YES! I've been waiting for this video forever! I felt like I was in an ASMR video during the noise section but you highlighted probably the biggest downfall of the Ether Light XT for a lot of people. But it's the only pad I've ever used where I sleep through the night without waking up to adjust - so comfortable. AGREED on the pillow lock system. The velcro also messed up my girlfriend sleeping bag when she put her pillow in her sleeping bag good due to the velcro grabbing at it.
I’ve tried most mainstream sleeping pads and after Justin’s video made the switch to the Ether. Have never looked back. It’s incredibly comfortable, especially when you dial in the air plushness. I actually got the women’s large for a little bit better R-value and save a bit of weight. They’ve been having trouble keeping in stock so just grabbed one for my gf too. Love it!
@@ondrej_kraus that's actually .3, but considering I wanted a 25" wide pad with a 6' length, it's a no brainer for me. If you're looking at a similar pad, why not get the additional R Value if you're ok with the somewhat different design of the pad. If you need longer length, I'd definitely go with the men's version though.
I have a little different viewpoint. I just bought the STS Ether Light XT Women's to use on my futon. I was hit with a very bad case of sciatica and have pretty much spent the last 5 weeks laying down on my left side. But this "4-inches-of-air" pad is keeping pressure off my hip/leg! I slept well last night, no noise, can actually sit up with little to no pain! It's so comfortable! And I don't think it's noisy at all. I was concerned from reviews I read. Maybe because I'm a quiet sleeper and don't wiggle around?? At any rate, for anyone with back problems, you might want to consider this for pressure relief. Can't speak to the camping aspects but I know I'm not alone in back issues and pain. Its a great pad in my opinion. Glad I didn't have to shop around. Got the right pad on the first go!
For your Velcro problem. Buy Velcro from home improvement store, and cut opposing pieces. Peal sticky back and adhere to a comfortable fabric. Then stick to exposed Velcro on sleeping mat. That way, only the comfortable fabric is exposed creating a non stick surface. And if you ever use the proprietary pillow, simply remove your Velcro strips.
I don't like single use items so bought the Exped Schnozzel pumpbag that doubles as a dry bag. The connection is a little looser to the Nemo pad, but it works.
I went from a Thermarest to the Nemo Tensor wide and couldn't be happier. I clock in at 110kg and my sleep quality is fantastic. I have a Sea to Summit Ascent II Sleeping bag for a really cosy set up.
So glad the Ether Light is getting some more love. It’s the unsung king of inflatable pads. After a ton of research, I’ve only ever used that pad and no other. Well worth the extra weight and size for much better sleep, especially I’m a 6ft2 big side-sleeper guy.
Having gone from a closed cell foam to inflatable. I noticed a night and day difference. My Thermarest all season was my go to sleeping pad. But just recently on the last two trips I've noticed pressure points at my shoulders and hips(being a side sleeper). I usually fully inflate the thermarest, but lately I have maxed it out then let a little air out. I hoped it would make the pad a little softer. But it did not correct the problem. Honestly I do not see the Ether light being any noisier that my Thermarest. As a backpacker in his sixties I want to stay in the game. I have quite a few trails ahead of me yet. So investing in my sleep is very important. Your video is well timed for my situation. I will be looking for the Sea to Summit. Thanks
I love my Nemo tensor. Have been looking for the STS, but I don't think that the extra bulk and weight is worth buying it as well. The tensor is already so comfortable.
I have the Nemo Alpine and the Sea to Summit Ether light and I find the Nemo to be more comfortable even though it’s an inch thinner. It also packs down just as small. The Nemo might be a bit smaller. Considering the Nemo is a winter pad and the Ether is a summer pad I’d say it’s a win for Nemo.
Bought the Ether Light XT in March and I truly sleep like a good baby. I'm 6'1 and weigh 225ish...and no issues with support. I did "fight" with the pillow for a while. It was always moving around or slipping out from under me. Then I finally used those velcro-like stickers which secured my pillow....WOW...what a difference this made.
I assume you got a large? I'm right on 183cm (6ft) and 88kg (194) and not sure if I should get regular for smaller pack down size/cheaper. Would you recommend a large in this case if I'm right on the limit - I am a rotisserie side sleeper and sometimes on my stomach for a while.
I ordered the Etherlight based on many great reviews. I immediately hated it. To me it felt like laying on a rubbery squeaky pool toy. So on my next trip to REI, I took the time to try all the higher-end models and left with the Tensor. It seemed to have the best combination of weight, comfort, fabric noise and stability. It really pays to try before you buy...if you're able.
Same. Very underwhelmed with the Ether Light. I was coming from a regular Tensor insulated and trying to upgrade for better sleep, ended up moving to a tensor wide and that'll be there in a couple days. Other models just didn't do it for me.
In England on ebay there are lots of ether light xt. They all say the same, used one night. Lots of people don't like them. Ghe trouble in England is that there is nowhere to try them out.
I purchased the women’s regular s2s xt after trying to find any available stock of the nemo tensor (due to not living in the us). So glad I struggled because that guided me to this glorious pad! Even the 20 inch is super comfy for a side sleeper, I highly recommend
I really wish I could create my own sleeping pad that combined features I like from 3 sleeping pads: I want the shape and the baffles and the valve from the Sea to Summit, the soft fabric from the Nemo Tensor, and the warmth to weigh ratio of the Neoair. Can’t have it all though I guess!! 😩
Totally agree, except for the last bit. I reckon the internet has gotten to the point where someone like you with a good idea should be able to put it out there, get a bunch of others to chip in and commission the item. As the OG you'd own the idea and everyone who contributed money and know how would also get some cut of any sales above and beyond the ones we get.
Have both pads love the Ether Light. If you want the ultimate sleep experience get the Goose Feet Gear down pillow. I use the medium with 5oz of fill which weights 6.5oz. It has a pocket that allows you to slip in your puffy or a light weight air pillow. Big Sky International makes one that weights 1.5oz that works good. If you stuff your puffy as well as air pillow inside it is more comfortable than your pillow at home and almost the same size but compresses well.
