What happens to a Lamborghini Gallardo when you switch traction control off?
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Is it wise to turn off the ESP stability control? Steve Sutcliffe proves even a Lamborghini Gallardo can spin easily.
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You are driving along, and it seems like a fun idea to reach for your car's ESP stability control button, so it's just you in control of machine. But is it a wise idea? Steve Sutcliffe decided to find out, driving the hugely grippy and stable, four-wheel drive 2013 Lamborghini Gallardo supercar. Despite its amazing performance figures, he found that even at moderate motorway speeds, an awful lot could go wrong, very quickly indeed.
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People tell me I should turn the traction in my R8 off, this is EXACTLY why I won't do it. Thank you for the video, it's been great to see.
Hi shmee 😁
Probably people without an r8 would tell you that shmee
He 7 years later buddy
Wow never expected to see your comment here
Turning ESC off can break your driveline too :). If you do hard acceleration especially with one tire skidding more than the others
ESP is not traction control... its STABILITY CONTROL....
I was also about to same thing
Kacicka999 TCS is traction
All stability control is traction control, but not all traction control is stability control. ESC uses some of the same, if not all of the same, depending on the implementation, of a traction control system.
ESP is not Stability Control.... IT'S *EXTRA SENSORY PERCEPTION* .....
ESP is electronic stability programe
Esp and ABS systems saved my ass a lot .. Thank God they exist.
Hugh Jass thats dangerous i know its fun but if you are not a professional racing driver then its not wise to do so. be careful man life is pricous. always remember that there is someone is going to get hurt or shocked if a disaster happened.
Hugh Jass
Just unplug one of the abs sensors if you don't have esp (or shut of esp) so you still have airbags!
You should thank to engineers who created and developed it, not to an fictional character.
Mantuitorull wrong video my dear. this video is made for car enthusiasts, not closed minded fuckers like you sir that hate and say bad stuff to anybody who have different believes, norms, lifestyle. so please mind your own business. People like you makes me feel sick. get a life and stop being a smartass.
Thank you.
Abdullah Almosawy If you go offroading, most of the time, you would want those things off as much as possible.
1:45 Jesus take the wheel!
esp and tc are 2 different things
Carlos Kratz lol right esp stabilizes the car to keep it straight and TC keeps the tires from loosing grip
@driftking522 it isnt a fake .... its a gallardo the latest facelift modell i think ... google 2013 lamborghini gallardo!
its ESC and ESPN Sports
ESP works the brakes, so the car doesn't spin. TCS cripples the ignition and injection system, to reduce the power to the driven wheels to prevent spinning.
Carlos Kratz is this the same as stability control?
Just let go the wheel when things get hairy? It is rather 'against every sense possible' yes, but since way before electronic stability control, it has been one of the more effective ways of saving it. The trick is to know when to let go, and when to get in charge again, and the problem with that, is if you know stuff like that, you most likely wouldn't have lost control in the first place.
so what's the right Moment then to let the Wheel off? as soon as possible after the first move?
@@neinerstrechtnicht6465 still waiting for his responds
@@MrTacticalGiant I don't know if it would actually work in normal circumstances or in a FWD car, but this technique is often used in drifting. They tend to turn the wheel, accelerate hard, release it briefly (the car will basically countersteer by itself) and further control it from that point. Then you can lessen the turn to slide more or leave it where it is, and the car will either straighten out (if you straighten the weel in time) or slide the other way (if you don't). From my personal experience, you will just feel when it's time to straighten the wheel, it simply takes some practice. Just be sure not to try it out on a public road, and remember that you have to control the gas pedal as well ;)
stability management systems are not traction control systems.
that is irrelevant. my point was it is stability management systems that keep a car from spinning out, not TCS. TCS keeps wheel spin to a minimum under acceleration.
ak operator is spot on. the key words are *traction* and *stability*. they do go hand in hand but are far from the same thing.
ESP doesn't exist. They just bless the car with holy water and jesus takes the wheel. lol
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MichaelFleming2011 😂😂😂😂
Best joke i heard today
ESP and TC are two different things but operate off the same wheel speed sensors along with ABS. TC cuts power while detecting wheel slippage while ESP applies brakes to various wheels individually, assisting in straightening the car back up while sliding.
Is it possible for a car to have only ESP without TC?
