Once Human - Privacy Policy
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- A classic Thor rant against disinformation on the internet.
There is nothing wrong with the Privacy Policy of Once Human.
Stop parroting Twitter and Reddit and read it.
Also, we hired the guy from Daily Dose of Thor and this is his first video on the main channel.
He goes by Sunder and will be creating Pants while Shadelock creates Shorts.
Sunder kicks ass and so do you.
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- Edited By Sunder
Hold on Thor, you cant just be presented with a problem, look at the evidence and come to your own independent conclusion on the internet.
Imagine if everyone did that? The horror!!!
What's he thinking?!
@axson8 Not just an independent conclusion, it's an INFORMED conclusion too. He use his past experience in the game industry to decide what to think. You are obviously supposed to only have opinions on something you have zero context for previously based on something some random person with an anime profile picture said on Twitter, Duh.
What looking at something then weighing up using knowledge my god man lol
I prefer to bury my head in the sand.
As someone without Twitter, I had no idea this happened.
@@Caffy-Pill-Softwario as someone with twitter, I had no idea this was happening
@@thebestoflads3783as someone familiar with twitter, I could totally guess that the hive would make something from nothing.
As someone with a Twitter, I had no idea this happened.
@@thebestoflads3783 That means you aren't following idiots
Nothing happened.
The truth is, Once Human documented their privacy policy in a clear and simple manner with cute tables and such. Other companies use 1000 paragraphs to say the same thing. Most of the Twitter crowd lacks the reading comprehension to understand that.
They usually don't even use 1000 paragraphs, they just don't put it in an excel sheet.
Im rather taking the bet that it was the first time someone read a privacy policy and everyone who doesn't read them as well just jumped on it.
Starting to think most of *Twitter* failed *School/College* at this point...
If they Cant even get this - Right.
Yeah, it's like these people never bother to read these, and now they read this one, and think it's some horrifying exception to the rule...when honestly this is exactly how all of these EULA work.
This... most companies use a lot of legalese garbage to hide their real meaning instead of being plain and simple understandable.
Also most of the "read, write, save" requests are pretty much required for anything to function.
They structured their privacy policy in a clear and readable manner which showed because people actually read it. And now people are upset because they are made aware of how privacy policies and eulas work instead of being oblivious to it since major companies hide the exact same policies under some million page document full of jargons and nobody reads that shit
"If you're gonna get mad, get mad about something real. Otherwise, you're wasting everyone's time, including your own."
Clipped. Gonna use this everywhere.
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@@sauvagess read this comment at the exact moment in the video that he said it, felt very spooky.
@@JohnTK That's how the youtube algoritm works. When you check comments, it'll place comments posted close to the time the viewer was in the video. Naturally, when he said that, I paused and scrolled down to type exactly that (and then make a clip like I said.)
"The general internet is so stupid and they're talking to each other and, as such, they're becoming dumber together" is now my favorite quote of all time.
Btw, 7:32 love that it says "Survival Manual" right besides Thor on that face cam closeup lmao
Terry Pratchett Quote: “The IQ of a mob is the IQ of its dumbest member divided by the number of mobsters.”
just read or play the Discworld games he touches on this a bit as did MIB directly.
@@dariyanvalentine3564....there were GAMES?
@@TheAechBomb yeah, the MUD of Discworld should still be running.
Yea.. classic point'n'clicks, disc world 1+2 on the playstation and pc back in the day following Rincewind the mage.
"The intelligence in a group adds up but the stupidity multiplies
People don't read terms of service from google, if they read it they would be crazy
@@kevinswb absolutely the Google privacy agreement and your cell phone providers privacy agreement are far more intrusive
At least I can trust that my data is secure on Google servers. That's not what people should be concerned about. If you go to the darknet, what databases can you buy? It's phone and internet providers, airline companies, insurance companies, and all that stuff that are legally required to take your ID and have no security.
Well, better not say the word Microsoft then....
@@dumant7975 first, I agree 100% with your second point....but your first point on your information being secure on Google servers? Maybe if your only concerned about private individuals....but post 9/11 everyone has seemed to have forgotten about privacy rights against government intrusion, and none of your online information, wherever it is stored, is safe from that sort of intrusion thanks to the sheer amount of data collected and the patriot act.
i mean ppl install vanguard ^^ :D
"If you give us this information, then we have this information from you" - "OHHHH LOOK HOW EVIL THEY ARE!"
It's just rampant Sinophobia. People have been brainwashed into thinking the Chinese gov't wants to track them even though it's actually p-nis enlargement hawkers.
That information you give to everyone that you ever did business in your life or ever bought anything, how cool.
humanity is doomed....
@@himmelblau2126 nah we were always this stupid. the stupidity just migrates over time.
@@lukefortune8314 Or the stupidity accumulates until humanity blow itself up.
I love that the editor decided not to go with the usual Attenborough AI narrator voice, but with Butcher from The Boys
I had to pause the video and make sure I didn't have The Boys opened somewhere. That threw me off so bad lmao
I wonder how Karl Urban feels about it
The amount of Steam reviews that call this game "chinese spyware" is insane. It's like this is the first Privacy Policy these people have ever read. If it wasn't, they'd realize that Google, every social media platform, and every online game they've installed has a similar policy.
