Here's why the Honda S2000 AP1 is better than the AP2

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @benin8or
    @benin8or Год назад +25

    I adore this car! This was the car that got me into the car world. It's still gorgeous to this day.

  • @RolanTHUNDER
    @RolanTHUNDER Год назад +11

    Great video! I too own an AP1 and absolutely love it. It's a truly timeless design. I supercharged her with a Vortech V2 ;) while it's easy to spot the differences between the exterior body parts like the bumpers and the headlights it's important to remember that those parts are easily interchangeable between both models. Many owners have opted to install either AP1 or 2 bumpers and lights on their AP1 or 2. One thing that's hardly ever changed is the gauge cluster which is a guaranteed way to know for sure and of course, the redline ;) some territories kept the epic F20C engine from 2000 to 2009 so even their AP2's can rev to 9 grand but that doesn't mean all other changes that F22C equipped AP2's got didn't feature in those F20C equipped AP2's (Europe and Australia).

  • @wilbeugre
    @wilbeugre Год назад +7

    Man! You're on a roll with all the cars I fell in love with back in the day 😍😭🤩
    You made my day yet again!

  • @LuxOnFiyah
    @LuxOnFiyah Год назад +44

    So now you are the car design version of Doug Demuro?

    • @Thesketchmonkey
      @Thesketchmonkey  Год назад +33

      Quirks and features become lineflow and graphics?

    • @kovalm3
      @kovalm3 Год назад +8

      Why not? Loving your car reviews from a designers perspective.

    • @kielba5a
      @kielba5a Год назад +7

      I’m all for it. Doug is way too biased and fake laughy these days.

    • @KC_24s
      @KC_24s Год назад

      @@kielba5a agreed.

    • @LuxOnFiyah
      @LuxOnFiyah Год назад +1

      @@kielba5a he really is. lately i've only been watching Throttle House

  • @stevem6853
    @stevem6853 11 месяцев назад +2

    I had an AP1 and now I have an AP2, and it's easier to live with around town but still a ton of fun. If I could have 1 for track days (which I no longer do) and 1 for a daily driver, it'd definitely be an AP1 for the track and an AP2 for the daily.

  • @KyrosTheWolf
    @KyrosTheWolf Год назад +13

    It still looks incredibly modern for a 24 year old car. There are cars from around the same time which look alot more dated than the AP1 S2000

  • @thibor30
    @thibor30 Год назад +2

    I have had my 2000 S2K since launch and I love it. The best line I have heard is that "you need to drive it like you stole". I also have the official launch press kit and stills. The is definitely my weekend car and I won't get rid of it.

  • @dixie8329
    @dixie8329 Год назад +3

    Loving the new format of you out with the cars 👌🫶

  • @Smidge
    @Smidge Год назад +4

    Thank you for doing a full and proper comparison on them both. Been trying to find a video like this for a while as I was looking at the AP2 but the rod tax is more than double here in the UK to the AP1 and insurance seems more too.

  • @Kacpa2
    @Kacpa2 11 месяцев назад +2

    Early AP2 with cable throttle or eudm "AP2"(facelift ap1) until 2005 is the best option. Transmission is better. AP2 can safely reach 8.5k rpm stock with ecu reflash. And with more modiciationa get up to 9k+.

  • @NathanThrower
    @NathanThrower Год назад +1

    Honda did a good job with that color too. It does a great job of highlighting the body lines. Sliverstone Metallic.

  • @TheWoebegoneJackal
    @TheWoebegoneJackal 22 дня назад +1

    I just bought an AP1, the dumb comments about prefering it over the AP2 just because thats what you have doesnt hold merit to me at all. I bought the AP1 specifically because of how raw it feels, and I really enjoy the way it looks more than the AP2. I also own a GR Supra which is honestly the best modern sub $60k sportcar in my book, but as with all modern cars the creature comforts and technology has a way to make you feel isolated which is a big reason I chose the AP1 as its foil.
    There is something I hear get tossed around that sums up how I feel about it perfectly; "the AP2 is the better car, but the AP1 is the better S2K". Haha

  • @Mono-2240
    @Mono-2240 Год назад +9

    I love these types of videos. People over look the design language and line of cars. When I see a car I look at the design and lines. I have a 2012 Chevy Cruze. Sure it is an NPC traffic car but I love the design language of the car. Has sharp smooth lines.

