're talented but they not really shined on the show. Maybe because the show rarely giving them spotlight to showcase their talents and personality. We only saw their potential on the latter part which is not good because the fandoms are already established. They are really lagging in terms of popularity except to Woongki which is a sad reality. 😢 Overall, there's a shortcoming here and there but I'm still satisfied with the result. The debut team are not all my picks but I still accept it because I have sportsmanship. ✌️😂 Yeah, that's my takeaway.
Yeah, not being biased to Rhythm. If I were to look at the 3 groups. Rhythm still really shines the most on talent. I mean, if I was to add anyone, I think Kenta and Kairi would be a great add on.
I totally agree with you like the ratio of online votes and on-site votes should be smaller and they should've prioritize judge pick like 70/15/15 or what ever.
The broadcast is over, and there are no more teams. The members who debuted are not rhythm teams, but AHOPs. Park Han and Cha Woong-ki are members of AHOP. Don't reject them. Don't leave bad words behind, even if they or their voices are not your taste. The team's directors are professionals. Park Han and Cha Woong-ki were the team's main vocalists because they were recognized by experts. The viewers liked their voices, too. If you didn't like their voices, it's not your taste. It's not that they lack abilities. Don't leave bad words that you are not your favorite members. All nine members deserve to debut. Don't write down articles that lower the value of other teams and participants. I liked all three teams. This is because all the teams had different charms. Write down my personal opinions. You don't have to agree with me. I am Korean and let you know that my job is in the art industry. My opinion is one of the evaluations from the perspective of Koreans in Kpop. I will tell you why Park Han and Cha Woong-ki's vocals are well-received in Korea. The answer is not correct. If you want to know my opinion, please read Five additional comments. Don't leave me a comment. I won't answer. The criteria for evaluation should be "Kpop," not personal judgment.
You are well aware of the merits of the rhythm team. So I won't mention it. Some members lack skills, but they believe in their potential to improve because they have talent. Rhythm team members are eligible to debut. Some Koreans oppose their debut. Not all Koreans are on the same page with them. Also, some Koreans say Park Han and Cha Woong-ki should be excluded from the team. They are mostly fans of the groove team. Fans of Park Han and Cha are excited about their debut together. And fans of the two like the rhythm team members together. Don't get me wrong.
The groove team was able to perform various stages, but had similar stages. The members of the team had the ability to perform various stages. Since there were many good dancers, the stage centered on always vocals was disappointing. Since it is a choice that reflects the director's taste, it should be viewed as a characteristic of the groove team. Park Han sings well, but he also dances well. You can see it by watching the stages of 'we ready' and 'Siren'.
The beat team always performed well, but everyone knows that it was underrated. It was the best choice for the beat team to perform centered on Cha Woong-ki and Kyrie. The beat team showed a big difference in the skill in the beginning. You can see it from the practice video. Cha Woong-ki and Kyrie were good from the beginning. The two of them were the center, main vocal, and main dancer together. Geum Jin-ho was unstable about the dance and singing in the beginning. The beat team kept losing talented participants. It would have been different if the beat team hadn't lost them. It's not that the beat team didn't make various use of the participants. They made the best choice because of the difference in skills of the participants. If you saw the whole process, you can understand the director's decision. The beat team saw the most improvement in skills among the three teams. Because the beat team members' skills grew as a whole, the other team members' singing parts also increased. Maybe you didn't know that there was a difference in the beat team's skills. Cha Woong-ki and Kyrie were always good. There were just songs that fit each of them more. The two were always the center, main vocal, and main dancer of the beat team. The beat team performed various concepts. Cha Woong-ki and Kyrie did well in all concepts. I can understand that the beat team director trusts the two.
On the last stage, the theme of the song was to wrap up the Beat Team's journey. Sirin and Jenjen are good vocals, but this is why they have few singing parts. The Beat Team already has the mood of the Beat Team's songs, which are maked by Cha Woong-ki, Kyrie, and Geum Jin-ho. The director did not change the vocal combination to maintain the mood of the Beat Team's songs. So, I understand the choice of the Beat Team director.
Cha Woong-ki is a vocalist who can use two voices. You can see that the voices are different on the stages of "On and On" and "Mamma Mia." Cha Woong-ki can use a strong and firm voice and a soft falsetto voice. Not many people can sing both stably. He was also able to sing strong high-pitched parts in "Dreaming." His falsetto voice can be found in the drama OST he sang. Cha Woong-ki is a vocal with great potential because of his high utilization of vocals. This is why El Capitan always gave him the main vocal part. In addition, Cha Woong-ki's voice in K-pop is personality and charm. He previously debuted at the top of the expert evaluation. According to expert evaluation, Cha Woong-ki's voice becomes the killing part in itself. It means that you can create an attractive part with just his voice in a song. It is called "timbre." K-pop prefers the combination of various voices. And in Korea, Park Han and Cha Woong-ki prefer the high-pitched way. It has nothing to do with gender. Watch Baby Monster Ahyeon's performance. In K-pop, they appreciate a stronger and stronger voice than a falsetto voice. I recommend his falsetto songs. Love for Love's Sake OST "Follow the Wind". It is the OST of his work as an actor. He sang the theme song. In Korean, it is '연애지상주의구역 OST 바람따라'.
I feel like almost all Universe League trainees are darn skilled. Since they're equally talented, the selection criteria focus more on popularity. Like any other company, they naturally invest in those with the best market potential. In the end, the final lineup isn't just talented but also widely popular. Isn't that great? P.S. I guess El Capitxn didn’t get the trainees he wanted. He probably felt it was unfair that he produced the best music on the show yet got nothing in return. Hopefully, he’s earning well from the royalties, so he’s not too sulky anymore!
Perfection and fairness in the world sometimes do not exist and UL is not an exemption to that. And I agree with you to some of your points. I'm actually never a KPOP supporter nor a survival show viewer and this is literally my first time to watch an SVS but I loved it though there were things that I don't like but I guess there are more things that I like about the show - I guess we all agree that there are many talented contestants and we get to connect with them while we watch how lovely their personalities and them having fun on the show, making friends and creating good memories and for sure they know and might feel that most of them will not debut and somehow have hints on how the show will be as it is evident that there are PDs picks and some would really won't win just like what el capitan said for some reasons that they are also aware of - one must be an outstanding talent and SUPER popular. Afterall, the show is a popularity contest and about fans, though I believe that most of the contestants who received most votes are popular because they are also talented or they are famous for their personalities that people can relate to and admired. I guess the contestants who still persevered until the very end though they knew that they will not debut are good sports and know that they still could get a lot of things from the show like gaining friends, experiences performing on the stage, meeting their idols and most importantly gaining a lot of followers just like cha woongki had gained from his previous 2 SVS. If ever there are things that I would like to change in this show it would be : Kyungho - woongki narrative - it's so cringe and unnecessary and I really hate how Kyungho was portrayed as evil - they should not have added this drama There should be judges to evaluate each performances - I know people are really subjective with how to view each perf so it's best that there should be professional guidance or technical insights though we have mentors feedback but that is not enough. Though I think a lot of ent. companies have been debuting groups that have minors, I prefer that they would only open the audition for contestants who are 18 and above only because of a lot of reasons - they are growing humans who should not be in labor force, we know how hard it is to work in entertainment industry, esp. that they are a global group that will be travelling to different countries and may experience a lot of hardships and possibly mental breakdown - I just really want to protect the kids. Also, I don't want them to sing wild and sexy concepts that are not appropriate to their age. But I have to admit also that the shows minors/maknae - Daisuke, Anyul and Zenzen are better than some of the contestants that are older than them. They are professionals and hardworking kids. I love them so please protect them. I would like it if the songs concepts for each challenges are given by the PDs to highlight the individual talents and to show who portrayed/performed best for each concept like for ex. 1st stage would be cutesy, 2nd would highlight vocals, could be ballads, 3rd would be rap or dance heavy, fierce and lot more concept to push them to their limits and not play safe - this way we would really know the full potentials of the contestants.. something like this - because honestly only few members' talents have been highlighted. And some people are confused whether to judge the stages based on the songs or the performance itself and it's really not balanced and fair. Lastly, this may sound absurd but we have to admit that there's issue in voting because of the race of each contestants.. I just thought, what if the directors where given rules to form their group that would consist of half korean and half foreigners because believe it or not knetz may have foreign favorites but most of them will root for their fellow koreans and same thing with the international fans. So mentors better pick the most popular and talented ones with this kind of combination for their team to shine and win. Overall, whether I think UL is not a good show or not. I'm totally happy as I was entertained all through out the show and I'm super happy with the debut line-up. I'll be waiting for their songs.
Beat songs were great for me, its stays on my head even after the show, those kinds of songs gets people to listen. Mama mia was one of my faves and their finals songs
El Kepitan announced that they will prepare their debut song for Cha Woong-ki and AHOP. Stop the criticism towards him. He cherishes Cha Woong-ki and AHOP. He pointed out a problem with the evaluation method in the program. It is not directed at the participants. He is a person who could see the stage more accurately because he is a professional. Also, he saw the stage himself on the spot. You guys are making the wrong accusation.
