Eveliina Salonen does this move. I've been trying to find something to keep my shoulders from opening up before my arm is released. This should definitely help. Thanks for the tip
This is the only thing that keeps your shoulders from opening. ruclips.net/video/LAzmdOkiSJY/видео.htmlsi=J4AjnunFoqFsCIn1 Its the throwing arm extension that slows down the shoulders. Nothing else should. The goal is not to slow or stop the shoulders but rather to speed up the elbow on the throwing arm.
Appreciate the talk about the brace. That is a super subtle difference between moving the hip back vs twisting (once you are actually throwing). I feel like I had it for one practice session, but flipped back to twisting in the next. I'll look forward to the longer version later as well :D
Thank you very much for making this video. I feel like this concept is an important new piece to add to my form. I feel like I will be able to get more energy in the disc this way. Looking forward to drilling this.
This is how I know I threw a properly timed throw... If I end up not moving past my brace, just rotated and balanced with that back leg in a sort of Kajiyama-esque pose.
I'm definitely trying this drill out. I think with drills and standstill and one-step throws I can do a decent job of coiling and engaging my hips properly. But when I go back to an x-step, I find it really hard to coil properly on the last step since I'm moving forwards. It's like going from a normal golf swing to a Happy Gilmore golf swing and its hard AF lol.
Exactly! And yes happy gilmore 100%. Key is to add walk up speed slowly and do tons of reps on standstills and onesteps first. Then add just a tiny bit if speed at a time and check you still like your coil.
Most players have alot of spin out; they are ‘wasting’ energy by still having momentum after the brace. Conrad is the worst example… you can throw well that way, but the margin for error is wider.
I think it’s fine to end that way. Your shoulders are twisting, your throwing arm is coming around with a massive amount of force, when done properly. Don’t actively force your body to stop that, or you will likely risk injury. I think what Treb is saying (correct me if I’m misunderstanding) is to get this counterbalance into the hit point. Once the disc has ejected and your body needs to unwind, sure, the leg might come around a bit. Most beginners throw entirely with their upper body and simply wind up spinning out over the lead leg with zero bracing. Brace first, eject the disc, and THEN let the body spin out to lower the forces back to zero.
@@twofifty6 totally. There is a spectrum of acceptable. A small controlled step forward is not an issue. We just want to be sure the vast majority of body momentum is being redirected into the disc by the body structure we build around the brace resisting the ground.
Eveliina Salonen does this move. I've been trying to find something to keep my shoulders from opening up before my arm is released. This should definitely help. Thanks for the tip
This is the only thing that keeps your shoulders from opening.
ruclips.net/video/LAzmdOkiSJY/видео.htmlsi=J4AjnunFoqFsCIn1
Its the throwing arm extension that slows down the shoulders. Nothing else should. The goal is not to slow or stop the shoulders but rather to speed up the elbow on the throwing arm.
Appreciate the talk about the brace. That is a super subtle difference between moving the hip back vs twisting (once you are actually throwing). I feel like I had it for one practice session, but flipped back to twisting in the next. I'll look forward to the longer version later as well :D
Yea. Coiling is pretty subtle, we tend to want to over do it. More is not better!
Thank you very much for making this video. I feel like this concept is an important new piece to add to my form. I feel like I will be able to get more energy in the disc this way. Looking forward to drilling this.
Thanks! Hope it is helpful.
I like the idea of active brace. Thanks, very insightful. 😊
More on active brace stuff at the end of this one:
ruclips.net/video/3bCATnqGmT0/видео.htmlsi=oP-XNuKLWIujVcnd
This is how I know I threw a properly timed throw... If I end up not moving past my brace, just rotated and balanced with that back leg in a sort of Kajiyama-esque pose.
Yes!!!
Interesting, I would also add if you don't mind, Kevin Jones does this same movement you speak of.
Cool. Ill check him out. Know the name, never looked at his throw.
Yep. He has a pretty good rear leg bounce…
You didn’t know KJUSA?!? Someone needs to watch more disc golf! 😝
@@twofifty6 accurate!
Great explanation and exemplification!
Thanks Jon!
I'm definitely trying this drill out. I think with drills and standstill and one-step throws I can do a decent job of coiling and engaging my hips properly. But when I go back to an x-step, I find it really hard to coil properly on the last step since I'm moving forwards. It's like going from a normal golf swing to a Happy Gilmore golf swing and its hard AF lol.
Exactly! And yes happy gilmore 100%.
Key is to add walk up speed slowly and do tons of reps on standstills and onesteps first. Then add just a tiny bit if speed at a time and check you still like your coil.
the like was dropped when laser holsters were referenced, thanks for the tips
Laser Holsters DiscGolf is actually my other registered trade name…
I thought he said "laser ulcers"...I was like...what???
Why do so many pro's end with their rear leg out in front? This is how my leg ends up, behind me... But I was told it should not be that way?
Most players have alot of spin out; they are ‘wasting’ energy by still having momentum after the brace. Conrad is the worst example… you can throw well that way, but the margin for error is wider.
If you are in balance on one foot after your brace you are doing great. If anyone tells you otherwise send them to me…
I think it’s fine to end that way. Your shoulders are twisting, your throwing arm is coming around with a massive amount of force, when done properly. Don’t actively force your body to stop that, or you will likely risk injury.
I think what Treb is saying (correct me if I’m misunderstanding) is to get this counterbalance into the hit point. Once the disc has ejected and your body needs to unwind, sure, the leg might come around a bit.
Most beginners throw entirely with their upper body and simply wind up spinning out over the lead leg with zero bracing. Brace first, eject the disc, and THEN let the body spin out to lower the forces back to zero.
@@twofifty6 totally. There is a spectrum of acceptable. A small controlled step forward is not an issue. We just want to be sure the vast majority of body momentum is being redirected into the disc by the body structure we build around the brace resisting the ground.