A rare gem in these times. Everyone seems to think the latter was hand in glove with the Church (I only wish he was.) and that the former was some deracinated atheist. Forget that he died a Catholic (Secular in his politics though.) or anything and that the policies Éamon de Valera advocated were accepted by the electorate because democracy or something.
@@gradualdecay1040 joke. but there was plenty of censorship in Ireland after independence. books were banned, newspapers made Irish editions because antyhing remotley sexual was banned
A man that was prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice for his country. Regrettably he had no concept of leadership nor vision. Couldn't see past his front gate in Bruree litterally and figuratively. Architect of the greatest mess in the history of Ireland. Was disciple of John Charles McQuaid and allowed the catholic church to meddle in the business of the nation to a level of destruction that was consistent with his rural and narrow view of the potential of the people whom he represented. I truly hope that he will be part of the 2016 centenary celebration, a small part. I fear that his clan will be paraded out once again with a line up of nuns and priests to celebrate his great contribution to Ireland. Michael Collins is Ireland's hero of that there is no doubt. DeValera will continue to be Ireland's hated hero for many years to come.
Yes indeed, I have watched footage on youtube, heard interviews, and listened to the many arguments over the last few days. I have studied my Irish history again and I can only stand and say that the Civil War should never have happened because Michael Collins got the best deal from the British Government, and if we had all stood together then, with Collins and accepted the Treaty who knows where we would be today. Now I will continue and study Eamon De Valera, the man and his policies. I want to find out where all the monies and Irish wealth went. I was born in 1958 and left in 1981, and am still away. I grew up for the most part under De Valera in Cork City and I saw him then, as old fashioned and out of touch. I'm curious....................
Collins was a hero. DeValera was a traitor to the Irish plight. Religion has no place in any of this, it was all politics and who had or took the power. DeValera was always a slimey coward.
"On a speaking tour of the more republican province of Munster, starting on 17 March 1922, de Valera made controversial speeches at Carrick on Suir, Lismore, Dungarvan and Waterford, saying that: "If the Treaty were accepted, [by the electorate] the fight for freedom would still go on, and the Irish people, instead of fighting foreign soldiers, will have to fight the Irish soldiers of an Irish government set up by Irishmen." At Thurles, several days later, he repeated this imagery and added that the IRA: "..would have to wade through the blood of the soldiers of the Irish Government, and perhaps through that of some members of the Irish Government to get their freedom." In a letter to the Irish Independent on 23 March de Valera accepted the accuracy of their report of his comment about "wading" through blood, but deplored that the newspaper had published it" J.J. O'Kelly (Sceilg) A Trinity of Martyrs, Irish Book Bureau, Dublin; pp. 66-68.
bherarionna1 And you forgot to mention the electorate was threatened with "immediate & terrible war". Which basically left them with no choice but to vote for the treaty they got rid of as soon as possible & the freedom of the whole country was left to later generations of IRA freedom fighters.
+wks107tdv123 The IRA are fucking scum and if you do not know that you must be totally stupid. "I will put a knife in you personally for those horses they killed in Hyde Park if you do not shut up", he said.
+wks107tdv123 Lloyd George supported Home Rule for the whole country. At the negotiation - he pointed out that the brutal war that was now on a truce , would restart if they couldn't come to a treaty. It's hardly leaving them with no choice!. It's stating the bloody obvious - which everyone would have known! Each side had a choice of course - to not concede any ground, and continue the loss of life, or to compromise and end the War. The treaty held it's status until 1932 - when the UK passed an act called the Statute of Westminster, which said that laws passed in the UK could no longer extend to the Dominions. After the British granted that, the Irish parliament created a new constitution, effectively creating the Republic Of Ireland. The later generations of IRA "freedom fighters"( as you mistakenly call them as they do not have the backing of the Irish people), do continue their fight for their version of Irish freedom.
+True Irish History ..interesting comment on David Loyd George supporting Home Rule for all of Ireland .. how do you know that? I would be interested in researching that .. thanks.