Im a melody and Btob stan forever ... seeing Changsub trying to recreate his minis... hmmm i cant let him have someone new and younger version of them get the attention of singing idols... i kinda want them to be the only vocalist idols therein hahahaha... anyway thats only the second reason,, 1st reason is that i want JL and team rhythm win no matter what... among the 3 teams... their team is the best team and complete package for me... ready to debut... daisuke is minor yes but his talent is for 19 yrs old already...he is Male version of seowon in Unis...
Tbh as an avid watcher of the show. It is a bit unfair. The result was already predicted. The basis of the votes is the team where JL is. And also he's also the basis of who will the winner team is. He gathered 3M+ votes (only him, but the total votes of his team is 4M+) while the highest votes for the other teams is around 500-600 K.
You said you're an avid watcher but I bet you only skip parts. It was never predictable, the voting system was different in the beginning. They keep getting 2nd the other rounds that's why his fans went all in only voting team Rhythm to secure debut.
And what's unfair with that? He got those 3M votes because JL DESERVES IT. That's why people see him as an all-rounder, right? He definitely proves it from the start until the end. He shows us how talented he is, how hardworking he is, his kind and pure personality, and how he help his Team in every performance. Not just JL, but all of Team Rhythm show the viewers how they help each other behind every performance. They showed us that they are already working as a team and how ready they are to debut. And not all the time they have the FAVOR or the VICTORY from the show! Even international fans got angry about how they are always placing 2nd for the 1st and 2nd rounds of UL. We also felt robbed because we know how much Team Rhythm deserved to win, but on-site audience obviously favoured that other team with more Korean members and visuals, they say. The winning of Team Rhythm is a fruit of their efforts and their talents. They worked hard for it. And every teams did work hard for it. But we who voted for JL and every TR member won't just accept accusations like this that the result is unfair just because JL got the highest vote because HE DESERVES IT. PERIOD.
In all honesty i have a lot to say about this show. imo this was the best survival show to have come out this year! mainly due to the fact that every other male survival show in the later half of the year were... quite upsetting in terms of outcome (don't even get me started on starlight boys lol). the franchise universe ticket setup, has become one of the more diverse ones on the kpop market! with that being said, i get el captin's comments and can understand his perspective if anything. his team had been 3rd every single mission due to an imbalance of popularity. BUT the comment came off as a bit distasteful IMO. team beat just seemed overall unlucky from the begging, losing drafts multiple times and the entire team being unbalanced (as seen when woogki gets like TWICE the more votes in comparison to the rest of his team, meanwhile despite JL having a gap of votes during their 2nd mission, the trainees votes still felt more even in comparison). every team had their 'P01' member essentially and I wasn't sure how they would go about that, it seemed like they did it to keep the playing field as fair as they could make it. lastly survival shows will ALWAYS be set up as a popularity contest unless its rigged OR the mentors have more involvement in the lineup (like izna). whether you look at shows like the produce produce, girls planet, boys planet, universe league, universe ticket, iland, iland na, or any other show, the trainee with a large fanbase is bound to make it. so whoever didn't have JL from the beginning was always gonna be unlucky in the end with the system of the show. also with the variables of elisia and gehlee's success in their first show, and the ph fanbase being insane when it comes to voting made JL's debut almost inevitable especially with the popularity of TR. with that being said I hope these boys pull a boys planet where almost all the trainees on the show debut bc there were many talented ones that got popular in the later episodes!
It's also a good thing RT won instead of Groove. Yk why? Because Kenta is having an issue right now about picking up girls while in the dorms and drinking irresponsibly. Couple of girls created an acct on X (which was already deleted) and posted screenshots of convos. Timing when Kenta posted on his X that his phone was missing lmaoooo brother had to delete it and deactivate his account. The groove team dodged a bullet right there, and FnF if ever thy debuted the GT. Screenshots of convos are still on Weibo, under Super Topic of Universe League. I'm so done with him being a TOTGA.
@@liezltan1887 they have proofs on Weibo, he also posted on X that his phone was missing but deleted it again after. Brother went MIA when the issue was exposed. He was posting everyday before in his acct.
@@butterfly-u7i true it was so funny. The whistleblower on X said another woman got ahold of his phone while they were together, and decided to expose the screenshots.
@@liezltan1887 whistleblower said his tears on ep10 at UL was also fake and she got proofs, but her acct and another one got already deleted immediately before she can show it. I assume Kenta's fans reported them. Good thing Cfans got ahold of some screenshots and posted it on Weibo.
This is thebest survival show coz its team work and also its global kpop so lets support the winners and we dont have a choice is to accept the ending no negative comments yaan na natin sila kung di nila tanggap so be it kz sa umpisa pa lang malinaw na ang team group na winner yun ang mag debut. Dun naman sa individual wala naman sinabi na individual ang sinabi first pick it means kung sino popular sa group kz un ang kukunin pala nila na isama sa debut kz 9 ang plan nila at alam na yan ng mentors cguro naman napagsabihan na cla. Kaya tahimik na tayo support nalang sa AHOP. Spread ❤ not hate
please don't create another #X1,, I'm already heartbroken with them,, this is the second group I love from all the survival show I have watched before till now., Please let #AHOF debut without any issue., the only issue here is that Team Beat Director is somehow bitter of what happens to his team., But, I also wish those trainee to still continue to practice and debut in the future.,.,
Star Quality is important for an Idol and the thing is, it's a competition. Of course those who have star quality should be focused. Its fair because they joined to be an idol and they should've known from the start. It would be a waste to not focus on trainees that have high star quality abd just focused on trainees who have not that kind of high skills and no star quality.
All i just know is all participants in this show are they have own skills. But there's always saying "if it not your time to shine even you have all the packages, you not gonna shine". I rooting the team Rhythm from start to end until they became AHOF ❤❤❤ im so proud of JL 🇵🇭 congratulations and good luck to your new journey. And to say to all winners 🎉🎉🎉
tb pd being bitter just means he didnt do a good job being a mentor. imagine picking unstable vocalists at the forefront then openly showing disappointment, the youngsters would obv be discouraged. good job giving them enough trauma to write their own songs tho ig that aside, this show is indeed rigged against tb (in order to progress to r3, they just gotta get tb to lose r2:
If we call it unfair, it will be unfair to the team rhythm and show but there was flaws in the system like, team beat didn't even had a single chance to overcome their problems, so i think producers should do some changes next season like 1) give opportunity to everyone, cause in this season some of trainees has very less screen time. 2) they should not eliminate trainees from first round, give them some time so audience can took some time to explore the trainees. 3) elimination round should be based on voting not the performance round, all mentors should vote for the teams unanimously. 4) before final round merge all the team and make them one team so everyone will have an equal chance and nobody can complain. These are my suggestions and seriously 😒 i don't think that team rhythm didn't deserve it, they totally earned it but there were trainees who felt not right because they didn't have equal and individual chance but as a team.
OMG everyone! I watched the whole show!!!! And team RHYTHM really represented the true meaning of a Global Idol!!! FYI, ONLY 5 ORIGINAL Rhythm members debuted!!! 2 are originally from team Beat and 2 from Team Groove!!! Let us all moved ON!!! ❤❤❤
I love the team Rythm, so it's safe to say that I Iike most of the debuting members(not all, though) plus Park Han. The only thing that makes me upset until now was Changsub snatching Sirin and Rythm's coach not taking him back on the last trade! Sirin could have been one of the debuting members now, IF ONLY! A Thai rep could have been perfect for the group, adding more diversity to an already diverse group. But yeah, sure. They need to favor korean audience more to strive domestically so they need korean visual representative. I feel so bad for Sirin. Dang, he's not even the apple of my eye in the entire run of the show.
I know it is sad Sirin or Zenzen is not part of this team I love them both with their voices and humor. However, TR mentors ,especially Ten, were actually considering Sirin but due to lack of votes from live audiences and online he wasn't chosen. He keeps on tracking him and was like if only there was more support. So, they made a more strategic move to get someone hardworking, talented, mature (need to emphasize this because TR is a chaotic group that I like so much sense of humor), and popular (despite issue, I think it is an added factor for the success of group in and out KR). Nevertheless, I want more of them in UL debut to huhuhu like I wish for more maybe 14 if not 21. On the other hand, I am happy for the AHOF group hopefully they will stay as 9 members and after 3 years will add those members.
@sujinimori9549 I just feel like the last trade was fnf's memo. The company might have already predicted that RT's gonna win, so they snitch in a member they think that would appeal to the korean audiences. Besides, knets won't just openly accept and support a group with fewer korean than foreign members, just what happened to Unis. So yeah, I really think that fnf have done some final retouch to the debuting group. So many wasted talent in this svs. I probably won't stan the group because I can't with bgs, but I defo gonna support them, from streaming to voting, or might even buy their album if I happen to like the song they would release.
Well if you think about it TR's original members are only Jl, Steven, Daisuke, Shuaibo, and Juwon. While Woongki and Chi en for TB and Park Han and Seo Jeongwoo for TG.