It's a chinese spyware, it's just not a very dangerous one. But that's how every bad game industry practice starts. It will get worse and worse the more people accept it and then videos complaining about the "state" of the game industry data mining will start flooding RUclips when it's already too late just like complains about microtransactions in full price games.
@@SoulGuitarMetal How EXACTLY is it a "chinese spyware"? What EXACT "bad game industry practices" were started by Once Human?
@@FreelancerND You must have a hard time interpreting text. It permits itself to collect and send data to their serves, so it's spyware. When I said anything about it being started by Once Human? I said it will get worse and worse because more games like Once Human with absurd EULAs keep coming and people accept it. Once companies see that users are easy pushovers and accept it, they go full blow data mining to sell to data collecters for easy bucks. It was the same with microtransactions, multiple launchers, gachas, battle pass and every predatory game industry practice.
Just want to take a moment to appreciate how Thor has a "shorts" playlist, and this video is in his "pants" playlist.
Lol I like how he made it cannon on stream
that's because these aren't shorts (youtube shorts not booty shorts) right? I like the joke tho
thanks for pointing that out lmao
I think there are 2 main reason that sparked this whole thing.
1. China
2. They made the privacy policy too clear and easy to read.
The MSG is maaaaking my tummy hurt reeeeeeal bad.
you forgot 3 (which Thor mentions) people have started actually reading TOSes/etc now (which is sometimes good, look at what bullshit Adobe tried, that was an ACTUAL tire fire unlike this).
You forgot the the most important 3rd point:
Someone on Twitter decided to read a privacy policy for the first time in their life which made it noteworthy.
Just wait for them to realize that software always had been licensed and that quite a few companies shifted to charging them for licenses that can be revoked instead of licenses for personal use over the past decade - oh wait, right, people only want to boycott Ubisoft for their marketing stunt around owning nothing to boost their subscription service (and Im quite certain that they buy their games regardless not realizing anything on top).
The Internet is the Internet, at some point someone reads something and then all get mad for a month or so and disregard anything after either way, even if it's something they want to change and would technically be able to change by just proving that those methods don't bring in money - but for that they'd... you know? Have to actually not use those products and they don't want that either.
@@Unknown_Genius The switch to licensing is why we should always pirate that software. Doesn't matter what the developer says, if I pay for it I'm going to use it in anyway that I like for however long I like and they aren't going to do a damn thing about it.
Yeah, that first point of bending the knee to Chinas authoritarian government is reason enough not to touch the game.
I hate this about the internet. And every time you tell people: That's not what's going on. They just call you a shill or something like that in stead of reevaluating their position. Makes me not want to live on this internet any more, some times...
Because no one has been taught accountability is everything and disproving your side, is basically how scientists get stuff accepted and proven.
people are always reactionary without giving it any thought or looking into it- and it's an election year. RIP
Most of the time if you just stop paying attention to the people saying these things the problem just disappears.
Like, on one hand, good for them caring about the fine print in the eula! On the other, humanity is too dumb to justify having free will...
Honestly I'm more than happy to detatch from that part of the internet. I'm too old and mentally stable for dumb nonsensical dramas.
"The general internet is so stupid, and they're talking with each other, and as such, they are becoming dumber together" 6:09
Is good to see such cooperation on this channel. The fact that the Greek titan of time is the in house lawyer for the Norse god of thunder is really amazing.
People afraid of normal things, because they don't read and just believe twitter? ...Sounds about right for the current day.
My perspective is a bit different on this.
Just because there a reasons as to why a game company has a legitimate reason to collect said information, that doesnt necessarily mean they're only using it for the intended purpose.
For the government issues ID thing specifically, Thor gave a legitimate reason as to why, however, the broad ambiguity can also be applied for other countries too. Imho, they should have different privacy policies based on location. But that's just my opinion.
Folks have different threat models. I tend to avoid anything that could possibly get sent over to the CCP. That doesnt mean that I'll completely elminate that information, however I can try to mitigate the flow of information the best that I can to make it just slightly more difficult to get that information.
For that and other reasons, I'm not touching a netease game, and I'm trying to get better at researching applications before installing.
I think folks are just tired of the spam emails and letters, company database leaks, social engineering, and identity theft. I wouldnt necessarily knock people for trying to be more security-minded. However, I find it ironic that folks will get outraged over this and then immediately turn around and play Harry Potter or Dead by Daylight.
Well, people are usually afraid of what they don't understand.
Like in this situation: Privacy Policy.
Specially when they make their own assumption of the meaning of what is written in "Legal Terms"
@@underworldchampions5890 Oh, I understand. And Twitter is the most fear mongering place for that stuff - followed shortly by RUclips. It's honestly gotten out of hand.
Hive mentality is a real thing
I assume the missing "if you give it to us" is what freaked people at the social media thing, cause they didnt read all *shrugs* and the autostart stuff that people said exsists that stays on your system even if you deinstall, not even sure that actually is a thing
Pro tip:
If something is controversial on twitter, wait until it's controversial somewhere else before you care in the slightest about even getting involved in the conversation, much less needing to form your own opinion on it.
Almost everything Twitter complains about is a nothing burger.
