Chi Chi was dealing with a degenerative disease during the season. I agree she wasn’t at her best, I’m just letting you know because you mentioned you didn’t know what was going on with her. She mentioned in interviews that her mobility was limited and the cost to do AS3 because she know this was her last opportunity to showcase her drag before dancing became almost impossible. May she Rest In Peace.
This might be true, I'm sure she was feeling the effects by then... but All Stars 3 filmed in 2017. She was diagnosed in 2018 and didn't publicly speaking about losing her ability to dance until 2020. When she agreed to do All Stars 3, she had no reason to believe her ability to move was in jeopardy.
@@matthewlucas4990 what a ridiculous comment. So she couldn’t have been feeling the effects of a disease before a doctor told her she had the disease? Get out of here.
It breaks my heart to think that Chi Chi may have already been under the effects of the devastating illness that took her life. Rest in Perfection Chi Chi.
Honestly I could see her coming back for an all stars in the future. She’s gone back to drag. Right now she obviously doesn’t need drag race but maybe in the future.
@@Sleepylamb7 unfortunately i dont think Aja will ever be back, which of course hurts as she is probably one of my favorite queens from the show ever, but Aja was done dirty and deserves the best
@@LM11116 Well... I think that depends on the situation. For example, if Dela would have sent ChiChi home instead of Morgan, AS3 would have played the season just with their placements switched
@@NyanGiraffe The only time I felt pure favoritism was for Shangela and Dela in the Divas Live challenge they got the parts with the most comedy and it was very unfair to the girls and Shangela didn't even get choreo
Still think Bebe took off her Wig bc she said she hadn't kept up with Drag Race and from season 1, she associated taking off a Wig to be a show stopper and emotionally vulnerable move.
@@sana_fanboi You're instead buying that there was a conspiracy involving several ppl who managed not to leak a word of it, when they could have just given Ben the win regardless of what happened?
@@nicoboggs1517 Also Bebe took her wig off and won a lip sync on her original season, again removing it at the emotional peak of the song. And it was clear she had NOT kept up with Drag Race (and hey, she was working, good for her to be too busy for reality tv).
There’s literally only one challenge after Manila leaves though? Don’t get me wrong it was an awful challenge but it’s literally that and then the finale
I think Bebe would've eliminated Thorgy rather than Trixie at the Girl Groups episode, but honestly Thorgy in a top 4 on AS would be a dream so I'm not mad lol
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In the Kitty Girls challenge, they had to create characters and play them in performance. It wasn't a branding challenge, so Trixie and Bendela were the best.
Indeed. It was Girl Group Challenge. I totally disagree with DeLa in the bottom. To my opinion, Top 2 was DeLa and Trixie or BeBe. But it's your season DragDetective and I respect it ! Condragulations for all this work ! It was a huge amount of time I guess !😘
I mean it's a girl group challenge first and foremost. So I think top should go by performance. Aja and Bebe had the best performances with Trixie just below.
@@c.k.8585 Creating a character was part of the challenge, mainly because it was a Spice Girls-inspired challenge, which had distinct and specific personas, so that should also be taken into consideration, not just the quality of the performance.
Idk not to be the bitch but I really thought Bebe deserved her top placement. The level of iconic is far too much with Jungle Kitty. Was it an original character? Nah. But it was done in a way that was impossible NOT to praise and give it a top placement (in my opinion)!
If you change 1 elimination it has a massive knock on effect on the rest of the season as it’s all speculation lol of course it wouldn’t play out like this exactly
@@SeiomtOriginal Top 4: Shangela, Kennedy, Trixie and Bebe. Drag Detectives Top 4: Aja, Dela, Thorgy and Bebe. Bebe is the only person from the og top 4, that is in the drag detectives top 4.
What happened to Thorgy during Diva’s Live was a travesty. Beside Trixie who brought her own guitar and was asked to use it during the show, every queen with props were given those by the production.
I always love seeing Aja getting the justice she deserved on that season, I think you hit all the marks with her placements, and her being top 2 with Dela is SUCH a good storyline specially when they were somehow rivals.
Season 3 is hard because -the weird writing that they’re trying to make you think Trixie was failing in the start (she wasn’t) -the Aja of it all -the whole note issues with Shangie -Bebe truly coming back and somewhat harming her reputation
@@papyrusted in her original season Bebe was regel, fabulous and a fair but her whole interaction with Aja and on the Runway about the sewing was dismissive and disrespectful
@@thatgirlconnor dismissive and disrespectful? I dont think so. She just did not mentioned Aja when the judges praised her. The judges did not ask who helped you sew the garment.
@@fushidrashad9268 i mean sure but the implications was that she made the outfit. And when Aja came back and asked about the judging she was dismissive and essentially it already happened you have no right to be upset.
I only agree about Aja. I think you gave extra credit to Thorgy (not that she doesn't deserve it), but I think that you were kinda biased with her. Bebe keeping Thorgy over Trixie? I don't think, especially when Trixie did that good. I agree that Aja was mistreated.
I think there’s a tendency to discredit Trixie a little more than is deserved because she’s done so well and stans do overhype her to an extent. A lot of DDs critiques of her are very valid and I agree with them, but then they seems reluctant to really praise her when she did do well. Like she did so well in the girl group challenge and had a win, idk if at that point in the competition Bebe would eliminate her from that challenge when she’s against someone with no wins and a low placement. I liked Thorgys verse but I don’t think it would have been enough to save her over Trixie that episode. And in general they tended to place Thorgy in the higher ‘neutral’ positions (when she was in a middle placement) and Trixie lower ones. But it’s all personal opinions and we’ll never know what really happened bc editing, I enjoyed seeing how it played out (and honestly as soon as the decision was made that Dela didn’t eliminate herself then she was going to win regardless 😂)
I knowwwww, to me the video stopped making sense when Thorgy was kept over Trixie. Also, Thorgy doing better than Dela on both the girl group thing and the soup design challenge felt more like wishful thinking from a fan rather than based on her actual abilities. It's still pretty fun to think about how the season could've gone, but I think the Top 4 would probably be Bebe, Aja, Shangela and Dela, not Thorgy (if the producers weren't trying so hard to rob Aja, of course).