+Brendan Ryan He supported Home Rule for all of Ireland. that didn't mean full independence.. but the Uster Unionists made it too difficult and partition was the solution
Directly involved ? not likely. He was in the area - that's a certainty. A rather conspicuous coincidence for sure. Apparently his influence over the West Cork IRA was marginal. Best information I have read on this is he knew the local IRA around Bandon were planning to ambush Collin's convoy somewhere between Macroom and Bandon - we of course now know that was the infamous Beal na Blath area. De Valera pleaded with the IRA commander - can't recall the name but Liam Lynch comes to mind - to call off the ambush. They didn't listen to him. What is interesting to me is De Valera is in direct contact with Collin's assailants prior to the ambush. In what capacity and what was the intent? I'm afraid that part is obscure. But for sure he was in the area and talking to the people that assassinated Collins on the day of - or possibly the day before the killing. Actually, the segment of the Neil Jordan movie 'Michael Collins' covers that with a fair degree of historical accuracy from what is known about the whole incident and DeValera's role in it. A bit of anecdotal information here would be DeValera would be seen by the local IRA as an outsider - well know of course but an outsider. The notion that he could go into West Cork IRA territory and start barking orders or directives was not possible. In conclusion, DeValera was asked many times before his death in 1975 what role he played in the assasination and although he never shied away from the question he never said anything conclusive or definitive which of course left the listeners befuddled and confused. That was a skill that he exercised throughout his long life and one that left the Irish of all parties and persuasions scratching their heads. Now let's look at 'Inderectly involved' - most certainly. His refusal to accept the will of the people in the election that was held after Griffith and Collins signed the Anglo- Irish Treaty. An election that was fought on the Treaty an election that returned more pro-Treaty Sinn Fein candidates that those opposed. Had DeValera not walked out of that debate with his delegates in the Dail and accepted that Treaty for what it was - a stepping stone, there would have been a much less volatile anti- Treaty reaction and possibly a considerably less military reaction as in the Irregulars and the ensuing Civil War. It is also very telling that again throughout his long life in Irish politics and his leadership of the Fianna Fail party which he created he gave no credit to Collins and rarely brought up his name. A bit long winded I know .. but there you have it.
@James Henderson I give you a choice James - 1) A form of independence which provides you with home rule and self government within the UK, with the ability to show the world that as an independent country you could do it successfully, and within time full independence is achieved. Or 2) - Full out and out war, with the might of the British army coming into Ireland to crush you to death, thus eliminating any possibility of home rule. Which would you chose if you only had a couple of hours to decide?
@James Henderson The UK could easily have crushed Ireland with limited force, just look at the 1916 rising. Very easy to think you are invincible when you are sitting in front of your computer reading history, but when you actually read the files of the time, and conduct some research, you would see it was not as simple as that James.
No I doubt it. Dev went from one of the most loved figures in Ireland to being vilified with half facts and conspiracy and no understanding of the cultural and political climate in Ireland at the time. Hindsight is a get gift.
The weakest accusation people throw at Éamon de Valera is that he advocated very stringent moral proscriptions or something like no divorce, contraception and abortion. What people seem to forget is that he was democratically elected and the people voted for these things (Indeed when they changed their minds for some God-forsaken reason, guess what happened.). The Church, which did a lot of good for the Irish people in maintaining a welfare system while the state was in it's embryonic stages, had rather limited involvement in politics as such. It is really absurd the way people write about the guy.
You were brainwashed at the kitchen table .Dont worry there were thousands like you believing the same lies. I think thats why they invented confession so they wouldnt feel as guilty telling all the lies.
These men died for Ireland's freedom, only now for Ireland to be governed by its new colonial master since 1973, ie. Brussels. And the RTE D4 set won't talk about it.