@@alansmithee419 The problem is that some "news sites" pick up their stories from reddit / twitter, as some sites did with this particular issue, and then don't even bother to investigate or correct the twitter statements.
Second Pro Tip: Understand the twitter does not reflect the real world, real society nor real information and then delete the app. Speak to real people, surround yourself with positive shit over negative shit and be much much happier lol
So you're teling me - that the "million prosumers against thinner bottle caps" is dumb and not a righteous crusade? :O but Im maaaaad!
@@readwellwritewell 🤣
@@MoroDananAh shiii... Now I gotta go find something else to base my entire identity on don't I !!!
Huh, I don't have twitter, so if you didn't cover this I never would have even known it happened
Same
Same
I was very glad to not know about this
This is one more reason I'm happy I'm not using it anymore: nowadays it's full of nonsense drama like " did you X is friend with a necro artist?" or "oh my god, that guy has put a like on a SFW picture of a shota artist!" and all those things are usually years old.
It's like they're so bored they'll create conflict out of anything to feel some dopamine.
Pro tip : things that you would only learn on twitter aren’t real
This seriously reminds me of when people got REALLY up in arms over the permissions needed for Facebook Messenger when they split it off into a separate app years ago.
"Why does it need access to my camera?! And my microphone?!" In case you want to voice or video call someone, or take a photo within the app
"Why does it need access to my SMS?!" In case, on Android, you want to use Messenger as your default SMS app
Every single thing listed as it potentially needing permissions for on the App Store/Play Store had a legitimate reason to be there. Would Facebook also be taking as much telemetry and data as it could along with those features? Of course, that's how you're paying for the service. It was so ridiculous that even news channels here were stirring the pot about it.
This is the same shit, except now it's people who know shit all stirring it up just to farm engagement
While this has been normalized, these accesses are all opt-out and needs some IT knowledge to get rid of its tendrils. If they required opt-in to tell users who want video calls to allow camera/mic, and companies had never exploited people's data, not that big a deal. I disable a lot of "features" because I don't use them and don't want my data footprint smeared across every app. The current ethos shouldn't be normal, but people do freak out about basic things along with the more grievous instances.
Dev is Chinese and thus is required to be linked to the CCP by their own law.
Do you honestly believe the CCP will follow their own terms?
I personally wont be getting for two reasons.
1- the location were the dev is
2- I dont see anything worth playing for
I mean, the CCP sucks but to be straight up Sinophobic over it is lowkey nuts.
'A little lie can travel half way 'round the world while Truth is still lacing up her boots.' - Mark Twain
too real
Imagine getting your game’s success potentially ruined for industry standard practices because twitter can’t stop themselves
Statistics shows, that 99% of Twitter users are idiots.
Dude that happens all the time.
Right? There are plenty of _actual_ reasons for it to not be successful.
@@PhycoKrusk It's fair. I like Once Human but... let's just say it ain't for everyone, it has its jank and problems.
@@Gebunator As any newborn game tbh. I like it too, and I know it will just polish itself with more time.
These people be like putting their name to reserve a table in a restaurant and freaking out cus the restaurant now knows their name.
And those types people actually exist is the worst part...
"And what can I get for you today, sir?"
YOU WANT TO KNOW MY FOOD PREFERENCES??
@@ngwoo "what do you mean, *sir*?"
Nah, they're worse.
They complain about it in this particular case, then move on to the next game and don't give a damn.
I'm 100% willing to bet that these kind of people are the same that literally don't read the "you own nothing" statements in EULAs which explain it in detail, but then end up complaining if that game actually becomes inaccessible (at best it was a MMORPG or something along those lines to begin with) - just to ramble on about how it's illegal because they bought the product (as in games totally never had been licensed and they'd own every file on a disc, because they never read anything ever before and don't understand software licensing) and then go to the next title that has the exact same lines, not reading them and buying it again full price.
Thing is, you can give any name, it's just a tag to keep the bookings organised.
chat: "never seen you go so easy on a game"
Thor: "No. You're just fundamentally wrong with your understanding"
I myself am a huge privacy advocate, people misunderstand this subject completely in every way possible. Your main concern isn't someone watching you jerk it through your camera nor the government, it's tons of shared marketing profiles big tech companies have on everyone
"if you give us your data, we will have your data"
twitter: "FUCKING *WHAT*"
It would be different if they were getting permission to distribute to third parties, but thats not anywhere in here
The irony of which being they're using Twitter, which is basically siphoning information about them on sites they visit.
I think it has something to do with the fact that Zoomers have always had their lives uploaded to social media, and have never put in gofuck yourself as a first/last name on anything. They're conditioned to think that they have to tell the truth, and cannot possibly have burner emails or prepaid cards..
this had me dying 😂
@@goldenhate6649 they don't need to all the info they need is obtained normally, anything you link as as a google account means google is either having to pay to request any of that information if they want it for ads or they might get a small slice of infor they already have on you anyways.
Major props to Sunder for landing a role with PirateSoftware!
