Why the West lost India’s culture wars - Razib Khan on Urban Chatterati
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2021
- Razib Khan discuses his recent article 'Why the West lost India’s culture wars' unherd.com/2021/04/the-cultur...
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Swami Vivekananda understood the importance of this to a major extent and went to Chicago, only thing is nobody followed up after him.
@Madhav Sharma
The way you are describing things are exactly like abhrahmics.
Hinduism has never been religion, it's a practice of life.
Some believed in vedic form of life and others did not.
There is no absolute path to achieve spiritual conscious.
It's a long journey of seeking. But u r behaving like an abhrahmic and that defeats the whole purpose of sanatan way of life.
@Madhav Sharma
People here morphed some practices into a religion as a resistance to abhrahmics.
It's hard to convince mass about principles of dharma. To save this ideology, certain morphing has been done in the past.
But blind believing was not there in ancient India.
@Gunne_r r Umm...How about Trump's own words and deeds as contributing to his "being kicked out?"
@@kumarabhishek5652 ya ofcourse we know religions are Abrahamic Lens and that Sanatan Dharm is following natural justice and natural law for the best outcome for all creatures, but if you are trying to explain things to the world you need to speak their language because they cannot understand yours
He is of Bangladeshi Muslim descent in USA.
Still he knows a lot of India . Nice.
Naturally he will have more affinity with our NRIs than others. Unlike Pakistan, he doesn't look at us from a Hindu Muslim lense.
He is a geneticist. A Good one.
@Curtis Jefferson
I am not
He is an atheist. Not a Muslim. He says it in the video.
A guy from sub continent needs no more evidence to prove if Hinduism is the most liberal philosophy ,just look at Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh
The Abrahamic ideology very nature is predatory soteriological and proselytizing.
The desert culture of deprivation could not have produced a better philosophy by just single prophet than perennial philosophy given by a forest dwelling culture of abundance refined with ageless continuum
Muslims of sub continent suffer from identity crisis and try to disown their ancestry and cognitive dissonance
@Curtis Jefferson The funeral pyre also helps avoiding any diseases spreading which are more likely due to burial , the spread of plague was attributed to burials
Like when he says that jinnah wrote discovery of India, Nehru wrote it
This guy is brutally honest. He is a scholar, so he has nothing to gain by telling things the way he understands.
@p k m Yes, it is possible that scholars can be biased. But then one should use their knowledge to differentiate between different opinions.
My comment is only regarding Mr. Khan.
'The way he understands' is the key.
His understanding as he himself states is limited to the ideas and people who he comes across in the west.
To think because someone is a scholar means they have nothing to gain by distorting fact or being dishonest is about the most insane thing I have heard recently. Many scholars purposefully mislead, distort facts and flat out lie for many many reasons. Some innocently as they have been taught by the colleges who are funded by the exact people who hide much history and lie to their students and then the student believes a lie and innocently continues teaching what they were taught and then you have those who have more gains in more ways then I can even express to teach certain things. Not saying this guy is any of those but most are not honest wether knowingly or not and the higher one goes up the food chain the more incentives they would have to do so.
@@jenR2120 👍🙏
Academia in the world and west and even india are filled with scholars and historians who openly work on anti hindu projects and that's what's taught to Hindus in indian schools..
India rising economically and the narrative changing inside our country about what is it being a real Indian and a Hindu too.This will rattle many countries all over the world.Indians being confidant and non appeasing to every other culture except their own is changing slowly but definitely!
what does a real Hindu mean?
@@stalinsampras unapologetic hindu proud of indian civilization, culture, arts and it's philosophies, literature, scientific works and language. not some western brown sepoy who lives for white approval and their appeasement
@@stalinsampras You. I remember you getting trolled by Chavdaji and Shivji today in Jaipur Dialogues😭
@@naiyayika First of all that did not happen today, it happened 4 days back. For me it felt like they would not answer my questions with intellect, so they resorted to talk shit. I consider it a fail on there part to engage in an intellectual conversation
@@naiyayika hahaha
We have to drill it into people's head that Hindu nationalism is the only force in India against casteism and feudalism.