Do stop talking utter rubbish! The EU has NO colonies. Nor does it have masters. Ireland has a seat at the top table, with a voice, vote, and limited veto, just LIKE EVERY OTHER EU member state. The Irish people support our EU membership by an overwhelming majority. Currently, approval is running around 91%. If we were not an EU member, economics and geography dictate that we would be doing a re-run of our unhappy role of 'John Bull's Other Island'. That toxic relationship lasted some 800 years, during which our interests were NEVER prioritised. There will be NO return to the cold, clammy and loveless embrace of Britannia. "And the RTE D4 set won't talk about it"? Were you born this idiotic, or did you have to work on it?
@@gloin10 You're kidding yourself. The EU is run on an old german foreign policy model called limited sovereignty. It's not about independence. It's about transferring power to Brussels. Ireland's new colonial master. Between 1948 and 1973, Ireland was completely sovereign.
@@susannamarker2582 It's true that those were years of Irish self sufficiency, and the percentage of the budget that went on public spending showed that they cared about society as much as economy, but the State was poor and was also overly reliant on the Catholic Church to provide certain social services. It became a theocracy of sorts. Maybe full self sufficiency like what Switzerland or Norway has just isn't possible for us, maybe we will always be a satellite, of Britain, or the Church, or the Brussels based bureaucracy, or the United States, or a mixture of all the above. I believe that being a part of Europe is better than being alone, we simply need to work with other European citizens to campaign for reform in order to democratise the running of the EU. Look at the Diem25 movement for example, that's a potential way forward. Better to be an equal partner of a reformed Europe than an Anglo-American satellite State.
The European Union was a miracle. People in Poland saw the need for European powers to be united and work together instead of being small insignificant nations. (My husband is from Poland, as was my own grandmother. I'm American. Feel free to tell me to shut up and that I don't know what I'm talking about.)
@@hilarylawrence4588It was an economic union and Poland did not help create it. A supranational state is problematic with many peoples and there is the problem of sovereignty.
@@williammorris584 He actually was very close to Mícheál Seán Ó Coileáin before the Irish Civil War (1922-1923). He was very close to plenty of people but most of them were much younger or died before him. As for the Church business, he was a Catholic (As was over 90% of the country.) but he routinely trekked a middle path.
21:00 The Indian proverb as President Bush once recalled: Fool me once ah um ah um shame um ah ..... on you. Fool me ah um ..........you can't get fooled again. Before that he said" There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee"
He was far too right wing and pro catholic for my liking. I would have preferred Michael Collins as Taoiseach than Dev. We all know what happened to Collins.
As my mother used to say : the wrong man got the bullet. Collins would have been better for Ireland economically. By 1950, Ireland was going nowhere, and was breeding its children for export.
This documentary is from 1982, only 7 years after Edward's death, so, it is still very overly approving of this American who destroyed Ireland from 1916 until 1975. There is no birth certificate for him or the alleged father. He came from USA and took over a weak country, Ireland. Fullstop.
It was in the interest of not only the British ruling class, America and Catholic church to keep Ireland poor for cheap labour for all not to mention the trafficking of children. De Valera interned in concentration camps, the people who wanted free Ireland in the 1940's - what was that about? Why did they let Ireland stay neutral in WW2? So that they had someone to rebuild Britain when a load of Brits had died. We are all canon fodder
@markharrison You arch-conservatives, regardless of national origin, all want to do double duty as anti-Semites too, it's obvious. It smacks of Americanism, but I know better than to assume you and I share a country of origin and domicile.
That would be Emmet Dalton, Tim Healy would be another contender, plus some that served in the Provisional Free State Cabinet and later in the first Free State Cabinet.
I have respect for both Michael Collins and Eamon DeValera.
A rare gem in these times. Everyone seems to think the latter was hand in glove with the Church (I only wish he was.) and that the former was some deracinated atheist. Forget that he died a Catholic (Secular in his politics though.) or anything and that the policies Éamon de Valera advocated were accepted by the electorate because democracy or something.
@@johnnotrealname8168 Whaaaaaaat ?
@@dingleberryridesagain3606 Yeah it is surprising.