Lmao "Dumber together 🤝"
Got to love it when someone ask the exact question you just finish explaining in detail 😂 that brain aneurism near the end LOL
I think this is the first full length video I've ever clicked on for this channel, so good job Sunder and congrats on the hire! Keep it up
The other thing to mention is that just because they say it's being collected doesn't necessarily mean that it is being harvested. It just means that the data is going to cross the company's servers.
The general rough shape of data protection laws is such that a company is responsible for any data that they have access to for any amount of time at all. Like the company I work for, we are legally responsible for data even if we only use it to authenticate and then discard it. So we in our privacy policy have to let you know that we are responsible for this data at some point.
In the specific example, we offer social media authentication for your account instead of a bespoke password.
So we are legally required to tell users that we collect data from their various social media accounts. What we are collecting is your name, a profile picture, an email, and an authentication token. But with that authentication token we also gain access to a bunch of other stuff from your account even though we're not looking at it because we don't care about it.
But again, legally speaking, we are REQUIRED to let you know that we will be given access to it, just to cover our own asses if somebody ever tried to challenge us.
And just more generally you need to remember the TOS does not exist to allow the company to do villainous things.
In most countries, I know Canada for sure, Not sure about the US, The TOs won't protect a company from being villainous even if it explicitly says "you allow us to be villainous with your data"
The TOS exists to cover the company's ass in the event of a dispute. That's it.
Most annoying part = when the controversy runs out of steam and everyone realizes they were wrong, but will never, ever admit that or acknowledge the overreaction-- thus the process starts over with whatever the newest meaningless controversy is.
And the people who left negative reviews will likely never change those reviews
I mean, they probably do admit they were wrong, but you just don't see that because what's trending on twitter is the outrage, not the apologies.
@strangerinastrangeland3613 nah they just don't apologize or admit fault. It's usually grifters who need to farm engagement to make easy money
@@KlaireMurre Grifters alone aren't enough to get something trending on twitter, lol. Occams Razor.
@strangerinastrangeland3613 they literally are though because they have massive audiences. Look at morons like asmongold the quartering etc. Their audiences are large and one bit of misinformation can be all it takes to spiral something
0:14 Thor is canon in the boys universe confirmed. Will most likely be the guy in the chair.
I don't get it, is it because the voice seems like Butcher
@@detective_solar It is Butcher
@@derba77 Thanks for clarifying
They literally have to declare they collect literally anything.
Like a flashlight app has to declare its accessing your camera because its accessing the flash through the camera hardware. So even though they arent doing anything with the camera itself they have to say they are using your camera.
The problem with any form of data collection is that there are enough shady operators out there to cause people to assume the worst about everyone.
If you tell me what data you need, why you need it and above all ASK before collecting it, I will probably say yes.
Your second paragraph is literally what they are doing and yet people still go insane thinking they are required to give their government issued ID because their reading comprehension is so awful
I've seen people talk about this in the Steam reviews and I was like "How the hell are they going to get your government issued ID? Hack the government? What are these people talking about?"
Friend said "Ah no, lets not play that, i read something about security issues" then i remembered this video popping up and watched it and send it to him.
Thanks Thor!
Same, some people were out there claiming the game has chinese spyware and cryptomining software. It's quite funny how all these theories are batshit insane. XD
@@elementoflight6834 they change their mind?
@@doctorsno906 yes. didnt save me from not liking the game, because i encountered some weird bugs (players griefeing my base on a PvE server for example). But they seem to have their fun with it.
Ditto
@@Crazyd6666so what are the exe files eating up 80% of my cpu every waking moment until uninstalled? Just a harmless always-active anticheat?
“Fear mongering on Social Media is boring as shit.”
That’s the wholeeeeeeee quote. The wholeeeeee statement. Everything.
Thanks Pirate, I’ve been trying to distill my personal feelings about how social media is used for a while now and that is it.
Another reason. Why I don't (and never will) Have *Twitter*
I am a bit late to this, saw the short. Thank you for shining a clear and bright light via your competency on the matter of T's & C's on gaming kind sir. Appreciation.
I like it when you do clip content, this is better than watching a full stream, thank you
The average Twitter user typically likes some memes, music artists, maybe a celebrity and art account. Twitter enthusiasts, however can't actually read full sentences they scan for buzz words that fire off both their neurons to tell them what to think that week.
I had wondered why the Daily dose of Thor channel hadn't uploaded. Good for you man.
"If you give us your information, we're going to have it" HOW DARE YOU
I think it's hilarious how people freak out about privacy policy when they freely give Apple and Google all their biometrics, credit card data, financial institution logins not to mention all of their password/login information to literally everywebsite that requires one without any hesitation because remembering a password is just too difficult. You think someone somewhere with access to that data isn't slowly selling it to make a few extra bucks? People are wild
a creator who level headed and funny, earned a sub :)
Welcome to the team Sunder, glad to see your first official video!
Thanks Sunder, and PS for giving this person a place.
As a person about to be knee deep in negotiating my union contract for the next few years and being constantly barraged by my membership with questions about rumors started off of guesses based around misunderstandings thanks to no one knowing how to read a damn book, yeah the start of this video hit home pretty hard.
People not being able to read books brings me way back to school, I can still hear my teacher scream "The info is in the damn text" every time someone asked where the person currently giving the answer to a task got the info from when I take note of "controversies" like this...
