4090 liquid damage repair
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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The way some people treat their cards... You'd think they'd know you can't put a leash on them and take them for a walk in the park. Some people though are special.
Dude I know… like money grows on trees.. I own a 6700xt that I got used That Iam pretty sure was mined on.. after I tested it I tore it down.. cleaned it and constantly monitor its health… I also have a rx7600 I just picked up for my tv rig and I constantly dust that and check temps.. I’ll tell ya Iv learned rdna 3 runs way cooler the 2
Not everyone lives in the USA and pay in USD. For us in South Africa, a 4090 is six months salary. So, we either get the card, dont eat. Or better idea is stay on an old card and have food. Basic salary is ZAR6000 -ZAR8000 here. the 4090 is ZAR32000 -40000
@@peternoone7902 Don't feel bad, highend cards are definitely way overpriced but that is just the way things are. If you have a Toyota Corolla budget (and needs), you don't go shopping for a Hellcat. Those cards costs about the same take home amount of an average adult in the US. Even with a salary of more than twice the national average, I'd not even think about getting one of those cards. Heck, the custom built system I bought for $1800 in Nov 2021 came with a 3070Ti when the video card alone was selling for $1400-$1500. You have to be smart when shopping, especially when you lack the funds.
Damn that repair was above and beyond. Great work.
The fact that this kind of channels does not get way more subscribers, shows how much we are way too comfortable with buying new things when the old ones are broken. Repairs artists are real and deserve way more support ❤
his channel has grown a lot in the last few months. it’s great
I honestly think "Repair" should be right there with "Reduce, Reuse and Recycle". So many things with just a minor damage are going into landfills, it's crazy wasteful and stupid.
Super dumb reasoning....most people are not that much into hardware and will look for fixes.
How many people that get their phone damaged or cracked go into youtube channels to see how it gets repaired, only the enthusiast.
This channel is a niche for GPU enthusiast.
The dude has fantastic skills and I watch his videos but dont expect the channel to blow anytime soon. Its fine as is
@@rx10 Did you just defend the self-inflicted ignorance of normies and called someone out for wishing that a more sophisticated channel had more viewers? You think this channel shows "fantastic skills", but it "is fine as it is" that he has not more subs, cause people should rather be throw their shit away and have no basic understanding of the things they and consume?
I call that super dumb reasoning.
Just got my 7900 XTX burning during a driver update, just 2 months after I purchased it. First time in my life I see fire getting out of a GC. Probably one of those wrong designs. This is how "modernity" is going to shit. I wish I would have all that knowledge to repair the GC vy myself. Amazing skills.
The AIBs cutting costs because nVidia charges them arm and a leg for the cores, same time dictating the MSRP and competing with them making founders cards. This is shady AF! Even my fav PNY can't last in that environment 😢😢
They just want AIBs to die
That's why EVGA dropped out of Nvidias stupid Game.
I mean they do produce the most important product on that measly board. If I was in NVidia's shoes I'd do the same.
but the real reason AIBs cheap out is because they want to make X profit per card and don't care what the consequences are to the consumer
@@iamdmc Spilling electrically conductive liquid on your card is likely to damage something no matter how good the quality is. Some cards have more robust designs which will reduce the amount of damage they are likely to take, or just make diagnosing the problem easier.
Not having soldered joints on the heat sink isn't necessarily a big deal. The cooler for a 4090 is going to be so heavy either way that you should never mount it horizontally (in a vertically mounted motherboard) without some kind of additional support, and you should never transport the card in the slot without additional support either. Even if it's the lightest 4090 on the market, you probably still need to always give it additional support, unless it's mounted on a horizontal motherboard (but even then you wouldn't want to transport it without removing the card first, or adding additional support).
I didn't watch the entire video, so unless there's some additional design flaw that he brought up deeper into the video, the quality doesn't seem to be an issue here. Spilling electrically conductive liquid on your card is likely to damage something no matter how good the quality is.
We should be picky about quality, especially with an ultra-high-end product like this. That being said, quality for videocards has generally gone up over the years, but sometimes quality does still go down too with some brands.