The show was rigged definitely. In intercept round Even the editing they make big deal for rhythm trade. Like chih en telling oh this team better they are so great they remember everything in short amount while in reality those edits were after they were distributed parts. So many member traded yet those who got traded from other team to rhythm got so much spotlight over people in groove or beat. All of them from debuted lineup? For example, hanseo and heejun also got traded but did they show them being grateful for the team they are in or pointing out weaknesses of beat? No because they are edited heavily. And are not supposed to debut. As for beat bench, they showed them thinking the choreography how the song should go. Which happens on first day of practice. Aka they were shown in bad lighting. Entire show editing its always been rhythm glazing from start. Even non relevant episodes, during holiday episode entire rhythm team got to showcase their whole performance while other teams got cut for some parts or even cut entirely. Rhythm fans have so much time glazing rhythm bench prison performance because of vague changsub line also the prison performance of rhythm they cut so much vocals and the verses don't even connect. But are completely fine when beat bench loosing against rhythm despite beat having best performance even said by ten the director himself. But thats fine because according to online if its rhythm its fine but if its any other team they don't deserve?? Every team has won on onsite before. But online only rhythm? Online were just rage voting for no talent. I still don't see why chih en and daisuke were even got votes. Because of jl rhythm got votes if he was any other team the whole nation would've poured their votes in other team. Onsite being racist comment doesn't even work because during represent round when whole team except juwon was foreigner rhythm still got highest vote. Guess that was also bad? No because it favors rhythm. So yeah definitely rigged.
They wouldn't rig it in favor of Ten and Yangyang when they are the non-koreans mentors. They wouldn't rig it in favor of rhythm when initially, almost all the members were all foreigners. Koreans will still prioritize their people. If they're gonna rig it they will make sure that the good members of Rhythm will be taken by Groove and they will make them stay there and form the best group under groove. Rhythm won because: 1. their directors know how to pick those with natural star qualities and they were the top choice of most of those types of trainees like JL and Juwon (like Daisuke even cried cuz he wanted to be on Rhythm so bad and even Heejun who spent more time with groove still posted a pic of Ten along with his message for him despite the fact that they didn't take him back unlike Juwon). Ten actually also wanted Chih En from the start so he took him right away during the 1st trade. And he was right cuz Chih En showed improvement right away when he got into Rhythm. 2. The team members are given enough room to become self-learners and collaborative instead of being spoon-fed and too reliant on their directors. Ten and Yangyang reviewed their practices through videos when they are away and gave them feedback in a distant learning type of style but leave them to do the things they could do on their own. This built their confidence and teamwork and allowed them to be more creative. 3. JL and how he is grouped with members that have chemistry with him. 4. Ten - this is his 3rd survival show as mentor and although it may not be obvious cuz he seems soft and calm he is actually very competitive and can be calculated. He doesn't play to win battles but to win the war. He understands what and who will appeal to the audience and he went for it. Initially, some people criticized rhythm for having the least Korean members but he was bold enough to go for it cuz he's not only after winning some episodes but winning the entire game with the most globally appealing combination of trainees.
It's actually non negotiable because 95% of Rhythm fans are not new to K-pop industry, it makes sense that we had already a standard and Rhythm was the only Team that qualify for that.
@@nabimoreno4734 thats your opinion, every person has different opinion, why not respect each other
From the beginning, this show was set-up as a League based survival show. If you're not an athelete, you will never get it you will always think it's unfair. The contestants knew that from the first place. That's why during the draft, even the contestants in each team were persuading JL to join them because they knew he can carry the whole team as MVP.
Maybe JL is just too good that is why the mentors are fighting for him.. Ten was lucky because JL idolized him.. and rhythm is destined to debut
@@liezltan1887 there's also a segment where JL said he dreamt about him performing a wayv music before going to south korea. It's also one of the factor why he choose ten amd yang-yang's team.
well another thing is the Philippines comes through and rightfully so, they always show through with their talent elisia, sophia, genres, and JL but its an obvious why they'd win
JL proves that he is the living PRISM cup 😅😂.
Well, I wouldn't blame you with all of your perspectives about the show, especially with how JL was showcased in the whole show. I get it, and I also thought it was kind of unfair. BUT...with how I view the teams, I knew, and definitely, the producers knew that wherever JL is, that team will gonna win. JL was the only CERTAIN ALL-ROUNDER in the bunch (I would say Park Han also, but he has yet to show other talent aside from dancing and singing great). The producers probably had PTSD with how massive Elisia and Gehlee votings got in UT, so they knew JL is secured in the debut line-up.
But, I kinda also blame the mentors (or directors as the participants called them), as they picked their team members according to their taste and not the audience which they knew had the power who's gonna in the show.
TEAM BEAT - did not consist of any strong vocalist(s) which Koreans liked a lot. CHA WOONGKI, despite being the most stable vocal in the group, isn't much a great or even a good vocalist tbh. I would consider him a stable yet very weak vocalist. I would say, good point with KAIRI. He's a PACKAGE ready for debut, really. The face and body cards and great dancer *chef's kiss*. I know, I know TEAM BEAT have great dancers and singers, but they got eliminated so fast because of the Korean live audience who voted participants with great faces 🙄. I almost lost my eyeballs from too much eye rolling because of that.
TEAM GROOVE - I can't remember if it was TEN who said this, but TEAM GROOVE was definitely not an IDOL GROUP. They are only just a bunch of good vocalists. They kinda looked like the Korean groups from the early 1990s, where vocals were exceptional and highlighted very well in the group rather than dancing. CHANGSUB only highlighted the good vocals the group had and not the other skillsets they have. If not only I noticed how good Park Han is in dancing, I will probably just think about his vocals throughout the show, really. And also KENTA deserved better than this!
TEAM RHYTHM - TEN and YANGYANG have this team good. The whole group is diverse! The every skill of each member was HIGHLIGHTED. It almost blinds my eyes. We knew who the vocalists in the group were (JL, ZEN ZEN, who later joined the team, LI ZHINUO was appreciated a LOT, SIRIN). We knew who were in charge of the RAP in the group (STEVEN, JU WON, DAISUKE). The stage presence master and sexiness laoshu (DIVA SHUAIBO). CHIH EN is the center or the visual of the group. TEN and YANGYANG really did use the SMTown strat with this team, and it WORKED A LOT.
It's a difference of opinion. Everyone has different evaluations. I respect your opinion. But I don't think the answer is right. The evaluation of the team or the participants is more so. This is your subjective opinion. I may or may not agree with you. There is no right answer.
I like all three teams. I like the AHOP members who debuted. I like the rhythm team, too. But not all the performances of the rhythm team were the best. There were times when other teams did better. Participants in all teams were talented. The evaluation may be different. People's tastes are different, too. They are free to think, but I hope they don't underestimate the value of other teams or participants.
And what I noticed on park han singing is he overused his voice until it sounds like he is screaming 😶😶
Team Groove has many times chance to take JL but they didn't do that
@@kamatis1190its because park han used nasal voice that is why its easy to destroy like if he will get cough he cannot sing well like over use, unlike JL from the diaphragm and he knows how to used his voice
@@lexxphaka123 i think they had a silent aggreement not to take the 1st placer in the group.. jl was not in 1st place only once.. that time changsub took heejun ang hanseo because he need someone with the rapping part and strong vibe something like that
Never a fan of survival shows, actually this is the first time i watch one. I can say that the talent here are at a high level. Global audience like me watches the show observing the talent and not just because of their nationality or race. Love that this group is so diverse and talented. Lets support AHOF whatever endeavors they all have specially as a group or individually.
How could you say that the talents here were at a high level when you never saw and watch any other survival show? do you even know the standard skill level of other survival shows to say they're at the HIGH level...
It's not high level talent, I can see only two high level park Han and JL😂
@@Blackpink1111-j4t are you sure about that ?, than you must be super talented than to say those words, i love you see your talent on survival show, when you got one please mention me than, i Will pleasure to see you there
I saw El Capitan’s comment as sour graping. While it is personal yes but they didn’t have much luck from the Pick segmet. They were lucky with Wongki and Chih En because nobody chose them but Ten this early on manifested that he had Chih in his radar which Ten took in first elimination. Team have been careless with their choices, they picked 2 trainees that didn’t have the skills. No matter how good your songs are, it’s not going to win a team. Plus, Woongki did and could carry his team because his fans are only voting for him while JL on the other hand carried his team from day 1. The fans are already crazy about Team Rhythm WHY? Because Ten and Yangyang carefully picked their Trainees. You just can’t afford to make a mistake and one thing, TR peaked at the right time. You know in Beauty Contest saying: Know when to peak at the right time. Ep 8 was the Deciding factor. They got Juwon back and gained Seo Jongwoo who according to some vloggers who witness the show he has the face value (looked like a star in person) aside from Chih En. After this I became a fan of Ten and Yangyang and I’m not even a fan of KPOP hater even. Sorry I was an ignorant expectation before and now Im leaning the ropes. I love the SM units spc Tan and Yangyang’s units and of course AHOF will always be my baby!. Ten and Yangyang played their cards well and smart too!