Yup that's how it goes. I've taken to just responding to most contract related grievances with "did you read the book?" and most manager arguments with the same thing just relating to the policies and procedures manuals. Most if not all of our problems we see comes from people just not reading the damn rules books.
@@KILLRAIN42 True, not even mentioning people making up new rules/laws, e.g. the amount of times I've told people to actually look up the laws in the recent discussions of revocable licensing isn't even funny anymore, it's just "I accept it" without reading anything, then later down realizing it and trying to spin it the way they want it to be is actually insane. But I've already noticed it in my country (especially in terms of rights) in the past, e.g. people just quoting the right of free speech if they feel "censored" while never quoting that it only applies as long as it isn't influencing the freedom of someone else (e.g. insulting them or well, any other logical implication of that part for that matter).
I want to always call out malice on those things for manipulating the actual information, if I'd not know precisely that they simply don't want to read further than the first sentence (or a social media post at this point for that matter), or try to apply something that got further specifications which they never bothered to read and I honestly don't envy anyone who has to deal with that on a daily basis as part of their job.
This feels like the same thing when people would read ingredients that they don’t know and get upset about it
Wait. This bottle of water has dihydrogen monoxide? The government is trying to poison me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E15O aka Natural Brown 10 moment:
Di-hydrogen monoxide moment
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907what is that? it has brown in the name!? must be poison!!!! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@rimhellworth8614 Reminds me of the recent "Gerber has Iron in their Iron boosted snack for kids!" *person takes high power magnet. Finds Iron flack* "OMG do you see that guy's it's actual Iron!" What did they think Iron was? Imaginary pixy dust?
Awesome work! I'm so glad you have the Daily Dose of Thor guy on payroll making these!
If they charged $20 for the game, nobody would have had these concerns.
The irony here being that a few hours later after Thor went through all this effort explaining to people multiple times during the stream that there is nothing wrong with the TOS and the game is fine, he ended up instantly uninstalling the game because its an MMO with a 6 week wipe cycle.
He wanted to leave a negative review but it would it would get drowned in the sea of false information there wasnt much point.
Thanks, was looking for info on whether it’d be worth trying besides the TOS thing
The 6 weeks wipe is what kills this game for me
@@tresicario984 it is an odd choice, I can only think they want to do it to stop top players from remaining at the top for too long on the pvp server, but like most games, that try to do both, it usually damages the pve aspect when they try to balance the same items for both.
@@tehtayziez its not odd , it s cultural , Eastern game maket do this a lot and they have no issue with it , thor actualy talked to the game about it and it s pretty interesting
Yeah the game looks largely bland and uninteresting. Some interesting themes and styles but the gameplay is generic MMO from any point in the last decade.
This is the proof that people actually DON'T want to be informed what companies are doing with their data. These devs went out of their way to describe to you in detail exactly what information they are collecting, and people are freaking out. Meanwhile literally every other service you're using is doing their darndest to make it hard for you to find out what data they're collecting and people don't mind because they aren't being informed about it.
That's natural and to be expected though. People do want to be informed but the knowledge required to understand what is being said isn't common.
Frankly, I'm much, much happier with people being overzealous in their privacy concerns than I am with people assuming it's all dandy has the vast majority have been doing seemingly until recently.
Better to be far too cautious over trusting when it comes to for-profit groups.
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You do know there are laws that govern this, right? I mean, you don't because reality is new to you..
People decide what's right for them, a video game doesn't need your geo location or permission to track you, which he conveniently stop at that part
@@OPOP-y1q every single online service that gets your ip:address (basically all of them) knows your geo-location
@@OPOP-y1q do you never wonder how conveniently when you use a website, it is most of the time already set to your native language? that's because it knows your location.
I want people to be squirrelly about the TOS and PP of Once Human to be annoyed and want to be against it, and then to do the same for Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Google, etc and react the same
The vast majority of consumers are in a consumer mindset and don't care enough about their own data, which gives these companies an insane strength over them
Pretty much, and you warn them about it and they treat you like a fool then this happens, and then they are the fools because it's the same stuff that they can find in the product they use daily and the cycle continue
To be fair most people get squirrelly around PPs
Yep and sadly this guy loves to call people stupid just because they do not want to share said info with that company, but since he is fine with it everyone has to be and all who disagree with him are stupid for caring I guess.
So at the end I guess he is on par with the average twitter user 🤷♂
@@Brosiff322 your really smooth brained are you? He's stating that the TOS is the same shit you agree too rather that that be Google, Instagram, RUclips, snapshot, etc. They all take your data cause you agreed too their TOS. The only difference is the government ID in which all countries don't require the consumers too get except for China where you have too get one in order too play live service games
@@kylebeach2316 You are truly twitter brain dead since you are unable to see the simple answer "just because others do it does not make it okay to do"
Hope this helps.
Glad to hear you confirming that I'm not crazy. These were my immediate thoughts when I head all this. I played Once Human in Beta and it was tons of fun, and I'm looking forward to playing it more
2:48 I just love how his voice sounds like an old text to speech algorithm but in high quality.
so this is basically
Privacy policy:
what we collect from you:
Your precise geolocation of your mother *(if you provide such)*
Great video, Thor. My Mom had wise words when I was growing up in the 90s when it came to technology: "If you take the time to actually read what's on the screen, you can usually figure it out. If it still doesn't make sense, ask questions." Mom's advice has served me quite well in life when you apply it to most things..