Personally, I have become very picky. I don't care about extreme high-end over-engineered coolers, I just tend to go for coolers which are above the quality of the more basic models, and I like to see independent reviews on the exact model before buying. Sapphire and EVGA both offered a lot of good quality boards without charging a big premium for it, but sadly EVGA obviously isn't making cards anymore, and Sapphire obviously only makes AMD cards.
Most brands make some good products, some over-priced products, and some products with design problems or quality shortcomings. Manufacturing flaws are also always a possibility, even if the design is perfect.
@@syncmonism yeah the new 40 sereies hard have such overkill cooling that no matter how cheap card you buy you should be fine tbh...
Clicked on this because I have a 4090. Aaaaaaand my case is open. If that liquid was a dog whiz, I better get my case cover back on before my dog gets that email! Thanks for saving my GPU!
lol. Keep the pc exhaust part close to the wall too.
Oh my god dude shut your case XD
I didn't understand anything about what you did but I find it interesting anyway, the problem solving is really entertaining to watch !
It’s such a shame to pay up to 2K for a card and the heat pipes are not soldered. You think your paying for quality but that the farthest from the truth. The past few Nvidia and AMD generations pricing vs quality/performance is a joke. Hopefully in the years to come something changes. I have a 3090TI (work) and plan on keeping it for many years to come unless something changes. I will not get a 4090 unless the price comes down and I find a manufacturer that actually uses high quality parts and good manufacture practices.
These repairs are just next level. Blows my mind watching this man work.
Having a vapor chamber instead of a copper plate is a huge advantage. I heard a rumor that Nvidia was thinking of making the 4090 even more high powered but then they changed their minds after the AIB's already had their coolers in the pipeline and that's why they're so overbuilt. Maybe PNY skipped soldering to save some money because they knew this cooler would work fine.
I've known people that were Stupid enuff to actually Piss on stuff to see what would happen! The results were extremely Hilarious😜!!
I think the title should be "so many broken mining GPU's."
I always find your fixes very fascinating and entertaining.
I have a PNY 4090 so it was interesting to see what it looks like under the hood. I hope nothing bad happens to it. 🙏
@boofygoofy3758 Where I live the price price difference is around 500usd for the strix. Not sure if that makes it still worth it 😅
@boofygoofy3758 I used to upgrade every cycle to the top card until I got my Titan XP. Had that for 6 years and it was great. Then tried out the 7900XTX. Had it for 8 months but they had some serious issues with VR. Somehow managed to get a full refund as it started to die and then I got the PNY 4090 instead as the strix was 2200usd and the PNY was 1700usd. I’m pretty sure the warranty is not transferable when you buy 2nd hand no?
I like how it's just normal now that anyone can easily make an accident and casually melt the power connector of a 4090.
Liquid damage, AKA a fat cluster bugger.
man i love the jokes you put in
Surprised to see only 14 phase for this monstrous 450w core. Great video as always!
No, it's about 300 watts for the core, the rest goes to the memory and VRM and PCB losses. Peak efficiency for this VRM is at about 234 amps. This is a budget card though. The Mid range cards have the VRM running at peak efficiency at 300 amps
@@retrofitter what stages are they using?
Awesome repair. Can't wait for the next one.
Thanks 👍
Never set drinks on your pc the horror stories I have heard why do people do it!
A good method is to inject the voltage e.g. on 12V, but connect the ground lead to a coil behind the mosfets. That way you can safely apply higher voltage and it won't run through the core.
can you share a video here to understand that ? please
ruclips.net/video/ZaxBuEYOkNo/видео.htmlsi=UWkWlD4ZvfbwQwa2
It was also explained in details on Learn Electronics Repair channel, one of the videos on short detection methods.
Evga come back!!!! It’s not the same without them..
Gotta keep fluids away from GPUS :P
I love all this sorcery to fix a GPU
Looks like he uses his pc case as a Mountain Dew cup holder and knocked it into the top vent.