Thanks for the upload
Thank you for finding this brilliant series. In England, so much was banned by the government. Locked from view.
Have you ever heard about censorship in Ireland? Book banning, film banning etc?
Example pls?
@@gradualdecay1040 seriously? Have you seen Father Ted about the fillum banning!
@@glen7318 father Ted is your example? Lol.
@@gradualdecay1040 joke. but there was plenty of censorship in Ireland after independence. books were banned, newspapers made Irish editions because antyhing remotley sexual was banned
Thank you for posting this. 2024 is coming!
Good job
Often asked why no road in Ireland was called De Valera road,,, best answer i heard was they could not find one crooked enough !!
Sadly I heard that too
@@dingleberryridesagain3606 The most to do with corruption was his continued ownership of The Irish Press but he was not corrupt.
A man that was prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice for his country. Regrettably he had no concept of leadership nor vision. Couldn't see past his front gate in Bruree litterally and figuratively. Architect of the greatest mess in the history of Ireland. Was disciple of John Charles McQuaid and allowed the catholic church to meddle in the business of the nation to a level of destruction that was consistent with his rural and narrow view of the potential of the people whom he represented. I truly hope that he will be part of the 2016 centenary celebration, a small part. I fear that his clan will be paraded out once again with a line up of nuns and priests to celebrate his great contribution to Ireland. Michael Collins is Ireland's hero of that there is no doubt. DeValera will continue to be Ireland's hated hero for many years to come.
Yes indeed, I have watched footage on youtube, heard interviews, and listened to the many arguments over the last few days. I have studied my Irish history again and I can only stand and say that the Civil War should never have happened because Michael Collins got the best deal from the British Government, and if we had all stood together then, with Collins and accepted the Treaty who knows where we would be today.
Now I will continue and study Eamon De Valera, the man and his policies. I want to find out where all the monies and Irish wealth went. I was born in 1958 and left in 1981, and am still away. I grew up for the most part under De Valera in Cork City and I saw him then, as old fashioned and out of touch. I'm curious....................
Collins was a hero. DeValera was a traitor to the Irish plight. Religion has no place in any of this, it was all politics and who had or took the power. DeValera was always a slimey coward.
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@@JCSilva61 Collins was a traitor. He took an oath to defend the Irish Republic then waged war against it armed by the British
for all time
"On a speaking tour of the more republican province of Munster, starting on 17 March 1922, de Valera made controversial speeches at Carrick on Suir, Lismore, Dungarvan and Waterford, saying that: "If the Treaty were accepted, [by the electorate] the fight for freedom would still go on, and the Irish people, instead of fighting foreign soldiers, will have to fight the Irish soldiers of an Irish government set up by Irishmen." At Thurles, several days later, he repeated this imagery and added that the IRA: "..would have to wade through the blood of the soldiers of the Irish Government, and perhaps through that of some members of the Irish Government to get their freedom." In a letter to the Irish Independent on 23 March de Valera accepted the accuracy of their report of his comment about "wading" through blood, but deplored that the newspaper had published it" J.J. O'Kelly (Sceilg) A Trinity of Martyrs, Irish Book Bureau, Dublin; pp. 66-68.
bherarionna1 And you forgot to mention the electorate was threatened with "immediate & terrible war". Which basically left them with no choice but to vote for the treaty they got rid of as soon as possible & the freedom of the whole country was left to later generations of IRA freedom fighters.
+wks107tdv123 The IRA are fucking scum and if you do not know that you must be totally stupid. "I will put a knife in you personally for those horses they killed in Hyde Park if you do not shut up", he said.
+wks107tdv123
Lloyd George supported Home Rule for the whole country.
At the negotiation - he pointed out that the brutal war that was now on a truce , would restart if they couldn't come to a treaty.
It's hardly leaving them with no choice!.
It's stating the bloody obvious - which everyone would have known!
Each side had a choice of course - to not concede any ground, and continue the loss of life, or to compromise and end the War.