I'm a very inquisitive type of person. I go down many rabbit holes on topics that interest me...😂
This is why i try to stay away from any sort of social media that parrots things this, ESPECIALLY twitter.
We need more people like you that actually do their own research on potential issues with the media they consume.
I’m a teacher and I approve this message. People do in fact need to read the thing.
I think part of the issue is people are now realizing the amount of information their are giving up to these companies and using this game as a scapegoat to that problem
No, not really.
Someone just read a privacy policy for once in their life and everyone copied being mad, they'll just accept the next one they get without even checking it or caring about it.
And I hate to bring that back all the time, but it's the same as with the failed Ubisoft marketing stunt for their subscription service where people now act like Ubisoft would be the only ones that are "planning" to not have you own anything, while happily buying any license (just like they did with Ubisoft products prior and probably now after as well still) that got the same terms.
Or just like all the outrages back with Facebook when they got hacked, everyone wanted to boycott it, 2 weeks later they posted even more personal stuff.
also, they probably decided to look REALLY into it for a few extra reasons: game is ftp and not greedy (in itself kinda sus in this day and age), and is made by a chinese company... and china has that reputation of loving to have eyes on everyone's data
@@thorveim1174 The majority of f2p games are by far less greedy nowadays compared to 15 years ago. And often enough less greedy with their mtx than some full priced games on top somehow.
They just didn't read a privacy policy ever before and that's it. If they'd even care about it they'd realize just how many data goes to china either way, or do you honestly think they solely buy/play the few games that china hasn't invested in yet (not even mentioning all the data they give up either way which then often enough can be bought from brokers)?
Also they don't precisely "look closely" if they twist "receive" to "require" to begin with, so yeah, proof enough that they never read one before.
Also it has been a week now, so they already forgot about it either way and jumped into the game themselves or signed the same policy for a different game - just how it always goes if someone reads the stuff for once and then have an outcry about it (facebook really hated all those users that had an outcry about it every 2-3 months coming back a week later and giving even more personal information than previously every time).
"I swear to god, the general internet is so stupid, and they're talking to each other, and as such they're becoming dumber together" -- this perfectly encapsulates EVERY SINGLE GAMING CONTROVERSY of the past year. Whether it's this, or Stellar Blade, or WHATEVER ELSE. When the internet comes together to have a collective freakout over something, it's never a big deal and yet is made out to be the end of the world by everyone who suddenly cares about something they otherwise wouldn't have noticed if their favorite twitter personalities hadn't dangled it in front of their faces and said, "see this? you should be mad about this."
I'd argue that Sweet Baby and/or BlackRock is the only exception to this, but it isn't exclusive to gaming so idk. The SBI controversy is definitely more than a nothing burger.
@@GothicSoldier9000 It's nothing burger culture war nonsense. The "forced representation" people were so upset about is not the result of a conspiracy to control culture through media, but is simply marketing. It's entertainment companies looking at the numbers and believing that, despite the potential backlash, including such things in their products will help sell them to a broader audience -- which is what their goal ultimately is. It isn't about promoting some sinister agenda. They just wanna sell games to as many people as possible, and they see untapped audiences.
They might have miscalculated and didn't expect such strong pushback, but it's nothing more than capitalism in action. I tried explaining this until I was blue in the face when the controversy was at its height, but never got through to anyone, so I honestly just checked out of that conversation -- people would rather believe in a complex conspiracy than a simple truth right in front of them.
@Axelarden Even from a practical perspective, representation for its own sake (instead of being tied into a well-written setting and y'know, _making sense)_ is also stupid. It's a short-term gamble that is bound to fail, nothing burger or not. That's the angle I see it from.
Black Panther is how you do it right. She Hulk is not. That's the difference.
And yes, Sweet Baby were technically on board for a couple near-universally acclaimed games, but the conduct of their employees makes me question their priorities as consultants. Was that one coworker framed, or did she really say that ugly shit about certain ethnicities? You know what I'm talking about.
@@GothicSoldier9000 Yeah, I didn't say it's all done well. Often it borders on pandering and I don't like it. But many people were making it out to be like it's an attempt at controlling culture through media, when really it's just misguided marketing that often falls flat, even for the people they're trying to appeal to.
@@Axelarden That's Hanlon's Razor, right? What's mistaken for malice could just as easily be explained by incompetence.
Reading Terms and Conditions being top quality content is truly wild to me.
I'm actually kind of glad it's a thing. They've become to big and bloated people don't even read them. It sucks that it's done by nicompoops that have low literacy or looking to rage bait doing it, but we do get people like Thor to come in with actual knowledge. So in a round about way we learn.
I'm not happy calling any large group of people "idiots", but this is indeed... frustrating. And a problem. I guess more free legal education would help?
Now now, hold on and take a breath that would be COMMUNISM! Not in my country sir!
Do you want an other controversy on your hands?
The bad part for me is that the TOS window appears pver the opening cutscenes, so you are pressured to accept the TOS without reading it or miss the cutscene.