Mr. Wizard did it again, 4090 saved after obviously a water cooler leak 😅
No joke, my cat actually pissed INSIDE my PC once. Sheet happens if you leave the side panel off....
Why 4090 are soo crappy?
don't coom on it
I have exact the same 4090 from PNY and I love it.
the card is way better than the 500€ more expensive 4090 Strix from ASUS I had.
I know the PNY is "only 450W" compared to the Strix.
But the ASUS had horrible coil whine and also noisy fans compared to the PNY.
Lol ik the feeling I have the 4090 gaming x trio tho the vapor chamber would be nice but truthfully not really needed lol I barely hit 70c on full game loads and that's with it vertically mounted I know this owner 😂 gonna turn over a new pcb after this endeavor and treat their card better xd.
probably AIO leaked
When the Coke Can strips come out you know some serious shit is gonna happen
wow that was a tuff 1 sir :)
To improve the statement: "The reason for these poorly designed coolers has been highlighted by EVGA as they exit the GPU market. Nvidia GPU partners are facing challenges in competing with Nvidia's Founders Edition cards, as they must find ways to reduce costs in order to remain competitive."
EVGA is the GOAT GPU maker, sad that NVIDIA's greed robbed us from future goated products.
EVGA RADEON baby, please.
Lower quality, increasing price = scamming the customers.
I MISS EVGA gpu's my go to brand has gone never an issue with their gpu's it would be a no brainer if they released RTX4090....who knows maybe just maybe they return when RTX5000 series come?
Amperage ?
What is this nonsense >
IT IS CURRENT not Amperage
Understand that AMPS is ONLY a Measurement of the Current
Learn the correct terminology
Was it worth it ???? Compare Purchasing a good used unit and cost of your repair ????
Nobody should be buying Galax or PNY if they can afford it. Both are super plastic-y, and not very well made, even with all of the AIBs having super overbuilt coolers.
Who wants to pay $200+ for an over-engineered card that may give an extra 3-5% boost to performance at the cost of excessive power draw and potential coil whine? Nothing wrong with PNY or Galax, they are great value for those who want to just plug and play without the frills.
@@humbleweirdo2860 I'm not saying buy a Strix or something (even if they are far and away basically the offer the best cooling and lack of coil whine). If you're already paying $1600 for GPU, why save $200 and get something that's proven to be far inferior to the TUF, SUPRIM (Both air and liquid), or one of Gigabyte's offerings - which are barely a $100 more depending on where you're shopping.
Coil whine has little to do with anything. If you're going to get it, you're going to get it, among the other variables in your system. Both PNY and Galax have inferior cooling, are on louder fan curves to make up for it, have bad build quality, and just general QA issues (sans melting) that shouldn't exist on a $1600 card. Just because something's a good value doesn't mean you should buy it.
Holly crap, 460W power draw and 440W through that small connector! Why they do this, it’s not like engineers are idiots.
Hi - what can you say about reliability of Tesla (the Nvidia Teslas - not famous inwentor :)) - The Kepler, Volta, Pascal , M for... MAxwell , Turing T4? Do people bring them for repairs - sorry but i havent watched all the videos ? Some have 2 cores/ 2 seperate (numa-like) nodes like a cheap used k80. Have anybody sent for repair a Xilinx Accelerator like Alveo U200, U250 ? U55C :)?
If anyone is buying a RTX 4090. Avoid these GPU brands.
PNY for cheap components, Bad QC, and refusing RMA for defective card.
Zotac for cheap components and Bad QC (they do accept RMA but do I really want to spend my time)
Gigabyte for Cracking GPUS and refusing RMA for defective GPU.
Therefore the olny ones that are good are MSI and ASUS
For MSI I recommend spending the extra $150 and get the Spruim X
For ASUS I would say get the TUF also about $130 more but if you can afford it then mabye I would do the Strix. (Also what I like about ASUS is that they will take coil whine as an RMA request and will replace it with one with little coil whine)
Can you make a video on how to check any gpu voltages on gpu board 12v 5v 3.3v 1.8v carefully
Wt 8:45 water conducts, components can absorb water, heat can cause components to steam up inside, with water absorption, …should be dried slowly….tap water or demineralised water which is none conductive???