I honestly don't know why team beat choosed chih En and then team rhythm, there were trainees who were more talented but got eliminated and if your answer is that because he is handsome, in my opinion all the trainees were handsome not even one had a bad face.
for me Team Rhythm really shines through. The choreo are so precise, very intricate moves and they are very synchronize vocals are stable and stage presence and facial expression love it, i was only a little bit worried about chih en's facial expression but he got improve❤ and they improved in every stages. Mentors/Directors TEN and YANGYANG are very good mentors all the more in giving advices they do not say that ("i hate those trainees who will ruined my songs") if trainess do not do well but instead they are a bit disappointed but keep on practicing more, help each other if you see your team mate struggle help them, try this, record yourself singing to see how you did and if there are flaws improve them ask for help😍😍🤩
Team Groove- at first i was really amazed by their vocals changsub really know how to pick his trainess but as the shows proceeds it kinda felt like Boring. coz we already know Their Vocals are sooo good so i was looking for something new and they lack of something. i confrim it at the intercept stage, the lack of stage presence thats why i was drawn towards TEAM RHYTHM'S Bench Prison rather than TEAM GROOVE'S Prison. the abs showing hmmm its really just to attract a little attention but if you have stage presence you dont need to show those.and everytime you hear the song you only remember the body they shown but not the song or the message of the songs you want your fans to felt and receive.😢
TEAM BEAT hmmm in drafting they already make a mistake when they choose jihun by mistake. the Mentors/Directors i am ok with Yougeum but ELCapitan 😐 i was ok with him but 😔😔 his recent comment leaved a sore spot. if you know the unfair system why didnt you tell the crew why after all that happened they already announce the winner the show already ended, you start to talk like that?😮💨😑😐😓 You Look like a Sore Loser.
Woongki Really carried his Team from the start thank god Kairi who was really good was also there to help him but so sad First Impression of Team Beat to the Global Audience is Low.
i think woongki's fandom really did well in helping woongki.
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OVERALL LOVE THEM ALL
THIS IS THE FIRST SURVIVAL SHOW I HAVE SO MANY TRAINEES I WANT TO DEBUT.
❤❤❤MISSING THEM ALREADY❤❤❤
@@Westerneve i think he meant that chih en has a charm and charisma that most people didn't have. Many people are beautiful but they don't have it. you can encounter a people who is not good looking but has it. Hyeyeon from snsd said she like beautiful people with charisma because even though she is beautiful she doesn't have it.
@@jessamariesazon7631 I agree. I mean I can understand the sour graping but i have rewatched the show multiple times and it was abvious from first episode that they are loosing the best player during the pick. So admit it or not they are kind off on the down part to begin with. And in regards to song choice, isn't it the director who is picking the songs for them? I have watched how the 3 team practice. Team rhythm focus on all major aspects, team groove focuses on how are they going to showcase their singing prowess and hide the what they call weak part. So both team have strategy to make their performance stand out
I don't think we should turn a blind eye to the fact there was a clear winner from the beginning unless you truly haven't watched survival shows like UT and DREAM ACADEMY before. It was obvious to many that Rhythm would win in the end because of JL. I'm not saying he isn't talented but, the Philippines comes through when it comes to other Philippians like Gehlee Dangca, Elisia Parmisano, Sophia from Katseye. it was obvious if JL hadn't been on the show, rhythm wouldn't win because groove members votes are overall more than rhythms without the addition of JL who had a 3-2 million gap (?) to the rest of the team
What El Capitano said is a personal opinion but at the same time, it made him look bitter about the results. to begin with, the voting is already unfair-- I mean we all can agree how bad the live voting was where they only focused on voting Groove team because they're mostly Koreans and because JeongWoo is the main market there. Yes, lol he may not have the trainee experience but his visual is his main value there. aside from that Team Beat coach mentioned it themselves that JL is a big loss to them in fact JL is the main threat to the other team.
It's just Ten and Yangyang know how to play the game. so not just they took Juwon back because obviously, they're not called Avengers team for no reason right? they also took Jeongwoo in a way that the Groove team wouldn't dominate the voting. but unexpectedly JL is too strong ending with 3M votes. although Jeongwoo still managed to climb to the top 7 it still means he's impactful and valued.
Lol onsite vote was so unfair... The song prison??? TR bench was so good really really good but their votes was so disappointing somehow..
We wont forget that 101 score..
@@jermainerodgers .. Same here never forget..
Yes the team rhythm bench was so good but the audience still favored the groove
@@jermainerodgers really, like 101 is insane. onsite voters only care about look
@@shadowdask1840 yeah onsite vote are bias hahahha.. changsub pick most of korean players in his team..
This is the biased live Audience fault.. and it starts in 2nd league match. When rhythm bench team lost and beat main team. Int fans are angry.. lmao.
@@jermainerodgers was all the votes also based on bias too, please respect other's opinion too
@@dewiadindasari1429we respect them that's why we only vote aggressively...it was the audience and Koreans specifically who cried to us first calling us bias when we just vent out frustration on that prism song...101 honestly??? We came to realization that audience are bias
Voting online was fair.if you can see almost team rhythm 2nd place in onsite vote and in onsite vote always JL very low votes even though his perform perfectly.it means onsite vote have favoritism from the start.only team rhytm high vote in online votes from global.
Korean audience doesn't know how to recognice the real talend they just preferred about looks
That's why online voting is good than onsite knetz@@mitchellmitch9444
@@mitchellmitch9444you can't judge like that , you don't know that watching live performance and from streaming is different, so we can't judge other's opinion
@@ArvinMaulion even park han has low onsite votes🤪 while other contestants were hoping for park han to be 1st. Online voters really give justice.
Correct.if your looks fast to theyre standard o kpop you will win even though you dont have talent.thats why almost korean doing plastic surgery..
voting was 70% Korean (KTOPSTAR - Korea IP is required) 30% - global (SBS site/HIGHER), then they implement 50% onsite, 50% online votes, where approx 90% are Korean live audience. UL really tried their best in balancing votes against JL's voting support.
during the airing, ive seen people campaigning for block votes, especially for Rhythm - so in the finale they changed the voting from selecting 7 members - to just 1 group then 1 member only. this way the PDs were able to measure each individual support more accurately.
also, sexy and sultry is just a dance concept - you dont necessarily sexualize the person while watching them. regardless of age, it is creepy if you do. yall gotta stop emphasizing this cause you're the only one bringing attention to it as a taboo, when all other normal people just see it as a person dancing. stop sensationalizing it.
Thank you! On the last part. Because when did TR concept insinuate 'sexy concept' or talk about s-e-x??? Their whole theme was power through-ing challenges, ambition and determination to get to their goals. And the 'Give Me That' part was to represent the mentors song, that was not the PD's material, so I don't think the company will go for sexy concept for their debut, not with minors in the group. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and jump to conclusion, their imagination is flying too far. If they did did that concept, THEN complain.
The block voting came about when TRB did Prison so well even TG main felt threatened w performance, it seemed as if it was robbed of votes onsite. It angered alot of online fans hence the rally
I'm always confused how Westerners especially Americans love to call out minors in a Kpop group saying things like they should wait till they turn 20 or like they shouldnt debut in this group because it will hinder the concept when their preteen population be having sex at the tender age of 12 and doing drugs at age 15+ 🫠
@@OrangeN00dlethe real question is, who showed their abs??? Chi en lift his clothes but no abs was shown...the only muscle we see is Stevens arms...it was beat and groove who showed their abs... Are they telling us we're blind
Team voting was a thing. R keeping most of the star members the same gave even more advantage.
Also the good group decisition do delivery good stage presence / acting .dosent look to be the mentors direction, because bench team didnt do it as much.
Groove star members was always shifting due the ranking. And the behind the scene focus more on changsub then the members, to help out people to get to know them better and do more consistent voting.
Yeah the system is flawed but I also like it because after the drama arc , most star members where portraited in a very humane light in contrast with most survivals.
Lets hope that the others trainees may find their path to shine.
Too bad for the other Teams, it just so happens that PH are Monster Voter... TR accumulated a lot of votes because of JL's fandom but also because of strategy... They make a lot of collaborations when it comes to voting, special mention A'tins of Sb19... Whatever... I love how it ended, i got JL, Steven, Juwon, Zhang Shuaibo and Park Han!😊❤
They dont just voted.. they also spend alot of money . Almost all kpop fandom in PH unite for JL. Army, once, blinks , carats , and others.
JL is good
To say it's unfair is a disservice to every player in that show. Some players are just too good, and that's the reality of it. Yes, some people got so many votes that it looked like a popularity contest but those people are also really talented so they deserved those votes too.
Team rhythm has a good teamwork from the very start.. they practice together most of the time and did you see how they help each other to improve😊😊😊
Yes without the mentor take note only them that is its always JL helping them in vocals and choreo with juwon, when juwon was traded we saw JL was so pressure because he is doing everything
@liezltan1887 yeah and look at the IGNITION its trending now,, because it was so good... Do you agree??
@@jennilyndaguasi5186 the other team Also did the same
El Capitano didn't strategize well. He choose sloppy talents. What do you expect will the results be? Lol
They tried to get park han, JL and juwon during the draft but sadly they were not chosen by these contestants. It's not the strategy, it's the bad luck.
It's fair enough Kasi umpisa pa lang inexplain na nila na sinong group ang manalo Sila ang magdedebut😂😂
El Capitan's statement, while framed as his personal opinion, came across as bitter rather than an objective critique. Given that he was fully aware of the competition's mechanics from the start-unless, of course, the show failed to disclose them to the mentors-his reaction seems less about fairness and more about frustration over the outcome. As a mentor, he was expected to understand that the voting system ultimately determines the winner, and any dissatisfaction with the process should have been addressed constructively rather than emotionally.