The pants is live, thank you Sunder.
Ok so a Tweeter is reading their very first TOS and choosing to give a shit about it now?
Some of the jargon is scary, some of the language a bit concerning... but IP collection and some other technical terminology is straight up how the internet functions.
I just had this conversation and argument with a bunch of people the other day. Stop listening to other people and make your own decisions with stuff like this.
Plenty of games to play, if I have to have a discussion about privacy concerns, even just to clarify it, I'll just pick up something else instead.
I love that you hired the Daily Dose of Thor guy! I hope Sunder enjoys making pants.
So refreshing to see someone's patience run out for this kind of thing
It goes in one ear and out the other. This is why I absolutely hate people that get parroted some bullshit and believe it immediately without doing their own research about it.
But that is social media, whether you like it or not.
So glad to see Sunder picked up by Thor! Part of the ship, part of the crew!
The only complaints ive heard about complaints was not being able to change servers or something because you had to make sure everyone you play with chooses the same server or something like that.
7:33 “if you’re gonna get mad, get mad about something REAL. Otherwise, you’re wasting everyone’s time; INCLUDING YOUR OWN.”
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"PSA: This game has a trojan! When I try to install it my Anti-Virus tells me it tries to change something about my computer"
most games when downloading has a pop up from your computer stating "do you want this to allow changes to your computer?" thats normal lmao
@@aidanthomas5344 I think that's attempting to be the joke.
@@aidanthomas5344 Hence the quotes... maybe you shouldn't react to stuff until it's explained to you
I've seen lots of comments on steam about the game launching some files on startup. I guess it also leaves files on your PC even after full uninstall
@@knightsofthesucc1853I’m pretty sure every game I have ever downloaded online has done those things.
Was there live, will watch again, kudos to Sunder!
I appreciate your entertaining breakdown as someone who doesn't understand ToS well when first reading it.
This is like when people freak out over the other end having access to your IP..... Yes, Of course they do, That is LITERALLY how the internet functions. They HAVE to know what your IP is to be able to send responses back to you. You have to know what their IP is to send a response to them. It's like texting; You can't send a message to a specific person without knowing their phone number, or DMing, you can't send a message to a specific user without knowing their username. People are so stupid sometimes.
Nice to have you on the team Sunder.
I was there for this, Sunder's Pants are awesome. Brilliant Tailor.
To be fair, getting up in arms about a percieved issue with a privacy policy is a slightly better reaction than percieving an issue and not caring
This is the same camp I'm in. I'm much happier with people being overzealous and not touching any product they aren't convinced is safe. May not be consistent in most people's cases but nobody should install software they are suspicious about, for any reason, valid or otherwise.
Standard privacy policy is "We collect and store the information about you that you send to us voluntarily. We only ask for the information that we are required to ask for by law." The part that you need to be looking at in any privacy policy is not what information they collect and store though, it's what information do they share, with whom, and why. Most of the time the policy is that they only share what they have to share to be able to provide you with whatever services you are trying to get from them. If there is a problem with their privacy policy it will be if they say they'll share your data with third parties that have nothing to do with the services you are requesting which is an exceptionally rare thing to find in a privacy policy.
An Asian game company goes the non scummy monetization route and people still find a reason to obliterate the game.
My first line of bullshit radar is I ask myself "is this article/video written to convey information or emotion?". If they want to evoke emotion from the start it's almost always bullshit.
But the video you posted this on also did that, just in the opposite direction, it goes both ways not just the side you think is right.
Once Human: OMFGGG SO BADDDD YOU LOOK AT MY PRON COLLECTION!?
Valorant: You have bright lights booba... SPY ON ME PLEASE JUST LET ME SPEND $1000000 ON SKINS
legal ignorance and unconscious xenophobia is a nasty combo
unconscious what
Man, the only complains i can find right now are: only 1 character, some stuff keeps running in the background and the 6 weeks wipe.
Where did you hear it has a 6 week wipe? Edit - nevermind. The current season is 6 weeks, but this doesn't mean all seasons will be. For the first month and a half of the game's launch it may be a smart play to wipe things... imagine the 150,000 bases made in the first month by players not returning. They will need to revise the game and a nice big patch to go with the wipe will let people get an even footing. I hope it wont be 6 weeks every season though, that's not great.
1 char might be temporary, if not it's bad.
What keeps running in the background?
@@adaroben1104 From what i read, the Anti-cheat program keeps running in the background even when the game is not running.
But lets hope that wipe is just temporarily. Having to make a new char every 6 weeks isn't good for business, i don't think many would like to start over every time, again and again.
list of friends (social media accounts), cell-ID, Wi-Fi connection location, Social connections within the service
Combine all of this with the fact it links up with like a dozen different social media platforms it looks like a dragnet operation.
This is why reading comprehension is important 😅
"It's staying pinned until chat learns how to read," so it will stay pinned forever?
But ppl don't care about vanguard, google, microsoft, facebook, anything...
Exactly why this whole outrage is a comedy.
Hell I can almost guarantee that The Website Formerly Known as Twitter's own TOS is worse.