I feel like Ben still would have offered herself up for elimination so somewhere she would have told Bebe to cut her and Bebe probably would have taken her out instead of Trixie. Then everything would play out the same probably with Trixie and Thorgy being in the top in the acting challenge. Thorgy would probably win the lipsync against Trixie but regardless it's just natural at this point to send home the returning queen. Then we end up with a top 4 of Trixie, Thorgy, Bebe, Aja and if we just take the two with the best top record then it would be Aja and Thorgy in the top 2 with the winner being... I guess the one with more wins since they're both tied in this scenario of points per episode, which is Aja. That's my take on it at least.
I disagree. Ben didn’t have bottom placement originally, and kept winning consecutively, While in this scenario, not only does Ben not get consecutive wins, but also has bottom placement. So, I dont think we would get the Ben Delachrist moment.
Hear me out, Trixie would be number 2 to Kennedy for the bitchelor. What held her back was milk and now she has thorgy, Dela even said like she felt like she took trixies win. With a partner that’s better at acting and better in a duo I think she’d for sure be above dela because she wouldn’t be getting talked over and annoyed at the stalker girl.
Also from comments from Trixie and Katya, the actual bitchelor shot was quite longer and we got a fairly edited cut. They said that Kennedy's full performance was EVEN BETTER than what we got to see. So perhaps we got to see the best parts of Ben? Trixie was struggling to get any joke in because of Milk.
the only thing I disagree with is that I don't think Bebe would send Trixie home over Thorgy especially with Trixie doing better in that challenge and having a win
Assuming that Thorgy would do great in literally every improv/acting challenge is giving her way too much credit considering she went home on a improv/acting challenge on season 8
I do want throw a wrench in the whole “Bebe threw the lipsync” thing that everyone assumes when Dela eliminated herself. Had Bebe done what she did at regular bar, everyone would’ve loved it. It was an emotional song and Bebe taking her wig off just added to it. Not to mention that Bebe did the same thing on Season 1 which won her the lipsync. While I can’t guarantee Bebe didn’t throw the lipsync, I do think that Bebe taking her wig off wasn’t her giving up.
Not to mention the fact that Ru has made plenty of LSFYL calls that don't always make sense with the edit. They didn't need Bebe to "throw" the lip sync to call it for Ben.
you can add this in with the fact that bebe likely hasnt been keeping up with drag race since she won (ORNACIAAAAA) and dewigging yourself being a faux pas is mostly a drag race thing, so she genuinely thought it was a good move
The issue I have with the Divas challenge is that probably Thorgy knows more about Stevie Nicks than Todrick, but they spinned It into Thorgy being difficult.
I would probably still give Aja the top 2 spot in Snatch game. Obviously its hard not knowing what Thorgy would do but basically every queen bar Dela who did good in the snatch game before did bad so maybe she would follow that tradition
I mean Thorgy wouldn’t have much competition for a top spot on snatch game. All she’d have to do was be better than Shangela(who literally only played herself), the queens under Dela, Shangela and Aja bombed
@@styles2535 Better than Aja you mean. Shangela was nothing special in the Snatch Game, she had one prepared joke that got laughs that she forced in the game and that was really it. Aja did a solid job and had a superb runway. Still, I do think Thorgy would do well at Snatch Game. Heck I think she did as well as Bob in S8 but then kimonogate happened so neither Thorgy or Derrick even had a chance.
@@styles2535 Oh yeah, Thorgy would easily be better than Shangela. And really Shangela seems to be best with a script. She was bad at the improv challenge this season she won the improv challenge in her season with a performance she had probably thoroughly scripted, if not already performed and was bad at her original Snatch Game as well. Her best skill is scripted acting and performance.
Personally I hate that “whoever’s not in the top is in the bottom” stuff so I would love if they never did that again. Also, PEANUT BUTTER?! It was FREAKT MONEY!!! 🤣
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that feels that way. It’s a cheap and unfair way to squeeze drama into the last few episodes AND TRINITY SHOULDVE BEEN IN THE TOP 4!
Aja said she would have just made out with Ben during the kissed a girl lipsync, she was freaked the two missed out on what could have been a reaaly iconic moment
It’s so obvious you don’t favor shangela or dela when you place them lower or bottom for challenges they actually did over Thorgy in a make believe scenario. I almost stopped watching when I reached the Soup Can/Studio 54 episode, but continued till the end just to see the outcome. Yes, I agree that Dela would have won if she didn’t self eliminate herself. And don’t get me wrong, I love Thorgy and her career, but I believe that putting her in top in almost every challenge in a make believe scenario was weird. But was interesting to watch
Yeah I agree. I think even for snatch game they would of eliminated Trixie and not Kennedy. I think they both were playing a fair game and Thorgy is real
Dela was hands down the best winner of the Kitty girls challenge. Of all of them she had the clearest character, a good verse and great look to pair it with.
Finally someone who agrees that shangela did not 'kill' as3. Everybody talks about how shangela was robbes and she dominated the season, but the thing is, she basically performed at a solid 3/5 for the entire season and the girls around her bombed. The 9bly challenge she did really well in was the one set up for her to win and the talent show. Shangela should of done great in challenges such as the bitchellor, girl group, snatch game and the final acting challenge but instead just came off as okay in all of them, a competent performance while others floundered.
Bebe's Talent Show is severely underrated. Personally the 3rd best of the week. Edit: AND Chi Chi's Patti LaBelle. Personally the 2nd best of the week.