Moreover, as a mentor and, by extension, a role model for the trainees, he had a responsibility to demonstrate sportsmanship and professionalism. Accepting defeat graciously is a key lesson in any competitive environment, especially one that involves public voting. Instead of expressing resentment, he could have used the moment to teach his trainees about perseverance, resilience, and the importance of rallying supporters effectively. His reaction, whether intentional or not, set a questionable example, as it implied that losing was due to external factors rather than a result of the competition's structure and the engagement of the voters.
Common knowledge that in survival reality shows where the winner is determined by voting, the outcome reflects the collective effort of supporters rather than just the popularity of the contestants. If a contestant or team loses despite having strong backing, it indicates that their supporters did not vote in sufficient numbers to secure victory. This means that the responsibility for the loss lies more with the lack of voting effort from the losing side rather than any fault of the winning team.
I totally agree with this comment!
El Capitan was implying about the system not the voting.
The fact that yhe Losing team every round gets weaker since strong players are always taken away from them. Meaning they really have No chance at winning knowing how it's a voting show.
He didn't intend to discredit the winning team.
He really is right from the start when he said before JL's first appearance "we are doomed without him".. i just remember it now😅
And El Capitan choose his Team and not the Voters. so he should blame himself for that.
@@lloydkennethsy1823 gurl, El Capitan didn't said anything bad about the other team... He was criticizing the format where it's impossible to win especially with the trade system where the losers keep losing because they can't steal any trainees and keep losing good ones.
The subject of 'Unfairness' is actually subjective to the people involved, with the consideration of the set rules of the show.
1. Prior to the start of the competition, the rules are already laid out to the contestants, mentors, and everyone involved. Meaning the mechanics are (we assume) already made clear to everyone.
2. KPOP Survival Shows oftentimes utilize Online Voting systems as since the expectation is to debut idols, a contestant's popularity also has to be measured. This equates to a contestant's bankability to fans and end-consumers (which means more earnings for the company as popularity = consumer response).
3. Mentor strategy also is in place here. It's not enough to just pick good/decent contestants but also, they should've strategized how they will market these would-be idols, what songs would fit the idols they have chosen, and how to re-evaluate their strategy based on the first performances. A great example here is Park Han's audition with Siren. Park Han can surely sing and dance (we can arguably say he is also an all-rounder) but since he wanted to be with Groove (and Changsub also picking Park Han), Changsub's strategy moreso focused on vocal stability (which was loved by on-site viewers/voters). This should have been evaluated by Beat (or even Rhythm) to identify which factors affected the on-site voting. We cannot say Beat is unlucky in picking contestants - it's more on how you will develop these contestants to step their games up and to level with other competitors. We should not discredit the capabilities of the contestants and call it 'unlucky pick'. That's just disrespectful to the contestants' hard work
Unfair, maybe. But that is subjective. All worked hard to debut. That's it.
Whatever!! Its the best survival show ever. All the contestants who didn't debut were getting recognition bec of the show. They're all talented and thankful for the show. Thankfully the show didn't drag too long so the other contestants can start a new path.❤
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Team Rythm Bench Prison 101 triggered TR global fans.. hehehehe.
Yeah. Plus, team groove isn’t really impressive as group.
now there you go he wanted Kairi to debut... this says the whole of this video. from the first episode-- Rhythm is a force to reckon with. BEAT was right-- they're doomed not having JL in their team.. and it happened. the producer was just a lil salty for sure. bt cmon Beat didn't have a strong team TBH.
We all know from the start beat will.never win its only rhythm or groove.. plus they may have dancers but still rhythm are much better dancers.. remember jinho and kairi and yuito are big fan of JL like hello
They dont have that wow factor..
Kairi chih en jiang fan jinho hanseo woongki are the only prepared member of team beat from the 1st ep.. minus jiang fan chih en and hanseo... was their complete doom..
D kasalanan ng TR yun😂 dapat binoto nila ang gusto nila yun lang yun
the moment they "wrongly" choose park jihun coz his just "handsome" they already lost. bye
Universe league, the concept came from sports league and as you can see in a typical sports league "you fight as a team and you win as a team" . Then the two added members are the MVP of each of the losing team which is again a concept came from a sport league. Lots of people are saying that team rhythm wins because of JL's popularity. Well that is partly true but...don't forget that it is a league battle, they won every battle because of their hardwork and teamwork. Each members effort, skills and talent contributed to their win in each battles and eventually lead the whole team to debut.
I also read from other comments that groove team won almost all of the battles. Again thats true but again.... If you watch the show, rhythm team MAIN PLAYERS has been winning all the battles from the very beginning: (its just that the rhythm BENCH PLAYERS has been loosing their battles that is why the whole rhythm team suffers).
1_rhytm main vs groove main~rhythm main wins onsitevotes.
2_rhythm main vs beat bench~rhythm main wins onsite votes.
3_rhythm main vs other team~ rhythm main wins overall votes.
4_final rhythm mainteam wins
PLUS, all rhythm main players are first pick of the mentors. They're literally the AVENGERS team and deserves to debut as a team.
Wow, that's true tho. The 5 main players didn't change since the beginning. One of them, Sirin. Made it to the finals. Now, I see why rhythm really won. But, my heart is still heartbroken bcos a lot of my faves are in Groove.
Couldn't agree more
so but that's his own opinion..we can clearly see the rhythm performances are more stand.out especially the main 7 of team rhythm..from vocals, rapping and dancing..total performances they always server in every stages..I'm not NCTZen but I stand BtoB first before I became NCTZen. this based on the performances the beat good performance the missing is the wow factor the the groove and the rhythm did have.
Reminder,,, the reality has already wrapped-up😅... Move-on please❤
How can be it’s unfair when he himself pick JL Heloo
Bro literally forgot that Rhythm Team only got 1st place on Round 3 🤪 it was always the Groove Team winning. How tf do we know who would win in the end? Even the division of scores to win wasn't announced beforehand. RT's fans just block voted the heck out of it after the Bench RT got that 101 score. Why do people always say that the winners are predictable lmao
Its because of JL everyone knows he is the main star everyone knows how powerful and gifted he is
@@stranger0128 hahaha that 101 vote was so iconic.. it got me so angry too.. i was so mad that time hahahaha
@@liezltan1887 they just wouldn't admit that JL is THAT good, and instead blame it on his popularity and hype as to why people voted for him. There are many all rounders in UL - Joohyung, Park Han, Kyungho, etc. but only JL got that star quality, stage presence, and excellent facial expressions. He was also the only one relaxed onstage out of all the contestants who already debuted. The uploader is talking out of his a$$ when he said the winners were predictable. LIKE No Sir, the Groove Team was always winning and they get their team stronger in every round thru 2 trades. RT only won at the last league match!!! The matrix of scores wasn't announced until the day they release the results lmaoooo
I was so mad about that 101 score . I literally screaming saying cursed words. Lmao.
@@jermainerodgers no wonder PD decided to have 100% online scores at the end cause if they based off of onsite votes even Park Han wouldn't be able to debut. That 101 score was diabolical. Kenta also got the highest score in GT on that performance. If PD relied on onsite votes the group would be full of visuals without a core fandom. Casual onsite voters won't vote and stream for the group religiously, but a core fandom can. They saw it on Unis when a small fandom of a rookie group was able to win every voting tasks they were assigned of, they even got the girls to win MAMA awards, TMA, and Korean brand awards. Which is very unlikely for a rookie group of less than a year into their debut.
I knew from the episode 1 that Team Beat will be doomed when they said that they are looking for star quality because singing and dancing can be taught knowing that they only have a week or two to train and perform the song.
Especially when they choose Jihun to be their starting line-up. I mean Yugyeom choose different trainee in Love shot draft and said that he's not that bad at singing but El Capitan disagreed and said just because he lacks star quality.
DO NOT SAY THAT IT WAS UNFAIR WHEN TEAM RHYTHM WHO ALWAYS REGARDS AS AVENGERS BY OTHER TEAMS ALWAYS LOSES BECAUSE OF THE ONSITE VOTINGS. THEY DO THEIR PART AND AS A ONLINE VOTERS WE ALSO DO OUR PART TO LET OUR BIAS WIN.
If you really want your favorite trainee to debut, you should have also spend money on them.
@@elle6172 money always speaking everywhere
Groove and Beat lack star quality THAT'S IT!
Exactly
No as long as they have a talent that what you called STAR QUALITY is just few of them having an impact.
Universe League has a lot of talented players but let's be real only few has a STAR QUALITY. They always perform great but only few has an impact.
True, all of them is talented but few of them having the impact
Regardless, this is the only svs where I know everybody's names :D
The evaluation method of the Universe League is problematic. Both on-site and online voting were popular votes. If you evaluate the stage alone, all 3 teams have their best performances. There are also performances that are not good enough.
I liked all three teams. But the fans of the team don't like it. In particular, fans of the rhythm team and the groove team always underestimate the value of other teams. The participants of all teams were talented. Just not your taste. The fans of the team are not professionals. They are all subjective opinions. Stop saying things that antagonize each other. None of them should be blamed. I hope the members and participants who debuted will not be hurt.
