Come into the Betting Weekly Dojo and learn about how to navigate the gray areas of betting from the masters, Neil Channing & Nigel Seeley. 00:00 Tiny Bets Makeover 04:00 Expecting Moving Markets 10:20 Navigating the Gray Areas of Sports Betting - Palpable Errors 32:30 Save the First Dance for Neil
Anything with Neil Channing is great value imo In a world full on half cooked opinions, he stands out a mile. The credibility he gives your network cannot be underestimated. The shrewdest of shrewd operators. Great pod, keep it up, love the old stories the most X
I remember Robert jenk. During COVID on TV each morning and sounding like the biggest dope I've heard and now his favourite for a head of a party. Mind boggles
I’m based in England but work for a U.S. sportsbook. When it comes to palps it often depends on which state the customer is betting from as different states have different license agreements. I think NJ for example, it’s very very difficult for us to palp anything at all. And generally it’s harder regardless of state compared to the UK.
Hi guys. Love the show. My story with respect to your topic, I made a bet through an offshore book before the season started on McCaffery under 1150 yards rushing. After week 1 was finished, they cancelled the bet. The kicker was they counted my euro golf bet on Guido Migliozzi as a loss. Migliozzi was listed on the original tee time list but did not even compete. 🤣🤣😂😂😩😩😫😫
Fantastic inside information Nigel / 16/1 should of been the best bet of your life time and could of retired early / your rite about how awesome topics were as well /best weekly show there is /keep it going lads
I had a look but found nothing but I really think Neil should write a book based on his life experiences, he seems like a guy with a few comical/interesting stories to tell.
As someone in the UK, the biggest grey area for me with palps is whether has something has just been priced up wrong by a bookie, but in the belief that they are correct. I.e haven't actually made a mistake such as typing the odds in wrong, or getting them the wrong way round etc. I've had instances in nicher markets, but on popular sports, where say I've backed something at say 10/1 when I believe it should be 2/1 but I know it's not a palpable error, based on other odds in the past maybe or something, it's just that the odds compiler for that sport at that company is clueless either in that particular market or sport or both. In my opinion that's not a palpable error, the odds compiler is just bad at his job and the bookmaker is at fault for employing them!
Great show yet again. Palpable errors have to be there to give the bookies some protection on the 'obvious' things. One i do remember is betting on The Masters (Golf) and looking at the hole stats. Each player to birdie or better hole 2 (One of the easier par 5's) was priced up at 33/1 each player in a 3 ball. I had £100 each player, they all made birdie and bookie paid out in full. A few hours later the balance completley disapeared and i got an email saying it was a palp and each player was paid out at 4/9. One of the more obvious ones and the ruling saved them 10k. I don't tend to bother betting the more obvious things these days as its likley just an account closer. Although too many times they swing it in their favour with the more questionable ones which is what us punters don't like it I guess and why the bookies get a bad rep for it. Like you say its not black and white. Very interesting subject area. Keep up the good work.
Agree with you on Sonego example but also feel as though these days its less likely someone in books will be switched on enough to even realise on something like that!
I bet the Mason ATS at 13/2, the day before on the strength that I thought there was a fair chance if CMC played he wouldn’t be fully fit, and he may get some runs. That kind of anticipation is fine I think
William Hell knocked me back some years ago for a Cheltenham festival antepost bet, a horse called Fondmort ran in the handicap festival plate, but when I went to collect my winnings, was told it was never 20/1 and it was always going to be settled as 7/2F , double antepost entry….the usual guff
I might be completely clueless here but when it comes to the palp on the nfl. Surely some firms are following each other, lie when you look a line up these days some firm gets it right or wrong? Am I right I’m saying that?
In the last dojo video Neil mentioned it is hard to win on exchanges because of big syndicates involved. I thought it is better to use exchanges because they offer better odds, trades and lay options. Unfortunately we do not have any betting exchange is US. Why would you think it’s hard to win on exchanges?