  • @JonHop1
    @JonHop1 Год назад +2

    They are both good, and each suited to different things.. The AP2 is by FAR better for daily driving and cruising. The torque addition is so nice.. But the Ap1 and its RPM and higher VTEC is fun for hard driving on backroads. More of a car to drive on occasion. I have 2 dc5's and an Ap2, and All 3 of them are k24. That's because I just prefer the balance of torque and top end. Its much more enjoyable to drive all around.

  • @creightonsmith5333
    @creightonsmith5333 Год назад +11

    "It just doesn't get much better than this". Couldn't agree more. I've had my AP1 for almost 12 years now and it has never lost it's STOKE!

    • @benjaminreed6652
      @benjaminreed6652 Год назад +3

      Goin on 7 years with my AP1. Stressing out lately because I have to replace or rebuild the tranny but I’m planning on keeping the car forever. Got 267k on it now.

    • @dampbutthole3025
      @dampbutthole3025 Год назад

      11yr ap1 owner here, diff has been blown for about a year i really need to get it goin missing it tons!

    • @benjaminreed6652
      @benjaminreed6652 Год назад

      @@dampbutthole3025 diffs are getting expensive for these cars. I remember 5 years ago when a used diff was like 600 bucks. Now you can’t find them less than 1000

  • @guiuliani2
    @guiuliani2 Год назад +7

    Cool video, but it should be titled "I like ap1 body parts more than ap2 body parts". Hopefully you can do a stock vs stock comparison between both models and give us your feedback

    • @philspaghet
      @philspaghet Год назад

      Yeah, that's literally the only difference between the 2 chassises

    • @Dcdc956
      @Dcdc956 Год назад

      @@philspaghet yeahhhh, no

    • @philspaghet
      @philspaghet Год назад

      @@Dcdc956 I mean visually speaking. underneath the AP2 has slightly different rear suspension geometry, different interior, and the US got the F22 but that's about it. Visually on the outside, it's just bumpers and lights

  • @tommynobaka
    @tommynobaka Год назад +2

    Digital gauges have been around since the late 70's, but I think the S2000 was the first to offer it on all models as standard.
    I could be wrong but I don't think the 280z offered the digital dash on all models. Just certain ones. Same with the Toyota Mark II/Cresta/Cressida/Chaser. American cars had them too but not standard

    • @fortheloveofnoise
      @fortheloveofnoise Год назад

      yep, certain ones, my grandmother's 280zx was analog

  • @SuperBullyone
    @SuperBullyone Год назад +6

    I agree with you that the design of the AP1 is exceptional. I bought an AP1 because the car design is clean and beautiful. Honda hit a home run with the AP1. Not unlike a Triumph TR6 or 1950's Ferrari 250. Most changes Honda made for the AP2 made it look busy like a jukebox or toy. I love my AP1. The AP2 has some mechanical improvements. The transmission in the AP2 is said to be more "smooth" shifting. Carbon fiber synchronizers can be installed in an AP1. The sway bar sizes on the AP2 were made smaller, which is cheap and easy, or don't drive crazy. The retainers and keepers on the AP2 are thicker. The point where the VTEC kicks-in on the AP1 can be adjusted to kick-in at say 4,500 RPM. A reason to consider an S2000 is that Honda still makes and sells OEM parts.

  • @devinmoran59
    @devinmoran59 Год назад +2

    I bought my 2001 with 6900 miles on it last year, i love the thing

  • @93ksj
    @93ksj Год назад +5

    Gorgeous car, I wish they would remake it but without fucking it all up

    • @FinalVibes
      @FinalVibes Год назад +6

      Agreed. Nowadays it would be remade as a crossover or a 4 door lift back…

    • @crazyfool4578
      @crazyfool4578 9 месяцев назад

      @@FinalVibes R.I.P the Eclipse 😭

  • @Soulie81
    @Soulie81 Год назад +4

    I have a 94 civic hatch with a b16a swap. I've owned it for over 20 years and never get tired of revving it out.

  • @richardeijo5958
    @richardeijo5958 Год назад +2

    I’ve had both AP1 and AP2. The first gen is more raw. The 2nd generation is a better car. Everyone focuses on the higher revs in AP1. Not that big of a deal to me.

  • @ellzfromhellz6728
    @ellzfromhellz6728 Год назад

    My car is almost exactly like this one. I even bought it with 138k on the odometer. I love my Invidia exhaust. Pretty good review for being on the short side. I’ve gotta mention that you overlooked the other compartment. I’m not gonna say where it’s at because the less people that know about the better. Cops and thieves will usually overlook it as well.