The treaty held it's status until 1932 - when the UK passed an act called the Statute of Westminster, which said that laws passed in the UK could no longer extend to the Dominions.
After the British granted that, the Irish parliament created a new constitution, effectively creating the Republic Of Ireland.
The later generations of IRA "freedom fighters"( as you mistakenly call them as they do not have the backing of the Irish people), do continue their fight for their version of Irish freedom.
+True Irish History ..interesting comment on David Loyd George supporting Home Rule for all of Ireland .. how do you know that? I would be interested in researching that .. thanks.
+Brendan Ryan He supported Home Rule for all of Ireland. that didn't mean full independence.. but the Uster Unionists made it too difficult and partition was the solution
De Valera was man of his time but not of the future.
Yes I would agree
@@AnnetteMurphyger Hardly, his Constitution was very democratic.
Smashing
where is the last piece of this vid?
Banned?
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Further Education?
Who is George De Valera?
Watch from the start LOL
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Eamon
@@AnnetteMurphyger George de Valero.
DE VALERA IS A SPANISH NAME.
Si
@@AnnetteMurphyger I believe his father was a Cuban Spaniard.
I don't care what people say but Dev and his kind of that era were TUFF
TUFF
@@liamanderson1960 What does that mean?
This should be interesting. Already seems biased towards him.
Does anyone think Dev was involved in the death of Michael Collins in 1922?
Directly involved ? not likely. He was in the area - that's a certainty. A rather conspicuous coincidence for sure. Apparently his influence over the West Cork IRA was marginal. Best information I have read on this is he knew the local IRA around Bandon were planning to ambush Collin's convoy somewhere between Macroom and Bandon - we of course now know that was the infamous Beal na Blath area. De Valera pleaded with the IRA commander - can't recall the name but Liam Lynch comes to mind - to call off the ambush. They didn't listen to him. What is interesting to me is De Valera is in direct contact with Collin's assailants prior to the ambush. In what capacity and what was the intent? I'm afraid that part is obscure. But for sure he was in the area and talking to the people that assassinated Collins on the day of - or possibly the day before the killing. Actually, the segment of the Neil Jordan movie 'Michael Collins' covers that with a fair degree of historical accuracy from what is known about the whole incident and DeValera's role in it. A bit of anecdotal information here would be DeValera would be seen by the local IRA as an outsider - well know of course but an outsider. The notion that he could go into West Cork IRA territory and start barking orders or directives was not possible. In conclusion, DeValera was asked many times before his death in 1975 what role he played in the assasination and although he never shied away from the question he never said anything conclusive or definitive which of course left the listeners befuddled and confused. That was a skill that he exercised throughout his long life and one that left the Irish of all parties and persuasions scratching their heads. Now let's look at 'Inderectly involved' - most certainly. His refusal to accept the will of the people in the election that was held after Griffith and Collins signed the Anglo- Irish Treaty. An election that was fought on the Treaty an election that returned more pro-Treaty Sinn Fein candidates that those opposed. Had DeValera not walked out of that debate with his delegates in the Dail and accepted that Treaty for what it was - a stepping stone, there would have been a much less volatile anti- Treaty reaction and possibly a considerably less military reaction as in the Irregulars and the ensuing Civil War. It is also very telling that again throughout his long life in Irish politics and his leadership of the Fianna Fail party which he created he gave no credit to Collins and rarely brought up his name. A bit long winded I know .. but there you have it.
@James Henderson I give you a choice James - 1) A form of independence which provides you with home rule and self government within the UK, with the ability to show the world that as an independent country you could do it successfully, and within time full independence is achieved. Or 2) - Full out and out war, with the might of the British army coming into Ireland to crush you to death, thus eliminating any possibility of home rule. Which would you chose if you only had a couple of hours to decide?
@James Henderson The UK could easily have crushed Ireland with limited force, just look at the 1916 rising. Very easy to think you are invincible when you are sitting in front of your computer reading history, but when you actually read the files of the time, and conduct some research, you would see it was not as simple as that James.