Nice video! The fabric noise perhaps results from Nemo using polyester and STS using nylon. IMO: Air pads and cooking systems are the two most frustrating BP categories! Everything else seems to work itself out. I'm currently A/B-ing the Tensor and STS' ULTRALIGHT INSULATED AIR SLEEPING MAT, not the Ether. I ordered one of each from REI. At first glance, the Tensor would be the winner. At 3" vs. 2" that's a no-brainer. And you can get a full rectangular pad where STS only offers a mummy. I've done two things so far: 1) I looked at their websites. THE SINGLE DEAL BREAKER for me is pad failure. I just returned a UL Therm-a-rest, leaked out of the box. And I don't mean me poking a hole in it, I mean mfgr defects, bad fabrics, sealing issues, valve issues, coating issues. On their websites: Nemo has a lot of bad reviews regarding pad failure; STS does not. 2) I emailed both companies asking about field repairs. Nemo's response was really stupid: "we don't sell repair kits." I responded with another question, no reply. STS: Very intelligent response and pad comes with self-stick patches. Nice, bc I don't want to fool with liquid cement out in the field. STS is 30D nylon on top, 40D nylon on bottom. Tensor is 20D polyester throughout. You can research what you think is best. Upcoming: My plan is to inflate both pads, bounce on them at home, sleep on them for a couple nights. Then return the one that makes me less happy. I want to like the Tensor but I'm afraid the UL hoopla has driven some manufacturers to lighten products too much. I've been watching this issue since the Ray Jardine days. Prior to 2000, everybody wanted "bomb-proof," mil-spec stuff. Today, the outcry is for UL - and then everyone complains when their stove blows up or their pad goes flat. Okay so, happy camping!
Hey do you have any updates on this? I'm in that boat rn and my buddy swears by his STS, but I'm worried cuz I'm usually a side sleeper. That said, the pad failure is probably one of my top issues.
Awesome video. Like most others I have spent a lot of time researching and trying out the right sleeping pad for me. I purchased the nemo Alpine which is awesome and have defiantly considered the ether light XT. When I did my evaluation the nemo seemed to better on size and pack weight. I would really like to give the ether a go, just can’t justify having any more pads.
Thanks for this! It helped me finally decide on which mat to buy after weeks of deliberation. I ended up getting the Sea To Summit Ether Light XT and have not been disappointed!
Haha. My wife got the STS women's version earlier this year and I got the Tensor because of the hype for both. They both feel like luxurious pads and both upgrades to our respective NeoAirs. That said, I am probably still taking my NeoAir to the Wind Rivers this week. It's still pretty comfortable for a few ounces less weight. Also found out last night that the Nemo Vortex pump bag works really well on the old style NeoAir valves. All this from a guy who also finds Klymit Static V to be very comfortable because I don't don't bottom out on those either except when sitting up on it.
I'm all for comfort but the noise would drive me nuts as I'm a very light sleeper! I'm going with the NEMO Tensor Regular Wide since I'm a side sleeper and heard they were the best for people who sleep mostly on their sides.
@@bertman4 I just purchased 2 of the NEMO Tensor Insulated Regular Wide pads from Enwild! Can't wait to try them out - one for me and one for my husband who's 6'3"!
I have an alpine tensor. Weight is 17 ounces and it has a better R value than the Sea to Summit. I have used it for many nights in very cold temps, down to 10 degrees and sleep great. It is comfortable enough for me. Packs down small with the pump and everything takes up very little room in my pack.
I have both these pads and definitely prefer the Sea to Summit. However I'm not a fan of the pump sack. Its OK however the Exped pump sack can also be used without blowing at all. I agree the nemo pump sack is better than the sea to summit, but it still requires a small blow to open it. I found I still therefore gets a little moisture in there. The large mouthed, full width air sacks can be used as dry bags and with the right technique can fill the matt very quickly with zero blowing.
Great video! The tensor and xlite get a lot of love online elsewhere so it’s nice to see this review on the ether light. I recently found out that if the S2S pump sack is turned inside out, the smaller inner nozzle will fit and inflate the S2S pillows. Slightly embarrassed that I did not know that. LOL.
@@BackcountryExposure The instructions are printed on the pump/stuff sack for my S2S ultralight insulated pad. All this time and I never read it. Haha.
The STS pad is the one that I've kept my eye on and have planned to get! Thinking about getting the women's version. And now I've realized I've been thinking about this for almost 2 years now. hahaha
Always great vids! For whatever it's worth, I have the new tensor and the old one (which had synthetic fill inside) and the old one molded pretty bad when I used my breath to blow it up. Not sure if that will happen on the sea to summit, but just thought I'd share. I use pump sacks now and the weight is totally worth it. Cheers!
Still using an Xlite, the older versions are noisy for sure but never had an issue with mine which was made just before the valve upgrade. I find it very comfortable but my only comparison is the original venture and the second generation ventures that I got for my sons. Only negatives I can add about it are that the aluminized mylar breaks down easily and you can see where the metallic coating has worn away when you shin a light on it. And I just had to ship it off today as it developed a bubble on on of the baffles :-( so I'll be back to my trusty venture util they get back to me. Part of me wants to try a 25" pad even though I have zero issues staying on a 20" pad as a side sleeper.
Durability too…think the StS has the Nemo beat. Had a very hard to find pinhole in my tensor and I baby my gear. Am worried that will become an issue based on all the reviews I have read. Think I will have more confidence in my StS ether pad. Also wondering how a zenbivy sleep system would improve the ether. Going to maybe invest in that one next season.
Using the Nemo Tensor long/wide for motorcycle and backpacking/bikepacking trips, and it's the only pad I've ever owned that doesn't wake me up at night with crinkling etc. I don't find myself backpacking in sub 20 degree temps, so not sure if the added R-value of the Ether Light would be worth it.