Hello. I downloaded the "Mods 367 GTX 10.iso" file from your google disk. I can't install it with Rufus. Other files are ok. Are you sure this file is correct?
That written explanation of what you were doing was really necessary and it makes your video better!
How is PNY 3090Ti? They looks like Manli. Does it worth to buy?
Because men judge stuff based on size. Manufacturers just bump the size and sell.
Sorry for my ignorance, but the problem was that f... connector from the beginning?
You're Great!
amazing repair! One of the few techs using a preheater instead of blasting 1000F to cold boards. One thing I wonder - not really expecting an answer - is how much you charge for such a large job. Fair enough the 4090 is an expensive card but that was a lot of work! Well done anyways!
Unfortunately the cost of reparing stuffs went so high that most of the times it is more logical to put a bit more money and buy a new device instead of reparing the current ones. no doubt repairing things is difficult but at the end the cost should be so that people think it is worth it to pay for repair instead of getting a new one
How much and average do you charge these 4090 repairs? Thinking of buying a bad 4090 and having you repair it, but want to see if it’s worth it..
It's worth it 😉
@@northwestrepairthanks for the honesty.
@@northwestrepair*depending on the problem with the 4090! If it's a dead GPU core then probably not going to be worth it vs buying a new card. If it's a few mosfets to replace or even some GDDR6x chips then maybe worth it - just. However you'd still have no warranty on the 4090 afterward (from a manufacturer I mean)
If you're buying a broken 4090 just to send it to someone for repair you're retarded. That card was already at a shop and unless it wasn't diagnosed incorrectly it has a dead core.
Man I miss EVGA. Is all I ever bought until they left.
That 4090 seriously needs an undervolt. 400+W for a gaming GPU is in my opinion unacceptable, as we have GPUs that can play any game while pulling a lot less power
I currently have a 3070 my next Card will BE a 9070.
You’d think people would treat these more carefully given they cost a couple kidneys.
I am really enjoying the 40 series cards, and I really liked the FYI and captions! Thanks!
haha your humor cracks me up.. nice one.... like that one. lots of small details included. one day ill get lucky and get fired to. So much to learn even with advanced soldering skills and electronic background . it would help if I picked a specialty.. but i want to fix it all!!!!
You always seem to amaze a lot of us good work for sure. I would like to see you go more in depth on the builds of these cards with components and such to give us all Insite on to which are the better cards.
I have a 4GB AMD. Its having a problem of power connect, I remove it and now its not working at all
Can you please help me
How the hell do you get liquid on a graphics card that’s not liquid cooled 😂. It’s cool a lot more people are getting in custom loops, but they need to be careful. I mean, it’s a $1600 card, why were you not more careful 😂
The manufacturers get away with selling low quality parts for more because people buy these cards. What incentive do the manufacturers have to make better products if people buy them anyways?
Is 180c (preheat) board temperature safe? The capacitors specs says they are rated at max 105 celcius. I am always feered to preheat the board above 120c, cause they are has some liquid, and dont want to blow then up :D.I should test cap capacitance before preheat, and after preheat on different temps.
When I run the game the screen goes black and goes into power saving mode
Cpu and gpu temp normal max 72c
Anybody providing similar service for Europe Union? Without import/export tax, would be ok to send card to USA, but otherwise, cost is to great? or im wrong ? Great to see people like NWR doing such amazing stuff :)
This guy is truly amazing, and I was just thinking of course, because he has the right tools, until I noticed he used a cut up coca cola to protect the other components hahahaha
"how manufacturers get away with providing lower quality product at ever increasing prices", the answers kind of complicated, the simplest answer is because people are letting them get away with it but the reason for that has a lot to do with all the self anointed PC expert grifters on social media platforms like youtube condoning and presenting the high prices as normal. it used to be a real high end motherboard was around $400 at the most and a high end video card never exceeded the cost of a high end motherboard but for 90% of the customers i built computers for back in the day the average price of a good MB and gpu was about $250 each and the reason for that was people refused to pay more but that was before youtube.....