प्रार्थना करो भगवान आएँ ओर जिहादियों को साफ़ करें ।
Not the only force but the greatest force 👍
True and it's happening but happening in a slow pace but it's good for now but the turning point will be 2024 elections if BJP wins big this is gonna increase rapidly
@@narenbaradwaj5058 if they survive this pandemic disaester. One can see the ground shifting against bjp...
Not only in head, but in heart and body....living and leading by examples. Actions speak louder than words.
Lately i am becoming a fan of Abhinav. Because of the guest’s he is calling on his channel and secondly his questions are very good and very apt. 🙏🏻👍👏
He is a very good host who never intervenes when someone else speaks. Not many hosts or panelists do it.
Most underrated channel
...deserves way more
Razib is so succinct and spot on and it's especially awesome since he is exposed to the blatant propoganda and yet he took time and effort to sift through the details and present facts! Thanks so much 👍🙌🙏🏽
Who is this dude? He is amazing. He’s firing on all cylinders.
Follow his Podcast "Brown Pundits". It's brilliant. He has people on from all types of ideologies.
Wow it took Rakib to tell us something we overlooked as Indic wingers, we could not create a narrative to take other people along on what we are and what we bring to the table that relates to non Indians. This conversation is so underrated.
Razib, this remind me of the articles you wrote for sepiamutiny in 2008. Although you wrote more about alleles and phenotypes back then!
In terms of English-speaking intellectuals that are center or right-of-center in India or its diaspora, there are:
- Sai Deepak
- Raj Vedam
- Rajiv Malhotra
There are also pop-culture icons that are center or right-of-center:
- Sham Sharma
- Abhijit Iyer Mitra
- Sadhguru
- String
The second most influential person in the current UK cabinet is Rishi Sunak (Narayan Murthy's Son in Law). Its foreign minister is Priti Patel, and its commerce minister is Alok Sharma. East India Company is now owned by an Indian. There is a very high chance that a UK PM will be of Indian origin sooner rather than later. How times change......
The previous discussion with this guy on Genetics of India's caste groups was amazing and so is this one!
What was the summary of that video ?
@@Bolter024 lol no summary. You will have to listen to the whole thing to get the various things he is trying to get at.
@@NatrajChaturvedi Mention atleast one lol
@@Bolter024 that AIT is real
@@surendarvijay2520 Nowhere he mentioned AIT is real. There is a difference between migration and invasion.
Great discussion, much needed insight...
As a lay person, my definition of hindu nationalism is Hinduism that defends and defeats anti india forces...
if it stands in opposition to foreign ideas only borrowing selectively then it makes sense
Abhinav pls hear out Between 26 mnts and 29 mnts razab well. He made amazing points on how hindus need to assert. Take these points to sadhguru and discuss with him to give us thought points on how to sell the sanatana dharma view point.
This guy Razib is clearly bright and objective, and that was his crime when it comes to the Left.
49:02 hits the nail on the head. "Hindu of whatever religious orientation".
Omar I’m a Hindu in USA, you are truly an enlightened person almost not just India but the bulk of World”.
From an Indian/Hindu, USA
That is not Omar lol
Razib is really incisive. So many insights. Great discussion.
Hindus need to grow more spine and thick skin. Don't abuse someone just because his name is khan.
This guy is truly honest about his thoughts about an ABCD on Hinduism and India.
Amazing guest so much he knows about we Hindhus tham ourselves 😀
Great points made, a really engaging discussion. But still don't understand why indians abroad are defensive about hinduism/caste and fall into western narrative.
Our education systems framed by Marxist-Socialist academia imbibe the glory of West and turns young Indians into wannabe Whites.
Wealth
it's defensive survival thing. when i was in college in the US, i would make fun of all the ABCD Hindus who would try and pretend that these things aren't real.
one guy, in a Class on Hinduism shouted at the prof saying "Caste is not a Hindu thing, it is an Indian thing". Meaning, Indians from India do caste, but we Hindu Americans aren't related to it at all.
mostly because they are not aware of the how all this narrative was and is built. Moreover, the local governments in India, in the past, also made them defensive.