In terms of MYLK as Celine Dion, I can say this: Celine was one of the last concerts I saw before the pandemic started. And I know for a fact that Celine does not over-accentuate herself and her movements when she's performing, unlike what MYLK did. Even when she's hitting the big notes, she keeps her body more natural and smooth. The most I think she does is hold her arms out or something, but she doesn't dance around or go crazy on-stage. What MYLK was doing, it was more like Lady GaGa, who actually gives a big and crazy performance on stage. But with her, even when she's doing her slower or mid-tempo songs, she goes over-the-top in a way because that's how she presents herself on stage. She has the big voice, she has the big costumes and productions, so it makes sense for her. Celine isn't like that. While she has the poppier songs sometimes (That's The Way It Is being an example), her physical performance isn't as loud or over-the-top as someone like GaGa. So no, MYLK did not give an accurate Celine performance by ANY stretch.
Have you really seen her on stage? Celine is known for hitting her chest, living her music and doing crazy faces and sounds. She also throws her arms out frenetically. She's kinda funny and crazy, I've seen her concerts many times.
Honestly, I agree. Looking back, Shangela did meh in the challenges. I didn't think she was that great and if it wasn't for the heavy favoritism of her throughout the season then I believe this would be the result
Hmm. I agree with most of this but I think you favor Aja a tad in this. Not in the way you place her in the challenges but in the way you talk about her. You said Aja’s look she made in the Warhol Ball was one of the best looks made in a design challenge. Choices.
I live for Aja and Thorgy as part of the top 4. Ignoring literaly everything, my ideal top 4 would have been Aja, Thorgy, Dela and Shangela, just based on personal preference.
Truth be told, Milk almost fell because her heel got stuck in the tambourine when she was dancing in the back of Thorgy's performance so both Kennedy and her should have been in the bottom. I completely agreed with the video in that part.
BeBe was actually my least favorite out of the kitty girls challenge. She didn’t really write a verse (when half of the verse is utter nonsense I call it a cop out) and her lip sync was off. Also the challenge didn’t ask queens to brand themselves to their drag personas. It was to create a Spice Girls style character. So to criticize Trixie for IQ Kitty not being “in the Trixie brand” I think is kind of a silly and unfair critique. Tbh out of the queens only really Trixie, Ben, Aja, Thorgy and sure BeBe actually accomplished what was asked of them in that regard.
To me the best talent show performances are the ones where queens show something you normally wouldn’t see on Drag Race. Performances like Thorgy, Gia, Latrice etc stand out for me because of that. Seeing a queen just sing or dance or do comedy just doesn’t interest me as much because you see that on Drag Race normally
AS3 is one of my all time least favorite seasons. I thought maybe I was just disappointed at the time because it was such a downgrade from AS2, but I rewatched all the AS seasons recently and it only reinforced my dislike for the season. There was just a lot of uncomfortable moments in the werk room plus Thorgy and Aja's eliminations were super frustrating. Not to mention the horrible twist and the fact that Trixie won without actually having a win the whole season. "Aw Jesus, gross" pretty much sums up the whole thing for me.
I feel like they were able to justify Trixie winning without a lip sync win since just recently Sasha Velour had won without any form of main wins at all. Trixie had done pretty good throughout the season and it was evident a few times she was being held back by certain things. (Milk ruining the Bitchelor, Shangela's fat suit "comedy")
Kennedy wouldve def sent Aja home, I wouldn’t want her to but Kennedy would’ve never sent home Chichi, as we saw with Roxxy emotions play a big role and I doubt she’d take into account Aja’s slayage thus far since she did mediocre in the challenge
wait. Milk not being #10 for the All-Star Variety show is _really_ telling. it screams bias. + i’m not being shady. just making a point, i guess? i mean to put the…paper doll…act(?) (again, not being shady, don’t know what to call it) above actual performances//displays of talent (singing, dancing, quintessential lip-syncing)?! really? seriously? i’m supposed to believe + accept that Milk’s velcro-ripping//paper doll thing is not only talent, but more talent//better than actual singing, dancing, gymnastics?! b|c Chi Chi’s wig was flat + her dance shoes were ugly?? i-huh?? even worse, audience reactions//engagement should not be a factor _at all_ since we have absolutely no idea how the audience actually responded to each performer. we only know what the editors//producers want us to see. we already know since they mix up the footage of the audience to suit their narrative. it could have been silent in the studio, w| not a single audience member blinking or breathing during Milk’s time on stage. but….you know that. your channel is about the manipulation, the riggory, exposing the edit. so…why mention audience response as a factor to justify Milk’s placement? this video is supposed to be about what it would’ve been like w|o or despite the editing + the video starts by….ignoring that//using it to justify a wild decision//placement. i’m confused, i am. actually…no i’m not. Milk is the definition of privilege. walking, talking, breathing, velcro-ripping privilege. the problem is, it’s so insidious it shows up + is subconsciously (giving the benefit of the doubt here) upheld//perpetuated even in instances designed to call it out. wild. + disappointing. :0/ RIPower, Chi Chi! you deserve better.🖤✊🏾
i do think this was spot on, much as i would still have liked to see Trixie make it to top 4. I was trying to predict your eliminations just based on your bottom 2/3 and got it right every single time. I think if all of this had happened, AS3 would be SOLIDLY better than AS4. also i love how you were basically like "fuck the voting, that was such unnecessary drama" and just glossed over not even having the voting in this lmaaao
If Thorgy replaces Milk in the Bitchelor, I think Trixie finishes top 2 over Dela. Trixie was great even with Milk constantly stampeding her punchlines, and she would have gotten in way more with Thorgy. Also Kennedy might have had one of the funniest performances in the history of the show.