I’m a small person but I just can’t sleep on a 20” pad, that little extra width on sea to summit pads makes a surprisingly big difference. Plus I ditched the stuff sack and I use an Exped schnozzel inflator (also multi use as dry bag)
I am using a TaR Uberlite and a S2S Etherlight XT - both in the large mummy version...the Etherlight is WAY more comfortable in my opinion. I only use the Uberlite when I need the smallest volume (not weight) possible - which is in a Bikepacking setup. Otherwise I'd always go for the S2S.
I will be moving to the Tensor Alpine after having a NIGHTMARE with the Etherlight XT Insulated. It seems that the S2S works well for weekend warriors, but for someone who is on a long term trip like myself: it is completely unreliable. For context, I am on a long term bike-touring trip and generally camp every night if possible. I have been on the road for about 6 months. After around 20-30 nights of sleeping on the mat, the "air springs" begin to fail; one at a time. You'll wake up on the floor one morning, patch the leak, and then the next morning there is another leak. This "domino effect" will continue until the pad has up to 30 patches on it. This is a known issue with the mat that S2S seem unwilling to acknowledge. I have spoken to numerous other people with the issue, including one guy who is his 4th replacement (also full of leaks), and although S2S are willing to replace the mat every time it fails, this doesn't make up for the nights spent sleeping on the ground until they send the replacement. AGAIN: This is not an isolated incident. It is a common occurrence with people using the Etherlight XT Insulated long term. In the end I managed to get a full refund from the store that I purchased the mat from and will be taking my money to Nemo instead - which is a shame, because I am generally a fan of S2S products and have always supported them as a company.
@@dammitau Yes, there was the guy I mentioned in my post who is on his 4th replacement. I have since talked to a couple of other people - one of which is going through the warranty process and the other has just started experiencing the issue.
@@VeloObscura Do you have experience with the Nemo by now? I am about to decide between the two pads and my main reason for going with the STS would be the statements I heard about the Nemo being more vulnerable.
@@BackcountryExposure gossamer gear 1/8 thinlite foampad is super good . Increases R value by 1 , weights almost nothings , prevents the Pad from slipping on the tentfloor and prevents punctures also . Use this and the Uberlite NeoAir in combo . R around 3 and weights not even a pound for both
The timing of this video was spot on! I've literally been doing research the last couple days trying to decide which pad to buy. I'm curious though to what degree the STS pad is more comfortable than the Nemo pad? Like if the STS is a 9 out of 10 for comfort, would the Nemo be super close behind at an 8? Or more like a 6 or 7? Just curious where they both fall on the comfort scale?
Nice! Ah good question. For me, the comfort is more so in the support and the over plushness (is that a word?) of the pad. So if you really want to put numbers to it, the Ether is probably an 8, and the Nemo a low 7. I'd put an Xlite or Uberlite at a 5. Hard to put numbers like that to a pd though, since everyone sleeps so differently.
Yep that makes you and (I can see Justin's comment) Justin Outdoors now big fans of the S2S Ether Light XT! I ultimately went with the Nemo Tensor b/c of the value and black friday deal I got, also b/c S2S is almost always out of stock. They lost my business that day but I'm def going to take a look at their non-insulated version now for the warmer nights. I love the Tensor but hearing how much more comfortable the S2S version is...I gotta check it out! Thanks for the review!
Great video. Thanks for the excellent comparison. Looking at one to buy. Would lie to know your stove tent setup in video. You take all that hiking ?? Or just out of your truck ??
Sea to summit etherlite xt Rectangular reg wide is a dream! Its awesome! Was soo tired of slow inflation, so tired of 20" inch wide pads where you can roll off or your arms fall off the sides. Pads that were only 1"-2" inches thick! 4" inches with the etherlite! 25" inch wide in reg wide and long versions. Warm too with the slight insulation. Can buy the etherlite xt extreme if you need more warmth R-value. The integrated pump sack is the best ive ever used! Night and day compared to the trekology UL 80 i was using. Although that is a great budget pad! Cost is the only down fall with the etherlite but its worth every penny! Hike on!
For those with the Nemo tensor , what’s the lowest you’ve slept in temp wise? I’m looking at buying one . I’ve got a 20 degree quilt , won’t be going much below 20 degrees
I got the women's large Ether Lite for the extra R-value. It's comfy but squeaky af! Wanted the Nemo Tensor but couldn't be found in Europe when I was looking.
Talking only about the EtherLight XT "insulated" (but that would even more applies to the non insulated) : although they claim 3.2 r-value many people reported that it feels colder than it should... and 3.2 isn't a lot to begin with.. If you rarely camp a 30°F/0°C I bet this ain't a big issue. Another cons is the 10cm/4inch height, you could start touching the wall depending depending your shelter style.
That's a good point about the pad height and many non freestanding tents have steep walls and are single wall. So condensation on your bag is more common.
I have the women's Ether Light XT, but can't figure out if I'm actually sleeping better or not vs my EXPED. I feel like I sleep well on both so not sure if I should return the S2S since it was expensive. Is it just field testing over a certain period of time? Or would I notice right away the sleep is better?
For me I noticed the first night on it. I have spent so many nights on the Tensor that I know exactly how it feels and what kind of sleep I am going to get. The first couple nights on the Ether I was sleeping longer and just feel overall more comfortable on the pad.
Nemo's baffling is superior, and it's super comfy. IF they'd just make it out of anything more durable than 20D I'd get another one. You so much as look at those cross-eyed and they'll spring a leak.
k it's memorial day sale again and Nemo is 40% off. but having a 12oz thermarest I really find myself looking for a more comfortable pad. Plus all my other stuff are UL already, I got the s2s women's insulated short. All the reviews I've seen so far pointing to s2s being more comfortable. Plus, in REI I am really not that impressed with the comfort level of Tensor. It doesn't feel that different to my very squeaky thermarest.