PNY has never been a reliable gpu vendor, but been a long while since I've owned one.. gtx 580 i believe.
I'm no expert but man, I just somehow wish they can find a way to reduce the power consumption of cards like that without affecting performance much.
Still using my 980ti classified and it's still a beast
How do folk manage to get liquid on desktop computers?
How can even graphics card end like this? I would never.
Is it the overclocking gpus that causes these blow outs???
i dont get one part ... how is possible 1 voltage injected get leaked through doctor mosfet and leaked 1 voltage ??? doctor mosfet needs a minimal voltage to get activated close to 12 voltage IN , doesn´t ???.. i dont get that part
Really like that you explain what and why you re doing in the upper left corner (FYI)
Given that EVGA is out of the picture, what is the Nvidia partner with the best engineered cards?
Jeesh captain, the board would not release even with low melt solder. We might need some way to pressurize the molten solder. Like that Philippines guy on shop fix channel. I watched him give back a graphics card to a customer and the memory chip he had used solder wick to pick up all the unleaded solder from the board but he left it on the chip. I think he never had a stencel or solder balls. The card then worked fine but might crack at the first opportunity.
im curious, is everything around the chip sort of feeding it and making sure it gives what the chip needs to perform optimally? and are the parts (except the chip) replaceable? sorry i have no idea whats going on but its very fascinating to see
Nvidia is over charging board partners so they have to cut corners to make a profit
i would appreciate if you adjust your audio recording db to -3 and boost the input volume. i can barely hear you, buddy.
Why is the 12 pin connector looking like it is being pulled to the right ( @11:48 ), it looks to be a good few millimetres from properly seated. Those 12 pin connectors really need to be changed for a better design. Well done for fixing the card, it really did not want to be repaired.
11:35 those artifacts are just, poor switch quality?? i've had that on my hdmi tv for a while and i thought there was something wrong with my graphics, good to know it's something else.
suspecting urine, its gotta be a dog peed on the computer, right? .... right?
because the price for a nvidia gpu is 80% of the actually card so they cut quality from some area
wait just a second O.o you can actually wash electronics with water and soap O.o ?
I dont like it when people purposefully put that much solder on thermal slugs and large pads only to leak out after. Like just try not to flood it and even a tiny bit works
How much does this kind of repair cost????
Tny gets away with it by lowering the voltage, giving you almost the same performance.
But then they where they aren't really good honoring warranties, at least in the last generation. So maybe that's how they get away with things?
how do you get liquid on a 4090 lmao some people have some mighty smooth brains or just too much money to care
Hope the salary is good enough so you can continue bringing these cards back on the road!
Nvidia should give their partners an option to use 8 pin pcie connector instead of that stupid proprietary connector
I enjoy the commentary even with the sped-up footage. Your patience with sich tedious work... just amazing.
i noticed your using < 1000w hot air station, is there reason for that?
KrisFix seems to have a soldering iron with a vacuum or something - I never see him using Solder wick
Considering how many GPUs you fix it might be a worthwhile investment? Also you'd have a lot less lead exposure since there is no premix step
KrisFix is using unleaded solder IIRC, so lead exposure shouldn't be a concern there. I'm not a repairman, but wouldn't want to go anywhere near leaded solder fumes.
@@szaszm_ yes but the OP NWfix does use leaded solder. That's why I'm saying the solder vac might be a better idea for him to avoid solder wicks and leaded solder fumes
@@iamdmc yeah I agree
Are these boards created in the factory with the same method? I mean by hand and hot air?
So, they thought it was a good idea to add her to a mental health board! Just looking at her would tell most people that is more than likely not a good idea.
I wonder if such water damage common among those cards
remember to clean corrupt part with isoprop ..
PNY again? I'll never buy one!
1 month for the power connector delivery :O
Insane and awesome job man, wish i had the technical skills you have to repair gpu's. There's literally no such thing in the UK.
when I stress I came here to watch your video.