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 yep. Had a friend whose only understanding of Hinduism was that we had caste. I got so much pleasure in educating him and reminding him that Americans had slavery.
Thank you so much for bringing such dialogues, more power to you.
Essence of SANATANA dharma is not tolerance or equality but Truth.
Koenrard elst
I think your sequence (linear) is wrong. Sanatana Dharma is eternal Truth and righteousness, from this concept emerges ahimsa , tolerance, equanamity, introspection etc., Most people understand this from a text book sense but find it difficult to follow. By the way I am not justifying prejudice or ignorance.
@@anjurkrishnan7831 from societal point of view practice of SANATANA dharma aims at balance and truth
Truth is subjective, it may vary situation to situation.
Violence and non violence both goes hand in hand.
Importance of violence and non violence is decided by situations.
@Priyojit chatterjee give me example,
Then I will show you how it is subjective.
@Priyojit chatterjee sir, I treat things as a seeker point of view for MY SPIRITUAL PATH means what I am conscious of, what I understand is my truth, other things I treat as possibilities.
Abhinav great discussion, enjoyed it .. thanks!
@24:20 Great point. We should really think about what values and principles we bring to the world, and be able to articulate it clearly.
good work Abhinav sir, waiting for more such videos.
This is some seriously stimulating conversation. Love it
He's right about the English speaking. The BJP has a lot of bad English speakers who appear on English news channels. They should be sending good English speakers to English news channels. No problem if you can't speak English, you go on the Hindi channels but if you have to appear on English channels, you should be sending good English speakers.
They should nurture more people like Swapan Dasgupta, Baijayant Panda, Tejasvi Surya etc
What baKwaas you say ????
What makes you think, India doesn't have good speakers ???
What's important is BJP doesn't care about USA
@@amoghavarshanripatunga
They already do.
@@raghunandan9290 No they don't. They send Syed Zafar Islam or RP Singh.
@@raghunandan9290
Who exactly are you talking about?? Ram Madhav?? Lol🤣
It was delightful to listen this man👌🙏
Get omar ali on the show too!
Good discussion, keep it up.
That was a really nice conversation.
Its a very honest conversation and its extremely valuable, everyone needs to listen to this!
Very incisive, honest views of Razib Khan and pointed questions by Abhinav Prakash made the discussion very interesting - Razib's suggestions to the new emerging Indian elites in their interaction with the Western ones will turn out to be very useful I think.
An excellent conversation!
Very fruitful discussion indeed.
interesting to catch the perspectives
This was actually good razib always brings good info from genetics to this now 👍
Many crucial points here in concise words.
I really fear that this covid 2nd wave spread would cost BJP electorally and i do not want that. Already PM has cancelled his rally but Mamata is still continuing her rally.
You cannot change that.
@@jonathanalvinrays..7070 cannot change what?
Public memory is short. Covid wave is not invented by us , it can happen anywhere. We just need vaccination speeded up
Abhinav s work is awesome
The story of Modi is the story of the perpetuating of the lies about India from the British times and continued onwards in the post independence period. The story of use of the word secularism, to shocking extents, to favour certain minority populations and often to the detriment of the majority population. The story of systematic attempts at wiping out dignity and self respect from the Indian psyche. The story of Modi here is the bursting forth of the resistance against that and the establishment of dignity and truth.
You are so naive and gulliable. Its amazing that the bjp-rss has led you to believe that critizing them is an attack on all hindus. The bjp rss have a inferiority complex.
Very interesting discussion
Great discussion 👍
So thoughtful. I’m waiting for Razib to write a comprehensive book regarding Indian genetics. It would be unbelievably interesting.
Razib knows his shit.
prob the accent
@@sabrishgopalakrishnan5156
Lol he is American, what accent do you think he will have???
A wonderfully moderated discussion with an original free thinker.
Great discussion..
Wow...his hypothesis are very convincing and explains most of the things.