  • @joequinlan7905
    @joequinlan7905 Год назад +2

    One of the best roadsters ever produced. F1 tech for the regular guy

  • @phongdao9239
    @phongdao9239 Год назад

    It does have a storage. It's like a secret compartment that lifts up from the middle just below the wind deflector. I had a 2002 of which I still regret parting.

  • @3dScience_uk
    @3dScience_uk Год назад

    Nice idea to disxuss about cars in person.
    I would really want to see a video about bmw e88. A timeless convertible.

  • @stevewilson6662
    @stevewilson6662 Год назад +2

    You missed the 16" vs 17" wheel difference, the carpeted tunnel, cup holder, clock in cluster, plastic/glass rear window, seats, radio door. That's all very quickly off the top of my head. You missed the "secret" center console storage. Wondering if you even know about it. The shift knob is different too.
    Now let's talk about "better" in general because it is subjective. So I prefer all of the AP2 facelift designs over AP1. But again, subjective. What you COMPLETELY miss is the actual mechanical differences. The AP2 engine is better overall, just see the forums about things to look out for on an AP1 that are not an issue on the AP2. Such as the retainers, the oil jets, etc. You like the AP1 better because of the 9k rev line. So from a driver's aspect, the AP1 may be "better" for that reason. Here are some of the mechanical reasons the AP2 is actually better. The synchros in the trans are better, the trans case has been stiffened, the diff case has been stiffened. Both of these helps solve quite a few issues the AP1 had in the drive-train. And again, these are just off the top of my head. Somewhere (probably on s2ki) there is a real thorough breakdown of all of the changes. The AP2 is THE better car overall from a mechanical perspective.
    Then you entirely missed the fact that there are different versions of the AP2 as well which come with some slight and not so slight changes. For instance, 2006 up comes with traction control which the AP1 didn't have. Personally, I prefer the AP2v1 which is 04 and 05 model years but 06 up AP2v2 came with drive by wire which some people like. For me, I don't have a preference there.
    My overall point is this is all subjective as to which is "better" and it would have been more useful to make a video simply highlighting all the differences which could include your personal preferences. But since you didn't actually get into the real differences beyond the facelift/looks of the AP1 and AP2, this video is severely lacking.

  • @doof1492
    @doof1492 Год назад

    Lovin the car reviews. No one really goes in depth with the design like u do. 👍 Mk8 gti would be cool.

  • @StormÆLnGoFth
    @StormÆLnGoFth Год назад +1

    actually little less RPM and more torque, most people don’t redline everywhere

  • @bosounagi
    @bosounagi Год назад

    You missed the hidden top storage under the wind deflector behind the seats

  • @gigatron2008
    @gigatron2008 Год назад +1

    Driving both of these and owning one the differences are so minor between the two except resale value. Esp if you can find a mint 08,09 or CR. All have the most uncomfortable seats I've ever experienced.

  • @conroexlexx8267
    @conroexlexx8267 Год назад +1

    Such a timeless design

  • @EmreSnook
    @EmreSnook Год назад +1

    It looks like rear bumper color is incorrect right?

  • @lw_loki
    @lw_loki 5 месяцев назад +1

    Tjat clutch is so high up because that clutch it burnt out lol

  • @wiadran_
    @wiadran_ Год назад

    my second dream car after 1jz toyota chaser jzx100, just beautiful

  • @iMickel
    @iMickel Год назад +4

    AP2 is better in about every way. Only people that haven’t driven them complain about the extra 800 Rpms. And with quick tuning you can rev it out to 85-8700 while having the higher torque numbers

    • @JonHop1
      @JonHop1 Год назад +2

      You can tune the F22C to rev to 9k.. I did upgrade my fuel pump.. I ended up going k24 and it also revs to 9k.. ported 4-piston oil pump. Motor is built tho. Stronger valvetrain too.

    • @iMickel
      @iMickel Год назад

      @@JonHop1 yeah no point in revving it there on the stock motor it stopped making power. With upgraded head it may carry to power to 9 tho

    • @jimmyjames1411
      @jimmyjames1411 8 месяцев назад +1

      Ap2 is refined, AP1 is raw. AP1 all day. I would just change lights

    • @PS3rulls
      @PS3rulls 5 месяцев назад

      ⁠@@jimmyjames1411define raw? Lighter flywheel+steering ratio +no traction control?