I know you really like her (same as Jan on both seasons) and that's why you weren't able to recognize their Meh performance on the season, but I think Milk should've been in the bottom every episode she was on
@@highonsugar6273 i want ella to win so badly, but since kitty now has a win i think she has it in the bag due to the whole "show as prize" thing. The only queen that could carry a show on their own would be kitty (at least in the BBCs eyes)
@@hansbauer5997 Kitty didn’t really deserve that win though tbh Krystal did, like in less Kitty does really good in the next episode I don’t see her winning
No shangela was better than Aja in Snatch game. Aja just responded to the questions with famous Crystal Labeja jokes. Shangela was doing more improvisation by making jokes on the spot and volleyballing with Rub
36:12 I don't see how bebe looked really good, to me she looked like a kid threw every last Mardi Gras necklace on a mannequin and sent it down a runway lol
Kennedy would have 100% kept Chi Chi. You just didn't want to get rid of Aja which is fine but the reasoning doesn't make any sense like Kennedy didn't look at Chi Chi just as a friend but basically like her own drag daughter and we all know Kennedy don't give a fuck and multiple times that season said track record shouldn't be the defining factor
i think it’s kinda 50/50. Like honestly Chi Chi would probably just be like “send me home.” when she did actually go home, she had been in the bottom so much, so her attitude was basically “i don’t care, i know it’s time for me to go.” but who knows if that would’ve convinced kennedy, probably not, but maybe
Hmmm. I really liked this formatting for the video! I know it's not something super crazy new or anything but it just feels like a step up in quality. You're doing great bestie!
this was such a good video i would’ve loved to see the season play out like this. i feel like dela would’ve asked the top two to eliminate her in the girl group challenge though, it would make sense with her whole story line as it’s the main reason she chose to do that character in the first place
I just Googled Dela’s birthday to discover she is a Libran, which is totally what I guessed. She’s pleasant (even congenial 😉), calculating, extremely talented, intelligent, very concerned about fairness, and hates confrontation. Interestingly, she has the same birthday as Chi Chi, who contrarily to Dela, is always on the bottom.
Chi Chi was dealing with a degenerative disease during the season. I agree she wasn’t at her best, I’m just letting you know because you mentioned you didn’t know what was going on with her. She mentioned in interviews that her mobility was limited and the cost to do AS3 because she know this was her last opportunity to showcase her drag before dancing became almost impossible. May she Rest In Peace.
I had no idea. Thanks for sharing this.
Rip ❤️
Exactly, I'm surprised everyone continues to judge her so harshly
This might be true, I'm sure she was feeling the effects by then... but All Stars 3 filmed in 2017. She was diagnosed in 2018 and didn't publicly speaking about losing her ability to dance until 2020. When she agreed to do All Stars 3, she had no reason to believe her ability to move was in jeopardy.
@@matthewlucas4990 what a ridiculous comment. So she couldn’t have been feeling the effects of a disease before a doctor told her she had the disease? Get out of here.
It breaks my heart to think that Chi Chi may have already been under the effects of the devastating illness that took her life. Rest in Perfection Chi Chi.
I'm genuinely grateful that the viewers had one more opportunity to see her growth since season 8. Such a wonderfully charming and talented Queen.
I’m sad that we’ll never get to see Aja given the praise she deserves on drag race
screaming, crying, and throwing up just want her back
Honestly I could see her coming back for an all stars in the future. She’s gone back to drag. Right now she obviously doesn’t need drag race but maybe in the future.
Aja does drag, but in the ballroom scene only.
@@Sleepylamb7 unfortunately i dont think Aja will ever be back, which of course hurts as she is probably one of my favorite queens from the show ever, but Aja was done dirty and deserves the best
Aja deserves more, and her confessionals
"There's not much riggory on this season..."
* 50 minutes after watching the video *
Literally everything changed except for episode 1...
yeah but once there's one change it obviously butterfly effects throughout the rest of the season
Also the talk of favoritism in the editing of the season, and I feel like there is a lot of favoritism toward Bebe and thorgy in this video.
@@LM11116 Well... I think that depends on the situation. For example, if Dela would have sent ChiChi home instead of Morgan, AS3 would have played the season just with their placements switched
@@taylorgrimes4408 I would actually say there's disfavoritism towards Shangela in this video. But at least she beat Trixie this time
@@NyanGiraffe The only time I felt pure favoritism was for Shangela and Dela in the Divas Live challenge they got the parts with the most comedy and it was very unfair to the girls and Shangela didn't even get choreo
Still think Bebe took off her Wig bc she said she hadn't kept up with Drag Race and from season 1, she associated taking off a Wig to be a show stopper and emotionally vulnerable move.
I thought the same thing
nah im not buying it
@@sana_fanboi You're instead buying that there was a conspiracy involving several ppl who managed not to leak a word of it, when they could have just given Ben the win regardless of what happened?
@@nicoboggs1517 Also Bebe took her wig off and won a lip sync on her original season, again removing it at the emotional peak of the song. And it was clear she had NOT kept up with Drag Race (and hey, she was working, good for her to be too busy for reality tv).
She did that on purpose because she knew she had Shanglas name and didn’t want to reveal it
funny how one rigged performance against thorgy changed her whole trajectory this season 😭
I'm latw to this video but it would have made the season soooo much better
Just as production planned. They just didn’t see her for what she is
So many queens like aja, and thorgy were done so dirty, so I'm curious how this will play out
yup
I think people say they like AS4 less because of the double win and the lack of good challenges after Manilla gets Manilled.
There’s literally only one challenge after Manila leaves though? Don’t get me wrong it was an awful challenge but it’s literally that and then the finale
@@daniel6678 and the finale was horrible too, especially after Read u Wrote u and Kitty Girl being so good, superqueen was just… crickets
tea
@@Jamieswiftie13 Fair, although I didn’t think Kitty Girl was that great either lol
The double win was a mistake.
I could see Thorgy coming into Snatch Game as Stevie Nicks just to rub it in that she was still there and absolutely killing it.
It would be tough, but I’m sure Thorgy could pull it off better then the producers.
I think Bebe would've eliminated Thorgy rather than Trixie at the Girl Groups episode, but honestly Thorgy in a top 4 on AS would be a dream so I'm not mad lol
I agree.
And Trixie's performance on Kitty Girl was iconic. I don't think Thorgy would have given as good a performance there.