Leave ESP on when on public roads. Turn it off on the track if you want to try and be a hero and don't mind putting your car into the barriers.
but what's the deal? is the car more responsive with the esc off? or what's the big deal? why all these video test of new cars are with the esc off ??
Not more responsive, more uncontrollable unless in the hands of an actual trained professional driver.
It makes the throttle a bit less responsive when you accelerate from a stop to avoid wheel spin. It helps you get a better start if you're racing... but once ur going, I think traction control is better to have on because it also makes sure you dont over do the steering.
Doesn't make a difference to pulling away, traction control slows the wheels down, slowing the car down, with it off you just spin the wheels with barely any traction, but the gallardo comes with launch control which allows some wheelspin but controls it to gain maximum grip.
@@DerSpanier86 Switching off electronic aid allows professional-level drivers (and expert drivers, to a lesser extent) to go faster (as well as have more fun) than with it switched on. For the others, aid should always be on.
will my supercharged Prius do this?
+peanuts2105 no it does not exist.
+Adam Harr actually there are supercharged Prius's in USA
john staker I have not seen one if you have I wood love a link, a complete drive train swap does not count
Adam Harr just search up supercharged Prius
lol, i've seen like 4 in person...
I love them, they go against everything they were made for lmfao.
Great video, I had no idea stability control worked that well. Also you demonstrated perfectly how mid engine cars tend to just spin. I had a Pontiac Fiero in high school. A couple times I've lost control dodging deer/snow etc... Yet every time the car stayed in its lane and just spun like this^. It never veered off like fwd or rwd cars. Also people... Lift off oversteer is real, be careful.
'wot heppns to ay lambokini'
Imagine if english was written in this way. Lmao.
This is why professional racing is so overwhelming to 97% of people because everyone takes for granted ABS, traction control and steering assist, so going as fast as possible without all these, and using manual gear shifts every second, requires focus, multitasking and practice that is second to none
just amazing... awesome tech!
saudi drift
P.s: Traction control is used to enhanced driver control as throttle input applied is mis-matched to road surface conditions (due to varying factors) being unable to manage applied torque. Key part is 'manage applied torque), which means it is only active under acceleration.
1:07 - 1:12 That was some MLG stuff right there from Fast And The Furious.
how the fuck is he spinning this wheel so fast
Max200012 he really isn't spinning it that fast have you never seen professional drifters?
I'd pay to see that in a Noble M600...
Or a reliabt robin
To do this you need 2 things... 1.) a runway. 2.) a Lamborghini. And I don't have any of them😫😂
thats literally what happened to me on a rainy night, on a highway with 0 tread on tires, except that one of them blew out, which was what caused it. Was going bout 70mph as well.
maikopl sorry
dumbass...check your tires. you could kill someone.
^
Two kinds of people xD
Should be titled "What happens when you turn the stability control system off" (never do this ) Traction control systems are designed prevent excessive wheel spin on acceleration and there are a few situations (honestly never encountered in a car like this) like climbing a grade in wet snow or a surface like mud where a skilled driver could make progress only with the traction control off or set to allow more slip (and the smarts to not loop the car into solid objects by controlling wheel spin and holding reasonable speed) most of the deaths in older supercars are caused by the exact issues shown above and even a highly skilled driver can not react and counter the issues of physics that electronic stability control system can handle ,(unless the car had method of side to side independent brake control with abs that the driver had direct reactive control over and I still drought they would be fast enough) ,, in truth the future will see 4 wheel reactive torque vectoring control systems (some of the 4 motor electric cars like the Rimac concept one already showcase them,, because these systems don't have to pulse control the brakes applying instant precise counter torque with an electric motor they can counter react faster "and" also change a cars "dynamic road handling response as well" the only time one would turn stability control off is when one had had the "intent" to demonstrate some skilled showcase driving that required an intentionally unstabilized car in a controlled environment. (a race track, not on public roads)
i agreed with you
+Allrock123 i agree, most of the time etc and esc is confused for some reason and on a good note most cars that alow you to turn of esc it is only turning off etc and the only way to disable esc is pulling the relays for the abs system witch you should never do unless it is in a shop and you are testing things.
There are evolutions to ESC that run well above the use of brakes ,, into whats called "intelligent Torque Vectoring" these systems can apply power or braking force dynamically over a hundred times a second,(usually using an electric motor driving each wheel) simply search rimac torque vectoring, give the car the ability to sense road position in relation to other cars and objects on might collide with these systems can use power to spin the car on its access and use vectored power even at extreme angles.