  • @lvlupnorrr6937
    @lvlupnorrr6937 Год назад +7

    04-05 best years for an s2000

  • @robgerety
    @robgerety Год назад

    Clarification - the 2003 model year S2k is an ap1. The first ap2 was released in late 2003 as a 2004 model year car.

  • @moefoe81
    @moefoe81 Год назад +1

    The secret compartment is a real thing

  • @modality14
    @modality14 Год назад

    Here's why the ap1 is better than the ap2.....the headlights also The diffuser is part of the bumper it's not a separate piece. Also a few cars in the late 80s had digital clusters

  • @yukonstriker1703
    @yukonstriker1703 6 месяцев назад +1

    Super high clutch isn't factory proper..
    Clutch should engage no more than 4" from release from firewall

  • @Lookbusybuddy
    @Lookbusybuddy Год назад

    Wonder if cars like the alfa duetto will come back. Less angular silhouette no high haunches at the back

  • @VirtualGuth
    @VirtualGuth Год назад +3

    For what it's worth, JDM = Japanese Domestic Market. If the steering wheel is on the left side of the car, it's not JDM. Honda did offer JDM versions of the S2K in both the 2.0L AP1 and 2.2L AP2 versions. (Japan was the only market outside of North America to receive the 2.2L AP2.) Also, automotive designers today could not replicate the S2000 due to the safety regulations they must now contend with. For example, that gorgeous low hood line that you point out definitely wouldn't happen today in a car with the engine up front. This is why the ND Miata looks like it came out of trash compacter from certain angles when compared to the older versions.

  • @husseinalherz8667
    @husseinalherz8667 Год назад +1

    Did they stop producing it?

  • @omgfroobynoobs
    @omgfroobynoobs Год назад +1

    AP2 > AP1 I can't believe people are still trying to debate this. There are plenty of reasons why Honda dropped the AP1

    • @John-b5e3e
      @John-b5e3e 4 месяца назад

      they did not drop the AP1, they were trying to make the car more customer friendly. There are only so many people who want a 1960's or 1970's British sports car that is built correctly. It is like a Triumph, with twice the horsepower.

  • @lotsatrix
    @lotsatrix Год назад +7

    This argument is so ridiculous. Having a car that is capable of reaching 9000 rpms is cool but how often do you actually rev that high? I drove an AP2 every day for almost 10 years and I rarely got above 7000 rpms. And almost every AP1 s2k owner usually makes numerous AP2 changes and upgrades like the slightly bigger tires, the glass rear windows, gearbox, etc, then brag about having an extra 1000 rpms. Silly.

    • @MKorman10
      @MKorman10 Год назад +2

      The AP2 is a better car in most dimensions. Revving to 9K is great, but If i'm driving my AP2 for a half hour i may get to redline twice. The extra RPMs are just a dick measuring contest where you're arguing over a couple millimeters.

  • @sdlausen1
    @sdlausen1 Год назад

    The roof straps aren't working properly on this s2k. The rear bad by the rear window is down. This ruing the roofline a bit with the roof up.

  • @Rob.Coleman
    @Rob.Coleman Год назад

    8:21 who's going to tell him about the secret compartment 😄

  • @nishij3
    @nishij3 Год назад

    foment on the wheels?

  • @S2k_GRsti
    @S2k_GRsti Год назад +3

    I bought my ap1 in 2012 for 8000 😊

  • @NIGBEATS
    @NIGBEATS Год назад +1

    I test drove an AP2 a few years back. It drove so nice, it was awesome. I just wish I actually fit in the damn thing.
    The door armrest was jammed in my left side, the center console was jammed in my right. My knees were jammed up against the underside of the dash and I could only move my feet from the ankle down. My eyes were lined up with the top of the windshield.
    I'm not sure if the top would have closed without hitting my head. Yet the used car sales manager insisted that I would fit the same way in mustang GT and should just go with the S2000... Dirtbag.

    • @Thesketchmonkey
      @Thesketchmonkey  Год назад

      Interesting. I'm about 6'1 and even though it wasn't to roomiest interior, I was still pretty comfortable. Roof up was no problem

    • @InTheZone85
      @InTheZone85 Год назад

      go get yourself some lower seat rails and your problems go away. Or buy yourself a viper since it's just a larger s2000.