Probably because 'ppl' aren't a uniform mass. There is some people that don't care about those things and yet do care about this. There are people that do care about those things but not at all about this. There's people that care about all privacy and think the standard isn't good enough and there's people that don't know what privacy means.
You'll have an easier time once you understand differing views most often come from different people. Unless you can attribute conflicting ideas to coming from the same person, don't assume there is any hypocritical behaviour occuring.
Because they don't warehouse your data in Hong Kong...
The privacy policy is the least offensive thing about this game.
i can understand i sounds worse since it doesent state that YOU have to provide the information just that they use it so basically gained from ANY source is what i can see being misunderstood in this and THAT to me is scary them just collecting the information without "consent" or the people being aware if the T.O.S. isnt read properly
so many idiots around the internet this is so sad that people cant read and by doing so they ruin the company that made the game probebly costing them missions just because they cant read. wow
Gotta be outraged about something as it seems.
Same as the outrage about the Ubisoft CEO failing his marketing stunt at trying to push their subscription service where no one even bothered to read any of their (and many other companies) licensing methods for the previous almost 15 years.
People are fine with anything until they read it or the rights get pulled in - then they're mad and make up laws or other things, pretty sure that most from that outrage still buy Ubisoft games (and/or plenty of other games with the same licensing) regardless.
And on that outrage they could even change stuff by just not buying it and therefor send the message that it's not a viable way to do business, but that'd require passing up on games they'd want to play.
Every single one of those outrages has the exact same thing in common: they literally can't/don't want to read.
That's just the nature of marketing and appealing to an audience. Get real good at clarifying audience misunderstanding or go bust. Public Relations, although often justifiably shit on, is a thing for a reason.
Best pants.
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Thank you for bringing in the Daily Dose of Thor person. They do great content.
Few hours after the debacle insued
I have concluded twitter users and facebook users dont read
And its scary
actually terrifying how easily people will spread misinformation and literally not look into stuff and not make their own conclusion
This is why I have a spotty social media presence
This is the correct way of dealing with someone else uploading your content in a creative way in form of edited clips. Thor sees a talent and instead of issuing DMCA takedown on the infringing channel, he offers the person behind it a job as an official editor. So these clips are now actually official, and I love it!
Next time someone is reposting Thor's content, Thor should probably hire them too. And the time after that. In fact, every reposter should be offered a wage for reposting. That's the "correct way"? You do realize that this is not sustenable right? If the content creator have no use for a content reposter, then they are in their right to strike thieves down.
@@digammaf7060 You clearly misunderstood my point. Daily Dose of Thor wasn't just reposting, they actually edited the long form clips, zooming in, adding effects, memes, the Twitch chat is visible, etc. And there was no content on Thor's channel like this, so Thor clearly had use for it. Next time someone tries to do something like this, yes, there probably will be a strike, because Thor already has his editor now. Or Thor maybe hires another one, who knows? But if you have no content on your channel like this, and you see an obvious talent, why should you put it down?
You are obviously right, Thor does have the rights to the content, and therefore is full in rights to issue a DMCA takedown notice. Legally. But is it right morally, if you could use the talent? Nope. And DDoT already had a pretty big fan base (myself included), by posting clips from Thor's streams, the clips were quite a high quality, everyone found them entertaining to watch, then why not hire the guy?
@@CZghost We are saying the same thing basically, I totally understood you. The thing is, your first comment make it sound like with enough editing, stealing content is ok
@@digammaf7060 If that is what it sounded like, then I apologize for the confusion. That's not what I meant. Glad we finally understand each other. Cheers, mate.
@@CZghost Sure have a nice day
I was about to download this yesterday and the only thing that concerned me was what the June 11th reviews on steam page were saying about two specific files that installed themselves and auto run in the background even after you delete the game and only way apparently to get rid of them is through registry edit. So until someone clears that up or i find and explanation for that i'll just stay clear of it.
Bruh. Just subscribe to a good antivirus, and dont bother with being afraid. Watever if it is 99.99% detection, more then enough to feel safe going on to pornsites, installing garbage from wherever, and games. P.S. My antivirus which i am paying for, did not notice anything. However, even, even if theyd installed anything on my pc, still worth it. Game just too good, and i am now addicted
P.S. for your information, majority of the apps and games leave garbage on your computer after uninstall. And there quite a lot that have background tasks active from their left overs. Usually have to do with updaters, but there also other purposes. And the only. THE ONLY way to be somewhat safe, is to install payed antivirus. Leave it to professionals who know what they are doing
Did you find an explantion? Because thats the exact reason i stopped myself from playing it the 2 files
So from what I read, 1 of those files is a runoff from what Thor was discussing, it basically tracks your time played (for Chinese and Korean players not overplaying) it doesn't go away because like every game in those countries has it. It is generally removed for international releases since it is essentially useless.
The other one is a runoff program from the updater or something I believe (not 100% sure on this one, but i read it).
Think of the first one like easy anti-cheat.. if you install a game like squad, then uninstall squad. It won't remove EAC because it is cross used across many, many games.
So lemme get this straight.
You didnt play it cause you'd rather believe a random review than Verify?
Bruh. Almost every game from *China* will collect data useage its common there plus there are a ton of western games that got files running in the background.
This. Isn't. *Rocket science*
Just learn 2 read.