I was going to post this, glad i found your comment :D
Allrock123 I have no TC on my e36
ESP ON* Car: "Don't touch me I got this"
It would be very interesting to see this test standardized and repeated for other vehicles to see how they respond! It would make a great segment for you guys to upload!
my brother got a gt3 a while back and they were like "unless your on a track and are a spectacular driver, leave the traction control on" the systems in these cars are gone beyond the capabilities of most drivers now and its a good thing
2:38 he spit so much lol
Lol
Spat*
Keeps everything moist😁
And yet people wonder why Rodas and Walker crashed in a Carrera GT
*hint* (it doesn't have ESP)
R.I.P :/
Don't blame the Carrera GT for not having esp. They were speeding over 120mph that was the cause of the crash, and don't hate the Carrera GT just because of this incident.
They were clocked going in between 95-105mph when they crashed
I don't blame the car for anything as it doesn't drive itself. What I do take notice is the Carrera GT Is the German equivalent to an AC Cobra or the original Dodge Viper... Your own your when you drive that thing
Everybody makes mistakes, but In Rodas & Walkers case I'd have much rather been in a car that would try to save me rather than punting me into a tree 😐
Adonis Limes The tires where also very old, I heard they where 9 or so years old if I recall correctly. I don't remember the
exact number.
richzilla08 No they weren't , I don't think Michelin Pilot SuperSports were made 9 years ago, that's just one of the many stupid rumors.
wow thanks!! , i usually had mines off because the steering was stiff, but now i know why it come automatically on.. great vid!! was wondering!
so to perform a drift, turn off the ESP, am I right?
why the title say traction control
but the content ESP
TRC = ESP?
+Tresvigint Electronic Stability Program
+Tresvigint Different systems
+Brohana no same
yes. americans call it trc
+Brohana Same system, different names
What happens to the gear box, as you spin, is there a possible to damage it?
why would it be damaged
Tiqo as it is spining in one direccion at a certain rpm speed and as the car spins the wheels spin in the opposite direccion and so does the gear box. seems like a lot of mechanical effort to the gears and components.
you know there is a clutch right? :p
Tiqo just in case it the clutch doesn't slip. clearly it didn't brake. just wondering if it's a possibility.
Lautaro Hunzicker Well you could blow your diff. I'm sure it causes transmission damage as well. It's like putting the shifter in reverse while going down the highway. Bad idea..
I kinda think the autocar host should already know that rack and pinion steering cars (as a unintended side effect) auto correct a slide, or fishtail. You can literally let go of the steering wheel, and it seemely magically does the right thing, and the car straightens out. The front wheels are simply facing the direction that provides the least resistance, which happens to be in the direction of the mass of the vehicle, which is usually straight.
3:08 me rolling up to collage in a lambo
i have ESP in my car and there is no OFF button.
at the back of my mind this was always a disapointment, since i like some fast driving on empty twisty roads when i can...
but after an early morning when the ESP saved me from hitting a curb and a lot of repair money because i was sleepy behind the wheel, i never said anything bad about it ever again...
and it is not even disturbing on twisty roads, very well set up, at least at my car
Traction control and ESP OFF is ONLY for experienced drivers that do rallying racing, etc. This video is a clear example of it. Also the title's kinda inaccurate ESP is not traction control it's stability control for those confused.
*Grabs popcorn while reading all the "experts" in the comment section below*
Why wouldn't the car start after the spin? Did the wheels going backwards cause any damage or did you have the clutch out?
+540iDavid Some cars you cant just turn the key from acc to ignition and start it after stalling it. You have to turn the key all the way to the off position then back on. When you stall it, the key is still turned to acc. My last couple of cars are like that. Freaked me out when i was learning to drive standard, I thought I broke something lol But not sure if modern Lamborghini even have keys. I think I saw him trying to turn it in the vid but idk
-Project Xfire- He had it in drive in the video. An auto will never start in drive unless it wants to shoot the car forward and burn the starter lol
Oh okay lol I don't think you would want either in a Lamborghini
When you are in high gears and low velocity, your vehicle won't have enough torque to spin the wheels. Forgot?
What a great video!