I’m am THRILLED to see that drag race fans are finally really giving Thorgy her roses 🌹
The instrument Trixie is playing is an autoharp, an harpsichord basically looks like a small piano 😊
It’s a lyre
@@CashelOConnolly girl no it's an autoharp
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In the Kitty Girls challenge, they had to create characters and play them in performance. It wasn't a branding challenge, so Trixie and Bendela were the best.
Indeed. It was Girl Group Challenge. I totally disagree with DeLa in the bottom. To my opinion, Top 2 was DeLa and Trixie or BeBe. But it's your season DragDetective and I respect it ! Condragulations for all this work ! It was a huge amount of time I guess !😘
I mean it's a girl group challenge first and foremost. So I think top should go by performance. Aja and Bebe had the best performances with Trixie just below.
@@c.k.8585 Creating a character was part of the challenge, mainly because it was a Spice Girls-inspired challenge, which had distinct and specific personas, so that should also be taken into consideration, not just the quality of the performance.
I’d argue that it was Bendelacreme and Bebe at the top. Bebe’s verse was fucking hilarious.
Idk not to be the bitch but I really thought Bebe deserved her top placement. The level of iconic is far too much with Jungle Kitty. Was it an original character? Nah. But it was done in a way that was impossible NOT to praise and give it a top placement (in my opinion)!
When duty calls, drag detective comes running
my new intro????
@@DragDetective plz don't XD
I love how you said this season didn't have a ton of rigging, then proceeded to have a top 4 that only included 1 of the original 4.
If you change 1 elimination it has a massive knock on effect on the rest of the season as it’s all speculation lol of course it wouldn’t play out like this exactly
2 of the original*
@@SeiomtOriginal Top 4: Shangela, Kennedy, Trixie and Bebe.
Drag Detectives Top 4: Aja, Dela, Thorgy and Bebe.
Bebe is the only person from the og top 4, that is in the drag detectives top 4.
@@BROProductionCompany in my delusion delas in the top 4
What happened to Thorgy during Diva’s Live was a travesty. Beside Trixie who brought her own guitar and was asked to use it during the show, every queen with props were given those by the production.
I should say that... Trixie at the talent show is SOOOOOOO underrated. Pure talent
Her performance made me check out her music, which I love
knowing that we could have had trixie and thorgy together for the bitchelor but didn't is my villain origin story
I can even imagine Thorgy as the role Milk had and literally it would change from tragic to iconic.
I always love seeing Aja getting the justice she deserved on that season, I think you hit all the marks with her placements, and her being top 2 with Dela is SUCH a good storyline specially when they were somehow rivals.
Season 3 is hard because
-the weird writing that they’re trying to make you think Trixie was failing in the start (she wasn’t)
-the Aja of it all
-the whole note issues with Shangie
-Bebe truly coming back and somewhat harming her reputation
Explain your last point plz
@@papyrusted in her original season Bebe was regel, fabulous and a fair but her whole interaction with Aja and on the Runway about the sewing was dismissive and disrespectful
@@thatgirlconnor dismissive and disrespectful? I dont think so. She just did not mentioned Aja when the judges praised her. The judges did not ask who helped you sew the garment.
@@fushidrashad9268 i mean sure but the implications was that she made the outfit. And when Aja came back and asked about the judging she was dismissive and essentially it already happened you have no right to be upset.
@@fushidrashad9268 thats disrepect..
living for that Thorgy and Aja in this imaginary season
girl was really fighting for her life to save aja and thorgy in this...
I wouldn’t be surprised if you eventually do every season because none of them except maybe season 9 are judged completely fairly
that's the plan!!
Season 9 wasn’t judged completely fairly but it’s understandable because it’s mostly up to personal opinion and everyone did well in most challenge
@@noahsmall9026 yeah I would’ve probably changed the top placements for the snatch game but thats only because so many people did good
i would change the makeover placements, sasha should’ve won and peppermint should’ve been low
So far, Canada season 2 has been judged completely fair too imo
I only agree about Aja. I think you gave extra credit to Thorgy (not that she doesn't deserve it), but I think that you were kinda biased with her. Bebe keeping Thorgy over Trixie? I don't think, especially when Trixie did that good. I agree that Aja was mistreated.
I think there’s a tendency to discredit Trixie a little more than is deserved because she’s done so well and stans do overhype her to an extent. A lot of DDs critiques of her are very valid and I agree with them, but then they seems reluctant to really praise her when she did do well. Like she did so well in the girl group challenge and had a win, idk if at that point in the competition Bebe would eliminate her from that challenge when she’s against someone with no wins and a low placement. I liked Thorgys verse but I don’t think it would have been enough to save her over Trixie that episode. And in general they tended to place Thorgy in the higher ‘neutral’ positions (when she was in a middle placement) and Trixie lower ones. But it’s all personal opinions and we’ll never know what really happened bc editing, I enjoyed seeing how it played out (and honestly as soon as the decision was made that Dela didn’t eliminate herself then she was going to win regardless 😂)
I knowwwww, to me the video stopped making sense when Thorgy was kept over Trixie. Also, Thorgy doing better than Dela on both the girl group thing and the soup design challenge felt more like wishful thinking from a fan rather than based on her actual abilities.
It's still pretty fun to think about how the season could've gone, but I think the Top 4 would probably be Bebe, Aja, Shangela and Dela, not Thorgy (if the producers weren't trying so hard to rob Aja, of course).
I feel like Ben still would have offered herself up for elimination so somewhere she would have told Bebe to cut her and Bebe probably would have taken her out instead of Trixie. Then everything would play out the same probably with Trixie and Thorgy being in the top in the acting challenge. Thorgy would probably win the lipsync against Trixie but regardless it's just natural at this point to send home the returning queen. Then we end up with a top 4 of Trixie, Thorgy, Bebe, Aja and if we just take the two with the best top record then it would be Aja and Thorgy in the top 2 with the winner being... I guess the one with more wins since they're both tied in this scenario of points per episode, which is Aja. That's my take on it at least.