No I doubt it. Dev went from one of the most loved figures in Ireland to being vilified with half facts and conspiracy and no understanding of the cultural and political climate in Ireland at the time.
Hindsight is a get gift.
@@icemanire5467 couldn’t agree more, if all those things were true, how did he many to get elected Taoiseach three times?
Sort of an anti Michael Collins take on those days
All the better. Even the man himself said his reputation in history would pale next to that of Collins.
@@stephenwright8824Actually that was likely never sayed.
The comments here are incredibly diverse, surprising and fascinating.
3 quarters of them are just personal attacks against him.
The weakest accusation people throw at Éamon de Valera is that he advocated very stringent moral proscriptions or something like no divorce, contraception and abortion. What people seem to forget is that he was democratically elected and the people voted for these things (Indeed when they changed their minds for some God-forsaken reason, guess what happened.). The Church, which did a lot of good for the Irish people in maintaining a welfare system while the state was in it's embryonic stages, had rather limited involvement in politics as such. It is really absurd the way people write about the guy.
The RCC also treated women, who got pregnant out of wedlock like sub human common criminals.
They also raped and abused innocent children.
This man stayed in the home place once.
Achieved a lot for Ireland and its full independence from the British but allowed himself to be a slavish political puppet for the catholic church.
@@Lar308 This is not true.
His father was allegedly Cuban and not a 'Spanish immigrant'. This is the story they concocted much later
He Was better than any Irish Man .A great man R/I/P 'And some one said he looked very Jewish .what the hell is wrong with that Jews are Great people
His father was a Portuguese Jew.
He was a nazi collaborator.
@@gradualdecay1040 no he wasnt.
@@glen7318 yeah he was.
You were brainwashed at the kitchen table .Dont worry there were thousands like you believing the same lies. I think thats why they invented confession so they wouldnt feel as guilty telling all the lies.
These men died for Ireland's freedom, only now for Ireland to be governed by its new colonial master since 1973, ie. Brussels. And the RTE D4 set won't talk about it.
Do stop talking utter rubbish!
The EU has NO colonies. Nor does it have masters.
Ireland has a seat at the top table, with a voice, vote, and limited veto, just LIKE EVERY OTHER EU member state.
The Irish people support our EU membership by an overwhelming majority. Currently, approval is running around 91%.
If we were not an EU member, economics and geography dictate that we would be doing a re-run of our unhappy role of 'John Bull's Other Island'.
That toxic relationship lasted some 800 years, during which our interests were NEVER prioritised.
There will be NO return to the cold, clammy and loveless embrace of Britannia.
"And the RTE D4 set won't talk about it"?
Were you born this idiotic, or did you have to work on it?
@@gloin10 You're kidding yourself. The EU is run on an old german foreign policy model called limited sovereignty. It's not about independence.
It's about transferring power to Brussels. Ireland's new colonial master. Between 1948 and 1973, Ireland was completely sovereign.
@@susannamarker2582 It's true that those were years of Irish self sufficiency, and the percentage of the budget that went on public spending showed that they cared about society as much as economy, but the State was poor and was also overly reliant on the Catholic Church to provide certain social services. It became a theocracy of sorts.
Maybe full self sufficiency like what Switzerland or Norway has just isn't possible for us, maybe we will always be a satellite, of Britain, or the Church, or the Brussels based bureaucracy, or the United States, or a mixture of all the above.
I believe that being a part of Europe is better than being alone, we simply need to work with other European citizens to campaign for reform in order to democratise the running of the EU. Look at the Diem25 movement for example, that's a potential way forward. Better to be an equal partner of a reformed Europe than an Anglo-American satellite State.
The European Union was a miracle. People in Poland saw the need for European powers to be united and work together instead of being small insignificant nations. (My husband is from Poland, as was my own grandmother. I'm American. Feel free to tell me to shut up and that I don't know what I'm talking about.)