I wouldn't because it could tear up the floor of your tent (unless you had like a 1/8" foam pad underneath your inflatable pad). It looks like your options are either 1. Don't install the Velcro strips or 2. Cut some extra Velcro strips to cover the ones on the pad when not in use with a pillow.
the velcro doesn't actually come stuck onto it. you stick it on yourself. I'm not sure why everyone makes such a big deal about the velcro. All you have to do is NOT stick it on, problem solved.
I got the Ether light XT extreme, and it shows an R value of 6.2. Is this correct or have I a different pad? Also I've only used it once so far and indeed found it very rubbery and loud in my tent (Nemo dragonfly).. However, if you put a blanket underneath it that helps a lot. Still undecided about it, it's super comfortable but loud and bulky.
We just got a set of the Ethers and have yet to test them in the field, but they are so much more everything than our old Thermarest pads. I will try and remember to post our thoughts after our trip next weekend.
Oh, man, that S2S Ether Light XT is so Gucci. I mean, that entire price-range of pads is Gucci, obviously (I certainly wouldn't kick the Tensor out of bed on a cold night, literally), but that plush-looking beauty is the first one to _really_ turn my head & give me a serious case of wallet envy. Meanwhile, I'm over here, hitherto perfectly satisfied with my Zoobelives pad & Trekology pillow, suddenly finding myself out on my proverbial balcony singing Somewhere Out There to a grey slip of tufted fabric. That is a very, _very_ nice pad, sir. Hot damn.
Yeah, a lot of solid options. I've also been using the new BA Q-Core SLX in a reg/wide and that is also up there in comfort. I'd probably put it on par with the Tensor or maybe between these two.
I've got one, and its a great pad in terms of weight vs r-value. Prob best on market. All the reviews that talks about how loud it is, i personally don't mind it so much. If you're sleeping outdoors, you're gonna be hearing tons of other sounds, so its not too noticeable imo. Overall, id say the xtherm is worth the money if you camp in pretty cold conditions.
With so many variables in weights for the various sizes of the two pads I hardly made any mention of weight in this video. That is why nothing was put in the video. Most of the time I try to add both imperial and metric into my videos.
a torso length of this www.gossamergear.com/products/thinlight-foam-pad?variant=30497164620 will stop you slipping around. I can sleep quite steep slopes with this. plus a bit of protection from sharp things and it will add to the R value a little and be useful as sitpad during the day. Well worth the 50 grams.
YES! I've been waiting for this video forever! I felt like I was in an ASMR video during the noise section but you highlighted probably the biggest downfall of the Ether Light XT for a lot of people. But it's the only pad I've ever used where I sleep through the night without waking up to adjust - so comfortable.
AGREED on the pillow lock system. The velcro also messed up my girlfriend sleeping bag when she put her pillow in her sleeping bag good due to the velcro grabbing at it.
I’ve tried most mainstream sleeping pads and after Justin’s video made the switch to the Ether. Have never looked back. It’s incredibly comfortable, especially when you dial in the air plushness. I actually got the women’s large for a little bit better R-value and save a bit of weight. They’ve been having trouble keeping in stock so just grabbed one for my gf too. Love it!
Ha! Thanks man! You are who got me interested in the pad to begin with, so thanks! That's a bummer on the velcro!
The R value of women's is 3,5, normal is 3,2. Do you think that extra 0,2 is worth it ?
@@ondrej_kraus that's actually .3, but considering I wanted a 25" wide pad with a 6' length, it's a no brainer for me. If you're looking at a similar pad, why not get the additional R Value if you're ok with the somewhat different design of the pad. If you need longer length, I'd definitely go with the men's version though.
@@emainz1 I understood dude. Makes sense if you’re under 6 feet. I’m kind of pissed I have to get the men’s now. Hahaha.
I have a little different viewpoint. I just bought the STS Ether Light XT Women's to use on my futon. I was hit with a very bad case of sciatica and have pretty much spent the last 5 weeks laying down on my left side. But this "4-inches-of-air" pad is keeping pressure off my hip/leg! I slept well last night, no noise, can actually sit up with little to no pain! It's so comfortable! And I don't think it's noisy at all. I was concerned from reviews I read. Maybe because I'm a quiet sleeper and don't wiggle around?? At any rate, for anyone with back problems, you might want to consider this for pressure relief. Can't speak to the camping aspects but I know I'm not alone in back issues and pain. Its a great pad in my opinion. Glad I didn't have to shop around. Got the right pad on the first go!
That is very reassuring to hear, as I am looking for a new pad for the exact same reason.
Finally someone talks about fabric finish for quilt sleepers.
Wonder how the ether would sleep with a zenbivy system. Slept in the ether pad last weekend with my quilt and it drove me up the wall!
For your Velcro problem. Buy Velcro from home improvement store, and cut opposing pieces. Peal sticky back and adhere to a comfortable fabric. Then stick to exposed Velcro on sleeping mat. That way, only the comfortable fabric is exposed creating a non stick surface. And if you ever use the proprietary pillow, simply remove your Velcro strips.
I don't like single use items so bought the Exped Schnozzel pumpbag that doubles as a dry bag. The connection is a little looser to the Nemo pad, but it works.
I went from a Thermarest to the Nemo Tensor wide and couldn't be happier. I clock in at 110kg and my sleep quality is fantastic. I have a Sea to Summit Ascent II Sleeping bag for a really cosy set up.
So glad the Ether Light is getting some more love. It’s the unsung king of inflatable pads. After a ton of research, I’ve only ever used that pad and no other. Well worth the extra weight and size for much better sleep, especially I’m a 6ft2 big side-sleeper guy.
I’m a 6ft2 side-sleeper guy as well, which one did you go for?
@@mynameisdads8394 the Ether Light XT
Way to go Devin. At least someone who agrees with my pad of choice. I am 6 '4" and the 4 inch pad makes a significant difference.
Having gone from a closed cell foam to inflatable. I noticed a night and day difference. My Thermarest all season was my go to sleeping pad. But just recently on the last two trips I've noticed pressure points at my shoulders and hips(being a side sleeper). I usually fully inflate the thermarest, but lately I have maxed it out then let a little air out. I hoped it would make the pad a little softer. But it did not correct the problem. Honestly I do not see the Ether light being any noisier that my Thermarest.