I disagree. Ben didn’t have bottom placement originally, and kept winning consecutively, While in this scenario, not only does Ben not get consecutive wins, but also has bottom placement. So, I dont think we would get the Ben Delachrist moment.
had a rough day and cannot wait to watch this for 50 and relax
hope tomorrow is better ❤️
@@DragDetective me too 🧡
this legit just got me sad again that we won't witness Thorgy in any of these challenges
Hear me out, Trixie would be number 2 to Kennedy for the bitchelor. What held her back was milk and now she has thorgy, Dela even said like she felt like she took trixies win. With a partner that’s better at acting and better in a duo I think she’d for sure be above dela because she wouldn’t be getting talked over and annoyed at the stalker girl.
Also from comments from Trixie and Katya, the actual bitchelor shot was quite longer and we got a fairly edited cut. They said that Kennedy's full performance was EVEN BETTER than what we got to see. So perhaps we got to see the best parts of Ben? Trixie was struggling to get any joke in because of Milk.
Okay sending Trixie home on an episode she should've won, I AM OFFENDED
I will never get over Aja unsheathing a sword, that matched her outfit mind you, and then just throwing it off the stage. She really was so chaotic
the only thing I disagree with is that I don't think Bebe would send Trixie home over Thorgy especially with Trixie doing better in that challenge and having a win
Assuming that Thorgy would do great in literally every improv/acting challenge is giving her way too much credit considering she went home on a improv/acting challenge on season 8
I do want throw a wrench in the whole “Bebe threw the lipsync” thing that everyone assumes when Dela eliminated herself.
Had Bebe done what she did at regular bar, everyone would’ve loved it. It was an emotional song and Bebe taking her wig off just added to it. Not to mention that Bebe did the same thing on Season 1 which won her the lipsync. While I can’t guarantee Bebe didn’t throw the lipsync, I do think that Bebe taking her wig off wasn’t her giving up.
Not to mention the fact that Ru has made plenty of LSFYL calls that don't always make sense with the edit. They didn't need Bebe to "throw" the lip sync to call it for Ben.
you can add this in with the fact that bebe likely hasnt been keeping up with drag race since she won (ORNACIAAAAA) and dewigging yourself being a faux pas is mostly a drag race thing, so she genuinely thought it was a good move
The issue I have with the Divas challenge is that probably Thorgy knows more about Stevie Nicks than Todrick, but they spinned It into Thorgy being difficult.
I would probably still give Aja the top 2 spot in Snatch game. Obviously its hard not knowing what Thorgy would do but basically every queen bar Dela who did good in the snatch game before did bad so maybe she would follow that tradition
I mean Thorgy wouldn’t have much competition for a top spot on snatch game. All she’d have to do was be better than Shangela(who literally only played herself), the queens under Dela, Shangela and Aja bombed
@@styles2535 Better than Aja you mean. Shangela was nothing special in the Snatch Game, she had one prepared joke that got laughs that she forced in the game and that was really it. Aja did a solid job and had a superb runway. Still, I do think Thorgy would do well at Snatch Game. Heck I think she did as well as Bob in S8 but then kimonogate happened so neither Thorgy or Derrick even had a chance.
@@c.k.8585 yeah, Aja would be the only competition for a top 2 spot, I was talking more top 3(so a high placement)
@@styles2535 Oh yeah, Thorgy would easily be better than Shangela. And really Shangela seems to be best with a script. She was bad at the improv challenge this season she won the improv challenge in her season with a performance she had probably thoroughly scripted, if not already performed and was bad at her original Snatch Game as well. Her best skill is scripted acting and performance.
All Stars 4 is such an underrated season, its only bad in the last 2 eps
very that!!
The last two episodes are dreadful, but the first 7 episodes are honestly pretty good.
@@DragDetective you should keep the ranking system, it feels more smooth
Ye it has one of the best casts ever
the format of this video, the ranking and basing placements and everything, is EVERYTHING. please continue using this
Personally I hate that “whoever’s not in the top is in the bottom” stuff so I would love if they never did that again. Also, PEANUT BUTTER?! It was FREAKT MONEY!!! 🤣
They literally sound the same so we can’t really blame them
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that feels that way. It’s a cheap and unfair way to squeeze drama into the last few episodes AND TRINITY SHOULDVE BEEN IN THE TOP 4!
@@herefortheshrimp1469 Trinity?
43:40 we just gonna ignore the fact that Dela wanted to go home this episode and would probably have asked BeBe to send her home
One year later i still stand by this
So basically the only challenge thorgy would do bad on this season is the one she went home on?
Shocked that the riggery of CDR isn’t out yet
same
its honestly one of my favorite seasons and i really wanna see that video lol
I love how biased these without riggery videos are hahahah
i love the drag detective, but I find it so funny that his unrigging of any season is just rigging it for his favorite queens😭😭😭😭
Omg! Just realized Shangela is the comeback queen again haha, she’s back back back back again
Aja said she would have just made out with Ben during the kissed a girl lipsync, she was freaked the two missed out on what could have been a reaaly iconic moment
dang! that really would've been an amazing performance
Seeing that the video was 49:37 long brought me joy. As always, thank you for the dissection, Detective
It’s so obvious you don’t favor shangela or dela when you place them lower or bottom for challenges they actually did over Thorgy in a make believe scenario. I almost stopped watching when I reached the Soup Can/Studio 54 episode, but continued till the end just to see the outcome. Yes, I agree that Dela would have won if she didn’t self eliminate herself. And don’t get me wrong, I love Thorgy and her career, but I believe that putting her in top in almost every challenge in a make believe scenario was weird. But was interesting to watch
Exactly !!! Top two most certainly would have been Dela & Shangela like it was basically most of the season 😭
Yeah I agree. I think even for snatch game they would of eliminated Trixie and not Kennedy. I think they both were playing a fair game and Thorgy is real
For the soup can episode, I think Thorgy would of been in the bottom
Dela was hands down the best winner of the Kitty girls challenge. Of all of them she had the clearest character, a good verse and great look to pair it with.