Because there is so much smart money on it ,hovering up all the mug bets and the paddy power bot as well of course ,if you aren't already a long term winner it's a waste of time to start now
Neil, can you share the story how the old gal who was trained up by Derren Brown did you in back in the day? Was there anything shady going on behind the scenes or was it just her day!? 😂
talking about palpable errors the bookies want it both ways,bf had a special bet up the 2 liverpool strikers 2 shots each on target i think it was 4/1 sala and nunez i think ,teams announced both on the bench both come on with 10 mins to go and your bet is in play even though they need 4 shots on target between them in 10 mins,how can that bet not be void,they want it both ways
If an online Sportsbook offers odds on any market, do you agree there should be a mandatory lay to loose clause per customer? I.e +100 or evens, every customer should be entitled to bet $100 on said market! I bet BBC Sports Person of the Year, was knocked back for a max €25 on an evens fav chance! And was sarcastically told “to be luck to be allowed accommodate $25 stake
Bets on Mason even after McCaffery is announced out must be honored. It’s an information business on both sides of the counter after all. Books have it easier than the betters in that can simply pull the market down until they figure out what they want to do. They must also honor any markets they price because they won’t void my bet if I told them I fat fingered it when placing it (like place a $1000 wager when you intended to place one for $100), even if the match has yet to kick off. No sympathy.
Come into the Betting Weekly Dojo and learn about how to navigate the gray areas of betting from the masters, Neil Channing & Nigel Seeley.
00:00 Tiny Bets Makeover
04:00 Expecting Moving Markets
10:20 Navigating the Gray Areas of Sports Betting - Palpable Errors
32:30 Save the First Dance for Neil
Anything with Neil Channing is great value imo
In a world full on half cooked opinions, he stands out a mile.
The credibility he gives your network cannot be underestimated.
The shrewdest of shrewd operators.
Great pod, keep it up, love the old stories the most X
@@murphyaj thank you
Good man Neil. We both made a bit on North Aberdeenshire in the last election✊
I remember Robert jenk. During COVID on TV each morning and sounding like the biggest dope I've heard and now his favourite for a head of a party. Mind boggles
Big fan of this Dojo...love listening to Neil
Love every show, but I respect both of these War Heroes
I’m based in England but work for a U.S. sportsbook. When it comes to palps it often depends on which state the customer is betting from as different states have different license agreements. I think NJ for example, it’s very very difficult for us to palp anything at all. And generally it’s harder regardless of state compared to the UK.
Great show very interesting listen as usual 👏
@@seanbrennan551 thank you
Hi guys. Love the show. My story with respect to your topic, I made a bet through an offshore book before the season started on McCaffery under 1150 yards rushing. After week 1 was finished, they cancelled the bet. The kicker was they counted my euro golf bet on Guido Migliozzi as a loss. Migliozzi was listed on the original tee time list but did not even compete. 🤣🤣😂😂😩😩😫😫
That’s mental! . How easy is it tho set up on off shore book? Do you mind me asking
Great show once again very entertaining! Love the old gambling stories 👍🏼
@@ClaytonOConnor-cs4dc thank you
Fantastic inside information Nigel / 16/1 should of been the best bet of your life time and could of retired early / your rite about how awesome topics were as well /best weekly show there is /keep it going lads
Good evening, Nigel and Neil.
@@rayburke-xg8yr evening Ray
I had a look but found nothing but I really think Neil should write a book based on his life experiences, he seems like a guy with a few comical/interesting stories to tell.
Love the show ❤
Best on RUclips
@@lukebayshaw1958 thank you . It’s the really side of betting and bettors .
so good to listen to this. More of it
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Grey shirt, no buffering, perfect stream. Told you!
brilliant watch, while on my execrise bikw
As someone in the UK, the biggest grey area for me with palps is whether has something has just been priced up wrong by a bookie, but in the belief that they are correct. I.e haven't actually made a mistake such as typing the odds in wrong, or getting them the wrong way round etc.
I've had instances in nicher markets, but on popular sports, where say I've backed something at say 10/1 when I believe it should be 2/1 but I know it's not a palpable error, based on other odds in the past maybe or something, it's just that the odds compiler for that sport at that company is clueless either in that particular market or sport or both. In my opinion that's not a palpable error, the odds compiler is just bad at his job and the bookmaker is at fault for employing them!