  • @PuReGhOsTT
    @PuReGhOsTT Год назад +1

    AP1 LIFE!!!

  • @spikes_johnson
    @spikes_johnson Год назад +1

    He's entered his Doug Demuro phase

  • @chrisdadigger1018
    @chrisdadigger1018 Год назад +4

    Ap1 is the s2000 to have. 02 or 03 is best

  • @nathanielcargile7135
    @nathanielcargile7135 Год назад +1

    Hondas most beautiful car: a toss up between this and the original NSX.

  • @brunosutter
    @brunosutter Год назад

    i spy the snus in your jeans pocket👀

  • @justsomerandomguyman
    @justsomerandomguyman 10 месяцев назад

    AP2 is better. Improved transmission, better engine with more torque that will make more power with forced induction and improved rear suspension.

  • @dmanatan
    @dmanatan Год назад +3

    AP2 is a better car. F22 > F20 and the transmission is better.

  • @INCREDIBULHULK
    @INCREDIBULHULK Год назад +2

    i would love this car as a targa , a real targa

  • @Edison73100
    @Edison73100 Год назад +3

    No its not better.

  • @uzzuzz9320
    @uzzuzz9320 Год назад +2

    The ap1 under 60k miles will be worth 6 figures soon.

    • @darkknight097
      @darkknight097 Год назад

      Only CRs have approached that price range

  • @hellrazor117
    @hellrazor117 2 месяца назад

    AP2 is €9000 AP1 is €20000+
    Is the AP1 worth 2x price?

  • @elimelecduque-colon247
    @elimelecduque-colon247 Год назад

    Ap2 came out in 2004 not 2003, my 03 S2k is a Ap1 model

  • @AndRootPro
    @AndRootPro Год назад

    Yes

  • @lthudgins
    @lthudgins Год назад

    I shoulda bought one when I had the chance 😢

  • @Dcdc956
    @Dcdc956 Год назад +2

    I understand you trying to get views but come on, Ap1 will NEVER be better than the Ap2. Wtf

  • @tigro7175
    @tigro7175 Год назад

    He looks like that British guy from The Boys

  • @simone8477
    @simone8477 Год назад

    Dude, your ap2 is ap1 restyling, ap2 is a 2.2cc Version

  • @joshuamedina8920
    @joshuamedina8920 8 месяцев назад

    AP2 FOR THE WIN

  • @elitef40
    @elitef40 Год назад +2

    Of course it has rpf1s 😂 but hey at least it looks good with them

  • @brick4690
    @brick4690 7 месяцев назад

    I only like the 9k rpm, other then that ap2 all the way

  • @beauwulf
    @beauwulf Год назад +3

    RPM was reduced from 8800 to 8200.

    • @kalmtraveler
      @kalmtraveler Год назад +2

      fuel cutoff is 9000 on the AP1, not 8800

  • @ahmedaliabudorrah4901
    @ahmedaliabudorrah4901 Год назад

    Your not letting the vtec kicking in probably

  • @MrWeirdstudios
    @MrWeirdstudios Год назад +1

    8:04 300Zx hold my beer.....

  • @InTheZone85
    @InTheZone85 Год назад

    ap2, better headlights, better taillights, better factory wheels, better interior amenities, better front bumper
    ap1, better rpms, steering response more sensitive
    your preferences may vary
    And yes you can very much daily drive this car. I did so for several months when I was doing various things to my turbo civic. The stock seats are comfortable, and as long as you don't need to haul lots of people are cargo it's perfect.
    Bought my ap2 almost 12 years ago (May 1st), with around 52,000 miles. Not sure what happened with the previous owner, but I suspect they sold it because of issues. The motor failed on me within months after ownership. Swapped in a motor from a CR, had to swap various components from my stock engine to the new motor so it would run properly with no codes. Car has been perfect ever since and is sitting at 135,000 miles. Because of the swap I had to buy an air pump simulator so I don't throw a code for that (izze engineering) and I have the modifry dci to be able to use the factory dash buttons for my cd player.
    Recently installed a leather + forged carbon fiber steering wheel, has a full aluminum x-line radiator (still need to swap in evans coolant and get away from standard coolant), has a K&N filter, invidia q300 dual exhaust, act lightweight flywheel, act pressure plate (factory clutch disk so there's no clutch buzz), and a moddition black powder coated, weighted anvil shift knob. BC coilovers and swift springs need to go in, but I need to replace the balljoints and potentially some other bushings before I slap on new coilovers.