Finally someone who agrees that shangela did not 'kill' as3. Everybody talks about how shangela was robbes and she dominated the season, but the thing is, she basically performed at a solid 3/5 for the entire season and the girls around her bombed. The 9bly challenge she did really well in was the one set up for her to win and the talent show. Shangela should of done great in challenges such as the bitchellor, girl group, snatch game and the final acting challenge but instead just came off as okay in all of them, a competent performance while others floundered.
Wow...you really took some liberties with how well Thorgy was gonna do...
Bebe's Talent Show is severely underrated. Personally the 3rd best of the week.
Edit: AND Chi Chi's Patti LaBelle. Personally the 2nd best of the week.
Is there any black queens left to butter up?
@@cathyurine2894 Yes Eureka + Trinity The Tuck 😍
@@cathyurine2894 + Bebe was the 3rd best of the week...
@@cathyurine2894 Yikes.
@@hellothere4629 bebe's talent show was 3rd of the week??? lmao except Aja, dela, thorgy and shangela bebe was winner of that ep exactly XD
In terms of MYLK as Celine Dion, I can say this: Celine was one of the last concerts I saw before the pandemic started. And I know for a fact that Celine does not over-accentuate herself and her movements when she's performing, unlike what MYLK did. Even when she's hitting the big notes, she keeps her body more natural and smooth. The most I think she does is hold her arms out or something, but she doesn't dance around or go crazy on-stage. What MYLK was doing, it was more like Lady GaGa, who actually gives a big and crazy performance on stage. But with her, even when she's doing her slower or mid-tempo songs, she goes over-the-top in a way because that's how she presents herself on stage. She has the big voice, she has the big costumes and productions, so it makes sense for her. Celine isn't like that. While she has the poppier songs sometimes (That's The Way It Is being an example), her physical performance isn't as loud or over-the-top as someone like GaGa. So no, MYLK did not give an accurate Celine performance by ANY stretch.
Have you really seen her on stage?
Celine is known for hitting her chest, living her music and doing crazy faces and sounds. She also throws her arms out frenetically. She's kinda funny and crazy, I've seen her concerts many times.
Now I don’t trust either of u
I love how chill your voice is, definitely could listen to you narrate drag race episodes all day.
46:12 I think the song was Freaky Money, not Peanut Butter (that was AS4) but great video as always :)
The fact that you also robbed Shangela is the Rigga Morris of riggory I never knew could exist.
I know this is old but Aja did say she was going to send home her biggest competition lol
Honestly, I agree. Looking back, Shangela did meh in the challenges. I didn't think she was that great and if it wasn't for the heavy favoritism of her throughout the season then I believe this would be the result
Hmm. I agree with most of this but I think you favor Aja a tad in this. Not in the way you place her in the challenges but in the way you talk about her. You said Aja’s look she made in the Warhol Ball was one of the best looks made in a design challenge. Choices.
Trixie did so much better
That's your opinion and it's his video.
I agree! I think for the soup can Trixie and Bebe should of been top 2 while Thorgy/ Shangela bottom
I live for Aja and Thorgy as part of the top 4. Ignoring literaly everything, my ideal top 4 would have been Aja, Thorgy, Dela and Shangela, just based on personal preference.
Season 3 had so many design challenges Shangela really said "Enough." with that Disco Ball.
Aja said pretty recently that her two faves to win AS3 were herself and Dela so even if she didn't like her she'd definitely have kept her
Truth be told, Milk almost fell because her heel got stuck in the tambourine when she was dancing in the back of Thorgy's performance so both Kennedy and her should have been in the bottom. I completely agreed with the video in that part.
BeBe was actually my least favorite out of the kitty girls challenge. She didn’t really write a verse (when half of the verse is utter nonsense I call it a cop out) and her lip sync was off.
Also the challenge didn’t ask queens to brand themselves to their drag personas. It was to create a Spice Girls style character. So to criticize Trixie for IQ Kitty not being “in the Trixie brand” I think is kind of a silly and unfair critique. Tbh out of the queens only really Trixie, Ben, Aja, Thorgy and sure BeBe actually accomplished what was asked of them in that regard.
To me the best talent show performances are the ones where queens show something you normally wouldn’t see on Drag Race. Performances like Thorgy, Gia, Latrice etc stand out for me because of that. Seeing a queen just sing or dance or do comedy just doesn’t interest me as much because you see that on Drag Race normally
AS3 is one of my all time least favorite seasons. I thought maybe I was just disappointed at the time because it was such a downgrade from AS2, but I rewatched all the AS seasons recently and it only reinforced my dislike for the season. There was just a lot of uncomfortable moments in the werk room plus Thorgy and Aja's eliminations were super frustrating. Not to mention the horrible twist and the fact that Trixie won without actually having a win the whole season. "Aw Jesus, gross" pretty much sums up the whole thing for me.
I feel like they were able to justify Trixie winning without a lip sync win since just recently Sasha Velour had won without any form of main wins at all. Trixie had done pretty good throughout the season and it was evident a few times she was being held back by certain things. (Milk ruining the Bitchelor, Shangela's fat suit "comedy")
Literally I want from a future all stars, is Thorgy getting the credit she deserves and being ATLEAST top 4.