As a backpacker in his sixties I want to stay in the game. I have quite a few trails ahead of me yet. So investing in my sleep is very important. Your video is well timed for my situation. I will be looking for the Sea to Summit. Thanks
I love my Nemo tensor. Have been looking for the STS, but I don't think that the extra bulk and weight is worth buying it as well. The tensor is already so comfortable.
I’m weighing out the Nemo tensor , have you taken it into the 20s before ? I have a quilt and the big Agnes q core and it’s not holding up
Ok., its been a year now, does it leak ？
@@vess25 no, no issues at all. Still loving it.
@@theoutdoordogandhikinggirl good to hear that！
I have the Nemo Alpine and the Sea to Summit Ether light and I find the Nemo to be more comfortable even though it’s an inch thinner. It also packs down just as small. The Nemo might be a bit smaller. Considering the Nemo is a winter pad and the Ether is a summer pad I’d say it’s a win for Nemo.
Bought the Ether Light XT in March and I truly sleep like a good baby. I'm 6'1 and weigh 225ish...and no issues with support.
I did "fight" with the pillow for a while. It was always moving around or slipping out from under me. Then I finally used those velcro-like stickers which secured my pillow....WOW...what a difference this made.
I do like that the pillow stays in place. Pretty much guarantees better sleep.
I assume you got a large? I'm right on 183cm (6ft) and 88kg (194) and not sure if I should get regular for smaller pack down size/cheaper. Would you recommend a large in this case if I'm right on the limit - I am a rotisserie side sleeper and sometimes on my stomach for a while.
I ordered the Etherlight based on many great reviews. I immediately hated it. To me it felt like laying on a rubbery squeaky pool toy. So on my next trip to REI, I took the time to try all the higher-end models and left with the Tensor. It seemed to have the best combination of weight, comfort, fabric noise and stability. It really pays to try before you buy...if you're able.
Same. Very underwhelmed with the Ether Light. I was coming from a regular Tensor insulated and trying to upgrade for better sleep, ended up moving to a tensor wide and that'll be there in a couple days. Other models just didn't do it for me.
In England on ebay there are lots of ether light xt. They all say the same, used one night. Lots of people don't like them. Ghe trouble in England is that there is nowhere to try them out.
I purchased the women’s regular s2s xt after trying to find any available stock of the nemo tensor (due to not living in the us). So glad I struggled because that guided me to this glorious pad! Even the 20 inch is super comfy for a side sleeper, I highly recommend
Right on!
I really wish I could create my own sleeping pad that combined features I like from 3 sleeping pads: I want the shape and the baffles and the valve from the Sea to Summit, the soft fabric from the Nemo Tensor, and the warmth to weigh ratio of the Neoair. Can’t have it all though I guess!! 😩
Totally agree, except for the last bit. I reckon the internet has gotten to the point where someone like you with a good idea should be able to put it out there, get a bunch of others to chip in and commission the item. As the OG you'd own the idea and everyone who contributed money and know how would also get some cut of any sales above and beyond the ones we get.
Make it lol. Make a company. Im not joking..
Just make sure you fill your air pad with bags of chips so we get the noise we all know and love
Have both pads love the Ether Light. If you want the ultimate sleep experience get the Goose Feet Gear down pillow. I use the medium with 5oz of fill which weights 6.5oz. It has a pocket that allows you to slip in your puffy or a light weight air pillow. Big Sky International makes one that weights 1.5oz that works good. If you stuff your puffy as well as air pillow inside it is more comfortable than your pillow at home and almost the same size but compresses well.
Nice video! The fabric noise perhaps results from Nemo using polyester and STS using nylon.
IMO: Air pads and cooking systems are the two most frustrating BP categories! Everything else seems to work itself out.
I'm currently A/B-ing the Tensor and STS' ULTRALIGHT INSULATED AIR SLEEPING MAT, not the Ether. I ordered one of each from REI. At first glance, the Tensor would be the winner. At 3" vs. 2" that's a no-brainer. And you can get a full rectangular pad where STS only offers a mummy. I've done two things so far: 1) I looked at their websites. THE SINGLE DEAL BREAKER for me is pad failure. I just returned a UL Therm-a-rest, leaked out of the box. And I don't mean me poking a hole in it, I mean mfgr defects, bad fabrics, sealing issues, valve issues, coating issues. On their websites: Nemo has a lot of bad reviews regarding pad failure; STS does not. 2) I emailed both companies asking about field repairs. Nemo's response was really stupid: "we don't sell repair kits." I responded with another question, no reply. STS: Very intelligent response and pad comes with self-stick patches. Nice, bc I don't want to fool with liquid cement out in the field.
STS is 30D nylon on top, 40D nylon on bottom. Tensor is 20D polyester throughout. You can research what you think is best.
Upcoming: My plan is to inflate both pads, bounce on them at home, sleep on them for a couple nights. Then return the one that makes me less happy. I want to like the Tensor but I'm afraid the UL hoopla has driven some manufacturers to lighten products too much. I've been watching this issue since the Ray Jardine days. Prior to 2000, everybody wanted "bomb-proof," mil-spec stuff. Today, the outcry is for UL - and then everyone complains when their stove blows up or their pad goes flat. Okay so, happy camping!
Hey do you have any updates on this? I'm in that boat rn and my buddy swears by his STS, but I'm worried cuz I'm usually a side sleeper. That said, the pad failure is probably one of my top issues.
Awesome video. Like most others I have spent a lot of time researching and trying out the right sleeping pad for me. I purchased the nemo Alpine which is awesome and have defiantly considered the ether light XT. When I did my evaluation the nemo seemed to better on size and pack weight. I would really like to give the ether a go, just can’t justify having any more pads.
4:20 FINALLY, someone does a sound comparison!! Thank you!
Thanks for this! It helped me finally decide on which mat to buy after weeks of deliberation. I ended up getting the Sea To Summit Ether Light XT and have not been disappointed!