I do the same thing at 150 mph in my ford gt ... in gran turismo of course :)
i had an '02 'vette, and i never thought to turn off the traction control.
granted, the thing was nothing like some of these super cars of today, but the thing was still way too fast for the road. never had a single issue, as far as having lost control, despite mashing the gas.
I always liked this car, so I'm sad to see the final verdion of it. but I'm really excited to see what the replacement is going to be like.
It might help if you didn't lock the steering wheel from one side to the other. Try aiming the wheels in the direction you want to go.
Dude please tell me you know the difference between ESC and traction control.
I did the second version during winter in my '86 fiero xD lol
thank you for sharing this feature. We love the Gallardo.
2:58 same sound as my audi a6 warning
For me the Gallardo was one of the most beautiful cars in production and now it just looks terrible with the new front and rear bumper
I've been in that situation, NOT in a Lambo, not even a fast car, just a mortal car with no safety features at all. ~60 mph, a car ahead was about to change from middle to right line, I checked my left and blind spot for passing, watch front, and the car was almost stopped and still in the middle! Quickly braked and steered left, and the car went absolutely mad, I managed to correct it from spinning but not from touching the other car, a little push that left some red paint on my front bumper.
My old 4x4 was not equipped with esp. first buyer didn't add that option. It really did yaw on corners
That mentality is fine on a track, or even a quiet twisty road if you're good, but in the situation simulated here, I'd MUCH rather have anything I need to stop myself going backwards into a barrier or another car at motorway speeds.
that was a clean boomerang! 10/10
Lol this became a meme 😂
2009 Kia Amanti ESP saved me when the brakes faded from 100 MPH (test driving the car) as I was trying to make a turn... 2013 Fiat 500 saved me as I got confused and realized I was about to miss my exit. ESP is a good investment.
And you're a fucking terrible driver. Seriously.
Well... since you don't know me, and judging me, Im starting to really question your driving skill or whether or not you have a driver's license or ever driven a car.
Im just saying
2002altima
I'd rather question your spelling skills haha
2002altima Yeah I don't know you, but from what you wrote you sound like a terrible driver....just saying.
I lost traction in my car on wet leaves going round a L - corner. Foot off accelerator, (NO BRAKE) followed skid with steering, took hands off steering wheel like Steve did when wheel suddenly snapped back to centre as the wheels regained traction due to car being same speed as wheels again. Drove away.
Oh and that was in my trusty $1000AUD 1985 Toyota Seca Hatchback front wheel drive with 50 kg of tools in the back :P
you're right. people also tell me not to turn the traction off in my 75 bhp 206 - but now I see I'll rather keep it on!! if you know what I mean..
That’s too little horsepower to do anything it’s only good to turn it off when you have 600 horsepower
3:09 Damn he just pulled a DK there 😂
I’ve done that in my Chevy cobalt lt
the computer in 2013 Gallardo is bloody genius!
Dr. Strange must've had ESC off! ;)
In short ESP is nothing but ultra instinct 🔥🔥🔥
Better than any PSA could have been ;)
Steve you made the book 365 sports cars you must drive! I love that book
For RWD cars, ESC would brake the inside wheel or the spinning wheel.
isnt the whole point of turning that esp off is to drift ????
I know right!
It's not build for drift sinds it's just a RWD, If you're looking for a drifty lambo it would be a Huracan
you have a point. his choice of a lambo is not innocent, mid-engined cars are by definition more difficult to balance at the limit, they snap from one situation to another very quickly. On the highway, definitely keep your esp on. But on a twisty road, if you know what you are doing... The speeds are slower anyway, and you're braking before the corners, you balance the weight transfer, you're more in control than you think, and definitely more in control than when you're cruising on a highway.
The Agera stability and traction is very good and precise. It work while going over 100 mph. It on superspeeders channel.
It looks so different from the original.
whew I thought it was just me
Lemoncilaneous It's the Balboni version... it's also rear wheel drive
Lemoncilaneous final edition gallardo
DRIFTER is like dark chocolate labrador thanks dude I was really confused. I like the kit, I knew it wasn't how I remembered it
it looks a bit like a replica
but doing a 360 is really fun and looks awesome
Untill ur on a busy road and go into on coming when you spin out and get hit by a car going 60 with your car already moving around 40 or 50 towards it. That makes a combined collision speed of 100 to 110 mph. Almost certain death right there.