Hinduism is the ONLY way for the world to become INCLUSIVE to all religions, regions, genders, languages and culture. Hinduism includes Jain, Sikh, Budhh, Shaiv, Vaishnav, Shakth, Ganapathya, Kaumaara, Saurya, Guru-parampara as well as all the devi devata sampradaayas in each so-called principalities globally.
It is because of Hinduism that the Parsis as well as Jews survived when they took refuge in India. It is because of Hinduism that Ahmediyas, Boris, Shias, Sunnis, Berelvis, Deobandis, Mujahid, Bahaai, Orthodox, Pentacost, Marthoma, Syrian, Latin, Zero Malabar as well as all the other different conflicting denominations live without being at loggerheads with each other.
Very informative…
Such a deep discussion 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Damn you are dead honest, scariest intellectual ability to comprehend and equally articulate
Hi! Great conversation. It would be great if this article of Razib’s is translated into some of the regional languages of India.
Jinnah didn't write Discovery of India it was by Nehru.
@NS, it's quite obvious that it was a slip of tongue!
Namaste amazing talk
Excellent Love ❤️Razib Khan ... Thanks ... 🙏☸️🕉️😊
Brilliant podcast
very good discussion
Nice talk..
Hindu organizations should hire Razib Khan as a consultant.
Abhinav sir please invite Rajiv Mishra he has done many shows on Jaipur dialogues he has a deep understanding of communism
Nice discussion
Have heard him before on genetics of Indian castes etc in brown pandit podcasts. He has clarity of thoughts with science and facts..excellent
Brilliant perspective. I don't always agree with Razib, but I always like to listen to him as he always has well thought, coherent arguments. The 25:00 mark was perhaps the most important. The significance of making Hindutva appealing to an international audience. One of the best arguments came from Rajiv Malhotra's Being Different where he mentions "Mutual Respect" and "Reciprocity" being the cornerstone of Bharatiya culture. These are probably the key ingredients to a truly pluralistic society. Imagine a society where you don't just tolerate the other, but celebrate the other, share with the other, cherish the other and exchange ideas with the other without losing your core identity. India is already that to an extent.
Small correction: Jinnah didn't write the Discovery of India...but Nehru did. Jinnah wasn't known for writing or reading.
it was unconscious mistake, he knows nehru wrote this
@@amitkashyap8642 yes, I also thought so.
The map of India in thumbnail needs to be corrected
Don't be so nationalistic. We don't own POK, Akshai Chin. Accept it
Good Lord! This guy knows us or what. He not only shows us the mirror, but with such clarity it's embarrassing. He knows us so damn well, he understands us and where we come from, probably his Bangladeshi roots and knowledge of the social injustices against hindus in Bangladesh helps him read us so well. He also understands why the lay Hindu nationalist are prejudiced and skeptical about his intent thays cause he has a Muslim name and there are centuries old inherent trust issues at play here. He is amazed how nonchalant we are about our future. Kya qtiya log hai.. 😂
These are the kind of intellectually honest and brilliant allies we need to fight our fight for survival.
Kaha kaha se dhund ke laate ho inhe Abhinav bhaiyya?!!?
Btw Khan saya "Hindus are not genocidal Against Muslims". But what about the repeated Hindu genocide commuted by Muslims in last thousand years, what about the Kashmir genocide or the latest Bengal genocide of Hindus. Who is going to address this, talk about this in the West. Hope long will Islam get away with their murderous past and present. What makes it OK when Islamic groups commit genocide on a daily basis in Africa. What if other religions start getting radical and hitting back, going on the offensive, are they being punished for not hitting back??
There is this weird thing going on among the Western Left (which controls the media and much else) whereby they have become friendly toward Islam and try to court them politically even though they are fundamentally opposed to each other on a number of social issues.
India is India never lost our coultures
5:55 I was just thinking about how he was exactly describing Turkey, and he just straight up said it.
That's what I always said and thought that the our post independence political leaders were not Indian in true and cultural sense.
Except Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel and Lal Bahadur Shastri.