I am your 1000th like. 👍🏼
Very useful film, I’m sold on the Nemo Tensor, thanks and best wishes from Scotland.
Haha. My wife got the STS women's version earlier this year and I got the Tensor because of the hype for both. They both feel like luxurious pads and both upgrades to our respective NeoAirs. That said, I am probably still taking my NeoAir to the Wind Rivers this week. It's still pretty comfortable for a few ounces less weight. Also found out last night that the Nemo Vortex pump bag works really well on the old style NeoAir valves. All this from a guy who also finds Klymit Static V to be very comfortable because I don't don't bottom out on those either except when sitting up on it.
ha! I didn't realize you got both of the pads. I knew you got the Tensor. I have spent one night on the Static V... never again!
I'm all for comfort but the noise would drive me nuts as I'm a very light sleeper! I'm going with the NEMO Tensor Regular Wide since I'm a side sleeper and heard they were the best for people who sleep mostly on their sides.
I'm a side sleeper and use the Memo Tensor Insulated Regular Wide with a Hammock Gear quilt. It is an outstanding pad.
@@bertman4 I just purchased 2 of the NEMO Tensor Insulated Regular Wide pads from Enwild! Can't wait to try them out - one for me and one for my husband who's 6'3"!
I have an alpine tensor. Weight is 17 ounces and it has a better R value than the Sea to Summit. I have used it for many nights in very cold temps, down to 10 degrees and sleep great. It is comfortable enough for me. Packs down small with the pump and everything takes up very little room in my pack.
This video sold me! I'm looking forward to receiving my Ether Light XL Large version next week. Can't wait.
Excellent!
Awesome review! Will have to check out the Ether Light XT! Thanks for sharing!
Nice, good to see a review that includes a pad other than the tensor, it's mostly sold out everywhere so options are a must!
I have both these pads and definitely prefer the Sea to Summit. However I'm not a fan of the pump sack. Its OK however the Exped pump sack can also be used without blowing at all. I agree the nemo pump sack is better than the sea to summit, but it still requires a small blow to open it. I found I still therefore gets a little moisture in there. The large mouthed, full width air sacks can be used as dry bags and with the right technique can fill the matt very quickly with zero blowing.
Great video! The tensor and xlite get a lot of love online elsewhere so it’s nice to see this review on the ether light.
I recently found out that if the S2S pump sack is turned inside out, the smaller inner nozzle will fit and inflate the S2S pillows. Slightly embarrassed that I did not know that. LOL.
I didn't know that about the pump sack. That's cool!
@@BackcountryExposure The instructions are printed on the pump/stuff sack for my S2S ultralight insulated pad. All this time and I never read it. Haha.
Greeting from Hong Kong, great video and thanks for your sharing,
STS ether light xt insulated is better... with more durable material, thicker, pillow lock is useful... i have both...
The STS pad is the one that I've kept my eye on and have planned to get! Thinking about getting the women's version. And now I've realized I've been thinking about this for almost 2 years now. hahaha
DO IT!!! ha ha
Hello. 😊 did you solve your camp/water crossing shoe issue from last year? I lost track with all that was going on.
Always great vids! For whatever it's worth, I have the new tensor and the old one (which had synthetic fill inside) and the old one molded pretty bad when I used my breath to blow it up. Not sure if that will happen on the sea to summit, but just thought I'd share. I use pump sacks now and the weight is totally worth it. Cheers!
Still using an Xlite, the older versions are noisy for sure but never had an issue with mine which was made just before the valve upgrade. I find it very comfortable but my only comparison is the original venture and the second generation ventures that I got for my sons. Only negatives I can add about it are that the aluminized mylar breaks down easily and you can see where the metallic coating has worn away when you shin a light on it. And I just had to ship it off today as it developed a bubble on on of the baffles :-( so I'll be back to my trusty venture util they get back to me. Part of me wants to try a 25" pad even though I have zero issues staying on a 20" pad as a side sleeper.
Durability too…think the StS has the Nemo beat. Had a very hard to find pinhole in my tensor and I baby my gear. Am worried that will become an issue based on all the reviews I have read. Think I will have more confidence in my StS ether pad. Also wondering how a zenbivy sleep system would improve the ether. Going to maybe invest in that one next season.
I watch all your videos, this is another excellent in depth review.
Thank you!
Using the Nemo Tensor long/wide for motorcycle and backpacking/bikepacking trips, and it's the only pad I've ever owned that doesn't wake me up at night with crinkling etc. I don't find myself backpacking in sub 20 degree temps, so not sure if the added R-value of the Ether Light would be worth it.
If you could have one for use for car camping and backpacking. Tensor V2? Ether light XT Insulated? or Quasar 3D? I can't decide.
I’m a small person but I just can’t sleep on a 20” pad, that little extra width on sea to summit pads makes a surprisingly big difference. Plus I ditched the stuff sack and I use an Exped schnozzel inflator (also multi use as dry bag)
I am using a TaR Uberlite and a S2S Etherlight XT - both in the large mummy version...the Etherlight is WAY more comfortable in my opinion. I only use the Uberlite when I need the smallest volume (not weight) possible - which is in a Bikepacking setup. Otherwise I'd always go for the S2S.
Bought ether light xt xtreme, I'm super happy
what pump where you using on the sea to summit?
I will be moving to the Tensor Alpine after having a NIGHTMARE with the Etherlight XT Insulated.
It seems that the S2S works well for weekend warriors, but for someone who is on a long term trip like myself: it is completely unreliable.
For context, I am on a long term bike-touring trip and generally camp every night if possible. I have been on the road for about 6 months.
After around 20-30 nights of sleeping on the mat, the "air springs" begin to fail; one at a time. You'll wake up on the floor one morning, patch the leak, and then the next morning there is another leak. This "domino effect" will continue until the pad has up to 30 patches on it.