Also, I hope that Elcapitan will not be blamed. He pointed out the problem of the stage evaluation method on the Universe League broadcast. This is because the evaluation and ranking of the actual stage do not match. Elcapitan would have seen the stage more accurately because he is a professional. The beat team always performed well. But it was always No. 3. Viewers who watched the broadcast knew the problem as well. Elcapitan praised the beat team for always doing their best on stage, even though they knew the team would not win. I don't understand why he is criticized. He pointed out the problem of the stage evaluation method. It is not directed at the rhythm team. However, fans of many rhythm teams are criticizing Elcapitan. I think some fans are misunderstanding.
Don't leave me a comment. I won't answer. I'm tired of the bickering of the fans.
I knew it from the start of Intercept that EL Capitxn would be so biased about his team. Like he makes emotional connection to them. When he uses his mic and say "that's my boy"(I'm not sure if that what he says) when woongki got 1st place on votes that when i knew that even if he knew how the system of UL works and even if groove or rhythm wins he would still gonna be sound bitter. Even if beat team wins, the other directors wouldn't' say anything like what he did. The other Directors wanna stay neutral even they also made an emotional connection with their teams. And i wanna praise Changsub for that actually as we can see how he really takes care of his team.
I've been watching lots of kpop survival show and I like this, why? You can easily see who can be together, charisma, chemistry. performance
There's a couple of problems with UL: the mechanics of the show didn't allow for the bottom team to recover, and the stan culture. By episode 4, viewers were pretty much locked in on who they wanted to support. These fans are not looking to be convinced - they're going to vote for their faves even when, objectively, another trainee may have performed better. Then you have the mechanics that really only relied on a biased voting pool to determine winners in every round. Like I said, most of the viewers are going to vote for who they want to vote for, regardless of how bad or how well the trainees did.
Agreed that judges should have been given more power, but as mentors to the groups, it doesn't lend a lot of credibility to their picks. Therefore, they should have had guest judges who are independent of the mentors, to judge the performances and give them 50% of the voting share - the fan votes making up the other 50%. I don't think there was anything in the mechanics that allowed the bottom rank team to advance other than fan votes, which like I said, are pretty much locked in by the 4th episode. So, Beat, who only had one popular member, was not given a chance to recover. Rhythm, on the other hand, had multiple popular trainees. While JL had the monster share of the votes, the other members pulled enough votes that, even without JL's 3M points, they only had a 30k point difference against Groove. That's with a 6 member line-up instead of 7. As round 3's winning team, their 7th member was most likely going to be someone higher on the ranks who could easily bridge the 30k point difference, and Rhythm still walks home with the trophy.
This is the best survival show ive watched so far.... every participant had the chance to showcase their talent....
Team RHYTHM is the best standard of this show bcoz they are all talented and all rounder group..
Who is kyrie btw? Just move on broh
The team who won is deserving. Its not their fault they have more votes than the others. And each remaining team had chance to be one who will debut. And thats it.
It's their loss when jl didn't pick them. Bali baliktarin sya ung nagpanalo. 3million votes😂
"JL's best friend race"
hahaha.
Here we go again. HAHAHAHA
Tbh, I don't really get the hate about the system being focus on team debut. Before the show aired, the mechanics of the game was TEAM DEBUT so that the show called UNIVERSE LEAGUE, a LEAGUE.
Why do we only get the hate of the system now? Is it because the popular group was the winner?
When the Team Groove always win in the past episodes, no complain spotted about the system, only the onsite votes arguments but I will not talk about that.
Yes, as El Capitan said, they knew the system was structured in a way they couldn't win because they coudn't expect that the popular ones among the contestants were in the Rhythm team.
But, if the Groove wins, he will still be able to say that? Now, I'm thinking. 😂
No issue about the system on pre-release but because the results are not in favor in your picks, you call the system a trash. Dang! Nice! 😂
For me, the only problem here was a delay in online voting. We don't really saw the performance reel-time, only the onsite voters. So, we're just basing our votes to the team of our faves. It's just not make sense and a messy one.
Another thing is the trading, because of the unspoken rule to not trade the aces or the talented ones, we don't really get a team that purely consist of a talented people. (I'm not hating on the currently debut team. I loved them all.) I know you know what I meant.
Team Rhythm - for me, consist of a balance global trainees. Though, Steven is pure Korean but the nationality is Australian. I still included him as Korean but Koreans included him as foreigner HAHAHAHA what a mindset 😂 Anw, only JL, Steven and Juwon who stand out to me. Other members are all mediocre. However, they are all marketable globally, that's their huge asset.
Team Groove - only Kenta is the foreigner and the rest are Koreans. How can you call that a global boy group? But skill wise, they have the upper hand among the other groups. Singing, dancing, rapping? Name it! But yeah, the problem is they only consist of Koreans and that's not really marketable globally.
Team Beat - they also have a balance line up of Korean and foreign members. They're talented but they not really shined on the show. Maybe because the show rarely giving them spotlight to showcase their talents and personality. We only saw their potential on the latter part which is not good because the fandoms are already established. They are really lagging in terms of popularity except to Woongki which is a sad reality. 😢
Overall, there's a shortcoming here and there but I'm still satisfied with the result. The debut team are not all my picks but I still accept it because I have sportsmanship. ✌️😂
Yeah, that's my takeaway.
The fact Team Rhythm is not Team Rhythm if the OG members are not included. They deserve to debut as A TEAM.
Yeah, not being biased to Rhythm. If I were to look at the 3 groups. Rhythm still really shines the most on talent. I mean, if I was to add anyone, I think Kenta and Kairi would be a great add on.
I totally agree with you like the ratio of online votes and on-site votes should be smaller and they should've prioritize judge pick like 70/15/15 or what ever.
had thw same thoughts...my heart breaks for kairi
Which the Director denied that he said those words LOL
The broadcast is over, and there are no more teams. The members who debuted are not rhythm teams, but AHOPs. Park Han and Cha Woong-ki are members of AHOP. Don't reject them. Don't leave bad words behind, even if they or their voices are not your taste. The team's directors are professionals. Park Han and Cha Woong-ki were the team's main vocalists because they were recognized by experts. The viewers liked their voices, too. If you didn't like their voices, it's not your taste. It's not that they lack abilities. Don't leave bad words that you are not your favorite members. All nine members deserve to debut. Don't write down articles that lower the value of other teams and participants.
I liked all three teams. This is because all the teams had different charms. Write down my personal opinions. You don't have to agree with me. I am Korean and let you know that my job is in the art industry. My opinion is one of the evaluations from the perspective of Koreans in Kpop. I will tell you why Park Han and Cha Woong-ki's vocals are well-received in Korea. The answer is not correct. If you want to know my opinion, please read Five additional comments.
Don't leave me a comment. I won't answer. The criteria for evaluation should be "Kpop," not personal judgment.
You are well aware of the merits of the rhythm team. So I won't mention it. Some members lack skills, but they believe in their potential to improve because they have talent. Rhythm team members are eligible to debut. Some Koreans oppose their debut. Not all Koreans are on the same page with them. Also, some Koreans say Park Han and Cha Woong-ki should be excluded from the team. They are mostly fans of the groove team. Fans of Park Han and Cha are excited about their debut together. And fans of the two like the rhythm team members together. Don't get me wrong.
The groove team was able to perform various stages, but had similar stages. The members of the team had the ability to perform various stages. Since there were many good dancers, the stage centered on always vocals was disappointing. Since it is a choice that reflects the director's taste, it should be viewed as a characteristic of the groove team. Park Han sings well, but he also dances well. You can see it by watching the stages of 'we ready' and 'Siren'.
The beat team always performed well, but everyone knows that it was underrated. It was the best choice for the beat team to perform centered on Cha Woong-ki and Kyrie. The beat team showed a big difference in the skill in the beginning. You can see it from the practice video. Cha Woong-ki and Kyrie were good from the beginning. The two of them were the center, main vocal, and main dancer together. Geum Jin-ho was unstable about the dance and singing in the beginning. The beat team kept losing talented participants. It would have been different if the beat team hadn't lost them. It's not that the beat team didn't make various use of the participants. They made the best choice because of the difference in skills of the participants. If you saw the whole process, you can understand the director's decision. The beat team saw the most improvement in skills among the three teams. Because the beat team members' skills grew as a whole, the other team members' singing parts also increased. Maybe you didn't know that there was a difference in the beat team's skills. Cha Woong-ki and Kyrie were always good. There were just songs that fit each of them more. The two were always the center, main vocal, and main dancer of the beat team. The beat team performed various concepts. Cha Woong-ki and Kyrie did well in all concepts. I can understand that the beat team director trusts the two.
On the last stage, the theme of the song was to wrap up the Beat Team's journey. Sirin and Jenjen are good vocals, but this is why they have few singing parts. The Beat Team already has the mood of the Beat Team's songs, which are maked by Cha Woong-ki, Kyrie, and Geum Jin-ho. The director did not change the vocal combination to maintain the mood of the Beat Team's songs. So, I understand the choice of the Beat Team director.