@Abhinav Prakash sir, please do a video with Abhijit on the Vaccine issue. Want to understand the managerial strucutre, who is responsible for what and what is lacking and what shoukd be done. As always excellent episode sir
Wow, to be able to speak at that speed & still maintain coherent train of thought.
Swastika an auspicious symbol which brings prosperity in Sanatan Dharma.
Please do not mistake it for Nazi hakenkreuz. Hakenkreuz is a form of a cross which Hitler saw in a church.
Haha I follow Razib Khan and have seen how people abuse him for telling the truth 😂😂 . As usual Brilliant discussion
Razib Khan is so right. Modi is from the people, and he does not have the false veneer of the so called popular culture.
kaliyuga is like Qayyamat in islam and armageddon in Christianity and swastika went from Helena Blavatsky to hitler from india, and caste is a Portuguese word casta...
We should first be assured in our minds about our great past, its rich culture & traditions, then & only then we would be able to make understand western minds with pre-conceived notions about the depth & universalism of our ancient civilization! Swami Vivekanand ji has already shown us the way ahead🙏
Razib Bhai must also watch Hindu Pakistan talk of Sanjay Dixit on Sangam Talks RUclips channel to understand what Hindu rashtra means to all humans
bengal’s political elites are still mostly Brahmins.
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Interesting guy
Yes Rajib, you are evolving, towards sanatana.... what we have, to talk to people from Iran, and many other countries .... om rishibhyo namah .... the treasure our rishis have left us, the beauty of it, you would have understood and defended wonderfully if you had been born in a brahmin family... and may be also propogated to Iranians...
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The message that hindus or people of the dharmic traditions should spread the gift of liberation/moksa/nirvana/enlightenment or whatever you call it.
We must unconvert the people to liberation. For that we need active institutions that are not shy to do it.
Because those who convert people are not shy, they are aggressive and active.
Not Jinnah but Nehru wrote ‘Discovery of India’.
rizab Khan doesn't seem to have heard of Rajiv Malhotra, because that man is exactly the intellectual that can and has spoken to the West on their own terms.
Malhotra is over rated
He talks about him without naming at See at 33:21. The footnote controversy points to Rajiv Malhotra.
malhotra is a not academically trained in the subjects he talks about, that is always a hinderance.
First 8 min, stopped at secular point- secularism is great when its an option to Abrahamic oppressive religions. In Bharat, Sanatan traditions are anyway evolved on multifiold logic and experiential evidence hence scientific in nature! Hence Ethos of sanatan is inclusive! Hence their intereference in state would never be a problem! Hence western secularism is useless in Bharat while its a must in France!
If you want to compare other countries like Japan with India, I would say that another factor to consider is homogeneity and language. Japan is largely speaking a single language, while India had to resort to English for communication across the country and avoid any linguistic conflicts. But this has invited unwelcome scrutiny and interference from the western countries.
Also with the fact that India has got many languages spoken by people of different ethnicities and tribes. Because of that you need some sort of intermediary for people to communicate.
Sanskrit would work better... and binding to cultural foundations
Japanese built identity in opposition to Chinese culture despite borrowing big part
from it. They said Yin element is stronger than chinese Yang ;)
Since I read the article was hoping to see a discussion on it.
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I have come across good news propagators many a time to save me from sin and hell. But they get annoyed when I politely ask questions.
India can only move forward after 1. discussing our historical wounds openly and honestly 2. Having these conversations among our own people rather than using external colonial forces to 'help' us because their intention is seldom good. Razib is absolutely right that we also need basically a better PR campaign for the West, something sorely missing in India. It's ironic to me tha the West which talks about cultural relativism and in not being racist is so exceptionally blind in how remarkably racist its institutions - whether academia or the media - are.
On Caste jati (not varna) issue read KS Lal, pro historian book:
Growth of Schedule tribes & caste in medival India
Abhinav mate. Something wrong with India's map you put on the thumbnail.
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He is right
for westerns rajiv malhotra is very beautifully presenting indic views
Razib Khan is a true CRITICAL thinker and keen observer, agree with him or not.