  • @ayowser01
    @ayowser01 Год назад

    Ap1 rear bumper definitely looks better. Clear ap1 tail and headlights also look really good.

  • @dgdgjasonallen1091
    @dgdgjasonallen1091 Год назад +1

    I LOVE MY AP1!! BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE AP1 VS AP2 IS THIS. THE AP1 IS LIKE YOUR 18 YEAR OLD GIRLFRIEND WHERE YOU HAVE BLAST POUNDING. THE ap2 IS THE WIFE YOU ALWAYS HAVE GOOD TIME WITH

  • @hellgateiscloseddontgother8736
    @hellgateiscloseddontgother8736 Год назад +17

    Ap2 better reason you like ap1 because you got an ap1 lol dont fool yourself.

    • @littlewilly9272
      @littlewilly9272 10 месяцев назад +5

      Who would want a gay ass car that revs 1000 RPM less?

    • @naf2k447
      @naf2k447 6 месяцев назад +5

      Revs to 8k might as well get a si at that point 😂

    • @bdmr_isf
      @bdmr_isf 4 месяца назад

      my corolla t-sport revs higher than your ap2

  • @michaelscurr9046
    @michaelscurr9046 Год назад

    I was in love until I drove one at a dealership.

  • @alainprevost5374
    @alainprevost5374 Год назад

    I havent realized how beautiful and clean the S2K is
    definetly AP1 looks way better
    The rear bumper just needs a bit more definition and it will be inline with the gorgeous front end

  • @cidfacetious3722
    @cidfacetious3722 Год назад

    I’m not gonna listen to a guy who doesn’t even know when the AP2 came out

  • @SuperBullyone
    @SuperBullyone Год назад

    It seems you will need a new clutch, if it is letting out at the top. A tech expert can adjust the engine so that the VTEC power can engage at around 4,500 or 5,000 RPMs rather than 6,000 RPM's The car is really fun, but not as fast.

  • @lw_loki
    @lw_loki Год назад +2

    Let’s talk about how your wrong and every one wants an ap2

  • @BrianMajor
    @BrianMajor Год назад

    As an AP2 owner who has not watched the video entirely. I want to fight you.

  • @droomkoning3266
    @droomkoning3266 Год назад

    Hi

  • @littlewilly9272
    @littlewilly9272 10 месяцев назад

    10:59 I guarantee you didn't get over 7200 RPM. My gay ass D17 2004 civic reved to there regularly. The reason for an AP1 is because it has 1k more than an AP2.

  • @BlissifiedHH
    @BlissifiedHH Год назад +3

    Title is accurate

  • @greenek9
    @greenek9 Год назад +1

    Nissan and prelude had digital clusters before the s2000

  • @Evinrudeeee
    @Evinrudeeee Год назад

    Who puts those rims should be in jail

  • @t-money10
    @t-money10 Год назад +1

    Ap1❤️

  • @mrlong6267
    @mrlong6267 Год назад

    I own and drive a mint 02 s2k and I approve 👍🏻

  • @motacademyTV
    @motacademyTV Год назад

    Mejor seguir presentando los coches como antes...estás perdiendo muchas visualizaciones 🙏

  • @1HeatWalk
    @1HeatWalk Год назад

    AP2 is the better car
    AP1 is the better s2000

  • @tomr3319
    @tomr3319 10 месяцев назад

    AP2 is a better engine - 🙃

  • @MyWolffy
    @MyWolffy Год назад +1

    I just wish Japanese people were fatter and taller so us big Americans could fit comfortably biggest reason I don’t like s2000 I don’t fit and am not comfortable

  • @SuperBullyone
    @SuperBullyone Год назад +1

    AP1 is clean design, better, in my opinion.

  • @LukeHolberg-kw8rr
    @LukeHolberg-kw8rr Год назад

    The greatest rival against the Mazda Miata! But not as cool.

    • @SuperBullyone
      @SuperBullyone Год назад +1

      Miata was taken from the 1980's Ford Festa. It is a rather tiny car, even compared to the S2000, which is still small.

    • @izzoArtistry
      @izzoArtistry Год назад

      Rivals… not as cool… yeah… lol

  • @nooriginalstarries
    @nooriginalstarries Год назад

    Former ap2 owner ap1 all day

  • @williamcricket7931
    @williamcricket7931 Год назад

    Are you trying to give Doug demuro a run for his money?