@@hilarylawrence4588It was an economic union and Poland did not help create it. A supranational state is problematic with many peoples and there is the problem of sovereignty.
Michael Collins (The Big Fella) was our true patriotic Hero!!
Dev was the churches hero! McQuaid’s lap boy.
Actually the Bishop did not like him.
@@johnnotrealname8168 Did anyone like him? He had allies, not friends.
@@williammorris584 He actually was very close to Mícheál Seán Ó Coileáin before the Irish Civil War (1922-1923). He was very close to plenty of people but most of them were much younger or died before him. As for the Church business, he was a Catholic (As was over 90% of the country.) but he routinely trekked a middle path.
Sadly yes
@@johnnotrealname8168?
21:00 The Indian proverb as President Bush once recalled:
Fool me once ah um ah um shame um ah ..... on you.
Fool me ah um ..........you can't get fooled again.
Before that he said" There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee"
+True Irish History hilarious!
If the Republicans has won the civil war, what then? I’d like to know if DeValera had a plan if the war of independence was renewed?
Not nearly as bad a man as many would have you believe now
He was far too right wing and pro catholic for my liking. I would have preferred Michael Collins as Taoiseach than Dev. We all know what happened to Collins.
John King Collins was pro catholic as well
@@johnking5174 so was the vast majority of the country at the time. Ridiculous comment.
Not bad, but the wrong man for Ireland economically. Collins would have been better. Collins was more pragmatic.
As my mother used to say : the wrong man got the bullet. Collins would have been better for Ireland economically. By 1950, Ireland was going nowhere, and was breeding its children for export.
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7 children. Did Dev never hear of contraception 😅?
@@AnnetteMurphyger What is that supposed to mean exactly?
HE WAS TEE SHOCK,NOT SURE WHAT MEANS BUT EE WAS ONE,
Prime minister
Its spelled taoiseach
@@ryangreenan7525 Yeah but most people butcher the pronunciation and say 't-shock'.
Originally it meant Chief.
@@stephenwright8824It still means that right?
This documentary is from 1982, only 7 years after Edward's death, so, it is still very overly approving of this American who destroyed Ireland from 1916 until 1975.
There is no birth certificate for him or the alleged father.
He came from USA and took over a weak country, Ireland.
Fullstop.
It was in the interest of not only the British ruling class, America and Catholic church to keep Ireland poor for cheap labour for all not to mention the trafficking of children. De Valera interned in concentration camps, the people who wanted free Ireland in the 1940's - what was that about? Why did they let Ireland stay neutral in WW2? So that they had someone to rebuild Britain when a load of Brits had died.
We are all canon fodder
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Ireland would have fared much better if the name of DeValera had never reached the island - but instead remained in America.
@@DechieftianIt was he who got the treaty ports and a new Constitution and more. That is the one area where most accept he did well.
@freebeerfordworkersThat is not necessarily true however. Furthermore he himself decided against the Church, not everyone is cut out for it.
Half Irish & half Cuban 🇮🇪🇨🇺
I'll take him at his word that his father was Castilian. I don't normally do that because so damn many Hispanics claim it.
incorrect
@@AnnetteMurphyger I am unsure but that seems to be the Consensus. A Spaniard that moved to Cuba.
@@stephenwright8824 Cuba was Spanish until 1898.
His father was allegedly Jewish, although de Valera denied this in 1934.
Interested in the source of this
Michael O'Donnell was that not on Casement
@markharrison
You arch-conservatives, regardless of national origin, all want to do double duty as anti-Semites too, it's obvious.
It smacks of Americanism, but I know better than to assume you and I share a country of origin and domicile.
Britain's greatest spy the original steaknife.
That would be Emmet Dalton, Tim Healy would be another contender, plus some that served in the Provisional Free State Cabinet and later in the first Free State Cabinet.
Lies dev wasent born in New york he was born on a ship so he wasent a USA 🇺🇸 citizen at all
No, Dev was not born on a ship