This is a known issue with the mat that S2S seem unwilling to acknowledge. I have spoken to numerous other people with the issue, including one guy who is his 4th replacement (also full of leaks), and although S2S are willing to replace the mat every time it fails, this doesn't make up for the nights spent sleeping on the ground until they send the replacement.
AGAIN: This is not an isolated incident. It is a common occurrence with people using the Etherlight XT Insulated long term.
In the end I managed to get a full refund from the store that I purchased the mat from and will be taking my money to Nemo instead - which is a shame, because I am generally a fan of S2S products and have always supported them as a company.
Thanks for the info. Has anyone else had this same problem?
@@dammitau Yes, there was the guy I mentioned in my post who is on his 4th replacement. I have since talked to a couple of other people - one of which is going through the warranty process and the other has just started experiencing the issue.
@@VeloObscura Do you have experience with the Nemo by now? I am about to decide between the two pads and my main reason for going with the STS would be the statements I heard about the Nemo being more vulnerable.
@@stefanwagener - Sorry, no experience with the Nemo at this point. 😔
These are the pads I'm looking at. Idk what to get? Both! Why is it so hard to decide? A couple ounces here, a few dollars there, less or more noise.
Nice video! I use EtherLight XT Insulated in combination with a simple "close cell foam" sleeping pad. Work very well for me.
Right on! I rarely ever layer pads, but a nice way to increase r-value.
@@BackcountryExposure gossamer gear 1/8 thinlite foampad is super good . Increases R value by 1 , weights almost nothings , prevents the Pad from slipping on the tentfloor and prevents punctures also . Use this and the Uberlite NeoAir in combo . R around 3 and weights not even a pound for both
Are people having leaks issues by the bonds on these Nemos.
The timing of this video was spot on! I've literally been doing research the last couple days trying to decide which pad to buy. I'm curious though to what degree the STS pad is more comfortable than the Nemo pad? Like if the STS is a 9 out of 10 for comfort, would the Nemo be super close behind at an 8? Or more like a 6 or 7? Just curious where they both fall on the comfort scale?
Nice! Ah good question. For me, the comfort is more so in the support and the over plushness (is that a word?) of the pad. So if you really want to put numbers to it, the Ether is probably an 8, and the Nemo a low 7. I'd put an Xlite or Uberlite at a 5. Hard to put numbers like that to a pd though, since everyone sleeps so differently.
Can you just flip the ether light around to avoid the Velcro?
I am looking for the most quiet, most comfortable sleeping pad to sleep in my Prius.
Any recommendations?
Ty!!!
Yep that makes you and (I can see Justin's comment) Justin Outdoors now big fans of the S2S Ether Light XT! I ultimately went with the Nemo Tensor b/c of the value and black friday deal I got, also b/c S2S is almost always out of stock. They lost my business that day but I'm def going to take a look at their non-insulated version now for the warmer nights. I love the Tensor but hearing how much more comfortable the S2S version is...I gotta check it out! Thanks for the review!
Ironically I was wanting a STS Ether Extreme and it's out of stock on Backcountry as we speak. Going to the tensor now.
Great video. Thanks for the excellent comparison. Looking at one to buy.
Would lie to know your stove tent setup in video. You take all that hiking ??
Or just out of your truck ??
Of topic but what kind of tent was that that you were running a stove in?
Sea to summit etherlite xt Rectangular reg wide is a dream! Its awesome! Was soo tired of slow inflation, so tired of 20" inch wide pads where you can roll off or your arms fall off the sides. Pads that were only 1"-2" inches thick! 4" inches with the etherlite! 25" inch wide in reg wide and long versions. Warm too with the slight insulation. Can buy the etherlite xt extreme if you need more warmth R-value. The integrated pump sack is the best ive ever used! Night and day compared to the trekology UL 80 i was using. Although that is a great budget pad! Cost is the only down fall with the etherlite but its worth every penny! Hike on!
Have you used the sea to summit comfort plus?
What pump are you using towards the beginning of the video? Looks very convenient.
Ether Light XT in R seize is actually lighter with 17oz
For those with the Nemo tensor , what’s the lowest you’ve slept in temp wise? I’m looking at buying one . I’ve got a 20 degree quilt , won’t be going much below 20 degrees
I got the women's large Ether Lite for the extra R-value. It's comfy but squeaky af! Wanted the Nemo Tensor but couldn't be found in Europe when I was looking.
Talking only about the EtherLight XT "insulated" (but that would even more applies to the non insulated) : although they claim 3.2 r-value many people reported that it feels colder than it should... and 3.2 isn't a lot to begin with.. If you rarely camp a 30°F/0°C I bet this ain't a big issue.
Another cons is the 10cm/4inch height, you could start touching the wall depending depending your shelter style.
That's a good point about the pad height and many non freestanding tents have steep walls and are single wall. So condensation on your bag is more common.
Very nice review. 👌. Will probably go with the Nemo. Ty
"Pumpsack" is a word that just cracks me up, every friggin time
What gadget did you use to fill it up with air?
The pillow lock system is awesome.
Tapered pads seem to fit better in most tents I have found.
May have to give it a try. I like the lager rectangle pads for ground sleeping
I agree. The 25" wide pads are the way to go.
went with the ether light & loving it ever since
I am going between the Sea to Summit vs the Nemo Quasar. What are your thoughts on the 2 of them? Thanks.
Hey bro what are those shoes? The gray with black laces... what ARE THOOOSE???
Probably the Danner Trail 2650
Gee thanks, Devin, my Tensor just arrived today-now I guess I'm already planning my next pad haha
Hahahaha should have pick Uberlite 🤣
Between your and Justin's review along with a good endorsement from Philip of Sectionhiker, I chose the S2S. Thank you.
Do it!
I have the women's Ether Light XT, but can't figure out if I'm actually sleeping better or not vs my EXPED. I feel like I sleep well on both so not sure if I should return the S2S since it was expensive. Is it just field testing over a certain period of time? Or would I notice right away the sleep is better?