Cha Woong-ki is a vocalist who can use two voices. You can see that the voices are different on the stages of "On and On" and "Mamma Mia." Cha Woong-ki can use a strong and firm voice and a soft falsetto voice. Not many people can sing both stably. He was also able to sing strong high-pitched parts in "Dreaming." His falsetto voice can be found in the drama OST he sang. Cha Woong-ki is a vocal with great potential because of his high utilization of vocals. This is why El Capitan always gave him the main vocal part. In addition, Cha Woong-ki's voice in K-pop is personality and charm. He previously debuted at the top of the expert evaluation. According to expert evaluation, Cha Woong-ki's voice becomes the killing part in itself. It means that you can create an attractive part with just his voice in a song. It is called "timbre." K-pop prefers the combination of various voices. And in Korea, Park Han and Cha Woong-ki prefer the high-pitched way. It has nothing to do with gender. Watch Baby Monster Ahyeon's performance. In K-pop, they appreciate a stronger and stronger voice than a falsetto voice.
I recommend his falsetto songs. Love for Love's Sake OST "Follow the Wind". It is the OST of his work as an actor. He sang the theme song. In Korean, it is '연애지상주의구역 OST 바람따라'.
I feel like almost all Universe League trainees are darn skilled. Since they're equally talented, the selection criteria focus more on popularity. Like any other company, they naturally invest in those with the best market potential. In the end, the final lineup isn't just talented but also widely popular. Isn't that great?
P.S. I guess El Capitxn didn’t get the trainees he wanted. He probably felt it was unfair that he produced the best music on the show yet got nothing in return. Hopefully, he’s earning well from the royalties, so he’s not too sulky anymore!
Perfection and fairness in the world sometimes do not exist and UL is not an exemption to that. And I agree with you to some of your points. I'm actually never a KPOP supporter nor a survival show viewer and this is literally my first time to watch an SVS but I loved it though there were things that I don't like but I guess there are more things that I like about the show - I guess we all agree that there are many talented contestants and we get to connect with them while we watch how lovely their personalities and them having fun on the show, making friends and creating good memories and for sure they know and might feel that most of them will not debut and somehow have hints on how the show will be as it is evident that there are PDs picks and some would really won't win just like what el capitan said for some reasons that they are also aware of - one must be an outstanding talent and SUPER popular. Afterall, the show is a popularity contest and about fans, though I believe that most of the contestants who received most votes are popular because they are also talented or they are famous for their personalities that people can relate to and admired. I guess the contestants who still persevered until the very end though they knew that they will not debut are good sports and know that they still could get a lot of things from the show like gaining friends, experiences performing on the stage, meeting their idols and most importantly gaining a lot of followers just like cha woongki had gained from his previous 2 SVS.
If ever there are things that I would like to change in this show it would be :
Kyungho - woongki narrative - it's so cringe and unnecessary and I really hate how Kyungho was portrayed as evil - they should not have added this drama
There should be judges to evaluate each performances - I know people are really subjective with how to view each perf so it's best that there should be professional guidance or technical insights though we have mentors feedback but that is not enough.
Though I think a lot of ent. companies have been debuting groups that have minors, I prefer that they would only open the audition for contestants who are 18 and above only because of a lot of reasons - they are growing humans who should not be in labor force, we know how hard it is to work in entertainment industry, esp. that they are a global group that will be travelling to different countries and may experience a lot of hardships and possibly mental breakdown - I just really want to protect the kids. Also, I don't want them to sing wild and sexy concepts that are not appropriate to their age. But I have to admit also that the shows minors/maknae - Daisuke, Anyul and Zenzen are better than some of the contestants that are older than them. They are professionals and hardworking kids. I love them so please protect them.
I would like it if the songs concepts for each challenges are given by the PDs to highlight the individual talents and to show who portrayed/performed best for each concept like for ex. 1st stage would be cutesy, 2nd would highlight vocals, could be ballads, 3rd would be rap or dance heavy, fierce and lot more concept to push them to their limits and not play safe - this way we would really know the full potentials of the contestants.. something like this - because honestly only few members' talents have been highlighted. And some people are confused whether to judge the stages based on the songs or the performance itself and it's really not balanced and fair.
Lastly, this may sound absurd but we have to admit that there's issue in voting because of the race of each contestants..
I just thought, what if the directors where given rules to form their group that would consist of half korean and half foreigners because believe it or not knetz may have foreign favorites but most of them will root for their fellow koreans and same thing with the international fans. So mentors better pick the most popular and talented ones with this kind of combination for their team to shine and win.
Overall, whether I think UL is not a good show or not. I'm totally happy as I was entertained all through out the show and I'm super happy with the debut line-up. I'll be waiting for their songs.
Just like bts was not accepted in korea but massive global. It just shows in ul. Global voted really is great factor .JL❤
Beat songs were great for me, its stays on my head even after the show, those kinds of songs gets people to listen. Mama mia was one of my faves and their finals songs
El Kepitan announced that they will prepare their debut song for Cha Woong-ki and AHOP. Stop the criticism towards him. He cherishes Cha Woong-ki and AHOP. He pointed out a problem with the evaluation method in the program. It is not directed at the participants. He is a person who could see the stage more accurately because he is a professional. Also, he saw the stage himself on the spot. You guys are making the wrong accusation.
Im a melody and Btob stan forever ... seeing Changsub trying to recreate his minis... hmmm i cant let him have someone new and younger version of them get the attention of singing idols... i kinda want them to be the only vocalist idols therein hahahaha... anyway thats only the second reason,, 1st reason is that i want JL and team rhythm win no matter what... among the 3 teams... their team is the best team and complete package for me... ready to debut... daisuke is minor yes but his talent is for 19 yrs old already...he is Male version of seowon in Unis...
agree, his parents supported his dream! who are we to judge!?
Jihun being the BANE of team Beat leading to their downfall
Bottomline: This is also a biased opinion. Well, respect it since it is your opinion.
Tbh as an avid watcher of the show. It is a bit unfair. The result was already predicted. The basis of the votes is the team where JL is. And also he's also the basis of who will the winner team is. He gathered 3M+ votes (only him, but the total votes of his team is 4M+) while the highest votes for the other teams is around 500-600 K.
Too bad he is talented.
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You said you're an avid watcher but I bet you only skip parts. It was never predictable, the voting system was different in the beginning. They keep getting 2nd the other rounds that's why his fans went all in only voting team Rhythm to secure debut.
And what's unfair with that? He got those 3M votes because JL DESERVES IT. That's why people see him as an all-rounder, right? He definitely proves it from the start until the end. He shows us how talented he is, how hardworking he is, his kind and pure personality, and how he help his Team in every performance. Not just JL, but all of Team Rhythm show the viewers how they help each other behind every performance. They showed us that they are already working as a team and how ready they are to debut. And not all the time they have the FAVOR or the VICTORY from the show! Even international fans got angry about how they are always placing 2nd for the 1st and 2nd rounds of UL. We also felt robbed because we know how much Team Rhythm deserved to win, but on-site audience obviously favoured that other team with more Korean members and visuals, they say. The winning of Team Rhythm is a fruit of their efforts and their talents. They worked hard for it. And every teams did work hard for it. But we who voted for JL and every TR member won't just accept accusations like this that the result is unfair just because JL got the highest vote because HE DESERVES IT. PERIOD.
@@aubreeey19satisfying ❤...some people disregards effort when it doesn't favor them.
In all honesty i have a lot to say about this show. imo this was the best survival show to have come out this year! mainly due to the fact that every other male survival show in the later half of the year were... quite upsetting in terms of outcome (don't even get me started on starlight boys lol). the franchise universe ticket setup, has become one of the more diverse ones on the kpop market!
with that being said, i get el captin's comments and can understand his perspective if anything. his team had been 3rd every single mission due to an imbalance of popularity. BUT the comment came off as a bit distasteful IMO. team beat just seemed overall unlucky from the begging, losing drafts multiple times and the entire team being unbalanced (as seen when woogki gets like TWICE the more votes in comparison to the rest of his team, meanwhile despite JL having a gap of votes during their 2nd mission, the trainees votes still felt more even in comparison).
every team had their 'P01' member essentially and I wasn't sure how they would go about that, it seemed like they did it to keep the playing field as fair as they could make it.
lastly survival shows will ALWAYS be set up as a popularity contest unless its rigged OR the mentors have more involvement in the lineup (like izna). whether you look at shows like the produce produce, girls planet, boys planet, universe league, universe ticket, iland, iland na, or any other show, the trainee with a large fanbase is bound to make it. so whoever didn't have JL from the beginning was always gonna be unlucky in the end with the system of the show. also with the variables of elisia and gehlee's success in their first show, and the ph fanbase being insane when it comes to voting made JL's debut almost inevitable especially with the popularity of TR.
with that being said I hope these boys pull a boys planet where almost all the trainees on the show debut bc there were many talented ones that got popular in the later episodes!
when u first said the shuffling letter izna my mind said sofa so confidently
Mine was "OLAF!"😅you know the snowman from Frozen😂🫣🤣
Nah its Team Beat producers fault for their trash drafting😂 A hybe producer complaining about popularity only over skills😂 Relax El Capitan
It's also a good thing RT won instead of Groove. Yk why? Because Kenta is having an issue right now about picking up girls while in the dorms and drinking irresponsibly. Couple of girls created an acct on X (which was already deleted) and posted screenshots of convos. Timing when Kenta posted on his X that his phone was missing lmaoooo brother had to delete it and deactivate his account. The groove team dodged a bullet right there, and FnF if ever thy debuted the GT.
Screenshots of convos are still on Weibo, under Super Topic of Universe League. I'm so done with him being a TOTGA.