Physics doesn't work like that. If a car hits another car head on going the same speed, it's exactly the same as if it hit a wall. Vectors are counterintuitive sometimes.
Senseless +Cesotoseot
His post makes a simple point.
Cesotoseot only if both cars are the same, if you hit a massive truck with no crumple zone you're screwed
If there is a criticism of the handling, it’s that when you really start to lean on the 560-4 in a quick corner, the nose does have a tendency to run wide. A very well-timed lift will make the nose tuck in and possibly even allow a dose of oversteer with the ESP disengaged but, in essence, there’s a natural degree of understeer engineered into the chassis that mostly adds to the 560’s civility.
Seems legit.
Thanks for your input Mr. Buzzkillington.
If you are curious about this, watch the clip of Tiff Needell testing the Bosch ESP systems on the frozen lake. Very interesting
thumbs up if you think Steve Sutcliffe´s voice (Guy in the video) sounds very similar to Chris Harris!
It's because they are both Russian!
haha, there we go then!
I think it sounds like Ricky Gervais
I drive without it in my moded c6 ls3 mostly when just accelerating at straight aways does launch alot better and wilder but I'm always ready just in case
that looks so fun, spinning around like that,
I was sliding In the lam with the powerglide...
when there is a big road and its completely empty try switching it off and do some swerves at low speeds. see how it reacts.
i fully agree with what u said, i prefer the LP 560 style bumpers
It was ugly before but in this video it looks pretty good. I think its the color probably.
Thanx for the answer. I was wondering the same.
When a Koenigsegg agera r did this it handled it like a boss
lol
So what about those of us that instinctively correct a car? In the first run that seemed to make things worse.
love the gallardo the only lambo i like..i wonder what car does steve drive? apart from press cars of course
Now make this with an Aventador. I'm curious of Richard Hammond saying it's easy to drive.
Off the gas, clutch in, counter steer, keep wheels pointed the direction the car is going. If that fails, you done for.
Well it's paddle shift. What clutch?
well there is a clutch but you can't use it.
You forgot gentle brake.
Braking even lightly while sideways could lock up the wheels even with ABS
Yes, forget the brakes in this case. And Some gallardo's are stick while others are E-Gear, so I guess with an E-gear just flick both paddles to get into neutral.
May I say....long live the NSX...??? Indeed...:)))
AWD, Automatic trans and Stability Controls make these cars easy to drive for anyone. Robs them of that tactile feel that makes a great sports car, but a weapon in an inexperienced drivers hands.
it's getting better every day
dude can drive, right on.
The description says "four-wheel drive supercar"
If you know what you are doing, you can be in a car without ESC, and save it if you know when to let go of the wheel and when to take control again. I don't know about jerking the wheel like you did that was a bit much. Maybe your ESP is different from the cars ESC?
That is pretty spectacular
I hated it at first, but it's been growing on me, wouldn't mind if they only had that one left in the dealer and I had to get it.
it is incredible, it's also more aerodynamically efficient. cheers
"Exhibit A" in the pros and cons of a rearward-biased center of gravity.
if you've ever drifted you'd know that letting go of your wheel will always straighten out the car unless you are past a holdable drift angle, it is simply the path of least resistance for the car to take. and that comment about not turning of your trac control at the end is BS. my car for example, a 2012 subaru legacy GT, has one of the worst traction control systems I've ever seen and it robs me of the control i need to save the car in very slick conditions, on dry pavement its reactions work well enough but in the slick stuff my TCS can be legitimately dangerous. if your car is "cheap" your TCS probably is too.
I know, its incredible how well these systems work
The new facelift looks really nice!
esp and tc aka why i dont ever plan on owning a car after 2000
I like. But what I like the most in that car is NOISE. The best in the world!
Not a fan of autocar, but a fan of gallardo
Traction control is like.. when youre idle it reduces wheel spin at full throttle. It starts car it 2nd gear or so.
Esp prevents the car from doodling all over the road once its outta balance.
i would have liked to have seen the ESP correct without you letting go of the wheel. when a "driver" panics, all controls are frozen in place, and/or the brakes come on. as a skidpad instructor, i have seen amazing things accomplished by ESP, but all the engineering in the world, can't overcome a rotational inertia that overpowers the grip of the tires. the most impressive automatic spin recoveries i've seen are from Mercedes. but if you throw them hard enough, they will spin violently.