For me I noticed the first night on it. I have spent so many nights on the Tensor that I know exactly how it feels and what kind of sleep I am going to get. The first couple nights on the Ether I was sleeping longer and just feel overall more comfortable on the pad.
@@BackcountryExposure Great thanks!!
I have the Cheapo Stay Awake Pad. Works great!
Nemo's baffling is superior, and it's super comfy. IF they'd just make it out of anything more durable than 20D I'd get another one. You so much as look at those cross-eyed and they'll spring a leak.
Does the velcro come applied or is that something we can choose not to put on?
Thanks
The Velcro comes with the pad but isn’t applied unless you put it on.
@@BackcountryExposure Thanks. Appreciate your reply. Love your channel…
k it's memorial day sale again and Nemo is 40% off. but having a 12oz thermarest I really find myself looking for a more comfortable pad. Plus all my other stuff are UL already, I got the s2s women's insulated short. All the reviews I've seen so far pointing to s2s being more comfortable. Plus, in REI I am really not that impressed with the comfort level of Tensor. It doesn't feel that different to my very squeaky thermarest.
Is there a non insulated STS version? I need something cool for summer. Yes the ExPed sack is a bit of a pain. Shnozzle.
Yes they have a non insulated one as well.
Greeting from Hong Kong, thanks for your review. Btw, Ether Light is my favourite, I don't mean Tensor is not good
My buddy just picked up the Ether Light XT Extreme. He loves it.
Yeah I'd like to have the Extreme for winter!
Could you flip the sleeping pad over so you don’t get stuff stick on the Velcro?
I wouldn't because it could tear up the floor of your tent (unless you had like a 1/8" foam pad underneath your inflatable pad). It looks like your options are either 1. Don't install the Velcro strips or 2. Cut some extra Velcro strips to cover the ones on the pad when not in use with a pillow.
@@EpwnaExeter thank you for the tips!!!!
@@brianphillips3541 you're welcome. The third option I just thought of was keep the pillow attached but deflated when not sleeping.
the velcro doesn't actually come stuck onto it. you stick it on yourself. I'm not sure why everyone makes such a big deal about the velcro. All you have to do is NOT stick it on, problem solved.
Thanks for the vid. I think you need to cover inflation devices/choices some time. The Flextail is nice.
I did a video on the Flextail recently. :)
You are correct about the air gap. That is just physics. No need to guess.
Whats the weight of each pad when fully inflated?
Each pad comes in several sizes, so best to jump on their websites to compare.
I really enjoy my Ether lite ! Very comfortable !
Nice!
I got the Ether light XT extreme, and it shows an R value of 6.2. Is this correct or have I a different pad?
Also I've only used it once so far and indeed found it very rubbery and loud in my tent (Nemo dragonfly).. However, if you put a blanket underneath it that helps a lot. Still undecided about it, it's super comfortable but loud and bulky.
Yes, the Extreme is the newest model and has the higher R-Value. That is different from the one in this video, which is the insulated version.
Great comparison! I don't like monopolies so it's good to see a competitor move in!!
Yeah man! Great to have options.
Thanks for the video!!!
Devin, what’s the name of the piece of gear you were inflating the pads with?
It’s the flex tail micro pump. Go back in my videos a few videos back and you can see a video on it.
Thanks Devin.
what pump did you use for that??
This - ruclips.net/video/_miW-e8hu8w/видео.html
I've had two factory defects of Nemo Tensor in a row. Their quality control has really slipped
We just got a set of the Ethers and have yet to test them in the field, but they are so much more everything than our old Thermarest pads. I will try and remember to post our thoughts after our trip next weekend.
Right on!
Oh, man, that S2S Ether Light XT is so Gucci. I mean, that entire price-range of pads is Gucci, obviously (I certainly wouldn't kick the Tensor out of bed on a cold night, literally), but that plush-looking beauty is the first one to _really_ turn my head & give me a serious case of wallet envy.
Meanwhile, I'm over here, hitherto perfectly satisfied with my Zoobelives pad & Trekology pillow, suddenly finding myself out on my proverbial balcony singing Somewhere Out There to a grey slip of tufted fabric.
That is a very, _very_ nice pad, sir. Hot damn.
Still rocking my Uberlite because weight savings > everything 😅
I have it, just wish I could get a good nights sleep on it.
I've been looking at the STS pads but I'm torn between comfort and weight. There are so many options out there right now.
Yeah, a lot of solid options. I've also been using the new BA Q-Core SLX in a reg/wide and that is also up there in comfort. I'd probably put it on par with the Tensor or maybe between these two.
@@BackcountryExposure really!! BA? Didn't even consider them with some reviews I've seen. But maybe some more looking is required, thanks bud.
Thoughts about the ThermaRest NeoAir® XTherm™ PAD?
I've got one, and its a great pad in terms of weight vs r-value. Prob best on market. All the reviews that talks about how loud it is, i personally don't mind it so much. If you're sleeping outdoors, you're gonna be hearing tons of other sounds, so its not too noticeable imo. Overall, id say the xtherm is worth the money if you camp in pretty cold conditions.
Here's some of my thoughts. ruclips.net/video/BpOJByKln-8/видео.html
@@BackcountryExposure Don't know how I missed it. Thanks.
That Sea To Summit is looking good!
Please make a video on sleeping pads for 2 persons
Is this eagle mnt by chance? Love the content. Thanks
West of Utah lake, yes.
Good review. You dismiss most the world by not either saying or adding on the screen or in the video description the metric weights or measures.
With so many variables in weights for the various sizes of the two pads I hardly made any mention of weight in this video. That is why nothing was put in the video. Most of the time I try to add both imperial and metric into my videos.
now that the tensor has a 4.2r rating it's a closer call.
The tensor is the slickest pad i have owned, I just can't stay on it.
a torso length of this www.gossamergear.com/products/thinlight-foam-pad?variant=30497164620 will stop you slipping around. I can sleep quite steep slopes with this. plus a bit of protection from sharp things and it will add to the R value a little and be useful as sitpad during the day. Well worth the 50 grams.