Great show yet again. Palpable errors have to be there to give the bookies some protection on the 'obvious' things. One i do remember is betting on The Masters (Golf) and looking at the hole stats. Each player to birdie or better hole 2 (One of the easier par 5's) was priced up at 33/1 each player in a 3 ball. I had £100 each player, they all made birdie and bookie paid out in full. A few hours later the balance completley disapeared and i got an email saying it was a palp and each player was paid out at 4/9. One of the more obvious ones and the ruling saved them 10k. I don't tend to bother betting the more obvious things these days as its likley just an account closer.
Although too many times they swing it in their favour with the more questionable ones which is what us punters don't like it I guess and why the bookies get a bad rep for it. Like you say its not black and white. Very interesting subject area. Keep up the good work.
Agree with you on Sonego example but also feel as though these days its less likely someone in books will be switched on enough to even realise on something like that!
Excellent podcast
Mitchigan. Love the fresh look on the shit show over here. These guys are great. Great info
@@shawnb343 thank you
This was awesome - where's champions league for this week?! It's the first week and there's all kinds of spots!
From sir mark prescott on Sunday to Nigel today Who next week (how the mighty have fallen
in South Africa they do void errors ( and if you spot a error and report it you get a free bet )
I bet the Mason ATS at 13/2, the day before on the strength that I thought there was a fair chance if CMC played he wouldn’t be fully fit, and he may get some runs.
That kind of anticipation is fine I think
Kemi Badenoch leads in YouGov poll of Tory members. If she gets to last 2 probable winner.
In sensei, we trust!
No issues with betting on poltics. Even the politicians in the UK bet on themselves haha
bookmaking 101 is that is Channing calls up and asks for a price on something not listed in a novelty market the answer is 6/4 max
William Hell knocked me back some years ago for a Cheltenham festival antepost bet, a horse called Fondmort ran in the handicap festival plate, but when I went to collect my winnings, was told it was never 20/1 and it was always going to be settled as 7/2F , double antepost entry….the usual guff
I might be completely clueless here but when it comes to the palp on the nfl. Surely some firms are following each other, lie when you look a line up these days some firm gets it right or wrong? Am I right I’m saying that?
I have no time for Neil's lefty politics which is why i don't follow him on X but do enjoy listening to him on here.
A moderate man/woman good to see. I missus thinks I have an unhealthy fascination with him because I like both 😂
In the last dojo video Neil mentioned it is hard to win on exchanges because of big syndicates involved. I thought it is better to use exchanges because they offer better odds, trades and lay options. Unfortunately we do not have any betting exchange is US. Why would you think it’s hard to win on exchanges?
Because there is so much smart money on it ,hovering up all the mug bets and the paddy power bot as well of course ,if you aren't already a long term winner it's a waste of time to start now
Neil, can you share the story how the old gal who was trained up by Derren Brown did you in back in the day? Was there anything shady going on behind the scenes or was it just her day!? 😂
Alternative name for subscribers: dojoiners?
talking about palpable errors the bookies want it both ways,bf had a special bet up the 2 liverpool strikers 2 shots each on target i think it was 4/1 sala and nunez i think ,teams announced both on the bench both come on with 10 mins to go and your bet is in play even though they need 4 shots on target between them in 10 mins,how can that bet not be void,they want it both ways
Wait for team news?
Who would have the most say on the Ukraine war ?
That's why I think Kammala looks better value.
If an online Sportsbook offers odds on any market, do you agree there should be a mandatory lay to loose clause per customer? I.e +100 or evens, every customer should be entitled to bet $100 on said market!
I bet BBC Sports Person of the Year, was knocked back for a max €25 on an evens fav chance! And was sarcastically told “to be luck to be allowed accommodate $25 stake
* GREY AREAS
Bets on Mason even after McCaffery is announced out must be honored. It’s an information business on both sides of the counter after all. Books have it easier than the betters in that can simply pull the market down until they figure out what they want to do. They must also honor any markets they price because they won’t void my bet if I told them I fat fingered it when placing it (like place a $1000 wager when you intended to place one for $100), even if the match has yet to kick off. No sympathy.
Leader is elected by the Conservative members though. Sunak was way ahead of Truss at this stage in 2022 and she got in. Badenoch will win this one.
If down to the Tory party members it's badenoch.
Stop butting in Neil and let Nigel answer your question 😂🤣😂
@@johnelephantjt ha ha