Really? It seems if we see kenta he is not like that
Right move by kenta saying he lost his phone lahh no more evidence 😂
@@liezltan1887 they have proofs on Weibo, he also posted on X that his phone was missing but deleted it again after. Brother went MIA when the issue was exposed. He was posting everyday before in his acct.
@@butterfly-u7i true it was so funny. The whistleblower on X said another woman got ahold of his phone while they were together, and decided to expose the screenshots.
@@liezltan1887 whistleblower said his tears on ep10 at UL was also fake and she got proofs, but her acct and another one got already deleted immediately before she can show it. I assume Kenta's fans reported them. Good thing Cfans got ahold of some screenshots and posted it on Weibo.
This is thebest survival show coz its team work and also its global kpop so lets support the winners and we dont have a choice is to accept the ending no negative comments yaan na natin sila kung di nila tanggap so be it kz sa umpisa pa lang malinaw na ang team group na winner yun ang mag debut. Dun naman sa individual wala naman sinabi na individual ang sinabi first pick it means kung sino popular sa group kz un ang kukunin pala nila na isama sa debut kz 9 ang plan nila at alam na yan ng mentors cguro naman napagsabihan na cla. Kaya tahimik na tayo support nalang sa AHOP. Spread ❤ not hate
JL and friends. he will be the beyonce of the group:)
gurll same conclusion like wdym Kairi's not included to the line in every performance especially in my my my he ate that up🥲
please don't create another #X1,, I'm already heartbroken with them,, this is the second group I love from all the survival show I have watched before till now., Please let #AHOF debut without any issue., the only issue here is that Team Beat Director is somehow bitter of what happens to his team., But, I also wish those trainee to still continue to practice and debut in the future.,.,
Star Quality is important for an Idol and the thing is, it's a competition. Of course those who have star quality should be focused. Its fair because they joined to be an idol and they should've known from the start. It would be a waste to not focus on trainees that have high star quality abd just focused on trainees who have not that kind of high skills and no star quality.
All i just know is all participants in this show are they have own skills. But there's always saying "if it not your time to shine even you have all the packages, you not gonna shine". I rooting the team Rhythm from start to end until they became AHOF ❤❤❤ im so proud of JL 🇵🇭 congratulations and good luck to your new journey. And to say to all winners 🎉🎉🎉
I trust FNF Entertainment. So far, they're the best in taking care of their idols.
There weren’t any judges but directors.
tb pd being bitter just means he didnt do a good job being a mentor. imagine picking unstable vocalists at the forefront then openly showing disappointment, the youngsters would obv be discouraged. good job giving them enough trauma to write their own songs tho ig
that aside, this show is indeed rigged against tb (in order to progress to r3, they just gotta get tb to lose r2:
If we call it unfair, it will be unfair to the team rhythm and show but there was flaws in the system like, team beat didn't even had a single chance to overcome their problems, so i think producers should do some changes next season like
1) give opportunity to everyone, cause in this season some of trainees has very less screen time.
2) they should not eliminate trainees from first round, give them some time so audience can took some time to explore the trainees.
3) elimination round should be based on voting not the performance round, all mentors should vote for the teams unanimously.
4) before final round merge all the team and make them one team so everyone will have an equal chance and nobody can complain.
These are my suggestions and seriously 😒 i don't think that team rhythm didn't deserve it, they totally earned it but there were trainees who felt not right because they didn't have equal and individual chance but as a team.
OMG everyone! I watched the whole show!!!! And team RHYTHM really represented the true meaning of a Global Idol!!!
FYI, ONLY 5 ORIGINAL Rhythm members debuted!!! 2 are originally from team Beat and 2 from Team Groove!!!
Let us all moved ON!!!
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I love the team Rythm, so it's safe to say that I Iike most of the debuting members(not all, though) plus Park Han. The only thing that makes me upset until now was Changsub snatching Sirin and Rythm's coach not taking him back on the last trade! Sirin could have been one of the debuting members now, IF ONLY! A Thai rep could have been perfect for the group, adding more diversity to an already diverse group. But yeah, sure. They need to favor korean audience more to strive domestically so they need korean visual representative. I feel so bad for Sirin. Dang, he's not even the apple of my eye in the entire run of the show.
I know it is sad Sirin or Zenzen is not part of this team I love them both with their voices and humor. However, TR mentors ,especially Ten, were actually considering Sirin but due to lack of votes from live audiences and online he wasn't chosen. He keeps on tracking him and was like if only there was more support. So, they made a more strategic move to get someone hardworking, talented, mature (need to emphasize this because TR is a chaotic group that I like so much sense of humor), and popular (despite issue, I think it is an added factor for the success of group in and out KR). Nevertheless, I want more of them in UL debut to huhuhu like I wish for more maybe 14 if not 21. On the other hand, I am happy for the AHOF group hopefully they will stay as 9 members and after 3 years will add those members.
@sujinimori9549 I just feel like the last trade was fnf's memo. The company might have already predicted that RT's gonna win, so they snitch in a member they think that would appeal to the korean audiences. Besides, knets won't just openly accept and support a group with fewer korean than foreign members, just what happened to Unis. So yeah, I really think that fnf have done some final retouch to the debuting group. So many wasted talent in this svs. I probably won't stan the group because I can't with bgs, but I defo gonna support them, from streaming to voting, or might even buy their album if I happen to like the song they would release.
I wish the winning team selects 4 and 2 per team that didnt and one for people choice
Well if you think about it TR's original members are only Jl, Steven, Daisuke, Shuaibo, and Juwon. While Woongki and Chi en for TB and Park Han and Seo Jeongwoo for TG.
From the start of game JL is truly wow🎉🎉🎉
8:17 gangdong is my mood lol😭😭
What was the last sentemce? What the debut?
I wanted Kairi to debut too😔
AHOF-IZNA COLLAB WHEN??? 😂
FAIR!! JL is the best and Park Han
Who is el capitano
But i liked EL CAPITxn 🎵 💕 songs
That's trur
The show was rigged definitely.
In intercept round
Even the editing they make big deal for rhythm trade.
Like chih en telling oh this team better they are so great they remember everything in short amount while in reality those edits were after they were distributed parts. So many member traded yet those who got traded from other team to rhythm got so much spotlight over people in groove or beat. All of them from debuted lineup? For example, hanseo and heejun also got traded but did they show them being grateful for the team they are in or pointing out weaknesses of beat? No because they are edited heavily. And are not supposed to debut.
As for beat bench, they showed them thinking the choreography how the song should go. Which happens on first day of practice. Aka they were shown in bad lighting.
Entire show editing its always been rhythm glazing from start.
Even non relevant episodes, during holiday episode entire rhythm team got to showcase their whole performance while other teams got cut for some parts or even cut entirely.
Rhythm fans have so much time glazing rhythm bench prison performance because of vague changsub line also the prison performance of rhythm they cut so much vocals and the verses don't even connect. But are completely fine when beat bench loosing against rhythm despite beat having best performance even said by ten the director himself. But thats fine because according to online if its rhythm its fine but if its any other team they don't deserve??
Every team has won on onsite before. But online only rhythm?
Online were just rage voting for no talent. I still don't see why chih en and daisuke were even got votes.
Because of jl rhythm got votes if he was any other team the whole nation would've poured their votes in other team.
Onsite being racist comment doesn't even work because during represent round when whole team except juwon was foreigner rhythm still got highest vote. Guess that was also bad? No because it favors rhythm.
So yeah definitely rigged.
Do you even know the meaning of rigged? Good effort to be in the conversation though, bring in some common sense next time. ✌✌
You dont even know what rigged means . Stfu
They wouldn't rig it in favor of Ten and Yangyang when they are the non-koreans mentors. They wouldn't rig it in favor of rhythm when initially, almost all the members were all foreigners. Koreans will still prioritize their people. If they're gonna rig it they will make sure that the good members of Rhythm will be taken by Groove and they will make them stay there and form the best group under groove.
Rhythm won because:
1. their directors know how to pick those with natural star qualities and they were the top choice of most of those types of trainees like JL and Juwon (like Daisuke even cried cuz he wanted to be on Rhythm so bad and even Heejun who spent more time with groove still posted a pic of Ten along with his message for him despite the fact that they didn't take him back unlike Juwon). Ten actually also wanted Chih En from the start so he took him right away during the 1st trade. And he was right cuz Chih En showed improvement right away when he got into Rhythm.
2. The team members are given enough room to become self-learners and collaborative instead of being spoon-fed and too reliant on their directors. Ten and Yangyang reviewed their practices through videos when they are away and gave them feedback in a distant learning type of style but leave them to do the things they could do on their own. This built their confidence and teamwork and allowed them to be more creative.
3. JL and how he is grouped with members that have chemistry with him.
4. Ten - this is his 3rd survival show as mentor and although it may not be obvious cuz he seems soft and calm he is actually very competitive and can be calculated. He doesn't play to win battles but to win the war. He understands what and who will appeal to the audience and he went for it. Initially, some people criticized rhythm for having the least Korean members but he was bold enough to go for it cuz he's not only after winning some episodes but winning the entire game with the most globally appealing combination of trainees.
Gurl have you seen the full performance of line up rhythm vs team beat bench? Rhythm actually did better in performing ignition.
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