Shangela coming back AGAIN is just so on brand 🤣
I will never understand how Kennedy wasn’t able to learn the words “charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent”
Kennedy wouldve def sent Aja home, I wouldn’t want her to but Kennedy would’ve never sent home Chichi, as we saw with Roxxy emotions play a big role and I doubt she’d take into account Aja’s slayage thus far since she did mediocre in the challenge
You always put so much incredible thought into your videos, I always come RUNNING when you post!! Thank you for your amazing content
wait. Milk not being #10 for the All-Star Variety show is _really_ telling. it screams bias. + i’m not being shady. just making a point, i guess? i mean to put the…paper doll…act(?) (again, not being shady, don’t know what to call it) above actual performances//displays of talent (singing, dancing, quintessential lip-syncing)?! really? seriously?
i’m supposed to believe + accept that Milk’s velcro-ripping//paper doll thing is not only talent, but more talent//better than actual singing, dancing, gymnastics?! b|c Chi Chi’s wig was flat + her dance shoes were ugly?? i-huh??
even worse, audience reactions//engagement should not be a factor _at all_ since we have absolutely no idea how the audience actually responded to each performer. we only know what the editors//producers want us to see. we already know since they mix up the footage of the audience to suit their narrative. it could have been silent in the studio, w| not a single audience member blinking or breathing during Milk’s time on stage.
but….you know that. your channel is about the manipulation, the riggory, exposing the edit. so…why mention audience response as a factor to justify Milk’s placement? this video is supposed to be about what it would’ve been like w|o or despite the editing + the video starts by….ignoring that//using it to justify a wild decision//placement.
i’m confused, i am. actually…no i’m not. Milk is the definition of privilege. walking, talking, breathing, velcro-ripping privilege. the problem is, it’s so insidious it shows up + is subconsciously (giving the benefit of the doubt here) upheld//perpetuated even in instances designed to call it out.
wild. + disappointing. :0/
RIPower, Chi Chi! you deserve better.🖤✊🏾
i do think this was spot on, much as i would still have liked to see Trixie make it to top 4. I was trying to predict your eliminations just based on your bottom 2/3 and got it right every single time. I think if all of this had happened, AS3 would be SOLIDLY better than AS4.
also i love how you were basically like "fuck the voting, that was such unnecessary drama" and just glossed over not even having the voting in this lmaaao
This is rigged for AJA & THORGY to be in the top 4 is worse than the actual reality
If Thorgy replaces Milk in the Bitchelor, I think Trixie finishes top 2 over Dela. Trixie was great even with Milk constantly stampeding her punchlines, and she would have gotten in way more with Thorgy. Also Kennedy might have had one of the funniest performances in the history of the show.
I know you really like her (same as Jan on both seasons) and that's why you weren't able to recognize their Meh performance on the season, but I think Milk should've been in the bottom every episode she was on
Not trying to be hateful, but this video is more like "what if Aja did better than she actually did" than "how all stars 3 should have went"
I really wanted to see Thorgy slaying more the season!
Your thorgy/Aja preference is showing!
Waiting for uk season 3 to end so I can watch your video on it
waiting for uk3 to end period 😩
@@DragDetective so true, just crown Ella already
@@highonsugar6273 i want ella to win so badly, but since kitty now has a win i think she has it in the bag due to the whole "show as prize" thing. The only queen that could carry a show on their own would be kitty (at least in the BBCs eyes)
@@hansbauer5997 Kitty didn’t really deserve that win though tbh Krystal did, like in less Kitty does really good in the next episode I don’t see her winning
This video has been haunting me all night.! I couldn't sleep... Thinking about the way you dragged Thorgy to the finale girl 😂😂😂
idk if it was just me but at 48:05, when u said "i mean, is there ANY OTHER?" you sounded almost exactly like Dela omg
No shangela was better than Aja in Snatch game. Aja just responded to the questions with famous Crystal Labeja jokes. Shangela was doing more improvisation by making jokes on the spot and volleyballing with Rub
I've been waiting for this video since AS3. Thank you doing this. ❤️💜
0:25
'this season didnt have a ton of rigging'
almost a fifty minute long video xx
the fact you put kennedy 6th in the talent show is all i need to know about this video is gonna go✋🏼🙄
Im sorry, Aja…well, ok…. but Thorgy going that far out of your literal imagination? No.
36:12 I don't see how bebe looked really good, to me she looked like a kid threw every last Mardi Gras necklace on a mannequin and sent it down a runway lol
so excited for AS4 and AS5 videos!
Kennedy would have 100% kept Chi Chi. You just didn't want to get rid of Aja which is fine but the reasoning doesn't make any sense like Kennedy didn't look at Chi Chi just as a friend but basically like her own drag daughter and we all know Kennedy don't give a fuck and multiple times that season said track record shouldn't be the defining factor
i think it’s kinda 50/50. Like honestly Chi Chi would probably just be like “send me home.” when she did actually go home, she had been in the bottom so much, so her attitude was basically “i don’t care, i know it’s time for me to go.” but who knows if that would’ve convinced kennedy, probably not, but maybe
Hmmm. I really liked this formatting for the video! I know it's not something super crazy new or anything but it just feels like a step up in quality. You're doing great bestie!
Trixie deserved to be in the top3/4 for the first episodes, you ranked her very low idk why
Trixie was mid
This. This is why you are my favourite drag reviewer x
this was such a good video i would’ve loved to see the season play out like this. i feel like dela would’ve asked the top two to eliminate her in the girl group challenge though, it would make sense with her whole story line as it’s the main reason she chose to do that character in the first place
I just Googled Dela’s birthday to discover she is a Libran, which is totally what I guessed. She’s pleasant (even congenial 😉), calculating, extremely talented, intelligent, very concerned about fairness, and hates confrontation. Interestingly, she has the same birthday as Chi Chi, who contrarily to Dela, is always on the bottom.
HOW DID I MISS THIS
THESE ARE MY FAVOURITE VIDEOS EVER
I like the way you pronounce Melk
ugh the timing on this video, my tea is ready and my ice cream is consumed, let's go
I was with you until the Dela sending Shangela home bit. I see her sending herself home again at that point.
chichi being LOW in Episode 2 I was MAD. Rigga Morris girl, Rigga Morris. She embodied Patti 100%
17:39 "Not giving what I expected Celine Dion to give, it's giving Milk... right -Milk in the rap challenge"
I like to think that in the alternate universe Aja doesn't quit drag because she finally gets the praise the actually deserves.